I sold my cr480 .. 2 strokes was scary and I went to 450 ... 4strokes but also had a 250 two strokes yz and an old 250 two strokes Honda 1992 ( great machine ) .... sold my 250 two strokes 1999 Suzuki that was a freak bike like turbo late response and light weight scary bike told the old man who bought it be careful he said he knew them had same bike in Macedonia 😅
Have owned a few CR 500s back in the 80s and 90s when you could rip them to young ladies houses in the middle of night through fields and ditch banks. Leaving the young ladies bed smelling like burnt Golden Spectro.
Now just imagine the 500 2 stroke engine maybe updated alittle bit, in a modern chassis with modern suspension. Now that would be a step in the right direction.
So after hundreds of millions of dollars spent on R&D, and 34 years , all they could come up with is a 0.1 second improvement per lap over the CR. Goes to show how dominant 2 strokes really are. The CR was breathing through 1989 technology and it still kicks ass.
Check the description, the 500 was making a whopping 72 horsepower! Down almost 20 horsepower and the 450 just edged it out. Chassis and suspension tech have come a long ways as well as smooth controllable power.
@@DR.P3RKYlet's see, chassis same old 27-28 head angles along with r/t. Same old weights. Suspension same inverted fork tech with rebound and compression valving and internal springs with optional valving, shock same linkage types with rebound and compression adjustments and wrapped spring. All forms of racing less power means easier to manage. As far as managing 60+ hp no mx bikes made to date have a flatter power curve than the 500 of 90s. So not really is my reply. The increase in cost over the years does not justify the disappointment in lack of new tech that should come with that price tag.
Yea, but now there are no bumps on the dirt covered road race tracks, and nobody, (not even MXA), understands how to adjust the suspension,---because they don't need to. But, now riding again, I would have to say the tires got a lot better since 89.
This why I still own a 500,for me it's just better value for money every 300 hours I put rings in it so,nothing else has gone wrong with it(I bought it new in 2001) and it still sticks easy with my mates new bikes plus it sounds like a race bike instead of a tractor and has more street cred because they are awesome
30 odd years old and can still mix it testament to the greatness of the 2 stroke CR500 I have an 86 model its great and going up rapidly in value also win win situation.
@@eugenetapley5547 fr, he was not touching the power band almost the whole time, he’s a lot more comfortable on the 450, if they had someone that was a good rider on a bigger 2 stroke then it would be a different story
@@slowboat6021rider difference. CR500 2t would get destroyed against 450 4t in a race. Much better torque, easier to manage and same top end. This was all rider skill difference. They should have traded bikes between starts.
Got air lifted to the ICU when I was 13 with my brother holding on. We were 5 th gear wide open already late coming home.. Next thing I know I'm the emergency room strapped to a bed. 1 helicopter ride, Staff of 18 people, Right orbit in 121 pieces, Both arms broken, Right leg mutilated. Knee cap was backwards,. Thank jesus for looking out for me and saving my and my brothers lives. Now I'm 42 and after watching this video, I'm getting a 500!!!!!!!!🤙👍✌😜🙃🤪🤞🤜💥🗯🙏
I have been riding since 1968 and racing since 1973 on my CR 250. I won my share of races, but not until I moved to the open class did I excel. I was 6 2. 205 lbs and those skinny guys that passed me on the long starts on my 250 got smoked on the hotshot when I moved to open class. It's all about horsepower to weight ratio. I ran my 450 Maico and Cr 500 on the pipe like a 125 two stroke. No lugging!!!
I rode a YZ250F and an RM-Z450 before I said "fuck 4 strokes" and bought my 2001 CR 250R. I'll never go back to 4 strokes. I've had my 01 since 2016 and I have no plans for getting rid of it any time soon.
Lmao. All that time, money and R&D put into that “vastly superior,” far more complicated, less reliable and eventually disposable 4 stroke, just to get absolutely destroyed over and over again by a 33 year old 5 hundo. I love it…
The rider dude must have A.D.D. !!! After the completion of his laps on both bikes , he remarks the 4 stroke is Fast, can't compare them , not even in the same wo
I had an 89 cr just like that when I was in middle school. I wished I had kept it. But I traded that for a Toyota celica . What a beautiful monster and clean
SICK VIDEO I LOVE IT!!! DO MORE LIKE THIS ITS GOOD TO SEE THE 500 HAVE SAME LAP TIME AS THE 450 ITS ALL THE RIDER REALLY JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF RIDING I LOVE THE TWO STROKES I HAD THEM ALL A 500 I HAD ALOT OF FUN ON!!! KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING GREAT STUFF
I know what you are saying, I was there back then. But these tracks are much more like a dirt filled road race track than a real MX track that took more talent. I didn't think he was that fast though. He could clear the jumps,--but everybody on that track has slow-mo corner speed.
Nice vid. love the two strokes. A buddy of mine and I fitted a 01 CR250 engine in a 2007 CRF450R frame. Basically an AF Honda bike. It's a joy to ride.
Ace video! Thanks for sharing. Broke the front Rim on my '89 on a vid 2 month back, 30 yrs after my last ride. You have a well set one here, lovely air- always well balanced bikes despite the macho image they seemed to have attracted nowadays- great all rounders once the forks were sorted.👍👍👍👍👍
Um, not sure if youre too young to remember or just forgot but the open class 2 strokes died in the 1980s because they werent competitive.........with the 250s.
@@someonebald2022 all todays comparisons are biased and usually consist of quarter mile drag races, tracks with an absence of tight corners or straight up lies. They all focus on horsepower, never in the history of dirtbike racing has a team used "more power" as a formula to win races.
@@ibewillow looking through some of the other posts I'd say your opinion is a minority opinion. Not that that's a bad thing. 🙃 Who wants to agree all the time?
@@someonebald2022 Its not an opinion at all, its a fact. In the mid 80s the 500cc 2 stroke MX bike was detuned by around 10hp, which made it more competitive but still slower around almost every track in the world than the 250cc bikes. By the 1990s there was no prestige in riding the open class which generally consisted of only a few riders, the premiere class by this time was 250cc. Manufacturers were struggling to give away 500cc bikes and it wasnt uncommon to see 500cc bikes sitting on dealer floors that were built two years earlier. The thing about youtube comments is that people that know this wouldnt generally bother clicking on the video. The only people that actually believe a 500cc 2 stroke would be competitive with a modern 450 in motocross either wasnt born when the 500cc bikes used to compete or theyre a knuckle dragger that never raced and judges performance from dyno figures.
I would be interested to see what the 500's lap time was like if our man had a couple of weeks to get used to the two stroke, I have a feeling it would beat the 450 lap time. It was nice to see someone giving the 500 some stick, not many can get the big bore two stroke that far into the rev range.
Enough of you idiots thinking a 500 is faster at the track!! It’s not about horsepower it’s about how good you can put the power to the floor and how good of a rider you are!!! I have a kx 500 and two 450s I much rather enjoy riding the 450s 90% of the time
Good times . I just wonder if the cr500 more was in a modern chassis say a 2015 or newer if you’d post faster times ??? I mean better breaks , modern susp with a lil more travel & a stiffer frame to put the power down more efficiently . Either way it goes to show that a cr500 dinosaur in todays standards can still hood it’s own . I myself own a a/f 500 03 chassis with a 91 motor . Great bike sold my crf’s as the 500 cab do everything they could while costing me a fraction of the maintenance & it’s just simple .
I think if you would lower the suspension travel of a 4-stroke to about 10", the lap times will be better because it will corner better. Bikes are too tall today. This 89 probably is easier to corner, and you don't really need 12" of travel for the smooth tracks today. This track is a parking lot (bump and rough wise) compared to what the 89 raced on in 89. I was there. :) These tracks look like fun vet tracks for old guys like me.
Goes to show what a beast the 500 is. Decades of R&D have gone into the 450's and they are only now nearing the performance of a 2 stroke from the 80's and that's at the expense of reliability. These 450's are extremely high strung machines. All the 500 needs is a bit of work to bring it into the 21st century and you've got far more power than a 450 while retaining a dependable engine. It's no wonder the prices for 500's are climbing.
Makes my heart ache missing the days gone by. At 57 years old I can only dream of my big CR but to pin that throttle one more time is but a dream. Sold it and my KTX 300 and go at a much slower pace now. He's almost there but still riding it like a four stroke. Like was said a hardcore young man would be unbeatable but the vibration we just accepted and I'm sure the newer geometry bikes are more comfortable. Long live the CR 500! Maybe I'll get lucky and find one local for sale.
The key to faster lap times is to make sure you kick out the rear on all jumps. It actually slows you down, not by much but it still does. Perpetual motion needs constant direction. Change of direction slows the motion.
Back in the late 70's, my buddy Phil, (probably about 90lbs), had a 73 Honda 250 Elsinore, (which probably only made less than 30 hp back then), and he would pull a start on grass in 3rd with no problem. You just did not see that much. :)
Well tuned 500 with pipe, squish cylder head, and proper jetting can go to a 60-65hp, that is what a tuned todays 450 makes, biggest diffrence is brakes, stiffer and modern geometry chasiss and of course suspension. 500 are more challenging and harder on your body than a 450.
Nope. The only thing a 4-stroke bike has on a 2-stroke bike is the 4-stroke hooks up to the ground better, and that is why they can ride bigger hp and still keep everything under control. I know of 250cc 2-strokes that make 90 plus hp, (like a v-twin Honda road racing engine my buddy was putting in a quad sand drag racer), and I am sure you would not want to race it on a MX track, (even if they do look more like road race courses today).
@@EarthSurferUSA Are you not gonna mention how 4 strokes make their torque all throughout the powerband vs a 2 stroke in a very narrow stretch of it, you dont have to rev a 450 to make power but on a 2 stroke u have to and also the 500 has almost 50 more ccs on the 450 its not a cc vs cc comparison anymore
@@bgjb-r1499 egyetértek veled teljes mértékben igazad van, de csak menet közben, tényleg halkabbak,mert öblösebb hangjuk van de üresben az XL vagy a DR a hangosabb.
@@s.a.t419 I remember reading that article. But you're completely wrong about the result. AMA pros were a full SIX seconds a lap faster on the 450 compared to the 500. You could not have been more wrong.
Nothing like a big two stroke on Castro R to pull you around a track. The sounds, smell and acceleration are something you have to experience to understand.
Oh, but the sound of that two stroke. I could almost smell the 2-Cycle engine oil burning. It brings back a lot of memories. Back in the 80's it's all I ever road was a two stroke. Put that two stroke in a modern frame with a modern suspension and it would probably win every time.
Remember opinionated people who have been riding for 2years ,that's a EFFEN 450CC FOURSTROKE . Make it 500cc and then test it again , it will smash that lawnmower .
I raced a cr250 back in the day and took my mates 500 out once, it gave me the mutha of a never ending tank slapper which put me off that beast for life, but i do remember the Dang dang dang soundtrack, happy days.
Great video, the rider took some different lines on both bikes. And looked a little more comfortable on the 4 stroke. Which bike did the rider think was the more fun?
I had one of the first cr 500's back in the mid to late 80's and it took me a while to be able to ride it to it's full potential. It was a mean bike and you sure had to respect it. My friends would beg me to ride it and then gave it back almost as soon as they got on it. The thing was a bitch to start and the kid I sold it to would beg me to come over and start it for him just so he could ride it, push starting was out of the question even pulling it with a pickup and three of on it, it would just lock the back tire and chew the knobbies off, I didn't mind the 45 kicks to get it goin because I got to ride it all the time that way. I had one leg bigger than the other for awhile. This brought back some good memories, Thanks!
-Even though it was very super fast I would not put up with that starting problem & i would need to get rid of it. What fun is a bike that takes that long to start.
Ol'500 chassis was always the best choice for taller riders. I'll always remember this kid that came to buy one I had and tried to start it wearing Nike's 🤣🤣🤣 I said "kid this isn't the bike for you, maybe go find a 125!"
Dude looked a lot smoother on the 500. If the 450s were a cr250 replacement why is everyone comparing them to the 500s? That tells you maybe there needs to be a crf 300 or 350 to more be in line and managable with the old 250s.
Even old pro racers like David Bailey say that the modern 450 is a replacement for the open-class bike, just much easier to ride. Given that, then they should not be riding against the 250cc smokers as they did 20 years ago. They had an unfair advantage.
As one who has ridden or raced since 1984 and witnessed so many things, I would have to say that to compete heads-up against the 450 pro race bike, as 2-stroke would need 325-350cc. Conversely, if you want to tone down the 4-stroke to allow a 250cc smoker to compete, I would say they need to be cut down to about 300cc. Never will happen, but those numbers sound right to me.
CR 500 grabs the lead off every start. Now that was funny. Add a little of that tech into the two strokers and the 4 strokers would be a part of the past. Imo. Oh and I ride a thumper today but lets be real, there's nuttin like 2 stroke power biiiing, bing bing bing. Great video! Thanks.👍
So In 32 years of four strokes improving technology.... They failed.. Same pace Think if two strokes was evolved and improved for all those 32 years till today ..
First off this track is sick and you absolutly rip, but im wondering if anyone has ever doubled down the hill at 2:57? Looks massive but maybe possible if you started off track or something?
The 500 is an open class bike and has lower rake for faster straightaways. The 450F is more like the old 250cc two cycle class and is in a different league from the 500cc. On a larger track the 450 wont stand a chance.
Looked to me that in the corners the 4 stroke went better cause it looked easy to ride cause of the engine brake i think the results will vary depend on the track and its straight or curve characteristics
Back in the early 80"s I worked at a Honda dealer. I didn't even understand the 500's, thought they were for very large people. I was at about 125 lbs and could easily ride a 125cc bike faster. I could barely start a 500. Both feet on the starter and jumped would just get enough to start a well tuned CR500.
Great video thoroughly enjoyed it. And it doesn't matter you got a quicker time on the 4 stroke. The 2 stroke wins by virtue of beautiful music.😝Love the smokers. My channel has lots of smoky street bike stuff. Edit: I just looked at your channel and shall spend some time here today. Looks like lots of great videos.
I would love to see a good rider (pro level) doing the shootout. The rider is dogging it and (I'm guessing) is a novice-class rider. Of course, you have to start somewhere, and kudos to this fellow for posting the video. All I'm saying is that I hate to see a shootout of two bikes when they are being ridden at a level less than their capablity.
@@jameskoskinen6763 CR500 is all low to mid. You dont gain anything, you just get tired faster. Watch footage of the 500 nationals. Other bikes were revving while the CRs practically idle around the track by comparison. And yes, my lap times are very quick and consistant at my home track, and I have been riding 500s for 30+ years, and have 4 bikes of 3 different makes. (1 Yam, 1 Kawa and 2 Hondas).
You want to win at the track? You practice on a two stroke CR500 then race on the weekend using a four stroke 450. The vibrations of the CR500 step up physical conditioning to another level. The CR500's brutal ride also trains the mind to endure the most numbing and painful arm pump ever.
So many opinions about lugging, short shifting, over revving.Makes no sense to me.If the rear wheel is hooking up.Red line the 2 stroke until you cant see straight! This guy did it right.How the heck does lugging around translate to a faster lap?! There is no way unless your on a dry sand beach.
You guys see the big whip at the very end? 👀
Sure did , wicked 🤘
Mind a kettő gyilkos, nekem 2005 Honda crf 450 és egy 1989 Honda cr 500 és egy 1988 Kawasaki kx 500-asom van.
I sold my cr480 .. 2 strokes was scary and I went to 450 ... 4strokes but also had a 250 two strokes yz and an old 250 two strokes Honda 1992 ( great machine ) .... sold my 250 two strokes 1999 Suzuki that was a freak bike like turbo late response and light weight scary bike told the old man who bought it be careful he said he knew them had same bike in Macedonia 😅
Yep as well as the near arse end slide out on the CR lol
That was kinda funny at the end when they were doing starts and the 500 pulled away and did a wheelie on the way out 😂
Have owned a few CR 500s back in the 80s and 90s when you could rip them to young ladies houses in the middle of night through fields and ditch banks. Leaving the young ladies bed smelling like burnt Golden Spectro.
Greatest and most accurate comment in history
I second that!
it's in the 3rd amendment
Best shit I've ever read
I've been known to do that same thing. One time on my dad's Bultaco Pursang with a flash light taped to the bars. Lol
I'll stick with my CR500. If I want to make fart sounds I'll buy a can of beans.....................
Now just imagine the 500 2 stroke engine maybe updated alittle bit, in a modern chassis with modern suspension. Now that would be a step in the right direction.
CR500AF
@@eljefe6758 lol
@@bashdean I'm perplexed by your lol?
Yup👍🏾
Closest thing we've got to the is the Husky or KTM 300's
So after hundreds of millions of dollars spent on R&D, and 34 years , all they could come up with is a 0.1 second improvement per lap over the CR. Goes to show how dominant 2 strokes really are. The CR was breathing through 1989 technology and it still kicks ass.
The late 80s was the end of development they can only go so fast around a track any faster you crash hard
Check the description, the 500 was making a whopping 72 horsepower! Down almost 20 horsepower and the 450 just edged it out. Chassis and suspension tech have come a long ways as well as smooth controllable power.
@@DR.P3RKYlet's see, chassis same old 27-28 head angles along with r/t. Same old weights. Suspension same inverted fork tech with rebound and compression valving and internal springs with optional valving, shock same linkage types with rebound and compression adjustments and wrapped spring. All forms of racing less power means easier to manage. As far as managing 60+ hp no mx bikes made to date have a flatter power curve than the 500 of 90s. So not really is my reply. The increase in cost over the years does not justify the disappointment in lack of new tech that should come with that price tag.
Give him and extra 10 laps on the cr to warm up abit and I reckon he would have closed th gap
The 450 replaced the cr250 not the 500, yeah this is an irrelevant comparison
The biggest improvement since 1989 is in the suspension.
Yes for sure. Then FI , E-start etc. Tho the biggest MX bike development happened in 80s era.
And 4 strokes in general
Would like to see a 500 engine in a modern 450 frame. I bet that would be something else.
Yea, but now there are no bumps on the dirt covered road race tracks, and nobody, (not even MXA), understands how to adjust the suspension,---because they don't need to. But, now riding again, I would have to say the tires got a lot better since 89.
@Cale Phillips daymn, didn't realise that. Now if I was twenty-five years younger with 25k burning a hole in my wallet, I'd have one any day.
This why I still own a 500,for me it's just better value for money every 300 hours I put rings in it so,nothing else has gone wrong with it(I bought it new in 2001) and it still sticks easy with my mates new bikes plus it sounds like a race bike instead of a tractor and has more street cred because they are awesome
30 odd years old and can still mix it testament to the greatness of the 2 stroke CR500 I have an 86 model its great and going up rapidly in value also win win situation.
Just goes to show you how much a beast the 500's were. 33 years later and still keeping up.
Lol!! Sorry homeboy rode scared on the 500...lol on a track made for 450's 😂😂😂
actually left the 4stroke for dead on all the starts...
@@eugenetapley5547 fr, he was not touching the power band almost the whole time, he’s a lot more comfortable on the 450, if they had someone that was a good rider on a bigger 2 stroke then it would be a different story
@@slowboat6021rider difference. CR500 2t would get destroyed against 450 4t in a race. Much better torque, easier to manage and same top end. This was all rider skill difference. They should have traded bikes between starts.
What a great video! The first time I rode my dad's 500 I thought my fingers were going to rip off. Best dirt bike ever!
The sound of the 2 stroke is just way better regardless.
Yes, you are very right, lol
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@@donaldtrumpstwitteraccount8171 yepa
Having only riden 2-stroke dirtbikes I disagree
Got air lifted to the ICU when I was 13 with my brother holding on.
We were 5 th gear wide open already late coming home..
Next thing I know I'm the emergency room strapped to a bed.
1 helicopter ride,
Staff of 18 people,
Right orbit in 121 pieces,
Both arms broken,
Right leg mutilated. Knee cap was backwards,.
Thank jesus for looking out for me and saving my and my brothers lives.
Now I'm 42 and after watching this video, I'm getting a 500!!!!!!!!🤙👍✌😜🙃🤪🤞🤜💥🗯🙏
Wow😮
Go easy and be careful
I have been riding since 1968 and racing since 1973 on my CR 250. I won my share of races, but not until I moved to the open class did I excel. I was 6 2. 205 lbs and those skinny guys that passed me on the long starts on my 250 got smoked on the hotshot when I moved to open class. It's all about horsepower to weight ratio. I ran my 450 Maico and Cr 500 on the pipe like a 125 two stroke. No lugging!!!
I rode a YZ250F and an RM-Z450 before I said "fuck 4 strokes" and bought my 2001 CR 250R. I'll never go back to 4 strokes. I've had my 01 since 2016 and I have no plans for getting rid of it any time soon.
That suspension on the 500 looked so smooth vs that 450. Love to have mine ride like that
Getting my suspension done was a great investment on my '96.
Lmao. All that time, money and R&D put into that “vastly superior,” far more complicated, less reliable and eventually disposable 4 stroke, just to get absolutely destroyed over and over again by a 33 year old 5 hundo. I love it…
Hhahaahah! right on point!!!
Less reliable? Hell no. No fouling plugs no need to mix gas. Smooth predictable power.
@@magstrikefjerstad3192 let's see you keep that 4 stroke rebuilt... Lol... and how many times? NOT ! 😂😂😂
@@billturner1240 ????
@@billturner1240 I won’t need to unlike a two stroke
The rider dude must have A.D.D. !!! After the completion of his laps on both bikes , he remarks the 4 stroke is Fast, can't compare them , not even in the same wo
Biggest improvement I've done on both of my 4 stroke crf150rb's is drop a cr125 in one and a kx250 motor in the other. Long live 2T's! :)
Would love to see a vid of them
@@jakefalk6350 I posted one of the SM bike a while back. I'll post some more iof both n the summer. It's under crf150r supermoto 50hp
I had an 89 cr just like that when I was in middle school. I wished I had kept it. But I traded that for a Toyota celica . What a beautiful monster and clean
rode a CR500 once (when I was young and silly) what a beast.
Great vid 👍. Surprising result considering Honda had 33yrs to make a substantially faster lap time ,,,but are unable to do it 🤣🤣
Nice Whips! 👍
SICK VIDEO I LOVE IT!!! DO MORE LIKE THIS ITS GOOD TO SEE THE 500 HAVE SAME LAP TIME AS THE 450 ITS ALL THE RIDER REALLY JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF RIDING I LOVE THE TWO STROKES I HAD THEM ALL A 500 I HAD ALOT OF FUN ON!!! KEEP THE VIDEOS COMING GREAT STUFF
This helmet cam thing is really nice, really good video, fun to watch!
Quit revving that 500. Short shift and let the torque carry you. (But then again, you took it around that track faster than I ever could)
I know what you are saying, I was there back then. But these tracks are much more like a dirt filled road race track than a real MX track that took more talent. I didn't think he was that fast though. He could clear the jumps,--but everybody on that track has slow-mo corner speed.
Nice vid. love the two strokes. A buddy of mine and I fitted a 01 CR250 engine in a 2007 CRF450R frame. Basically an AF Honda bike. It's a joy to ride.
I had a buddy who had a CR500 in the eighties who used it for hill climbs. He weighed 140 pounds soaking wet but boy could he make that bike climb!
Wish they would all come back. Hillclimber a 96 CR500.
Nothing beats the fun factor of a CR 500!!!
Ace video! Thanks for sharing. Broke the front Rim on my '89 on a vid 2 month back, 30 yrs after my last ride. You have a well set one here, lovely air- always well balanced bikes despite the macho image they seemed to have attracted nowadays- great all rounders once the forks were sorted.👍👍👍👍👍
33 years old and STILL competitive! When they say "They don't build 'em like they used to!" they're right!
Um, not sure if youre too young to remember or just forgot but the open class 2 strokes died in the 1980s because they werent competitive.........with the 250s.
@@ibewillow I was referring to THIS comparison.
@@someonebald2022 all todays comparisons are biased and usually consist of quarter mile drag races, tracks with an absence of tight corners or straight up lies. They all focus on horsepower, never in the history of dirtbike racing has a team used "more power" as a formula to win races.
@@ibewillow looking through some of the other posts I'd say your opinion is a minority opinion. Not that that's a bad thing. 🙃 Who wants to agree all the time?
@@someonebald2022 Its not an opinion at all, its a fact. In the mid 80s the 500cc 2 stroke MX bike was detuned by around 10hp, which made it more competitive but still slower around almost every track in the world than the 250cc bikes. By the 1990s there was no prestige in riding the open class which generally consisted of only a few riders, the premiere class by this time was 250cc. Manufacturers were struggling to give away 500cc bikes and it wasnt uncommon to see 500cc bikes sitting on dealer floors that were built two years earlier. The thing about youtube comments is that people that know this wouldnt generally bother clicking on the video. The only people that actually believe a 500cc 2 stroke would be competitive with a modern 450 in motocross either wasnt born when the 500cc bikes used to compete or theyre a knuckle dragger that never raced and judges performance from dyno figures.
The start comparisons was great to watch
I would be interested to see what the 500's lap time was like if our man had a couple of weeks to get used to the two stroke, I have a feeling it would beat the 450 lap time.
It was nice to see someone giving the 500 some stick, not many can get the big bore two stroke that far into the rev range.
Not many in 89 rode on a fast dirt covered road racing course. This is a wide open track. No problem revving the engine.
Enough of you idiots thinking a 500 is faster at the track!! It’s not about horsepower it’s about how good you can put the power to the floor and how good of a rider you are!!! I have a kx 500 and two 450s I much rather enjoy riding the 450s 90% of the time
@@garys7119 A disciplined throttle hand can master any machine. The vast majority of riders do not have that level of discipline.
My thoughts exactly. He's more comfortable on the 450 for sure.
Szegény 4t-nek nem sok esélye van
That 500 is putting the power to the ground on those gate starts! wheelie✊️💨
You haven't lived until you've ridden a CR500
Awesome to see my guy Tyler ripping my old 89 CR500 around the track!!! 🏁💯😎👍
Good times . I just wonder if the cr500 more was in a modern chassis say a 2015 or newer if you’d post faster times ??? I mean better breaks , modern susp with a lil more travel & a stiffer frame to put the power down more efficiently . Either way it goes to show that a cr500 dinosaur in todays standards can still hood it’s own . I myself own a a/f 500 03 chassis with a 91 motor . Great bike sold my crf’s as the 500 cab do everything they could while costing me a fraction of the maintenance & it’s just simple .
I think if you would lower the suspension travel of a 4-stroke to about 10", the lap times will be better because it will corner better. Bikes are too tall today. This 89 probably is easier to corner, and you don't really need 12" of travel for the smooth tracks today. This track is a parking lot (bump and rough wise) compared to what the 89 raced on in 89. I was there. :) These tracks look like fun vet tracks for old guys like me.
For Our first SM was the CR500 the BasicBike.
Goes to show what a beast the 500 is. Decades of R&D have gone into the 450's and they are only now nearing the performance of a 2 stroke from the 80's and that's at the expense of reliability. These 450's are extremely high strung machines. All the 500 needs is a bit of work to bring it into the 21st century and you've got far more power than a 450 while retaining a dependable engine. It's no wonder the prices for 500's are climbing.
Everything points to a future with electric motors, but let's be realistic, there is no sound more beautiful than the 2t
Just love the smell of Rich Running 2 Stroke...Takes me way back...
Wow! 33 years of engine, frame geometry and suspension development for a 1/10 of a second per lap.
That was pretty good. The 450 is probably less tiring than the 500, but that’s what you pay $10K for.
Makes my heart ache missing the days gone by. At 57 years old I can only dream of my big CR but to pin that throttle one more time is but a dream. Sold it and my KTX 300 and go at a much slower pace now. He's almost there but still riding it like a four stroke. Like was said a hardcore young man would be unbeatable but the vibration we just accepted and I'm sure the newer geometry bikes are more comfortable. Long live the CR 500! Maybe I'll get lucky and find one local for sale.
be interesting to see the same again with a 500af
Should have used an 85...they were insane
2T 💯%🏁
The key to faster lap times is to make sure you kick out the rear on all jumps. It actually slows you down, not by much but it still does. Perpetual motion needs constant direction. Change of direction slows the motion.
CR500... THE BEAST!
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Gotta love them 500s! Especially on the gate! When i was a kid my dad used to take off the gate in 3rd on his kx500!
Back in the late 70's, my buddy Phil, (probably about 90lbs), had a 73 Honda 250 Elsinore, (which probably only made less than 30 hp back then), and he would pull a start on grass in 3rd with no problem. You just did not see that much. :)
Be good if they made they kept developing the 500s like they are with 4 strokes
I wish they did too. Unfortunately 450s are the horsepower kings now
Well tuned 500 with pipe, squish cylder head, and proper jetting can go to a 60-65hp, that is what a tuned todays 450 makes, biggest diffrence is brakes, stiffer and modern geometry chasiss and of course suspension. 500 are more challenging and harder on your body than a 450.
I love the sound on 4 strokes they sound great but nothing will ever beat the sound of that 2 stroke CR500 it's an absolute monster
If RD would have continued on 2 strokes you would probably be looking at CR500 weighing 20lbs less pounds and an engine pushing dam near 70hp.
Nope. The only thing a 4-stroke bike has on a 2-stroke bike is the 4-stroke hooks up to the ground better, and that is why they can ride bigger hp and still keep everything under control. I know of 250cc 2-strokes that make 90 plus hp, (like a v-twin Honda road racing engine my buddy was putting in a quad sand drag racer), and I am sure you would not want to race it on a MX track, (even if they do look more like road race courses today).
Everything else about the 4-stroke---has hurt the sport more than anybody can measure.
@@EarthSurferUSA There is one positive thing worth mentioning about (non-racing) 4-strokes like XL’s or DR’s, they are much quieter.
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Are you not gonna mention how 4 strokes make their torque all throughout the powerband vs a 2 stroke in a very narrow stretch of it, you dont have to rev a 450 to make power but on a 2 stroke u have to and also the 500 has almost 50 more ccs on the 450 its not a cc vs cc comparison anymore
@@bgjb-r1499 egyetértek veled teljes mértékben igazad van, de csak menet közben, tényleg halkabbak,mert öblösebb hangjuk van de üresben az XL vagy a DR a hangosabb.
85 and oldeer are nesg they had to tame them down after the last of the 1985 builds
For sound, style points, and the intimidation factor for anyone you pass on the track I say the 500 gets the win.
That's cool. For "which bike is the fastest" and "which bike has the lowest laptimes" the video showed that the CRF450 won.
And when they took pros and put them on a cr500Af and 450f back to back ALL of them were faster on the 500 lol And the guys were used to riding 450s
@@s.a.t419 I remember reading that article. But you're completely wrong about the result. AMA pros were a full SIX seconds a lap faster on the 450 compared to the 500. You could not have been more wrong.
Wait till you see the KX vs CR video that I’m about to release! I think you guys will DIG IT 🤘🏼
Two gets the win overall if you think it's 32 year older bike getting the same time laps dude...
Had a 1987 CR500 in 1998 and I’ve missed it ever since!
The fact that a 42 year old bike can run with the best of the new says alot about how far we haven't come
No, it just says 2 strokes rule the motocross world 🌎 Far better motor. 33 years BTW
I think we've gone backward in most every way since 89, sadly.
Nothing like a big two stroke on Castro R to pull you around a track.
The sounds, smell and acceleration are something you have to experience to understand.
Oh, but the sound of that two stroke. I could almost smell the 2-Cycle engine oil burning. It brings back a lot of memories. Back in the 80's it's all I ever road was a two stroke. Put that two stroke in a modern frame with a modern suspension and it would probably win every time.
Remember opinionated people who have been riding for 2years ,that's a EFFEN 450CC FOURSTROKE . Make it 500cc and then test it again , it will smash that lawnmower .
I raced a cr250 back in the day and took my mates 500 out once, it gave me the mutha of a never ending tank slapper which put me off that beast for life, but i do remember the Dang dang dang soundtrack, happy days.
Great video, the rider took some different lines on both bikes. And looked a little more comfortable on the 4 stroke. Which bike did the rider think was the more fun?
WOW,I'm 54 now I was pretty fast in my day,but watching this go pro footage really reminds me of how slow I am now 😂😂😂
I had one of the first cr 500's back in the mid to late 80's and it took me a while to be able to ride it to it's full potential. It was a mean bike and you sure had to respect it. My friends would beg me to ride it and then gave it back almost as soon as they got on it. The thing was a bitch to start and the kid I sold it to would beg me to come over and start it for him just so he could ride it, push starting was out of the question even pulling it with a pickup and three of on it, it would just lock the back tire and chew the knobbies off, I didn't mind the 45 kicks to get it goin because I got to ride it all the time that way. I had one leg bigger than the other for awhile. This brought back some good memories, Thanks!
-Even though it was very super fast I would not put up with that starting problem & i would need to get rid of it. What fun is a bike that takes that long to start.
@@auggie803 I didn't know any better.
Watching that at job while having my lunch, so into it i was waving my head in jumps on board with the CR500, godamn
Gotta love the sound of a bunch angry bees. I don't know if they are faster but it reminds me of the bikes I used to have in the late 80' early 90's
500 ccm 2 stroke is just insane though! I didnt know they made motocross bikes with that were 500 and 2 strokes. it's just nuts!
Őrültség, de minél erősebb egy motor annál jobb.
Ol'500 chassis was always the best choice for taller riders. I'll always remember this kid that came to buy one I had and tried to start it wearing Nike's 🤣🤣🤣 I said "kid this isn't the bike for you, maybe go find a 125!"
Gawd damn seein you rip that 500🔥
Dude looked a lot smoother on the 500. If the 450s were a cr250 replacement why is everyone comparing them to the 500s? That tells you maybe there needs to be a crf 300 or 350 to more be in line and managable with the old 250s.
Even old pro racers like David Bailey say that the modern 450 is a replacement for the open-class bike, just much easier to ride. Given that, then they should not be riding against the 250cc smokers as they did 20 years ago. They had an unfair advantage.
You ripped that smoker! Nice riding! You caught larger air on the 450.
As one who has ridden or raced since 1984 and witnessed so many things, I would have to say that to compete heads-up against the 450 pro race bike, as 2-stroke would need 325-350cc. Conversely, if you want to tone down the 4-stroke to allow a 250cc smoker to compete, I would say they need to be cut down to about 300cc. Never will happen, but those numbers sound right to me.
CR 500 grabs the lead off every start. Now that was funny. Add a little of that tech into the two strokers and the 4 strokers would be a part of the past. Imo.
Oh and I ride a thumper today but lets be real, there's nuttin like 2 stroke power biiiing, bing bing bing. Great video! Thanks.👍
I'd sure like the opportunity of trying a modern big bore 4 stroke. I wouldn't impress any body but I'm sure the bike would impress me!
You can go faster out of the corners on the 500. You just gotta bump the clutch or shift down in the corners to get in the power band quicker
So
In 32 years of four strokes improving technology.... They failed..
Same pace
Think if two strokes was evolved and improved for all those 32 years till today ..
This video is pure gold
One of these is fun to ride. One of these is really, really fun to ride.
Nothing like the sound of a two stroke
I mean getting off a Cr 500 then onto a Crf 450 there two completely different beasts but Cr 500 sounds so good
First off this track is sick and you absolutly rip, but im wondering if anyone has ever doubled down the hill at 2:57? Looks massive but maybe possible if you started off track or something?
You're scrub game is tight AF, my dude!👊🏽
Thanks man! Workin on it🤘🏼
The 500 is an open class bike and has lower rake for faster straightaways. The 450F is more like the old 250cc two cycle class and is in a different league from the 500cc. On a larger track the 450 wont stand a chance.
Looked to me that in the corners the 4 stroke went better cause it looked easy to ride cause of the engine brake
i think the results will vary depend on the track and its straight or curve characteristics
@@evilzinabyssranger5695 a cr 500 is könnyű kb90-100kg
@@evilzinabyssranger5695 csak tudni kell kezelni
What’s the pipe brand on the cr500 ? Looks awesome
Full Q&A of both 500s drops today! All of your questions should be answered there 🤘🏼
CR500 hands down!!💪🏻
Goddamn so far you’re like the only person I’ve seen that rides this bike like its a 125 to them 🤝🔥🦅
Back in the early 80"s I worked at a Honda dealer. I didn't even understand the 500's, thought they were for very large people. I was at about 125 lbs and could easily ride a 125cc bike faster. I could barely start a 500. Both feet on the starter and jumped would just get enough to start a well tuned CR500.
2 stroke took every HS. Braaaaap!
God I love the sound of that 500.
Great video thoroughly enjoyed it. And it doesn't matter you got a quicker time on the 4 stroke. The 2 stroke wins by virtue of beautiful music.😝Love the smokers. My channel has lots of smoky street bike stuff. Edit: I just looked at your channel and shall spend some time here today. Looks like lots of great videos.
Awesome! Might be some stuff on my channel you’ll enjoy! Appreciate the support
Hi nic3 video and comparison old and new. How much of difference in weight from cr and crf?? Bye
Not a dirt bike enthusiast but enjoyed that. Cheers
I would love to see a good rider (pro level) doing the shootout. The rider is dogging it and (I'm guessing) is a novice-class rider. Of course, you have to start somewhere, and kudos to this fellow for posting the video. All I'm saying is that I hate to see a shootout of two bikes when they are being ridden at a level less than their capablity.
I love this stuff. 2 stroke for ever
OMG. 1989 vs 2022. Look how far we have come.
Overrevving the 500.
Shift. Youll go faster and be less tired.
CR500AF is the best of both worlds.
Are your lap times as fast as his? Maybe try revving your 500 more and see. Personally I think he ripped on both of these bikes!
@@jameskoskinen6763 CR500 is all low to mid. You dont gain anything, you just get tired faster. Watch footage of the 500 nationals. Other bikes were revving while the CRs practically idle around the track by comparison. And yes, my lap times are very quick and consistant at my home track, and I have been riding 500s for 30+ years, and have 4 bikes of 3 different makes. (1 Yam, 1 Kawa and 2 Hondas).
You want to win at the track? You practice on a two stroke CR500 then race on the weekend using a four stroke 450. The vibrations of the CR500 step up physical conditioning to another level. The CR500's brutal ride also trains the mind to endure the most numbing and painful arm pump ever.
So many opinions about lugging, short shifting, over revving.Makes no sense to me.If the rear wheel is hooking up.Red line the 2 stroke until you cant see straight! This guy did it right.How the heck does lugging around translate to a faster lap?! There is no way unless your on a dry sand beach.
Awesome video guyss🤙
Curious what an air cooled cr 480 would do.