'Fiducia Supplicans': Did Pope Francis Approve Same-Sex Unions? | THE BRENDAN OPTION 163
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Father, the batteries in your fire alarm need to be replaced.
God bless you Father. Your intelligence , humour, and honesty were missed.
As an Irish Catholic revert, I am grateful for Fr. Kilcoyne and Immaculata Productions, amongst other YT channels that are enormously helpful in explaining the vast well of wisdom and grace that I was unaware of as constituting my Christian heritage. These days I speak to many in situations similar to mine and we wonder, 'why weren't we taught this when we were young?!'. Perhaps we didn't have ears to hear it.
I have noticed factional thinking, e.g. the 'Liturgy Wars', and whilst I do find the TLM to be beautiful (and beauty is the principal path that led me back to my faith) I still believe that I must continue to strive to appreciate the importance of the Eucharist in the Novus Ordo. To me, it's all good. I am blessed to be able to be in attendance no matter the Form, and will never run out of things to learn.
All this is to ask, am I being naive to think that Pope Francis is basically trying to herd cats? I understand the furore over the question of ambiguity in Fiducia Supplicans, but paragraph 31 refers to:
*'the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who-recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help-do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.'*
Does this not open the door for sinners to (ultimately) repent and become reconciled?
As Fr. Brendan says clearly at 17:50 - 'we cannot bless sin and we won't bless sin'.
The way this acts out is that the Alphabet juggernaut starts demanding things of priests that puts them completely on the back foot. Opens a Pandora's box and someone else has to clean it up.
Father: I'm so happy to see you again! Welcome back!
God bless you Fr and in your continued effort to reach out to us all that are watching.
I have recently come back to our Lord and the Catholic Church in a very profound way after having abandoned it throughout my whole 20’s and I am so happy now! Thrilled to have discovered this RUclips channel! Thank you Fr Brendan and all involved in this production! You are in my prayers!
Thank you Father, for standing with Holy Mother Church, and our “cowboy” Pope. We should always keep in mind that Gods thoughts are not our thoughts. Look how much Our Lord stirred up the “rad trads” of his day. 😟Jesus Christ have mercy on all of us sinners. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
And so glad you’re back Father. We need your balanced voice. ❤️
Welcome back Father, your sound advice and knowledge I've missed. We can only pray for the pope and our church, which is going through difficult times at the moment 🙏
Great to have you back, and we all owe a debt of gratitude to Mary for helping you Father Brendan to recommence your informative podcasts.
Good to see you Father!!! I like the new place. God bless you!!!
My son and I attended the public launching of The ARC at the Millennium Dome in London in November last year. The ARC is an initiative designed to combat the disintegration of western society and is being led by clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson.
Peterson supports the nuclear family in opposition to the many forces that are eroding it. He highlights the fear that young men and women have about making a life-long commitment to each other. His tough message about leaving behind infantile pleasure-seeking that is causing a crisis between the sexes, and his encouragement to take on the responsibility of bringing children into the world resonates like a voice in the wilderness for our present age.
As a grandfather who is fast approaching the 50th anniversary of marriage, Peterson’s advice rings true. My Catholic faith is and has been a rock, especially under the affliction of dementia that my wife is suffering.
Support for Catholic marriage is one of the most important roles of the Church today. Unfortunately, Rome is preoccupied by many issues of lesser priority. I recommend that Peterson be brought on board to inject some practical sense into the Vatican at this moment.
Congratulations on your upcoming 50th anniversary. We just passed ours last December.
I was only thinking at the start of this week that I missed your broadcasts. The homely setting is actually nicer than the previous one!
Thank you for returning! We missed you ❤️ any amount of production value is enough for us
Very balanced and informative video. Fantastic to have you back!
Welcome back.
If you are the one generating the trouble needed for ‘your heart to beat normally’…and if that trouble you are causing is in fact thereby deliberately erroneous, false, gaslighting, misleading, self serving or otherwise ignorant…..
It’s called either evil, or stupid.
The outcome is the same either way.
And at the most charitable it can be put, doing evil so that good may come of it….is prohibited. Aka not Catholic.
So either these men are evil, ignorant or stupid…..
The options are:
A. Not Catholic
B. Should not be in office
C. Should not be in office
It blindingly obvious that they are simply paving the way for an Anglican style of theology. It’s the heresy of modernism plain as day.
No amount of pontificating will help.
Well said
This papacy has been characterised by the " weaponisation of ambiguity" as Timothy Gordon and others have said. This document fits that description.
Fr great to see you again! I was lying in bed last night watching this video and I could hear your fire alarm beeping in the background of this video and didn’t I get up out of bed myself to go around the house thinking it was my own fire alarm!
We are going to awful lengths here to give Fernández the benefit of the doubt.
True indeed.
We are indeed@@Corolla97ww
Another one who hasn't read the document.
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I’m afraid it does bless sin. It blesses sinful relationships.
@user-tx3ht2te1t
Than what does it bless?
Well done Fr Brendan, totally with you, good balanced analysis. We are in a war for souls
Thank you Fr. Greetings from South Africa
It's wonderful to have you back Father
Welcome back father,I missed you. I will not abandon ship, no matter who is the current Peter. You are right; we cannot bless sin! My response to this confusion is more prayer, more masses, more rosaries, more time on my knees.
I'm grateful to see your continued work with these videos!! Thank you!
The solution to this all is so very elementary that it is painful for me to even have to point it out...bless them separately. They are not a couple. They are most likely 2 people living in a state of sin. They are not irregular unions. They are 2 people living in a state of sin - not a marriage. How is blessing them together anything but hatred towards their souls.
Should they be blessed separately at the end of mass also?
Has that solution been thought of and not further considered.
Well done for talking about controversial topics
God bless you! I knew this in my heart but I did not know how to eloquently explain it and you helped me. I am a veteran, I was a commander, and I learned to be docile and obey, follow the authority and never pretended that my supervisors had to sell orders to me, they just had to TELL. First, not all of us had all the factors that lead to decisions nor perhaps we could understand the ulterior reasons for them.
Jesus loves His Church and he knew how to establish and voiced out who was to lead it. The keys were given to one man, ONLY ONE SET OF KEYS, and chose a temperamental fisherman when others were doctors (Luke), accountants (Matthew) and even apparently better suited. Moreover, not even Paul (who was educated, smart and knew the Scriptures better than the rest) disobeyed Peter in Jerusalem when Peter (who probably did not even know how to read) instructed that circumcision was not mandatory despite it was CLEARLY in the only books and tradition at the moment. Popes have authority and when we think about it we can see how others have changed drastically what was known back then. The Vulgata (translating the Bible to the vulgar language Latin so that people could understand since it was the common and local language). Not having to fast from the night before to receive communion...than later from three hours to just one hour (that was a big deal and pretty scandalous). Purgatory, Immaculate Conception, Indulgences...changes in Liturgy, so over and over we see how the Church is the Administrator of redemption and the Pope is at the helm.
Yet, some people confuse piety with Faith...and others confuse Nostalgia with Tradition. They live a Catholicism that is tailored to their own personality, a vanilla ice cream kind of people who simply like to structure themselves to their own character and discard other flavors forgetting the Church is universal and the Vatican has to allow for many in different cultures and global reach. Vatican is the balance.
Interesting take on the whole thing, but do not like or subscribe until he promises to change the battery in his smoke alarm.😂
This document is completely unnecessary if the mission is to bless individuals. The Church has been doing that for 2000 years. Yes, even individuals in “irregular” situations. There’s something altogether different going on here. Welcome back, Father
No, there isn't. Your mind makes mountains of mole hills.
@@cursivejay We shall see. Thank you for your thoughts. I hope you’re right.
Great to have you back online. Missed your wit and wisdom.
Thank you Father, I have missed your insights and wisdom. May God Bless you and your ministry.
Thank you Father, God bless, People need to realise that Catholicism isn't just about mass and commandments; the church is a complex institution with its own principles, values, laws and politics, thank you for revealing this side and the politics behind blessing couples with different backgrounds and situations 🙌 God bless the sinners not the sin
The Mass. Done properly, is 70% of Catholicism.
"We're trying" (the priests) resonates. I see most priests really are trying but the Mass is uncompelling, awkward, and usually has the opposite effect to that intended. It doesn't feel relevant to people. Doesn't offer that challenge that the young people yearn for. Just ask them.
@@patrickmelling8404 speaking as a foroige volunteer, the youth aren't the problem, it's the parents who have a lot to say are propagating their views on their children and everyone else's. This will continue for another 5 years
Thank you Fr. Brendan. You've given me reason to hope...God bless you.
Missed you!!! Welcome back. It's you we are interested in and your words..not where you are friend.
I didn’t even notice the fire alarm beeping, until there were so many comments. It’s ok with me if you don’t change the batteries. Good to see you again.
Nice bit of Popesplaining there Father
Very well done, and admirably. Difficult topic. Great to have you back. ❤️💙
The same-sex couple ‘blessing’ causes a number of questions.
Why is it couple blessing if “People are blessed; not the union”?
What is a homosexual couple seeking by asking for a blessing?
What is the Church offering in response?
What is the Holy Spirit called for and what is exactly being blessed?
What is a spiritual purpose of such a ‘blessing’ and what sort of a particular help it intends to provide?
Love and acceptance can make miracles of soul transformation, and Pope Francis' vision on the same-sex unions seems to be about love and acceptance. Yet, the same-sex couple blessing would make sense if the Church dumps viewing the same-sex relationship per ser as a sin. Without that, such a 'blessing' appears conflicting and self-contradictory.
The entire issue of the homosexuality as such and the sin does not look straightforward at all.
For example, some people refer to Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them". Does this mean that about 4% of human population should be now "put to death"? Would it be a proclaimed Christian way of love and acceptance? Would it be compatible with the words of our Lord: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone" (John 8:7)?
Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 6:9,10 was talking specifically about "men who have sex with men" with the intention to just satisfy their lust, but said nothing about homosexuality as such.
The Holy Scripture condemns sexual lust in all its appearances - ‘traditional’ and ‘pervert’, but says nothing at all specifically about homosexuality and same sex people, who want to live together in love and faith.
Nevertheless, this unlikely defends the incompatibility of the same-sex couple blessing with the current Church doctrines and policies.
Faithfully yours,
bishop Vincent Berg.
Well put Bishop, thank you.
So lovely to see you.
I like the new setting. It’s fine!
Your sobriety and fidelity is inspirational, Father. God bless you
Delighted to see you again!
Godbless , Protect and pray for Our Pope Francis🙏 🙏 🙏
Bless you and your work.
Brilliant!!! Spoken like a real Mayo man.
So pleased to see that your show is back online Father. Your voice brings so much needed clarity. I’ve listened to some very astute Catholic minds discuss this topic without coming away with the proper understanding that you provide.
Your new home studio is perfect, in that it reflects the man himself.
Praying for your ministry.
good stuff. i appreciate father brendan‘s approach which ininterpret as being that the sky may be about to fall in but that, looking around, it hasn’t.
That format is a lot better.
I like this backdrop much better. Very nice!
Cardinal Fernandez must resign.
Excellent honest video.
Always enlightening and pastoral . A great gift to the faithful! 20:06
Is there an aspect to the Chinese agreement with the Vatican that I’m missing ? I certainly want to stand with Francis but....
I am glad you explained what cowboy meant I was taken back for a second there. God Bless
Welcome back Father 🏨
New set up looks good father! The more voices we have to support our faith the better.
Looking forward to your Lenten insights. Have a holy and blessed Lent. Blessed Mother Mary the Immaculate, pray for us.
Spot on fr.bren
Great to see and hear you. You have made such a Difference to my faith. Thank you God Bless you... 🤗🙏🙏🙏.
Father, I absolutely love your podcast. I feel saddened that you have had to publish less frequently. I've subscribed to you on Patreon, but admittedly I am at a lowly tier. It is lovely to hear from you again. All I ask is that you please forward me the cost of a 9V battery and a step ladder in your local market, so that I may donate it to you so that you can refresh your fire detector, and it can intrude on your life and your recordings no further. 🙏
Yayyy… great to see you Father !! God Bless
Greetings and thanks from Canada. Very nuanced and clear depiction of the situation. I've read and found reasonable the idea that I am to take any papal teaching in a manner consistent with our infallibly guided history. I get the concern over "couple" but stress that it really is the individuals, not a disordered "union" that is blessed. And I love your characterizations of the pastoral edge tredding character of our pope. And I fully agree that we should go with him in this , perhaps with additional clarity on the "couple" potential ambiguity . Thanks so much for the gifts you share with us.
Fr. Brendan all. your. Talks. are. great thank. you and. that. the. good. Lord. Continue. to. Bless all. your. work
God. Bless. you. Fr. Brendan That. talk. was. Brilliant was. very. well. explained I. a. agree.and. understand
Welcome back father. Great discourse. Debate needs to be widened into the many souls living together in extra marital relationships. The frequent availability of the Sacrament of Reconciliation should be the Churches response to this and other issues for all of poor sinners
Good to see you back
Fr Brendan, are you going to address the masonic/Catholic meeting?
or Israeli Airforce squadron's after the Squadron Leader has requested?
Glad to see you back Father, I always enjoy listening to your insights and guidance. I notice there is a periodic beeping noise in the background that probably means there is a smoke-alarm that needs to have a battery replaced. For your safety and our viewing pleasure, please replace it 😊 God bless
Fantastic to see you back!!
Seems to me that a COUPLE of individuals who are complete strangers asking for a blessing is different from a COUPLE who are in a relationship asking for a blessing. Same word, different meanings.
and the document clearly refers to latter.
Being less diplomatic: This is a diabolic attack on Catholic Church.
Welcome back....
Welcome back Fr. Brendan. How would I characterise your message? Uber diplomatic, to say the least. Perhaps akin to trying to drive a four by four across a road of egg shells with enough room left, between the lines, to park a dozen double deck busses, side by side. I fully understand the delicate path which you obviously felt the need to follow. Not sure if any of what I have just said makes much sense. Anyway, it really is great to see you back - 😁😁👍👏👏🙏🇮🇪🙏
Morning Fr. Great to have you back. I need to step up and contribute. Im so glad we do not have the American scene of so called Catholic RUclipsrs, with the exception of a handful. Michael Lofton is a blessing and Bishop Baron. The World Over on EWTN and others have caused more Confusion and Descent and scandal in our Church today than at any other time. Its shameful the things they say about Pope Francis. God bless you Fr. You are a blessing to us.🙏☘️
No the world over is fine. They aren't the ones causing the confusion, cancelling latin masses, and protecting and promoting evil men .
Maybe the attitude you display is the problem? Just a thought
Bishop Barron is cautious, clearly ambitious and a fabulous communicator.
Michael Lofton has arrogance surplus to his middling intellect. He's aggressive.
I can't watch him anymore.
EWTN provides balance albeit favouring orthodoxy.
The 'Papal Posse' is the best Catholic Church news review there is which doesn't't mean I always agree with their perspective.
John Allen of Crux gives a weekly news review which is more liberal and might suit you better. I watch every week.
I like this set up! ❤
THE DAY OF RESSURECTION has come 40 days early !!!
Good to see you again.
Yay!
i am so glad to see you, Father. 🥹
God bless Father. All the best to Mary and her future endeavours. I like the new setting more than the last one. Looks great.
Good video
Father, that's a far better look on the video. Nice n bright, and proper camera at eye level, not looking up from your shoes as previously. Well done agus failte ar ais!
Father l was never more confused over this blessing l will just pray for the holy father but l truly loved pope Paul 2nd rip trying to make sense of it all
Maybe he didnt change the teaching technically. But in practice and perception they did. The scandals and division this has caused has been disastrous, there's no way to sugarcoat that fact. Wheres the call for those in mortal sin to repent? Theyre encouraging the irregular couple to remain on the road to hell.
I'm worn out by the ambiguities of this pontificate.
And as for Cardinal Fernández? He's fooling nobody. Where did they get him?!!
Hi Father like you said Francis didn’t start but he has breaking so many rules,, I pray for Pope Francis I don’t hate him , is it ignorance of the faith or arrogance, but he’s not being faithful to Christ, our Lord and teachings,,, we can see many heretics are being promoted, and many faithful priest are being persecuted,,,,
Glad to see you posting content again, Fr. Kilcoyne. Thank you for your unique and tactful take on the Pope, Cdl. Fernandez, and FS. The document's distiction between liturgical vs pastoral/spontaneous blessings seems sophistic to me, but I dont know much at all about liturgics or pastoralogy.
Thank you for clarity, as I for one took what bible says seriously these last three years and have not had relations only in friendship since God called me back. The bible teaches us all we need to know about our faith, we have to open our hearts and be willing to believe. It's difficult yes , it's challenging yes. My father was consistent when he told us what was permissable in the home we got clarity he didn't waiver and so was good role model didn't always appreciate his stance as wanted worldly things but wanted a father and he was that he cared for all our wellbeing. Love is yes when it brings you closer to God but it is also No when it takes you away from God. Thank you father.🙏
God bless Mary and BEST to her ... Thank you Padre for soldiering on ! I read somewhere the Pope stated that the Africans are getting a revised directive in collaboration with the CDF lead Cardinal because of their disgust for the sin of hmoosexuality ..... I thought to myself ..shouldn't we all be disgusted by sin ???
Nice to see you in the light Father :)
Perhaps it's not so much what we way the document will be interpreted but more about what way individual priests will react. Some will be for it,some against.
Like communion in the hand ,when permission was given under certain circumstances it became widely practice through the whole church and is now the norm unfortunately.
17:50 “we cannot bless sin”..self-evidently the occupying regime in rome regards such activities as wholesome..many of them participate in it and they want to bless themselves
Great you are back. Viva Cristo Rey
We need to Pray for Pope Francis because in my humble opinion by has by His act and/or omission upended 2000 years of Catholic teaching; including the words of the bible
The recent Fiducial Supplicans, which translates to 'a trusted one (The Pope) asking God for a reply to a query raised by his Bishop(S)' has toped out. However, since this declaration the Vatican has quite sensibly rowed back.
The second reading of St Paul to Timothy is quite clear that we must keep what we were taught as a child and most importantly that we as catholics have a duty to refute falsehoods and correct errors.
The Catholic Church cannot follow every whim of society, it must be strong in its belief as it has been for 2000 years.
God Bless the Clergy who have been compromised in their faith .
Keep up Gods work Brendan and it is good to hear your voice to see you back up and running again
Sean
The confusion generated is mostly not from the document itself, but from news agency platforms that decided to report on it either without reading it or only to read into it what they wanted. They pointed out one thing while ignoring the other things in the document which preeminently would have answered their concerns. Clarification was good on what was meant by "couple", but most of these places weren't really seeking clarification - which was made obvious by their continually ignoring those clarifications. Instead, they were attacking the document and acting in total defiance to the Vicar of Christ - even accusing him of trying to destroy the deposit of faith (something Christ would never allow him to do of course).
It is perfectly normal for people to seek clarification and to ask questions. But it should be done with fidelity and faith. The problem is that many Catholics are not properly formed and therefore don't understand what protections specifically are there to protect from error the Holy Church. Some traditionalists are so afraid of modernism that they fall victim to it and accuse the living magisterium of either defecting or being capable of defecting. Such a stance and narrative is dangerous because it puts people constantly on the edge of schism, just looking for that perceived final straw to leave. But once gone, a schism is hard to repair. Just ask the Old Catholics and the SSPX.
Priests don't need a new mod encyclical from a new 'woke' Pope to tell them they can bless sinners. It's been standard practice for 2000 years.
By my count the word 'couple' or 'couples' is used 11 times in Fiducia supplicans including in the heading of Part lll: "Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex"
The "confusion generated" is indeed "from the document itself".
@@Jimboken1 Putting "woke" or other labels in front of the pope to dismiss his authority does nothing to dismiss his authority as he is the Vicar of Christ, but it does show disrespect to our Holy Father. As for what priests need, that is for the magisterium to decide. And in this case they decided it was needed.
I'm glad you can count. However, the number of a word or lack of number is not in question. What is in question is what is meant by the document. Since you read it, you are aware that it says sin cannot be blessed. Therefore, "couple" cannot mean to bless sin. What does it mean? Well the document says that too. The blessing is to lead those individuals who make up a couple into repentance. Perhaps you should read the document without looking for evil but instead to learn something. The magisterium cannot approve anything against faith and morals.
By request of those confused, such as yourself, the magisterium has provided multiple clarifications to reaffirm what the document clearly teaches. And yet people, such as yourself, act like those clarifications have not happened. Regardless, whether by the document itself, or its clarifications accompanying it, the document is perfectly orthodox in its teachings; and, since the Holy Ghost does not permit "confusion" to be taught by the magisterium - as that would be a rupture - it does not do so. We as individuals can be confused by our clouded private judgements, but not the Church. I submit to Rome when it comes to morality. God bless.
@@CatholicK5357 If sin cannot be blessed then why invent a new non-liturgical blessing by a priest who has received the sacrament of Holy Orders?
And why is it all about couples who are not unions but also not really couples because they are individuals who only present themselves as couples to be blessed as individuals while standing before the priest as couples?
@@Jimboken1 Since you have read the document, you are aware that it gives the reason why a new form of blessing is allowed. In addition to those reasons, German priests were asking Rome what was and was not allowed due to some manipulative bad bishops. Rome responded by making a document. It forbid what was not allowed and showed what was allowed. This empowered the priests against some of the corrupt bishops in question.
Again, since you have read the document, you must be aware that it was not "all about couples who are not unions..." Instead, the document was about blessings and the types of them. It was about divorced couples as well.
I find it strange that you are asking questions to me that are answered in the document after saying that you've read it. Likewise, the clarifications, available to the public, reaffirm the answers to these questions.
So assuming that you didn't read it then: my answer is the same. Sin cannot be blessed. People, whether individuals or couples of people, can be blessed. And that blessing can be given for extra graces to help those who, like St Augustine before his conversion, desire wanting to change but at that moment are still enslaved.
The pope has the keys to heaven and earth. If the Holy Ghost led him to provide extra kinds of blessings then that is great and in his right to do. I personally can use all the blessings that I can get, and I certainly don't want to turn those who struggle with this or that away from getting special blessings for conversion. May God grant conversion and grace to all who need it.
@@Jimboken1 The pope's job is to discern what the Church needs. I'm not sure why you think you can judge if the pope needs to create a document or not. Usually, when documents are created there is something that the creators know that we don't. That makes sense considering he is the head of the entire Church on this earth.
I am sorry if you are confused. But it is nothing from the document. Sometimes, I have read the bible and was confused. Instead of approaching it with suspicion, I went to the right places to find out what those passages meant. And I found the right answers. Atheists often approach scripture with an agenda and find error because they are confused. Likewise, if we read a document and are confused for a lack of understanding or because of an agenda, it is our choice to either seek understanding from those God has provided (the magisterium), or else act like Protestants and think we can use private judgement on such things.
As for me and my house, I'll stick with Christ and His Roman Catholic Church.
If they are in a state of Mortal sin how can they receive the grace from a blessing?? Genuine question. I fear the month of June ......
I’ll never honor or celebrate sinful behavior .
Father, it is all about union of spirit and matter. Now, sociopathy is caused by the environment; psychpathy is genetic. At some point sociopathy unchecked will become psychopathy. God alone can eradicate and cure psychopathy. It's the task of the Catholic Church to reinstate, reconcile and reincorporate the Protestant Luther. The forbidden fruit tastes sweetest. Divine love alone is the reconciliation of the opposites.
Is the crux of the matter....not the endless interpretation and debate surrounding the validity of the wording of FS...but the resulting effect of this document on priests, the laity and gay couples? What can be seen to be the fruits of this document and other such doc's and debates upon the world? Perhaps this is the only way to measure its worth. However it seems clear that where there is 'confusion' there will be scattered sheep. Whilst everyone is concerned with assuaging gay rights, the righteousness of family life is being further degraded and barely defended. If the fruit of all these 'wordy documents and synodal pathways' (which seem to be designed to make normal lay people feel stupid) is the destruction of true family rights..then we ought not, as lay people, to invest too much time trying to make sense of them.
so, minister and ministered will be intending opposite things.
Double speak at its best