NIO Power | 150 kWh Solid State Battery Real Range Test | A Complete User Road Trip
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Complete Range Test of NIO 150 kWh Solid State Battery in my 2 days road trip.
Intro./Fundamentals
1. Solid State.............................…00:25
2. WeLion Company…..................01:27
3. NIO’s Determination................02:03
4. Range….....................................04:13
5. Weight, Size, Power Density....05:17
6. Price & Amount.....................…06:35
7. Official Battery Test…..............07:32
First Day Road Test Aug 11
1. Battery Reservation…...............09:29
2. 150kWh Battery Swap...........…16:48
3. Mid-term Rest….........................23:34
4. Arrival and Data Review.......…..25:48
Second Day Road Test Aug 12
1.Departure with 100% charged...30:51
2. Mid-term Rest.........................…35:35
3. Battery Return Reservation….....42:11
4. Arrival and Battery Return….......45:47
5. Data Review................................46:57
Final Data Summary…......53:10
I decide to do another test for this 150 battery in a flat terrain with no rainy weather in order to eliminate the negative impacts on the range.
It'll be a round trip with 2 proportions: 1) most efficiency test and 2) stressed test (cruising over 130Kph).
Stay tuned, and let me know if there is anything I'd be aware.
Sounds like a plan. I guess that the stressed test would result in 25% to 30% less range than Eco mode.. let's see 🙂
@@GTI_CHHA Let's see haha, I hope I won't get pulled over🤫
Thank you for making the video. It was great👍
891.4km at highway speeds driving normally is mind blowing! :O You should not be disappointed. This is a world record.
I think the main reason you «only» get 891.4km(!), is because you cruise at 110km/h. You can slow down to 90 km/h and easily get 1000km+, but I think it is better to go fast, and stop 10 minutes to charge. Driving faster will almost always get you to the destination faster, even if it leads to more charging stops and less range.
@@jonass4807 I am glad you liked the content.😄 That's the reason why I am thinking about doing another efficiency test, the most efficient speed for range would be 80 something based on my daily experience. I am also thinking about a most stressed test and the charging speed test during the new trip.
@@ransyoutube Ok. Subscribed! :)
150KWH on a sedan is HUGE breakthrough!
Now I am looking forward to seeing any other solid state volume battery and their performance.
@@ransyoutube how much does it weigh?
@@sinenomine4540 It's 575 Kg, you can check the details 5:18 in the content.
@@sinenomine4540 he mentions in the video that doubling his 75kwh => 150kwh only added 40kg in weight. which is insane!!
@@suvann540i that's not true it's 150 kg more
That was very impressive and proving that this now compares 100% in range with an efficient ICE car. Your English is very good, making this video easy to follow for us Westerners.
It's a shame that the Chinese and Western Governments are headbutting instead of working together, so that we "all" could benefit no matter where there are breakthroughs that improve our lives.
Thank you for your support, I am glad this vid could help : ) Sadly the world is in the hands of the few, not all, it always has been this way. The purpose of this channel is to share as I saw many media twisted facts with intentions.
@@ransyoutube We in Australia don't have a gov't that want's to put massive tariffs on Chinese EV imports, we have an expanding EV market with Chinese brands like BYD, MG being very popular, XPeng G9 will arrive next year and NIO is also starting up in Australia in 2025, bring it on I say, the Chinese vehicles are much more advanced than those from traditional manufacturers.
Ran, thank you for the incredible effort on this NIO video. It’s so important for people to fully understand NIO’s work and uniqueness
Thank you for the support and the whole NIO gang in tweeter so that my content is well exposed. Much appreciated🙏🏼
I love the idea of borrowing a higher spec battery. I would totally be fine with a small/modest 58kwh and then swapping it out for road trips.
That's the idea and where everything began. The message I also would like to deliver to people is that this mode could actually be cheaper, under a longer term usage.
NIO has standardized and 'simplified' their battery portfolio to be more cost efficienct The smallest is the 75kWh, 100kWh and now this solid state 150kWh. The cool thing about these is, all NIO models can make use of them, no matter the small ET5 or the biggest ES8... cheers
sounds incovenient. EVs are not good for long journeys and unless there is significant improvement in energy storage they will never be good.
@@sinenomine4540you're literally commenting on a video on significant battery advances
@@sinenomine4540 Have you actually watched the video? 900+ km real life range
That was very well edited, and you explained everything so well. The range of the Nio is very impressive. China's progress with electric cars, and facilitating their use has come so far. The roads in China have improved so much over the years too. The last time I was in Sichuan was probably back in 1996, so you can only imagine the improvements.
Thank you very much for your support. I surely understand you as my generation is the one that witness all the progress. Especially the safety and hygiene part are severely improved over the years. You are more than welcome to come back to visit any time.
This was a fantastic video. Currently, it's a good time to buy NIO shares. Only 7.5% more weight while having 100% more capacity is a big leap forward.
I like Nomi's little hat to protect him from the sun , this video is amazing to watch how far western countries are behind China, I think swapping batteries is the preferable option rather than charging every time, it just makes much more sense to swap, very smart of NIO to allow older cars to take advantage of new technology as it comes out by simply swapping to a new version.
Fantastic video, that breakfast looked amazing. Amazing battery tech, as others have said the 300 mile range at half the weight will be a winner.
Looking forward to the day when solid-state batteries are fully promoted.
They can't make the batteries half the weight. The existing cars are engineered with a certain battery weight that must be kept equal across batteries. If the battery gets heavier, the car looses that weight in cargo capacity, which is tolerable within a small margin. But if the battery gets lighter, the suspension and other components no longer work within design spécifications. That would be life threatening dangerous. Thus no shorter range, 1/2 weight batteries for NIO. At least not with existing cars.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 Thank you for binging up this is a rather new info for me, I'll keep that in doubt for now. Overall NIO is entering NT3.0 gen with new cars coming out 2025. As a NT2.0 user, I surely care about the feasibility of using lighter battery for longer range. I'll consult about this.
Awesome video Ran. Thank you for doing the journey, the social experiment and sharing it with the world. The option to upgrade for long journey like this is priceless. And you carrying your plant with you so that they stay alive is unexpected and funny 😂 I have learnt quite a number of things ... the battery, the car, China highways, hotels and more... thank you, take care and god bless!
Thank you very much Jenny, as always. I am very glad you enjoyed. 😆
Thank you very much Ran. Great Work! From a Nio-Fan :)
Not a problem, thank you for your time too. 😃
Great video!
Showing how to order the swap...the driving...the cure Nomi and the fantastic scenery of China ❤
Perfect English with subtitles
Well done!
Thank you for your time spent here watching my content, I am glad you liked it.😆
Now this makes the swappable battery on their cars look like an absolute genius move on Nio’s part.
Sounds great for the odd occasion such as a week or two on holiday where you might want more range and drive longer distances. Rent a bigger battery rather than a different car for that time then swap back to a regular battery size once you are back. So many use cases.
This is the message that I'm trying to deliver the whole time, that for a longer term usage, having a swappable EV could be more economic/convenient than an EV with a fixed battery. I am glad that you get the idea instantly.
Wow….Beautiful video. Congratulations for having expressed each topic with great care and precision. Thank you🙏
Really enjoyed that you shared the rest stops, hotel, and conversations with some people. Love the underlying story about the abilities of the big battery and the swapping.
Thank you! hope you could try out that battery swap someday soon!😄
Brother Ran, this is one of the best RUclips videos of 2024! Thanks for taking so much effort to cover all areas from the battery manufacturer, backgrounds all the way to the real life testing. I really liked that you show the 'booking process' in the NIO app. Although I cannot read Mandarin, I can follow it perfectly (I am familar thanks to my ES6, named EL6 in Germany). The 150kWh battery is a very exciting proposition, although many companies are talking about solid state batteries, only NIO has actually pulled it off and made it available to the public. Hope that NIO will eventually offer it in Europe. I would like to use it during long road trips in Europe. Keep up the good work 🙂
By the way, same as you I use the 75kWh pack, it's most cost effective since the effective (net) capacity is ~73kWh (169 euro/month), whereas the so-called 100kWh has a net capacity of 'only' 90kWh (289 euro). I see no point in paying 120 euro/month extra for only 17kWh additional range (~80km for an EL6).
Thank you for your support as always. And I can feel that you must be enjoying a lot your EL6😆. I was blown away by the price difference you mentioned regarding the 100 kWh, I guess it might be something with the tax, import and market demand as well. Indeed there is no need to get that 100 for daily use. Hope you could enjoy the 150 battery soon, it'll be a completely different experience.
Germans will love it. Fast Autobahn driving empties your battery in no time. Therefor a 150kWh would be practical there.
The same battery in 75 kW would be more interesting. It would weigh less and still have largely enough range, would put less strain on other components that currently need to be oversized.
Correct. That's the sweetness of solid state. I've talked with a NIO Power engineer and he disclosed that this would be the direction of new battery. Thinner, lighter battery and gives you enough range. And solid state would have other benefits, for instance the safety control as many people might have ingnored.
@@ransyoutube I'm not that sure about one point about all this. It seems that all NIO batteries have the same dimensions (obviously to be swapped) but also the same weight (you wouldn't want the car to suddenly behave differently).
Is that the case ? That would mean that the batteries would never become lighter (unless they introduce some battery compatibility in swap stations which would prevent some swaps from happening).
@@johngonon1507 maybe smaller batteries have some dead weight added... but yeah I am not sure how swapping could work... maybe the weight discrepany is not that huge of an issue if the swapping robot can position the smaller battery more in the middle of floor?
@@lkrnpk Maybe keeping the same balance between front-rear/left-right would be enough.
@@johngonon1507 This is very interesting but definitely beyond my poor knowledge of engineering, I'll ask about this if I had the chance. I only knew that the new power stations would be having the capacity of managing different size and weight of batteries, for different brands' usage. One engineer disclosed to me that the hard part is to communicate efficiently with other manufactuers who intended to join the swap alliance. Having and managing complete different batteries made only by NIO is not a dillema, any problems solved by their own team is a lot easier over working with other people or company.
Thank you for this video, not much content of this quality on the internet!
Interesting video. I'm in Canada and watching this I can say we're so behind China in Electric cars. I was impressed with the battery change procedure. That blew me away considering the weight of that battery. I love seeing the countryside in your country. Looking forward to more videos.
Thank you for the like, I'll keep it up.😄
The 150kwh battery you got was at 93% charged so it would not have a range over 1000km. NIO would not overrate the battery. It would also be different between eco and performance mode. Remember that Li Bin was also test driving the car with 2 people in the car.
Indeed. NIO was famous in domestic China with its "conservative" method of marketing in terms of the specs, quite opposite with almost all other competitors who are eager to reveal the best they have. Having 4 people during any test was the standard protocol of NIO, that's why people feel their cars are always faster than the claimed capacity.
Talking about speed, there were people able to achieve 3.1sec instead of 3.7sec advertised for 0-100 in the ET5 so yeah, NIO cars are rated at real use conditions so never overrated.
@@anvoong2510 I believe I never tried that acceleration fully as I am not really into this 0-100 test, that instant burst to me is not a every day must. The default Sport mode is the most balanced mode I've tried so far to me, I personally even prefer the handling of ET5 over other larger vehicles like ET7 or ES8, but when you cruise mostly via NOP+, larger vehicles with air suspension would surely be more comfortable.
Totally agreed, that’s why NIO primary focus is not on acceleration but real performances.
Man, these guys are living in the future 👍
Veeeeeey interesting video. Thank you so much for your efforts. I'll share this vid to my friends.
Glad you enjoyed, I’ll keep it up😆
The most impressive thing for me was that voice assistant. So impressive !
Haha yes it’s very fun and sometimes even naughty😆
@@ransyoutube I hope that you will make these "trip" videos more often 😊
@@adambenk0 Thank you, will do!
Of course what you did wrong is driving in sports mode. A electric vehicle which powers 4 wheels has so much more power consumption. At 80 km/h you don't need the "safety" four wheel drive.
By the way very good relaxed Video, gave it a like with all of my three accounts 😂
Astonishing. Not just the battery but the battery swap as required process.
Thank you for your time spent here watching my vid, I am glad you've enjoyed😆
Excellent video, thanks very much. Not just for the car/battery test, but also the look at the culture and beautiful scenery. It's going to be an interesting race between battery capacity and battery charge speeds. Some of the newer ultra high speed chargers are going to deliver ridiculously fast charging in 10 mins or so, which may well take away the benefit of super large capacity or swapping? I personally feel that a battery that gives 650 kms range as standard, but charges to 80% in 10 mins will be game over for most people's usage?
Thank you for bringing up the comment. The promoted super ultra charging practice is too ideal to realize for now. I've shared a content regarding this "rival" that most people would misunderstood, hope you could dig some new info out of it. The very essetial thing is that all swappable EVs can be ultraly charged as well. It's more about flexibility and more alternatives of power suppling. Not mentioning the other freature which I value the most which is NOT BEARING any risk of the battery. ruclips.net/video/Zii33AP2V98/видео.htmlsi=SerdfEW-F--AttEP
150kWh battery is what we need in any SUV , 150kWh battery is a game changer . But for now only two EV can get it , Nio and Zeekr .
Only one thing is concerning me , low voltage of battery pack ( under 400V ) = less power and longer charging time .
I do get that some people are not buying the NIO swapping technology concept, but if it is swappable, you do get the fully charged 150 battery in 3 minutes, well 92% let's say precisely here.
@@ransyoutube You are right , but not 3 minutes but 5-6 minutes :) NiO is really good automaker , my favorite from China Republic.
Haha true😆; and you gotta wait in the line sometimes during rush hours, so, pros and cons.
That's because solid state batteries have a lower operating voltage due to higher internal resistance... you can see that in the data sheet at 5:25
350 Volts is much safer than 800 Volts, especially when the car is more than 5 years old.
I throughly enjoyed this video and your commentary. I watched the whole video in three sitting. I appreciate your effort. Regarding top comment: no need to do another test. It is determined with this test that ultra range battery is working. 🎉Kindly explore other areas about NIO. Eg NIO houses, Onvo, why China is so good with Evs.
Many thanks for the like and appreciate your time spent on my content. 😄There are indeed many other themes I'd like to make video about, I have the list, and I'll achieve that one by one, might be slowly but I tend to make each one thourough.
I think what definitely hurt the range a bit was the Sport mode. If the car is always using both motors it definitely consumes more power. So with the standard mode and no rain on the journey it might definitely be possible to come close 1000 km. All in all very interesting test. I think renting a 150 kWh battery for a long journey seems a perfect solution. It gives you the range when you need it, but most of the year the average user will be good with a 75 kWh battery. So it's not necessary to carry around a 150 kWh battery even if it's not a lot heavier but still in the long term especially in city driving the extra weight might have a little impact on consumption also the rent you pay monthly for the bigger battery would be way higher, so why pay that all the time although you don't need it. So this seems to be a great solution for long journeys especially for people coming from diesel which are used to drive up to 1000 km without stopping for a longer time
That’s a very thorough understanding from yours, you get the idea perfectly. We don’t have many diesel users here, but I was thinking it would be easier for them to make the transfer to EV without changing much of their driving habits.
Really impressed with China's highway system and the video. While I'm not sure battery swapping will catch on in the rest of the world (the video points out hard that kind of trip is on the body and you stopped a couple of times where you could have been charging), I do think the fact that the battery is upgradeable is a big selling point.
Thank you for your time spent on my content. I am sharing you a video that I made previously regarding charging vs battery swap which could help with your doubts in terms of charging within the stops on highway, hope it could bring you more new info.😄 ruclips.net/video/Zii33AP2V98/видео.htmlsi=TkHLaF6SdVfFNPia
Great test Ran, well done. 4% of the others may be battery heating.
Excellent. Wish Nio was in New York
Super video THX
I really enjoy this video... well done!!!
38eur for 800km it's insane, we need this asap in Europe
The same trip in Canada with my truck would cost me $206 CAD, compared to $56 CAD for the Nio (And gas prices are down like $0.20/L)... Man, I need to get an EV...
Having the swappable batteries would be ideal for longer trips in cold weather as I imagined in Canada, regarding both costs and flexibility.
It's more than acceptable. It's insane tbh. 42 000 $ is pretty much what NMC batteies cost just a few years ago. I assume this batteries have some major degradation or durability issues, otherwise They could be already installed on high end models and take the market by storm.
Very likely, it might be hard for them to manage the good yield rate. Still we shall await for the further development so that this solid state could be the real game changer.
The other option is that they can only make very limited numbers.
The only way batteries would make sense IS if they -
*keep the weight down*
*have range of at least 400 miles*
(instead of the car weighing 2.45 tons for a mid sized saloon. It would weigh around 1.7 - 1.8 tons max. And that's for a battery that will get you 500 miles minimum. Also only take 5-10 mins to charge to 80% and have capability to not overheat and stay at pure optimum performance and efficiency in very cold temperatures. On top of this, prices should be cut by 25/30% so more affordable for normal people.
What? you don't think this is possible. They could make it possible. But then again, humans are naturally greedy and don't like to give equality to everyone.
Excellent review.
It's quite impressive that the swap only takes 3-5 minutes
Someone did it with 2 and half minutes now. It'll be faster in the future station development.
Wow, Nomi moving bot is cute 20:49
Yes this little cutie truly enlighten the whole interior.
Thank you for the efforts and time to share knowledge about the cool stuff that Nio is doing.
Thank you for the support! 🙏🏼
That really good results from that battery. It would have been nice to have that battery dot the return trip to see how the range looks going both ways. Over 500 miles of real world driving, EPA range is something I would love to see on EVs these days. That a big step over my 2021 Audi e-tron with a rated range of 222 miles and actual driving (@ 70-90mph) of 186 miles, on AZ/CA highway road trips where the speed limit is 70+ mph. Getting 500+ miles at that speed out of a battery pack is a major win and that would increase EV sales in the US, with reasonable priced EVs. That’s commuting to work for 2+ weeks without charging, for some folks living in apartment buildings without charge points.
I hope by next year, this will be the standard in new releases going forward. Of course the battery pack price is an issue now as that would only end up in expensive vehicles. This is providing hope that range will be better soon.
Many thanks for your comment. I've noticed that many people in North America often commute for a very long distance crossing different states while here people would just prefer the train. Unfortunately this type of ultra long range battery might not going to be the mainstream as the cost is too high to purchase even in the future I guess.
It'll become a premium option instead of a common one. This battery is acting like a muscle showing demostrating that they can build solid state batteries.
The trend is likely to make the standard pack 250 Miles smaller and lighter using the solid state tech so that you can boost up to 300 Miles.
As NIO and its sub-brands provide battery swapping technology, for demands like ultra long commute, I think they might come up with an extended mode of BaaS, offering contracts with corps providing susbcription service of ultra long range batteries to their employees, this could be feasible.
@@ransyoutube Yeah, some major cities are “close” enough for that sort of commute. CT/NJ/NY tristate area and DC/MD/CVA are 2 examples, my commute to DC from MD was 30 miles round trip, when I moved to VA it was 70. Gave up my fun BMW 535 M Sport for a KIA Optima Hybrid. Moved to AZ years later, commuter was 30 miles but, traffic was like in DC, traded my KIA Stinger GT2 for an Audi e-tron. Benefit of using HOV lanes made the trip much faster, was burning too much fuel sitting in traffic.
At 222 mile of range, the etron would do real world local driving @ 255 miles. Being able to use a larger capacity battery pack that is similar in weight and provide much better range is a plus. The Battery as a subscription model is a good idea, that could significantly reduce the cost of vehicles but, manufacturers in other countries would need to have enough batteries built for swapping. Some people will not want to do that as they want to use their own battery. I like having the option to swap to a higher one for a period when you are traveling long distance and want that extra range. If no swapping option, then the best range one can get works, in the short terms where we don’t have many chargers or if you are doing extended off road driving. Right now, I would be happy with 400+ miles of actual, real world driving range.
@@waynerm002 I remembered that when the Audi E-tron was launched here in China few years ago it was insanely expensive. I liked it a lot especially I remembered there was this light interior with orange ornament. Back that time with that budget you can even get a Mercedes S here in China. I hope NIO could do better later in North America as it would benefit more people with it's unique solution and it's a different yet huge market that could optimize NIO's portfolio reversely. Right now it's a bit laggy might because of the geoplitics.
@@ransyoutube Yeah, it’s pricey. I was checking out EVs, Tesla Model Y had too many quality issues and lacked features that would make it worth the price in my opinion. Audi e-tron wasn’t selling well and they had a $20K+ discount which made me get it.
I know NIO has an office in California and have seen reviews of their products, with this new EV tariffs, that going to push prices higher. They would need a factory in the us to build cars as well as batteries to get around that. We will have to wait and see how things pan out.
@@waynerm002 Absolutely, could be having a factory in Arizona like the others did, this would be easier for you too to enjoy the service.😆
Great vid. Really love you commentary and style 👍💯✅🦘
Many thanks for the support. I'd be happy if more people exposed to the facts. Also I've been cautious using English language to express as I am not a native speaker. Hope my comments are precise.
@@ransyoutube your english is perfect!
@@ahmadsaleem7237 Thank you😄
I would love to test it in UK. I am Nio shareholder.
At the end of the Range Test, would love to see how Fast it Charges from a high-power Charge Post. 🤓 Maybe 0%-80% noting the kW rate along the way to make a curve.
That could be made as an individual content as this battery is designed mainly for battery swapping, but to test how capable it is for ultra charging could also be fun.
Your video is superb. Life is driving
We love to hear such battery packs with 1000 km range.
We would request nio to tie up with byd , catl, lg etc., battery manufacturing companies and build a battery in cheaper cost so that lower class may afford it and consume it for daily transport .
I agree with you. This is the true significance. NIO has been working with CATL already as many batteries are provided by them. However you understand that alliance among corps is complex as there is collaboration and competition at the same time.
For instance, CATL just launched the mega plan of creating its own battery swap system with installing over 10K swap stations.
Very nice video, Ran! Thanks. I'm curios about some other aspects: 1. How much would the charging cost be for the same trip if you did not swap the battery and kept your 75 kWh battery? 2. Do you know how much time did your breaks (for food, toilet etc.) take? I'm trying to see how much time did you actually save by swapping to a bigger battery compared to charging at a hypercharger.
Thank you for your support. I did one video previously regarding the charging cost vs swapping. Overall both methods would cost you roughtly the same, as many chargers and NIO swaps provide coupons ocassionaly. There is variety in chargers, different times, output, location, etc. The answer is that NIO did study about the charging costs and make sure that their users would enjoy more efficient swaps without extra cost elevation. ruclips.net/video/Gj1rSLSGggo/видео.htmlsi=YX2E3Iczy3i6kWXr
I couldn't remember quite clearly about how many times I stopped for the toilets, but I didn't really stop by for too long each time expect trying to record some footages. I know what you meant but the problem is you couldn't find the perfect scenario everytime that you'll get the charger vacant for you and nobody is charging either to guarantee the perfect charging output from the hyperchargers. You can check the other video I did regarding the pros and cons of hyperchargers, hope it could be helpful.ruclips.net/video/Zii33AP2V98/видео.htmlsi=U_He54cS3i2zwd3z
Very cool video, I liked both the technical aspect as well as the road trip footage in equal parts. The only thing I wish you could've additionally tested is the maximum charging speed, as this is where scientific opinion and PR seem to drift apart - related to solid state batteries. The 137 kWh out of 150 kWh consumed at the end is a sign that the app / car is "massaging" the data to a certain degree (i.e. the "realistic" consumption should include all the things that you mentioned near the end of the video) - I hope automakers can owe up to that in the future. The 4% for AC is 150 * 0.04 = 5.48 kWh, which is a little on the high side considering that's about 500 W per hour on a 11h trip - I would've expected values around 300-400 W per hour, here (so around 3%) total contribution, considering the ET5 is supposedly equipped with a heatpump. Thanks again, and I hope to see some monastery footage in the future ;-)
This might be one of most professional comments I've received and I shall applaud for your time and effort, thank you very much. I'll try to find the "perfect" scenario to test the charging speed of this battery namely to get the best result in real life. I believe that 4% for AC is a bit too much too. I didn't expect that this video is well exposed unlike the other ones I've uploaded and didn't expect that people loved a lot about these scenaries I've shot. I'll do more in the future, adding more content of culture and nature.
cool review! If we able to get this car in Eastern Europe with flat roads, and @90kmh max allowance on our roads. I think maybe even 1200-1300km can be done on summer with +24 celsius degrees, without AC needed . I am jealous a bit :) and get your "plant watering bottle adapter" for 0.20usd cents so, plant will also have option tostay home alone and do what they want :DDDD
Thank you for your time spent on my content. Indeed, you are portraying almost a perfect condition of using this battery, I assume at least we can get 1,100 km out of that. I’ll get this auto watering system for sure.😎
The range is more than acceptable. The stops inbetween i would top up. Charge 20 here 10 minutes there. Which makes a 1200km journey quiet a possibility.
Once you have 900km there no more range anxiety. Even if the trip is longer than 900km you can top up everytime you stop add a few 100kms per stop.
@@njaphs Correct, but cars need to be made for the general public, an EV with that battery in it would be super expensive, even in the future. The free market will not produce massly all cars with that range, there will be a balance between cost and actual range freasible. This will end up a premium car for small group of people, unless the battery is interchangeable.
Good documentary 😃👍🏻
Ok did i get this right? You can swap the battery before an long range Trip to the 150kw battery? And after the Trip you swap back to the smaller battery?
I am impressed by the battery. I didnt think about this case.
I was thinking before the swap-case from nio is "not the smartest". But i must correct me. This is really really smart!
Sadly the nio's are so much more expensive in germany....they are beautiful cars. Nio et5 Touring is a really beautiful Car and was my second choice after the tesla model y 😟
Thank you for the Video!
You get the idea perfectly right. And there will be more to impress you if you dig in. NIO is surely not common choice for everyone given the price tag, you may have a look on the recent revealed sub-brand ONVO and the next year EU beetle type of sub-brand "Firefly", They are all swappable, especially the Firefly that I'll be very interested to get one.
@@ransyoutube thank you for the advice. I will Look into it. Onvo i hadnt on the list.
I loved your video dude 👍
😊Thank you
WOW!!! I never knew NIO owned WELION
I've double checked that NIO owned 15% of WeLion direct/indirect, the largest shareholder. I don't know about the details since WeLion is not a listed company.
I like how dark it gets so soon closer to equator in summer. I live in Northern Europe and at 10:51 in evening or as we say 22:51 in late June, early July it would still be daylight outside. Then again in winter it would get very depressing very soon
I felt you, I've visited all Northern Europe countries and firstly I was always amazed by this time difference of getting dark. Later on just felt a bit uncomfortable haha.
Ran your video is perfect, continue with EV news from China pls!
Thank you for support, i’ll do my best. 🫡
Fascinating video. I think the best way to test it (and perhaps reach the claimed 1000 km) would be to do an out & return trip back to the "power station" (as you've called it; the battery swap station). This would compensate for any elevation-profile-related specificities. I'm quite confident that this could edge you closer towards the claimed 1000km.
Another remark: I hail from Europe, where (in some countries) average travel speeds are higher than the 78-86 kph you saw during your trip. I am curious about the elasticity of the range to, say, a 10 kph increase in average speeds. Are we talking linear reduction in real-life range - or more?
Thank you so much for your time spent here watching my content and the great advice. I thought the same, the elevation was the biggest cause of not able to reach that range. I am already thinking about doing a new test of driving in a flatter terrain to eliminate the elevation impact, and a round trip to test the most efficient way of driving and the most stressed way possible like cruising over 135Kph as people probably do. It is correct that if you drive faster the consumption would be increased drastically, I'd say 85-95 Kph is the sweet spot for my ET5, namely the most efficient. much for your time
Excellent video, we need to see more similar video about this amazing semi solid battery technology. China should distributed technology to world with its mass production knowledge.
Thank you for the support. I'd say this technology is rather common among all nations, it's just that right here in domestic China market, the EVs are highly competitive that enable people to enjoy new technologies more quickly.
Wow nice, hope nio brand can come to Indonesia.the swapping battery is needed here....
Indeed, given the density of population you have in Indonesia, NIO concept could be better used there.
I just love the little hat that you put on Nomi 😄 but the battery is also great
Thank you for the like, it's the summer hat I got for it, I also have furry winter hat.🤣
Without rain you could choose single motor Eco for lower consumption. You have the option to use Sport 4 wheel only during heavy rain. Tire condition should also be considered in this decision, if necessary. This could be an interesting future comparison.
Sure thing. I need to point out that I was using the efficient tyre instead of the other sportier tyre like P-Zero that NIO also offered. This Michelin efficient tyre is very slippery during moist weather and I was worried.
@@ransyoutube Tires for evs are more of a consideration because of wear. A 220 mileage rating for the P-Zero would not be attractive for me. Wet traction as you describe is a further negative. My tire choice would be a Michelin Defender 2 235/45/19 with 840 wear rating . I've always had excellent wet traction from Defenders. The diameter is 27.3" vs 27.7". Radius is 5mil less height is the wheel opening. CrossClimate is 245/45/19 with 640 wear.
@@eb1888. I'd be more than happy to be advised from professionals like you, I know nothing about tyre.🤣 The current default one is the Michelin E-Primacy, 245/45/19, I don't like it for a very long time especially rainy days, I am waiting for a good time to replace them. I'll check the local dealer to see if there is any right Defender or Crossclimate model to purchase. Much appreciated.
I guess you have not reached 1000km per charge not because of AC or massage but it's only about driving at 120km/h vs driving at 90km/h
Great video!
Now imagine 40kg battery pack for is 75 kWh difference. If they produce 40kg battery with 75 kWh capacity - well now we are talking about economy.
That's what I am longing for. But I see comments saying that if the battery weights change drastically then the original suspension layout will be twisted and bad for the entire vehicle. I'll ask NIO and let's see how things pan out.
@@ransyoutube It is true, however the technology itself can be used for other models or even brands with suspension designed for such weight.
Great Video! could you also mention the battery life span? how many charge cycles can it endure?
No info with the life span nor charge cycles yet as technically speaking the battery is NIO's property under BaaS service. NIO and its power stations are in charge of the health monitoring, problem solving and even dismantling, they have agreements with battery providers. As a customer, consider it as subscription. This would be one of the unique features of swapping technology as there is literally battery risk disclaiming from the perspective of users.
Great video, congratulations
Thank you🫶🏻
That price will kill it off... that is nuts.
If you were referring the battery price, It'll go lower due to scale effect let's wait how things pan out eventually. A game changer indeed.
Very interesting. Thx for the video!
IM Motors is gonna release a variant of their L6 EV with a ~140 kWh SSS-battery in October. I believe they will only release a small number of vehicles but it's gonna be interesting nevertheless!
I've noticed that too! And I want to find a chance to see it. IM belongs to SAIC (Shanghai) which is not related to NIO but I want to find out how's their interconnections as well. The battery technology shall be shared by more capable companies.
@@ransyoutube Would be great if you can find out something! Btw Zeekr produced 1000 cars of their 001 model with a 140 kWh battery if I remember correctly... but I don't know it that was a SSS or just a regular Li-ion battery.
@@Raymaster7482 Yes, that's the regular battery of 140kWh, available in the model 001WE; There are some others with large batteries like Aion LX with 144.4 kWh. There are so many EVs in China could be talked all day long. I am just me myself so I'd say I'll focus as a NIO user first. 🤣
Im ok with nio touring car.Software is something closest to tesla software.BYD is alsso veryinovate with blade battery
Interesting, thank you.
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muito bom espero chegar no Brasil essa tecnologia e não seja muito cara acho difícil mas com os carros voadores chegando os robô acredito vê antes da minha passagem
Obrigado pelo seu apoio, fico feliz que você tenha gostado.😄
With solid state comes faster charging? We want as small battery as possible (a sweet spot) and charging infrastructure everywhere? Why bigger sized batteries?
is it semi solid state battery or real solid state one?
Congratulations to NIO
Indeed
awesome video
Wow 150kWh is impressive, how did you know that it was a solid state battery?
Solid state is very new right?
How fast can it charge?
Hello, you may check the first part of video which could explain some of your doubts. Charging speed is associated with many factors. I don’t know if there is anyone tested this battery during charing yet. My ET5 is a 400V electric architecture, max. Charging speed 140kW for 75 kWh, and max. 240kW for 100 kWh battery pack, theoretically it could go higher if it is 150kWh, and 800V or 900V electric architecture.
Bjorn should have a crack of this in his 1000km challenge
I want to see it performed during winter like -30, since It's hard for me to be in this kinda weather.😆
Math doesnt add up with how cheap the rent is , lets say in ideal condition the battery is rented 24/365 , 7$ x 365 = 2,555$ , 10 years = 25,555$ , so it would need almost 20 years for it to pay off , and i very much doubt it can last 20 years. I wonder how they business work
The technology advancement and scale effect would dramatically ease the cost, the rental cost is still a bit higher from a user perspective, it's definitely going to be lower later.
25:54 Why does this range value differ from the one at 26:07 ?
Little hat for Nomi ist so cute, btw! 😊
The first one in cluster is the official claimed range which is never accurate. The second one in infotainment screen is the range calculated based on power consumption in real time, which is more reliable. The NOMI headwear is huge trend among users, there are millions varieties. NIO didn’t provide headwear that much but you may purchase anywhere from third parties with customizations.😆
Thanks for the video. Pleade continue. There is not a lot of information on such things from chinese origin cars. Many people in the west are scared that chinese manufacturers will kill the legacy brands, and I dont doubt this is somewhat true. But there is not a lot of info, because of the culture and language gap.
Thank you for your support. I agree that communication is always the cornerstone of eliminating barriers.
Hello from Greece, excellent presentation! I have a question about the cost, you received the battery at 93% and returned it at 0%, so you used 137*0,93= 127 KWh, are you charged for this extra? Or the 300 yuan is all you paid? And if you are charged extra, what is the price? Here in Greece 127 KWh would cost around 67 euro in fast DC charging, much more than the 300 yuan (38 euro)
Hi there, if you watch in detail the content and don't skip you'll find that I started with 100% charged the next day. 300 RMB is only the rental cost excluding the charging, here the average cost of DC charge would be 1.5 RMB (0.19 EUR) per kWh.
@@ransyoutube I watched all the video. Ι meant the difference from receiving the 150KWh battery to returning it. You received it at 93%, you returned it at 0%. So Nio also charges these KWh plus a service fee I've seen on another of your videos of 30 yuan, correct?
@@malakudi Sorry I've misunderstood, it's correct that I've received 93% out of the 150 battery, I checked the bill now and I was charged 157.27 RMB total (including 30 RMB service) for 97.9 kWh power. The reason for this amount of power 97.9 instead of 150 is because the previous battery I had was still 42% left out of the 75 battery if you check the content. Hope this could be helpful.
Question: So you swapped out your battery for a 150kwh battery. Does this mean you could swap out your 75 kwh battery anytime you want (for a swap fee) and this would avoid some of the degradation you normally would see if you had a pack which you couldn't swap out?
There is no restriction of swapping the battery, you may do that any time you want. Meanwhile as all the batteries are under monitoring inside the station and within your EV constantly, technically if there is any battery with degradation, NIO will find it out and resolve it fast. Note that all these batteries are removable and upgradable.
We have been making Li solid state batteries since the 1980’s but they are not cost effective for BEV use. At 300k yuan, these don’t appear to be very cost effective either. What about life cycle, how many charges can they tolerate? What about charge loss? What is my range at 120 kph? Thank you.
Hi, it‘s correct that it is not cost effective at all. And no info with the life span nor charge cycles since NIO doesn't provide it for retail selling, technically speaking the battery is NIO's property under BaaS service. NIO and its power stations are in charge of the health monitoring, problem solving and even dismantling, they have agreements with battery providers. As a customer, consider it as subscription. This would be one of the unique features of swapping technology as there is literally battery risk disclaiming from the perspective of users, and you'll only need it for longer trip if you want to swap it for temporal upgrade.
Event though I really don't like to leave any kinds of objects on the dashboard, that cute circle object with blue hat is quite cute I think lol..
Same, I'd like to keep my dashboard clean as well. It's an optional of choosing to install this cutie, and some people just regretted not having it and reinstall with a slightly higher cost.🤣 NIO develpers have made millions of facial expressions too. People said that you don't need NOMI if this NIO vehicle is for business/executive use, but I'd say most clients won't be bothered.
Interesting and clear video.
When it was 14:30u with still 650km to go my heart sank a bit 😅.
Overall ~900km in real circumstances is insane. Is every Chinese allowed to put a video on RUclips?
Thank you for your comment. Yet the second day I drove a complete 900Km with this battery and continued another 200Km at the night as I needed to see my friend😆. RUclips uploading is restricted in regions, not people.
Re-watching your road trip I realized that you probably could have easily reached more than 1000km on the way back if you had used Eco mode (2 wheel drive). Since you used Sport mode, it forced the car to used both engines, hence this will cause more losses, meaning less range...
This would make sense, I am planning on a new test for this battery.
@@ransyoutube Looking forward to it 🙂
Bring your own plant when traveling, that's new for me.
My apologies for delivering this awkwardness.
great video! is it a custom to always use the left lane in China even if you're not going that fast?
Hi there, there was a European has questioned me the same. By law there is no problem of doing that only if you don't block the other people way on purpose. I get the idea of trying to be at right lane as the left lane often refers to emergency use, but right here the right lanes are often occupied by heavy duty trucks that drive 20-30% below speed limits, it's almost impossible for civilians to cruise constantly at right lane.
@@ransyoutube yes, European here. in some countries you can get fined if you drive left while right one is free, that's why.
driving 95kmh on highway with 120kmh speed limit would kill me. and make me extremly angry, why wont you change lane to right ? any possiblity to test range at 135kmh ?
It's not 120 speed limit all the time, I'd say only 30%. I am not able to do that 135 test in China obviously for such a long time. Maybe someday in Germany, but the German highways are not consecutive limitless.
Quite interesting!
Thank you🙏🏼
thanks for the video! very informative. One question, if you ‘trade in’ your 75kwh battery, in your case with 40%, do you get compensated for the power the battery has in it? Thanks!
Thank for bringing up this as one other commenter did. Yes there is a compensation as I experienced, but I couldn’t figure out the algorithm behind this as a customer. It might vary in different stations and different time since the station itself needs to pay for the electricity, and local management. But this is fairly interesting, I’d mark it down and chat with NIO Power guys once I had the chance. I’ll share that via X if possible.
@@ransyoutubeThank you! 👏🏽
Your cruise speed is not much compared to normally people do. I think you should try again 120km/h. By the way I am guessing you can get more than 700km range and that's still fantastic.
Thank you for the comment, you are correct and I get people commenting about this too. The problem was the route I did was moutainous and many tunnels, the 120 speed limite only takes about 30% the whole journey. 100 is the most common one, sometimes even 80 when you get to the tunnels, I shall try it again in a flatter terrain.
Do we know the weight of the 150 kWh semi solid state battery vs the equivalent electrolyte based one?
Hello, you may check the first proportion/chapter of the video.
How much are 980km cltc in ~wltp?
I get 14 kWh/100km on driving below 90 on tarmac 2018 Zoe so this is impressive, you would get 10 kWh/100km eco-driving like me
I can hardly get a 13 in my daily drive as this car weights 2.2Tons and AWD, I wish it could be optimized via OTA but still I sense unlikeness of such low consumption.
@@ransyoutube Interesting are the "other" power consumptions higher on your comute? Personally I doubt an ota would make a significant difference, the inverter is usually fully optimised before release to get the range numbers etc. and the Chinese have a lot of expertise in that specific area. Yeah that is heavy.. Did you ever try driving below 80 km/h on the highway while keeping the kW relatively constant to see the difference? How is it on slower roads?
if you plan to drive the same road twice, making a comparison between like this one "normal" driving and eco-driving might be a very interesting video 👍
@@yagoa I was honestly surprised by how high the "others" taken in the whole consumption, maybe cuz this time was a longer journey. In my daily drive I thought it was nothing and just ignore. You are right about the inverter. I live close to expressways and I often cruise about 85-90 close to the speed limit, I would say this speed is the most effcient, take both time and average consumption into consideration. (The city expressway here is free type of highway inside city but slower than toll highways, they are for districts' connections)
@@yagoa I see people asking about the most efficient way of getting the range out, and also the stressed way of cruising constantly over 135 Kph; This looks reasonable and fun to conduct. I'll try.
Is there a 1000 km challenge in China to see how fast you can get there (and back) with different EVs like teslabjorn does in Europe?
E.g. VW ID7 did it in 9h25m, BMW i4 40 in 9h20m and so on...?
Hi there, as far as I know there isn’t yet. Such event would definitely draw much attention in the media but I haven’t experienced any. But it sounds a lot of fun to watch. Maybe because China has speed limits in all highways unlike the German autobahn.
@@ransyoutube Thanks for the reply, the tests are usually conducted with live stream driving from Oslo region in Norway down the west coast of Sweden and back at night where there is less traffic. It has the usual speed limits, but we have a comprehensive network of HPC (e.g. Ionity 350 kW standard for 800 V, Tesla 250 kW for 400 V cars) so the battery capacity is not that important for trip times and you can charge when you actually need a convenience break.
I see, is it a official event or a civil one? I’d like to check more about this.
@@ransyoutube Private drive as a youtube car tester by profession with a comprehensive free google sheets database and about 100,000 km of driving per year. Takes place usually every 1-2 weeks on teslabjorn live channel with recap video production at Bjorn Nyland main channel.
Thank you so much for the info. I’ll check that out! 🙏🏼
There should not be any constraint, to swap the battery, the first there, the first served, but Mail Direct International PSC should allow to add new batteries to satisfy the demands. If more customers want the big battery, they car change to a 100kWh or 120kWh and receive after on their trip one still unutilized 150kWh battery to make larger trip without stops... These batteries are mostly for Nio cars driving automatically without any human or animal onboard, as human beings and animals need to take rest, go to toilet, drink/eat, enjoy their trip... The car can exchange the battery or recharge it during these short stops... Only what is useful should be done by computers! No need to plan so much, benefitable things should be realized anytime with good surprises fit users, and factories, according to what is possible! For 700 kilometers you should not need the 150kWh, the 120kWh should get enough for your trip.... It us very good the batteries are not charges above 92%, 93%... Who is the new Wong Fei you were hearing at at 17:00 ?
Apologies that I find it pretty hard to comprehend your comment as you probably type too fast. I only get a slight proportion out of it. The other techonology that NIO invested a lot like others did too, is the autonomous driving. It is now feasible that I can cruise my car automatically and it could drive itself to the power station and swap the battery and leave, all process without any human intervening, I have plans to try that out soon. There is no music playing at 17:00, are you referring anywhere else?
Wow. Can I buy the car I'm austalia? Or rent the car and lease the battery like musk talked about years ago ?
Hello I believe you meant Australia? I do believe NIO has plans to move in there, like many other Chinese EVs did. Yes it's the similar concept that Musk and his teamed tried, but this mode has been working and functionning already for years here in China, and developing in EU too.