For the entire series people have been commenting about the potential of megumi's technique, Gojo himself stating that a previous user of the 10 shadows was able to match a six eyes+limitless user, but for the majority of the series megumii's technique felt like a bag of mixed tricks rather than a godly ability like Gojo's techniques. The fact that Sukuna was able to win the fight pretty much only using 10 shadows finally demonstrates how broken the ability is.
I'm pretty sure everyone found the transition from Gojo standing triumphant in one panel to finding him in heaven, then transitioning to his dead body was jarring. And it seems Gege realized that in his author comment, Potentially we either get another chapter to fill in the gaps or BR's smokedemon begins to cook
I think an off screen death keeps Gojo's image intact. What would Gege draw? Gojo making a face and falling off the bottom half of his body? Or Gojo having a slow death as Sukuna slowly cut his body in half?
Ngl that’s the only reason I reckon he’ll be resurrected. If he was to be killed they would have shown sukuna do the business just like in inventory arc.
well, he didn't mention anything about his student and only mentioned sukuna and how he is not even trying that hard. and Sukuna is going to massacre all of his beloved students, the future that he is trying to build. Among all the people Gojo is probably the one who understands the most of what will happen if he dies. Respect your opinion but I think that even the dialogue is not that good, it just makes Gojo from a good and benevolent teacher to a hard-headed that only craves power and fun, which completely contradicts everything that has built up for Gojo from the start. Gojo is goofy, but also responsible, and chapter 236 not only ends him off-screen but screws his character overall.
@@kunal3485 praising sukuna and zero mention about his student, crazy. This guy he praising and said that is still holding back gonna murder all of his student lol. Peak fiction- top tier writing
225 was my favorite chapter of the fight, I’ve never seen a power system handled so well that it allows for an entire chapter of characters debating how these two abilities will interact. All that build up just for Sukuna to easily destroy Gojo’s domain and slice his neck. Also I always read it that they did tell Gojo about the open domain, but even Gojo had no idea what they would actually do so he only had one option, to just try it and see what would happen
Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is so convinced he wasn't told about it. Nobody in that room even knows how an open domain would interact with a closed one, so it's not like Gojo would have done anything differently either way. It only came into play because the refinement of the two domains was equal (which is such a rare scenario). If Gojo gets into a domain battle with Kenjaku for example, he would simply overpower Kenny before the open barrier even plays a role. So it's very likely Gojo knew, I don't see the argument that he didn't.
@@vayne-he9yi The reason some of us think he had no idea is coz when choso brought up this thing of open domain, everyone was surprised by that and they even said it was impossible. So why would everyone be surprised about something they already discussed but, I do agree that even if Gojo knew he would stll try to open his own domain and see wassup
@@MindlessMenace Why not? What would Gojo have done differently whether he knew or not. Either way it comes down to who has more refinement so it's no different to a standard domain clash in that way. It's not like anyone in the room would know how the domain clash between open and closed wouild go. It's not hard to believe that Yuji personally told Gojo during the month time skip.
14:20 Just to play devil’s advocate here, I think Yuji chose not mention Sukuna having an open barrier domain because he didn’t understand its significance.
I did sorta expect for Gojo to toss Sukuna around, but what I REALLY wanted was to see them toss Maximum Techniques, create new abilities with a myriad of effects in them, possibly bring out new Domain Types, etc. The fight mostly boiled down to a back-and-forth of both Gojo and Sukuna beating the shit out of each other until the final attack was delivered. Gojo clutching Malevolent Shrine was hype
@@xtcy00 That’s the Record Of Ragnarock format in a nutshell: dominate the majority of the fight then the other character turns around and wipes. That’s why I had a gut feeling Gojo would lose, especially with how many times he said he’d win, but I wanted to see how Sukuna did it in detail, and not get King Crimson’d to the afterlife scene the very next chapter.
isn't that how writing counters to abilities work in general? just like he just made up an ability that nearly makes Gojo invincible. when you write in fiction you usually make shit up.@@brandonjablasone7544
I loved this fight, probably my favorite from the series, the only thing i didn't like was the "Sukuna was holding back" moment, because this implies that Gojo never had a chance, and he surpassed his limits for nothing
@@gabington8990nah, implication from throughout the series is that he’s arguably stronger now, as the fingers grow in power everyday. But I do believe he wasn’t holding back any actual physical strength but techniques that aren’t really effective against Gojo, but for anyone else it would be. That’s my take on it. I also think Gojo and Kusakabe are unreliable sources for this since from Gojo’s perspective he just got one shotted by cleave and most likely didn’t hear a single thing Sukuna said, so he probably just assumed Sukuna had that cleave from the start or something similar, and Kusakabe was just theorizing since it would be the most logical way he can think of for Sukuna to approach the battle. Especially when we have statements from Sukuna contrasting Gojo’s statements saying that without Mahoraga’s adaptation he probably wouldn’t have won, it brings Kusakabe and Gojo’s beliefs into question.
Sadly, the fanbase ruined this fight for me. Now, the choreography and mind games from both sides was amazing. The reveals about cursed energy, and the characterization were really solid, but the fans on both sides of the fight decided to turn to whole thing into a pissing match, calling the entire series ruined, or worse, sending death threats. It’s hard enjoying something when the people surrounding that thing are so insanely annoying.
I liked the part where you mentioned the mindsets these 2 had before coming in the fight. Its not like Gojo wasn't trying to win but its just that he wasn't as desperate as Sukuna. Sukuna did EVERYTHING right. Trying to adapt to UV, not using Mahoraga until the perfect moment. He had Gojo noted down and used perfect tactics against him. Whereas for Gojo, he threw what he could even ignoring the damage that he's causing to himself (he def didn't think he had a random nosebleed). He used Hollow Purple at the very start, he was just excited to throw everything which is why he was looking for validation from Sukuna like when he used Falling Blossom Emotion. As for Sukuna, he was different. he could've spammed Shikigamis, could've spammed dismantles, could've used an unadapted Mahoraga just to get more assist but he didn't cuz his main objective was to kill Gojo and not just cure his loneliness. All an all this isn't trying to powerscale. Sukuna was more calculative than Gojo, still my man did a really good job even when the opponent knew all his cards.
@@MindlessMenace gojo said that he threw everything he cultivated against sukuna and wished to share with him the love of an equal battle. He wished to prove himself to sukuna.
@@itsyaboy9829 This is so gross considering this is the same Sukuna that mind fucked and tortured both Yuji AND Megumi. Gojo is a trash mentor as of chapter 236.
@@MindlessMenace He said "I learned this as a kid but didn't use it much after mastering my domain, not bad right?" , after using falling blossom emotion.
In terms how you felt about the lack of personality I felt the complete opposite. While I felt like we could've gotten more if we traded out some of the peanut gallery's exchanges for Gojo and Sukuna's thoughts and dialogue, I feel like their body language and facial expressions really went above and beyond this fight. We've seen worry and joy to degrees we haven't seen these characters display before because they were both simply too damn strong in their fights. Gojo and Sukuna both we're having more fun in that fight than they have in the entire series because they seriously pushed each other. Gege really showed that with the drawings rather than the dialogue like you were hoping for.
The problem isn't that Gojo lost. I think everyone expected him to die. The problem is the way he died and then the diminishing of everything he did, seemingly without any reason or showings to back up that Sukuna was actually holding back.
@@ryomensukuna4526no one said that, they're talking about Gojo's contributions being lacking in the plot, and Gojo's character does indeed mostly end when he fucking bites the dust, genius
I think what made the true difference in this battle wasn't their stats and skill but their experience. We see that when they domain clash they are equal when they throw hand they are equal when they fight using curse technics they are equal. They both have unlimited stamina they can both surprise and outbox each other they can both break established rules and push sorcery to its limits and beyond but what made the true difference was their knowledge and understanding of the nature of curses and cursed energy. Gojo has the six eyes and with that comes supreme understanding and control of curse energy but sukuna is over a thousand years old he not only has greater control and understanding of curse energy then Gojo but greater knowledge and verity in his cursed Arsenal and application of that course energy that is why he could adapt and bypass infinity that is why he can pick up a new curse technic and use it better then all it's users ever have that is why every time Gojo seemed to do thee impossible sukuna matched him by doing the Same and that is why he is the king of all curses. If Gojo had a thousand years he would have won no doubt in my mind but he only had 28 and despite the sheere gap in knowledge and experience he was still able to go toe to toe with the king of all curses and even make him nervous that alone speaks volumes of his talent and strength. Rip Gojo satoru you are the Honored one and we will never forget you
I’m surprised a lot of people still get this wrong. Sukuna is from a 1,000 years ago, but his actual age isn’t 1,000+ years. He’s most likely around the same as Gojo if anything.
@@shoomertSukuna died of old age and had his corpse mummified. He likely had a few people eat his fingers between the Heian Era and now to witness even more cursed techniques
No matter what else you may think of the series as whole, you can't deny that this fight is one of the most iconic in the medium. Not many people were sure he would be able to meet the audience's expectations but Gege really outdid himself with this one.
Bro you COOKED with this video. Kudos good sir. Also I really hope its explained later on why none of the sorcerers mentioned Sukuna's Barrier less Domain to Satoru prior to the fight.
Sukuna being able to use Max elephant's water without summoning it was something that foreshadowed him using mahoraga's adaptation as a blueprint since the consciousness seems to be shared between him and his shikigami The moment Gojo's loss was solidified was the moment mahoraga successfully sliced through gojo's infinity cause that showed sukuna exactly how to do it He does state that mahoraga was capable of altering the very essence of it's cursed energy in order to neutralize infinity but that was something sukuna was unable to do But the moment mahoraga could use dismantle to slice through gojo's infinity, sukuna finally knew what had to be done to finally beat Gojo It seems sudden on a weekly reading basis But once you reread it, you'll see just how early it was put into motion
A chapter or 2 of sukuna slowly figuring out how to adapt his slashes to infinity as well as showing gojo getting more fatigued and moving slower would have been nice cause now u just having gojo being offed from an advantageous position. Especially when hes been shown to have had the speed advantage for most of the fight and is now amped on top of it. So sukuna instantly blitzing him while weak makes no sense. And gege probably knew it looked really bad so he just put in the part saying sukuna was holding back as an explanation but all that means is sukuna is incompetent cause he put himself into alot of bad situations multiple times just to test maho i guess which also goes against his character since we know hes prideful and wont let himself look bad on propose.
You were not paying attention, Sukuna's cleave is fast as hell the very first cleave he threw a Gojo. Gojo had to turn around and see what the hell Sukuna had done because he saw the building behind him slashed and Gojo put two and two together. Gojo was not only further way in that panel and couldn't dodge it especially if he had to turn around because he couldnt see what had happened. Meaning at the range Gojo was at as soon as Cleave was adapted it was over.
@@NothingnessKingcleave was never seen to be able to adapt like that. It can only cut objects and people based on cursed energy. It has never been foreshadowed to be able to target space
I've been looking for a measured take on this fight for weeks, feeling insane that people have been so down on it because people just. Don't know how to handle the emotional position of reading weekly manga. Thank you for having such a good perspective. What I WILL say, though, is that I think it's not unintentional that the dialogue goes towards characterizing the peanut gallery and their understandings of jujutsu and the fight itself. Gojo and Sukuna exchange barbs but at the end of the day, as the strongest of their eras, they're conversing THROUGH jujutsu. Fights are dialogue too and their back and forth with domains and fists help them speak to each other more directly than words have ever touched them. Are there some raw things Gojo could've said? Sure! But the fact that he improvised an on the fly Hollow Purple responding to Sukuna's moves in just such a way to have him experience its full force all to get him to realize just how much fun jujutsu is says just as much as a stray line of dialogue imo. In a genre like battle shonen where fights do so much to characterize people, I think its important to remember that conflict is conversation.
BROKEN, your vids are amazing, your scripting and pacing are incredible and your attention to detail and covering of the themes is profound 👌 another banger (:
Brilliant explanation, it’s like mahoraga keeps adapting until it finds the simplest way to deal wit something , kinda how a phone update makes certain tasks simpler that required many steps before
I agree with this video wholeheartedly. With the magnitude of the fight, am sure that people wanted it to be more like the most important battle in the series. But the fight does it’s job as a steppingstone for the next gen. Gege has the opportunity to show use Gojo’s sacrifice as a boost for each of the students, since they also watched the fight. The future is bright
I believe there is truly something to be said of the 2 strongest people of their respective eras, only being able to find solace within each other. In a way, Sukuna was able to reach out Gojo, if only through his technique and Gojo was finally relieved of the burden that came with his strength. I truly am looking forward to future of this series, if only to see what becomes of our beloved students and the generation they will surely represent.
@@SemekiIzuiothey did find solace. Gojo gave everything he had in this fight against sukuna and enjoyed the fight. Sukuna said that he'll never forget gojo till the day he dies. Their love reached each other.
@@itsyaboy9829 Not it did not. Gojo gave everything he had yes and yet Sukuna held back, Gojos "love" did not reach Sukuna. We even get a panel in Gojo afterlife "if anyone can teach him about love...." it is left open ended because it has not been revealed yet (its obvious Yuuji tho)
@@SemekiIzuioyou are wrong, sukuna letting gojo schedule the date for their fight was his respect and admiration for strength To him a hierarchy not based on power is meaningless so he always respects strength but it's just that to sukuna him fighting and killing gojo is respect in itself and that is exactly why he calls gojo and kashimo greedy, by fighting gojo he is already fulfilling his wish and showing his respect and love
Personally as someone on team Gojo I actually loved the way Gege did this. Narrativly we knew Gojo couldnt win win, but many had hope he would just be nerfed or something to that effect. So Gege killing him the way he did was a great way to get a genuine gut punch to all of us because no 1 was ready for what happened and when it happened
The gojo vs sukuna fight felt like a pathfinder society player explaining why their character is so min/maxed it could fight the tarrasque. And I mean that in the most minimizing way possible
Sukuna's barrierless DE & his ability to do anything just by watching it be done were the things that killed Gojo. His lack of info on these 2 things that were overlooked as minor details became a big enough difference in deciding a winner in a battle of the strongest that was toe to toe throughout the entirety of the battle. These 2 details led by Sukuna's battle experience were what had eventually reached someone who had always been untouchable. What a battle
I think chapter 236 adds context to the entire fight and made me reevaluate why it was presented the way it was: two gods of the verse, whom nobody (except possibly Kashimo, the "God of Lightning") can understand, trying to comprehend not only their techniques, but the two personalities and minds at play. For a while, I was wondering about what kind of emotion these two were feeling, the lack of animosity between them, but in light of 236 where Gojo explains that even his attempts at humor (in the TCB translations I think) were done in an attempt to reach Sukuna (to assuage Gojo's own unbearable burden of loneliness), gave me an incredible moment of clarity. They don't hate each other at all, they want to fight, they want to experience living. Calling Gojo a meathead because he enjoys fighting is disingenuous, just like Kashimo isn't a meathead, nor is Sukuna. Think about what are cursed techniques? Something to do with your brain, something to do with your soul. We exist in this world mind, body, soul entirely. For them to enjoy fighting, the expression of their soul and their way of interacting and viewing the world, is to enjoy living.
I think there's an important aspect about the way sukuna was able to cut gojo from a narrative standpoint. The story consistently lays down the thesis that the strongest are the greediest and most selfish, therefore the most isolated. While gojo still had some inclination both toward the approval of sukuna himself and his colleagues, sukuna developed a technique to cut into 'existence' itself, which essentially means seeing himself apart from - and against - everything. It seems very intentional that we're shown those things on the same chapter. Yeah gojo was kind of a psycho, but still a guy with bonds and people to look after. Sukuna has now become a curse who sees literally everything as something to cut. And without a challenger like Gojo, he is probably at his loneliest, putting the story at the perfect and most extreme spot to really prove or disprove that thesis. And since you CANNOT defeat sukuna in a battle of greed, there's gotta be another way.
@@melkdoesart It's not a title bro, just the path to be the strongest. Sukuna, Gojo and Kashimo all emphasize this notion throughout the story. Think Nanamin mentioning that Sukuna only lives for himself, or when Gojo tells Megumin to be greedier, or Sukuna telling Jogo he should've burnt everything in his path, or Kashimo not retreating from an impossible situation cause 'that's how losers think'. But since you've mentioned titles, think about the notion of gojo proclaiming himself to be the one and only 'honored one', a title Sukuna also had in his time. It's all in our face.
@@HenriqueRLima-vz7ny sukuna was called the honored on by others tho not himself? Edit:- gege himself stated he was the honored one Gojos the self proclaimed one if i say I'm elon musk does that make the elon musk? Ofc not the same goes for gojo. Gojo just put up and act saying he's the strongest he'll win so his students don't feel demotivated like a good sensei that's all
Even if everyone including Gojo knew about sukuna has a barrierless DE no one would have thought that their sure-hit effect potencies will be equal in strength. In chapter 230 sukuna states that "Next time I will close the barrier of my domain and you will have nowhere to run" that means sukuna uses a barrierless domain that provides an escape route, this drastically increases the range of guaranteed hit through the compensation law of a Binding vow. Open DE only has advantage when the sure-hits are equal.
Over a year ago, I came on your twitch stream and called that Sukuna's domain would counter Gojo's I called Gojo a fraud Honoured One and said he'd lose and now here we are. My man became the Severed One
Hey Ronin, do you think that after breaking Gojo's domain in the first domain clash, sukuna could've just chopped his head with his slash as we know his ct allows him to throw slashes even without his domain so in his domain where gojo has no infinity shouldn't he just chop his head the way he did to geto's daughters in the recent episode (*from a total power scaling pov) Edit : is that what gojo meant by sukuna holding back & not giving it his all).
I think my problem with this chapter is not the individual points/explanations/insight that we get. It’s more the combination of them all to justify what happened. After reading this fight back I start to think what was the point of sukuna getting 10 shadows from a writing perspective? The obvious answer is that he needed mahoraga to show him how to use cleave to target existence and bypass infinity. But that explanation implies that this is technically something he potentially could’ve thought of on his own. Then we get into the idea that sukuna is so strong that nobody could reach him and he is lonely at the top. If this is true then again why would Gege give him the 10 shadows? A blatant power up. Cause then we see gojo say that he probably couldn’t beat sukuna even without the 10 shadows. I understand the argument that sukuna is a villain of course he is going to do everything he can to win including fight dirty but to me that doesn’t make sense if he’s supposed to be lonely at the top, you would think it would be a situation more like kenpachi where he would try to make things as challenging as possible to enjoy the fight the most. That to me would mean using his own abilities and trying to figure out a way past gojo’s CT on his own. I’m definitely rambling but I feel like there’s a good amount of contradictions embedded here that I haven’t seen people piece together so maybe I’m missing something
Yuji's body was a prison. So bro needed to pull a jail break, it is implied that there is a gap between Gojo and Sukuna but it isn't wide enough for Sukuna to get away with killing Gojo and not getting immediately one tapped by the students so bro saw the chess piece that allows him freedom, a win possibility combined with survival, and a chance to get even stronger. Realistically he'd be a fool not to do it.
@@holymoly-ii6of "Tbh I'm underwhelmed with the reveal that Sukuna only wanted the 10S to use Mahoraga to figure out a counter to infinity (something which apparently he can possibly still do on his own )" This was never stated/revealed, just that Sukuna's STRATEGY for this fight in particular, given that he had Mahoraga in his arsenal, was that he chose this way to learn how to "strip Gojo of his scales" i.e. his infinity. Not that he could've never learned otherwise, which is in line with Sukuna stating he would defeat Gojo before he ever took interest in Megumi.
@@quincybenwood5331he didn’t. He only knew that domain amplification and domain expansion would get through. He legit states that he needed maho to figure out how to bypass infinity with any of his non physical or domain attacks. Ppl say sukuna is the smartest because he as able to copy a shikigami whose ability allows it to adapt to all phenomena, not because he somehow figured it out prior
Sukuna never said that he was lonely at the top and wanted to be reached. All Sukuna cares about is his pleasure and displeasure. He doesn’t care about the title “strongest” he only cares about the title of “winner”. For example if base sukuna no 10s had a 70% chance of winning but sukuna with 10s had a 90% chance he’s taking the 10s every time. Nowhere that I can remember states that Sukuna would nerf himself to make a fight “entertaining “
I’m still not sure what my overall thoughts are on the fight, but it was cool seeing the jjk community interact as the chapters of the fight came out weekly.
32:44 I completely agree on the dialogue between characters part, i knew the fight was missing smth i just couldnt put my fingers on it till now, maybe cuz i was too drenched in the hype of the leaks dropping each week lol. Although it didnt lessen the fights value that much for me imo, it did lack smth that i didnt notice at first, like the i am u moment yuji had or the just this once with yuta, its like the fight was missing a "dessert" part but was still peak n full of surprise for me
13:45 I dont think that knowing if Sukuna had an open or closed domain mattered. Gojo has absolutely no experience at all fighting an open domain prior to this point, and Sukuna is such a master at manipulating cursed energy that it probably didn't matter if Gojo knew about it or not. I think he'd *always* have to adapt on the fly regardless, which is why we didn't get panels of Gojo being told Sukuna's domain was an open one.
My only issue with the conclusion of this fight is that it was not consistent with the rest of the battle, feeling more like an ass pull rather than foreshadow. If I understood this correctly, Sukuna’s cut was not stronger, it didn’t have “more power”, it just was able to bypass infinity completely. The thing is, if that is the case, then sukuna shouldn’t be able to hit kill gojo with 1 slash. During the domain clashes, when Sukuna was able to trap gojo in his domain, he cut gojo several times, and as we know, the sure hit effect of domains negate curse techniques. I would even argue that the cuts inside the domain should theoretically be stronger since it was established in the story that once inside a domain, the user gets a passive buff on his powers. Having that in mind plus the fact that apparently gojo had his curse energy completely replenished and was also in the zone (making his senses hit the max), I still can’t understand how that cut was enough to kill gojo. I know that who stated that was an outside sorcerer (and we know that sometimes those statements may be incorrect) but I still can’t find any sense in affirming that and then killing him off. It would have made way more sense if the story made you believe that gojo was in a vulnerable state before the slash and not at full power (he was arguably at 120% giving the sequence of black flashes).
I think the characters analyzing and discussing the fight, although it disrupts the action, is important because it let's the readers know that the cast is studying/understanding the fight/abilities of sukuna as well as the damage he sustains. They did say that the plan is to jump sukuna if ever gojo loses. Aside from exposition, it let's the readers know that gojo can definitely lose and the team is preparing for it.
With respect to the idea no one told Gojo about Sukuna's domain being without barrier: I see it more as he could have had the general knowledge but to witness it utilizing the six eyes grant an understanding of a technique that second hand knowledge cannot - so he needed "exposure therapy" to adapt/acclimate to malevolent shrine, so to speak.
Or maybe he thought that Sukuna’s domain, even if it is open, will not expand beyond his barrier. After all, Gojo had no experience with an open domain.
Yuji also just may not have understood what it was or it’s significance. The domain was explained that chapter but explanation was said by the narrator not sukuna.
They all got shocked at the idea They didn't know Yuji saw the domain but remember domains look huge from inside and was mentally broken Inumaki saw his arm gone but how he gonna know it was a domain It was choso after hearing multiple povs that he SUGGESTED that MAYBE sukuna doesn't have a barrier closed
Sukuna cutting through Gojo's limitless like butter after seeing what happened when Jogo *and* Hanami simultaneously tried the exact same thing is a really overlooked part of this fight I feel. Also I don't know if telling Gojo about Sukunas' barrier less domain expansion would've mattered or help because nobody in the cast has seen a barrier less domain interact with a domain with a barrier at this point anyway.
As much as I wanna fight Gege (Gege when I catch you Gege) he’s made an incredible series and one hell of a fight. You can especially see this with how distraught people (me) are with Gojo’s inevitable death. I’m the last person who wants to come to terms with it but it was necessary. He couldn’t be the one to take down Sukuna, this isn’t his story. From the moment this fight was prophesied, I think everyone knew this was where Gojo would end. Quite literally, Sukuna has always been pure evil. There’s no tragic backstory, just someone who was born to devour. He’s always been the opposite of someone like Yuuji. His fated enemy. It’s been a month and my thoughts are honestly still a mess and my heart a wreck which honestly is a testimony to Gege’s incredible character and world building. So this is all my thoughts can muster up at the moment :,)
This very high stakes fight if Gege doesn't re-explain important stuff fans wouldve forgotten some key informations because of the reading comprehension curse
It was a really great fight until the end all gege had to do was show us a few scenes of Sukuna attacking Gojo with a spacial slash instead of that abrupt and offscreen transition to Gojo dying
Unless u wanted to see Gojo's upper half falling then there was nothing to see. Go back to chapter 234 when Mahoraga did the same attack Sukuna did. All we see is the wheel turning and Gojo's arm gone. We don't see any slash hit Gojo or nothing. It's just gone. So even when it was on screen there was nothing to see.
@@Huh-oh3mx that’s wrong. Why are slashing attacks deemed as boring? So every sword fight in anime should be offscreened? Should every Sukuna fight be offscreen now since he mostly does slashing attacks?
@@richjuin9504 yeah but does it matter? does it change anything about the ending of Gojo? It would literally be a panel of Gojo getting sliced - that's it, that's all you missed I like the way Gege narrated it from Gojo's POV - he's winning then suddenly he's in a dreamworld (same as Jogo in that sense) Gojo doesn't know what happened, he simply knows he's been defeated - you flashback to reality and you see Gojo's decimated body standing there
@@richjuin9504 Exactly. I don't get why some people are okay with that attack being offscreen. It was a KILLING BLOW. Don't you think we deserve to have some kind of warning before hand? Just a few panels would've been enough.
@@richjuin9504 Some things are better left to imagination. I'm positive that no matter what Gege did, no drawing of his could fully encapsulate the deathly killing blow Sukuna dealt at the very climax of the battle. Thus, instead of drawing that final blow, he drew everything _surrounding_ it, and allowed us to infer in the final detail. Maybe there was a better way to handle it, idk I'm not a mangaka, but imo it definitely wasn't showing Gojo's body splitting in half. The instant cut to Gojo's dreamworld perfectly portrays how sudden and quick his death was, how one minute he's on a battlefield and the next its all over. I dont think any drawing could have provided the same result.
I dont know if this is valid to say but i hate the way the fight ended not because gojo died i actually wanted that to happen but its because it basically took place off panel and i cant help but hate that But overall it was a good fight and i thibk this video was also really good keep up the good work
10 Shadows was probably the safest option for Sakuna to beat Gojo. If he has no hidden technique to use against Infinity his best bet without 10 Shadows would be to win the Domain Battle. It would be a Sakuna going all in the Domain Battle, not wasting resources on 10 Shadows like he did in the fight, and perhaps make sacrifices if needed like a binding vow to give up his domain after killing Gojo.
Anyone still upset with this fight I would suggest try rereading it all. Week to week made me upset here and there, but going at it all in one go was much more enjoyable and made me see things I missed.
Sukuna holding back plus Gojo getting off screened ruins the fight for me. Sukuna holding back was completely unnecessary from a narrative perspective. There are two in the universe mechanics that could have him go from 10% to 120% easily. He has RTC to heal any physical wounds Gojo leaves on him and he could have pulled off a black flash to bring out 120 % of his potential and bring his curse energy output back up. So why does he need to be holding back unless he's just that much stronger than Gojo? If that's true then I can't look at the fight the same. And yes I am a Gojo stand but I always knew he had to die for the narrative.
All I want in the coming chapters is a REASON, from both a narrative and logical perspective for Gojo's unsealing. Because at this point it seems like all he succeeded in doing was making Sukuna even more broken. Is Sukuna permanently maimed from the fight? Did he give his students some hyper training in the timeskip that's going to pay off later? I know the gang didn't just break that boy out the box just to sit there and watch him die on pay-per-view...
Theory time - gojo will make a binding wow to never use his cursed technique again to survive the fight . Then when kashimo and sukuna are fighting he will regroup with his students, get his brain healed up by yuta Then he will use unlimited void one last time on his students , giving them all the information he had learnt from the fight But doing so he will break the binding vow and end up dieing or something worse
every jjk fan needs to watch this video, this was masterful. the one thing ill add is that Nanami's statement was the truth. While Gojo *does* care about saving people (he would not have expressed relief when ichiji told him all the humans exposed to UV had made a full recovery otherwise) and raising strong allies to change the corrupt jujutsu world, those are all things he does *because* he is a jujutsu sorcerer. Hes a *jujutsu sorcerer* because he enjoys it. Its for his own satisfaction. Nanami wasn't rejecting Gojo's ideals, he was just stating how he was different from everyone else.
As much as Gojo's loss hurts, I would be completely fine with it had that off-screen uno reverse not happen. And Gojo basically calling himself a loser just seemed really out of character imo.
Yeah. Thats what I'm saying. Most youtubers just pretend its ok for views and most fans just love dick riding the author. Especially after him getting sealed. He had this same attitude of "everything will be fine. My students can deal with it" before getting sealed and look where it landed. Sukuna causing havoc and mass murder, taking over Megumi, entire culling games, higher ups turning on the main cast. The main casts entire goal through culling games was to release Gojo because they were so hopeless on their own. Remember when people believed that Gojo would go mad or berserk after being released due to everything that happened? And now after all that, he still has the same attitude. Like he learned nothing from the last time. Everything went to shit the last time I was sealed that the whole crew's main goal was to release me because they were so hopeless. Now let me just die on them and leave them the same way as before. Also, lets laugh and enjoy as if everyone I loved is not doomed and talk about myself like a loser. In the words of Sukuna himself, "Spoken like a true loser".
@Ntnt11 Now that you mention that, that brings up another issue with his death. How the hell are main cast suppose to do anything about Kenjaku and Tengen (and now Sukuna) when the one man who could start turning things around is now dead and apparently never even had a chance of beating Sukuna in the first place (bs I say)
@@TheUmbralWolf Also why is Yuta sitting on his ass and not on his way to heal his sensei xD. Only good at kissing curses and bullying his junior it seems.
@Ntnt11 I keep telling sukuna fans I'm not mad gojo lost. It's simply dissapointing HOW he lost. But they strawman it everytime to " I know your favorite character dying is sad!" Lol 1) They are trolling 2) they love groin riding Gege These youTubers act like everything it's fine when it's not regarding (minor writing points) because 1)They themselves aren't sure what gege will do regarding the plot & don't want to seem stupid in the future granted their expectations are wrong. Look at how they acted when they thought gojo won...they liked the writing....LOOK at sukuna now....they also like the writing MOSTLY(not all) of whatever gege does they will "like" & praise or claim confusion to find middle ground for whatever they dislike These RUclipsrs don't want dislikes and people clicking off their videos in dissapointment. Less viewer retention and algorithm push They don't want to shit on a series that makes them views and patreon members aswell. People may cancel patreon subs n stuff if the Fandom that follows them starts unsubbing
@@Ntnt11you have to keep in mind That these videos are ALOT of these RUclipsrs JOBS Or at least PART time if they have below 100K So they will try to find a reasonable way to maintain their audience and won't always speak 100% truth... or they will give the truth...but just won't offer up certain information Such as the flaws. They'll only draw attention to positives.
Really liked the video. Well done. I agree with you on a lot of the points but what I wanted to discuss was the “character flare” and peanut gallery commentary.. like you said at the end of the video I do think the true value of all of that was to show how much the students were paying attention and how much and why they learned to be more creative and free. I think this is especially true for Yuta since his entire understanding of RCE has changed and he fundamentally had a misunderstanding of it. Cause I think he trained in the last month to learn how to copy the 6 eyes and how they will inevitably foil kenjaku again…. But that’s for another day…. I think as it comes to the no personality not only is it fully in Sakuna character it highlight the theme of the fight….. Sakuna vs bug lady was weak cause everyone thought she was a weirdo but she introduced one of the most important themes. And even as we look into kashimo fight Sakuna is opening by saying essentially you talk alot. I don’t think he enters battle with any intent of opening up, of trying to understand or be understood. He intention is linear and focused… to unalive his opponent. He never even explains his CT ever. Unlike almost all bad guys I’m cartoons. He never runs his mouth or explains his plan. So he was never going to give you character. You did highlight in your video how Sakuna was really only nervous when Gojo output retuned. I think we didn’t get much inside his mind because as you said… Sakuna was in control the whole time and I think that would have made it anticlimactic if at every turn Sakuna goes “just as I planned”…. It also highlights as you said how Gojo was never the guy to show Sakuna about love and Gojo talks about this as says he put everything including his humor….. I think that this criticism will be challenged when Sakuna fights Yugi/Megumi….. he will go all out and he will open up
i dont think the cast didnt warn gojo about sukunas barrierless domain, BUT instead gojo didnt know how it would interact with hes own domain. there was only 1 way to find out since the concept of a barrierless domain is super rare and gojo had never encountered one. chapter 235 was TOP tier fiction like you said! the enchanting, the creative way gojo pulled of the last hollow purple, mahoraga being adapter to blue... PEAK! aaaaaand all it just be thrown out the window by chapter 236. the latest chapter makes it feel like everything we saw before had been forgotten. gojo talks about sukuna not going all out, but sukuna literally said that if gojo pulled of another hollow purple, it would be fatal... then we see him smiling on 236 like he just brushed off that hollow purple. SUKUNA also says that every curse technique has a spark, WHY didnt gojo see that spark specially with hes USELESS six eyes!??? why didnt he sense that final cleave?
Facts bro. I swear all of a Sudden the Godly perception of the six eyes became completely useless... he was obviously the strongest limitless user plus six eyes, AND on a black flash amp which gives you a deeper understanding of the core of curse energy... none of that came in to play 😂😂 very poor writing and basic willingness to ignore previous concepts mentioned in the story lmao
That is true. It realy rubs me off when gege is trying to imply that even withou 10 shadow, sukuna can still beat gojo, its his way to downplay gojo so the remaining characters will have a chance to surpass gojo for them to be able to beat sukuna.
@@vincenterskine3216 it’s wild!!! Those six eyes NEVER came into play! Like he saw megumis soul in sukuna in 1 panel?? Like no fucking shit he’s soul is in there dude! That ain’t a flex! I swear sukuna must have the 12 eyes cuz he was the one making all the analyses about curse energy
As for the cleave, he didnt dodge the one from Mahoraga so why would he able to dodge sukunas? From what I understand of the technique it seems that the space cut bypassed infinity by materializing within that given space/plane of existence, rather than traveling like a projectile. And so for him to be able to dodge a cut that simply appeared in hit torso, he would have needed future sight
236 made the fight go from the two gods of the verse going all out in a battle to the death, to a kind of meh battle that had no real stakes, all it did was completely downplay the entire fight. You could argue that since Gojo doesn't actually know how Sukuna won his statement could be wrong, but until we see Sukuna's train of thought that's just headcanon. Anyway, you know the ending is bad when you kill your most beloved character off screen and leave both parties disappointed.
There is still a lot of arguements about whether Sukuna could have won the fight without megumi's technique. I think that he could have. Sukuna went in to the fight with a different mentality than gojo. He wanted to grow stronger than he was before and the key to that was mahoraga. He planned on using mahoraga from the very beginning. He took hits from infinite void purposefully over 5 domain clashes taking it so that mahoraga could adapt and get it out of the way. But that becomes a problem when gojo exceeds expectation and damages his brain to the point where he cant use the domain either. If Sukuna were to be in Yuji's body having full control over him even then he would have won. Sukuna, knowing that he cannot take any hits from infinite void would be much more cautious. The 1st domain battle, sukuna wins and destroys gojo and gojo he heals his technique back to the second battle. This time gojo inverted the conditions making the outside barrier stronger than the inside but sukuna in megumi's body took a risk of destroying it from the outside rather than the inside, gojo didn't understand why he took that risk until chapter 230. In Yuji's body he would be able to destroy the domain again from the inside and then outside and hurt gojo again with the oncoming slashes of malevolent shrine. After this they kept slugging it out with sukuna seeming slowing down healing and losing hand to hand. But if this happened when he is in Yuji's body he would realize that he is slowing down. This was when mahoraga first appeared which happened because Sukuna wanted mahoraga to adapt to it. If he didn't have mahoraga he could just use domain amplification to negate gojo's domain and place his own domain. As this happens again and again Sukuna would be able to endure it more since he had to destroy his brain and heal it less than gojo. Sukuna would not have taken any prior hits from infinite void either therefore would not have had as much damage while gojo would be worse off. Gojo would lose the ability to open his domain and Sukuna would still have it. Sukuna could close his barriers and have killed gojo in the domain. Even if gojo does open his domain once more Sukuna would not have had as much damage to his brain as in 230 it stated that because of so many hits from the domain Sukuna could not use his domain either. Plus he also had a full extra life where he turned to curse form. I can only make assumptions here but this transformation could also heal his brain and domain and he would be able to use his domain while gojo can't.
hopefully this your first million view video because this was really well done & probably your best so far. though i wont ever let gege off the hook for off-screening gojo, this video was the only thing that’s brought me closure since i read 236. 10/10
I'm just realizing that in Gojo's afterlife scene, all deceased people who had some type of connection to Gojo are there...except for Nobara...Could have been an oversight from Gege or it could be she survived?
I think during this fight declaring Gojo the winner at the end then offing him off screen was Gege's way of saying, "See this is the problem I created for myself, he is way too strong". He just wanted to showcase the character he made even though now with upgraded Sukuna he may have possibly written himself into a corner as now there is nothing Sukuna cannot cut. Granted Sukuna cannot recover as we see his arm hasn't recovered or his face. It was interesting also hearing Gojo thinking he might still lose even if ten shadows wasn't there (granted I don’t think he knows Sukuna compensated to be at full strength) while on the other hand Sukuna acknowledging Maharoga (Dad) as a magnificent role model for him to be able to learn a technique that was even incredible difficult for him to pull off. As a Gojo fan, I am glad Gojo was able to die with a smile on his face and Sukuna probably will see Gojo as the only person to ever match him. Thunder god ain’t on their levels
Thanks Ronin, you and Mere have a much more open minded logical opinions. I agree on the lack of character to character dialogue and inner monologue in certain panels. The only one I can remember was Gojo wondering why Maho wasnt being summoned then it slowly we get less and less dialogue and monologue. Also want to point out at first Gojo also came with the mindeset to save Megumi by breaking Sukuna body. Then that was completely thrown out the window along with any mention from Gojo in the afterlife. I dont really get it, it did feel like a 180 to Gojo character not so much the death or the fight I can only look foward to Yuuta now, all the daddies are gone or will be 😔 Good Luck Yuuta
As a big fan of the series this has quickly becoming my favorite fight in the manga because it was a true battle of the strongest and none of the other fights come close to it at all
Gojo was hurt by Hollow Purple because its a BS OP attack skill. Isn’t it a creation destroying attack that erases everything? Sakuna called it lethal for even him and is Gojo's ultimate attack. Its not surprising it can erase even Infinity. Its the only move Sakuna had no real method of overcoming. If Gojo didn't need any prep time and could spam it Sakuna would have lost. Sakuna's space slash. Maharaga first adapted to Infinity, then went further to come up with a way to use Cleave to get through Infinity. When Maharaga slashed Gojo with Cleave it showed a model of a technique Sakuna could use. So Sakuna didn't learn adaption, he learned the slashing technique to overcome Infinity.
All we know is it's imaginary mass. The way meat riders scale it is based on real life theories so trying to scale it that way isn't really valid. All we know is it's really strong and can kill people easily 😂
@@CurseOxuin reverse cursed energy only flips the technique on its head. By making it powerd by positive energy and not cursed energy. That isn't what sukuna did. He made his CT target space out of nowhere It had never been foreshadowed that it can effect space. In fact Sukana slashes gets misscaluted all the time
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yet they never foreshadow it no? out of nowhere? have you forgotten the whole Mahoraga blueprint or something?it's a simple cleave, if Mahoraga can do it why do you think the King of Curses can't? I can also say the same with cleave, it only flips the technique on its head, rather than targeting the enemy it's targeting the space instead so what's your point?
To be honest I thought Akutami would let Gojo win and loose the six eyes. That way Kenjaku would be the big bad he always wanted to be. I agree the hype was greater than the actual fight itself. I just wanted to know how it ends
Bt how can kenjaku who's isn't stated to be the strongest can kill and at least put up a fight against gojo and all of the students combined also kashimo ?? What about him gojo winning is the most dumbass thing to say 🗿
33:42 THANK YOU HOLY SHIT To me this fight wasn't bad (8/10 for me it's a good fight) but I wish there were more "I'm Him" type lines you know the ones like you mentioned it feels so strange how these two didn't really have that fight quote compared to other top series fights it's a damn shame too cuz when you factor in the personality of both of them, there SHOULD be cinematic lines; those hard ass bars that would make Twitter lose their shit but it just never happens! It's a shame this fight just lacks the personality that JJK fights normally have; it's just two action figures smashing against each other
I think people forget that just because someone loses a fight doesn't suddenly make them "worse" or "over hyped." They met someone "stronger" and/or more "talented" then them and they lost the battle of strength. But i say Gojo just won the battle of "will." He gave his students wisdom and strength to carry on his will after his death and we see that happening. We can only hope his students live on to teach the next generation after them.
@@tejiriamrasa3258right?? The bad guys seem to really have upper hand here and now sukuna seems unstoppable with this new attack. I really don’t know what to expect going forward
@@bibitoastits now Sukuna, Kenjaku, and Uraume VS Kashimo, Hakari, Yuta, Maki, Yuji, and maybe Megumi. Sukuna and Kenjaku both seems like they could solo the main crew. Kenjaku 1v2 Yuki and Choso and walked it off. Even Yuta, Hakari, and Maki beating Kenjaku 3v1 is a stretch. How the hell are they going to beat Sukuna and Uraume. Uraume can and has already frozen Maki before. The dude is clearly strong af as well. Sukuna still has his entire CT reveal left to use as well.
The jokes about clown sukuna are not because he played dirty. But because he was taking shit and gloating even after almost dying and having to rely on 10 shadows cause he had no clue how to defeat gojo. His plan was basically making time while 10 shadows gave him a clue. Which does not correlate with how cocky he was.
Great video, I think I agree with all your points for the most part. For me, the weekly fanfare made this fight 10x better than it actually is. Not to say that it was a bad fight, but it definitely isn’t the best fight in the series so far. I wish we got more dialogue between Gojo and Sukuna or even just a few more panels of what they were thinking as the fight went on. Regardless what ranking I give the fight as a whole, it’s undeniable the hype that’s created whenever you have two powerhouses clash no matter what series it is. I don’t think I’ve been as hype for a fight, reading weekly, since Meliodas vs Noon Escanor lmao but I also rarely keep up with ongoing series as they release. The biggest nitpick I have with the fight is the conclusion. I’m a huge Gojo fan, but I wasn’t expecting him to destroy Sukuna by any means. I’m also a huge Sukuna fan so my problem definitely isn’t with the final outcome. I just think the final sequence was poorly done. Going from one page of “Gojo wins” to instant death / afterlife kinda ruined the end for me. I would rather it of been a few panels of dialogue, Sukuna makes a ending remark / small attack motion, and then go into the afterlife sequence. It would’ve sit better with me if that was the case. Hell, you could’ve even had Sukuna giving his explanation of adaptation first and then go about having the afterlife conversation. Just mix the panels around basically. Still just as sudden, unexpected, etc but it would just read better imo. Either way, I enjoyed the fight and am honestly more excited for the future of the series than I was before this fight even started.
E so called adaption doesn't make sense. Since when can Sukana slashes change their nature like that? From targeting objects and people based on their cursed energy to cutting space? There is no foreshadowing for such ability. 8n fact there is only anti foreshadowing for it as sukuna constantly misculactes his slashes
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yeah man idk what any of that has to do with my comment lmao. I was commenting on how the fight was laid out in the final part not if the attacks made any sense. I personally don’t like the way Sukuna won, but “since when can Sukuna’s slashes change nature like that?” - since last chapter I guess. When was it said he can’t change the nature of his slashes? Why didn’t Sukuna full power cleave thru Gojo after the first domain clash? Who knows.
@@dblsomeday I think the reason this space cutting slash cleaved through Gojo but the others didn’t is because it can cut through anything. If you’ve seen Black Clover it probably works like Dimension Slash we’re it can cut through anything no matter the durability. So when Sukuna slashed Gojos’s infinity it fallowed through and cut Gojo
I don't mind Gojo dying but I feel like the fight should've ended more evenly. Gojo is fighting at a disadvantage the entire fight and he has to outsmart sukuna at every turn just to keep the fight going and then sukuna just pulls out a space cleave off screen and is revealed to apparently not have been giving it his all. Gojo should've beat sukuna, proving he's the "strongest" but sukuna pulls out a trick, either his ct or yozuru gift, to come out the winner. Gojo wins in spirit but sukuna is more focused on survival and winning in general. Also sukuna is way to powerful to be taken down now without an ass pull, Gojo was op but restricted by being a hero but sukuna is stronger and doesn't have this hindrances.
I agree. Saying Sukuna was holding back makes it harder for us to believe he’ll get a legitimate defeat without an asspull, and possibly harder for Gege to write that final battle. If Gojo and Sukuna were fairly equal with Sukuna winning by a margin, the bar for our heroes to meet wouldn’t have moved.
Hear me out. I agree with everything you’ve mentioned about Gojo and his selfishness to look for the thrill in a battle just as Netero was. This is fight is very similar to Netero vs Meruems battle, it’s almost identical. The most obvious attack being hollow purple, it is comparable to Neteros last trump card. We know that Sukuna wasn’t finished but what if hollow purple has a post effect, it’s just taking slowly killing sukuna, like it did with Meruem. Now it’s just a matter of time remaining on his life, but he’s still very dangerous so everyone’s gets a turn with him until he inevitably dies. I think the close you are to hollow purple the more damage you take, this might be why Gojo actually took damage and was weaken enough for sukuna to kill with the last blow. We know that the closer you are to purple the higher the damage.
The ending of this fight was inconsistent with everything we have witnessed so far. It was like Gojo was fighting to enjoy this fight, it was all about the pleasure not protecting something valuable to you. He not only went out like fodder, but he didn't even express any faith or concern that his students will be butchered next. It was so anticlimactic
@@kevinnigins9488 you missed my point. I am not talking about how he was killed. I am talking about the execution of his death. It was pathetically poor. I don't care what anyone says, Gege is human, he is bound to make mistakes. To me, he completely messed up that chapter.
I guess my biggest criticism with this fight is that it ultimately did nothing to advance the story in some way. No new plot points were revealed. None of the many, MANY loose threads were expanded upon. None of the characters' goals have changed. We ended the fight in the same narrative position where we started, only team good guy is down 1 fighter and team bad guy lost a chunk of its health bar. This fight, for all its technical intricacies, can be boiled down to, 'they fight, Gojo looses'. It just feels disappointing that, given 2ish months to prepare the best plan the heroes could come up with was apply Satoru Gojo to the problem and hope it goes away.
Damn, your videos are so good! I Have an issue with this finishing move of sukuna's though. If he learned how to slice space when mahoraga cut gojo's arm, why did he wait until after gojo released the unlimited hollow?
You probably won’t see this, but I think you’re a great content creator, I use to watch your Anime X what ifs, and now I’m watching your jjk vids years later, keep on creating bro your gonna be super big one day
To be honest I have no problems with Gojo dying, at least from a narrative standpoint. It's HOW he died that got me and most people HEATED. Here are my 4 main points that warrant the outrage: 1. At the end of Ch 235 we were left off with a Gojo looking Triumphant and a Sukuna who's in a very bad spot. Only for Ch 236 to hit us with Gojo being greeted by his dead friends and the next panel of Gojo's cut off torso. It was like they forgot to put the cause and process, only leaving the Effect. I legit thought I skipped a page or two. 2. "He would've beaten me even without Megumi's 10 Shadows." Gojo you're my guy but you know damn well that's cap because if that were the case why go through the trouble of body jacking Megumi for a cursed technique that's essentially a shortcut to bypass your Infinity if he could've still found a way by himself? Do you not hear how contradictory that sounds? 3. I believe that we can all agree that its true Sukuna still hasn't revealed all the cards he has (black box, yorozu gift, etc). His victory would've been more believable.....if 90 percent of the whole fight wasn't just Gojo outsmarting him and giving him fatal blows at least 4 times and by the near end of Ch 235 Sukuna being hella nervous and literally shouting for Mahoraga's help, not mention being completely f*cked up after the Hollow Nuke. Even if there were subtle hints that Sukuna was cooking something up they should've made it MORE OBVIOUS to convince us. 4. Out of all the different ways to kill off a major plot-relevant character, Gege just HAD to choose the infamous OFF SCREEN. To end this off, let me give you an example: Imagine Goku was beating the crap out Frieza after none his attacks worked on Goku that's how that Chapter ends. Next Chapter, is just Goku's lifeless corpse. Make any sense to you? Like how do you from intense build-up, exhilarating start, crazy rising action that got you on the edge of your seat, and back & forth falling action. Only for an otherwise bamboozling and confusing ending to come out of nowhere?
But gojo was never beating up sukuna. U guys aren't looking at the details. It didn't matter if gojo was throwing sukuna around when sukuna could use rct, the main objective should have been to get his head of his ody or something anything else and it's useless.
And all the fatal blows gojo was dealing aside from purple were all just digging his own grave First one was the uv, well sukuna had mahorag to destroy gojos domain which took that uv card out. Next was probably the blackflash which I should add is luck and skill but people fail to mention that and all it did was allow mahorag to adapt, next was the purple, now this one was actually because sukuna overestimated gojo. Sure gojo landed purple and sukuna before said that would be fatal but that was because he thought a 200% purple was around 120% purple but in reality there was still 80% more power. Then he says if he even gets hit with 100% it would be fatal and that's a 20% difference from what he thought he would get hit with but in actuality rhe difference between the stronger purple and the current one was 100%. He overestimated the attack and thought he would die to it. But in the end his plan prevailed. I'd like to say gojo is still the strongest but sukuna is the smartest, being the strongest doesn't mean u will win
I'm trying to see multiple different types of chimeras a complete totality and strategy used by megumi. That'd be cool if megumi could copy sukuna as in the way sukuna uses water for piercing blood..I wonder if megumi would be able to use mahas positive blade? I think that'd be a cool cqc ability for him
@@rushpatriot2866 the biggest ability that really gets my hype as of right now is hes way of cloning himself🤩😱 he is very good at martial arts i want to see him and hes own shadows kicking ass🤩🤩 and if he masters hes cursed techniqes i want to see him use the technique and go to the opponent at the same time, that would make toji proud🤩 also hes potential is sepctaculer he can easily surpass gojo
The reason gojo's hollow purple hit him is because it was his own attack. The way gojos infinity works with it needing to be a attack aimed at him or directed at him, so that he can manipulate the space would be the reason his own attack hits him. Because it one wasn't aimed at him two was his own attack and since it was his "win con" he didn't view it as a threat as well. In my opinion it makes complete sense for gojos purple to hurt him, also i am extremely worried for gojo even if he isn't dead, as sukuna could just cut him in half again now that he understands infinity.
I'm so tired of people throwing out "off screened" or "asspull" etc. We saw 99.9% of the fight. It wasn't like they started and then Gojo was dead. We missed basically a full page spread of Gojo getting slashed and his body falling to the ground. We saw the before and after. The events leading up to that point were either foreshadowed or straight up shown/told to us. This ending was meant to be jarring and frustrating. Any possible ending was going to be frustrating or just boring. Good writing can be frustrating.
Im just a bit confused as to why people are pissed that Sukuna developed a new method of winning this fight when Gojo was doing it the entire time. Stuff like shrinking and remaking the concepts of his domain out of nowhere were said to be impossible, but we accept it because it's Gojo. But then Sukuna makes a new method on the fly and now it's plot armour
I think they're pissed because of the off screen death + Gojo glazing Sukuna, me personally don't care how Gojo die but I understand why people were pissed about the way he died. I am also curious how the main cast get a power up after this, cuz without an asspull/power buff they're pretty much fucked.
Agree Chapter 228 is actually the most important point in this fight. Sukuna had the option to destroy unlimited void from inside. He could've avoided the 3 min fight this way and would never get hit with unlimited void. But at the same time, it's guaranteed that gojo would always get a brain damage after 5 continuous domain expansions. So after domain clashes, gojo would be facing a sukuna who can use domain, while he wouldn't be able to. Gojo's RCT output would also be dropping rapidly. The reason sukuna didn't go for it is probably because staying inside unlimited void for a longer period of time was beneficial for the adaptation process. Gojo and sukuna confirmed that adaptation is gradual. If you read chapter 229, you can see that gojo is actively using limitless to thrash around sukuna inside the domain. It means sukuna even stopped using domain amplification inside domain. This is probably why gojo mentioned he's unsure he could beat sukuna even if he didn't have ten shadows
I think the difference, at least for me, was that Gojo was always on the back foot. Sukuna always had the advantage whether that's his open domain, ten shadows, mahoraga, yozorhu gift, his secret ct. Gojo's powers were already well known so he had to be creative to even the playing field. Sukuna just pulls it out of nowhere and it ends the fight instead of just prolonging the fight.
Because they're bias meat riders. Look around social media in chapter reviews leaks and reactions for this whole fight and you'll be able to smell the hypocrisy seeping from your screen. A ton of people were arguing and praising with just emotion they weren't logical or self aware of what they were saying.
I just wonder this: if Sukuna wasn't giving it his all against Gojo, why the need to depict Gojo as utterly dominant in pretty much every area of jujutsu sorcery? The fight could have appeared much closer which would make Gojo's loss seem less contrived. Everyone is so caught off guard because the visuals and circumstances showed one thing and the end result and some dialog show another. It's hard to reconcile the incongruity.
Yeah it feels like those statements are directly contradicted by what we saw throughout the fight and were just included to make readers hype up Sukuna more. Feels odd
Hi! I agree with both of you, i feel like with just not putting gojo say those dialogues the conclussion to the fight would be much better, and more accepted than this one. Just more clarity overall on the dialogues and that's it
Because Gojo's weakness is his arrogance. We saw it vs toji, We saw it when he was sealed by kenjaku. All the enemy needs is for him to be tired and seem in a winning position.
sukunas style of fighting against gojo was a passive one..he sat back..observed and adapted...so he essentially let gojo show all his arsenal while doing whats just necessary to stop himself from being severely damaged
@madhav_rao_chad Except the part where he was knocked unconscious. Or the part where Mahoraga was killed and he limped out with half his body disintegrated.
I feel that the lack of dialogue and the “peanut gallery” constantly going off is used as a way to show not only the loneliness at the top but also to show that those two were closer to absolute forces of nature or natural disasters when fighting each other rather than fighters battling it out, Gojos comrades during the fight seemed like spectators to a ufc event rather than comrades. The fear of Gojo losing always had this tone of “oh god what’re we gonna do about sukuna if he loses?” Rather than “my friend/teacher/comrade is going to die” Yuta obviously had that panel of being absolutely pissed after Gojo died but for the most part to me it felt as if they treated the fight like a recording of people they didn’t know. The two of them were truly alone in that fight, none of the surrounding consequences or circumstances mattered at that moment it’s like Gege put them in a narrative domain. They didn’t care about what was going to happen afterwards, all they could focus on was just fighting it out as 2 borderline psychotic forces of nature that practically waved away everything that would restrict any other sorcerer or any other curse.
I liked when Sukuna threw a fire extinguisher at Gojo
He was too hot for him on god 😩😩😩🥵🥵🥵
It was definitely a highlight for me 😂
I liked when gojo threw rocks at sukuna
Funniest shit I’ve ever seen.
Nah fr tho 😭😭
For the entire series people have been commenting about the potential of megumi's technique, Gojo himself stating that a previous user of the 10 shadows was able to match a six eyes+limitless user, but for the majority of the series megumii's technique felt like a bag of mixed tricks rather than a godly ability like Gojo's techniques. The fact that Sukuna was able to win the fight pretty much only using 10 shadows finally demonstrates how broken the ability is.
That's exactly how I feel. One of the reasons that Sukuna used 10S from a narrative perspective was to show us how potentially powerful Megumi can be.
It was a six eyes user, not a six eyes+limitless user that went against that Mahoraga
@@aleena983don't be a dumbass
@@fdaa3154 also Sukuna as reverse CE
without it he would have died a long time ago
hell he wouldn't have even survived a second domain battle
Well no, in the end it was a combination of the 10 shadows + cleave what won the fight. Mahoraga died and everything.
5:00 100%
Yuji and todo vs mahito is still peak fight for me but this was an amazing demonstration of the power of the two strongest
Same here. Todo appearing at the time yuji was at his lowest and his speech to yuji was perfect. One of the best jjk moments for me
For me at least, I’d say Yuji+Todo/Mahito, Hakari/Kashimo, Yuta/Sendai, and Gojo/Sukuna are a nebulous top 4 whose order fluctuates each reread
@@tishe5269 I think we can forget that
@@ABCDjjw you know ball
my thoughts exactly
I think it’s gonna be wayyyy better in the anime, they just always refine the fights and moments
Most of the time, but that's not what happened for melodias vs escanor
@@eriklavina2828 well we’re not taking about seven deadlyframes
@@50895 they were indeed deadly
@@50895💀💀💀
@@50895Seven deadly frames 😭😭
I'm pretty sure everyone found the transition from Gojo standing triumphant in one panel to finding him in heaven, then transitioning to his dead body was jarring. And it seems Gege realized that in his author comment, Potentially we either get another chapter to fill in the gaps or BR's smokedemon begins to cook
Where’d you see author comments?? I’d like to know what he said
@@bibitoast Gege said that because he took a week break it feels like he skipped a chapter. So a lot of people think he actually did (he didn't)
@@markclinton9088 thanks, I just looked it up. Apparently he’s been getting death threats smh some people are too much
@@bibitoasteh of course he did always happens when a chapter is controversial. The fucktards never go away
@@bibitoastdeath threats dont mean much on the internet from strangers. A 10 yo could be writing those death threats. Its not that serious.
While I'm still iffy on the whole off-screen death I still really think this was a near-perfect conclusion for Gojo. His talk with Getou was great.
I think an off screen death keeps Gojo's image intact. What would Gege draw? Gojo making a face and falling off the bottom half of his body? Or Gojo having a slow death as Sukuna slowly cut his body in half?
Ngl that’s the only reason I reckon he’ll be resurrected. If he was to be killed they would have shown sukuna do the business just like in inventory arc.
well, he didn't mention anything about his student and only mentioned sukuna and how he is not even trying that hard. and Sukuna is going to massacre all of his beloved students, the future that he is trying to build. Among all the people Gojo is probably the one who understands the most of what will happen if he dies. Respect your opinion but I think that even the dialogue is not that good, it just makes Gojo from a good and benevolent teacher to a hard-headed that only craves power and fun, which completely contradicts everything that has built up for Gojo from the start. Gojo is goofy, but also responsible, and chapter 236 not only ends him off-screen but screws his character overall.
It's a great fight but in the last chapter it was lazy writing! U can't deny that why suddenly gojo praising sukuna it's not his character dude lmaooo
@@kunal3485 praising sukuna and zero mention about his student, crazy. This guy he praising and said that is still holding back gonna murder all of his student lol. Peak fiction- top tier writing
225 was my favorite chapter of the fight, I’ve never seen a power system handled so well that it allows for an entire chapter of characters debating how these two abilities will interact. All that build up just for Sukuna to easily destroy Gojo’s domain and slice his neck. Also I always read it that they did tell Gojo about the open domain, but even Gojo had no idea what they would actually do so he only had one option, to just try it and see what would happen
Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is so convinced he wasn't told about it. Nobody in that room even knows how an open domain would interact with a closed one, so it's not like Gojo would have done anything differently either way. It only came into play because the refinement of the two domains was equal (which is such a rare scenario). If Gojo gets into a domain battle with Kenjaku for example, he would simply overpower Kenny before the open barrier even plays a role. So it's very likely Gojo knew, I don't see the argument that he didn't.
@@vayne-he9yi The reason some of us think he had no idea is coz when choso brought up this thing of open domain, everyone was surprised by that and they even said it was impossible. So why would everyone be surprised about something they already discussed but, I do agree that even if Gojo knew he would stll try to open his own domain and see wassup
He obviously didn’t know about it
@@user-kd2rt7xb9git looks like you’re the only one who paid attention
@@MindlessMenace Why not? What would Gojo have done differently whether he knew or not. Either way it comes down to who has more refinement so it's no different to a standard domain clash in that way. It's not like anyone in the room would know how the domain clash between open and closed wouild go. It's not hard to believe that Yuji personally told Gojo during the month time skip.
14:20 Just to play devil’s advocate here, I think Yuji chose not mention Sukuna having an open barrier domain because he didn’t understand its significance.
I did sorta expect for Gojo to toss Sukuna around, but what I REALLY wanted was to see them toss Maximum Techniques, create new abilities with a myriad of effects in them, possibly bring out new Domain Types, etc.
The fight mostly boiled down to a back-and-forth of both Gojo and Sukuna beating the shit out of each other until the final attack was delivered.
Gojo clutching Malevolent Shrine was hype
That’s what I was saying I wanted a 50/50 fight not a 70/30 fight then just switch who’s wining
@@xtcy00 That’s the Record Of Ragnarock format in a nutshell: dominate the majority of the fight then the other character turns around and wipes. That’s why I had a gut feeling Gojo would lose, especially with how many times he said he’d win, but I wanted to see how Sukuna did it in detail, and not get King Crimson’d to the afterlife scene the very next chapter.
@@JohnGlow2 😂😂😂😂ong
@@JohnGlow2the fight was ruin. Gege didn't have anyway for sukuna to by pass infinity so he made one up lol
isn't that how writing counters to abilities work in general? just like he just made up an ability that nearly makes Gojo invincible. when you write in fiction you usually make shit up.@@brandonjablasone7544
Throughout Heaven and Earth I alone am the offscreened one - Satoru Goatjo
I loved this fight, probably my favorite from the series, the only thing i didn't like was the "Sukuna was holding back" moment, because this implies that Gojo never had a chance, and he surpassed his limits for nothing
Same
Yep it felt forced
I think the holding back means Sukuna is not using every arsenal that he has like the black box. Not holding back his strength.
@@crimson9790 I think it was the implication that his body was much weaker than it was in the Heian era, I could be wrong though.
@@gabington8990nah, implication from throughout the series is that he’s arguably stronger now, as the fingers grow in power everyday. But I do believe he wasn’t holding back any actual physical strength but techniques that aren’t really effective against Gojo, but for anyone else it would be. That’s my take on it. I also think Gojo and Kusakabe are unreliable sources for this since from Gojo’s perspective he just got one shotted by cleave and most likely didn’t hear a single thing Sukuna said, so he probably just assumed Sukuna had that cleave from the start or something similar, and Kusakabe was just theorizing since it would be the most logical way he can think of for Sukuna to approach the battle. Especially when we have statements from Sukuna contrasting Gojo’s statements saying that without Mahoraga’s adaptation he probably wouldn’t have won, it brings Kusakabe and Gojo’s beliefs into question.
Sadly, the fanbase ruined this fight for me. Now, the choreography and mind games from both sides was amazing. The reveals about cursed energy, and the characterization were really solid, but the fans on both sides of the fight decided to turn to whole thing into a pissing match, calling the entire series ruined, or worse, sending death threats. It’s hard enjoying something when the people surrounding that thing are so insanely annoying.
The Itachi Sasuke fan base came over and started stanning Gojo and Sukuna instead
I liked the part where you mentioned the mindsets these 2 had before coming in the fight.
Its not like Gojo wasn't trying to win but its just that he wasn't as desperate as Sukuna. Sukuna did EVERYTHING right. Trying to adapt to UV, not using Mahoraga until the perfect moment. He had Gojo noted down and used perfect tactics against him. Whereas for Gojo, he threw what he could even ignoring the damage that he's causing to himself (he def didn't think he had a random nosebleed). He used Hollow Purple at the very start, he was just excited to throw everything which is why he was looking for validation from Sukuna like when he used Falling Blossom Emotion.
As for Sukuna, he was different. he could've spammed Shikigamis, could've spammed dismantles, could've used an unadapted Mahoraga just to get more assist but he didn't cuz his main objective was to kill Gojo and not just cure his loneliness.
All an all this isn't trying to powerscale. Sukuna was more calculative than Gojo, still my man did a really good job even when the opponent knew all his cards.
Where was he looking for validation??
recent chapter #227 when he was talking to geto@@MindlessMenace
@@MindlessMenace gojo said that he threw everything he cultivated against sukuna and wished to share with him the love of an equal battle. He wished to prove himself to sukuna.
@@itsyaboy9829 This is so gross considering this is the same Sukuna that mind fucked and tortured both Yuji AND Megumi. Gojo is a trash mentor as of chapter 236.
@@MindlessMenace He said "I learned this as a kid but didn't use it much after mastering my domain, not bad right?" , after using falling blossom emotion.
Saying gojo “Self proclaimed” the strongest is crazy
Really wild lol
Really dude 😂
In terms how you felt about the lack of personality I felt the complete opposite.
While I felt like we could've gotten more if we traded out some of the peanut gallery's exchanges for Gojo and Sukuna's thoughts and dialogue, I feel like their body language and facial expressions really went above and beyond this fight.
We've seen worry and joy to degrees we haven't seen these characters display before because they were both simply too damn strong in their fights. Gojo and Sukuna both we're having more fun in that fight than they have in the entire series because they seriously pushed each other.
Gege really showed that with the drawings rather than the dialogue like you were hoping for.
The problem isn't that Gojo lost. I think everyone expected him to die. The problem is the way he died and then the diminishing of everything he did, seemingly without any reason or showings to back up that Sukuna was actually holding back.
How about you learn to wait and see for yourself? I know its hard for gojo fans but please do try.
@@ryomensukuna4526try what lol
Wait for what?
@@googilyeyes6397 For the next chapters lil bro. The manga doesn't end when your favorite character dies 💀
@@ryomensukuna4526 no one ever said that's why gojo fans are pissed.
You said that and other sukuna fans lol thats called strawmanning
@@ryomensukuna4526no one said that, they're talking about Gojo's contributions being lacking in the plot, and Gojo's character does indeed mostly end when he fucking bites the dust, genius
Wukuna truly Jujutsu'd Gojo's Kaisen
Fucking love this comment
This is it. This is the comment
Jujutsu is Sukuna we made along the way
I think what made the true difference in this battle wasn't their stats and skill but their experience. We see that when they domain clash they are equal when they throw hand they are equal when they fight using curse technics they are equal. They both have unlimited stamina they can both surprise and outbox each other they can both break established rules and push sorcery to its limits and beyond but what made the true difference was their knowledge and understanding of the nature of curses and cursed energy. Gojo has the six eyes and with that comes supreme understanding and control of curse energy but sukuna is over a thousand years old he not only has greater control and understanding of curse energy then Gojo but greater knowledge and verity in his cursed Arsenal and application of that course energy that is why he could adapt and bypass infinity that is why he can pick up a new curse technic and use it better then all it's users ever have that is why every time Gojo seemed to do thee impossible sukuna matched him by doing the Same and that is why he is the king of all curses.
If Gojo had a thousand years he would have won no doubt in my mind but he only had 28 and despite the sheere gap in knowledge and experience he was still able to go toe to toe with the king of all curses and even make him nervous that alone speaks volumes of his talent and strength.
Rip Gojo satoru you are the Honored one and we will never forget you
hands defo gojo >>>>>>>> but everything else, absolutely.
You get it💯
I’m surprised a lot of people still get this wrong. Sukuna is from a 1,000 years ago, but his actual age isn’t 1,000+ years. He’s most likely around the same as Gojo if anything.
@@shoomertSukuna died of old age and had his corpse mummified. He likely had a few people eat his fingers between the Heian Era and now to witness even more cursed techniques
If gojo had a barrier less domain he would’ve smashed sukuna, so I agree that the difference was their experience showing at the end of the battle.
No matter what else you may think of the series as whole, you can't deny that this fight is one of the most iconic in the medium. Not many people were sure he would be able to meet the audience's expectations but Gege really outdid himself with this one.
Yeah I quite agree. Really excited for Yuji's future.
It was until the ending
@@kennynyc1197 ending was the best part imo lol.
Not really i love jjk but when it comes to iconic fights in manga as a whole that will be remembered for generations this ain't it
Exactly people that have a problem with anything and I mean ANYTHING are just mad because this fight didn’t go how they really wanted it to
Bro you COOKED with this video. Kudos good sir. Also I really hope its explained later on why none of the sorcerers mentioned Sukuna's Barrier less Domain to Satoru prior to the fight.
I appreciate that man, thank you thank you 🙏
And yea I definitely want that explained in some capacity cause its still crazy to think about
17:35 & 29:44 THANK YOU. A RUclipsr who is not just saying things for views. An honest opinion. I wish there were more like this.
Sukuna being able to use Max elephant's water without summoning it was something that foreshadowed him using mahoraga's adaptation as a blueprint since the consciousness seems to be shared between him and his shikigami
The moment Gojo's loss was solidified was the moment mahoraga successfully sliced through gojo's infinity cause that showed sukuna exactly how to do it
He does state that mahoraga was capable of altering the very essence of it's cursed energy in order to neutralize infinity but that was something sukuna was unable to do
But the moment mahoraga could use dismantle to slice through gojo's infinity, sukuna finally knew what had to be done to finally beat Gojo
It seems sudden on a weekly reading basis
But once you reread it, you'll see just how early it was put into motion
It's not even that he needed to bypass infinity. He literally just wanted to. He could have won without doing that
A chapter or 2 of sukuna slowly figuring out how to adapt his slashes to infinity as well as showing gojo getting more fatigued and moving slower would have been nice cause now u just having gojo being offed from an advantageous position. Especially when hes been shown to have had the speed advantage for most of the fight and is now amped on top of it. So sukuna instantly blitzing him while weak makes no sense. And gege probably knew it looked really bad so he just put in the part saying sukuna was holding back as an explanation but all that means is sukuna is incompetent cause he put himself into alot of bad situations multiple times just to test maho i guess which also goes against his character since we know hes prideful and wont let himself look bad on propose.
You were not paying attention, Sukuna's cleave is fast as hell the very first cleave he threw a Gojo. Gojo had to turn around and see what the hell Sukuna had done because he saw the building behind him slashed and Gojo put two and two together. Gojo was not only further way in that panel and couldn't dodge it especially if he had to turn around because he couldnt see what had happened. Meaning at the range Gojo was at as soon as Cleave was adapted it was over.
@@NothingnessKingcleave was never seen to be able to adapt like that.
It can only cut objects and people based on cursed energy.
It has never been foreshadowed to be able to target space
@@NothingnessKing Gojo was never surprised by its speed but why Sukuna used his technique and then missed.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl cleave is for people. dismantle is for inanimated objects
@@MoMo-vt2ij and how do you go from people and objects to cutting space?
I've been looking for a measured take on this fight for weeks, feeling insane that people have been so down on it because people just. Don't know how to handle the emotional position of reading weekly manga. Thank you for having such a good perspective. What I WILL say, though, is that I think it's not unintentional that the dialogue goes towards characterizing the peanut gallery and their understandings of jujutsu and the fight itself.
Gojo and Sukuna exchange barbs but at the end of the day, as the strongest of their eras, they're conversing THROUGH jujutsu. Fights are dialogue too and their back and forth with domains and fists help them speak to each other more directly than words have ever touched them. Are there some raw things Gojo could've said? Sure! But the fact that he improvised an on the fly Hollow Purple responding to Sukuna's moves in just such a way to have him experience its full force all to get him to realize just how much fun jujutsu is says just as much as a stray line of dialogue imo. In a genre like battle shonen where fights do so much to characterize people, I think its important to remember that conflict is conversation.
It's kinda annoying how YOU are the only one to point out that Sukuna's victory wasn't random it was there if you played close attention
BROKEN, your vids are amazing, your scripting and pacing are incredible and your attention to detail and covering of the themes is profound 👌 another banger (:
The alien boy line was honestly the best diss during the fight.
Brilliant explanation, it’s like mahoraga keeps adapting until it finds the simplest way to deal wit something , kinda how a phone update makes certain tasks simpler that required many steps before
I agree with this video wholeheartedly. With the magnitude of the fight, am sure that people wanted it to be more like the most important battle in the series. But the fight does it’s job as a steppingstone for the next gen.
Gege has the opportunity to show use Gojo’s sacrifice as a boost for each of the students, since they also watched the fight.
The future is bright
I believe there is truly something to be said of the 2 strongest people of their respective eras, only being able to find solace within each other.
In a way, Sukuna was able to reach out Gojo, if only through his technique and Gojo was finally relieved of the burden that came with his strength.
I truly am looking forward to future of this series, if only to see what becomes of our beloved students and the generation they will surely represent.
Unfortunately they did not find solace within each other 😂
Gege even tells us Gojo wasnt even close... its stupid but it is what it is
@@SemekiIzuiothey did find solace. Gojo gave everything he had in this fight against sukuna and enjoyed the fight. Sukuna said that he'll never forget gojo till the day he dies. Their love reached each other.
@@itsyaboy9829 Not it did not. Gojo gave everything he had yes and yet Sukuna held back, Gojos "love" did not reach Sukuna. We even get a panel in Gojo afterlife "if anyone can teach him about love...." it is left open ended because it has not been revealed yet (its obvious Yuuji tho)
@@SemekiIzuioyou are wrong, sukuna letting gojo schedule the date for their fight was his respect and admiration for strength
To him a hierarchy not based on power is meaningless so he always respects strength but it's just that to sukuna him fighting and killing gojo is respect in itself and that is exactly why he calls gojo and kashimo greedy, by fighting gojo he is already fulfilling his wish and showing his respect and love
@@darren9678 again Gojo did not reach Sukuna, its literally stated in Gojo Dream chapter
Hands down the best review so far on Gojo vs Sukuna Part 1 fight.
Indeed.
Sukuna ( king of curses) vs Gojo ( the strongest in the modern age )
I absolutely love how you analyze aspects of not just this fight but jjk as a whole. Im engaged throughout each video.
Personally as someone on team Gojo I actually loved the way Gege did this. Narrativly we knew Gojo couldnt win win, but many had hope he would just be nerfed or something to that effect. So Gege killing him the way he did was a great way to get a genuine gut punch to all of us because no 1 was ready for what happened and when it happened
People are used to popular characters never dying so it's come as a shock an immensely popular character gets shut down
Sukuna had a winners mindset he came in this fight with the intentions to win calm calculated and smooth with it
For real against limitless user with six eyes
The gojo vs sukuna fight felt like a pathfinder society player explaining why their character is so min/maxed it could fight the tarrasque.
And I mean that in the most minimizing way possible
Sukuna's barrierless DE & his ability to do anything just by watching it be done were the things that killed Gojo. His lack of info on these 2 things that were overlooked as minor details became a big enough difference in deciding a winner in a battle of the strongest that was toe to toe throughout the entirety of the battle. These 2 details led by Sukuna's battle experience were what had eventually reached someone who had always been untouchable. What a battle
I think chapter 236 adds context to the entire fight and made me reevaluate why it was presented the way it was: two gods of the verse, whom nobody (except possibly Kashimo, the "God of Lightning") can understand, trying to comprehend not only their techniques, but the two personalities and minds at play. For a while, I was wondering about what kind of emotion these two were feeling, the lack of animosity between them, but in light of 236 where Gojo explains that even his attempts at humor (in the TCB translations I think) were done in an attempt to reach Sukuna (to assuage Gojo's own unbearable burden of loneliness), gave me an incredible moment of clarity. They don't hate each other at all, they want to fight, they want to experience living.
Calling Gojo a meathead because he enjoys fighting is disingenuous, just like Kashimo isn't a meathead, nor is Sukuna. Think about what are cursed techniques? Something to do with your brain, something to do with your soul. We exist in this world mind, body, soul entirely. For them to enjoy fighting, the expression of their soul and their way of interacting and viewing the world, is to enjoy living.
I think there's an important aspect about the way sukuna was able to cut gojo from a narrative standpoint. The story consistently lays down the thesis that the strongest are the greediest and most selfish, therefore the most isolated. While gojo still had some inclination both toward the approval of sukuna himself and his colleagues, sukuna developed a technique to cut into 'existence' itself, which essentially means seeing himself apart from - and against - everything. It seems very intentional that we're shown those things on the same chapter. Yeah gojo was kind of a psycho, but still a guy with bonds and people to look after. Sukuna has now become a curse who sees literally everything as something to cut. And without a challenger like Gojo, he is probably at his loneliest, putting the story at the perfect and most extreme spot to really prove or disprove that thesis. And since you CANNOT defeat sukuna in a battle of greed, there's gotta be another way.
Where does this greediest title come from head canon?
@@melkdoesartit's literally mentioned throughout the manga bruh
@@melkdoesart It's not a title bro, just the path to be the strongest. Sukuna, Gojo and Kashimo all emphasize this notion throughout the story. Think Nanamin mentioning that Sukuna only lives for himself, or when Gojo tells Megumin to be greedier, or Sukuna telling Jogo he should've burnt everything in his path, or Kashimo not retreating from an impossible situation cause 'that's how losers think'. But since you've mentioned titles, think about the notion of gojo proclaiming himself to be the one and only 'honored one', a title Sukuna also had in his time. It's all in our face.
@@nandhitanarendratmaja1302 Sukuna is selfish, cold-hearted, immoral, and exceptionally sadistic no where said or stated greedy
@@HenriqueRLima-vz7ny sukuna was called the honored on by others tho not himself?
Edit:- gege himself stated he was the honored one Gojos the self proclaimed one if i say I'm elon musk does that make the elon musk? Ofc not the same goes for gojo. Gojo just put up and act saying he's the strongest he'll win so his students don't feel demotivated like a good sensei that's all
Out of all the videos I've seen I think that this unlike the Gojo Vs Sukuna fight is your best one yet🎉🎉🎉 keep up the good work
Even if everyone including Gojo knew about sukuna has a barrierless DE no one would have thought that their sure-hit effect potencies will be equal in strength.
In chapter 230 sukuna states that "Next time I will close the barrier of my domain and you will have nowhere to run" that means sukuna uses a barrierless domain that provides an escape route, this drastically increases the range of guaranteed hit through the compensation law of a Binding vow.
Open DE only has advantage when the sure-hits are equal.
Over a year ago, I came on your twitch stream and called that Sukuna's domain would counter Gojo's I called Gojo a fraud Honoured One and said he'd lose and now here we are. My man became the Severed One
the domain thing was clearly wrong since gojo's is clearly superior.
Hey Ronin, do you think that after breaking Gojo's domain in the first domain clash, sukuna could've just chopped his head with his slash as we know his ct allows him to throw slashes even without his domain so in his domain where gojo has no infinity shouldn't he just chop his head the way he did to geto's daughters in the recent episode (*from a total power scaling pov)
Edit : is that what gojo meant by sukuna holding back & not giving it his all).
That's why I'm your subscriber. Best analysis of the fight so far. Congratulations.👏👏👏
I think my problem with this chapter is not the individual points/explanations/insight that we get. It’s more the combination of them all to justify what happened. After reading this fight back I start to think what was the point of sukuna getting 10 shadows from a writing perspective? The obvious answer is that he needed mahoraga to show him how to use cleave to target existence and bypass infinity. But that explanation implies that this is technically something he potentially could’ve thought of on his own. Then we get into the idea that sukuna is so strong that nobody could reach him and he is lonely at the top. If this is true then again why would Gege give him the 10 shadows? A blatant power up. Cause then we see gojo say that he probably couldn’t beat sukuna even without the 10 shadows. I understand the argument that sukuna is a villain of course he is going to do everything he can to win including fight dirty but to me that doesn’t make sense if he’s supposed to be lonely at the top, you would think it would be a situation more like kenpachi where he would try to make things as challenging as possible to enjoy the fight the most. That to me would mean using his own abilities and trying to figure out a way past gojo’s CT on his own. I’m definitely rambling but I feel like there’s a good amount of contradictions embedded here that I haven’t seen people piece together so maybe I’m missing something
Yuji's body was a prison. So bro needed to pull a jail break, it is implied that there is a gap between Gojo and Sukuna but it isn't wide enough for Sukuna to get away with killing Gojo and not getting immediately one tapped by the students so bro saw the chess piece that allows him freedom, a win possibility combined with survival, and a chance to get even stronger. Realistically he'd be a fool not to do it.
@@holymoly-ii6of "Tbh I'm underwhelmed with the reveal that Sukuna only wanted the 10S to use Mahoraga to figure out a counter to infinity (something which apparently he can possibly still do on his own )"
This was never stated/revealed, just that Sukuna's STRATEGY for this fight in particular, given that he had Mahoraga in his arsenal, was that he chose this way to learn how to "strip Gojo of his scales" i.e. his infinity. Not that he could've never learned otherwise, which is in line with Sukuna stating he would defeat Gojo before he ever took interest in Megumi.
Y'all acting like Sukuna didn't figure out how to bypass gojo's infinity before the fight started but was only possible through mahoraga
@@quincybenwood5331he didn’t. He only knew that domain amplification and domain expansion would get through. He legit states that he needed maho to figure out how to bypass infinity with any of his non physical or domain attacks. Ppl say sukuna is the smartest because he as able to copy a shikigami whose ability allows it to adapt to all phenomena, not because he somehow figured it out prior
Sukuna never said that he was lonely at the top and wanted to be reached. All Sukuna cares about is his pleasure and displeasure. He doesn’t care about the title “strongest” he only cares about the title of “winner”. For example if base sukuna no 10s had a 70% chance of winning but sukuna with 10s had a 90% chance he’s taking the 10s every time. Nowhere that I can remember states that Sukuna would nerf himself to make a fight “entertaining “
I’m still not sure what my overall thoughts are on the fight, but it was cool seeing the jjk community interact as the chapters of the fight came out weekly.
Been waiting for this Broken incredible analysis
32:44 I completely agree on the dialogue between characters part, i knew the fight was missing smth i just couldnt put my fingers on it till now, maybe cuz i was too drenched in the hype of the leaks dropping each week lol. Although it didnt lessen the fights value that much for me imo, it did lack smth that i didnt notice at first, like the i am u moment yuji had or the just this once with yuta, its like the fight was missing a "dessert" part but was still peak n full of surprise for me
You outdid yourself with this vid, its very impresive how you keep someone engaged for an entire 35+ minute video.
Haven’t even started the video and I know my goat’s gonna cook
I appreciate that man, def one of my best videos I feel
@@BrokenRoninyou think I could tongue punch your fartbox?
13:45
I dont think that knowing if Sukuna had an open or closed domain mattered. Gojo has absolutely no experience at all fighting an open domain prior to this point, and Sukuna is such a master at manipulating cursed energy that it probably didn't matter if Gojo knew about it or not. I think he'd *always* have to adapt on the fly regardless, which is why we didn't get panels of Gojo being told Sukuna's domain was an open one.
My only issue with the conclusion of this fight is that it was not consistent with the rest of the battle, feeling more like an ass pull rather than foreshadow. If I understood this correctly, Sukuna’s cut was not stronger, it didn’t have “more power”, it just was able to bypass infinity completely. The thing is, if that is the case, then sukuna shouldn’t be able to hit kill gojo with 1 slash. During the domain clashes, when Sukuna was able to trap gojo in his domain, he cut gojo several times, and as we know, the sure hit effect of domains negate curse techniques. I would even argue that the cuts inside the domain should theoretically be stronger since it was established in the story that once inside a domain, the user gets a passive buff on his powers.
Having that in mind plus the fact that apparently gojo had his curse energy completely replenished and was also in the zone (making his senses hit the max), I still can’t understand how that cut was enough to kill gojo. I know that who stated that was an outside sorcerer (and we know that sometimes those statements may be incorrect) but I still can’t find any sense in affirming that and then killing him off. It would have made way more sense if the story made you believe that gojo was in a vulnerable state before the slash and not at full power (he was arguably at 120% giving the sequence of black flashes).
I think the characters analyzing and discussing the fight, although it disrupts the action, is important because it let's the readers know that the cast is studying/understanding the fight/abilities of sukuna as well as the damage he sustains. They did say that the plan is to jump sukuna if ever gojo loses. Aside from exposition, it let's the readers know that gojo can definitely lose and the team is preparing for it.
With respect to the idea no one told Gojo about Sukuna's domain being without barrier:
I see it more as he could have had the general knowledge but to witness it utilizing the six eyes grant an understanding of a technique that second hand knowledge cannot - so he needed "exposure therapy" to adapt/acclimate to malevolent shrine, so to speak.
Or maybe he thought that Sukuna’s domain, even if it is open, will not expand beyond his barrier. After all, Gojo had no experience with an open domain.
Yuji also just may not have understood what it was or it’s significance. The domain was explained that chapter but explanation was said by the narrator not sukuna.
@@Kisuke258wouldn't choso has some awareness consodering that yuki and tengen panicked when they realized kenjaku domain is open
They all got shocked at the idea
They didn't know
Yuji saw the domain but remember domains look huge from inside and was mentally broken
Inumaki saw his arm gone but how he gonna know it was a domain
It was choso after hearing multiple povs that he SUGGESTED that MAYBE sukuna doesn't have a barrier closed
Sukuna cutting through Gojo's limitless like butter after seeing what happened when Jogo *and* Hanami simultaneously tried the exact same thing is a really overlooked part of this fight I feel.
Also I don't know if telling Gojo about Sukunas' barrier less domain expansion would've mattered or help because nobody in the cast has seen a barrier less domain interact with a domain with a barrier at this point anyway.
As much as I wanna fight Gege (Gege when I catch you Gege) he’s made an incredible series and one hell of a fight. You can especially see this with how distraught people (me) are with Gojo’s inevitable death. I’m the last person who wants to come to terms with it but it was necessary. He couldn’t be the one to take down Sukuna, this isn’t his story. From the moment this fight was prophesied, I think everyone knew this was where Gojo would end. Quite literally, Sukuna has always been pure evil. There’s no tragic backstory, just someone who was born to devour. He’s always been the opposite of someone like Yuuji. His fated enemy. It’s been a month and my thoughts are honestly still a mess and my heart a wreck which honestly is a testimony to Gege’s incredible character and world building. So this is all my thoughts can muster up at the moment :,)
This very high stakes fight if Gege doesn't re-explain important stuff fans wouldve forgotten some key informations because of the reading comprehension curse
It was a really great fight until the end all gege had to do was show us a few scenes of Sukuna attacking Gojo with a spacial slash instead of that abrupt and offscreen transition to Gojo dying
Unless u wanted to see Gojo's upper half falling then there was nothing to see. Go back to chapter 234 when Mahoraga did the same attack Sukuna did. All we see is the wheel turning and Gojo's arm gone. We don't see any slash hit Gojo or nothing. It's just gone. So even when it was on screen there was nothing to see.
@@Huh-oh3mx that’s wrong. Why are slashing attacks deemed as boring? So every sword fight in anime should be offscreened?
Should every Sukuna fight be offscreen now since he mostly does slashing attacks?
@@richjuin9504 yeah but does it matter? does it change anything about the ending of Gojo? It would literally be a panel of Gojo getting sliced - that's it, that's all you missed
I like the way Gege narrated it from Gojo's POV - he's winning then suddenly he's in a dreamworld (same as Jogo in that sense)
Gojo doesn't know what happened, he simply knows he's been defeated - you flashback to reality and you see Gojo's decimated body standing there
@@richjuin9504 Exactly. I don't get why some people are okay with that attack being offscreen. It was a KILLING BLOW. Don't you think we deserve to have some kind of warning before hand? Just a few panels would've been enough.
@@richjuin9504 Some things are better left to imagination. I'm positive that no matter what Gege did, no drawing of his could fully encapsulate the deathly killing blow Sukuna dealt at the very climax of the battle. Thus, instead of drawing that final blow, he drew everything _surrounding_ it, and allowed us to infer in the final detail.
Maybe there was a better way to handle it, idk I'm not a mangaka, but imo it definitely wasn't showing Gojo's body splitting in half. The instant cut to Gojo's dreamworld perfectly portrays how sudden and quick his death was, how one minute he's on a battlefield and the next its all over. I dont think any drawing could have provided the same result.
I dont know if this is valid to say but i hate the way the fight ended not because gojo died i actually wanted that to happen but its because it basically took place off panel and i cant help but hate that
But overall it was a good fight and i thibk this video was also really good keep up the good work
10 Shadows was probably the safest option for Sakuna to beat Gojo. If he has no hidden technique to use against Infinity his best bet without 10 Shadows would be to win the Domain Battle. It would be a Sakuna going all in the Domain Battle, not wasting resources on 10 Shadows like he did in the fight, and perhaps make sacrifices if needed like a binding vow to give up his domain after killing Gojo.
Anyone still upset with this fight I would suggest try rereading it all. Week to week made me upset here and there, but going at it all in one go was much more enjoyable and made me see things I missed.
Sukuna holding back plus Gojo getting off screened ruins the fight for me. Sukuna holding back was completely unnecessary from a narrative perspective. There are two in the universe mechanics that could have him go from 10% to 120% easily. He has RTC to heal any physical wounds Gojo leaves on him and he could have pulled off a black flash to bring out 120 % of his potential and bring his curse energy output back up. So why does he need to be holding back unless he's just that much stronger than Gojo? If that's true then I can't look at the fight the same.
And yes I am a Gojo stand but I always knew he had to die for the narrative.
All I want in the coming chapters is a REASON, from both a narrative and logical perspective for Gojo's unsealing. Because at this point it seems like all he succeeded in doing was making Sukuna even more broken. Is Sukuna permanently maimed from the fight? Did he give his students some hyper training in the timeskip that's going to pay off later? I know the gang didn't just break that boy out the box just to sit there and watch him die on pay-per-view...
Theory time - gojo will make a binding wow to never use his cursed technique again to survive the fight .
Then when kashimo and sukuna are fighting he will regroup with his students, get his brain healed up by yuta
Then he will use unlimited void one last time on his students , giving them all the information he had learnt from the fight
But doing so he will break the binding vow and end up dieing or something worse
Nah mate lol
every jjk fan needs to watch this video, this was masterful. the one thing ill add is that Nanami's statement was the truth. While Gojo *does* care about saving people (he would not have expressed relief when ichiji told him all the humans exposed to UV had made a full recovery otherwise) and raising strong allies to change the corrupt jujutsu world, those are all things he does *because* he is a jujutsu sorcerer. Hes a *jujutsu sorcerer* because he enjoys it. Its for his own satisfaction. Nanami wasn't rejecting Gojo's ideals, he was just stating how he was different from everyone else.
As much as Gojo's loss hurts, I would be completely fine with it had that off-screen uno reverse not happen. And Gojo basically calling himself a loser just seemed really out of character imo.
Yeah. Thats what I'm saying. Most youtubers just pretend its ok for views and most fans just love dick riding the author.
Especially after him getting sealed. He had this same attitude of "everything will be fine. My students can deal with it" before getting sealed and look where it landed. Sukuna causing havoc and mass murder, taking over Megumi, entire culling games, higher ups turning on the main cast. The main casts entire goal through culling games was to release Gojo because they were so hopeless on their own.
Remember when people believed that Gojo would go mad or berserk after being released due to everything that happened?
And now after all that, he still has the same attitude. Like he learned nothing from the last time.
Everything went to shit the last time I was sealed that the whole crew's main goal was to release me because they were so hopeless. Now let me just die on them and leave them the same way as before. Also, lets laugh and enjoy as if everyone I loved is not doomed and talk about myself like a loser.
In the words of Sukuna himself, "Spoken like a true loser".
@Ntnt11 Now that you mention that, that brings up another issue with his death. How the hell are main cast suppose to do anything about Kenjaku and Tengen (and now Sukuna) when the one man who could start turning things around is now dead and apparently never even had a chance of beating Sukuna in the first place (bs I say)
@@TheUmbralWolf Also why is Yuta sitting on his ass and not on his way to heal his sensei xD. Only good at kissing curses and bullying his junior it seems.
@Ntnt11 I keep telling sukuna fans
I'm not mad gojo lost.
It's simply dissapointing HOW he lost.
But they strawman it everytime to " I know your favorite character dying is sad!"
Lol 1) They are trolling
2) they love groin riding Gege
These youTubers act like everything it's fine when it's not regarding (minor writing points) because
1)They themselves aren't sure what gege will do regarding the plot & don't want to seem stupid in the future granted their expectations are wrong.
Look at how they acted when they thought gojo won...they liked the writing....LOOK at sukuna now....they also like the writing
MOSTLY(not all) of whatever gege does they will "like" & praise or claim confusion to find middle ground for whatever they dislike
These RUclipsrs don't want dislikes and people clicking off their videos in dissapointment. Less viewer retention and algorithm push
They don't want to shit on a series that makes them views and patreon members aswell. People may cancel patreon subs n stuff if the Fandom that follows them starts unsubbing
@@Ntnt11you have to keep in mind
That these videos are ALOT of these RUclipsrs JOBS
Or at least PART time if they have below 100K
So they will try to find a reasonable way to maintain their audience and won't always speak 100% truth... or they will give the truth...but just won't offer up certain information
Such as the flaws. They'll only draw attention to positives.
This concept of loneliness of the strongest seems to be inspired by Aizen’s sword being full of loneliness
Really liked the video. Well done. I agree with you on a lot of the points but what I wanted to discuss was the “character flare” and peanut gallery commentary.. like you said at the end of the video I do think the true value of all of that was to show how much the students were paying attention and how much and why they learned to be more creative and free. I think this is especially true for Yuta since his entire understanding of RCE has changed and he fundamentally had a misunderstanding of it. Cause I think he trained in the last month to learn how to copy the 6 eyes and how they will inevitably foil kenjaku again…. But that’s for another day…. I think as it comes to the no personality not only is it fully in Sakuna character it highlight the theme of the fight….. Sakuna vs bug lady was weak cause everyone thought she was a weirdo but she introduced one of the most important themes. And even as we look into kashimo fight Sakuna is opening by saying essentially you talk alot. I don’t think he enters battle with any intent of opening up, of trying to understand or be understood. He intention is linear and focused… to unalive his opponent. He never even explains his CT ever. Unlike almost all bad guys I’m cartoons. He never runs his mouth or explains his plan. So he was never going to give you character. You did highlight in your video how Sakuna was really only nervous when Gojo output retuned. I think we didn’t get much inside his mind because as you said… Sakuna was in control the whole time and I think that would have made it anticlimactic if at every turn Sakuna goes “just as I planned”…. It also highlights as you said how Gojo was never the guy to show Sakuna about love and Gojo talks about this as says he put everything including his humor….. I think that this criticism will be challenged when Sakuna fights Yugi/Megumi….. he will go all out and he will open up
13:48 had me dying. Like no one told Gojo and its been a month. You would've thought they all wouldn't been having a meeting about this.
i dont think the cast didnt warn gojo about sukunas barrierless domain, BUT instead gojo didnt know how it would interact with hes own domain. there was only 1 way to find out since the concept of a barrierless domain is super rare and gojo had never encountered one. chapter 235 was TOP tier fiction like you said! the enchanting, the creative way gojo pulled of the last hollow purple, mahoraga being adapter to blue... PEAK! aaaaaand all it just be thrown out the window by chapter 236. the latest chapter makes it feel like everything we saw before had been forgotten. gojo talks about sukuna not going all out, but sukuna literally said that if gojo pulled of another hollow purple, it would be fatal... then we see him smiling on 236 like he just brushed off that hollow purple. SUKUNA also says that every curse technique has a spark, WHY didnt gojo see that spark specially with hes USELESS six eyes!??? why didnt he sense that final cleave?
Facts bro. I swear all of a Sudden the Godly perception of the six eyes became completely useless... he was obviously the strongest limitless user plus six eyes, AND on a black flash amp which gives you a deeper understanding of the core of curse energy... none of that came in to play 😂😂 very poor writing and basic willingness to ignore previous concepts mentioned in the story lmao
That is true. It realy rubs me off when gege is trying to imply that even withou 10 shadow, sukuna can still beat gojo, its his way to downplay gojo so the remaining characters will have a chance to surpass gojo for them to be able to beat sukuna.
@@vincenterskine3216 it’s wild!!! Those six eyes NEVER came into play! Like he saw megumis soul in sukuna in 1 panel?? Like no fucking shit he’s soul is in there dude! That ain’t a flex! I swear sukuna must have the 12 eyes cuz he was the one making all the analyses about curse energy
@@strforlife99 Yuta's gonna need the 24 eyes if he's going to overcome the Plot-amplified Cleave.
As for the cleave, he didnt dodge the one from Mahoraga so why would he able to dodge sukunas? From what I understand of the technique it seems that the space cut bypassed infinity by materializing within that given space/plane of existence, rather than traveling like a projectile. And so for him to be able to dodge a cut that simply appeared in hit torso, he would have needed future sight
236 made the fight go from the two gods of the verse going all out in a battle to the death, to a kind of meh battle that had no real stakes, all it did was completely downplay the entire fight. You could argue that since Gojo doesn't actually know how Sukuna won his statement could be wrong, but until we see Sukuna's train of thought that's just headcanon. Anyway, you know the ending is bad when you kill your most beloved character off screen and leave both parties disappointed.
There is still a lot of arguements about whether Sukuna could have won the fight without megumi's technique. I think that he could have. Sukuna went in to the fight with a different mentality than gojo. He wanted to grow stronger than he was before and the key to that was mahoraga. He planned on using mahoraga from the very beginning. He took hits from infinite void purposefully over 5 domain clashes taking it so that mahoraga could adapt and get it out of the way. But that becomes a problem when gojo exceeds expectation and damages his brain to the point where he cant use the domain either. If Sukuna were to be in Yuji's body having full control over him even then he would have won. Sukuna, knowing that he cannot take any hits from infinite void would be much more cautious. The 1st domain battle, sukuna wins and destroys gojo and gojo he heals his technique back to the second battle. This time gojo inverted the conditions making the outside barrier stronger than the inside but sukuna in megumi's body took a risk of destroying it from the outside rather than the inside, gojo didn't understand why he took that risk until chapter 230. In Yuji's body he would be able to destroy the domain again from the inside and then outside and hurt gojo again with the oncoming slashes of malevolent shrine. After this they kept slugging it out with sukuna seeming slowing down healing and losing hand to hand. But if this happened when he is in Yuji's body he would realize that he is slowing down. This was when mahoraga first appeared which happened because Sukuna wanted mahoraga to adapt to it. If he didn't have mahoraga he could just use domain amplification to negate gojo's domain and place his own domain. As this happens again and again Sukuna would be able to endure it more since he had to destroy his brain and heal it less than gojo. Sukuna would not have taken any prior hits from infinite void either therefore would not have had as much damage while gojo would be worse off. Gojo would lose the ability to open his domain and Sukuna would still have it. Sukuna could close his barriers and have killed gojo in the domain. Even if gojo does open his domain once more Sukuna would not have had as much damage to his brain as in 230 it stated that because of so many hits from the domain Sukuna could not use his domain either. Plus he also had a full extra life where he turned to curse form. I can only make assumptions here but this transformation could also heal his brain and domain and he would be able to use his domain while gojo can't.
hopefully this your first million view video because this was really well done & probably your best so far. though i wont ever let gege off the hook for off-screening gojo, this video was the only thing that’s brought me closure since i read 236. 10/10
I'm just realizing that in Gojo's afterlife scene, all deceased people who had some type of connection to Gojo are there...except for Nobara...Could have been an oversight from Gege or it could be she survived?
I think during this fight declaring Gojo the winner at the end then offing him off screen was Gege's way of saying, "See this is the problem I created for myself, he is way too strong". He just wanted to showcase the character he made even though now with upgraded Sukuna he may have possibly written himself into a corner as now there is nothing Sukuna cannot cut. Granted Sukuna cannot recover as we see his arm hasn't recovered or his face. It was interesting also hearing Gojo thinking he might still lose even if ten shadows wasn't there (granted I don’t think he knows Sukuna compensated to be at full strength) while on the other hand Sukuna acknowledging Maharoga (Dad) as a magnificent role model for him to be able to learn a technique that was even incredible difficult for him to pull off. As a Gojo fan, I am glad Gojo was able to die with a smile on his face and Sukuna probably will see Gojo as the only person to ever match him. Thunder god ain’t on their levels
Lol nothing has even happened and you already talking shit about kashimo just let shit happen then type about it
Thanks Ronin, you and Mere have a much more open minded logical opinions.
I agree on the lack of character to character dialogue and inner monologue in certain panels. The only one I can remember was Gojo wondering why Maho wasnt being summoned then it slowly we get less and less dialogue and monologue.
Also want to point out at first Gojo also came with the mindeset to save Megumi by breaking Sukuna body. Then that was completely thrown out the window along with any mention from Gojo in the afterlife. I dont really get it, it did feel like a 180 to Gojo character not so much the death or the fight
I can only look foward to Yuuta now, all the daddies are gone or will be 😔 Good Luck Yuuta
To me, it felt like Gege had the best chance to get rid of gojo for good, and this fight was just another check box to hurry and complete.
As a big fan of the series this has quickly becoming my favorite fight in the manga because it was a true battle of the strongest and none of the other fights come close to it at all
Gojo was hurt by Hollow Purple because its a BS OP attack skill. Isn’t it a creation destroying attack that erases everything? Sakuna called it lethal for even him and is Gojo's ultimate attack. Its not surprising it can erase even Infinity. Its the only move Sakuna had no real method of overcoming. If Gojo didn't need any prep time and could spam it Sakuna would have lost.
Sakuna's space slash. Maharaga first adapted to Infinity, then went further to come up with a way to use Cleave to get through Infinity. When Maharaga slashed Gojo with Cleave it showed a model of a technique Sakuna could use. So Sakuna didn't learn adaption, he learned the slashing technique to overcome Infinity.
All we know is it's imaginary mass. The way meat riders scale it is based on real life theories so trying to scale it that way isn't really valid. All we know is it's really strong and can kill people easily 😂
Since when cleave can target space?
It has never been foreshadowed to be able to effect space.
CT can't change their nature like that
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl All the same with RCTing curse energy, it is never implied to be possible yet here we are.
@@CurseOxuin reverse cursed energy only flips the technique on its head. By making it powerd by positive energy and not cursed energy.
That isn't what sukuna did. He made his CT target space out of nowhere
It had never been foreshadowed that it can effect space.
In fact Sukana slashes gets misscaluted all the time
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yet they never foreshadow it no?
out of nowhere? have you forgotten the whole Mahoraga blueprint or something?it's a simple cleave, if Mahoraga can do it why do you think the King of Curses can't?
I can also say the same with cleave, it only flips the technique on its head, rather than targeting the enemy it's targeting the space instead so what's your point?
To be honest I thought Akutami would let Gojo win and loose the six eyes. That way Kenjaku would be the big bad he always wanted to be. I agree the hype was greater than the actual fight itself. I just wanted to know how it ends
Bt how can kenjaku who's isn't stated to be the strongest can kill and at least put up a fight against gojo and all of the students combined also kashimo ?? What about him gojo winning is the most dumbass thing to say 🗿
Great video, definitely shined a new light on it for me (it was really mixed opinion for me too)
33:42 THANK YOU HOLY SHIT
To me this fight wasn't bad (8/10 for me it's a good fight) but I wish there were more "I'm Him" type lines
you know the ones like you mentioned
it feels so strange how these two didn't really have that fight quote compared to other top series fights
it's a damn shame too cuz when you factor in the personality of both of them, there SHOULD be cinematic lines; those hard ass bars that would make Twitter lose their shit
but it just never happens! It's a shame
this fight just lacks the personality that JJK fights normally have; it's just two action figures smashing against each other
I think people forget that just because someone loses a fight doesn't suddenly make them "worse" or "over hyped." They met someone "stronger" and/or more "talented" then them and they lost the battle of strength. But i say Gojo just won the battle of "will." He gave his students wisdom and strength to carry on his will after his death and we see that happening. We can only hope his students live on to teach the next generation after them.
If there is another generation
@@tejiriamrasa3258right?? The bad guys seem to really have upper hand here and now sukuna seems unstoppable with this new attack. I really don’t know what to expect going forward
@@bibitoastyeah unless Gojo miraculously revives himself.. the entire world is fucked.
@@bibitoastits now Sukuna, Kenjaku, and Uraume VS Kashimo, Hakari, Yuta, Maki, Yuji, and maybe Megumi. Sukuna and Kenjaku both seems like they could solo the main crew. Kenjaku 1v2 Yuki and Choso and walked it off. Even Yuta, Hakari, and Maki beating Kenjaku 3v1 is a stretch. How the hell are they going to beat Sukuna and Uraume. Uraume can and has already frozen Maki before. The dude is clearly strong af as well. Sukuna still has his entire CT reveal left to use as well.
Personally, I think Mahito vs Yuji and Todo was the best fight followed by Maki vs the Zen’in Clan.
Maki's fight had me soooo hype.
@@_all_around_us I can’t wait to see that animated.
You cooked with this one. Basically all of my praise and complaints were covered in the vid
The jokes about clown sukuna are not because he played dirty. But because he was taking shit and gloating even after almost dying and having to rely on 10 shadows cause he had no clue how to defeat gojo.
His plan was basically making time while 10 shadows gave him a clue. Which does not correlate with how cocky he was.
Great video, I think I agree with all your points for the most part. For me, the weekly fanfare made this fight 10x better than it actually is. Not to say that it was a bad fight, but it definitely isn’t the best fight in the series so far. I wish we got more dialogue between Gojo and Sukuna or even just a few more panels of what they were thinking as the fight went on. Regardless what ranking I give the fight as a whole, it’s undeniable the hype that’s created whenever you have two powerhouses clash no matter what series it is. I don’t think I’ve been as hype for a fight, reading weekly, since Meliodas vs Noon Escanor lmao but I also rarely keep up with ongoing series as they release.
The biggest nitpick I have with the fight is the conclusion. I’m a huge Gojo fan, but I wasn’t expecting him to destroy Sukuna by any means. I’m also a huge Sukuna fan so my problem definitely isn’t with the final outcome. I just think the final sequence was poorly done. Going from one page of “Gojo wins” to instant death / afterlife kinda ruined the end for me. I would rather it of been a few panels of dialogue, Sukuna makes a ending remark / small attack motion, and then go into the afterlife sequence. It would’ve sit better with me if that was the case. Hell, you could’ve even had Sukuna giving his explanation of adaptation first and then go about having the afterlife conversation. Just mix the panels around basically. Still just as sudden, unexpected, etc but it would just read better imo. Either way, I enjoyed the fight and am honestly more excited for the future of the series than I was before this fight even started.
E so called adaption doesn't make sense.
Since when can Sukana slashes change their nature like that?
From targeting objects and people based on their cursed energy to cutting space?
There is no foreshadowing for such ability.
8n fact there is only anti foreshadowing for it as sukuna constantly misculactes his slashes
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yeah man idk what any of that has to do with my comment lmao. I was commenting on how the fight was laid out in the final part not if the attacks made any sense.
I personally don’t like the way Sukuna won, but “since when can Sukuna’s slashes change nature like that?” - since last chapter I guess. When was it said he can’t change the nature of his slashes? Why didn’t Sukuna full power cleave thru Gojo after the first domain clash? Who knows.
@@dblsomeday I think the reason this space cutting slash cleaved through Gojo but the others didn’t is because it can cut through anything. If you’ve seen Black Clover it probably works like Dimension Slash we’re it can cut through anything no matter the durability. So when Sukuna slashed Gojos’s infinity it fallowed through and cut Gojo
I don't mind Gojo dying but I feel like the fight should've ended more evenly. Gojo is fighting at a disadvantage the entire fight and he has to outsmart sukuna at every turn just to keep the fight going and then sukuna just pulls out a space cleave off screen and is revealed to apparently not have been giving it his all. Gojo should've beat sukuna, proving he's the "strongest" but sukuna pulls out a trick, either his ct or yozuru gift, to come out the winner. Gojo wins in spirit but sukuna is more focused on survival and winning in general. Also sukuna is way to powerful to be taken down now without an ass pull, Gojo was op but restricted by being a hero but sukuna is stronger and doesn't have this hindrances.
I agree. Saying Sukuna was holding back makes it harder for us to believe he’ll get a legitimate defeat without an asspull, and possibly harder for Gege to write that final battle. If Gojo and Sukuna were fairly equal with Sukuna winning by a margin, the bar for our heroes to meet wouldn’t have moved.
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@@uncle_ben_rices_nephew Holding back techniques not strength
Hear me out. I agree with everything you’ve mentioned about Gojo and his selfishness to look for the thrill in a battle just as Netero was. This is fight is very similar to Netero vs Meruems battle, it’s almost identical. The most obvious attack being hollow purple, it is comparable to Neteros last trump card. We know that Sukuna wasn’t finished but what if hollow purple has a post effect, it’s just taking slowly killing sukuna, like it did with Meruem. Now it’s just a matter of time remaining on his life, but he’s still very dangerous so everyone’s gets a turn with him until he inevitably dies. I think the close you are to hollow purple the more damage you take, this might be why Gojo actually took damage and was weaken enough for sukuna to kill with the last blow. We know that the closer you are to purple the higher the damage.
Thanks for the vid bro, I enjoyed it
The ending of this fight was inconsistent with everything we have witnessed so far. It was like Gojo was fighting to enjoy this fight, it was all about the pleasure not protecting something valuable to you. He not only went out like fodder, but he didn't even express any faith or concern that his students will be butchered next. It was so anticlimactic
@@Gamfluentyes this, that's the main issue I have with this fight. Statements and what we saw in the fights don't add up at all
@@Gamfluent 😂😂 such inconsistency, it's just so buffling
“Went out like fodder” that’s not a criticism nor is it inconsistent, how Gojo dies makes perfect since.
@@kevinnigins9488 you missed my point. I am not talking about how he was killed. I am talking about the execution of his death. It was pathetically poor. I don't care what anyone says, Gege is human, he is bound to make mistakes. To me, he completely messed up that chapter.
I guess my biggest criticism with this fight is that it ultimately did nothing to advance the story in some way. No new plot points were revealed. None of the many, MANY loose threads were expanded upon. None of the characters' goals have changed. We ended the fight in the same narrative position where we started, only team good guy is down 1 fighter and team bad guy lost a chunk of its health bar. This fight, for all its technical intricacies, can be boiled down to, 'they fight, Gojo looses'. It just feels disappointing that, given 2ish months to prepare the best plan the heroes could come up with was apply Satoru Gojo to the problem and hope it goes away.
Idk man I think Gojo being killed off permanently is a pretty big fucking plot point.
Damn, your videos are so good! I Have an issue with this finishing move of sukuna's though. If he learned how to slice space when mahoraga cut gojo's arm, why did he wait until after gojo released the unlimited hollow?
You probably won’t see this, but I think you’re a great content creator, I use to watch your Anime X what ifs, and now I’m watching your jjk vids years later, keep on creating bro your gonna be super big one day
To be honest I have no problems with Gojo dying, at least from a narrative standpoint. It's HOW he died that got me and most people HEATED. Here are my 4 main points that warrant the outrage:
1. At the end of Ch 235 we were left off with a Gojo looking Triumphant and a Sukuna who's in a very bad spot. Only for Ch 236 to hit us with Gojo being greeted by his dead friends and the next panel of Gojo's cut off torso.
It was like they forgot to put the cause and process, only leaving the Effect. I legit thought I skipped a page or two.
2. "He would've beaten me even without Megumi's 10 Shadows."
Gojo you're my guy but you know damn well that's cap because if that were the case why go through the trouble of body jacking Megumi for a cursed technique that's essentially a shortcut to bypass your Infinity if he could've still found a way by himself? Do you not hear how contradictory that sounds?
3. I believe that we can all agree that its true Sukuna still hasn't revealed all the cards he has (black box, yorozu gift, etc). His victory would've been more believable.....if 90 percent of the whole fight wasn't just Gojo outsmarting him and giving him fatal blows at least 4 times and by the near end of Ch 235 Sukuna being hella nervous and literally shouting for Mahoraga's help, not mention being completely f*cked up after the Hollow Nuke. Even if there were subtle hints that Sukuna was cooking something up they should've made it MORE OBVIOUS to convince us.
4. Out of all the different ways to kill off a major plot-relevant character, Gege just HAD to choose the infamous OFF SCREEN.
To end this off, let me give you an example: Imagine Goku was beating the crap out Frieza after none his attacks worked on Goku that's how that Chapter ends. Next Chapter, is just Goku's lifeless corpse.
Make any sense to you?
Like how do you from intense build-up, exhilarating start, crazy rising action that got you on the edge of your seat, and back & forth falling action. Only for an otherwise bamboozling and confusing ending to come out of nowhere?
But gojo was never beating up sukuna. U guys aren't looking at the details. It didn't matter if gojo was throwing sukuna around when sukuna could use rct, the main objective should have been to get his head of his ody or something anything else and it's useless.
And all the fatal blows gojo was dealing aside from purple were all just digging his own grave
First one was the uv, well sukuna had mahorag to destroy gojos domain which took that uv card out. Next was probably the blackflash which I should add is luck and skill but people fail to mention that and all it did was allow mahorag to adapt, next was the purple, now this one was actually because sukuna overestimated gojo. Sure gojo landed purple and sukuna before said that would be fatal but that was because he thought a 200% purple was around 120% purple but in reality there was still 80% more power. Then he says if he even gets hit with 100% it would be fatal and that's a 20% difference from what he thought he would get hit with but in actuality rhe difference between the stronger purple and the current one was 100%. He overestimated the attack and thought he would die to it. But in the end his plan prevailed. I'd like to say gojo is still the strongest but sukuna is the smartest, being the strongest doesn't mean u will win
Sukuna is simply stronger and smarter, but my boy megumi has to save himself and show us more of hes story powers and potential
I'm trying to see multiple different types of chimeras a complete totality and strategy used by megumi. That'd be cool if megumi could copy sukuna as in the way sukuna uses water for piercing blood..I wonder if megumi would be able to use mahas positive blade? I think that'd be a cool cqc ability for him
@@rushpatriot2866 the biggest ability that really gets my hype as of right now is hes way of cloning himself🤩😱 he is very good at martial arts i want to see him and hes own shadows kicking ass🤩🤩 and if he masters hes cursed techniqes i want to see him use the technique and go to the opponent at the same time, that would make toji proud🤩 also hes potential is sepctaculer he can easily surpass gojo
The reason gojo's hollow purple hit him is because it was his own attack. The way gojos infinity works with it needing to be a attack aimed at him or directed at him, so that he can manipulate the space would be the reason his own attack hits him. Because it one wasn't aimed at him two was his own attack and since it was his "win con" he didn't view it as a threat as well. In my opinion it makes complete sense for gojos purple to hurt him, also i am extremely worried for gojo even if he isn't dead, as sukuna could just cut him in half again now that he understands infinity.
I'm so tired of people throwing out "off screened" or "asspull" etc. We saw 99.9% of the fight. It wasn't like they started and then Gojo was dead. We missed basically a full page spread of Gojo getting slashed and his body falling to the ground. We saw the before and after. The events leading up to that point were either foreshadowed or straight up shown/told to us.
This ending was meant to be jarring and frustrating. Any possible ending was going to be frustrating or just boring. Good writing can be frustrating.
THIS
Im just a bit confused as to why people are pissed that Sukuna developed a new method of winning this fight when Gojo was doing it the entire time. Stuff like shrinking and remaking the concepts of his domain out of nowhere were said to be impossible, but we accept it because it's Gojo. But then Sukuna makes a new method on the fly and now it's plot armour
I think they're pissed because of the off screen death + Gojo glazing Sukuna, me personally don't care how Gojo die but I understand why people were pissed about the way he died.
I am also curious how the main cast get a power up after this, cuz without an asspull/power buff they're pretty much fucked.
It’s called… hypocrisy
Agree
Chapter 228 is actually the most important point in this fight. Sukuna had the option to destroy unlimited void from inside. He could've avoided the 3 min fight this way and would never get hit with unlimited void. But at the same time, it's guaranteed that gojo would always get a brain damage after 5 continuous domain expansions. So after domain clashes, gojo would be facing a sukuna who can use domain, while he wouldn't be able to. Gojo's RCT output would also be dropping rapidly. The reason sukuna didn't go for it is probably because staying inside unlimited void for a longer period of time was beneficial for the adaptation process. Gojo and sukuna confirmed that adaptation is gradual. If you read chapter 229, you can see that gojo is actively using limitless to thrash around sukuna inside the domain. It means sukuna even stopped using domain amplification inside domain. This is probably why gojo mentioned he's unsure he could beat sukuna even if he didn't have ten shadows
I think the difference, at least for me, was that Gojo was always on the back foot. Sukuna always had the advantage whether that's his open domain, ten shadows, mahoraga, yozorhu gift, his secret ct. Gojo's powers were already well known so he had to be creative to even the playing field. Sukuna just pulls it out of nowhere and it ends the fight instead of just prolonging the fight.
Because they're bias meat riders. Look around social media in chapter reviews leaks and reactions for this whole fight and you'll be able to smell the hypocrisy seeping from your screen. A ton of people were arguing and praising with just emotion they weren't logical or self aware of what they were saying.
I just wonder this: if Sukuna wasn't giving it his all against Gojo, why the need to depict Gojo as utterly dominant in pretty much every area of jujutsu sorcery? The fight could have appeared much closer which would make Gojo's loss seem less contrived.
Everyone is so caught off guard because the visuals and circumstances showed one thing and the end result and some dialog show another. It's hard to reconcile the incongruity.
Yeah it feels like those statements are directly contradicted by what we saw throughout the fight and were just included to make readers hype up Sukuna more. Feels odd
Hi! I agree with both of you, i feel like with just not putting gojo say those dialogues the conclussion to the fight would be much better, and more accepted than this one.
Just more clarity overall on the dialogues and that's it
Because Gojo's weakness is his arrogance. We saw it vs toji, We saw it when he was sealed by kenjaku. All the enemy needs is for him to be tired and seem in a winning position.
sukunas style of fighting against gojo was a passive one..he sat back..observed and adapted...so he essentially let gojo show all his arsenal while doing whats just necessary to stop himself from being severely damaged
@madhav_rao_chad
Except the part where he was knocked unconscious. Or the part where Mahoraga was killed and he limped out with half his body disintegrated.
I feel that the lack of dialogue and the “peanut gallery” constantly going off is used as a way to show not only the loneliness at the top but also to show that those two were closer to absolute forces of nature or natural disasters when fighting each other rather than fighters battling it out, Gojos comrades during the fight seemed like spectators to a ufc event rather than comrades. The fear of Gojo losing always had this tone of “oh god what’re we gonna do about sukuna if he loses?” Rather than “my friend/teacher/comrade is going to die” Yuta obviously had that panel of being absolutely pissed after Gojo died but for the most part to me it felt as if they treated the fight like a recording of people they didn’t know. The two of them were truly alone in that fight, none of the surrounding consequences or circumstances mattered at that moment it’s like Gege put them in a narrative domain. They didn’t care about what was going to happen afterwards, all they could focus on was just fighting it out as 2 borderline psychotic forces of nature that practically waved away everything that would restrict any other sorcerer or any other curse.
30:11 the robin-sukana photoshop “I want to live” got me so well, I was not expecting that