For stability, you should check with OCCT. R23 only checks for benchmark, and doesn't show calculation errors. You'll be suprised how many errors will be detected by OCCT, and will have to dial back on the PBO offset
A quick way to check this is run Prime95. You may instantly crash. If not, let it run awhile and walk away. If you crashed and rebooted, lower the number. I got lucky myself with -30. At -35 i came back to the welcome screen.
Try to look for something called " CPU Vcorre Loadline Calibration " or " LLC " and play with setting it to as high as possible in addition to that what you do with Curve Optimizer . It will stabilise the voltage on the CPU during the load and add a bit of juce ;)
I don't think this is ideal, because it will increase the voltage and cause it to run hotter. Which is the opposite of what we want. Curve optimizer is just fine and will let it boot more while taking less voltage
I spent two days fine tuning my BIOS for optimal performances with PBO undervolt, DDR5 timings, etc .. and then I save every the setting on USB stick, put everything on "AUTO" and lost 3 fps on my 7800X3D. I think this is useful for 79XX though.
hello.motherboard asrock b650m hdv m2 and gigabyte b650m gaming x ax .I tried both.restarting the computer.curve allcore negative 30 ram 5200 mhz xpg.why is it restarting the computer ?
Prime is the best test for cpu stability. I had it run before at negative 40 and 45...play games and no crashes BUT when you run prime it fail. At the moment i have set at negative 30, and it passes prime for hours.
I'm confused why you're only running one stick of RAM and using task manager and hwinfo at the same time to read clock speeds. Spoiler: hwinfo is better so just use that.
@@ElBlancoBossAh that makes sense. Also, curve optimizer adjusts voltage. You said at that point in the video a negative 30 curve was a downclock when it is really an undervolt. Hwinfo would have shown you how it affects core voltage. Same with LLC and how it affects voltage. (I saw the slightly misleading comment asking you to try it)
can undervolting a 7800x3d possibly hurt anything? Like the internal memory controller? The reason I ask is that I recently had to replace my 7800x3d because of a bad memory controller. I had a -30 on all cores PBO on mine. I would run some stress test and I never had any problems. To be honest I never really had any issues running -35 on all cores either. ITs just the gains were marginal so I just set it at -30. But one day my computer woudn't post to bios. I thought it might be a bad RAM, or MOBO, so I replaced those, and I still couldn't post. It wasn't until I tried replacing the CPU did it just boot up just fine. I probably replaced the mobo and ram for no reason. I actually didn't replace the ram, I bought new ram to see if it was the issue and it wasn't. I was trying to run AMD EXPO of 6400 cl32, but I capped the speed at 6000 just because people said the 1:1 ratio for the infinity cache was optimal at this speed. I'm trying to find out what could have caused my CPU Internal memory controller to go bad only 3 months old. Could it have been running AMD EXPO? Could it have been running undervolt on cpu? Could it have been the damn cable mod extensions?
@@MrLelo80 The curve optimiser is an undervolt. You don't overclock these x3d CPUs, you undervolt it whichlowers the temperature so it has more room to go faster
like the other comments said this is an undervolt, what your doing is removing vdroop so that you have a stable amount of voltage through the core at all times instead of a rollercoaster of amplitudes
Hello, I have a 7800x3D processor, I have not made any performance changes with it, it works as it comes out of the box, it runs at 4675 and 4775 mhz in games, is this normal?
Yeah seems normal. If you change the curve optimizer in bios like in the video you will gain higher clocks when gaming. Also make sure your bios is up to date
Seems low tbh, at stock i was 4800 all Core on cpu demanding games, after -30 all Core im mostly at 5000/5050 while playing. It may be a Colling issue, maybe your Colling solution is not allowing better clocks
Hi there, on my motherboard I have to set my PBO to advanced in order to access the curve optimizer. Looks like this motherboard’s settings are a bit different
Hey not completely related, but what is the difference between DOCP I and DOCP II? My mobo (also Asus) has both options and switching between them gives the exact same setting options (for mem freq and FCLK freq). I cannot see any difference between the two so I have been running on DOCP I (using 6000mhz ddr5).
I'm using an arctic freezer 420. But cinebench can still ramp it up to about 76°. Normal gaming can be in the 50s and 60s. (-30 curve optimizer) It can idle at 39°
after trying the neg 30 all core and crashing opening 3d mark. i loaded up previous bios settings that worked great before and now it is crashing 3d mark. why would a previously working bios now have problems??
@@ElBlancoBoss i tried lowering but did not work. took all oc off still crashing. reset bios still crashing. i have uninstalled 3dmark and going to reinstall and try again. just did windows memory diagnostic with full dohp2 which was fine. occt memmory just passed with 0 errors. i hope reinstalling 3dmark fixes this issue
Steel Nomad is now working. i had upgraded to amd 24.6.1 drivers on my 7900xt which used to work but i had enabled some of the global display settings. i switched them off apart from freesync and now it is working better than ever. dx12 steel nomad got 6238 62.39 fps.
Hello, I bought an AMD 7800X3D. I'd like to curve optimizer. My motherboard is ASUS TUF B650 M PLUS. Actually, I'd like to use complete performance this Cpu. How can ı do ? You showed in the video how make to CO
@@ElBlancoBoss I tried and it was. My settings All core and negative 30. My R20 test results are 7180 point. Temperature is max 80 degrees. Less 3 degrees than start
Is there a way to overclock the apu only?? I'm emulating and using a 7800x3d and don't have the budget for a GPU yet.. needing a bit more juice from the apu but the cpu is rocking beautifully.. any ideas?
heyy....do u recommend overclocking the 7900x ? in the 7700x video u told me about the settings...is it possible to do the overclock on 7900x the same way as 7700x ....5.3Ghz start with 1.19v?
I m a casual gamer just like to enjoy playing my games but i also have to do some word, ppt etc and other works...should i go for this 7800x 3d for those extra fps or should i go with 7700x which overall allows for overclocking thus giving general usage boost ??
7800x3D si the best CPU on this planet so if you only game buy 7800x3D instead. 7700x is better all rounder and it will run most games smoothly but certain games rally benefits from 3D´V cache such as MMORPGs and Escape from Tarkov
@@ElBlancoBoss will it be enough for day to day tasks like word ppt browsing writing some pprs etc?? Because the base n boost is much lower than 7700x??
@@ElBlancoBoss WoW! Thank you for the prompt reply!!! I tried the settings on MSFS2020 and the MSI afterburner kept showing 5225MHz with only approx 60'C temp on the procesor, so I assumed it was all good and dont need to go further. Will check with the -20 and further tomorrow. Hopefully it won't crush ;)
@@R_K-kr9uhi didn't try but i know these things. im a computer engineer you can't overclock 7800x3d. Not worth the risk. you can gain 5 fps maybe. This is a gaming cpu and best cpu at the market now . Overall its a good cpu. İ don't recommend overclock for cpu and gpu. i recommend undervolt :)
@@hasanuzumcu3182Im asking because Im getting pc with 4090 and r7 7800x3d. Cpu will have water cooler. So should I do anything with gpu or cpu? Or just use it as it is and dont touch anything?
Yes been using it like that for over a month and been running well. I guess I got a good cpu lottery 😄 you got to remember it's a lottery, they not all gonna be the same. You need to test yours to see what it's capable of
Because the way the chip is designed there is negligible difference in performance, especially gaming, with higher CAS latency or Mhz. That's why you're paying the premium for the processor, to save money in other areas.
Я не пойму почему люди всегда пытаются разогнать процессор который разгоняет себя сам когда это нужно , ведь есть pbo , ведь даже инженеры амд говорили что просто дайте процессорам работать. Единственное что вы можете полезного сделать это downvolt , и даже этого делать не надо так как павер лимит у него маленький .....
For stability, you should check with OCCT. R23 only checks for benchmark, and doesn't show calculation errors. You'll be suprised how many errors will be detected by OCCT, and will have to dial back on the PBO offset
I did mention in the video that you have to test it and see if it's stable and dial it up and down depending on your CPU
@@ElBlancoBosssure, but its good to test stability with a tool that measures stability and errors, not with a benchmarking tool. Hence OCCT...
Yes this can be done in own time. In this tutorial had to be a quick demonstration to the user
What do you mean by errors
why does undervolting make it faster? confused@@ElBlancoBoss
A quick way to check this is run Prime95. You may instantly crash. If not, let it run awhile and walk away. If you crashed and rebooted, lower the number. I got lucky myself with -30. At -35 i came back to the welcome screen.
mine crashed instantly at -30, went back to -10 and it ran fine, haven't tried to go further yet.
Do you test with AVX or not? Mine crashes immediately on -30
No.
@@ThunderGod9182try -25 my work when -30 didint insta blue screnn after game on
Try to look for something called " CPU Vcorre Loadline Calibration " or " LLC " and play with setting it to as high as possible in addition to that what you do with Curve Optimizer . It will stabilise the voltage on the CPU during the load and add a bit of juce ;)
I'll have a look. Decrease or increase it?
@@ElBlancoBoss morally it should be increased to minimise fluctuations of voltage during the load
@@Askaret thanks I'll give it a try
I don't think this is ideal, because it will increase the voltage and cause it to run hotter. Which is the opposite of what we want. Curve optimizer is just fine and will let it boot more while taking less voltage
Is there a way to overclock the Apu only?? Haven't got the budget for a GPU yet.
I spent two days fine tuning my BIOS for optimal performances with PBO undervolt, DDR5 timings, etc .. and then I save every the setting on USB stick, put everything on "AUTO" and lost 3 fps on my 7800X3D. I think this is useful for 79XX though.
I gained 40fps
I feel like this is getting rather close to the 89° TJMax of the chip. It didn't look like it was even warmed up all the way.
Thank you, great tutorial!
You're welcome 🫡
hello.motherboard asrock b650m hdv m2 and gigabyte b650m gaming x ax .I tried both.restarting the computer.curve allcore negative 30 ram 5200 mhz xpg.why is it restarting the computer ?
Because its more aggressive 10~15 is good
Prime is the best test for cpu stability. I had it run before at negative 40 and 45...play games and no crashes BUT when you run prime it fail. At the moment i have set at negative 30, and it passes prime for hours.
Every system is different. There is no one app to test for stability.
@@DaKrawnik well for cpu overclocking, prime is the one 👍
Why do people still use R20? It's incredibly outdated and no one uses it so they have no reference.
Thank you very much for your help. 🖖💪
You're welcome 🫡
I'm confused why you're only running one stick of RAM and using task manager and hwinfo at the same time to read clock speeds.
Spoiler: hwinfo is better so just use that.
I have only 1 stick 32gb RAM
@@ElBlancoBossAh that makes sense. Also, curve optimizer adjusts voltage. You said at that point in the video a negative 30 curve was a downclock when it is really an undervolt. Hwinfo would have shown you how it affects core voltage. Same with LLC and how it affects voltage. (I saw the slightly misleading comment asking you to try it)
can undervolting a 7800x3d possibly hurt anything? Like the internal memory controller? The reason I ask is that I recently had to replace my 7800x3d because of a bad memory controller.
I had a -30 on all cores PBO on mine. I would run some stress test and I never had any problems. To be honest I never really had any issues running -35 on all cores either. ITs just the gains were marginal so I just set it at -30. But one day my computer woudn't post to bios. I thought it might be a bad RAM, or MOBO, so I replaced those, and I still couldn't post. It wasn't until I tried replacing the CPU did it just boot up just fine.
I probably replaced the mobo and ram for no reason. I actually didn't replace the ram, I bought new ram to see if it was the issue and it wasn't.
I was trying to run AMD EXPO of 6400 cl32, but I capped the speed at 6000 just because people said the 1:1 ratio for the infinity cache was optimal at this speed.
I'm trying to find out what could have caused my CPU Internal memory controller to go bad only 3 months old.
Could it have been running AMD EXPO?
Could it have been running undervolt on cpu?
Could it have been the damn cable mod extensions?
Whaat
Was it an asus mobo
biggest concern for 7800x3d is keeping the soc voltage in check, dont want my cpu to grenade😬
If you run on a newer bios the soc voltage is locked to 1.3.. if u can set it higher then 1.3 in bios u might want to update bios.
my 7800x3d only goes to 4.7ghz.... doesnt make any sense
try updating your motherboards bios
Modern CPUs are already overclocked. That´s why they reach such high temperatures at stock. Personaly, i think it is better to undervolt.
with curve optimizer you can get abit more higher clock speed under load, thats the point of it
Hello did you ever try to undervolt the CPU? Im not sure what i would prefer my system is on the way to me.@@ElBlancoBoss
@@MrLelo80 The curve optimiser is an undervolt. You don't overclock these x3d CPUs, you undervolt it whichlowers the temperature so it has more room to go faster
lol not true at all.
like the other comments said this is an undervolt, what your doing is removing vdroop so that you have a stable amount of voltage through the core at all times instead of a rollercoaster of amplitudes
Hello, I have a 7800x3D processor, I have not made any performance changes with it, it works as it comes out of the box, it runs at 4675 and 4775 mhz in games, is this normal?
Yeah seems normal. If you change the curve optimizer in bios like in the video you will gain higher clocks when gaming. Also make sure your bios is up to date
Seems low tbh, at stock i was 4800 all Core on cpu demanding games, after -30 all Core im mostly at 5000/5050 while playing. It may be a Colling issue, maybe your Colling solution is not allowing better clocks
@@bindxpoxt What is the colling problem? Sorry, I don't know much.
@@furkansantimci9240 you cpu cooler may not be ideal, iam running a 360 aio, are you on air cooler or Water cooler?
@@bindxpoxt I am using a 360mm asus lc ii, actually the temperatures do not even reach 60 degrees, I have a very cool processor.
I see that the PBO is set to Auto, do you not have that enabled/advanced? Most tutorials have it on enabled or advanced
Hi there, on my motherboard I have to set my PBO to advanced in order to access the curve optimizer. Looks like this motherboard’s settings are a bit different
Auto is default setting OOB
Should we overclock or underclock ?
under
MSI Tomahawk B650 just allows you to select PBO Enhanced Mode 4 and get the same exact results with the click of a button….
Hey not completely related, but what is the difference between DOCP I and DOCP II? My mobo (also Asus) has both options and switching between them gives the exact same setting options (for mem freq and FCLK freq). I cannot see any difference between the two so I have been running on DOCP I (using 6000mhz ddr5).
DOCP loads ASUS default. DOCP II loads the memory profile. I find DOCP 2 more stable
Hi, which is your cooling system?
Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 CPU Liquid Cooler
okk, thanks! great video@@ElBlancoBoss
🫡
I'm using an arctic freezer 420. But cinebench can still ramp it up to about 76°. Normal gaming can be in the 50s and 60s. (-30 curve optimizer) It can idle at 39°
When I have pbo on auto i get 7100score on cinebwnch when I put advance and negative 25 I get 6988score xd soooo what is better 😅😅
after trying the neg 30 all core and crashing opening 3d mark. i loaded up previous bios settings that worked great before and now it is crashing 3d mark. why would a previously working bios now have problems??
maybe try -25 and test again
@@ElBlancoBoss i tried lowering but did not work. took all oc off still crashing. reset bios still crashing. i have uninstalled 3dmark and going to reinstall and try again. just did windows memory diagnostic with full dohp2 which was fine. occt memmory just passed with 0 errors. i hope reinstalling 3dmark fixes this issue
Reinstalled 3dmark and crashes before steel nomad starts. Only happened after neg 30 all cores. Reset all overclocks still crashing.
Steel Nomad is now working. i had upgraded to amd 24.6.1 drivers on my 7900xt which used to work but i had enabled some of the global display settings. i switched them off apart from freesync and now it is working better than ever. dx12 steel nomad got 6238 62.39 fps.
My 7800x3d with no bios tweaking gets 18000on Cinebench.
Sounds like you are running R23, he is showing R20 here
I know for a fact this is not stable in occt or prime95
Hello, I bought an AMD 7800X3D. I'd like to curve optimizer. My motherboard is ASUS TUF B650 M PLUS. Actually, I'd like to use complete performance this Cpu. How can ı do ? You showed in the video how make to CO
Should be the same process as I have an Asus motherboard too
@@ElBlancoBoss Thanks for your help, Did you make another settings in the bios ?
@@ElBlancoBoss I tried and it was. My settings All core and negative 30. My R20 test results are 7180 point. Temperature is max 80 degrees. Less 3 degrees than start
Maybe I can continue 😂
did not do much for me still same 4.77/79
Don t hit 5 GHz?
Occt reboot system with -30..
My temps are not going down… still the same
Is there a way to overclock the apu only??
I'm emulating and using a 7800x3d and don't have the budget for a GPU yet.. needing a bit more juice from the apu but the cpu is rocking beautifully.. any ideas?
you can in BIOS, but I've not done it before as I have a dedicated GPU
heyy....do u recommend overclocking the 7900x ? in the 7700x video u told me about the settings...is it possible to do the overclock on 7900x the same way as 7700x ....5.3Ghz start with 1.19v?
yeah same method would work :)
@@ElBlancoBoss Awwwweeesssssoomeee😍
I m a casual gamer just like to enjoy playing my games but i also have to do some word, ppt etc and other works...should i go for this 7800x 3d for those extra fps or should i go with 7700x which overall allows for overclocking thus giving general usage boost ??
7800x3D si the best CPU on this planet so if you only game buy 7800x3D instead. 7700x is better all rounder and it will run most games smoothly but certain games rally benefits from 3D´V cache such as MMORPGs and Escape from Tarkov
@@Kalantinus94 thanks buddy❤️
7800x3d is the best gaming CPU so I highly recommend it
@@ElBlancoBoss Aye Sir💕
@@ElBlancoBoss will it be enough for day to day tasks like word ppt browsing writing some pprs etc?? Because the base n boost is much lower than 7700x??
I was already getting 4.9 on stock, is it still worth doing this?
for me, no
Probably not. 4.8-5.7 ghz is more than enough for gaming at least
curve at negative 30 and i can't even boot 20 is bootable
-20 is fine
is it safe to do that? or I will throw my computer from the window the next day?
If you follow the instructions properly you'll be fine. If you're not comfortable with it then don't do it
what kind of cooler do you use?
Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240
Is it possible I get 5.30GHz stable with only negative 15?
I don't think it's possible to reach 5.3 ghz
@@ElBlancoBoss WoW! Thank you for the prompt reply!!! I tried the settings on MSFS2020 and the MSI afterburner kept showing 5225MHz with only approx 60'C temp on the procesor, so I assumed it was all good and dont need to go further. Will check with the -20 and further tomorrow. Hopefully it won't crush ;)
Yeah that's good. If it crashes then just dial it down to -15 or -10 until it becomes stable 😊
Will do. Thank you very much for the help, kind Sir!
You're welcome 🫡
Can this void warranty
No
why do you need overclock for 7800x3d?
Higher boost clock
@@ElBlancoBoss right but i mean do you really need it for gaming CPU ? For 3 FPS maybe
@@hasanuzumcu3182U tried it? Really can only gain 3 fps? Because people been telling me that I should overclock it.
@@R_K-kr9uhi didn't try but i know these things. im a computer engineer you can't overclock 7800x3d. Not worth the risk. you can gain 5 fps maybe. This is a gaming cpu and best cpu at the market now . Overall its a good cpu. İ don't recommend overclock for cpu and gpu. i recommend undervolt :)
@@hasanuzumcu3182Im asking because Im getting pc with 4090 and r7 7800x3d. Cpu will have water cooler. So should I do anything with gpu or cpu? Or just use it as it is and dont touch anything?
It went lower
I got 18500
-30 Works fine?
Yes been using it like that for over a month and been running well. I guess I got a good cpu lottery 😄 you got to remember it's a lottery, they not all gonna be the same. You need to test yours to see what it's capable of
it would be correct to test the difference in the game, for example
in "Returnal"
performance is provided or not@@ElBlancoBoss
Thanks for the feedback. Will include game period before and after in next videos.
Thanks
@@GamerOneI don’t think you can see noticeable performance in games. Those are just the numbers in benchmarks and synthetic tests.
Check for WHEA errors in the event viewer.
Bober curve
imagine watching a Video from a guy who trys to tell u how to overclock a 7800X3D while running 32GB of RAM with 5200Mhz, wtf
@@mAdDox1904 what's wrong with that?!
Because the way the chip is designed there is negligible difference in performance, especially gaming, with higher CAS latency or Mhz. That's why you're paying the premium for the processor, to save money in other areas.
Я не пойму почему люди всегда пытаются разогнать процессор который разгоняет себя сам когда это нужно , ведь есть pbo , ведь даже инженеры амд говорили что просто дайте процессорам работать. Единственное что вы можете полезного сделать это downvolt , и даже этого делать не надо так как павер лимит у него маленький .....
А какая его реально предельная рабочая температура, на сайте разраьов пишут 89 градусов tjuction, это оно?
Я просто в играх 70-75 градусов при трёх кулеррном СВО получаю, и это норма, или стоит андерволтнуть?
@@Immortalled это абсолютно нормальная темаература.
@@Immortalled55-65 sl240
Его дешманская башня должна остужать спокойно. Откуда берёте такие температуры? Отзывы на ДНС почитал и был в шоке
Дурной ум рукам покоя не даëт ...
Наоборот всё по делу