Cutting Common Rafters Ep.72
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2020
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Every high school student should train in a trade - in my day, we called it SHOP CLASS. This guy is a gem.
If someone says that they have never cut something wrong or missed a layout mark. They haven’t done much of it. Stay safe 👍😊
Mike Adams so true mistakes are new lessons, unless you keep making the same ones lol
I cut shit wrong all the time. With a Skil saw. But chainsaws. Those are my friend s.
It's pretty much impossible to find an Essential Craftsman video that doesn't teach or reteach you something essential. 👍🏼
This fella knows his shit. Advise to anyone, listen and learn from a master tradesman.
"I guess this may be early onset something but... I forget what you call that." Hahahahaha! You're not losing anything. Unless I am too. :) 17:50
Paris Ashcroft I call it parttimers.. not full on alltimers 😂
I call it oldhiemer’s disease. I’ve had since I was a young man.
This detailed walkthrough on how to cut rafters is 100% brilliant.
I built a shed last summer with practically zero carpentry knowledge, and eyeballed my birdsmouth/seat cuts and the 'peak' cut.They aren't pretty, but they are beefy.
This video would have been invaluable last summer!
Keep up the good work :)
Its probably a common lament but as a retired carpenter/woodworker for literally my entire adult life I had many fine people with years of experience along the way and I learned a lot about my chosen trade that way. My biggest concern today is that so many young men and women are not the least bit interested in learning a manual trade. I used to even offer to teach the trade to anyone willing to learn. But sadly there were no takers. Everybody wants to push buttons on some electronic device because they believe that is where the big bucks are made. So my hat is off to guys like you because this type of information in video form shows people the satisfaction that can be had from building something. There's no feeling like being able to stand back and see your completed project and be able to say I built that or I had a hand in building that. So bless you for taking the time to produce such informative and instructive videos. Hopefully more of our younger generation will be inspired to learn and work in the trades. These people are sorely needed. After a lifetime of building I find I can still learn a few tricks to the trade myself.
"Perhaps" there is value in showing this all start to finish?? Without question! Your experiences and persona (personality, wisdom, humility, love for learning) put you and your son in the perfect situation to benefit all of us viewers.
The value of these videos for someone who really wants to learn is immeasurable, along with the format and narration. Been watching this from the beginning while working on my grandparents' house.
You can tell you're doing it right when people are "excited", not just interested, when you release each new video.
I’ve used this comment for years. “Anything worth doing is worth over-doing.” Glad to hear someone believes in the same principle.
Clearly, this is why lumber comes in 12 foot lengths. You need that much room to do all the imperial calculations. :D
(I'm Canadian BTW, and english/metric bi-math-ual)
I can't stand imperial, it's like dude is writing a book about simple measurement.
Actually, he just is.
Love his material though.
5 minutes in and he's still converting garbage measurement into garbage measurement, unbelievable.
You could use this to explain why metric just makes more sense lol
I’ve been in the trades 40 years and for whatever reason they’re is always guys that don’t want to teach or explain how to do something the right way or easier just weird how people are but this guy here essential craftsman is a real wealth of knowledge
What a joy to watch a father and son work.
"Enjoy the process instead of being in a hurry to see the outcome." Those are words of wisdom that I'd want to hear a builder say!
It’s this type of sincerity that really creates quality content.
I have to say that I am a product of a father-In-law master carpenter that is a meticulous and thorough as you are. So the connection when I began watching your videos was immediate. You're extremely easy to listen to and a wonderful narrator. Really enjoy watching and following along. I am horrible at cutting rafters so me and roofs are not compatible. I love interior trim and installing windows and doors, etc. Framing a house is amazing to me so look forward to the next one!! Awesome, awesome channel!
25 year old Electrician from Chicago here, love your videos. I have definitely learned a lot watching you over the years. thank you!
I think you're officially the Bob Villa for this time in history. The podcast a few days ago was very calming, educational, entertaining. Good times, keep it up.
Im a 31 year old builder and was taught by my dad who is 65, I respect the older generation in the industry they have alot to teach
Measure twice, cut once. Such a simple rule to follow, Ive seen numerous guys make short boards from long boards. Boards that are no longer long enough to do the job they were intended for.
Watched a kid cut a stack of garage door lam beams 3 1/2" short a few months ago. He was the grandson of the builder I was working for at the time and somehow felt he would be more "valued" as a cut man that day instead of just carrying stuff like we wanted him to. By the time Grandpa showed back up and started looking at the lams I knew he was gonna blow his stack, it was hilarious and sooo worth it. Some kids have a really hard time just doing what they are told, they watch one youtube vid and are suddenly and expert on a topic. Theres something to be said for the generations that worked their way up the ladder, literally, and learned valuable lessons along the way. Nowadays the first lesson is KEEP YOU DAMN PHONE IN YOUR LUNCH BOX!
Love watching a Master Carpenter build.
I got through four years of trade school and became a journeyman carpenter, and not once in that time was I taught about how to use a framing square or the rafter tables on it. Completely different approach here. It's cool to see your tricks!
Once ya learn the ways of the square there's no going back... be one with the square...let it flow threw you😉👍
Where is "Here" Justin?
That's incredible we did weeks on the framing square 30 + yrs ago in trade school. Hell I think i can do my taxes on it.
I'm a Dutch carpenter but love seeing how it's done in America
Keep up the good work!
Share something of yours (:
After working in the construction industry for 20 plus year one thing I don’t miss is those air hoses and extension cords thank god for cordless tools stay safe ✌️
You are providing invaluable service capturing the entire process from beginning to end to all those who want to build houses on their own or hire a general contractor to do the job. Thanks.
It is always helpful for a novice to hear a master say, "Sometimes, I screw it up." It gives the novice permission to learn by experience instead of expecting that everything has to be perfect the first time. I think *that* is one of the most valuable things that you -- and, by extension, your channel -- bring to the table. Thank you for sharing this project with us!
"but....I forget whatcha call it" lovely, funny, dear, sold man and friend to us all. we'll NEVER forget! Darrell
A human cannot explain it any clearer .Very educational 👍🇬🇧
I wish I could’ve worked with a master carpenter like this when I was young.
"Anything worth doing is worth overdoing!" is my motto for my 50 year working life - and I am a teacher! Now I know why I like these videos so much!
It's basically the engineer's creed, and by golly I try to live by it every day.
I never heard this phrase but definitely will remember it. My shop teacher dad ended with do it right the 1st time! At 88 he is still that way and safety conscious.
Actually, that's been my motto since I was a kid, but not always in a good way. My kids laugh at me that this is my rule for everything in life.
My Dad was a machinist and he said this often too.
Craig Blanche have you spent any time, let alone a full day, with kids in the last 5-10 years? They are work nowadays!
Essential Craftsman - the Larry Haun of the modern generation
Larry had poor work habits like overcutting birds mouths. Slopy workmanship. This guy is much better.
But he is still better than your carpentry work and you will not reach his level of productivity and skills even if you are the same age as him. The less ppe they wear, the more sketchy cuts and questionable shortcuts they make to make it structural and productive the better they are. Both of the older gentlemen are great carpenters in their owns way and we should all learn from every carpenter as much as possible.
Did someone just say Larry Haun had poor workmanship...? I never thought anyone could say a single bad thing about the man.
@@dielauwen careful now, dissing Larry is an enditable offence. Larey wasn't sloppy, he knew exactly how much strength he was working with.
Modern materials are different. We don't use old growth timbers any more, its farmed softwoods and OSB and so on, so the techniques need to adjust to materials.
We also know a lot more about engineering, so where Larry's house may not have survived a tornado, a modern house may. That's a design factor, not a sloppy builder.
Larry was very clear about following the code and said so constantly. If the code changes over time, so would have Larry.
dielauwen Ridiculous. I knew Larry and trust me there was nothing sloppy about him, and his work habits changed the way houses were framed. There is nothing wrong with overcutting a birds-mouth the way Larry did it. The tail was still 500% stronger than it needed to be. He saved 10 steps doing that. He and his 2 brothers framed one house per day, every day, for years, mostly nailing by hand Try that before commenting on “work habits”.
Thank You, Thank You , Thank You !
For teaching the VAST amount of knowledge you have accumulated over the years of work and “making friendships” with other craftsmen .
Please keep bringing in / training their next generation the Righteous way!
God Bless you & yours
Good evening, coming to you from Holden, Massachusetts. I am a Scaffold foreman mostly working in Boston and the surrounding suburbs. Something that has always interested me was doing residential framing. So far I have watched all of your videos on this house build sometimes multiple times. None the less I real appreciate you guys putting this video series together. The information is very useful hopefully I can use it some day. Cheers!!!! PS. You guys will defiantly be keeping my crew and I company while we are laid off due to the Corona virus any feed back is much appreciated. I'm sure you guys are busy. Thanks again! - Bryan, MA
Second thought! You could probably out work most of the guys I work with! keep on going I hope I can climb around framing when i'm your age. A lot of respect!
"... perhaps some value..." don't sell yourself short. I am not a contractor, I have no clue what you are doing but this is OUTSTANDING quality of information and explanations and should be mandatory viewing for everybody working on a house build and for those who have one built for them! Thank you, Sir,.
Thanks for the video and the entire series. It's always nice to see the older guys who can still get it done and pass their learning and wisdom along as they do.
The jigs (saw guides) you make to increase production and ensure consistency. Respect.
Honestly, you will never find a good carpenters like HIM.
I really liked the no nonsense calculation using the framing square and Imperial sizes and this is coming from a metric guy.
My middle school memory tells me to use math for this and I came up with the following result
Total span is 19'7" = 235" --> half span is 235"/2 = 117.5"
Rise is 117.5" / 12 x 8 =78(1/3)"
Length (Pythagorean equation) = Square root of ((117.5)^2 + (78(1/3))^2) = 141.21"
That's good....you got out of Imperial into decimal on the first line of your solution.
@@davidrichardson376 Standard uses decimal also, there is nothing specifically metric about it.
@@firesurfer IMHO a decimal fraction of a foot is absurd. Decimal fractions are at home in metric.
@@davidrichardson376 Don't tell that to surveyors.
www.amazon.com/engineering-scale-ruler/s?k=engineering+scale+ruler They use tenths all the time.
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A framing square is the real thing as it has inches with a tenth scale, a twelfth scale and even sixteenth for die hard customary/imperial people.
30 years in and I'm still learning .thank you very much for this master class
I think this series in going to become a classic people refer to for years to come. As an architect that's on site a lot and a RUclipsr, it's true that there are some aspect that we miss a lot. I wish this series was done when I built my house last year, but I'm sure I will look back at this for info in the future. There's something special about watching it as it goes up ; enjoying every second of this build!
Thank you for taking the time to show us your craft.
Love the framer trick of sinking the saw into the top of the rafter. Also, why not leave the ceiling vaulted? Wouldn't that be much nicer and feel bigger? Just curious what led to that decision.
I surely do miss the smell on a job like this. All that clean fir---still love it.
It juju
Just finished building a simple-ish staircase for my son's trampoline. Love that smell of cut wood :)
Love construction and your videos sir
That smell always reminds me of being in my great granddad's shop
I'm an Australian kitchen benchtop stonemason and only see small portions of the build in my day to day work. Here you are wisening us up to so much more and it's so interesting and informative. Kind of wish now I became a chippy instead. Thanks.
I’m a master plumber and master in Hvac and you’re right. We really don’t get to see the whole build. I would love to learn carpentry while helping to build out a home. Keep up the good work.
As always, a delight watching your video. Your so absolutely correct, so many times I'm in a hurry to enjoy the outcome versus the journey
Love you videos!!! Even more important these days or the ones to come... Be safe everyone!
To my fellow DIYers, 15:06 and on is all the motivation we all need. Thank you sir.
"Enjoy the process instead of being in a hurry to enjoy the outcome". Pure Gold. Thank you
“I guess this could be signs of early onset but I forget what you call it”. 🤣
"I cut that board twice and it was still too short!"
Thank you for sharing your Beautiful craft with us all people like you are essential to this world God Bless you and your family love from Ireland
By far my favorite channel. Maybe it's because I, too, have been building houses for over forty years, and I tend to understand your little jokes about forgetting takeoffs occasionally, or over preparation to make a job easier. I think you mentioned that the house you were working on was for your daughter. As fate would have it, I am currently building my daughters house. Lol, yes, she pulled me out of retirement as well.
I really like the detail and explanation on cutting rafters. I’m one of those guys who does like to see and hear about every detail on how it’s done. Thanks for adding the music info to the notes, Nate! I always wanted that too.
I cut rafters off of a template and I reverse engineered it to teach myself this years ago when I started building toolsheds. Man did I wish I had this video then. You explained things I taught myself with a speed square through trial and era in a drawn out process. I liked seeing how you gang cut rafters too we’d be a lot faster doing them like that. I’m gonna try that once we go back to work after isolation
Me too. I ended up devising my own system. I set the ridge and then measured to the back of the birds mouth diagonally across the board. Test fit, then trace from a template. I know, I know, a complete abomination to any self-respecting rafter man, but it did/does work and I had to do it that way bcz the boss (the real rafter man) would never take the time to show me the right way.
Only stupid way is the way that doesn’t work
@@psidvicious That's exactly how I'd taught myself how to do it as well. Seemed like the easiest way to be able to measure it out.
@@Gottesacker86 Haha! It seemed like the easiest way at the time, not knowing any better, right? You already know what the pitch angle is, so that’s not a problem transferring that to the board. Just needed that one pesky measurement for the rafter length 🤷♂️
psidvicious exactly! I have to admit too, I’d never thought to do the rafters first, then the ridge. Though thinking about it, I’d watched Larry Haun do it that way too, but I guess once you’ve got your way of doing it, ya tend to stick to it. I’ll definitely try this method out next time though.
I am getting ready to start a carpentry apprenticeship in the UK and I have been finding your videos very helpful, thank you for this series. On the note of imperial/metric the UK is a little convoluted in that people will often use a combination of the two, when I am talking to my dad about measurements he makes me convert my metric measurements to imperial 😄 he refuses to use metric.
You can always cut more off. If needed. "Go get my board stretcher" I've been looking for it for 15 years now. Hahaha. I love this channel. Keep up the great work
I'd love to work out there with you fellas. The scenery is unreal. Great work!
I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. Your a master of your craft for certain.
You, sir, are a National Treasure!
Really really helpful. I appreciate the calm and clear voice.
Amazing content, keep it coming! Clicked immediately, even though I'm at work.
"this might be early onset... something, but I forget what you call that". Well played :)
i absolutely laughed out loud on that one
Watching you work and listening to you explain is therapeutic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This man is a TRUE American worker.... like the Merle haggard tune. "Workin' man blues"
Scott, I learned more about rafters today. You corrected some of my thoughts about how to do them. I could have missed it, but did you talk about crown? I have one half of a cathedral ceiling where the crown is upside down. Looking on the roof it is a visible bow down. However on the ceiling side I think they shimmed firing strips to flatten out the bow.
Jim Harris I believe a crown should always be hung with the high side up. The theory is the weigh will bring it flat; whereas if it’s opposite, gravity will only make it worse.
"Everything is easy, once you know how.." Love this statement.
The hallmark of any professional executing their job is to make it look easy. People that do a job day in and day out, or repeat a process more frequently than someone else, will make the difficult seem easy. The professional has the confidence of experience and knowing each step almost without thinking. Your advise, don’t be afraid to fail, resonates to the average “non-professional”. Those words and advice apply to anything in life, don’t be afraid to take on the next thing because of failure! Outstanding and thanks for the great work you all do!
This guy is a wealth of knowledge...such a wholesome guy.
i am so glad i don't have to deal with the imperial system... its so much extra work
If you actually learn standard, it makes much more sense than metric.
@@bobsmith-ru7xp Your right people complain then dont bother to learn anything.
@@bobsmith-ru7xp It really does not in any way shape or form make more sense than metric. Ever.
@@eggsoups Don't know about North American rulers but all rulers in Europe go down to the millimetre.
It's only difficult for those that don't use it. I don't need a calculator to do 1/16" conversion because I use it all the time. The same goes for using cups/pints/quarts/etc. I rarely need to convert inches to feet since every measuring tape I own has both and I'm sure he doesn't either. There are numerous short cuts for these calculations that he isn't showing in order to explain them. The imperial system is so easy to learn we teach children in the United States how to use both it and the metric system.
The imperial system is based on biological averages. I can use parts of my body to rough out measurements. My index finger middle joint is about 1" long (25mm). My foot is about .. a foot (30cm). It's about a yard from my outstretched hand to my nose, a fathom between my hands. When I walk, it's about 5' between two steps, so I can measure out the distance. Very handy when playing golf. One hundred degrees is just about the average body temperature.
We could just as easily use decimal-marked imperial tools. Why don't we?? Because the imperial measuring system is based on powers of two. It's pretty darn easy to divide things by half or double. The fractions aren't that difficult for people that do it all the time. And, as you noticed, if it's within 1/16", it's close enough for most woodworking. If I am working with metal, I might measure in metric or I might switch to measuring devices that use decimal values instead of fractions. Most of my digital measuring devices can display in metric and either decimal or fractional imperial.
Here is the US, we teach metric and imperial in our schools. We give our citizens the option to use either. All products sold have both metric and imperial measurements on them. Almost every thermometer has centigrade and Fahrenheit. When I cook, I tend to weigh things and use grams when I'm making bread. But I'm just as capable of using a button on the scale to change to pounds/ounces if I prefer. All of my measuring cups have liters, cups, pints, quarts, and fluid ounces.
The US has historically chosen freedoms over the need for the government to babysit them and tell them what is best for them. I believe that started almost 250 years ago when we told the British that we would just do things our way and they can leave us alone. In the 70s when the government tried to tell us to switch to metric, we told them to shove off.
Grew up in the US framing, roofing and pouring concrete. Moved to Europe when I was in my late 20's. Dear God why do we not use metric in the US. I grew up doing all these calculations and thinking they were simple. WHY?
"Do as I say and not as I do " the king said"my foot Will be the standard.
My favourite part is having to convert the measurement to decimal, do the calculation, and convert back again to measure... there are some benefits to imperial, but they’re massively outweighed by the math-friendliness of metric
I moved to Texas almost 2 years ago. I am a qualifed builder, I use both but metric is far more accurate and better to use.
In Canada we have metric system but as a carpenter for shy of 40 yrs I still use imperial system . Laying out cabinetry is nice to use metric .
16:38 Enjoying the process. 🙏🏼
Old school. True craftsman and real gentleman.
Years from now, someone is going to be crawling around in the attic and see all that math scrawled on a piece of wood, wondering what it means...
4:00 -> **COUGH**COUGH*metricsystem*COUGH**
You should go to a standard doctor.
I hope your self isolating
I absolutely love your channel sir. I’ve been in the industry for close to 40-yrs now and I’m always learning something or reminded of something that I haven’t/used for quite a while outside of training in job corps back in the 80’s and 90’s.
Peace and blessings to you, and "Keep up the good work". 👍🏾👏
A video demonstrating how to use a framing square and speed square would be a great rainy day video. On those aluminum walkways, we call them walkboards in my part of SC/NC. I am on the state line. Been here all of my life. It still amazes me after 42 years how much is the same around the North American construction sites that have different terminology. Keep the videos coming and you'll have at least one person eagerly waiting to watch.
Already been done ruclips.net/video/V1S4ZVHDc9A/видео.html
Got to admit, I'm going to be kinda sad once this house is finished.
-The collective gasp of horror, of a little math, from all the ‘metric-onlys’ in the comments is pretty humorous 😂. Actually the amount of non-Americans watching this build is what’s most surprising to me. You must be on to something Scott and Nate!
-I have to confess, I was never a great cut man when it came to cutting in roofs. I eventually devised my own system, and it works, but a real rafter-man would cringe at my technique 😣.
But, it wasn’t really my fault. When I learned to frame, the boss was the ‘roof-cutter-guy’ and never had the time to show me (or anyone else for that matter) how it was done. And he was good at it. I do remember that. He would have the entire roof cut in before we even had all the joists on the walls. Including all the hip/val jack-rafters. It always amazed me.
“....prepare to enjoy the process- not just rush to the outcome. “
Will do!
I used to have a kink in my lower back, but it's been gone for a hot minute. All thanks to you and your review on the buckaroos.
Makes me appreciate my metric system.... don’t know what the Brits were thinking!
Yeah, you already have the measurement there. but then multiply part of it with 16 to get something you can read on a thing that is meant to measure stuff. I am blown away with how people put up with all these conversions.
On the other hand. they can multiply and combine fractions way better than I can.
Michael Hamburg its easy if you have sufficient IQ.
@@badlandskid But way more susceptible to errors in calculation. Especially if not every person on the site has a good math sense.
The metric system is global, the UK uses both, whichever suits, it’s only Murcans that still don’t commonly use metric, except their scientists of course.😬
@@badlandskid the whole thing was dumb. he had to do 2 fraction conversions and use a lookup table. with 10th grade math and metric it would be much simpler. he wrote a wrong number in the middle of his video explaining how to do it this way
In metric countries, rafters cut themselves.
Yep.....Imperial measurements waste head space !!!
@@davidrichardson376 no, metric suck. hard to see numerical errors. 0.01 cm = 1 mm = 0.0001 m.
@@LongNguyen-ds4hf Think I found your problem- 0.1cm = 1mm = 0.001 m. You're off by a decimal point in your conversions.
@@LongNguyen-ds4hf Smart people use "mm" for everything............easy as.................
@@LongNguyen-ds4hf That's why in construction all measurements are in mm so you don't have to worry about unit conversions
Although I'll never build a house, this series (end everything you've put on youtube) has been the most enjoyable thing I've ever watched. I've told countless people about it, and I hope they are enjoying it as much as I do. If I ever win the lottery, I'd hire you and your crew in a heartbeat to build my dream house. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have do it. Thanks for sharing.
Scott, at about 7:57 you looked like a boss ninja making that jump! Love it brother!
You call forgetting to subtract what's on top, "Being Human".
my balance is so terrible i would fell off from those planks immediately :D
World is going crazy with coronavirus. Scott and Nate are building a nice house. I will watch the build, not the dang news!! Thanks guys.
Man I love this guy and his videos. He explains so well how to do things. It's like watching old instructional videos from the 80' and 90's. Mainly because of the sound of his voice. He should do voiceovers 😎
This seems very archaic to convert from fractional to decimal. Calculate a length. Then, convert from decimal to fractional. But, a carpenter's square, what a fantastic tool.
Again the crazy Imperial System of measurement...
The standard system of measurement if you please.
So many comments already! Really wish I would have had you to show me the framing square back 30 years ago... The lead carpenter nor anyone else knew how to use the square as it was intended. I learned on my own by reading and luckily working with an older finish carpenter who no longer had to lay out rafters.
Thank you, and I hope others appreciate and respect the education you are providing. 😊
My favorite RUclips channel.
Love the series, but I'm still more comfortable taking the engine out of your truck...
"Enjoy the process, not the outcome"
You don't know how many times I've said this to my wife.
But if at all possible, enjoy both.
@@Carl-LaFong1618 I somehow feel there is a joke lurking deep within your statement. :)
Going back to watch a few episodes on rafters. I am building my own garage and just needs some reminders and some inspiration. Thanks
Thank you so much for your gentle nature. It sure takes a lot of the intimidation
Have you watch "the crazy framer' where this framer frames a house by himself.
Last season he was building in 40 below.
Converting inches into decimals of feet. Now you're just trolling us. :p
Such a great series! I've been working as a carpenter for 37 years now, and still, I'm enjoying every minute of these videos! Keep em coming!
I did some DIY carpentry a long time ago, I remember the basics. But I never knew beyond that, THANK YOU GOOD SIR FOR THIS VIDEO! I've seen a few various instructional videos. Even tried to make one. You sir, have avoided the so many ways it could be worse. Your instructional style, and video coverage is simply superb!
I also finally learned about some tools, what they're called, and relearned carpentry/ build terms.
And I loved the explanations and examples of the why and what happens when its done right or wrong. And of course the tips and words of encouragement.