I love the options it gives players. The fact that you can mix and match heroes and villains in a squad and different eras between the two squads is really cool. Even if you like thematic armies and will stick only to that. It's nice to have options.
I quite like how they’ve done the squad building. I expect a lot of list building will self regulate. I can see some people sticking to a single era and “Good” or “Bad” side. Equally there is enough flexibility that you can run Bo Katan along side some units from the Galactic Civil War (so long as you adhere to squad rules). You can also mix and match good/bad forces, so you can do a fluffy Citadel list with Anakin, Obi Wan, Cody, Padawan Ahsoka, some 501st and a few reprogrammed B1 Battle Droids.
I would have hoped to take more than one set of clone trooper squad with either Anakin or Obi.. Instead of being forced to choose, Rex and a set of clones.
The squads of clone troopers are different though.... So couldn't you? They aren't named the same I thought. Droids are just named whatever droid type but clones are the actual squad labeled, numbered and all.
Rereading the article. Yes. You can run the 501st clones with one primary and Obiwans 212th clones. With rex and Cody as seconds. So 6 clone troopers total can be done from what we have seen so far.
Yeah that's disappointing. They allowed cross faction but not that. Seems odd. Everything is gonna run off synergy anyway so all that does is limit meta lists even more.
@@cjpeach11 so the problem here is that you have to run 1 leader, 1 secondary, and 1 support. Clones are listed as supports so you'll still have to take Rex or Cody in a clones list instead of going clone aggro like you can in legion. Secondary are all named characters and supports are your infantry. You can run multiple if they don't cost many points but you're still limited to that slot and have to fill the other roles
I suspect part of the reasoning behind the mixing of eras is to accommodate for the 'between times' like we see in Rebels, Bad Batch, and the like where you have elements of the Clone Wars alongside those from the Galactic Civil War. Still, it's easy enough for events to use a 'no era mixing' rule for list building.
One thing I was disappointed with is that a force user that is under support doesn't add to Force power. It seems like they should have just charged 1 more point for the character and granted the bonus Force power. Or they really should have just called it Command points, which seems more appropriate considering the non-force squad leaders.
I hope the fun of having the characters be still good vs bad and clones vs droids, but later the intrigue of mixing and meshing characters will create a new life for the game. Idk that's kinda what I'm thinking.
The less restrictions the easier to min/max. You are correct, that this will drive sales - but sales of certain units. This makes the game easier to min/max which always devolves a game into a pile of effects. For players who like just manipulating effects, this is perfect. For those who enjoy the fluff, this is a turn-off. If I was going to strictly play at home, amongst like-minded friends, then it is no big deal. But if I am going to play at a venue with others, than this can be a big turn-off. I'm looking at the game - love the mins, the era, the interesting scoring and squad-building point system - but I watched a single player kill Star Trek Attack Wing at my venue because you could mix whatever vs the restrictions Star Wars Attack Wing and I am leaning on a pass on this game. Thanks for the info...
For me I don't like the idea that I would feel like I have to buy things I don't like, whereas if I picked a faction, that can still happen but it's less likely
I'm also not a fan of this squad mixing. Having Maul run with Rex, or Bo is one thing, but then having the second half of your force being from a different time zone isn't appealing to me. I feel that AMG are putting profit before lore and common sense. Like they do with Crisis Protocol, which I do play but cringe at some of the mix match rosters I face. Legion gets it right and can see a reason other than to sell more product AMG have changed it for Shatterpoint. Look at the latest Legion release, Moff Gideon and The Darktroopers. As an Empire player, I'm getting them, but I didn't get the new Boba Fett, as I don't play Rebels. If it was Shatterpoint I'd have probably got the lot. That's the reason AMG are mixing it all up. Given this and the fact Asmodee still haven't sorted out some missing parts from a 501st Battle Force, I've been waiting all year for, it's a pass for me. Also t have spotted that should Mando (Dinn) be released he can't currently run with Bo and her Mandos, yet they do in the show? Unless they do a Civil War era Bo etc AMG will let you take stupid lire breaking squads, but not ones that we've seen on Disney+
Just gonna be real, but I don't really believe in this or it's longevity. The high entry price is going to scare casual people away, and the list building is going to be heavily meta dependent on synergy lists, which theirs 4 of right now? I hope they don't stop investing in legion cause I don't see this making the long haul.
Mixing and matching good/bad units within the same squad doesn't actually bother me as much as mixing eras within a game. I take it as alternate timelines, a sort of "What If...?" Ie, What if Leia was taken from her adopted parents at a very young age and basically raised by The Empire? Maybe she could have turned out differently and becomes loyal to Vader. I like how this leaves interesting little stories to the imagination. However, mixing different eras is a harder pill for me to swallow. Maybe the idea is there is a Star Wars Multiverse, with infinite realities, some of which are being pulled into some kind of weird phenomenon where different squads from different realities/time periods are being flung together. Still, I can see myself wanting to keep the entire game within a single era and then just saying the whole fight is a single episode of "What If...?" to explain the unconventional mixing of units within a single squad.
The community will probably self-enforce keeping it as least "explainable" for who goes together. Flip side, I can self justifying buying any character I like (and want to paint) so that's nice, I'm a very expensive way!
@@Uchidan I doubt it. It would really limit your opponents! A lot of people play star wars games Because of the narrative. If you break that down toooo much your basically lose the thing that brought in the players in the first place. And players who are brining the janky lists that don't fit the starwars narrative will probably end up playing less as a result. Tournaments being a different matter.
So there willbe a lot of different options (mixing eras and sides, which feels just... just really wrong for me, but thats only my opinion), which people wont use because of the missing synergies? Thats so weird on so many levels...
@@TabletopOddity Just seems a bit limiting in a game like this. It also isn't forcing anyone to do it. So you are welcome to just choose separatists units. If people don't find Luke Skywalker fighting General Leia weird in Legion, then this shouldn't be a hang up either.
@@Uchidan I mean, I do find that strange, the same as in any same faction fighting same faction but I can accept that. I don't disagree with you. But Leia fighting in a team of Krennic, and storm troopers alongside anikin and droid troopers.....yes that pushes it too far in my opinion.
Congrats, they made a game where every upgrade card requires a new purchase. Any change to the list requires a new paid miniature. List building Limited and costly. Sadly, I really don't like this idea and I think it's a Money grab.
I love everything about Shatterpoint so far. It seems like it's avoiding the terrible model and style of legion, while not being as free as Crisis Protocol but still giving so much value in mixing and matching. I couldn't be any happier so far :)
@@TabletopOddity for sure. They are very different games when viewed from the perspective of a war-gamer; they really only seem similar when someone who has never played these types of games is observing them. Even spec ops is far from the likes of Shatterpoint. I really hope that AMG continues to support Legion with at least one wave per year.
@@sharkybrickfilms99120 the rules and model style of Legion are 100% why I won't buy in after playing at the play center in Roseville MN. Shatterpoint I will. The rules already seem to be better and the model style doesn't feel as... Bobbleheadish.
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I love the options it gives players. The fact that you can mix and match heroes and villains in a squad and different eras between the two squads is really cool. Even if you like thematic armies and will stick only to that. It's nice to have options.
Options are nice for sure
Agree. It also makes the game more financially available to people with less money.
@@chromechef891 I think that's what I am going to do, just chill and pick themes I like
I quite like how they’ve done the squad building. I expect a lot of list building will self regulate. I can see some people sticking to a single era and “Good” or “Bad” side. Equally there is enough flexibility that you can run Bo Katan along side some units from the Galactic Civil War (so long as you adhere to squad rules).
You can also mix and match good/bad forces, so you can do a fluffy Citadel list with Anakin, Obi Wan, Cody, Padawan Ahsoka, some 501st and a few reprogrammed B1 Battle Droids.
The meta is an advantage for sure, but I just find it so odd
I was thinking the same thing. And I definitly think some local tournaments are gonna run themes
I would have hoped to take more than one set of clone trooper squad with either Anakin or Obi.. Instead of being forced to choose, Rex and a set of clones.
That's fair but for whatever reason they did it this way
The squads of clone troopers are different though.... So couldn't you? They aren't named the same I thought. Droids are just named whatever droid type but clones are the actual squad labeled, numbered and all.
Rereading the article. Yes. You can run the 501st clones with one primary and Obiwans 212th clones. With rex and Cody as seconds. So 6 clone troopers total can be done from what we have seen so far.
Yeah that's disappointing. They allowed cross faction but not that. Seems odd. Everything is gonna run off synergy anyway so all that does is limit meta lists even more.
@@cjpeach11 so the problem here is that you have to run 1 leader, 1 secondary, and 1 support. Clones are listed as supports so you'll still have to take Rex or Cody in a clones list instead of going clone aggro like you can in legion. Secondary are all named characters and supports are your infantry. You can run multiple if they don't cost many points but you're still limited to that slot and have to fill the other roles
I suspect part of the reasoning behind the mixing of eras is to accommodate for the 'between times' like we see in Rebels, Bad Batch, and the like where you have elements of the Clone Wars alongside those from the Galactic Civil War.
Still, it's easy enough for events to use a 'no era mixing' rule for list building.
Events won't commonly do that I think
@@TabletopOddity that will depend on the event. Someone might want to run a 'Clone War only' event, for instance.
I like the points system. It's the same as Wolsung, with their heroes and henchmen.
The point system I do like
One thing I was disappointed with is that a force user that is under support doesn't add to Force power. It seems like they should have just charged 1 more point for the character and granted the bonus Force power.
Or they really should have just called it Command points, which seems more appropriate considering the non-force squad leaders.
I hope the fun of having the characters be still good vs bad and clones vs droids, but later the intrigue of mixing and meshing characters will create a new life for the game. Idk that's kinda what I'm thinking.
Personally I think strike team should have been same era, and each squad same faction
The less restrictions the easier to min/max. You are correct, that this will drive sales - but sales of certain units. This makes the game easier to min/max which always devolves a game into a pile of effects. For players who like just manipulating effects, this is perfect. For those who enjoy the fluff, this is a turn-off. If I was going to strictly play at home, amongst like-minded friends, then it is no big deal. But if I am going to play at a venue with others, than this can be a big turn-off. I'm looking at the game - love the mins, the era, the interesting scoring and squad-building point system - but I watched a single player kill Star Trek Attack Wing at my venue because you could mix whatever vs the restrictions Star Wars Attack Wing and I am leaning on a pass on this game. Thanks for the info...
For me I don't like the idea that I would feel like I have to buy things I don't like, whereas if I picked a faction, that can still happen but it's less likely
You could have Vader, Jedi Hunter, in a squad with Jango if you wanted.
I'm also not a fan of this squad mixing.
Having Maul run with Rex, or Bo is one thing, but then having the second half of your force being from a different time zone isn't appealing to me.
I feel that AMG are putting profit before lore and common sense. Like they do with Crisis Protocol, which I do play but cringe at some of the mix match rosters I face.
Legion gets it right and can see a reason other than to sell more product AMG have changed it for Shatterpoint.
Look at the latest Legion release, Moff Gideon and The Darktroopers. As an Empire player, I'm getting them, but I didn't get the new Boba Fett, as I don't play Rebels. If it was Shatterpoint I'd have probably got the lot. That's the reason AMG are mixing it all up.
Given this and the fact Asmodee still haven't sorted out some missing parts from a 501st Battle Force, I've been waiting all year for, it's a pass for me.
Also t have spotted that should Mando (Dinn) be released he can't currently run with Bo and her Mandos, yet they do in the show? Unless they do a Civil War era Bo etc AMG will let you take stupid lire breaking squads, but not ones that we've seen on Disney+
For me it's purely money as you say, I know you can justify it but you the random meet ups are like one offs right.
Just gonna be real, but I don't really believe in this or it's longevity. The high entry price is going to scare casual people away, and the list building is going to be heavily meta dependent on synergy lists, which theirs 4 of right now? I hope they don't stop investing in legion cause I don't see this making the long haul.
I am a litttle concerned they will just be way too much for mortals to deal with
Mixing and matching good/bad units within the same squad doesn't actually bother me as much as mixing eras within a game. I take it as alternate timelines, a sort of "What If...?" Ie, What if Leia was taken from her adopted parents at a very young age and basically raised by The Empire? Maybe she could have turned out differently and becomes loyal to Vader. I like how this leaves interesting little stories to the imagination.
However, mixing different eras is a harder pill for me to swallow. Maybe the idea is there is a Star Wars Multiverse, with infinite realities, some of which are being pulled into some kind of weird phenomenon where different squads from different realities/time periods are being flung together.
Still, I can see myself wanting to keep the entire game within a single era and then just saying the whole fight is a single episode of "What If...?" to explain the unconventional mixing of units within a single squad.
I think eras within a strike force is a strange thing for sure. What if is fine but I find this odd
The community will probably self-enforce keeping it as least "explainable" for who goes together. Flip side, I can self justifying buying any character I like (and want to paint) so that's nice, I'm a very expensive way!
I don't think they will, nor should they. I doubt many events will change the rules.
And that justification is what I don't like lol
Does that mean it needs to be explainable for who they go against too?
@@Uchidan some loons might do that but I wouldn't play with them
@@Uchidan I doubt it. It would really limit your opponents! A lot of people play star wars games Because of the narrative. If you break that down toooo much your basically lose the thing that brought in the players in the first place. And players who are brining the janky lists that don't fit the starwars narrative will probably end up playing less as a result. Tournaments being a different matter.
So there willbe a lot of different options (mixing eras and sides, which feels just... just really wrong for me, but thats only my opinion), which people wont use because of the missing synergies? Thats so weird on so many levels...
Yeah either the synergies are strong so you won't do iti often.....or synergies won't matter and you can mix freely. Both odd
I liked the simplicity of Legion. This explaination makes my head hurt. I guess I will just choose to build a simple squad.
This is super simple but I actually quite like it
Sounds like you want to play Legion :)
I do like that bit of legion, proper factions
@@TabletopOddity Just seems a bit limiting in a game like this. It also isn't forcing anyone to do it. So you are welcome to just choose separatists units.
If people don't find Luke Skywalker fighting General Leia weird in Legion, then this shouldn't be a hang up either.
@@Uchidan I mean, I do find that strange, the same as in any same faction fighting same faction but I can accept that.
I don't disagree with you. But Leia fighting in a team of Krennic, and storm troopers alongside anikin and droid troopers.....yes that pushes it too far in my opinion.
Congrats, they made a game where every upgrade card requires a new purchase. Any change to the list requires a new paid miniature. List building Limited and costly. Sadly, I really don't like this idea and I think it's a Money grab.
That is an issue, and every army can take anything
I love everything about Shatterpoint so far. It seems like it's avoiding the terrible model and style of legion, while not being as free as Crisis Protocol but still giving so much value in mixing and matching. I couldn't be any happier so far :)
What do you mean by legion being terrible?
I think there's a good place for Shaterpoint and Legion
@@TabletopOddity for sure. They are very different games when viewed from the perspective of a war-gamer; they really only seem similar when someone who has never played these types of games is observing them. Even spec ops is far from the likes of Shatterpoint. I really hope that AMG continues to support Legion with at least one wave per year.
‘Terrible model and style of legion’?
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@@sharkybrickfilms99120 the rules and model style of Legion are 100% why I won't buy in after playing at the play center in Roseville MN. Shatterpoint I will. The rules already seem to be better and the model style doesn't feel as... Bobbleheadish.
i will not get it,dont like mixing the good and bad in one squad,thats what turned me off crisis protocal.nope ill save my money
It's the thing I really don't like for sure
Still insta buy
fair does