I just started playing golf again after a 10 year hiatus. I needed more distance over my old irons. I am in my mid 60’s now. I do not like super chunky or a lot of offset. I ended up with the JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro after hitting just about everything. They just checked all the boxes for me. I am very pleased with these irons.
Just bought the Ping G425 last night can't wait to go try them. My handicap is so high right now it's paraplegic just started playing 3 months ago so I hope these help.
@@AskGolfNut I hit the Mizuno JPX 921 HOTMETAL and the G425 and I hit better with those but no fitted in a Simulator or with a custom fitter next to me.
Thanks for the video I was one of the ones that asked for a comparison. I’m a lefty and Mizuno doesn’t give a lot of options this year for left handers. I have the 921 hot metals and really like them. I’ve tried many different irons and always go back to Mizunos. They truly don’t make a bad iron. Ping also makes great irons but they always look too offset and chunky to me for some reason. Thanks again for a great and honest review as always.
Glad you enjoyed the video. As a natural lefty myself but play right handed I can understand the issues that left handers face. It's purely down to the size of the market and the costs involved with making left handed molds. Mizuno and others manufacturers would love to make more of their line-up accessible to left handers but they barely break even with doing it the way they do so any additional models would effectively be cutting into their profits made from the right handed market. Sad I know but I guess that's the price we lefties have always paid living in a right handed world. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Thanks for these videos. Due to lockdown I have watched a lot of videos. I’m a 10 to 12 Hcap and have jumped from thinking of Launcher HB irons to Wilson launch pads to radspeeds etc but the one set that sticks out is the mizuno. The whole package just looks excellent. The driver, fairway wood, hybrids and these irons just look the real deal. And with the mizuno DNA fitting system you mentioned before it really looks like you and get the Perfect combo. AND the choice of shafts/grips available for no upcharge is sensational. AND they are priced better than the other big names! Fantastic stuff. Now I just hope I can hit them!!! Thanks again! Love the videos!
Ping makes amazing forgiving clubs. But at the end of day, you must get fitted to know which clubs are best for your game. I like Ping bc they are so forgiving for my swing and the obnoxious sound is so attractive to my ears. They are loud like ... you know... bedroom noise. Every shot is a good shot. And every good shot is a satisfying feeling. 🤪
I was at Edwin Watts in Jax Fl today and I noticed that they had a ton of used Mizuno irons including several sets of JPX 921 Hot metals. I wonder why so many people are getting rid of these clubs?? My guess is that even though these are Mizuno's Game Improvement irons, they really aren't as forgiving for average golfers as Ping. There was only a couple sets of Ping G410's & G425's and a couple sets of Ping I blades.
I played a combo 919 H/Metal set. My first Mizuno products. I really liked them. I’ just switched to the Ping G425 and I think this is the eighth set of Ping irons I’ve gamed since the i3 blades in or around 2000. These remind me very much of one of my favorite Ping clubs; the i25. I don’t think you can go wrong with either of these irons; both are great. I am very accustomed to the look, sound, and feel of Ping irons and the new 425’s hit all the boxes for me. Age 64 and I play somewhere around a 10-14.
I tried both and chose the Mizuno 921 HM Pro and am very happy with them. I am a 8 handicap and simply hit the Mizuno more consistently than the Pings. I also didn’t like the Ping gouge out in the hosel and the thicker top edge but those features obviously did not affect the strike which was very good as well. As you say, try both.
Hey, just a comment on an older video review. I was looking at the G425, JPX 923 HM and the Ping G430 when I came across this review. You are easily the best reviewer as you explain in detail the difference between clubs without getting lost in all the OEM tech hype. Never show bias and great graphs and also how when doing an X vs X you go between both repeatedly for a fair comparison. Some of the other crazy high subscriber numbers need to take a lesson from your channel. One last thing and hope you don’t mind. I, like yourself and most people I think have a hard time to repeatedly slow down your swing for a comparison. If I try to it’s just as bad as trying to swing as fast as Rory. Just a mess!! BUT…. I have found a channel, 2nd Swing Golf with fitter Thomas Campbell based in Minnesota. He is excellent at adjusting his swing and doing it consistently. So if you have a more average amateur SS, check out some of their videos. He usually only does those type for the true GI irons. Your channel though is now my first go to one. 👍
Hey it's an old comment but wanted to give you an update..... It's comments like yours that made me adjust my reviewing processes to include 70, 80 and 90 mph swing testing and results. This including the new Forgiveness Heat Maps I do have really helped golfer visualise how a club performs. Just wanted to reach out and reach thank you for your constructive feedback 👍
@@AskGolfNut I was only swinging 75mph . Started playing golf during summer and fractured my wrist during fall :-( 35Hcp. Got fitted to 5-GW HM and ES 21 54'W 12Bounce + 59' 8Bounce wedges all with Nippon modus 105 with +0,25". And waiting to try the 5wood when they arrive in Denmark next week :-D All shots with the modus shaft were pure, where all other shafts was hit and miss. Fitting was done with Trackman and Swing DNA tool. Smash factor was all the way up to 1,46 with the 7 Iron ;-D
Great review, just shows how far club development has come on to a point now there is little difference in the tech of this range of game improvement clubs and performance differences are marginal in reality
Every year its pushing limits bit by bit with better metallurgy and design. From one model to the other it would be marginal changes only really realised over a season. It's when you have the 10 year old set (classic average golfer coming in for a Custom Fitting) which sees the monumental improvements depending on swing characteristics and strike tenancies. The equipment is expensive, and doesn't cost any more with it being custom built so I would never understand why someone wouldn't get the best possible option fro their purchase 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
That and many other manufacturers do very good game improvement irons but for me and not just me (most of the independent custom fittings) the slightly softer feel of the Mizunos make some people sway that way. I guess it's the same discussion when it comes to the individual golfers preference for soft or hard golf balls. Most prefer soft, so any manufacturer that produces equipment that performs equal to others yet produce a product that feels softer than most will get the decision. You've done absolutely right with your choice for the performance and your wants, I hope you enjoy them for years to come 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great review and I think Mizuno are the only company who offer graphite shafts at no extra cost and other shaft options and same for grips that’s worth a lot. I’m looking for my next irons and want forgiveness,distance , feel and at a sensible price soon my list.
Definitely get custom fit (the equipment doesn't cost any more being fitted to why not 👍 hopefully fingers crossed you'll fit into other manufacturers stock shaft options so you won't have to choose a brand solely on cost of up charge and be able to give them all a fair test. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut good advice I have the luxury of access to Mizuno, Titleist, Taylormade,Ping, Cobra, and Callaway and we get manufacturers days so should Find something! Many thanks and keep the good reviews.Would love to see Cobra T rails, Wilson Launchpad and Cleveland HB Launcher Turbo hybrid irons as they are the only five star in forgiveness ratings. Interesting only the Taylormade. Sim Max 2 irons could compete according to Today’s golfer tests. Generally I think Cleveland came out on top for hybrid irons from other tests but nobody has tested all three against each other.
Could you explain the meaning of Game Improvement Category. Aren’t all these new irons supposed to improve you game. Why don’t they group these reviews on handicap, like scratch to 5, 5 to10, 10 to 15. I have a golf swing that looks like I play to 5-7 GHIN and a wedge play of a 14 GHIN. ENJOYED your review and I hit the subscribed button
Just need to get my hands on the Cobras as they haven't been something that I've reviewed too much in the past due to their drivers not liking my strike location. But will make efforts this year to branch out 👍
So the outlier released 6 feet more than average, right? For the past 5-7 years, like-lofted Ping irons tends to launch higher with less spin than their competitors. While its convenient to isolate spin rate as a barometer, a better measure is to consider spin rate AND angle of descent. If you consistently hit the CoG then the carry/roll discrepancy disappears. Those of us who are concerned with this are not playing golf for fun, but for money. Only play Ping if performance and resale are important to you. Otherwise make your ego happy. For a minute.
Hi there, the outlier released to 187 yards which is 7 yards or 21 feet longer than the Average. It was also fortunate that it was straight enough to catch the very back edge of the green which took some sting out of it, if it had missed either left or right then the lower descent angle to the average would have meant an even larger kick forward. Also another angle to consider which I didn't in the video mainly to time constraints would be that the outlier spun at 3000 rpm at my speed, put the same miss-hit in a slower singers hands who spins the ball much less just because of their speed and 3000 would turn to 2000 which isn't enough for a ball at a slow launch speed and angle to retain any kind of flight and fall out of the sky then becoming much much shorter than the averages. Basically it's just there as a talking point that you guys need to be aware of when you go to test out equipment, that's all I can try to do as a reviewer is to open people's eyes to possibilities which then you can take to your tests/fittings for a more educated open minded experience. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi Linda under normal conditions of only hitting very few shots during a fitting / testing session I would totally agree. Although with these tests I hit a large dataset with both to show any potential tendencies so any difference in true dispersion trends could be seen. Again though it's such small differences you wouldn't be wrong to pick either. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Excellent vid - I find your reviews the most insightful, and useful, on RUclips. I have picked up that "forgiveness" needs to be positioned against whether one's mishits tend to be heel or toe, and/or high or low. Suspect most mid/high handicappers are not sure which they tend to do - and your reviews will lead them (me) to thinking about this. So thanks for illuminating, data led, "forgiveness". I believe you have said, in the past, that you are (for yourself) shaft agnostic? For me, that is the next big mystery. I have seen some reviews that seem to overturn traditional views on the perceived merits of flex and weight etc. My current irons' graphite shafts were chosen via the Mizuno's Shaft Optimiser (the first version) - and I have simply specified the same shafts for my wedges and utilities. Do you use the Optimiser for your Mizuno fittings? Do you find shafts are a major factor for regular mid/high handicap golfers?
Definitely always use the Swing DNA in all my fittings regardless if it's Mizuno or another manufacturer. Having a measured understanding of physical bend profile cuts unnecessary time during a fitting "finding" the correct shaft and thus gives my client more time to compare iron heads with differing CG locations. Shafts can and do make a huge difference to how a club feels to the golfer handicap or no, but also can have a huge impact on how the individual releases and understands where the face is relative to path. I would only ever fit using every piece of technology available to ensure the client who's paying good money for his equipment, the best possible experience. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Difference seems to be in the strike location on the face - lower on the Mizuno gives you slightly higher spin. Would be interesting to know if this is being caused by the MIzuno's sole preventing the club from digging on the turf as bunch as the Ping's - or is it the increased offset of the Ping. If Mizuno can make a club that doesn't have a large 'crack' sound when you hit it, then Ping should be able to do it as well.
The split in location looks much larger on the foresight comparison screen (still haven't fixed it yet). Their was 5mm difference in vertical strike between both sets and as its an iron its minimal gearing. The Pings as a rule have much larger bounce angles than Mizunos which in effect lower the strike on the Ping with the bounce interfering. But these are such small numbers it's marginal at best 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hopefully you can answer this quick cuz I am about to order, lol. No chance for fitting. Currently gaming Srixon ZX7 with C Taper Lite 110 g shaft in stiff. Great clubs but looking for a bit more forgiveness. REALLY have to focus to hit these consistent. Becomes a bit laborious. Have to choose between the Hot Metal pro with heavier Project X LZ stock black shaft or Hot Metal with it's lighter Nippon Neo shaft. Certainly not as consistent as your ball striking but very similar speed and carry #s. Leaning towards lighter shaft and Hot Metal. (Looks like you were hitting with non stock KBS shaft) Thoughts?
Hi Scott, difficult to answer as it's impossible to give you an idea without knowing more about you, your game and your tenancies in strike. The Hot Metals are marginally more forgiving but its near on impossible to tell the real differences. The Pros with a slightly sturdier bend profile may be better for someone with a faster swing but again without knowing far more about your swing it's a wild stab in the dark. I'd say though on balance if you swing as fast as me then the Pro would be the better option. Trying to get them setup in your correct lie angle though would equally be as important. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut Thanks for getting back to me so soon! Driver SS 105-110. Misses with Srixon ZX7 C Taper Lite are fat and short. Probably losing shaft lean and releasing too early into ground. Great club but off center hits not the greatest. Saw Paige Spirinac who is pro go to non pro version stating she just wanted most forgiving which makes sense to me. Obviously she doesn't have the same swing speed. Was just worried that the Neo would be too light. Looking at your videos on both it seems like you got higher trajectory with only loss of 3 yd average with non pro but you were using a heavier shaft than Neo. If I am going to hit higher with similar distance and better dispersion being a 9 handicap, I would go non pro. My misses are definitely low not high. I'm torn!🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂
I would definitely say that if you knew your delivery dynamics or forcing requirements then it'd make your choice so much easier. If you can go somewhere that's very good and not commission based selling that uses technology then I would definitely look at getting fit. I'd say come to me for a fitting but not sure where you are in the world 😊
Neither really as if I did this test again today the Ping might beat it, or may not. They are so close and also the Hot Metal is Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate high flighted forgiving iron. As said at the start the G425 and HM isn't really a fair comparison, it should be against G710. The HM Pro is a bit more of a fair comparison which is coming very soon. Like for like there maybe...... I've got that and the Forged coming, and without giving the game away the Mizuno hat, Mizuno bag doesn't say Mizuno wins there.... Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
The Hot Metal might be a touch larger but the difference in marginal at best. The Hot Metal Pro is slightly smaller than the G425. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi Philip, the reason I have no efficiency diagram is basically due to not having enough data from the G425 to accurately map the face. Due to UK lockdown the only person to hit this is has been me, where to map it I need multiple data sets from different people hitting it different ways to measure it. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hello Jay trying these 2 sets out at a fitting next week, edging towards the jpx921 hot metal. I will be trying out the jpx fli hi 4, 5 and 6 any comment on these hybrids.
Great for the guys that struggle with strike using hybrids at their normal length. They are designed to give that little extra help with launch and off centre hits due to them having roll and bulge. Definitely test them and compare the 7 irons like for like as generally they will only have 7 irons to test 👍
I have the JPX 800 HD irons which came out at the same time as the 825's. Tested my irons against the 919 and the 921 HM. I dont have any reason for switching! My 800's are a little chunkier and have a little more loft, but I like all that- more forgiving and reassuring. -12 HC
I love the idea of the Ping and all it brings but something about their irons they just don’t suit me. Not sure what it is. I’ll be giving the mizuno and Srixon a go I think when lockdown ends here in Ireland. I’ll hit the pings but just don’t think we fit
I have the HM 921, I think they are aimed at the same people as the Ping 425’s. I don’t think Mizuno do a club that could be compared to the “shovel on a stick 710’s. Just my opinion mate. I’m coming up to 68 now and need the help.
Maybe not no, but the HM is Mizunos largest iron model offering every bit of help that any Mizuno iron can. I think if you were to measure CG location relative to face then those 2 would be the best comparison. The HM Pro would be the better choice to compare...... Video coming soon on that one, let's see which one wins there..... Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut I got fitted yesterday. Tried both and there was nearly no difference but I prefer the feel of the ping. Can’t go wrong with either I think.
Still it was very close and the HM are really Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate launch machine. The HM Pro is a better comparison which CG location relative to the face is more like for like. Review being edited and uploading soon. Let's see who wins that battle... 😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi Jonathon, in the spectrum of postures mine is a bit more bent over than most. Not quite Kegan Bradley (pga tour player) but lightly more than most. Even in my junior days I struggled a little with high handle, toe down delivery. So I naturally developed a slightly more leant over posture that would give me more room for my hands to pass my hips. I'm still 2 degrees Upright from standard but well within the normal specification for my height. Everyone is unique and as such common practices/teachings still have to be personalised to the individual. Well done for noticing though. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi Matthew, being honest I didn't have the two clubs available in 0 lie angle, so for me to keep the comparison as equal as possible I did have them in effective 2 degrees too flat so at least if any discrepancy in dispersion or initial launch direction then it would be equal in both and a true comparison between the two. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the time taken to critique the head data as it is important to show what differences if any between the head technologies. 👍
You cannot take that one bad shot or possible misread at 3000 backspin to explain anything. Essentially these two clubs are exactly the same. And who gives a stuff about the sound or the styling?
Mikey, firstly it's a pattern that I've seen with repeated high strikes so the misread idea is debunked. The spin would be even lower with a slower swing causing a serious drop in distance. This is only meant to show what is good and not about the club in question regardless what it brings up. On the whole apart from the sound (which is subjective) the G425 is a really well performing iron and many will be happy to play them. Secondly when it comes to looks feel and sound, many people care about it, rightly or wrongly. Sometimes it's a major buying criteria that people have when deciding what product to buy... 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for your response. I just meant that the poor reading was so far off the average I would discount it. Feel, I completely agree with. And of course you’re right to say some people do care about looks and sound.... Great review.
Hi Black Birdie Golf, for this reason I always give head data to corroborate any findings. No different I guess if I choose a Callaway hat in a Callaway video or Ping etc etc. Not enough reviews out there that give detailed head data analysis. Without it, anyone could just swing the club faster and hit that club longer than the other. Honest data leads to honest opinions 👍
That's the beauty of having two opposing companies offering similar performance in 2 different ways is that everyone has choice. As many people will adamantly choose one or the other and that's perfectly fine. They both make very good equipment. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
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I just started playing golf again after a 10 year hiatus. I needed more distance over my old irons. I am in my mid 60’s now. I do not like super chunky or a lot of offset. I ended up with the JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro after hitting just about everything. They just checked all the boxes for me. I am very pleased with these irons.
Did you compare the 425 to the pro? And you like the pro more? I am looking at the same clubs
Traded in my Hot Metal 921 irons for Ping 425 irons
Both are great irons was hard to change, can’t go wrong with either.
Very good video thx
Thanks Wayne glad you enjoyed the content 👍
Why did you switch?
I did the same. Regretting it somewhat now. Ping is very forgiving, but the sound and feel of Mizuno is far superior.
Got fitted with 921 hot metals and waiting for them to come in; should be another week and I can’t wait to go try them out before my golf trip to AZ.
Mine 921's arrived 3 days ago, can't wait to get on the range and course again.
Not long now 😊👍
Just bought the Ping G425 last night can't wait to go try them. My handicap is so high right now it's paraplegic just started playing 3 months ago so I hope these help.
Did you get custom fitted for them Jared?
@@AskGolfNut I hit the Mizuno JPX 921 HOTMETAL and the G425 and I hit better with those but no fitted in a Simulator or with a custom fitter next to me.
Thanks for the video I was one of the ones that asked for a comparison. I’m a lefty and Mizuno doesn’t give a lot of options this year for left handers. I have the 921 hot metals and really like them. I’ve tried many different irons and always go back to Mizunos. They truly don’t make a bad iron. Ping also makes great irons but they always look too offset and chunky to me for some reason. Thanks again for a great and honest review as always.
Glad you enjoyed the video. As a natural lefty myself but play right handed I can understand the issues that left handers face. It's purely down to the size of the market and the costs involved with making left handed molds. Mizuno and others manufacturers would love to make more of their line-up accessible to left handers but they barely break even with doing it the way they do so any additional models would effectively be cutting into their profits made from the right handed market.
Sad I know but I guess that's the price we lefties have always paid living in a right handed world.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
This is the video I've been wanting to see! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! 👍
Really excited about these JPX 921 Hot Metal Irons.
Picked them up in December and they are the best clubs I've ever played with. Absolutely love them.
Thanks for these videos. Due to lockdown I have watched a lot of videos. I’m a 10 to 12 Hcap and have jumped from thinking of Launcher HB irons to Wilson launch pads to radspeeds etc but the one set that sticks out is the mizuno. The whole package just looks excellent. The driver, fairway wood, hybrids and these irons just look the real deal. And with the mizuno DNA fitting system you mentioned before it really looks like you and get the Perfect combo. AND the choice of shafts/grips available for no upcharge is sensational. AND they are priced better than the other big names! Fantastic stuff. Now I just hope I can hit them!!! Thanks again! Love the videos!
great video with lots of data and a great explanation too👍
Glad you liked it! 👍
Ping makes amazing forgiving clubs. But at the end of day, you must get fitted to know which clubs are best for your game. I like Ping bc they are so forgiving for my swing and the obnoxious sound is so attractive to my ears. They are loud like ... you know... bedroom noise. Every shot is a good shot. And every good shot is a satisfying feeling. 🤪
I was at Edwin Watts in Jax Fl today and I noticed that they had a ton of used Mizuno irons including several sets of JPX 921 Hot metals. I wonder why so many people are getting rid of these clubs?? My guess is that even though these are Mizuno's Game Improvement irons, they really aren't as forgiving for average golfers as Ping. There was only a couple sets of Ping G410's & G425's and a couple sets of Ping I blades.
I played a combo 919 H/Metal set. My first Mizuno products. I really liked them.
I’ just switched to the Ping G425 and I think this is the eighth set of Ping irons I’ve gamed since the i3 blades in or around 2000. These remind me very much of one of my favorite Ping clubs; the i25.
I don’t think you can go wrong with either of these irons; both are great. I am very accustomed to the look, sound, and feel of Ping irons and the new 425’s hit all the boxes for me. Age 64 and I play somewhere around a 10-14.
Excellent comparison as usual 💪🙏. I agree with Ping having heavy heads. That’s why their stock iron shaft is an AMT and counter balanced in woods.
Great point, and back further the CBS as a stock wallpaper option.....
I have the mizunos but the new g430s are unreal.. hit them at the shop and wow! Definitely feels better than the 425
I tried both and chose the Mizuno 921 HM Pro and am very happy with them. I am a 8 handicap and simply hit the Mizuno more consistently than the Pings. I also didn’t like the Ping gouge out in the hosel and the thicker top edge but those features obviously did not affect the strike which was very good as well. As you say, try both.
Hey, just a comment on an older video review. I was looking at the G425, JPX 923 HM and the Ping G430 when I came across this review. You are easily the best reviewer as you explain in detail the difference between clubs without getting lost in all the OEM tech hype. Never show bias and great graphs and also how when doing an X vs X you go between both repeatedly for a fair comparison. Some of the other crazy high subscriber numbers need to take a lesson from your channel. One last thing and hope you don’t mind. I, like yourself and most people I think have a hard time to repeatedly slow down your swing for a comparison. If I try to it’s just as bad as trying to swing as fast as Rory. Just a mess!! BUT…. I have found a channel, 2nd Swing Golf with fitter Thomas Campbell based in Minnesota. He is excellent at adjusting his swing and doing it consistently. So if you have a more average amateur SS, check out some of their videos. He usually only does those type for the true GI irons. Your channel though is now my first go to one. 👍
Hey it's an old comment but wanted to give you an update..... It's comments like yours that made me adjust my reviewing processes to include 70, 80 and 90 mph swing testing and results. This including the new Forgiveness Heat Maps I do have really helped golfer visualise how a club performs.
Just wanted to reach out and reach thank you for your constructive feedback 👍
Great review, going to get fit tomorrow. Need JPX irons, been playing old Ping irons, but the Mizuno' are more appealing to my eye.
Let me know how you got on with your fitting, let me know your swing dna numbers and what you ended up with 👍
@@AskGolfNut I was only swinging 75mph . Started playing golf during summer and fractured my wrist during fall :-( 35Hcp. Got fitted to 5-GW HM and ES 21 54'W 12Bounce + 59' 8Bounce wedges all with Nippon modus 105 with +0,25". And waiting to try the 5wood when they arrive in Denmark next week :-D All shots with the modus shaft were pure, where all other shafts was hit and miss. Fitting was done with Trackman and Swing DNA tool. Smash factor was all the way up to 1,46 with the 7 Iron ;-D
Great review, agree on your points about the looks and feel
Glad you liked the video, thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
Great review, just shows how far club development has come on to a point now there is little difference in the tech of this range of game improvement clubs and performance differences are marginal in reality
Every year its pushing limits bit by bit with better metallurgy and design. From one model to the other it would be marginal changes only really realised over a season. It's when you have the 10 year old set (classic average golfer coming in for a Custom Fitting) which sees the monumental improvements depending on swing characteristics and strike tenancies.
The equipment is expensive, and doesn't cost any more with it being custom built so I would never understand why someone wouldn't get the best possible option fro their purchase 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
As always Jay, an informative comprehensive review.👍
Thanks Roy appreciate the kind feedback.
Thanks
I bought the 921 Hot metal and for a high handicapper they suit with forgiveness.
That and many other manufacturers do very good game improvement irons but for me and not just me (most of the independent custom fittings) the slightly softer feel of the Mizunos make some people sway that way. I guess it's the same discussion when it comes to the individual golfers preference for soft or hard golf balls. Most prefer soft, so any manufacturer that produces equipment that performs equal to others yet produce a product that feels softer than most will get the decision.
You've done absolutely right with your choice for the performance and your wants, I hope you enjoy them for years to come 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I got the 921 forged over the hot metal ,the hot metal was so easy to hit but not as soft but great clubs ,I got steel fibre shafts fitted ,thanks
Great review and I think Mizuno are the only company who offer graphite shafts at no extra cost and other shaft options and same for grips that’s worth a lot. I’m looking for my next irons and want forgiveness,distance , feel and at a sensible price soon my list.
Definitely get custom fit (the equipment doesn't cost any more being fitted to why not 👍 hopefully fingers crossed you'll fit into other manufacturers stock shaft options so you won't have to choose a brand solely on cost of up charge and be able to give them all a fair test.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut good advice I have the luxury of access to Mizuno, Titleist, Taylormade,Ping, Cobra, and Callaway and we get manufacturers days so should
Find something! Many thanks and keep the good reviews.Would love to see Cobra T rails, Wilson Launchpad and Cleveland HB Launcher Turbo hybrid irons as they are the only five star in forgiveness ratings. Interesting only the Taylormade. Sim Max 2 irons could compete according to Today’s golfer tests.
Generally I think Cleveland came out on top for hybrid irons from other tests but nobody has tested all three against each other.
Could you compare the Hot Metal Pro with the Wilson D7 forged Please
Love your videos. Another great review.
Thanks John, appreciate the kind feedback 👍
Could you explain the meaning of Game Improvement Category. Aren’t all these new irons supposed to improve you game. Why don’t they group these reviews on handicap, like scratch to 5, 5 to10, 10 to 15. I have a golf swing that looks like I play to 5-7 GHIN and a wedge play of a 14 GHIN.
ENJOYED your review and I hit the subscribed button
Please compare JPX921 Hot Metal to the Cobra Radspeed irons. Thanks
These are great!
Just need to get my hands on the Cobras as they haven't been something that I've reviewed too much in the past due to their drivers not liking my strike location. But will make efforts this year to branch out 👍
So the outlier released 6 feet more than average, right? For the past 5-7 years, like-lofted Ping irons tends to launch higher with less spin than their competitors. While its convenient to isolate spin rate as a barometer, a better measure is to consider spin rate AND angle of descent. If you consistently hit the CoG then the carry/roll discrepancy disappears. Those of us who are concerned with this are not playing golf for fun, but for money. Only play Ping if performance and resale are important to you. Otherwise make your ego happy. For a minute.
Hi there, the outlier released to 187 yards which is 7 yards or 21 feet longer than the Average. It was also fortunate that it was straight enough to catch the very back edge of the green which took some sting out of it, if it had missed either left or right then the lower descent angle to the average would have meant an even larger kick forward. Also another angle to consider which I didn't in the video mainly to time constraints would be that the outlier spun at 3000 rpm at my speed, put the same miss-hit in a slower singers hands who spins the ball much less just because of their speed and 3000 would turn to 2000 which isn't enough for a ball at a slow launch speed and angle to retain any kind of flight and fall out of the sky then becoming much much shorter than the averages. Basically it's just there as a talking point that you guys need to be aware of when you go to test out equipment, that's all I can try to do as a reviewer is to open people's eyes to possibilities which then you can take to your tests/fittings for a more educated open minded experience.
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So your saying Mizuno has no resale value ? Seriously , have played both , Mizuno by and far !!!!
@@AskGolfNut weird that it flew so much lower as well, despite the high(ish) launch?
One observation. The dispersion ring is probably from one shot. So for me the dispersion is the one test that is easily flawed.
Hi Linda under normal conditions of only hitting very few shots during a fitting / testing session I would totally agree. Although with these tests I hit a large dataset with both to show any potential tendencies so any difference in true dispersion trends could be seen. Again though it's such small differences you wouldn't be wrong to pick either.
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Love all this data! thanks I think i will cross off the ping 425 off my list now
You never know until you give them a try, they may work amazingly well for you 🤷♂️🤔👍
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@@AskGolfNut For me it was the sound and the softer feel i will be looking at
Can you please compare the JPX 921 Hot Metal series to the new Titleist T100, T200, and T300.
Thanks
Excellent vid - I find your reviews the most insightful, and useful, on RUclips.
I have picked up that "forgiveness" needs to be positioned against whether one's mishits tend to be heel or toe, and/or high or low. Suspect most mid/high handicappers are not sure which they tend to do - and your reviews will lead them (me) to thinking about this.
So thanks for illuminating, data led, "forgiveness".
I believe you have said, in the past, that you are (for yourself) shaft agnostic? For me, that is the next big mystery. I have seen some reviews that seem to overturn traditional views on the perceived merits of flex and weight etc. My current irons' graphite shafts were chosen via the Mizuno's Shaft Optimiser (the first version) - and I have simply specified the same shafts for my wedges and utilities. Do you use the Optimiser for your Mizuno fittings? Do you find shafts are a major factor for regular mid/high handicap golfers?
Definitely always use the Swing DNA in all my fittings regardless if it's Mizuno or another manufacturer. Having a measured understanding of physical bend profile cuts unnecessary time during a fitting "finding" the correct shaft and thus gives my client more time to compare iron heads with differing CG locations. Shafts can and do make a huge difference to how a club feels to the golfer handicap or no, but also can have a huge impact on how the individual releases and understands where the face is relative to path.
I would only ever fit using every piece of technology available to ensure the client who's paying good money for his equipment, the best possible experience.
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Difference seems to be in the strike location on the face - lower on the Mizuno gives you slightly higher spin. Would be interesting to know if this is being caused by the MIzuno's sole preventing the club from digging on the turf as bunch as the Ping's - or is it the increased offset of the Ping. If Mizuno can make a club that doesn't have a large 'crack' sound when you hit it, then Ping should be able to do it as well.
The split in location looks much larger on the foresight comparison screen (still haven't fixed it yet). Their was 5mm difference in vertical strike between both sets and as its an iron its minimal gearing. The Pings as a rule have much larger bounce angles than Mizunos which in effect lower the strike on the Ping with the bounce interfering. But these are such small numbers it's marginal at best 👍
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When you compared ping 425 vs. Mizuno 921hm did you also compare 921 hm pro? What would the difference be between the ping 425 against 921 hm pro?
Hi Jim, now doing the editing on that very video 👍 out soon 👍
@@AskGolfNut was going to request that very comparison
Hopefully you can answer this quick cuz I am about to order, lol. No chance for fitting. Currently gaming Srixon ZX7 with C Taper Lite 110 g shaft in stiff. Great clubs but looking for a bit more forgiveness. REALLY have to focus to hit these consistent. Becomes a bit laborious. Have to choose between the Hot Metal pro with heavier Project X LZ stock black shaft or Hot Metal with it's lighter Nippon Neo shaft. Certainly not as consistent as your ball striking but very similar speed and carry #s. Leaning towards lighter shaft and Hot Metal. (Looks like you were hitting with non stock KBS shaft) Thoughts?
Hi Scott, difficult to answer as it's impossible to give you an idea without knowing more about you, your game and your tenancies in strike. The Hot Metals are marginally more forgiving but its near on impossible to tell the real differences. The Pros with a slightly sturdier bend profile may be better for someone with a faster swing but again without knowing far more about your swing it's a wild stab in the dark.
I'd say though on balance if you swing as fast as me then the Pro would be the better option. Trying to get them setup in your correct lie angle though would equally be as important.
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@@AskGolfNut Thanks for getting back to me so soon! Driver SS 105-110. Misses with Srixon ZX7 C Taper Lite are fat and short. Probably losing shaft lean and releasing too early into ground. Great club but off center hits not the greatest. Saw Paige Spirinac who is pro go to non pro version stating she just wanted most forgiving which makes sense to me. Obviously she doesn't have the same swing speed. Was just worried that the Neo would be too light. Looking at your videos on both it seems like you got higher trajectory with only loss of 3 yd average with non pro but you were using a heavier shaft than Neo. If I am going to hit higher with similar distance and better dispersion being a 9 handicap, I would go non pro. My misses are definitely low not high. I'm torn!🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂
I would definitely say that if you knew your delivery dynamics or forcing requirements then it'd make your choice so much easier. If you can go somewhere that's very good and not commission based selling that uses technology then I would definitely look at getting fit.
I'd say come to me for a fitting but not sure where you are in the world 😊
@@AskGolfNut I appreciate it. I ordered the non pro. Will let you know!👊👊
Mizuno hat, Mizuno bag...I wonder which one wins...?
Neither really as if I did this test again today the Ping might beat it, or may not. They are so close and also the Hot Metal is Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate high flighted forgiving iron. As said at the start the G425 and HM isn't really a fair comparison, it should be against G710. The HM Pro is a bit more of a fair comparison which is coming very soon. Like for like there maybe...... I've got that and the Forged coming, and without giving the game away the Mizuno hat, Mizuno bag doesn't say Mizuno wins there....
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Is there any difference in head or blade size between the two?
The Hot Metal might be a touch larger but the difference in marginal at best. The Hot Metal Pro is slightly smaller than the G425.
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@@AskGolfNut thanks for the reply 👌
Aim to please 😊
Can you review takomo irons?
I have reached out to them. Now awaiting a reply 👍
Would love to see the comparison mizuno jpx 921hot metal vs Callaway b21's.
Hello Jay,
Been looking at Mizuno HMpro fitting, I live close enough, how can we arrange a fitting and compare with other clubs, ie Srixon ZX4
Hi Wayne, can you direct message me askgolfnut@gmail.com 👍
I ama JPX921 man and couldn't be happier.
No need to change if its not broken 👍
Keep the content up -LionWoods
Glad you liked the content 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for fast reply
Why no clubface efficiency diagrams in this comparison? I find them very helpful
Hi Philip, the reason I have no efficiency diagram is basically due to not having enough data from the G425 to accurately map the face. Due to UK lockdown the only person to hit this is has been me, where to map it I need multiple data sets from different people hitting it different ways to measure it.
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@@AskGolfNut Thanks for the reply.
This guy is a good ball striker wow.
I have my days 😊 but also some absolute shockers 😊
Hello Jay trying these 2 sets out at a fitting next week, edging towards the jpx921 hot metal. I will be trying out the jpx fli hi 4, 5 and 6 any comment on these hybrids.
Great for the guys that struggle with strike using hybrids at their normal length. They are designed to give that little extra help with launch and off centre hits due to them having roll and bulge.
Definitely test them and compare the 7 irons like for like as generally they will only have 7 irons to test 👍
Do you run a regular or stiff shaft?
Hi Sae, in my own setup or just within this test?
What shaft did you use for the Mizuno?
I have the JPX 800 HD irons which came out at the same time as the 825's. Tested my irons against the 919 and the 921 HM. I dont have any reason for switching! My 800's are a little chunkier and have a little more loft, but I like all that- more forgiving and reassuring. -12 HC
I love the idea of the Ping and all it brings but something about their irons they just don’t suit me. Not sure what it is. I’ll be giving the mizuno and Srixon a go I think when lockdown ends here in Ireland. I’ll hit the pings but just don’t think we fit
Where have I seen this dude before
Did you ever work out where? 😊
Is there a major difference between the jpx921 hot metal vs the jpx919?
I have the HM 921, I think they are aimed at the same people as the Ping 425’s. I don’t think Mizuno do a club that could be compared to the “shovel on a stick 710’s. Just my opinion mate. I’m coming up to 68 now and need the help.
"shovel on a stick" probably my favourite funny comment this month 😀
I agree the 710’s look horrifically large to me also not even close to the size of the 921’s
Maybe not no, but the HM is Mizunos largest iron model offering every bit of help that any Mizuno iron can. I think if you were to measure CG location relative to face then those 2 would be the best comparison. The HM Pro would be the better choice to compare...... Video coming soon on that one, let's see which one wins there.....
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These are the 2 I’m looking at
Which way do you think you'll go.......
@@AskGolfNut I got fitted yesterday. Tried both and there was nearly no difference but I prefer the feel of the ping. Can’t go wrong with either I think.
Very true, glad you enjoyed and found what you wanted 👍
@@AskGolfNut thank you, another factor was mizuno is 5-6 week wait and ping is only 2-3 weeks...
That's a very sad but true statement in some cases. Where in the world do you live?
Jpx wins! Says the man in the jpx hat. (Joking). I've got jpx 900s. They really are great.
Still it was very close and the HM are really Mizuno’s answer to the G710 which is Pings ultimate launch machine. The HM Pro is a better comparison which CG location relative to the face is more like for like. Review being edited and uploading soon. Let's see who wins that battle... 😊
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I noticed your hands/the handle are very low at address, I've never tried this. Is this more comfortable for you?
Hi Jonathon, in the spectrum of postures mine is a bit more bent over than most. Not quite Kegan Bradley (pga tour player) but lightly more than most. Even in my junior days I struggled a little with high handle, toe down delivery. So I naturally developed a slightly more leant over posture that would give me more room for my hands to pass my hips. I'm still 2 degrees Upright from standard but well within the normal specification for my height.
Everyone is unique and as such common practices/teachings still have to be personalised to the individual. Well done for noticing though.
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love these golf clubs, just sent you an email with a couple questions on them
Haven't received anything as yet.... 👍
All of your data shows your lie is toe down by a couple of degrees, more upright lie angle on future sets?
Hi Matthew, being honest I didn't have the two clubs available in 0 lie angle, so for me to keep the comparison as equal as possible I did have them in effective 2 degrees too flat so at least if any discrepancy in dispersion or initial launch direction then it would be equal in both and a true comparison between the two.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the time taken to critique the head data as it is important to show what differences if any between the head technologies. 👍
You cannot take that one bad shot or possible misread at 3000 backspin to explain anything. Essentially these two clubs are exactly the same. And who gives a stuff about the sound or the styling?
Mikey, firstly it's a pattern that I've seen with repeated high strikes so the misread idea is debunked. The spin would be even lower with a slower swing causing a serious drop in distance. This is only meant to show what is good and not about the club in question regardless what it brings up. On the whole apart from the sound (which is subjective) the G425 is a really well performing iron and many will be happy to play them.
Secondly when it comes to looks feel and sound, many people care about it, rightly or wrongly. Sometimes it's a major buying criteria that people have when deciding what product to buy... 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for your response. I just meant that the poor reading was so far off the average I would discount it. Feel, I completely agree with. And of course you’re right to say some people do care about looks and sound.... Great review.
when are you going to do a G425 against the jpx921 forged
Already done Nigel, just needs the editing done 👍
Good on the homework.
They always say you should revise before a test 😀
I just got fitted for the 921 hot metals. They blown the Pings away. No comparison.
sounds bias since your wearing that mizuno hat
Hi Black Birdie Golf, for this reason I always give head data to corroborate any findings. No different I guess if I choose a Callaway hat in a Callaway video or Ping etc etc. Not enough reviews out there that give detailed head data analysis. Without it, anyone could just swing the club faster and hit that club longer than the other. Honest data leads to honest opinions 👍
Ping over mizuno ...all day
That's the beauty of having two opposing companies offering similar performance in 2 different ways is that everyone has choice. As many people will adamantly choose one or the other and that's perfectly fine. They both make very good equipment.
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