It might be nice if they just sold a separate line of diorama bases that didn't include the figures or rules. That way anyone who wanted to plus up their display could go do that, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with gameplay.
It’s a higher price because it is a high quality resin display piece someone, you are someone who clearly isn’t interested in the artistic side of painting your minis up I get why it wouldn’t appeal to you but I am an artist and that kind of thing does Intrest me so if you don’t want it don’t buy it I’m glad they’re making cool stuff like that
Posting rules and cards is a huge problem and something that deters me from purchasing. Especially since the cards are essential to play. Yes you can use proxies- not the same thing.
Eh. I come from GW … this doesn’t phase me in the slightest. To be honest, I’m really hoping for some more packs like this. Some large ones, like Jabba’s Throne room, or something to the effect. I think it’s a great way for them to really utilize these rules and IP…
I understand some peoples backlash for this set is based off of individual value. It would seem very overpriced to those who dont want the diorama or the terrain and just want obi and vader, but its not too expensive to keep me from it anyways.
to be fair it is just a very small amount of people that really play, most of us are just painting and collecting and we always have to pay for things we don't need too in the starter sets like gaming boards Rule books markers and all that stuff. Just fair that we for once get something that is interesting just for painters and collectors.
I wouldn't LIKE it if it were just terrain (remember, going farther back than Legion, they ALSO packed a SUPER important upgrade card in with a $100 epic ship in X-Wing) but it is insulting to force you to buy terrain you can't even use. They KNOW people will buy, and to me that is manipulative.
It reminds me of the forgeworld dualing bases for the primarch series, though even more expensive, iirc the dealing bases were a separate pack you could buy. As being more hobby focused, I like the all in one box, but I can sympathize.
People will complain whatever they do. In my opinion it is a very nice looking set, I will be buying it for the gaming aspect and the hobby aspect. I'm sure you may be able to pick up the individual models in the future, just don't think AMG will be the provider, it will more likely be ebay. I do agree though, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't
@@TabletopOddity why? People will buy this set. Heck, I am going to buy it so they will make money off me and many others. Again if you choose not to buy it that's your decision no one is forcing anyone to buy this product. Are they using an incentive to get the gaming half of the hobby to buy this? Yes they are, it is how this works to make more money. They are a company and the company's primary goal is to make money. I understand the frustration with this, as I said before if you don't want the product then don't buy it, it really is that simple. IMO this is not "worrying" it is a strategy that is working in other games so why not this one.
@@joecarey4039 I mean they could do both if they wanted, sell the display base and sell the game parts. Like 95% of their products that still make money. People will buy it, and fair play to those people and the only other company really doing this is GW......who are known to be really great with this kind of thing...... And I think these kind of things will mean people won't buy the game but they obviously know it is a smaller %. There's no harm with voicing concerns is there? I'm not claiming to speak for everyone.
Wait I thought the rules were free? Are the unit cards not? That's really stupid if true... Like you can have the rules be free and make cards/ include them in the box like their is no reason to make them exclusive or not atall...
@@TabletopOddity printing units cards is an odd one with MCP. I think events prefer the actual cards, but some have been revised since launch so the printed revised ones might be acceptable.
@@ReallyBigBadAndy76 giving out the rules for free makes it easier for people to get a feel for the game. Especially when it requires non-standard dice and measuring tools.
@@AndrewMcColl there are lots of mechanisms to help people get a feel for the game. In store events, RUclips videos, learn to play events at conventions. Giving away all of the product to actively discourage anyone from buying products is dopey. The bulk of people advocating for that just want to get stuff for free.
Nobody's making you buy every set that gets released. We know the Kenobi Inquisitors are coming, so it makes sense we'll see these models sold separately at some point as well.
@@AndrewMcColl oh of course no one is forcing anyone to buy anything I’m just saying I would like those characters but I’m not about to buy that full set to get them so I’m hoping they do release them individually.
I have no interest in this. I put so much time into Legion with assembly, painting etc. Why spend more money on the same thing? Shatterpoint is too similar in my opinion and not worth the effort to build and paint it all again. Why not make new content for Armada or a second edition of Armada, or cards and cardboard that change the gameplay up again etc.
It's great to see the rest of the world start to realise how expensive this hobby actually is. The UK and UK have had it relatively good for a while now, while some of us have been aware of this for years.
So this is what the future of SW gaming looks like: lots of big expensive boxes filled with plastic and very little actual content for the game........makes sense now why they said that terrain is "so important in Shatterpoint" ! - thank you for being openly critical, not enough people are!
I've never been one to bite my tongue when something feels off to me. The game is good, and I will probably play it a chunk, but we can criticise what we don't want to see I think
I haven't seen that, where did you see that? And I would be happy to be wrong but there's two parts to the argument anyway. 1. Don't sell rules with terrain. 2. The terrain seemed useless.
@@reecepower8906 Okay, I just watched it, only the ship appears to come off but you could maybe get the generator off. So you will still be paying for lots of plastic you don't want (if you don't want the terrain). It seems you comment aged worse sadly, I would have loved that to be the case.
So this implies they can't make the game unless they also add some no useful terrain? Which happens to be about 90% of their product releases. If it's this or they go bust, then sure, but I don't think AMG / Asmodee are quite that poor. You can make money selling customers what they want, not selling them what they don't want.
It looks great but I hate these sets with characters just to sell over priced terrain. I've got the core set and Dooku on order but I won't be buying this set
I totally agree with you. It's the shady side of gaming I guess. What it does is weakens game buying power for people who are on a budget if you have too many of those diorama/terrain limited packs. It adds resentment. That is sad. If someone can only spend so much on a game, they loose so much of play options. I never got into warhammer although I know I would love it because of all those massive investment in the codex I never got into it.
@@TabletopOddity Ok, poor choice of words. I was referring to the concept, not the style or appearance. I'm just dissapointed after seeing how well the core box and even the other sets are done. Plus... the direct tie in to Disney is just sand. "I hate sand!"
The only thing you said in this whole video that made sense was “It’s not worth being outraged about.” “Choose not to engage in it.” You’re telling people who make the toys you play with not to make toys. “I want this part but not that part; you should sell them separately.” Or don’t buy it. It’s not evil for people to want to profit from the things they make. IMHO, before anyone in the hobby space raises a ruckus about this sort of thing, they should be pitching a nuclear level fit about blind packs of any product-minis, cards, whatever. This is a take it or leave it product. Blind boxes are an attempt to wring money out of gambling affects and people trying to chase down the one card out of 1,000 that they actually want. Edit; gambling *addicts*
I have said a few times I would never play a blind pick game, I just will never do it. I truly think they should maybe be banned. So I am not telling AMG anything other than the fact people who just want to play their wargames and aren't overly into the hobby, don't want to have to buy stuff they don't want to get the stuff they do. No harm in letting the company know your feelings, as I said it's not worth a boycott or anything but this doesn't mean we can't provide feedback.....
@@TabletopOddity well, no. You are saying this is a bad practice that they shouldn’t do. It’s “bad news, bad for gaming.” That’s different than “I would prefer something else.” You’re implying a morality to this and there isn’t one.
@@Newnodrogbob I disagree there is a morality to this, probably on many levels but the one that bothers me is simple, they are selling a game with bits you can't use for the game with the intent to make people who either like it or feel like they have to buy it to play the game buy it. A lot of business is leveraging fomo or getting the customers to buy things they don't exactly want, but that's a spectrum and I think there is morality along that spectrum. If I sell water to a drought hit area but you have to also buy a car... Most people would be outraged, obviously this is no where near that but I think it's a little naive to think there's no morality to this conversation
@@TabletopOddity I know what you think. You’re just wrong. This not a less upsetting version of price gouging water. Water is a necessity of life. Providing it to people in need even at a loss is a moral imperative. Providing you with cool Darth Vader toys is not. If the company just closes shop and doesn’t sell the toys at all, they have commuted no sin. Naive 🙄. My friend, do you hear yourself? No one is obligated to provide their products in a configuration that is best for you personally. Multiple packaging schemes and price points are not practical. I can’t buy a new car in America without power windows. I don’t want to pay extra for power windows. But it’s not practical for car companies to bother making manual windows: they won’t sell enough of them to be worthwhile. Car companies may well be evil, but it’s certainly not because they won’t make me a car without power windows. Whining because you want a toy but it’s sold as part of a set so you have to pay more for it than you’d like is the most entitled thing I’ve ever heard. Implying that it’s immoral for the makers of the toy to sell it that way is positively laughable.
If they weren't selling well, they wouldn't be making more of them. Personally, I think they are overpriced. Shatterpoint as an entire game is overpriced though. And you have to acknowledge that it is selling. How do I know it's selling? Because they started off testing the waters with this idea, and are now ramping up the number they are doing. That suggests strongly that it is financially viable for them to produce these "duel-packs".
Yeah too much wah wah. “I don’t think they should release awesome stuff because I just want to paint the plastic purple and power game.” Yeah, I guess… too bad? If you are into a hobby miniatures game then even if you don’t want to buy this you should see how awesome it is.
Shatterpoint is DOA for me. Star Wars under Disney’s stewardship is offensively bad, for one. For two, not paying that much money for two miniatures and a useless diorama.
It’s frustrating that legions scenic set was limited to SW celebration and not even a full month later shatterpoint gets this. Not a peep about legion yesterday (May 4th) just Shatterpoint preorders & MCP 🥲
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It might be nice if they just sold a separate line of diorama bases that didn't include the figures or rules. That way anyone who wanted to plus up their display could go do that, and it doesn't need to have anything to do with gameplay.
It feels like it would be better for use but not them
It’s a higher price because it is a high quality resin display piece someone, you are someone who clearly isn’t interested in the artistic side of painting your minis up I get why it wouldn’t appeal to you but I am an artist and that kind of thing does Intrest me so if you don’t want it don’t buy it I’m glad they’re making cool stuff like that
The cards will be posted so I do not see the issue. By AMG.
If they say you can print the rules for events and proxy the mini then okay. If not then it doesn't matter that they were available
Posting rules and cards is a huge problem and something that deters me from purchasing. Especially since the cards are essential to play. Yes you can use proxies- not the same thing.
The Crashed Escape Pod was also at a WAY lower price point.
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Eh. I come from GW … this doesn’t phase me in the slightest. To be honest, I’m really hoping for some more packs like this. Some large ones, like Jabba’s Throne room, or something to the effect. I think it’s a great way for them to really utilize these rules and IP…
GW is like the worst of the worst and then stuff like this
I understand some peoples backlash for this set is based off of individual value. It would seem very overpriced to those who dont want the diorama or the terrain and just want obi and vader, but its not too expensive to keep me from it anyways.
For me it's more that it isn't even proper terrain
@@TabletopOddity
What more is it,
to be fair it is just a very small amount of people that really play, most of us are just painting and collecting and we always have to pay for things we don't need too in the starter sets like gaming boards Rule books markers and all that stuff. Just fair that we for once get something that is interesting just for painters and collectors.
I wouldn't LIKE it if it were just terrain (remember, going farther back than Legion, they ALSO packed a SUPER important upgrade card in with a $100 epic ship in X-Wing) but it is insulting to force you to buy terrain you can't even use. They KNOW people will buy, and to me that is manipulative.
Me: It's a money grab.
Everbody else: eh, be quiet
AMG annouces this nonsense
Everbody else: ...uh.
I mean obviously they want money but for me this is a line
It reminds me of the forgeworld dualing bases for the primarch series, though even more expensive, iirc the dealing bases were a separate pack you could buy. As being more hobby focused, I like the all in one box, but I can sympathize.
For hobby lovers, they can buy or not buy, for games it's a bit of a yikes
People will complain whatever they do. In my opinion it is a very nice looking set, I will be buying it for the gaming aspect and the hobby aspect. I'm sure you may be able to pick up the individual models in the future, just don't think AMG will be the provider, it will more likely be ebay.
I do agree though, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't
There's a third option.... Just don't do them
@@TabletopOddity why? People will buy this set. Heck, I am going to buy it so they will make money off me and many others. Again if you choose not to buy it that's your decision no one is forcing anyone to buy this product.
Are they using an incentive to get the gaming half of the hobby to buy this? Yes they are, it is how this works to make more money. They are a company and the company's primary goal is to make money.
I understand the frustration with this, as I said before if you don't want the product then don't buy it, it really is that simple.
IMO this is not "worrying" it is a strategy that is working in other games so why not this one.
@@joecarey4039 I mean they could do both if they wanted, sell the display base and sell the game parts. Like 95% of their products that still make money.
People will buy it, and fair play to those people and the only other company really doing this is GW......who are known to be really great with this kind of thing......
And I think these kind of things will mean people won't buy the game but they obviously know it is a smaller %. There's no harm with voicing concerns is there? I'm not claiming to speak for everyone.
I just want Vader not gonna lie, so I'm probably just going to wait for Vader's team pack to be a thing
Wait I thought the rules were free? Are the unit cards not? That's really stupid if true... Like you can have the rules be free and make cards/ include them in the box like their is no reason to make them exclusive or not atall...
I mean technically you can print the rules but I don't know about events
@@TabletopOddity printing units cards is an odd one with MCP. I think events prefer the actual cards, but some have been revised since launch so the printed revised ones might be acceptable.
Why should they give all the materials away for free so people don’t buy the official models? On what planet does that make sense?
@@ReallyBigBadAndy76 giving out the rules for free makes it easier for people to get a feel for the game. Especially when it requires non-standard dice and measuring tools.
@@AndrewMcColl there are lots of mechanisms to help people get a feel for the game. In store events, RUclips videos, learn to play events at conventions. Giving away all of the product to actively discourage anyone from buying products is dopey. The bulk of people advocating for that just want to get stuff for free.
Yeah that should be a bundle and each item sold separate...
Indeed
I really just want the models but I’m not gonna she’ll out $90 for them. Especially to get terrain I don’t need. I guess this will be a pass for me.
Yeah I am getting the feeling I will be buying little but trying to max what I do get
Nobody's making you buy every set that gets released. We know the Kenobi Inquisitors are coming, so it makes sense we'll see these models sold separately at some point as well.
@@AndrewMcColl oh of course no one is forcing anyone to buy anything I’m just saying I would like those characters but I’m not about to buy that full set to get them so I’m hoping they do release them individually.
I have no interest in this. I put so much time into Legion with assembly, painting etc. Why spend more money on the same thing? Shatterpoint is too similar in my opinion and not worth the effort to build and paint it all again. Why not make new content for Armada or a second edition of Armada, or cards and cardboard that change the gameplay up again etc.
Fair enough...the answer is money btw
You are allowed to have no interest in this. However, it is objectively very different than Legion.
I would buy shatterpoint, it’s just too damn expensive. I ain’t out here trying to drop 50 dollars on 4 tiny inquisitor models
I think for a lot of people it won't be a competitive game and justa buy one type of main list
It's great to see the rest of the world start to realise how expensive this hobby actually is. The UK and UK have had it relatively good for a while now, while some of us have been aware of this for years.
So this is what the future of SW gaming looks like: lots of big expensive boxes filled with plastic and very little actual content for the game........makes sense now why they said that terrain is "so important in Shatterpoint" ! - thank you for being openly critical, not enough people are!
I've never been one to bite my tongue when something feels off to me. The game is good, and I will probably play it a chunk, but we can criticise what we don't want to see I think
i want hobbists to sell the game cards job done..
Well this aged badly. The terrain can be used separately
I haven't seen that, where did you see that? And I would be happy to be wrong but there's two parts to the argument anyway. 1. Don't sell rules with terrain. 2. The terrain seemed useless.
I don't mean to doubt you but I can't find anything that says what you say. The only thing that looks like it would come off is the ship
@@TabletopOddity the painting live stream. Pretty sure most of it can come off
@@reecepower8906 Okay, I just watched it, only the ship appears to come off but you could maybe get the generator off. So you will still be paying for lots of plastic you don't want (if you don't want the terrain). It seems you comment aged worse sadly, I would have loved that to be the case.
@@TabletopOddity yes aged worse a lot more quickly haha.
I misunderstood that it was just the ship,.I thought it was everything but the base
A company attempting to make money, so they can continue to make the game??
So this implies they can't make the game unless they also add some no useful terrain? Which happens to be about 90% of their product releases. If it's this or they go bust, then sure, but I don't think AMG / Asmodee are quite that poor.
You can make money selling customers what they want, not selling them what they don't want.
@@TabletopOddity what you mean is selling what YOU want. Don’t pretend your self interest is the moral high ground.
It looks great but I hate these sets with characters just to sell over priced terrain. I've got the core set and Dooku on order but I won't be buying this set
It's not even terrain which bugs me, it's a diorama!
Not interested in this expensive crap.
It's alright for what it is, I just don't like what it is
I totally agree with you. It's the shady side of gaming I guess. What it does is weakens game buying power for people who are on a budget if you have too many of those diorama/terrain limited packs. It adds resentment. That is sad. If someone can only spend so much on a game, they loose so much of play options. I never got into warhammer although I know I would love it because of all those massive investment in the codex I never got into it.
This looks as bad as the core game looks good. Overpriced. Pointless terrain. Disney Star Wars. Hard Pass!!!
The game is expensive but it is quality... I've got the box, it's great to be fair
@@TabletopOddity Ok, poor choice of words. I was referring to the concept, not the style or appearance. I'm just dissapointed after seeing how well the core box and even the other sets are done. Plus... the direct tie in to Disney is just sand. "I hate sand!"
I would highly recommend, as a die hard fan of Obie and Vader....Skip the show. Please. It's so garbage.
ahh sad times
The only thing you said in this whole video that made sense was “It’s not worth being outraged about.”
“Choose not to engage in it.” You’re telling people who make the toys you play with not to make toys.
“I want this part but not that part; you should sell them separately.” Or don’t buy it. It’s not evil for people to want to profit from the things they make.
IMHO, before anyone in the hobby space raises a ruckus about this sort of thing, they should be pitching a nuclear level fit about blind packs of any product-minis, cards, whatever. This is a take it or leave it product. Blind boxes are an attempt to wring money out of gambling affects and people trying to chase down the one card out of 1,000 that they actually want.
Edit; gambling *addicts*
I have said a few times I would never play a blind pick game, I just will never do it. I truly think they should maybe be banned.
So I am not telling AMG anything other than the fact people who just want to play their wargames and aren't overly into the hobby, don't want to have to buy stuff they don't want to get the stuff they do.
No harm in letting the company know your feelings, as I said it's not worth a boycott or anything but this doesn't mean we can't provide feedback.....
@@TabletopOddity well, no. You are saying this is a bad practice that they shouldn’t do. It’s “bad news, bad for gaming.” That’s different than “I would prefer something else.” You’re implying a morality to this and there isn’t one.
@@Newnodrogbob I disagree there is a morality to this, probably on many levels but the one that bothers me is simple, they are selling a game with bits you can't use for the game with the intent to make people who either like it or feel like they have to buy it to play the game buy it.
A lot of business is leveraging fomo or getting the customers to buy things they don't exactly want, but that's a spectrum and I think there is morality along that spectrum.
If I sell water to a drought hit area but you have to also buy a car... Most people would be outraged, obviously this is no where near that but I think it's a little naive to think there's no morality to this conversation
@@TabletopOddity I know what you think. You’re just wrong. This not a less upsetting version of price gouging water. Water is a necessity of life. Providing it to people in need even at a loss is a moral imperative. Providing you with cool Darth Vader toys is not. If the company just closes shop and doesn’t sell the toys at all, they have commuted no sin.
Naive 🙄. My friend, do you hear yourself? No one is obligated to provide their products in a configuration that is best for you personally. Multiple packaging schemes and price points are not practical. I can’t buy a new car in America without power windows. I don’t want to pay extra for power windows. But it’s not practical for car companies to bother making manual windows: they won’t sell enough of them to be worthwhile. Car companies may well be evil, but it’s certainly not because they won’t make me a car without power windows.
Whining because you want a toy but it’s sold as part of a set so you have to pay more for it than you’d like is the most entitled thing I’ve ever heard. Implying that it’s immoral for the makers of the toy to sell it that way is positively laughable.
If they weren't selling well, they wouldn't be making more of them.
Personally, I think they are overpriced. Shatterpoint as an entire game is overpriced though. And you have to acknowledge that it is selling.
How do I know it's selling? Because they started off testing the waters with this idea, and are now ramping up the number they are doing. That suggests strongly that it is financially viable for them to produce these "duel-packs".
Will I don't acknowledge that it's selling because it isn't properly out but yes it probably will
Yeah too much wah wah. “I don’t think they should release awesome stuff because I just want to paint the plastic purple and power game.” Yeah, I guess… too bad? If you are into a hobby miniatures game then even if you don’t want to buy this you should see how awesome it is.
I do want to paint them purple but I'm really not a power gamer. The models could be the Mona Lisa of models and I still wouldn't like the sales model
And also, I actually don't think it's awesome but it's probably missing some context for me
I saw this comment and thought “this guy has it right.” Then I realized I know this guy…
Shatterpoint is DOA for me. Star Wars under Disney’s stewardship is offensively bad, for one. For two, not paying that much money for two miniatures and a useless diorama.
Fair enough
It’s frustrating that legions scenic set was limited to SW celebration and not even a full month later shatterpoint gets this.
Not a peep about legion yesterday (May 4th) just Shatterpoint preorders & MCP 🥲
Maybe they are over stretched
@@TabletopOddity Possibly, it seems they went head first into Shatter point