Why Maki vs The Disaster Curses Isn't Close
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2022
- Could Maki with her newly awakened power fight take on the entire disaster cursed spirit group? In this video I will be going over both sides strength, speed, and hax in order to determine who would win and why.
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If Jogo fought Maki again he’d break the fourth wall and ask Gege to give him beatable opponents for once
at least once 😂 just one fight with a surmountable challenge
Gege: that happened already, I'm not giving you another one
@@pixlv6384 that was just bullying in 3 seconds
Well
Naobito namani and maki were beatable
Why does jogo always get packed up. Gojo; Pack. Sukuna; fINISHED OFF
Jogo fighting Maki with her awakened abilities would basically have a meltdown. He'd be like, "why tf do I happen to fight the strongest mfs."
the universe hates him just like everyone else does
Jogo really has the worst luck
He does get downplayed because of that unfortunate luck of his
a literally melt down
Well a large part is because he is a weird place power wise too strong to fight most characters yet too weak to stand a chance against top tiers so he either stomps or is stomped
Jogo: Mage
Hanami: Tank
Dagon: Support
Mahito: Late game melee carry
Maki: ADMIN
Mahito: Blue Mage, Onion Knight, and other versatile classes with broken hax that become super broken if you invest into them.
Maki: That exploit where if you keep your starting weapon until the end of the game and upgrade it fully, you can get a super weapon with the highest stats in the game.
Sukuna: Smurf account
Gojo: Hacker
@@yaboiplank6764 💀💀💀
Yuta: warlock
@@yaboiplank6764 true lmao
The disaster curses really do be the versus battle equivalent of the six paths of pain. They serve as gateway match ups and if you can handle them it’s safe to consider you apart of the “ strongest in the verse”
I very much like that analogy
Great analogy
That's a great take! I'll remember that.
Except that combat mechanics have been explored in much more detail in Naruto. We have a clear understanding how chakra and ninjutsu work, as well as Nagato's capabilities, limit, at least vague idea of chakra levels etc.
In JJK, the combat mechanics are all extremely vague. Some of it is due to even the characters knowing little and exploring the origins of Jujutsu (and what "real Jujutsu" as Sukuna put is even is) is part of the story.
Everything we know about curse techniques and combat mechanics in JJK is very "patchy" and vague and we don't have a clear understanding of anything really.
At the same time there are also not that many characters and displays of powers (of varying degrees) as well as not that many fights.
Take Jogo for example: He got stomped by Gojo, then one shot Kento, Naobito and Maki then got destroyed by Sukuna. It doesn't really tell us much. The best piece of information we have to actually gauge Jogo's strength is the fact that Kenjaku said he's strength is worth 9 fingers. But how many fingers worth of strength could the average grade 1 sorcerer even handle?
Power scaling in JJK is pretty pointless. Our understanding of combat mechanics and actual power levels is way too low and there are not enough characters to begin with. It's like...you're either "Top5/10" or you are weak to average at best.
You mean "gatekeeper" matchups
Something that irks me is that people downplay Mai's cursed technique, but we have to keep in mind that her technique uses a lot of cursed energy, and Mai has a small pool because of her connection to Maki. Keep in mind in Mai's final moments she created a sword that is a replica cursed tool which can directly attack an opponents soul. That's insane.
Yeah, ppl easily forget. Imagined what if she have more ce. She probably could recreate special grade tools with various curse technique, like IsOH.
Even Maki/Toji is pretty useless in offense without cursed tools
@@hafi3327 Yeah I've seen people outright say her technique is weak, but if for example Yuta copied it, we would be able to do some absolutely insane things with it.
@@MrBuns-yi2hk True, if her limits are her extremely small CE and the large amounts of CE needed for making even a bullet. One bullet was her limit and enough to make her nose bleed
Fix both of those and her technique would essentially let anyone be Emiya Shirou from Fate
Despite that, her technique is also explicitly noted to take a very high amount of cursed energy even with just one bullet. A 1st grade sorcerer could probably make 12 to 15 bullets and then run out of cursed energy.
Yes, Mai was Grade 3.
One of the lowest sorcerers, she had only above civilian levels of curse energy; there was no way for Mai to properly use her curse technique with such a low amount of curse energy because she was a twin.
Warning: People replying to my comment with MAJOR JJK spoilers
After you've broken Makis speed down I've come to realise how broken the six eyes truly are. Teen Gojo could react to Toji when Toji attacked in teen Gojos line of sight
Where would u say yuta ranks in terms of speed🤔
@@titan5999 Far above Maki, Toji and Teen Gojo
Volume 0 Rika is supposed to be relative to or stronger than Volume 0 Gojo. But if we downplay V0 Rika to the max, we can say that she’s relative to Year 3 Gojo, since Geto specifically saw year 3 Gojo and knows all his abilities, but concludes that Rika can beat a hypothetical year 3 Gojo with 10 years of training (V0 is 10 years after hidden inventory)
Year 3 Gojo > Awakened Year 2 Gojo
And then, we have a Bloodlusted, Prime Toji in Shibuya being relative in speed to a 3 Finger Sukuna who was nerfed by having no heart and also holding back on top of that, while Base Yuta and Partial Rika were compared to 15 Finger Sukuna’s Shibuya feats. Which obviously means Yuta scales to 15 Finger Sukuna’s Shibuya speed scaling
@@jocoolshow Ain’t no way yuta is as quick and agile as maki/toji. They are able to even shift body direction in mid air. Yes an abundance of curse energy mean more strength if applied properly but that physical strength/speed can’t see maki/toji who were definitely faster than naobito and naoya but since they aren’t “sorcerers” no one gave toji his flowers except naoya and gojo.
@@ggfresh5483 Yea Maki can move at speeds up to if not faster than Mach 3 since she kept up and even blitzed curse Naoya at his maximum speed. So if yuta doesn’t have feats that support him being able to perceive or react to attacks moving this fast than that gives us a better idea of her scaling.
@@jocoolshow Itadori >
To be fair to dagon, he was just a cursed womb at the start of his first/only fight. He didnt get multiple fights to evolve like the others did
Very true
I think Dagon would've turned into a monster if he had some time to evolve like the others, he had a domain while just being a cursed womb.
True plus people are generally more afraid of the ocean than they are of volcanoes and the forest
He still knows his brothers strength
whats a curse womb again
I think JOGO is the strongest amongst them and GEGE just wanted to show off how ridiculously strong Sukuna and Gojo are compared to everyone else.
Actually a good point never thought of that
Even when Awakened Dagon literally decimated a Special Grade 1 and two Grade 1 sorcerers (yes, I believe Maki is on par with a grade 1 sorcerer), the moment Jogo shows up they immediately remark that Jogo is on a different level compare to Dagon. So he can pretty much solo everybody in the story beside Special Grades.
@@Chowmeinn Thats literally the point of the character
@@TipoIrritable mhm
true i agree
Off topic here. I'm quite sure Naobito got pissed drunk because he knew he was going to croak. Out of all the Zenin, he was the only one who could speak formally to Toji. I believe Toji didn't annihilate the clan due to the following:
A) Toji respected Naobito.
B) Toji was thinking of Megumi's future like it was implied.
C) Naobito was a grand negotiator and mediator, and kept Toji somewhat tame with promises of taking care of Megumi. And he did keep his promise; even going so far as to make Megumi the head over his own son.
RIP to the man who drunkenly kept his clan alive.
For a guy who runs an incestuous clan full of racists, he's a pretty cool guy isn't he
Wasn't it implied that Naobito was the one that Toji was talking to on the phone about selling Megumi? Their interactions in Dagon's domain and how Naobito actually kind of helped Toji during their fight show that neither Naobito or Toji have an outright "kill on sight" hatred for eachother
@@Subpar1O1they definitely didn’t hate each other but I imagine they were completely neutral. The negotiations just were beneficial to each other. It did seem like naobito had some level of respect for Toji though as he’s the only zenin seen talking to Toji.
"The biggest sin of a small fry is not realizing true strength."
The speeds of Naobito and Jogo are so high that Dagon can only make an assumption about who may be faster, just like Megumi did with Toji and Sukuna
This comment is so good.😭
Also its crazy how jogo took a point blank red from adult gojo with minimal damage meanwhile toji got hit by awakened teen gojo's red, blocked it, and was still bleeding and they used that as a point to show how good maki/toji's durability is
So is it impressive to tank red or not???
@@xxjoebamaxx7782*if gojo was trynna kill him, ir probably woulda been stronger, he was playing arou d before he got the idea of bringing yuji*
@@Jahito_EBT the blast did more damage to the surroundings than the one he used on toji. Even if he probably could've used a stronger one.
@@xxjoebamaxx7782*spoiler*
If Gojo considered Red to be enough to one shot Mahoraga before it started to adapt to Limitless, then he was definitely not going all out because he had wanted to use him as a training example for Yuji, which he did.
Finally, people are starting to put respect on maki (the editing is also insanely funny)
maki gets SO much respect ngl, people just overhyping her against ppl like yuta for example
@@kami_vega I can definitely see maki and yuta sparring/fighting each other just to see how much stronger each of them has gotten since yuta has been overseas awhile and maki has gotten a big power up. Of course yuta wins but it’d def be fun to see
@@kami_vega People are hyped because finally finally in a Battle Shounen a female character got justified with her character development and overall skills with respect to the other male characters 😏✨️
@@animeeditor27 I don't personally think that the hype have something to do with the gender of the character.
@@amoogus9265 it definitely does, most female shonen characters are so bad.
Maki probably my favorite character in the entire series. She starts off as someone you root for because of her situation and you watch her develop into a complete annihilating machine. I wonder what role she'll play in the battle with Sakuna now that Yuta has reentered. I doubt she can do much because Yuta is stronger than her, and Sakuna is stronger than both of them combined, with Yuta probably being able to annoy him like Yuji can. Even still, Maki is the greatest. I respect her and Yuta so much for what they've accomplished.
I originally liked her because I like strong female characters that aren’t afraid to box . Then I wanted her to get stronger from there . I also loved she was the underdog to some but other acknowledged her as more than what ppl gave her credit for .
The jump in quality of editing in your videos is comparable to the power boost between Shibuya and current Maki. Amazing content.
Just finished watching, & can say this is by far the most accurate video I've seen on Maki since her 2nd "awakening" that doesn't instantly downplay her abilities. The general analysis/explanation of all 5 of these characters abilities also kept it interesting to watch 👍
There are these channels like kaiyobreeze and blzkn anime who like downplay maki and toji real hard
@@oreki8707 Ikr
@@oreki8707 it's unfortunate
@@oreki8707 to be fair her Pre 2nd awakening Form was wird when it Came to Speed cuz mach 3 not a Lot in jjk
@@derp1330 mach 3 is infact the fastest Speed feat shown so far in jjk
That's the reason it was highlighted in the manga
I love how even when disfigured Maki doesn't lose because she looks ten times more kickass.
I wanna point out Maki isn´t faster than before at all with the sumo awakening. She´s expressively being able to outmaneuver him because of her improved perception, letting her know his constant position and that of her surroundings perfectly.
Wanna also mention Jogo´s domain is a volcano. And his abilities do summon magma. So his domain would just create a battle field that passively harms Maki.
True af, idk whats going on with this powerscaling but maki is been hardly overated.
@@wyattwhittembury8214 It's hype, u can't do anything about it...
Yeah maki can definitely outmaneuver these guys but they have the hax to stay alive and do damage .... excluding hanami cus we didnt see much from him
@@wyattwhittembury8214her speed getting wanked to above curse naoya is reasonable because a similar fight happened earlier
The weirdo who can literally see future vs hakari who was faster than the prediction
So technically maki should be fast enough to act according to the prediction giving at least decent speed to actually keep up with curse naoya in raw speed
Maki/toji has to consent to be in a domain, just like how she materializes in Noaya domain, so jogo domain won’t be a issue, she won’t be trapped inside
For precog to work, you need to have relative speed to your preception or the ability is useless. She outpace curse Noaya in mid air with no leverage to dodge but did so anyway. We see curse noaya a few ft from maki in mid flight but she still dodged implying she’s faster then before….this is consistent for jjk characters, when they gain confidence, a rage boost or a better mindset, they physically become stronger, for example: Choso & yuji couldn’t touch noaya but when yuji left the fight to go against yuta, choso perform better cuz he didn’t like the views noaya had about brotherhood, almost hitting him with a prercing blood. Yuki lost to kenjaku cuz she didn’t have confidence in her domain despite kenjaku saying she could’ve won, yuji getting nerf watching his friends get killed by mahito until todo came with a speech, megumi getting physical stronger after having more confidence in his 10 shadows instead of just pulling maho everytime, even beating a stronger finger barrier…..We literally see maki say “i’m at my best” after removing her trauma, she definitely got faster, plus she was nerf fighting human noaya.
Both can coexist, just because they explain her precog doesn’t mean she was slower then curse noaya in her 2nd awakening
Ive been dying for a power scaling channel for JJK and this is definitely it
I’ve been waiting all week for this video, can’t wait for the next one, awesome work as always
Imma sub, this was pretty informal since I was behind from the manga, but also the editing was hilarious especially when you said her weapon options were "limited" in minecraft 🤘🏿🤘🏿
I love your anime to manga cuts of iconic scenes very very clean
Jujutsu already had me hooked from the anime adaptation alone. But after continuing on into the manga, it quickly became one of my favorite Shounen series. One of the reasons for this was how wacky the curses were, and how Toji was introduced into the story. Before this, I liked Maki a lot, but after her transformation, yeah, I had my favorite character in the series. If Toji were around, it would be a toss up between the two, but this way, Maki takes it for me easily.
can we take a second to appreciate the thumbnail art?
I'm looking for the link lol
Great analysis! I wasn't a big fan of this manga/anime in the beginning but after rereading/rewatching some things I really appreciate each characters individuality in the story.
You kept me watching this video for half an hour lol, you're good!
Aye i appreciate that thank you
just found this channel out and is amazing
Super happy to hear that
Toji and maki feels like they are kenpachi in jjk. they can cut everything and fight with brute strength
They would have to have a vast amount of cursed energy to be like Kenpachi though.
More like what Aizen thought Dangai Ichigo was....
More like just characters with annoying sets of powers that makes them exceptionally easy not to be killed until they get killed by a heavy hitting attack
More like Dangai Ichigo.
@@mattmetawolf8634 They are like Pokémons with great Physical stats, Speed and good covers but they aren't close to the level of been "Invencible"
Great video!!! :D
i gotta know who did the thumbnail art for this video cuz goddam! it’s fire
I dont think Maki got faster than curse Naoya there since that wouldn't make much sense and the story doesn't depict it as such. What occurs is that Maki, due to her second awakening, can now better perceive and predict Naoya's movements. Hence why he is so frustrated because he should be speed blitzing her but since she can now perceive every aspect of the environment around her (even the souls of inanimate objects) she cannot be touched by him.
Read the chapter again maki was literally running away and against naoya and even with his increased speed he couldn't touch maki her speed and her perceptions both increases
Both things can coexist. She can predict and move faster than naoya. Like maki is in the air and avoids a full speed attack from naoya in a second. If you aren't close to someone in speed you won't be able to avoid like this even if you can predict they movements. Distance matters
@@wu3037 >Both things can coexist. She can predict and move faster than naoya.
I mean in this case no? In the example you gave she is capable of seeing and sensing minute changes in the air allow her to dodge midair. Being able to predict something 100% would allow you to dodge i don't see how that wouldn't be the case.
Maki being faster than Naoya would imply that she is capable of going Mach 3 and beyond when she is obviously not. If I know a car will hit me 10sec in advance I would be able to dodge but that does not make me faster than a car cause that would be stupid.
The story outlines this fact and does not show case maki as faster than Naoya in terms of speed but that due to her second awakening (which btw doesn't effect any physical attribute she has other than her perception of the world around her) she is capable of dodging him. Maki is fast af but not faster than curse Naoya in terms of pure speed. Its flawed logic to think that.
@@thegoochinator2246 no in this case it does mean that. Because distance and timeframe matters. We see that maki didn't try to dodge the attack to the attack was really close to her. If you avoid a attack point blank in the air you are faster than that thing. It's like six eyes that gojo have makes so time moves slower. But only because time moves slower for him doesn't mean that he isn't way faster then toji because he avoid all of his attack's point blank. Again distance and timeframe matters
Why is she obviously not as fast as mach 3. Yeah true but if you try to avoid the car one second before it hits you and you succeed then yes you are relative to that car ln speed. But if you try to avoid the car like 10 seconds before it hits you then yeah you not relative to that car in speed
That's not true it does effect her physical strength. We know from the hanami fight if you stop ignoring your instincts your soul stop being constrained and you get stronger. This also makes sense because kenjaku says your soul is your body except for some special cases like mahito. After maki fought against the sumo dude she started to feel more free and fight more with her instincts just like toji does. So her soul stop being constrained and she got stronger
there's a panel where she is literally shown moving faster than him, he tries to attack her, she moves out the way, he goes past and then she catches up to him from behind him, so she had to be moving faster than him
Your video editing is really improving man. Keep up the good work
Aye! A Jujutsu Kaisen video while having Danganronpa music playing in the background. 🔥
The editing is off the charts
Video idea: How about a colony vs battle? All the fighters / curse spirits in an colony will be a team work together to fight the others colony. Would be super interesting. At first sendai colony looks like the clear winner but the others has some insane fighters too.
Ooh, I disagree with that. I think Sendai vs Tokyo N. 2 gets really rough, and so does Sakurajima (which is just Maki, basically, lol). Tokyo N.1 is the only clear loser imo, but Takaba could still bring a clutch. I very much like the idea, though
@@MultiWar22 Tokyo no 1 is where yuji is right
@@Heavenly_Demon_God yes. Tokyo n.1 is Yuji's, Tokyo n.2 is Hakari's, Sendai is Yuta's and Sakurajima is Maki's.
Also, if the original proposition means the state we find the colony in, not the current state, then Sakurajima and Sendai are even more dangerous than I was giving credit for. Kurourushi + Dhruv and Naoya are definitely worthy threats
@@MultiWar22 my idea is that everyone alive or dead participate in this hypothetical battle. Its cooler that way.
@@MultiWar22 also technically speaking, we can add sukuna in as well. Since everyone is working together right lmao 😂
The editing and art is really nice in this video
this is an amazing video
Great video, perfect editing
U can tell ronin been vsb training he successfully contended every argument I heard on the topic so far
Maki being this generations Toji is so cool, like the super fucking strong human who can even give gojo a run for his money. I love characters who are just super skilled with no power/lesspower compared to the rest of the cast.
Teen pre awakened gojo
current gojo would smoke both maki and toji no diff
@@user-zz1sk5go5i no one said he wouldn't
@carltonrainey4758 your comment literally said would give Gojo a run for his money and didn't specify which version of Gojo. Without specifying people will just have to assume it's their latest version
@@carltonrainey4758maki glazers
lmao your editor's goated
You fucking spittin
Yeah it's not really worth the discussion, its pretty clear hanami just one shots with solar beam.
hanami found an HM. hanami learned dig. hanami used dig! hanami survived purple.
Well they have to charge up for two turns so idk if that counts as a one shot.
@@yukotrey9422 this was such a satisfying exchange.
@@yukotrey9422 a one shot means it hits once and beats them
@@yukotrey9422 well, there is Jogo who can set up sun
Actually fully realised awakened Maki was reacting to Naoya because she could sense the air changes, Naoya couldnt properly build up speed cuz Maki was right behind him and he wanted to lose her
Just gotta say that Toji and Jogo survived a red from two different Gojo's
Gojo from ten years ago znd Gojo ten years of training and a domain later... Should work for Jogo's durability but result is the same. Great vid
Who made the art for the the thumbnail, it is amazing
I forgot I wasn’t just watching a maki scalling video after awhile😅
One day Yuji will get that CT, and be the OP protagonist we want him to be, but Maki is a great stand in until then👍🏾
I can't wait till we can have this for for yuji and megumi
‘View the River Styx’ I recognize Demetori anywhere. I’ve been listened to them everyday since 2015🤘❤
Amazing video and love the thumbnail!!
Should link the thumbnail artists in the description.
Remember when Gojo said “I want you, or rather, all of you, to be able to beat _that.”_ about Jogo?
Well, how many of the students *now* could realistically take Jogo?
-Maki and Yuta definitely, maybe Hakari too.
_-Maybe_ Itadori.
Just the fact that I can even say DEFINITELY for two of them, and give an honest MAYBE for two more, speaks volumes about their growth as sorcerers.
Gojo would be proud.
How could itadori win sgainst jogo?
@@kakashihatake6176 well obviously sukuna but also if he slams him with black flashes by the authors own words it will kill him if he hits him that is
What is maki doing to jogo ? Maki=toji=3 finger sukuna holding back.
Jogo=9 finger sukuna. Jogo blitzes and smacks maki's head off. Do the math➕
@@eli.0006 It ain't that simple homie
Maki can't beat Jogo and Itadori does not even stand a chance
Yuta definitely can and Hakari probably if he gets jackpot
coming back to this video after Gojo vs Sukuna, the fact Togo survived a red and with minor injuries is an amazing feat
Awesome!
I don’t know if I agree. I think it comes down to Toji’s poor performance against teen gojo. He had to wear Gojo down to even have a chance. And Jogo crushes teen Gojo. I think that the Jogo Hanami durability statement definitely makes all JJK scaling weird considering he took a point blank red blast. And red is stronger than blue. I just don’t think Maki can overcome all of the disaster curses together. Maybe everyone one on one. But as a group I think they beat Maki 8/10 times
Jogo would get bodied slammed by teen gojo
Jogo beats teen Gojo because of his domain, which doesn't effect Maki
Toji wasn't even planning on fighting Teen Gojo, he was planning on killing him in one hit and then killing Riko. That's why he tired Gojo first, to finish the mission as quickly as possible.
@@DJ2DARKUserON exactly he even says if him and gojo fight he unsure who would win so they definitely relative. This is a rusty toji aswell
I agree
People want the Shibuya Incident arc animated, but I want to see Toji and Maki being animated. Gege sure knows how to make people hyped, and the anime only made that hype way bigger.
Jujutsu Kaisen is at its peak right now
Real
You should do a Katana Zero video THAT GAME NEEDS MORE LOVE
The funny thing is the thumbnail for this video came out over a year ago and maki literally just did the same attack from the thumbnail to sukuna in the latest chapter after that flipping sukuna over and dodging sukunas world bisecting slash cuz she can see his technique now
Jogo is so weird to scale, he’s ridiculously strong and fast however it’s hard to determine just how strong and fast he is. Yuji scales about right above Nanami (early shibuya) and he was dodging speed of sound attacks while Nanami was perception blitzed. Maki post awakening is Mach 3 and above so Jogo should reasonably be able to tag her and his attacks are even faster, but it’s hard to determine just how much damage it would do but Maki is comfortably around Jogo’s level. Mahito is tricky as in his domain expansion, you’re literally in the palm of his hand and Maki wouldn’t be ignored most likely and purely multipliers wise, Yuji is around Mach 1 and Mahito gets 200% faster so Mach 3. So Mahito and Jogo would be able to tag Maki MOST LIKELY. So while Maki could reasonably beat all the disaster curses 1 on 1 I believe she couldn’t do it 4v1. Also would Dagon really know how fast Jogo is? I don’t think the Naoya being above Mahito scaling is Valid, as Yuji had huge rage and black flash amps against Mahito.
It's easy to know that he isn't losing to Maki.
The goood guys in JJK are so strong now that I'm more concerned for Sukuna and Kenjaku, and btw you weren't kidding about the editing in this video, it was really nice
Umm sukuna and kenjaku pretty much beats everyone on the main team except gojo lol.The only other exceptions being yuta
@@thushar2006 15 finger Sukuna has to be way weaker than Gojo for narrative reasons, maybe Yuta too, specially if he has the techniques of everyone in jujutsu high, and Kenjaku is just Geto times 2 maybe, Maki can take care of him, with some help of course, but I think she can, 20 finger Sukuna and trancesded Kenjaku are a different story though
@@rajaryan4424 Why would 15f sukuna be narratively weaker than gojo.There isn't any specific evidence for that.The man was toying with everyone in shibuya.Kenjaku literally states that Sukuna no matter the fingers is a rival to gojo.Kenjaku isn't also easy to beat,the entire series is literally planned by him.Like I don't see maki fight a multitude of special grades that geto had in his disposal and have enough power to take him down.Like the main cast is strong but none of the has the firepower to take down either kenjaku or sukuna whose we haven't even seen their full abilities yet.Transcended or not kenjaku will kill almost everyone in the main cast except yuta who he doesn't even care about.
@@thushar2006 Why wouldn't he be narratively weaker? Lol you forget Gojo and Sukuna are two abnormalities in the jujutsu world and we have no idea how a full power conflict on both sides would go. "He toyed with everyone In Shibuya" and you think Gojo wouldn't clown everyone in Shibuya either?
"No matter the fingers is a rival to Gojo" he got bitched as one finger. Jogo compared to 8 fingers and Gojo bitched Jogo with way less effort to the point he went and brought Yuji to make an example out of him.
@@UnifiedEntity Well ya that's what I was stating,there was no specified evidence for either being weaker or stronger.The guy above stated that 15f sukuna is narratively weaker than gojo and I replied to that not to mention he stated that the main cast currently is stronger than kenjaku and sukuna which is also untrue.The fact that kenjaku(the most credible source in jujutsu history)stated that sukuna can be used as a contingency not to mention that pre-gojo he considered him the strongest being of all time tells something.Not to mention I never stated that either are stronger,I said they were relative
Maki vs yuta next, im kinda interested
Bro Makis slaughter of the Zen'in clan was the most hype single twist in the manga(i havent read past it yet. But it was so sick.)
Being able to damage the soul directly is especially broken, at least against sorcerers, just because RCT can't deal with it
Fun video!! Also your editor is really frickin skilled.
Yo since I've seen no one ask yet, who did the art for the thumbnail
I think you're not considering Mahito up grade enough, but all and all nice video
I don't agree with your speed scaling of Maki at all because she isn't getting a physical Amp from learning with sumo she gets a perception amp. This just allows her to react to naoya and maybe even know where he's going to be because of the way projection sorcery works how he has to follow the set path.
It’s like Sage mode sensory perception amp in Naruto
15:53 I think that this statement here doesn't prove that she's gotten faster but rather that naobito is confused because he is faster than her but still can't hit her. In other words she didn't get faster but her senses and perception increased allowing her to react to his attacks because right after he says that he speeds past her. Also jogo's domain innately has an extremly hot environment so maki might take damage just from being inside.
R u dumb ????
Naoya literally states himself that he can't touch maki ??? Emphasis on "can't touch"
Maki has insane durability to the point that even if she's in the domain of jogo she would only feel a prick
But then again jogo's domain won't even recognise maki and she won't be affected by the barrier
Nope, She literally dodged Naoya's projection sorcery from curse Naoya which is faster than Naobito's projection sorcery. Domains completely don't affect Maki and Toji, including Jogo's heat domain, Gojo's paralysis domain etc. The domain environment won't affect her.
She was on his tail though so she probably was going at like March 1.5
@@ahmadkazan5473 nah she surpassed Naoya's speed so I would say around mach 2.5
Ngl, for some reason I feel like Naobito is still faster than a fully awakened Maki (post Curse Naoya fight).
Naobito could probably go as fast as Curse Naoya, but due to him being human he has limitations on stacking his CT in a straight up way. I don't think he's behind curse Naoya when it comes to pure agility though.
Or maybe I'm just missing something?
i think that naobito's domain was an exception for targeting only cursed energy users, since Maki was hit by dagon's domain expansion before and she still didn't have CE
No, she still had a little but it was so low that even average non-sorcerers had more CE. ZeninItachi!Maki blatantly has no more CE than a concrete floor or the vacuum of space, namely none at all.
Look I couldn’t resist that reference
would you say toji and makis durability are relative since they both recieved similiar amounts of damage from gojos red
The disaster curse downplay is getting out of hand💀💀
No downplay to be seen here
The thing with damaging the soul is reverse technique has no use to it, you basically will die when you get fatal cut from maki's sword even you're RCT level hakari.
Hakari’s RCT is special. Even with abilities like Mahito’s Idle Transfiguration being a known ability in the story, Hakari is considered to be effectively immortal
I can't wait for s2 of the anime
SHALL WE GET COOKIN
This video would have been so much easier after the sukuna vs maki fights in the recent chapters. Sukuna literally couldn't sense the presence of Maki. Maki asks yuji if he could keep up, she's got immense battle intelligence, she's deadly. She's literally beyond toji at this point.
Shes stated to be equal to Toji
@@mumenrider1908She's not even close to Toji.
Maki wasn't faster than naoya, she didn't get Any faster with her second awakening, she developed observation haki
The term 'functionally faster' comes to mind; its fine she didn't get more physical speed, her new power results in her fighting and reacting to her opponents faster
hearing that a *3 finger* sukuna, scales so hard against these characters, makes me realize just how insanely strong the king is.
Yeah when they said she could perceive the soul I said aloud "Yeah none of the disasters could beat her, at all" and her cursed tool is absolutely BUSTED
She isn't touching Jogo bruh. These r all headcanons.
@@anonisnoone6125she’s definitely blitzing jogo, maki/toji has better speed feats reacting to lightning
@@ktrover9261 Toji couldn't blitz a tired teen Gojo, Toji isn't blitzing the disaster curse know for his speed and destructive power. Maki is about the same as Toji. With soul splitter katana, I think Maki can typically beat Jogo, but it's ludicrous to think that Maki is beating all 4 disaster curses teaming up. Jogo blitzed a tire Nanami and tired pre-HR Maki, but not a tired and injured Naobito (fastest sorcerer other than Gojo). Toji blitzed a tired Megumi. So I think it's not unheard of to assume that Jogo and Toji/Maki are similar in speed. So with 3 teammates, Jogo and his squad should win most of the time against Maki.
Just came back to this discussion a while after this video released, sorry for such a late addition to the comment.
Not to mention Maki has curse resistance, meaning even before her awakening she was very resistant to someone like Jogo’s fire and Mahito’s innate technique.
What is that background music it slaps
Im curious how well will todo n yuji do vs dagon or vs jogo
I don't see maki dogging cursed spirit naoya as a speed thing. I think it's the whole perception thing
It is a perception thing, but in order to actually avoid him she _has_ to be able to keep up with her own perceptions. Meaning that functionally she can blitz and completely avoid anyone on Naoya's level of speed and below
@@BrokenRonin Blitzing Naoya is a stretch. She can avoid him but she never blitzed him
@@jocoolshow I wanted to say the same thing. Naoya was faster in his human form and he is still faster than her in his curse form. Maki fans 😪
@@BrokenRonin U guys r reaching way too much. Ur video also contains stuff that's just headcannon. She can't blitz Naoya.
@@anonisnoone6125 Call her relation to Naoya in speed whatever you want, current Maki can't be touched by him
you should do a updated teir list ranking on strength before the final arc with kenjaku
Id love it.
I’m just watching jjk stuff and not the show, I will but not jet. But that pony tail girl is the new muscle woman? Dang, I could had sworn she would had be a fodder character. Nice!
someone who plays demetori in the opening of their video knows what they're doing.
I dont know why people keep thinking Gojos domain won't affect Maki. Yeah she has no cursed energy but in my mind Unlimited void simply releases information out within the domain, it doesn't target anything or anyone. So as long as you are a conscious being, you will be affected by the domain. That's how I interpretate it at least.
Gojo's domain has a sure hit technique just like Naoya's. That means Toji and Maki won't get affected.
To trap Toji or Maki inside any domain but Sukuna's, they would have to consent. But it doesn't matter. Gojou would blitz and give them both a point blank red to the head 💀
Maki was slower than Naoya, while she still beat him in the fight. Just because Toji could beat Naobito doesn't mean he's faster than him.
In their last fight she wasn't. Naoya literally says he CAN'T hit her. You don't just do that to someone you are slower than.
@@BrokenRonin Maki was physically the same speed she was when Mach 3 Naoya blitzed her. But she has sensory amps akin to Sage Mode in Naruto allowing her to move preemptively. It’s not exactly precog but similar to it as she can feel movements in the air rather than waiting for her eyes to see him
So Maki doesn’t move faster than Naoya. She can dodge people on Naoya’s level but she’s not faster, which is an important distinction in VS battles
@@jocoolshow I wanted to say the same thing bro. Also in annoyed that she said maki was even as fast as human naoya he constantly out skilled and blitzed her throughout the fight. Human naoya was like a level about her in speed alone, aside from the fact he could even get faster. I think his rating was biased.
But it still matters because if she can beat someone that fast, anyone slower is kinda a joke to maki
@@leoabdulkadir7667His rating is definitely biased. Twisting info and creating headcannons doesn't just make her stronger or faster and stronger than characters like Jogo and Naoya.
Here’s the thing about the 0.2 domain. He, Mahito said it was a complete gamble and had he fucked it up by deactivating it to soon or to late he would lose any fight he used It in
Here's an even more interesting match up:
Sendai Colony vs Disaster Spirits
Dhruv, Kuro, Uro, and Ryu vs Dagon, Hanami, Jogo, and Mahito
Match ups:
Dhruv vs Dagon
Hanami vs Ryu
Uro vs Jogo
Kuro vs Mahito
My bets:
Dh vs Da:
Dragon's inexperience against Dhruv would likely cost him a good deal of damage, but overall Dagon has been shown to have a more versatile CT than Dhruv, who can only create Shikigamis that guarantee sure hits from their trails. But that alone would pose a threat against Dagon, if he we overwhelmed by Shikigamis, he'd be taking more overall damage if he can't overpower Dhruv's Shikigamis and keep them from reaching them.
It's a 60:40 match up in Dhruv's favor, but Dagon still has fair odds of winning by technique versatility.
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Uro vs Jogo:
Jogo has the initiation advantage by speed, but Uro has the defensive advantage by being able to deflect his blasts. In a domain battle, Jogo would have the upper hand, since Uro would have to endure smoldering temperatures, which her space warping can't do much against.
Then we have Jogo's Maximum Meteor. Uro may not have the power to deflect a whole meteor, which puts her at a disadvantage.
But Uro has counteroffensive potential against Jogo, especially with her thin ice missile technique, not only able to deflect attacks, warp and disable limbs, but also immediately retaliate with a space shattering physical attack, I'd give her a very slight edge just by being able to avoid a good number of Jogo's offensive attacks.
55:45 in Uro's favor, but Jogo has the raw potency of being able to overwhelm her with sheer power and through thermal attacks, which should at least place Uro at a thermal and psychological disadvantage.
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Kuro vs Mahito:
Kuro has the advantage of swarming Mahito, and has the CE reinforcement strong enough to even fend off Yuta's attacks. But Mahito has the versatility to match Kuro's. Kuro would likely overpower base Mahito, but True Mahito should have the durability to keep up by then, and if he's starting off fresh, as opposed to heavily worn down during his fight with Todo and Yuji, and the fact that Mahito has a domain, Kurourushi would very likely lose if he can't eliminate Mahito fast enough.
85:15 in Mahito's favor.
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Ryu vs Hanami:
To give Hanami a fair chance, since if we're talking just base Hanami, Ryu simply has the raw power to beat the shit out of Hanami, not even mentioning his CE, which likely would tear through Hanami's shell.
But Hanami has an advantage by CT versatility against Ryu's powerful, but narrow versatility CT.
Hanami also has a special attribute and self-imposed binding vow. In respective order: being able to extract CE from organic matter like plants, and not having enough innate CE to unleash a domain.
Ryu would be facing up against:
Brainwashing flowers, CE sucking plants, would conjuring/manipulation, and self-replenshing CE, with a special domain that has a binding vow.
While Hanami likely would lose in a battle of durability, Hanami innately has enough durability to survive a few punches, and if he wasn't holding back, and got to extract Cursed Energy, he may very well have eventually gotten enough CE from the environment to mitigate Ryu's physical attacks to the bare minimum.
Ryu's one advantage is raw power. Power that can overwhelm even Hanami. But that raw power is delicately dealt with by Hanami's more flexible and versatile CT.
Full Potential Hanami vs Ryu is a lot closer of a match-up if Hanami pulls off their set up right.
At best, 65:35 in Hanami's favor. They fight in a lush, organic environment where Hanami can make the most of his potential right off the bat without holding back, with Ryu answering right back with Blasts that can tear through any Defence Hanami tries to raise up.
Without the environment advantage, 85:15 in Ryu's favor. Hanami simply can't land an attack that Ryu wouldn't be able to overpower. Hanami's only fighting chance would be carefully executed attacks with his CE sucking plants and brainwashing flowers. And if Ryu does get caught by either, he's poised to take at least one instance of lethal damage from Hanami. But that's hoping for a lot.
And that's my take.
7:09 actually reverse cursed techniques do a lot of damage to curses when used offensively because it’s doubled cursed energy, But Gojo scaled this attack back because he wanted to interrogate Jogo.
You are partially correct.
Positive energy (which Yuta uses when fighting curses) is enough to kill curses easily. In fact, because it being the direct opposite of curses, that positive energy literally bypasses their durability and can kill them instantly.
Where you are mistaken tho is the actual properties of red. Even tho its a "cursed technique reversal" that is slightly different than outputting positive energy. Gojo actually can't do that up to this point. All he is doing is reversing the output of his technique to push instead of pull
I'm pretty sure gojo can. You know how he revived after getting sliced to ribbons by toji. Yeah reverse cursed technique. You remember where gojo says he's able to run limitless 24/7 because he keeps his brain fresh with reverse cursed technique so he doesn't get worn down which was tojis hole plan to begin with. Not sure what you mean gojo can't because...gojo definitely can.
@@sickaddiction8065 he definitely can, the 6 eyes let him manipulate cursed energy on a atomic level, there’s been different sizes of red every time he uses it.
@𝕸𝖆𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖆 I don't even remember what this video was about but I didn't say anything about healing other people. Just that he can use reverse curse technique. Literally does it 24/7.
Power scaling sounds like a comedy bit
Hope yuji gets some sort of buff tbh want more screen time for him
What’s the name of the music used when you talked about Maki?
I'm from the future, it's Demetori - Higan Retour and Demetori - The Japanese Wilderness the Girl Watched
If Maki = Toji in all atributes then, Jogo tanked a Reversal Red from Adult Gojo, so his durability is AUTOMATICALLY higher than Toji.
Jogo is stronger than 3 Finger Sukuna and STATED to be relative to 8 or 9 of Sukuna's fingers, which makes sense, since a 15 Finger Sukuna praised Jogo for being one the strongest individuals that he fought.
Maximum Meteor can damage 15 Finger Sukuna, so good luck arguing that Maki survives that, which is curious since you didn't mention it, for some reason...
Is this one of those comments before watchin the video or are u slow?
@@williamdozier7138 No, I prefer to be right and speak the truth.
@@tcaveirasI agree with you on the fact of Jogo being more durable based on the red comparison. If we're going by durability, Maki's weapon would def still be able to kill jogo however. Also double the fact that she is faster than him (or at least equal) and that advantage only increases with her premonition to, which would allow her to avoid his attacks. When getting into max meteor, I'm pretty sure Maki would be able to avoid it pretty easily. Hell, even panda and that other grade 1 sorcerer guy were able to avoid it despite Sukuna not allowing to move for a bit. If the other curse spirits restrained Maki, they could have a chance of killing her with max meteor but i don't think her speed and premonition would allow for that.
well, it seems that gojo can manipulate the way he uses red, because in the fight against toji it's seen as a direct beam whereas against jogo it was just a blast going in all directions, being overall way less potent in power, plus toji still tanked it aswell with seemingly minor injuries (head slightly bleeding).
Toji tanked red as well though it might be a different variant
Like 15 fingers sukuna said "if it hit" so good luck arguing maki don't have the speed to evade it.
This is just a question and i agree that maki wins here, but are we sure mahitos domain expansion wouldnt work? The reason most domain expansions dont work is cuz they target cursed energy, but mahitos deformes the soul so wouldnt it work?
I personally think it would work, especially wh you consider that Ryomen Sukuna soul was instantly touched by the second Itadori went inside the Domain. Maki would affected by it and Will have no way to defend herself from iddle Transfiguration there.
crazy to think that maki after the naoya fight was moving at over 3x the speed of sound
Actual downgrade 💀
I do agree with the outcome of the video, but I really feel as if Maki's speed is overexaggerated here when compared to Naoya - I don't personally think of her dodging him as a speed feat but instead a showcase of her evolved senses which would make sense as Naoya moving at mach speeds would create a change in air pressure that she would definitely be able to read.
Aren’t all Domain Expansions “sure hit”? Even if some don’t directly damage, you still have to participate in the domain (obviously excluding when someone overpowers a domain with their own).
For example, Hiromi Higuruma’s domain doesn’t directly deal damage, however it’s still a sure hit because Yuji was forced to participate in the trial. Unless I’m misunderstanding the use of the term “sure hit”.
"Sure hit" within the context of JJK domains typically just means 'offensive attack that will always hit your target'
Ones with more complex rules to play by like Hakari's and Higuruma's fit in a different category simply because they have certain requirements to fill in order to activate the domains true ability
Bro do you even read the page that explain the difference between old style domain and modern style domain just right after Higuruma used his domain ? Like bruh do you even read...
@@BrokenRonin sure hits are found in every complete domain even harmless ones. Hakari and higuruma's domains also had surehits, in the case of hakari's domain it's the info-dump you get at the start of the domain expansion. What you are talking about is the "sure-hit sure-kill".
@@mrterrific2323 I agreed with what you're saying i think its just a different use of words rn.
When I say sure hit, I'm typically referring to deadly attacks that can't miss their opponent.
Anything else, like say Higuruma's or Hakari's, while always "landing" dont really attack much
The only thing I’ve given a shit about since ch150-152 is what would maki do and where her power would scale.
I have been FED these last few chapters.
Thank you for being brave enough for making a Maki power scale video even though her feats keep changing every other chapter!!!
While, I do think the disaster curses tend to be severely under ranked.
Like, only one of their DE expansions was going to body a special grade 1, and others easily had it not been for a third party.
A lot of the characters being compared like Maki is an absolute beast, especially if we consider that Yuji was going to body Mahito.
But a factor for Mahito that people seem to forget, is that very very very few characters could actually damage the soul, and by taking that away from him would be like taking away Gino’s ultimate defense.
The other thing that has to be considered is their synergy. Maki wouldn’t have this problem, but if the nature disaster, used his CE absorption during the oceans DE, you’re pretty much just fucked.
As you’re going to defend yourself from the sure hit.
Let’s also not forget, this was Kenjaku’s starting line up against Gojo + Everyone.
While he knew they couldn’t beat Gojo, he’s just the god of the series, so even delaying him and making him think/react is a legit feat.
2:01 Gege really said you’re gonna be slow and weak
This makes no sense when you consider that Tojo couldn't tag Gojo after he came back to life and that same Gojo wasn't speed blitzing the special grades in the underground
1. Gojo underground isn't able to use his techniques which amp his speed.
2. Gojo literally blitzes both of them
Well toji did rush gojo is a straight line,a very predictable approach that megumi almost countered.