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I was wowed by part one and part two was just as good. The history of the jet engine had not been told this way or with more detail than you did with these two parts. Thank you for doing an splendid job.
The I 62 Japanese submarine was carrying : Quinine - Nickel - Rubber - etc , and Gold to pay for the plans of jet/ rocket planes. It's at the bottom of the sea thanks to " Ultra ". Just Imagine what the Germans could have done with proper metals instead of stainless steel. The Jumo 004 Engines I have seen ( USA / France ), were impeccably built , just amazing finishing , welding etc ...
Those engines were over engineered, prone to lethal flame-outs, and horribly short lived. Materials were just one of the problems. Even at the end of the war, despite several years of development, they were still a mess fitted in very good aircraft, proving to be just a good propaganda tool, but utterly useless in practical terms. Do not forget that when the Soviets reverse engineered both the British, and German engines, and ended up discarding the Jumo jet engine in favor of Whittle’s engine for their exceptional MiG15. You can make a valid argument that if Britain did support Whittle financially (he was always broke), and had not delayed his work by years, starting in 1929, they would have had a working turbojet before the beginning of the war. Whittle’s engine would have been ready, most likely, around 1934/35, and being easy to develop (unlike the unreliable German axial engine), and reliable, with over 100 proven hours between overhauls, it would have been an amazing tool,against the invaders. But Whittle’s story was destined to be riddled with obstacles, starting from the very first day he presented his project, judged by a short-sighted Griffith. Whittle still managed to make the first working turbojet in history, in April 1937, spending a comical £200,000 in today’s money to reach this milestone, and with a government that still did not care about his remarkable work. He had the right strategy, choosing to develop a centrifugal jet engine precisely because it was easy to develop, and reliable. The Germans chose the unreliable, and complex to develop axial jet engine, but that was a mistake. As we know the axial turbojet later became superior, as Whittle perfectly knew, but at the time his invention was the correct one at the correct time. Ironically the first important paper about axial compressors was penned by Griffith in 1926, the very same person that coincidentally (or not) ridiculed, and rejected Whittle’s invention in 1929. A tragic mistake. Whittle’s engine was also the first to power the first American jet powered flight in 1942 (Bell XP-59), thanks to the Brits shipping the engine to G.E. In 1941. It also became Pratt & Whitney’s first jet engine. The axial turbojet only became reliable, and the way of the future around 1955, mainly thanks to Rolls Royce, a decade after the war ended. Britain had slowly been working on the axial turbojet for a long time, even during the war. Those over engineered German engines never stood a chance at the end of the war, and material were only a factor. The few left are still a nightmare to this day.
I always wonder what it must have been like to have been flying in a piston driven airplane and to see the ME262 for the first time and be in complete awe and terror at the same time!
… “ Me.262 flying with Boeing B-52 Stratofortresses “…. In a time warp or travelling in time.????????? ( You surely mean Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses ).!!!!!!!
It just shows how pride and ignorance can hobble even the best programs, and how it is compounded in war time unlike today.... Oh yeah, we have the same thing going on.
Basically, it came down to resources. The exact same problem every part of their industry faced. The HE280 outperformed the FW190 in dogfighting in a demonstration. The HE162 was good enough even in 1945, to shoot down a Tempest. The ME 262 was the best airframe for 'boom and zoom' tactics and its 4 x 30mm cannons was a monstrous level of firepower in a single seat fighter. The precious metals for jet engines, and glue for the wood of the 162 that Germany couldn't obtain, are the reason they all effectively failed. The designs and technology were all well ahead. It's a bit like saying - 'if you can give me enough Adamantium, every soldier will be bulletproof'.
Very nice documentary. In some respects the He280 was probably better in other respects worse than the Me262. However, it would have been a plan B for getting the jets out., if it had been possible to get the BMW engine instead of the Jumo. Also, Ernst Heinkel was extremely "unlucky" with RLM with his proposed fighter designs, they all had great potential (He112, He113 (aka 100), He280).
I had always read that the choice of Messerschmitt was mostly political but there were some valid reasons to choose the 262. I saw an interview with Gunter Rall. He flew both the Meteor band the Shwable and he said that the 262 was a better airframe but the centrifugal flow turbines were better than the Jumo 004. Basically the best combo would have been the 262 with Whittle engines (Rolls Royce?).
The HeS-8 centrifugal jet engine for the He280 was never ready, and it didn't make sense competing with the Me262 for the same engine. It only really made sense if it had a different engine. Thankfully the Germans' shortcomings made sure the He 280 was never really ready for production. I like it though from a technological and aesthetic perspective.
Willi Messerscmit is vastly overestimated as a plane designer. He didn't do the engines and the shape of the the Me 262 was just basically the same as his (rubbish) proposed Me 209. This is also the guy which came up with the utterly disastrous Me 210. He should have predicted the high speed problem for landing the 262, but he didn't add speed brakes or adequate flap settings.
There was a certain inflexibility in German command and with Nazis one wonders why. Heinckel was chosen as a bomber manufacture and his every attempt at fighter manufacture was dismissed. The he280 á year earlier may have bought them time, but the lousy jet engines condemned them to failure.
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I was wowed by part one and part two was just as good. The history of the jet engine had not been told this way or with more detail than you did with these two parts. Thank you for doing an splendid job.
Thank you
Your videos are very high quality and very well done. The voiceover is great. Subscribed.
Welcome aboard! Thank you
I like the fact that it's sometimes rare and hard-to-find footage, the pacing and editing of the videos is also gotten a lot better!
Another treasure trove of footage I've never seen before. Well done.
Many thanks!
Many thanks I really enjoyed watching both parts of this fascinating story.
The I 62 Japanese submarine was carrying : Quinine - Nickel - Rubber - etc , and Gold to pay for the plans of jet/ rocket planes.
It's at the bottom of the sea thanks to " Ultra ".
Just Imagine what the Germans could have done with proper metals instead of stainless steel.
The Jumo 004 Engines I have seen ( USA / France ), were impeccably built , just amazing finishing , welding etc ...
Those engines were over engineered, prone to lethal flame-outs, and horribly short lived. Materials were just one of the problems.
Even at the end of the war, despite several years of development, they were still a mess fitted in very good aircraft, proving to be just a good propaganda tool, but utterly useless in practical terms.
Do not forget that when the Soviets reverse engineered both the British, and German engines, and ended up discarding the Jumo jet engine in favor of Whittle’s engine for their exceptional MiG15.
You can make a valid argument that if Britain did support Whittle financially (he was always broke), and had not delayed his work by years, starting in 1929, they would have had a working turbojet before the beginning of the war. Whittle’s engine would have been ready, most likely, around 1934/35, and being easy to develop (unlike the unreliable German axial engine), and reliable, with over 100 proven hours between overhauls, it would have been an amazing tool,against the invaders.
But Whittle’s story was destined to be riddled with obstacles, starting from the very first day he presented his project, judged by a short-sighted Griffith.
Whittle still managed to make the first working turbojet in history, in April 1937, spending a comical £200,000 in today’s money to reach this milestone, and with a government that still did not care about his remarkable work.
He had the right strategy, choosing to develop a centrifugal jet engine precisely because it was easy to develop, and reliable. The Germans chose the unreliable, and complex to develop axial jet engine, but that was a mistake.
As we know the axial turbojet later became superior, as Whittle perfectly knew, but at the time his invention was the correct one at the correct time.
Ironically the first important paper about axial compressors was penned by Griffith in 1926, the very same person that coincidentally (or not) ridiculed, and rejected Whittle’s invention in 1929. A tragic mistake.
Whittle’s engine was also the first to power the first American jet powered flight in 1942 (Bell XP-59), thanks to the Brits shipping the engine to G.E. In 1941.
It also became Pratt & Whitney’s first jet engine.
The axial turbojet only became reliable, and the way of the future around 1955, mainly thanks to Rolls Royce, a decade after the war ended.
Britain had slowly been working on the axial turbojet for a long time, even during the war.
Those over engineered German engines never stood a chance at the end of the war, and material were only a factor.
The few left are still a nightmare to this day.
I always wonder what it must have been like to have been flying in a piston driven airplane and to see the ME262 for the first time and be in complete awe and terror at the same time!
There is a YT video with this scenario, when a MW 262 shoots through a B52 formation.
… “ Me.262 flying with Boeing B-52
Stratofortresses “….
In a time warp or travelling in time.?????????
( You surely mean Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses ).!!!!!!!
It just shows how pride and ignorance can hobble even the best programs, and how it is compounded in war time unlike today.... Oh yeah, we have the same thing going on.
Fantastic video. Thank you.
Basically, it came down to resources. The exact same problem every part of their industry faced.
The HE280 outperformed the FW190 in dogfighting in a demonstration. The HE162 was good enough even in 1945, to shoot down a Tempest. The ME 262 was the best airframe for 'boom and zoom' tactics and its 4 x 30mm cannons was a monstrous level of firepower in a single seat fighter.
The precious metals for jet engines, and glue for the wood of the 162 that Germany couldn't obtain, are the reason they all effectively failed. The designs and technology were all well ahead. It's a bit like saying - 'if you can give me enough Adamantium, every soldier will be bulletproof'.
17:41 never saw a vid of the bachem natter before, pretty cool!!
Very nice documentary. In some respects the He280 was probably better in other respects worse than the Me262. However, it would have been a plan B for getting the jets out., if it had been possible to get the BMW engine instead of the Jumo. Also, Ernst Heinkel was extremely "unlucky" with RLM with his proposed fighter designs, they all had great potential (He112, He113 (aka 100), He280).
Thank you for sharing this with us 🤠🇩🇰
Thanks for watching!
Totally superb video , akin to the TSR 2 in some respects
TSR2 was cancelled by a socialist government, not a National Socialist government.
I had always read that the choice of Messerschmitt was mostly political but there were some valid reasons to choose the 262.
I saw an interview with Gunter Rall. He flew both the Meteor band the Shwable and he said that the 262 was a better airframe but the centrifugal flow turbines were better than the Jumo 004. Basically the best combo would have been the 262 with Whittle engines (Rolls Royce?).
The HeS-8 centrifugal jet engine for the He280 was never ready, and it didn't make sense competing with the Me262 for the same engine. It only really made sense if it had a different engine. Thankfully the Germans' shortcomings made sure the He 280 was never really ready for production. I like it though from a technological and aesthetic perspective.
If a defense fighter was the priority it could slow down the 8th airforce probably allowing them to keep factories citizens and moral
brilliant
1:15 Is that a Wilhelm scream?
I'm researching information about Germany's first Jet fighter. Where better than RUclips where all the experts outshine each other with knowledge.
Willi Messerscmit is vastly overestimated as a plane designer. He didn't do the engines and the shape of the the Me 262 was just basically the same as his (rubbish) proposed Me 209. This is also the guy which came up with the utterly disastrous Me 210. He should have predicted the high speed problem for landing the 262, but he didn't add speed brakes or adequate flap settings.
back ground noise is too loud
Complementa al video anterior del heinkek 280 .si ambos aviones se hubieran producido en serie.que habria pasado?
Серийно, с 1941 года.. Было бы круто!!
@@hartman65 no se ruso o inglés para responderte. Saludos
Awesome Jet !!
The dEvIl is always divided. And since this was as close to a sAtAnIc regime as we have ever seen, this could not have been any different...
There was a certain inflexibility in German command and with Nazis one wonders why. Heinckel was chosen as a bomber manufacture and his every attempt at fighter manufacture was dismissed. The he280 á year earlier may have bought them time, but the lousy jet engines condemned them to failure.
0:15 Don't drive that tank over that 'El ala Mine'
1:03 Operation 'Your Anus'
He's doing it on purpose. 🤣
There are two correct pronunciations of Uranus, the one used here is one of them.
Jumo is the abbreviation of Junkers Motor. Ju shall be pronounced Yu or U.
Stalingrad was monumental the desert war was side show.
Look what we could have done...
Thankfully they had enough incompetent people to allow them to make so many mistakes, and lose the war
The 262 looked more beautiful
doper
Can a native German speaker help me? In German is Jumo pronounced as jew-mo, or you-mo? Thanks.
You-mohope that helps?😊
@@johannesfeigl5309 danke
The ME-262 is such a beautiful airplane. The engine...meh...with a practical service life of
Operation Uranus? Hard pass
They did not see the value of the new jet fighter ... because thet were Nat-zis...
😂