I think the reason he didn’t is because he was still “happy.” Because he did get fairies in Fairy Idol but he still wanted Timmy to be happy over him. He’s just a really nice kid.
My mom would cook a large pot of spaghetti that would last for the rest of the week. And boy, it was delicious. That's why as an adult, I begin making a large pot of spaghetti as a reminiscent of my childhood.
I really hate that Dan makes fun of homeless peoples and it really offended me. Don’t like how they always portrayed Sam, knew she was poor and it’s like an issue the way Dan portrayed her.
I have something to add about Sam, the fact that she’s always hungry and eats a lot. But she’s poor and her mom is not the most stable adult in her ife……Is she being fed at home? Kinda reminds me of Kyouko from Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Kyouko’s Family was poor and they didn’t know when their next meal was going to come. So when she became a magical girl she is always eating and gets angry when people waste food because that was something she did not have resulting in her always being starving. (Which is why she threatened to kill Sayaka if she catches her wasting food again) So maybe with Sam from iCarly maybe the reason why she eats a lot and “being hungry was her personality“ was more because maybe she wasn’t getting fed at home.
Holy crap that is a really interesting take. It makes sense, and it’s kind of tragic too. Sadly iCarly wasn’t created by a decent person so this was never something the crew and by extension the audience could’ve looked into and it’s a shame because it’s very intriguing.
its really horrible because the actress had an ED and a bad relationship with food. dan was well-aware of this and continued making food her obsession.
When I use to watch the loud house. I was baffled how much money the loud house family spend despite the family claiming they're on a budget. There's no way the parents would be spending that much money so randomly with how many kids who have so many hobbies.
Fr. I only have one older sister but trust me, we shared everything. Like her toys became my toys and I do have things that belong to me, yes, but never things as extravagant as some of the Loud House kids (or as much)
I still stare at the episode where the mom claims they on a budget for food...but then you got the green house episode where they straight up use up so much power that it would surely cost a lot of money for the electric bills and water bills in Leni's case of apparently running the bath's water....but not even using it.
@@millsgurl8358 Plus one more example for the food budget being BS- in brawl in the family, they suddenly have enough money to buy two times the food....just to dine seperately with the fighting sisters, and later order how many pizzas when the house goes full on fighting...meaning the food budget becomes BS too.
@@meganwillard4709 yeah. The show want you to think the family don't have enough money because of how many mouths they feed, but with all the antics the family into, the hobbies that cost money for equipment, classes, etc..., the restaurant the dad run, the family got money
When I was in high school, I got bullied/ostracized because everyone thought I was the “rich girl.” I never understood that. When I thought of rich girls, I thought of The Heathers, London Tipton, or The Plastics from Mean Girls. The girls who wear designer clothes, have vacations in 5-star hotels, and drive fancy cars. Now that I’m older, I realized that even though I wasn’t rich, I was still very privileged. I never went to bed hungry, I had my own cell phone, I took hot baths/showers everyday, and even when my parents were their poorest they never forced me to get a job. I was also skilled at finding good-looking clothes from discount stores (Ross, TJ Maxx and DD’s Discount) and Goodwill. Plus my mom taught me how to properly wash and maintain them. Tv (and media in general) can really warp a person’s perception of wealth. The fact that Homer Simpson is portrayed as an under achieve lowers middle class guy really says a lot. He can afford a 2 story house with a finished attic and basement in a crime free neighborhood, 2 cars, 2 pets, his father’s retirement home, support his stay-at-home wife and thee kids, and take them on vacations around the world. He’s not even 40.
I used to get bullied a lot for my cheap clothes until this one kid strangely applauded me for finally coming to school in a designer outfit; something about status. It was all bought second hand 🗿do they not know that designer labels end up in charity shops all the time?
"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses." - Malcolm X
I recently rewatched the series and I have two theories. 1. They invented other stuff too. We saw them make a machine that cooks hot dogs so fast that it brings them to life. After making enough money from those other inventions, they were able to save up enough to put more focus on their passion projects, AKA ghosts gear. 2. Illegal stuff. Jack is terrified over their taxes being audited.
I imagine science grants and other gadgets account for a lot of it. Like when Jazz was trying to get the women in stem magazine to do a story on her mom, she told them her ma did some other kind of research and maddie's correction was basically Yeah, I've done that, but my big passion is ghosts.
Hey Arnold was really based, and had realistic portrayal of people in poverty. The main character lived in a run down apartment (A large home turned into an apartment?) with his grandparents who seemed to at times take care of and feed the rest of the people that lived in the apartment with them. It was a theme to be selfless, and understanding of other people's stories. Damn I love Hey Arnold, I wish more shows showed at least a ounce of that humanity when portraying underprivileged peoples. I also have to say Arnold's voice is very much ASMR..
Steven Universe was weird. Greg wasn't a bad person, but he was portrayed as lazy, dirty, uncaring and was compared to a war criminal because he left his wealthy toxic family. Yet despite being supposedly poor Steven had a lot of toys, videogames and snacks and didn't care much if they broke his stuff.
@@craigpeoples9883 Steven's pain was understandable but "you're just like mom" was unfair. Steven hates Rose as she caused him trauma so he basically told his dad "you're horrible and I hate you". What's worse is that he never apologized
imo bob's burgers is the most realistic portrayal of a lower income family in an animated series especially compared to the simpsons aka "we live in this giant two-story house with attic/garage/basement and can support 3 kids on a single parent income but yeah we're totally poor"
@@BabyGirlTiny I guess it depends on the era. The simpsons started all the way back in 89. I wasn't alive in the 90s so I don't know what was considerd middle class at the time.
@@BabyGirlTiny I’m not sure if they were portrayed as poor, but homer is meant to be the average guy. I’d imagine that’d make the Simpsons the average family. About the Attic, garage, basement thing. The Simpsons live in Springfield, IL. They’re Midwestern. It’s not uncommon for regular people to have houses with basements, attics, and garages. Possibly even two stories. Money goes a lot farther in the Midwest. Cost of living is generally lower. The Simpsons don’t have to be rich to have that. They can just be the average middle class family. You should also remember how old the Simpsons is. That family is not living in today’s world.
I hate when a character on a tv show has a nice house with nice furniture,nice clothes, and have their own room but be talking about “ugh!! I hate this place!!! I wish I could move out of this house already!!” And I look at them like “well shiiiiit, if you feel this way, don’t mind if i move in”
You know...money isn't everything. You can have money and still be unhappy. Sometimes it happens that the atmosphere in the house is so toxic you would rather live somewhere else. Second, in cartoons, it is usually used to teach the lesson "don't take things for granted".
Fr when my family moved and me and my sister finally got a room for ourselves we were so happy. I was always in our room and never once did I ever dislike anything about it. I was just happy to have a room separate from my parents for the first time in my life. And when my sister went to college it just got better because now it’s truly my room and I love it there.❤️
I thought living in a hotel would be the most amazing thing to ever happen. Until we had to live in a hotel (a two star hotel) after a hurricane took away everything we owned. My mom worked there as a house keeper and we had two room my mom and her boyfriend and me and my sister had a room. We had free breakfast in the morning. (They would even make me and my sister special food when we asked) but we didn’t have a kitchen we didn’t have a table to eat at we didn’t have family dinners. It was a very hard time. And I hated suite life of zack and Cody after that
I really hate how people treat being poor like its some moral failing when its literally something you can't even control. like if everybody could pull themselves up by the bootstraps dont you think we all would be doing that ?
@@awsomedude23456 its generational. my mother literally died trying to get herself and us out of poverty, worked herself to death while fighting cancer... it's HARD to climb out, and requires a lot of luck as well as hard work. you can work your ass off, but if that stroke of luck doesn't happen... you leave where you start.
@@awsomedude23456 The system is built to keep poor people poor, it's not our fault. Poor adults grind harder than any rich man ever has in his entire life. People who were poor but become rich are extremely rare for a reason.
I'm in college for sociology myself and basically the short answer is we tend to associate poverty with moral failing as a generational attitude because our ancestors the puritans associated being poor with being punished by God, as in for your sins and failings. People still believe this today as a result even if they aren't religious anymore. And tbh frankly modern day Christianity promotes these ideas as well..
@@gracehaven5459 I heavily disagree with that analysis. People who see working class people as inferior generally do so either because they're brainwashed or because they cannot conceive why someone would be in said circumstances because everyone they interact with is in a good socioeconomic situation like them. Source: I met some damn ignorant upper middle class kids who thought life is easy because no one in their families ever had to work hard a day in their lives.
one thing that’s always bothered me about Chester is how he has braces when he’s portrayed to be completely dirt poor. it’s a minor detail, but.. how? me and my mom went through a lot to get me braces and we’re not anything near rich so it always confuzzled me
@araparseghian2 yeahhh.. i guess it could be meant to be ironic, but at the same time... could it? it could have just been a random design choice with no thought behind it
Probably had Medicaid I would assume. If your dirt poor kids can get medical, dental care for free or really cheap. If you go over the income bracket, Which is already low, then you can lose Medicaid and have to figure out how to pay yourselves.
If candice really wanted to bust Phinease and Ferb, all she really needed to do was show her parents the receipt to the multimillion dollar projects they build in the backyard.
i'm a white dude, but that big pot of chili is too real!!!! 😭😭 we would add macaroni noodles instead of rice, but rice sounds so good 😋 i too was so extremely jealous of rich kids on TV and i'm glad you're talking about this!!
I felt that. We had added macaroni noodles to our chili. I wasn't poor, but I remember this. I'm very thankful, and glad that I'm not in that position anymore.
another thing I notice in the my hero academia fandom, they make classist jokes about ochako and it’s just very weird to me. they portray her reason of wanting to be a hero as bad, when really it’s not. she just wants to take care of her parents, what’s so wrong about that? but no they just want to make it seem like she wants the money all to herself, when that’s really not the case at all.
To comment on this, I don’t think they’ve really ever said it was bad? I could be wrong though. Like she may have thought her reason was less noble but with tenya and midoriya they both understood and even thought it was noble of her to want to provide for her family like that.
THIS like i understand theyre just jokes but its really annoying to me because no one really makes the same jokes about momo or todoroki only getting in bc of their parents money or whatever it was
I used to hate on Kid shows when there was a rich kid who went to schools with regular kids that were not like them. (Example: Muffy from Arthur, Rhonda from Hey Arnold) if you’re so rich why did your parents send you to public school 🤔🤔
That always confused me too. I know the real reason is because the writers wanted that character to add conflict to the story. I will say this. Rich people are stingy with their money. My mom has rich friends (7 figure salaries), and she told me that they refuse to pay for their kids’ college tuition. Their reasoning is, “Well, I wasn’t given a dime by my parents when I went to college. They can just get student loans and pay it off through part time jobs like me.” So an in-cannon reason for rich parents sending their kids to public school is they’re being cheap.
It depends. It's either stinginess and/or that the public schools in the area are actually really good, especially considering the options of non-public schools. My city is a small one that has good public schools, while there's like one secular private school and the rest are all religious ones.
4 possible reasons: a) public school is paid for via taxes, and since many rich people resent having to pay taxes and have the poor benefit from "their" wealth, sending their kid to public school is a way of re-claiming the money "taken" from them via taxes b) a rich kid at a public school has advantages over their less-privileged fellow students, their parents can pay for tutors etc, so it's easier for the rich kid to surpass their fellow students than it would be if all the other kids had access to the same or comparable resources, as would be the case at a private school. A rich kid who might to okay at a private school can be top of their class or close to it at a public school, boosting the kid's and the parents' ego c) some slightly less-assholish rich people, especially those of a liberal bent, consider sending their kids to public school as a token of their "down-to-earth-ness", of being in touch with the "common man" and feel that private education would alienate their kids from large swaths of their generation d) some lightly more-assholish rich people, if they are "first-generation rich" , had more humble beginnings and were publically educated themselves may think what was good enough for them is good enough for their kids and see no point in "spoiling" them. They may even feel some level of resentment toward their own kids for growing up with the wealth they temselves lacked as children.
I always said that no matter how rich I get I would send my public school at least while they're primary school because I don't want to be out touch with reality when they're growing up I want them to meet different kinds of people from different backgrounds early on so that they don't grow up to be snobs. I would probably send them to a private secondary school because that would look impressive on their CV but there's no need to send anyone under the age of 10 to private school. I've looked after private school children and they live in a totally different reality to the rest of us and I feel that's going to impair them when they grow up.
Excuse me, Harriyanna! You CANNOT just direct people to TVTropes without *warning* them about what a massive rabbit hole and time sink it can be! Careful!! (I say this with a smile but I _did_ sink a lot of time during high school just browsing TVTropes, rip.)
This reminds me of how big child youtubers (think Ryan’s world, family channels etc) have impact children expectations on what they can afford, an example is they see these videos of where kids get to unbox 50+ blind bags and then get mad when their parent only gets them 2
IS THIS TRUE!? And if so then man do I feel bad for all these parents and children, but then again the parents should have responsibility over this. At lease back in my day (late 2000s/early 2010s) YT content at least had passion behind them (well not all of them) and it wasn't so that RUclipsrs could milk more money off of little kids.
I’m not sure if you have covered this yet, but have you ever covered the trope of where the main character is constantly pursued by another character that is overly infatuated/obsessed with them? I’m not sure if there’s a term for this….but I’m thinking along the lines of Panini from Cartoon Network’s Chowder and similar characters to her. The main character is constantly expressing that they’re uncomfortable, they’re annoyed, and they do not want to be in a relationship with that person, but for a characters like Panini that all of that falls on deaf ears while she’s constantly talking about them getting married how many kids they will have. Like they just do not take the hint and keep chasing.
@@insomniacraccoon No a Yandere is someone that’s willing to commit violent acts including murder to remove competition and even kill the person that they are infatuated with if the person rejects them/their feelings. I’m talking about those characters like Panini, that curly haired girl with glasses from the suite life of Zack and Cody, Rosco, and other characters that are constantly flirting with/hitting on a character even though their feelings are openly being rejected. Like think of the little boy character that’s constantly flirting with the teenage main girl except it’s boys and girls doing it to characters that are either older than them or the same age as them. When a Yandere’s object of affection rejects them, they snap and kill them. Not continue to chase after them and talk about how they’re going to get married, have so many children, Live a certain lifestyle, focus on what college their hypothetical kids are going into.
I know that if they’re “ugly,” then the trope is called the abhorrent admirer. Some examples are Tutie from the Fairly Odd Parents, Jackie from Kick Buttowski, and Clamantha from Fish Hooks.
yeah it's called sexual harrassment and it shouldn't be made light of in tv shows directed at kids when they're just forming their ideas about love and relationships
This is called me in High School when I was really into guys and couldn't control myself around them (not in a sexual way, more in a I don't know what to do with these overwhelming feelings that I have, I just want to talk to you all day type of thing). Nb I am also neurodivergent, so that may have something to do with it. And it is a normal way to express feelings for some teens (according to my therapist).
The fact that Isle vs. Auradon, in Descendants, represented Good vs Evil and Rich vs Poor and Stuffy vs Cool was really clumsily handled. Like, they could have done something with the fact that those in power (the wealthy) were allowed to define goodness in a way that put themselves in the moral high ground, relative to the "villains", but they didn't do that. They played the Good vs Evil thing pretty much straight; while good people can come from the Isle and bad people can come from Auradon, the point was never made that those who did bad things to save themselves from poverty that was deliberately forced upon them by the "good" and wealthy characters were justified in being angry. They didn't even really say that the ones who had made the Isle were wrong to have done so; the heroes undid it in the end, but they never went so far as to say that Beast was wrong in the first place. So we end up with a Beast and Fairy Godmother who force families into poverty and then act disdainfully toward them for acting like the environment they were put in, and the narrative never paints this as something they should be held accountable for. They're the authority figures, and they're allowed to be as messed up as they want.
Also, the Beast creating the Isle comes off as very hypocritical because the sole reason he became a beat in the original movie was that he was selfish and arrogant. He was a villain for the entire first portion of his movie.
theres a scene in the 2nd or 3rd movie where they go back to the isle and one of the characters almost gets her wallet stolen by some little kids, and she yells at them but looks at them for a second and ends up letting them have it. do you think it was helpful in terms of balancing how each place/group of people was seen (shows that not everyone on the isle is evil for the sake of it) or do you think it was like a bit of a pity scene/detrimental to that dynamic? i hated the last movie but im not sure how i feel about the idea of bringing kids from the isle to auradon
@@poopoo8475 Yes, that was in the second one. I think it's good that they acknowledged that what, in Auradon, is considered criminal behavior is just a means of survival on the Isle; a kid who's starving becoming a pickpocket isn't some recreational thing; they're stealing because they're starving. I think it's definitely good for Evie's character to learn that she can spread her good fortune to others and for that to become a major aspect of her character moving forward; it makes Evie one of my favorites. But I think they failed to bring that idea fully to fruition. They didn't have it in them to say with their whole chest that the children do not deserve to live in poverty and should be allowed better living conditions by default, so the fact that the powers-that-be have let this happen and have no reservations about continuing to let it happen isn't treated as them being wrong; if anything, they're just cautious and stuck in their ways, but not treated as morally wrong. (Beast and Fairy Godmother never have to reckon with what their actions have done to the VKs.) Likewise, Mal deciding that one close call is reason enough to let all the villain kids languish on the Isle forever, despite having promised to free them, isn't really confronted. The film is more comfortable taking Mal to task for lying than for the thing she lied about; though Evie briefly was allowed to get angry on behalf of the villain kids, once Mal saves the day in a completely unrelated battle, all of a sudden everyone is convinced that Mal is just doing her best and there's no need to solve the VK problem at all. So, that was a long answer, but basically, I love the inclusion of the scene with the young pickpockets, but I'm sad that the series seemed so scared to do much more with the idea it posited. (Making Audrey the villain of D3 was also a misstep, imo, because it has nothing thematically to do with the VK thing; she's prejudiced against VK's, but her main thing isn't that she cares whether more VK's come to Auradon; she'd just mad that Mal spelled Ben and sabotaged their relationship. Not to mention she wasn't in the second movie, so the last time the audience saw her, she seemed perfectly fine with VK's and showed no resentment toward any of them. But I go into that on my channel; that's a whole separate thing, lol.)
@@TheAmityElf i agree!!!! i was pretty young when i first started watching but i hated mal for abandoning the isle like that and everyone just being okay with it. it wouldve been one (terrible) thing if she moved to auradon and just stayed there without paying them any thought but the fact that she promised that she would save them from that crippling poverty and THEN went on to leave them behind just sucks. i dont like the way they handled alot of things (including the htings you mentioned) but i honestly rly liked umas character. she just wanted the best for those kids and she was trying to make it happen the only way she knew how
about the clothing thing: you could even dress expensive clothes being poor (like thrifted stuff or gifts or whatever, especially having higher income friends), but at least most of them would look... used. like if you're wearing a designer dress that you found at a very low price in a thrift shop, it would most likely not look new at all because people don't just sell their used designer clothes for $20 if they look brand new????
I can speak from personal experience that there is at least one person in my town who donates perfectly good designer clothes and purses to the goodwill I work at, like I think this person buys clothes just to donate them never wears them But they get sold online for $$$$ not put out on the sales floor for $$
From what I remember, Chester didn’t get fairly odd parents because he had a nice dad. But really that’s just freakin bull crap. CHESTER DESERVED BETTER.
The way social status is viewed in the media has ALWAYS been interesting. For example, if you look at the TV shows and soap operas from the 80s, they always portrayed characters as wealthy people living a luxurious lifestyle. That's why They Live is such an important movie because it calls out the classist politics of the Reagan era. Classism is still a big issue in our society, and it's crucial to show honest portrayals of the middle class or poor characters without making it insulting. Too many students are living with debt. Many middle-class or impoverished people have to work 2-3 jobs to support their families and pay the rent. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND WATCHING THEY LIVE!!! IT'S TRULY SCARY HOW THE ISSUES THEY TALKED ABOUT STILL AFFECT OUR CAPITALIST AND CONSUMERIST SOCIETY. ALSO, US DID A GREAT JOB AT TACKLING THE CLASS SYSTEM TOO!
I watched Descendants as a 15 yr old without any prior knowledge of the series I couldn’t understand why all these supposedly kind, caring and justice driven princesses were so comfortable creating essentially a slum and a penal colony, filled with innocent children who were born into horrendous conditions.
Its always really hurt my feelings to see poor people portrayed as overly rude, selfish, abusive etc. I grew up poor, most of the people I know grew up poor or lower middle class, and let me tell you the kindest and most giving ones are always the people that gotta survive on instant noodles for half the month. My grandma was the furthest away from abusive you can get but she was strict as hell and never let me get away with being rude. I think a lot of the "rude, abusive" stereotypes come from families with substance abuse issues, and that's a completely separate issue from being poor. Those families need support more than anyone else yet are continuously shit on everywhere in society, and lumping their issues in with people who just aren't well off creates animosity between the two groups when we should all be working together against the upper class.
I really think it depends on the reasons why people are poor. I know I grew up poor because my mom was married to a huge financial leach until fairly recently (severe drug addict and abuser), but others could just be affected by intergenerational poverty. I think it would be cool if more shows got into this.
I was today years old when I learned that the late Robin Williams hired homeless people for all of his productions. If I ever become rich and famous, I would want to use some of my money to help the poor and homeless. I don't want the years of watching their bad portrayals over the years to affect my judgement anymore! ✊
As someone who’s family has been on food stamps for as long as I can remember and has been living in hotels for the past year, seeing the way poor people are portrayed sometimes makes me want to cry in frustration. Even when I was young as seven, I could tell when I was the butt of the joke in those shows.
That’s something I think the One Day at a Time remake did very well I mean the family there is not really poor but the show makes a good job telling that the mother struggles financially and she needs the kids to take it easy at how they spend their money
So let me get this straight. Timmy Turner gets Fairy god parents despite the fact that he, apart from having a mean babysitter, is very well off and doesn't really need them. But Chester, who's family has to dig through trash just for food, get's nothing? Butch Hartman has a LOT of explaining to do.
I really vibe with this video. Anytime there's a poor person on a show they're trailer trash, stupid, dirty, and criminals. I haven't heard anyone talk about this so it's cool finally seeing someone acknowledge it and put it in words. Also it was super messed up he didn't get fairies and they took them from him.
3:40 I know the question was about growing up as a poor black kid, but I'll share my food things too. I'm white for reference. We had this giant pasta bowl, and I loved when I saw it come out. We had pasta multiple times a week, and I didn't know that was different than other households. We also had rice and mashed potatoes all the time. Also, I remember other kids parents would have them try fish even if they didn't like it. My Dad barely had enough fish to share if we had it. I didn't realize the other kids parents were buying fish, and we only had fish in the house if my Dad caught some.
Nice to see a video tackle classism in cartoons for once. You can tell a lot about a writer's/show-runner's character based on what passes for humor in their show, and if, to them, it's showing the poor scavenging for food, well...they'd get along great with Elon Musk.
I'm glad you mentioned how Shake It Up is a good example of the "Pottery Barn Poor" trope." I never understood how CeCe Jones would always talk about how poor her family was, but she always wore fashionable clothes and accessories, and that was even before she got the job at Shake It Up Chicago
Yesss!!! I had rice with chili and spaghetti a LOT when I was growing up. Watching shows like Hannah Montana and The Suite Life of Zack and Cody was the escapist media for me and my siblings. Often these shows portray middle class families… but are they really middle class tho 🤔.
as a kid i HATED jessie!! Similar to the kids in that show, my parents were always working and weren’t really around either. But I was so bitter and jealous because at least those kids were rich! Like yeah u don’t see ur parents but at least u don’t have to worry about losing your house?? Or worry about ur next meal???
About none of the miraculous kids being poor, Marinette literally has a LOT of money,, rent in Paris is STUPID HIGH and not only does Marinette live in the city centre, aka an area of Paris so expensive only suuuuper rich people can afford to live there, she literally lives right in front of the Seine river and literally right in front of the Norte Dame Cathedral, right in front of it. Its worth noting that her family’s bakery is known in the show as “the best in all Paris”, doing pastries for very important city events and exclusive movie premiers, etc etc… so literally, Marinette is rich and the series has shown this on multiple occasions… And yeah, the rest of the kids also live on the city centre so they’ve all got money
Love the new set and this topic! Low income kids often have to shop at thrift stores, rewear the same items of clothing numerous times, get hand me downs from siblings and older cousins, and struggle to afford field trips and pricy extracurriculars. They cannot afford these famous Disney layered new Old Navy outfits each episode. Also they can’t always afford perfectly toned/highlighted custom colored hair.
this is another reason one of my favorite kids shows is arthur, it shows characters in different situations/classes with equal respect and doesn't make a joke of their situations (except for rightfully talking shit about muffy and her dad because they're jerks lmao) EDIT: OMG YOU WERE AT AWA?? i haven't been in forever but it's an amazing con and i'm happy you had a good time! the art you bought looks awesome too 😍 jazmine as ochaco is so cute
I remember going weeks at a time without electricity or running water, washing my clothes by hand, and often eating only once a day. I used to think any household with cable tv and/or air conditioning was wealthy. I'm not in that position anymore, but it's really warped my perception a bit; I struggle with feeling like a glutton if I eat more than two meals a day, and a lot of technology that's been around for ten years still feels new and advanced to me. My ex boyfriend would point out how cheap or low-grade some of the ingredients I cooked with were, and it confused me because it was the best we had, and to me they were just fine. Mind you I don't feel bad for myself, and I never regret the way I grew up.
That part about kids spending their parents money is true. I was in High school when True Religion jeans were $200 and up. There were kids had like 10 pairs of them.
Once a year (around thanksgiving) my dad makes a whole vat of gumbo and puts in like 5 gallons freezer bags and MANY quart sized bags and just leaves them in the freezer. And throughout the year when they didn’t feel like cooking we’d pull out a page and eat it with rice. I can’t wait to go home this year and get my bags 👀👀
I remember watching Chester eating literal garbage with his father and were both actually ENJOYING it, kinda "Yay! Garbage! My favorite!", the show was literally joking about it and saying that people eating from trash actually liked it
There's an episode of Hey Arnold about a new girl who's in Arnold's classes. She's portrayed as pretty, smart, kind, and quiet. But Arnold's other classmates weaponize the new girl's socioeconomic status before helping her.
I'm honestly not poor at all, I'm like middle class and there are a lot of "middle class" characters in kids' shows but I always felt bad bc my life was nothing like theirs. like they would always have an allowance and buy new stuff all the time unless they had like a hundred siblings, and I only have one sister but we still never got an allowance or anything like that. but I never thought it was weird that TV kids had that kinda stuff, I thought I was the weird one for not being like them and that really sucks ps. I'm not at all complaining about my life, I've always had a comfortable life and went to private schools my whole life (here they aren't as "exclusive" as they seem to be in the US, a lot of middle class people go to private schools), I'm just saying that >as a young child< that always made me feel bad
Are you latina? Because I am too lol the school thing is damn relatable but the reason why ""private"" schools are cheap enough that many middle class and working class families send their children there its because they aren't actually private, they're basically public schools with private management. my school was like that the government mostly paid the school but the teachers were able to manage the school as they pleased. actual private schools are for the rich kids and theyre insanely expensive.
Losing my dad as a kid really screwed me up cuz grief is grief it’s complex and I felt like others expected my reaction to be bad at first but really quickly snap back to before and there’s been no getting back to before he passed years after. But in media it’s a very special episode not a changed character
Another trope I always found weird was that the nerds, both kids and adults, always get picked on. Like isn't being smart a good thing, especially if you have good intentions like most of the nerd characters? Why do all of them have impaired vison, thus needing glasses? And why are glasses considered ugly on tv? Idk it just doesn't make sense.
The glasses thing has an interesting history as a trope because before contact lenses/cheaper glasses a mid with glasses was a kid who couldn’t play contact sports since it was too risky, prior to the internet and other social opportunities for kids (especially boys who wouldn’t have many social non-physical options to occupy their time, as opposed to girls who could still play dolls together or whatever) as a result making friends would be harder for these kids and they’d likely take on less social hobbies (like reading or art) and probably struggle with social hierarchy in schools, especially at t a time when these were more rigid, resulting in an association between kids with glasses, ‘nerdy’ hobbies, book smarts, and being socially undesirable. In addition it is super common for animators and children’s writers to draw inspiration from media they’re nostalgic for, this is why there were so many hippie jokes in kids media in the 90s/2000s, because hippie jokes were relevant in the 1960s and the people making kids shows for the 90s/2000s were kids in the 60s. Also would have been kids when glasses were a bigger indicator of a kid’s popularity as well
My issue with descendants: *poverty is quirky* ✨ Compare how the rich kids were portrayed and how the villains kids were portrayed, they're edgy, cunning, they wore that Monster High like fashion, they're rebels and they break rules for fun because they're edgy and all that.
I remember 2008 and parroting some joke from fairly oddparents at my dad that implied his job was the reason we were financially struggling and I found out really recently that it stuck with him since then. This vid really helped me dissect that feeling better Thank you!
I always found it weird when a character complains that they're poor when they live in a large two-story house. Like I grew up poor most of my life and at best I lived in a small mobile home. :/ I envied people who actually lived in two-story houses.
A relatively poor person can afford a pretty big house if they live in say rural Ohio and don't mind like water damage, occasionallate night visitors who bought meth from the previous owners, and possibly the ghosts of dead Victorian children, what I find odd is when they live in suburban California in a mcmansion or mid century modern thats either a new build or has been maintained in perfect condition since no earlier than the 1950s.
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 Yeah, I suppose it depends on where you live. I was shocked to see how inexpensive housing is in certain states. I used to live in California and housing costs are insanely high. I think the average cost of a 2 story house is like $500,000? Hell even a lot of one stories tend to be above $200,000-300,000. 🥴
@@galaxieflora1078 Fr, where I live my mom bought a two story house for around 65k and it was the most expensive in the neighborhood. Tbf though, it’s over 100 years old, slowly crumbling, and in a slightly questionable neighborhood. But seriously, midwestern US house prices are really cheap compared to Cali, I think that’s why I’ve seen a bunch of license plates from there up here.
people only like to portray poor people when they can glamorize it or make it "cute" poor. if the character is actually poor, they're portrayed as unhygienic weirdos :/
aside from the fact all the kids in miraculous live close to the eiffel tower, the fact that they all go to the same school as both chloe and adrien shows how rich they are. you really think chloe or adriens uptight, rich parents would let them go to any old public school?
Grown-ish feels like the living embodiment of pottery barn. Not all the characters are supposed to be well off, but even the ones who are allegedly having money troubles have the sickest threads and decor I've ever seen.
The real war on poverty is against those not helping others get outta poverty. Hollywood and the media in general are a key factor to blame for this shit. Thanks again for telling it like it is, Harri. Take care and keep on kicking ass!
Maya had it good compared to most. My father left when I was a kid, too. But my mom and I still got by. I resent him for leaving, and it was a struggle, but my mom and I got through it together.
I would love to see Your reaction to h2o just add water and to the dynamic between the 3 main characters who were all from different social backgrounds :)
I am gonna go off on a bit of a tangent by one of the shows you mentioned... As told by ginger... Whhhhy did they do a black girl bully?!? Honestly i kinda think they lowkey contributed to the "angry black girl/woman" trope!
Loved the part about clothing on "poor" characters being expensive/luxury. It would be so dope for less wealthy characters to dress accordingly, better representation for kids who grew up not having a lot and also a good challenge for the stylists! A good stylist doesn't need expensive items to make a great fit.
Also because the example Harri was using that picture of Maya was actually a behind the scenes episode of GMW it wasn’t canon to the series. It was the actors talking about the show with bloopers, q&a, etc.
From a ratings perspective, no one wants to watch someone in shabby, cheap clothing. People like to watch attractive people in nice clothing. These networks have to consider ratings if they want to stay on the air.
I really like the portrayal of Keith from Voltron. It's obvious he wasn't doing that good financially as he was an orphan and lived in a shack but nobody judged him, Allura wasn't the typical rich girl or a helpless princess as well. Like damn, the show had potential.
Pop do I come to the sound of the bell. But really I look forward to a discussion on this topic. Cause it can't be like a coincidence that most kids shows have two best friends and one is rich and other is poor with family issues.
Also the way the show tries too hard to say that Marinette is somehow poor just pisses me off. Astruc did even try to know what poor people really are? And the way not only Astruc,but other artists from different shows and movies portray my country in this stereotiped way to say Brazil os ALL about poverty,soccer,jungles, etc wreck my nerves. They never show other states,they only show São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro as they are the whole country,and even make them look worse than they are. The issue is that while Brazil is not a poor country,It is a country that is overexplored by North America and Europe in general. And yes,have poverty and a lot a social problems,but the government does nothing because they don't care about these people.
Her family is certainly not poot, she gets a vesper, her family owns a bakery in a high class area in paris. Her family is certainly not poor. She probably has just parents who want to kep her grounded and not high of herself, but they are not poor at all.
Honestly if Chloe Bourgeois thinks Marinette is poor, she needs to go and check out Southeast London 😂😂 I always wondered how clueless she is because the Dupain-Cheng family are bakers and are living decent since Marinette doesn’t go hungry.
My parents and grandmother cook for a lot many times. They're Bajan people (from Barbados). If they do on Sundays, it would last at least a few days at a time. They still do that now from time to time.
I grew up in bankruptcy and only just recently got out of it. The house i lived in was better than most. with the fact i had my own room and it was 2 story. But we got the house before the bankruptcy really took place. But even then my family was never the most well off the house was just in a really small city so it was very cheap. Once banrupcy took full hold we barley got a lot of food and we couldn't afford school lunch so we had to pack our lunch or get the free lunch. It was rare for me to even afford the 25 cent icecream the school had. But the worst part is that things in our house kept breaking but we could never fix them so over time things in the house just got worse and worse until eventually we all just sort of gave up on the house. There was mold, roaches, holes in the walls of almost every room, cat and dog pee stains everywhere, leaking pipes, no ventilation at all and i could go on. Point is that for a long while that house was just not healthy to live in, but we still couldn't do anything because we couldn't buy even the smallest of supplies to fix things. To make things worse the house hold went through a divorce. Basically i wish shows would stop treating people who struggle with money so poorly (pun intended) and actually see sothe struggles we can go through and just how terrible it can actually be .
A show I think worked well with classism was Hey Arnold! It really showed the struggles between characters in various ways with both rich and poor alike
@harriyanna hook i can think of another show that was quite classist. It's an adult cartoon called The Oblongs which aired on WB and on syndications for Adult Swim. They were very stereotypical with how they portrayed both rich and poor people: The Hills (wealthy) lived in clean, fresh, safe environments and are seen as arrogant, rude, and condescending and The Valley (poor) are portrayed lived in a toxic waste dump filled with poisonous radiation which causes deformations and disabilities and they're portrayed as scums of the earth to The Hills. Also, would you describe LaCienega from The Proud Family as an example of both racism and classism?
@@awsomedude23456 from what I watched from hook's video lacienega boulevard is a self-loathing narcissist, Harriyanna stated that Lacienega would make snide comments towards Penny and black people and that she gets her attitude from her grandfather Papi who's extremely racist towards Suga Mama.
@@awsomedude23456 Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying that Antonio. It's just interesting that, as an adult, you pick up something new from all of these shows. On Thursday, my job coach and I watched Mary J Blige's documentary and how it reflects on me learning self advocacy and being a brave, strong individual. It's was a very good documentary because it addresses what it means to be successful in the real world, regardless of racism, colorism, classism, sexism, and stereotyping. I just wish children's shows (or people who work behind the scenes) would have an open mind about how life works.
@@awsomedude23456 OMG, I agree! Papi is not racist. How would you feel if a woman is obsessed over you and won’t leave you the fuck alone? That has nothing to do with race. So the other person has to tell me how Papi is racist. I do like Suga Mama and the rest of Penny’s family but if someone doesn’t like you back, just stop bothering them? The That’s So Raven episode about racism, now that was actually addressing racism. I don’t think LaCienega was racist, either. Just jealous of Penny and trying to out do her, like trying to kick her out of the cheerleading squad. She was originally Dijonay’s friend and Dijonay is darker than Penny. Penny had shitty friends in general and someone made a video about it. I’m pretty sure people were homophobic towards Michael, the guy who’s the coach’s son because the coach doesn’t want to be seen with him and there’s the episode where people called him a “sissy”. I heard there’s going to be a reboot of Proud Family too. I don’t like LaCienega, but I like how there’s a representation of an upper-middle class Latino family like my family is. I feel like if you took the bitchiness out of LaCienega, that would be me because I lived with a Spanish only speaking grandparents and my mom and she looks like me as if I were a cartoon.
Not black but to this day my mom makes a massive pot of spaghetti that we eat for a few days and then she turns that spaghetti into chili that we eat for a few days. We don't eat the chili with rice but we do bulk it out with cornbread or crackers or corn chips.
Good fucking video, and on top of all this, there's also the way dialect works as a class indicator. I've never been poor and my relationship to material conditions is complex, but the way classism has affected my life through linguistic supremacy has been very deep.
Among the other terrible things I’ve hears about Dan, basically they thought they wouldn’t get called out about how Sam is betrayed because she’s white. She has most of the traits that’d probably get called out as racist if applied to a black woman but because she’s poor and most people didn’t call out classism at the time they thought they’d get off scott free. Line if you’re black they apply these stero types regardless of class.
Looking back at the Fairly Odd Parents, the classism was so heavy. They always made fun of Chester and treated it like a joke, when it's really sad. They had him eating out of garbage cans, and no one batted an eyelash...
The one thing that really annoyed me is the mean rich kid who has bad parents trope cuz why are there so many rich kids who have bad/mean parents? Why can't there be a nice humble rich man or women who has a bratty kid and they try to teach their kid not to be a arrogant brat?
Chester should’ve got Fairy OddParents. He deserved better.
AJ deserves better too.
Tootie Too! She's So Miserable Living With Vicky!
All them kids deserved better, look at the teacher and babysitter they had to deal with.
strongly agree.
I think the reason he didn’t is because he was still “happy.” Because he did get fairies in Fairy Idol but he still wanted Timmy to be happy over him. He’s just a really nice kid.
My mom would cook a large pot of spaghetti that would last for the rest of the week. And boy, it was delicious. That's why as an adult, I begin making a large pot of spaghetti as a reminiscent of my childhood.
ONLY A WEEK ???????!!!!!!!!
My dad does that in a big tall pot too ☺️ and he wasn’t budging if you tried to act tired of the spaghetti
@@ladybug_56 8 days. But it was worth it. I love spaghetti.
@@ladybug_56 sometimes two for my family
My mom would make a giant pan of lasagna and it would last me, my sister, and her for the week. If we got sick of it, oh well 🙃
I really hate that Dan makes fun of homeless peoples and it really offended me. Don’t like how they always portrayed Sam, knew she was poor and it’s like an issue the way Dan portrayed her.
Dan Schneider is so disgusting. I have no sympathy for him.
@@Trump-jk9rm do you find it interesting that people make fun of the foot fetish thing more than the pedophile thing?
@@Trump-jk9rm all the children’s feet thing is pretty damming
Sam: my mom only left me 20 bucks for sausages and bagels and I haven't seen her in a month
* laugh track plays *
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SAYS THE SAME THING AS ME
I have something to add about Sam, the fact that she’s always hungry and eats a lot. But she’s poor and her mom is not the most stable adult in her ife……Is she being fed at home? Kinda reminds me of Kyouko from Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Kyouko’s Family was poor and they didn’t know when their next meal was going to come. So when she became a magical girl she is always eating and gets angry when people waste food because that was something she did not have resulting in her always being starving. (Which is why she threatened to kill Sayaka if she catches her wasting food again)
So maybe with Sam from iCarly maybe the reason why she eats a lot and “being hungry was her personality“ was more because maybe she wasn’t getting fed at home.
Holy crap that is a really interesting take. It makes sense, and it’s kind of tragic too. Sadly iCarly wasn’t created by a decent person so this was never something the crew and by extension the audience could’ve looked into and it’s a shame because it’s very intriguing.
Sam even said that her mom doesn’t feed her in “I promote techfoots” when she hired Sonja to be her personal chef.
watching it for the first time now because of this comment! thanks :)
its really horrible because the actress had an ED and a bad relationship with food. dan was well-aware of this and continued making food her obsession.
@@naomisathyendra6973 Yep she has appearently some eating disordr problm history and yikes. More than already not letting her charact actually grow.
When I use to watch the loud house. I was baffled how much money the loud house family spend despite the family claiming they're on a budget. There's no way the parents would be spending that much money so randomly with how many kids who have so many hobbies.
Fr. I only have one older sister but trust me, we shared everything. Like her toys became my toys and I do have things that belong to me, yes, but never things as extravagant as some of the Loud House kids (or as much)
I still stare at the episode where the mom claims they on a budget for food...but then you got the green house episode where they straight up use up so much power that it would surely cost a lot of money for the electric bills and water bills in Leni's case of apparently running the bath's water....but not even using it.
@@meganwillard4709 Exactly!
@@millsgurl8358 Plus one more example for the food budget being BS- in brawl in the family, they suddenly have enough money to buy two times the food....just to dine seperately with the fighting sisters, and later order how many pizzas when the house goes full on fighting...meaning the food budget becomes BS too.
@@meganwillard4709 yeah. The show want you to think the family don't have enough money because of how many mouths they feed, but with all the antics the family into, the hobbies that cost money for equipment, classes, etc..., the restaurant the dad run, the family got money
Malcolm in the middle is probably the only show that displayed the lower middle class accurately.
This show deserves more recognition
The Middle did too.
Lois was such a resourceful queen!
i thought they were working class
Amazing world of gumball?
When I was in high school, I got bullied/ostracized because everyone thought I was the “rich girl.” I never understood that. When I thought of rich girls, I thought of The Heathers, London Tipton, or The Plastics from Mean Girls. The girls who wear designer clothes, have vacations in 5-star hotels, and drive fancy cars. Now that I’m older, I realized that even though I wasn’t rich, I was still very privileged. I never went to bed hungry, I had my own cell phone, I took hot baths/showers everyday, and even when my parents were their poorest they never forced me to get a job. I was also skilled at finding good-looking clothes from discount stores (Ross, TJ Maxx and DD’s Discount) and Goodwill. Plus my mom taught me how to properly wash and maintain them.
Tv (and media in general) can really warp a person’s perception of wealth. The fact that Homer Simpson is portrayed as an under achieve lowers middle class guy really says a lot. He can afford a 2 story house with a finished attic and basement in a crime free neighborhood, 2 cars, 2 pets, his father’s retirement home, support his stay-at-home wife and thee kids, and take them on vacations around the world. He’s not even 40.
I used to get bullied a lot for my cheap clothes until this one kid strangely applauded me for finally coming to school in a designer outfit; something about status.
It was all bought second hand 🗿do they not know that designer labels end up in charity shops all the time?
At the same time I believe that it sucks that people ironically judged you on your money instead of what you actually are
I LOVE DD's!
"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses."
- Malcolm X
How the hell did Danny's family make money if nobody believed in ghosts??? It did not add up LMAO
I recently rewatched the series and I have two theories.
1. They invented other stuff too. We saw them make a machine that cooks hot dogs so fast that it brings them to life. After making enough money from those other inventions, they were able to save up enough to put more focus on their passion projects, AKA ghosts gear.
2. Illegal stuff. Jack is terrified over their taxes being audited.
They had a side Hustle
I imagine science grants and other gadgets account for a lot of it. Like when Jazz was trying to get the women in stem magazine to do a story on her mom, she told them her ma did some other kind of research and maddie's correction was basically Yeah, I've done that, but my big passion is ghosts.
Hey Arnold was really based, and had realistic portrayal of people in poverty. The main character lived in a run down apartment (A large home turned into an apartment?) with his grandparents who seemed to at times take care of and feed the rest of the people that lived in the apartment with them. It was a theme to be selfless, and understanding of other people's stories. Damn I love Hey Arnold, I wish more shows showed at least a ounce of that humanity when portraying underprivileged peoples.
I also have to say Arnold's voice is very much ASMR..
Steven Universe was weird. Greg wasn't a bad person, but he was portrayed as lazy, dirty, uncaring and was compared to a war criminal because he left his wealthy toxic family. Yet despite being supposedly poor Steven had a lot of toys, videogames and snacks and didn't care much if they broke his stuff.
Until Future but his fustration was understandable
@@craigpeoples9883 Steven's pain was understandable but "you're just like mom" was unfair. Steven hates Rose as she caused him trauma so he basically told his dad "you're horrible and I hate you". What's worse is that he never apologized
@@syugi7774He never had a education and was robbed of a childhood what did you expect?
@@craigpeoples9883 Literally to just say sorry to his dad because it looks like the narrative is victim blaming Greg for cutting off his family
@@syugi7774 +++
imo bob's burgers is the most realistic portrayal of a lower income family in an animated series
especially compared to the simpsons aka "we live in this giant two-story house with attic/garage/basement and can support 3 kids on a single parent income but yeah we're totally poor"
Were the simpsons ever portrayed as poor though? I never got the feeling they were poor, but they were well off enough to get by
@@BabyGirlTiny they're occasionally shown as being way lower class in the older seasons and it really gets played up in the newer seasons.
@@BabyGirlTiny I guess it depends on the era. The simpsons started all the way back in 89. I wasn't alive in the 90s so I don't know what was considerd middle class at the time.
That was the norm in the 1980's when the show first aired, most women were too busy with the kids or MLM's
@@BabyGirlTiny I’m not sure if they were portrayed as poor, but homer is meant to be the average guy. I’d imagine that’d make the Simpsons the average family. About the Attic, garage, basement thing. The Simpsons live in Springfield, IL. They’re Midwestern. It’s not uncommon for regular people to have houses with basements, attics, and garages. Possibly even two stories. Money goes a lot farther in the Midwest. Cost of living is generally lower. The Simpsons don’t have to be rich to have that. They can just be the average middle class family. You should also remember how old the Simpsons is. That family is not living in today’s world.
I hate when a character on a tv show has a nice house with nice furniture,nice clothes, and have their own room but be talking about “ugh!! I hate this place!!! I wish I could move out of this house already!!” And I look at them like “well shiiiiit, if you feel this way, don’t mind if i move in”
but some of them only say that because of the toxicity in their household.
@@frog3630 true
You know...money isn't everything. You can have money and still be unhappy. Sometimes it happens that the atmosphere in the house is so toxic you would rather live somewhere else. Second, in cartoons, it is usually used to teach the lesson "don't take things for granted".
Fr when my family moved and me and my sister finally got a room for ourselves we were so happy. I was always in our room and never once did I ever dislike anything about it. I was just happy to have a room separate from my parents for the first time in my life. And when my sister went to college it just got better because now it’s truly my room and I love it there.❤️
I thought living in a hotel would be the most amazing thing to ever happen. Until we had to live in a hotel (a two star hotel) after a hurricane took away everything we owned. My mom worked there as a house keeper and we had two room my mom and her boyfriend and me and my sister had a room. We had free breakfast in the morning. (They would even make me and my sister special food when we asked) but we didn’t have a kitchen we didn’t have a table to eat at we didn’t have family dinners. It was a very hard time. And I hated suite life of zack and Cody after that
I'm so sorry. :(
Elouise from what I remember portrayed it well
I really hate how people treat being poor like its some moral failing when its literally something you can't even control. like if everybody could pull themselves up by the bootstraps dont you think we all would be doing that ?
@@awsomedude23456 Most of us are born into it, I hate when people act like poor children and teens decided where to be placed
@@awsomedude23456 its generational. my mother literally died trying to get herself and us out of poverty, worked herself to death while fighting cancer... it's HARD to climb out, and requires a lot of luck as well as hard work. you can work your ass off, but if that stroke of luck doesn't happen... you leave where you start.
@@awsomedude23456 The system is built to keep poor people poor, it's not our fault. Poor adults grind harder than any rich man ever has in his entire life. People who were poor but become rich are extremely rare for a reason.
I'm in college for sociology myself and basically the short answer is we tend to associate poverty with moral failing as a generational attitude because our ancestors the puritans associated being poor with being punished by God, as in for your sins and failings. People still believe this today as a result even if they aren't religious anymore. And tbh frankly modern day Christianity promotes these ideas as well..
@@gracehaven5459 I heavily disagree with that analysis. People who see working class people as inferior generally do so either because they're brainwashed or because they cannot conceive why someone would be in said circumstances because everyone they interact with is in a good socioeconomic situation like them. Source: I met some damn ignorant upper middle class kids who thought life is easy because no one in their families ever had to work hard a day in their lives.
one thing that’s always bothered me about Chester is how he has braces when he’s portrayed to be completely dirt poor. it’s a minor detail, but.. how? me and my mom went through a lot to get me braces and we’re not anything near rich so it always confuzzled me
I never thought of that
@araparseghian2 yeahhh.. i guess it could be meant to be ironic, but at the same time... could it? it could have just been a random design choice with no thought behind it
Probably had Medicaid I would assume. If your dirt poor kids can get medical, dental care for free or really cheap. If you go over the income bracket, Which is already low, then you can lose Medicaid and have to figure out how to pay yourselves.
yea prob some health insurance
Also dental schools will do super cheap dental work in exchange for giving the students experience
If candice really wanted to bust Phinease and Ferb, all she really needed to do was show her parents the receipt to the multimillion dollar projects they build in the backyard.
i'm a white dude, but that big pot of chili is too real!!!! 😭😭 we would add macaroni noodles instead of rice, but rice sounds so good 😋 i too was so extremely jealous of rich kids on TV and i'm glad you're talking about this!!
I felt that. We had added macaroni noodles to our chili. I wasn't poor, but I remember this. I'm very thankful, and glad that I'm not in that position anymore.
Damn
another thing I notice in the my hero academia fandom, they make classist jokes about ochako and it’s just very weird to me. they portray her reason of wanting to be a hero as bad, when really it’s not. she just wants to take care of her parents, what’s so wrong about that? but no they just want to make it seem like she wants the money all to herself, when that’s really not the case at all.
To comment on this, I don’t think they’ve really ever said it was bad? I could be wrong though. Like she may have thought her reason was less noble but with tenya and midoriya they both understood and even thought it was noble of her to want to provide for her family like that.
@@itsmxtwist no I mean the FANDOM has been saying it’s a bad reason
@@frog3630 okay I simply misunderstood. Anyone who thinks that needs to sort out their priorities.
THIS like i understand theyre just jokes but its really annoying to me because no one really makes the same jokes about momo or todoroki only getting in bc of their parents money or whatever it was
The thing that frustrates me is how the creator also helps this proliferate. He constantly makes comics that joke about Uraraka’s poorness
I used to hate on Kid shows when there was a rich kid who went to schools with regular kids that were not like them. (Example: Muffy from Arthur, Rhonda from Hey Arnold) if you’re so rich why did your parents send you to public school 🤔🤔
That always confused me too. I know the real reason is because the writers wanted that character to add conflict to the story.
I will say this. Rich people are stingy with their money. My mom has rich friends (7 figure salaries), and she told me that they refuse to pay for their kids’ college tuition. Their reasoning is, “Well, I wasn’t given a dime by my parents when I went to college. They can just get student loans and pay it off through part time jobs like me.” So an in-cannon reason for rich parents sending their kids to public school is they’re being cheap.
It depends. It's either stinginess and/or that the public schools in the area are actually really good, especially considering the options of non-public schools. My city is a small one that has good public schools, while there's like one secular private school and the rest are all religious ones.
That not uncommon my sister went to school with a guy whose dad was a lawyer and wonder why he was not sent to a private school?
4 possible reasons: a) public school is paid for via taxes, and since many rich people resent having to pay taxes and have the poor benefit from "their" wealth, sending their kid to public school is a way of re-claiming the money "taken" from them via taxes
b) a rich kid at a public school has advantages over their less-privileged fellow students, their parents can pay for tutors etc, so it's easier for the rich kid to surpass their fellow students than it would be if all the other kids had access to the same or comparable resources, as would be the case at a private school. A rich kid who might to okay at a private school can be top of their class or close to it at a public school, boosting the kid's and the parents' ego
c) some slightly less-assholish rich people, especially those of a liberal bent, consider sending their kids to public school as a token of their "down-to-earth-ness", of being in touch with the "common man" and feel that private education would alienate their kids from large swaths of their generation
d) some lightly more-assholish rich people, if they are "first-generation rich" , had more humble beginnings and were publically educated themselves may think what was good enough for them is good enough for their kids and see no point in "spoiling" them. They may even feel some level of resentment toward their own kids for growing up with the wealth they temselves lacked as children.
I always said that no matter how rich I get I would send my public school at least while they're primary school because I don't want to be out touch with reality when they're growing up I want them to meet different kinds of people from different backgrounds early on so that they don't grow up to be snobs. I would probably send them to a private secondary school because that would look impressive on their CV but there's no need to send anyone under the age of 10 to private school.
I've looked after private school children and they live in a totally different reality to the rest of us and I feel that's going to impair them when they grow up.
Excuse me, Harriyanna! You CANNOT just direct people to TVTropes without *warning* them about what a massive rabbit hole and time sink it can be! Careful!! (I say this with a smile but I _did_ sink a lot of time during high school just browsing TVTropes, rip.)
SAME. It's so addictive to read all the pages and stuff.
_TVTropes will ruin your life_
I was literally looking for this exact comment. Rabbit hole is an understatement, it’s an underground fortress
I once read one article because bored, and guess what's happened
This reminds me of how big child youtubers (think Ryan’s world, family channels etc) have impact children expectations on what they can afford, an example is they see these videos of where kids get to unbox 50+ blind bags and then get mad when their parent only gets them 2
Omg, yes! super unhealthy for impressionable children to watch...
Im glad I watched all about meep and 4everlalaloopsy when i was younger… like wth are these kids channels nowadays
IS THIS TRUE!? And if so then man do I feel bad for all these parents and children, but then again the parents should have responsibility over this. At lease back in my day (late 2000s/early 2010s) YT content at least had passion behind them (well not all of them) and it wasn't so that RUclipsrs could milk more money off of little kids.
I’m not sure if you have covered this yet, but have you ever covered the trope of where the main character is constantly pursued by another character that is overly infatuated/obsessed with them? I’m not sure if there’s a term for this….but I’m thinking along the lines of Panini from Cartoon Network’s Chowder and similar characters to her.
The main character is constantly expressing that they’re uncomfortable, they’re annoyed, and they do not want to be in a relationship with that person, but for a characters like Panini that all of that falls on deaf ears while she’s constantly talking about them getting married how many kids they will have. Like they just do not take the hint and keep chasing.
Yandere
@@insomniacraccoon No a Yandere is someone that’s willing to commit violent acts including murder to remove competition and even kill the person that they are infatuated with if the person rejects them/their feelings.
I’m talking about those characters like Panini, that curly haired girl with glasses from the suite life of Zack and Cody, Rosco, and other characters that are constantly flirting with/hitting on a character even though their feelings are openly being rejected. Like think of the little boy character that’s constantly flirting with the teenage main girl except it’s boys and girls doing it to characters that are either older than them or the same age as them.
When a Yandere’s object of affection rejects them, they snap and kill them. Not continue to chase after them and talk about how they’re going to get married, have so many children, Live a certain lifestyle, focus on what college their hypothetical kids are going into.
I know that if they’re “ugly,” then the trope is called the abhorrent admirer. Some examples are Tutie from the Fairly Odd Parents, Jackie from Kick Buttowski, and Clamantha from Fish Hooks.
yeah it's called sexual harrassment and it shouldn't be made light of in tv shows directed at kids when they're just forming their ideas about love and relationships
This is called me in High School when I was really into guys and couldn't control myself around them (not in a sexual way, more in a I don't know what to do with these overwhelming feelings that I have, I just want to talk to you all day type of thing). Nb I am also neurodivergent, so that may have something to do with it. And it is a normal way to express feelings for some teens (according to my therapist).
I loved a lot of PBS shows for more realistic views of childhood. Disney channel often made me feel less than for being low income.
I love the braids! Also, I cannot stand when a character who lives in a poor household, they're often regarded as losers and weirdos.
The fact that Isle vs. Auradon, in Descendants, represented Good vs Evil and Rich vs Poor and Stuffy vs Cool was really clumsily handled. Like, they could have done something with the fact that those in power (the wealthy) were allowed to define goodness in a way that put themselves in the moral high ground, relative to the "villains", but they didn't do that. They played the Good vs Evil thing pretty much straight; while good people can come from the Isle and bad people can come from Auradon, the point was never made that those who did bad things to save themselves from poverty that was deliberately forced upon them by the "good" and wealthy characters were justified in being angry. They didn't even really say that the ones who had made the Isle were wrong to have done so; the heroes undid it in the end, but they never went so far as to say that Beast was wrong in the first place. So we end up with a Beast and Fairy Godmother who force families into poverty and then act disdainfully toward them for acting like the environment they were put in, and the narrative never paints this as something they should be held accountable for. They're the authority figures, and they're allowed to be as messed up as they want.
@@awsomedude23456 True. Children are not responsible for their parents decisions
Also, the Beast creating the Isle comes off as very hypocritical because the sole reason he became a beat in the original movie was that he was selfish and arrogant. He was a villain for the entire first portion of his movie.
theres a scene in the 2nd or 3rd movie where they go back to the isle and one of the characters almost gets her wallet stolen by some little kids, and she yells at them but looks at them for a second and ends up letting them have it. do you think it was helpful in terms of balancing how each place/group of people was seen (shows that not everyone on the isle is evil for the sake of it) or do you think it was like a bit of a pity scene/detrimental to that dynamic? i hated the last movie but im not sure how i feel about the idea of bringing kids from the isle to auradon
@@poopoo8475 Yes, that was in the second one. I think it's good that they acknowledged that what, in Auradon, is considered criminal behavior is just a means of survival on the Isle; a kid who's starving becoming a pickpocket isn't some recreational thing; they're stealing because they're starving. I think it's definitely good for Evie's character to learn that she can spread her good fortune to others and for that to become a major aspect of her character moving forward; it makes Evie one of my favorites. But I think they failed to bring that idea fully to fruition. They didn't have it in them to say with their whole chest that the children do not deserve to live in poverty and should be allowed better living conditions by default, so the fact that the powers-that-be have let this happen and have no reservations about continuing to let it happen isn't treated as them being wrong; if anything, they're just cautious and stuck in their ways, but not treated as morally wrong. (Beast and Fairy Godmother never have to reckon with what their actions have done to the VKs.) Likewise, Mal deciding that one close call is reason enough to let all the villain kids languish on the Isle forever, despite having promised to free them, isn't really confronted. The film is more comfortable taking Mal to task for lying than for the thing she lied about; though Evie briefly was allowed to get angry on behalf of the villain kids, once Mal saves the day in a completely unrelated battle, all of a sudden everyone is convinced that Mal is just doing her best and there's no need to solve the VK problem at all. So, that was a long answer, but basically, I love the inclusion of the scene with the young pickpockets, but I'm sad that the series seemed so scared to do much more with the idea it posited.
(Making Audrey the villain of D3 was also a misstep, imo, because it has nothing thematically to do with the VK thing; she's prejudiced against VK's, but her main thing isn't that she cares whether more VK's come to Auradon; she'd just mad that Mal spelled Ben and sabotaged their relationship. Not to mention she wasn't in the second movie, so the last time the audience saw her, she seemed perfectly fine with VK's and showed no resentment toward any of them. But I go into that on my channel; that's a whole separate thing, lol.)
@@TheAmityElf i agree!!!! i was pretty young when i first started watching but i hated mal for abandoning the isle like that and everyone just being okay with it. it wouldve been one (terrible) thing if she moved to auradon and just stayed there without paying them any thought but the fact that she promised that she would save them from that crippling poverty and THEN went on to leave them behind just sucks. i dont like the way they handled alot of things (including the htings you mentioned) but i honestly rly liked umas character. she just wanted the best for those kids and she was trying to make it happen the only way she knew how
about the clothing thing: you could even dress expensive clothes being poor (like thrifted stuff or gifts or whatever, especially having higher income friends), but at least most of them would look... used. like if you're wearing a designer dress that you found at a very low price in a thrift shop, it would most likely not look new at all because people don't just sell their used designer clothes for $20 if they look brand new????
I can speak from personal experience that there is at least one person in my town who donates perfectly good designer clothes and purses to the goodwill I work at, like I think this person buys clothes just to donate them never wears them
But they get sold online for $$$$ not put out on the sales floor for $$
From what I remember, Chester didn’t get fairly odd parents because he had a nice dad. But really that’s just freakin bull crap. CHESTER DESERVED BETTER.
Its worse, he gets them in one episode and soehow his dad is not nice when he is rich? An chester is better of in a traler,thats ....
@@marocat4749 it wasn't that his dad wasn't nice he was just busy with work. I think chester wished for him to be a pro baseball player?
This set up makes us feel like we really with you!
It’s very weird how people think other people have money just because of consistency maybe
I knewww you was going to say Hannah Montana because I wanted her room so bad
i love your videos!
Johnny Test too where Susan and Mary have their own laboratory in the house.
that electric bill higher than shaggy rogers
@@harriyanna 😂😂😂😂
Don't they get grants from thier college? For research and experiments
@@johnindigo5477 Yeah, they did. But their mom did have a pretty high paying job, so she could probably foot the bill
The way social status is viewed in the media has ALWAYS been interesting. For example, if you look at the TV shows and soap operas from the 80s, they always portrayed characters as wealthy people living a luxurious lifestyle. That's why They Live is such an important movie because it calls out the classist politics of the Reagan era. Classism is still a big issue in our society, and it's crucial to show honest portrayals of the middle class or poor characters without making it insulting. Too many students are living with debt. Many middle-class or impoverished people have to work 2-3 jobs to support their families and pay the rent.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND WATCHING THEY LIVE!!! IT'S TRULY SCARY HOW THE ISSUES THEY TALKED ABOUT STILL AFFECT OUR CAPITALIST AND CONSUMERIST SOCIETY. ALSO, US DID A GREAT JOB AT TACKLING THE CLASS SYSTEM TOO!
I'm intrigued!
I watched Descendants as a 15 yr old without any prior knowledge of the series I couldn’t understand why all these supposedly kind, caring and justice driven princesses were so comfortable creating essentially a slum and a penal colony, filled with innocent children who were born into horrendous conditions.
I remember calling people "hobos" because of Icarly #influence
Lmao same. Didn't even know what it was until much later, just thought it was a gross person.
Its always really hurt my feelings to see poor people portrayed as overly rude, selfish, abusive etc. I grew up poor, most of the people I know grew up poor or lower middle class, and let me tell you the kindest and most giving ones are always the people that gotta survive on instant noodles for half the month. My grandma was the furthest away from abusive you can get but she was strict as hell and never let me get away with being rude.
I think a lot of the "rude, abusive" stereotypes come from families with substance abuse issues, and that's a completely separate issue from being poor. Those families need support more than anyone else yet are continuously shit on everywhere in society, and lumping their issues in with people who just aren't well off creates animosity between the two groups when we should all be working together against the upper class.
I really think it depends on the reasons why people are poor. I know I grew up poor because my mom was married to a huge financial leach until fairly recently (severe drug addict and abuser), but others could just be affected by intergenerational poverty. I think it would be cool if more shows got into this.
the kanker sisters being hated by the characters+the creators of the show is so funny to me because i remember them being everyones favorites LOOOL
I was today years old when I learned that the late Robin Williams hired homeless people for all of his productions. If I ever become rich and famous, I would want to use some of my money to help the poor and homeless. I don't want the years of watching their bad portrayals over the years to affect my judgement anymore! ✊
As someone who’s family has been on food stamps for as long as I can remember and has been living in hotels for the past year, seeing the way poor people are portrayed sometimes makes me want to cry in frustration. Even when I was young as seven, I could tell when I was the butt of the joke in those shows.
That’s something I think the One Day at a Time remake did very well I mean the family there is not really poor but the show makes a good job telling that the mother struggles financially and she needs the kids to take it easy at how they spend their money
So let me get this straight. Timmy Turner gets Fairy god parents despite the fact that he, apart from having a mean babysitter, is very well off and doesn't really need them. But Chester, who's family has to dig through trash just for food, get's nothing? Butch Hartman has a LOT of explaining to do.
I really vibe with this video. Anytime there's a poor person on a show they're trailer trash, stupid, dirty, and criminals. I haven't heard anyone talk about this so it's cool finally seeing someone acknowledge it and put it in words. Also it was super messed up he didn't get fairies and they took them from him.
3:40 I know the question was about growing up as a poor black kid, but I'll share my food things too. I'm white for reference. We had this giant pasta bowl, and I loved when I saw it come out. We had pasta multiple times a week, and I didn't know that was different than other households. We also had rice and mashed potatoes all the time. Also, I remember other kids parents would have them try fish even if they didn't like it. My Dad barely had enough fish to share if we had it. I didn't realize the other kids parents were buying fish, and we only had fish in the house if my Dad caught some.
Nice to see a video tackle classism in cartoons for once. You can tell a lot about a writer's/show-runner's character based on what passes for humor in their show, and if, to them, it's showing the poor scavenging for food, well...they'd get along great with Elon Musk.
I'm glad you mentioned how Shake It Up is a good example of the "Pottery Barn Poor" trope." I never understood how CeCe Jones would always talk about how poor her family was, but she always wore fashionable clothes and accessories, and that was even before she got the job at Shake It Up Chicago
Yesss!!! I had rice with chili and spaghetti a LOT when I was growing up. Watching shows like Hannah Montana and The Suite Life of Zack and Cody was the escapist media for me and my siblings. Often these shows portray middle class families… but are they really middle class tho 🤔.
I can relate. My mom used to cook a set of meals on Sunday so she and I could eat during the week
Never stop making content Harriyanna, you’re awesome
as a kid i HATED jessie!! Similar to the kids in that show, my parents were always working and weren’t really around either. But I was so bitter and jealous because at least those kids were rich! Like yeah u don’t see ur parents but at least u don’t have to worry about losing your house?? Or worry about ur next meal???
About none of the miraculous kids being poor, Marinette literally has a LOT of money,, rent in Paris is STUPID HIGH and not only does Marinette live in the city centre, aka an area of Paris so expensive only suuuuper rich people can afford to live there, she literally lives right in front of the Seine river and literally right in front of the Norte Dame Cathedral, right in front of it. Its worth noting that her family’s bakery is known in the show as “the best in all Paris”, doing pastries for very important city events and exclusive movie premiers, etc etc… so literally, Marinette is rich and the series has shown this on multiple occasions… And yeah, the rest of the kids also live on the city centre so they’ve all got money
Love the new set and this topic!
Low income kids often have to shop at thrift stores, rewear the same items of clothing numerous times, get hand me downs from siblings and older cousins, and struggle to afford field trips and pricy extracurriculars.
They cannot afford these famous Disney layered new Old Navy outfits each episode.
Also they can’t always afford perfectly toned/highlighted custom colored hair.
this is another reason one of my favorite kids shows is arthur, it shows characters in different situations/classes with equal respect and doesn't make a joke of their situations (except for rightfully talking shit about muffy and her dad because they're jerks lmao)
EDIT: OMG YOU WERE AT AWA?? i haven't been in forever but it's an amazing con and i'm happy you had a good time! the art you bought looks awesome too 😍 jazmine as ochaco is so cute
I remember going weeks at a time without electricity or running water, washing my clothes by hand, and often eating only once a day. I used to think any household with cable tv and/or air conditioning was wealthy.
I'm not in that position anymore, but it's really warped my perception a bit; I struggle with feeling like a glutton if I eat more than two meals a day, and a lot of technology that's been around for ten years still feels new and advanced to me. My ex boyfriend would point out how cheap or low-grade some of the ingredients I cooked with were, and it confused me because it was the best we had, and to me they were just fine.
Mind you I don't feel bad for myself, and I never regret the way I grew up.
That part about kids spending their parents money is true. I was in High school when True Religion jeans were $200 and up. There were kids had like 10 pairs of them.
Once a year (around thanksgiving) my dad makes a whole vat of gumbo and puts in like 5 gallons freezer bags and MANY quart sized bags and just leaves them in the freezer. And throughout the year when they didn’t feel like cooking we’d pull out a page and eat it with rice. I can’t wait to go home this year and get my bags 👀👀
Our bags
I remember watching Chester eating literal garbage with his father and were both actually ENJOYING it, kinda "Yay! Garbage! My favorite!", the show was literally joking about it and saying that people eating from trash actually liked it
Looking back, that was disgusting. Butch Hartman is not funny.
Damn. Never thought there’d be a day where I see Sabrina Carpenter and Chester McBadBat in a thumbnail together
There's an episode of Hey Arnold about a new girl who's in Arnold's classes. She's portrayed as pretty, smart, kind, and quiet. But Arnold's other classmates weaponize the new girl's socioeconomic status before helping her.
I agree so much on how entertainment affects how people treat each other. I live in Mexico and classism sadly still exists so much here.
I'm honestly not poor at all, I'm like middle class and there are a lot of "middle class" characters in kids' shows but I always felt bad bc my life was nothing like theirs. like they would always have an allowance and buy new stuff all the time unless they had like a hundred siblings, and I only have one sister but we still never got an allowance or anything like that. but I never thought it was weird that TV kids had that kinda stuff, I thought I was the weird one for not being like them and that really sucks
ps. I'm not at all complaining about my life, I've always had a comfortable life and went to private schools my whole life (here they aren't as "exclusive" as they seem to be in the US, a lot of middle class people go to private schools), I'm just saying that >as a young child< that always made me feel bad
Are you latina? Because I am too lol the school thing is damn relatable but the reason why ""private"" schools are cheap enough that many middle class and working class families send their children there its because they aren't actually private, they're basically public schools with private management. my school was like that the government mostly paid the school but the teachers were able to manage the school as they pleased.
actual private schools are for the rich kids and theyre insanely expensive.
Losing my dad as a kid really screwed me up cuz grief is grief it’s complex and I felt like others expected my reaction to be bad at first but really quickly snap back to before and there’s been no getting back to before he passed years after. But in media it’s a very special episode not a changed character
Another trope I always found weird was that the nerds, both kids and adults, always get picked on.
Like isn't being smart a good thing, especially if you have good intentions like most of the nerd characters? Why do all of them have impaired vison, thus needing glasses? And why are glasses considered ugly on tv?
Idk it just doesn't make sense.
The glasses thing has an interesting history as a trope because before contact lenses/cheaper glasses a mid with glasses was a kid who couldn’t play contact sports since it was too risky, prior to the internet and other social opportunities for kids (especially boys who wouldn’t have many social non-physical options to occupy their time, as opposed to girls who could still play dolls together or whatever) as a result making friends would be harder for these kids and they’d likely take on less social hobbies (like reading or art) and probably struggle with social hierarchy in schools, especially at t a time when these were more rigid, resulting in an association between kids with glasses, ‘nerdy’ hobbies, book smarts, and being socially undesirable.
In addition it is super common for animators and children’s writers to draw inspiration from media they’re nostalgic for, this is why there were so many hippie jokes in kids media in the 90s/2000s, because hippie jokes were relevant in the 1960s and the people making kids shows for the 90s/2000s were kids in the 60s. Also would have been kids when glasses were a bigger indicator of a kid’s popularity as well
My issue with descendants: *poverty is quirky* ✨
Compare how the rich kids were portrayed and how the villains kids were portrayed, they're edgy, cunning, they wore that Monster High like fashion, they're rebels and they break rules for fun because they're edgy and all that.
I remember 2008 and parroting some joke from fairly oddparents at my dad that implied his job was the reason we were financially struggling and I found out really recently that it stuck with him since then. This vid really helped me dissect that feeling better
Thank you!
I always found it weird when a character complains that they're poor when they live in a large two-story house.
Like I grew up poor most of my life and at best I lived in a small mobile home. :/ I envied people who actually lived in two-story houses.
A relatively poor person can afford a pretty big house if they live in say rural Ohio and don't mind like water damage, occasionallate night visitors who bought meth from the previous owners, and possibly the ghosts of dead Victorian children, what I find odd is when they live in suburban California in a mcmansion or mid century modern thats either a new build or has been maintained in perfect condition since no earlier than the 1950s.
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 Yeah, I suppose it depends on where you live. I was shocked to see how inexpensive housing is in certain states.
I used to live in California and housing costs are insanely high. I think the average cost of a 2 story house is like $500,000? Hell even a lot of one stories tend to be above $200,000-300,000. 🥴
@@galaxieflora1078
Fr, where I live my mom bought a two story house for around 65k and it was the most expensive in the neighborhood. Tbf though, it’s over 100 years old, slowly crumbling, and in a slightly questionable neighborhood. But seriously, midwestern US house prices are really cheap compared to Cali, I think that’s why I’ve seen a bunch of license plates from there up here.
It was either large pots of spaghetti, chili (with rice), or salad. Big things were saved for holidays, for example ackee, saltfish, breadfruit etc.
Yes! My mom would make chili, spaghetti or Shepard's pie that was dinner for the week. Or snack. Or lunch. Or breakfast lolol
Mom's spaghetti is life. I'd eat spaghetti every day 😩
people only like to portray poor people when they can glamorize it or make it "cute" poor. if the character is actually poor, they're portrayed as unhygienic weirdos :/
aside from the fact all the kids in miraculous live close to the eiffel tower, the fact that they all go to the same school as both chloe and adrien shows how rich they are. you really think chloe or adriens uptight, rich parents would let them go to any old public school?
Grown-ish feels like the living embodiment of pottery barn. Not all the characters are supposed to be well off, but even the ones who are allegedly having money troubles have the sickest threads and decor I've ever seen.
I can't watch rn cause I'm heading into work but thank you thank you THANK YOU for covering this topic 😩🙌💕
The real war on poverty is against those not helping others get outta poverty. Hollywood and the media in general are a key factor to blame for this shit.
Thanks again for telling it like it is, Harri. Take care and keep on kicking ass!
Maya had it good compared to most. My father left when I was a kid, too. But my mom and I still got by.
I resent him for leaving, and it was a struggle, but my mom and I got through it together.
The braids ARE giving very much luka💙💅🏾
I would love to see Your reaction to h2o just add water and to the dynamic between the 3 main characters who were all from different social backgrounds :)
I am gonna go off on a bit of a tangent by one of the shows you mentioned... As told by ginger... Whhhhy did they do a black girl bully?!? Honestly i kinda think they lowkey contributed to the "angry black girl/woman" trope!
Loved the part about clothing on "poor" characters being expensive/luxury. It would be so dope for less wealthy characters to dress accordingly, better representation for kids who grew up not having a lot and also a good challenge for the stylists! A good stylist doesn't need expensive items to make a great fit.
I grew up comfortably middle class.... This stuff never occurred to me as a kid, huh! Honestly we need to be more mindful of this.
I think the reason why Maya was wearing that piece was because of how Shawn kept buying her clothes.
yeah that’s what i thought too
Also because the example Harri was using that picture of Maya was actually a behind the scenes episode of GMW it wasn’t canon to the series. It was the actors talking about the show with bloopers, q&a, etc.
I read somewhere that the kanker sisters are based on a group of girls that danny antonucci (the creator of ed edd n eddy) went to high school with.
Interesting
I always kinda thought all the kids in Ed, Edd n Eddy were poor to an extent, I mean in one episode they all fought each other over a quarter LMFAO
From a ratings perspective, no one wants to watch someone in shabby, cheap clothing. People like to watch attractive people in nice clothing. These networks have to consider ratings if they want to stay on the air.
I really like the portrayal of Keith from Voltron. It's obvious he wasn't doing that good financially as he was an orphan and lived in a shack but nobody judged him, Allura wasn't the typical rich girl or a helpless princess as well. Like damn, the show had potential.
I remember seeing Chester on TV and asking my dad if it’s bad that we live in a trailer park (we lived in a trailer until I was 6 or 7)
Pop do I come to the sound of the bell. But really I look forward to a discussion on this topic. Cause it can't be like a coincidence that most kids shows have two best friends and one is rich and other is poor with family issues.
NOT me and harriyanna both having braids with beads rn😭😭
Lmao yeah the spaghetti/chili/stew beat. Struggle meal delicacies.
Also the way the show tries too hard to say that Marinette is somehow poor just pisses me off.
Astruc did even try to know what poor people really are?
And the way not only Astruc,but other artists from different shows and movies portray my country in this stereotiped way to say Brazil os ALL about poverty,soccer,jungles, etc wreck my nerves.
They never show other states,they only show São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro as they are the whole country,and even make them look worse than they are.
The issue is that while Brazil is not a poor country,It is a country that is overexplored by North America and Europe in general.
And yes,have poverty and a lot a social problems,but the government does nothing because they don't care about these people.
WOW. Did not know the show did Brazil that dirty. :(
@@spencerpetunia8268 That´s okay,sweetie.
You didn´t knew it.
But yeah, they do this A LOT, even in Transilvania 3 they did it.
Her family is certainly not poot, she gets a vesper, her family owns a bakery in a high class area in paris. Her family is certainly not poor. She probably has just parents who want to kep her grounded and not high of herself, but they are not poor at all.
Honestly if Chloe Bourgeois thinks Marinette is poor, she needs to go and check out Southeast London 😂😂
I always wondered how clueless she is because the Dupain-Cheng family are bakers and are living decent since Marinette doesn’t go hungry.
Even better, its probably a high class expensive bakery given where they live. That cant be cheap rent, in the middle of paris in that area.
My parents and grandmother cook for a lot many times. They're Bajan people (from Barbados). If they do on Sundays, it would last at least a few days at a time. They still do that now from time to time.
I grew up in bankruptcy and only just recently got out of it. The house i lived in was better than most. with the fact i had my own room and it was 2 story. But we got the house before the bankruptcy really took place. But even then my family was never the most well off the house was just in a really small city so it was very cheap. Once banrupcy took full hold we barley got a lot of food and we couldn't afford school lunch so we had to pack our lunch or get the free lunch. It was rare for me to even afford the 25 cent icecream the school had. But the worst part is that things in our house kept breaking but we could never fix them so over time things in the house just got worse and worse until eventually we all just sort of gave up on the house. There was mold, roaches, holes in the walls of almost every room, cat and dog pee stains everywhere, leaking pipes, no ventilation at all and i could go on. Point is that for a long while that house was just not healthy to live in, but we still couldn't do anything because we couldn't buy even the smallest of supplies to fix things. To make things worse the house hold went through a divorce.
Basically i wish shows would stop treating people who struggle with money so poorly (pun intended) and actually see sothe struggles we can go through and just how terrible it can actually be .
A show I think worked well with classism was Hey Arnold! It really showed the struggles between characters in various ways with both rich and poor alike
when I rewatched scarily this year I could not believe how many hobo jokes there were. it was crazy.
@harriyanna hook i can think of another show that was quite classist. It's an adult cartoon called The Oblongs which aired on WB and on syndications for Adult Swim. They were very stereotypical with how they portrayed both rich and poor people: The Hills (wealthy) lived in clean, fresh, safe environments and are seen as arrogant, rude, and condescending and The Valley (poor) are portrayed lived in a toxic waste dump filled with poisonous radiation which causes deformations and disabilities and they're portrayed as scums of the earth to The Hills. Also, would you describe LaCienega from The Proud Family as an example of both racism and classism?
@@awsomedude23456 from what I watched from hook's video lacienega boulevard is a self-loathing narcissist, Harriyanna stated that Lacienega would make snide comments towards Penny and black people and that she gets her attitude from her grandfather Papi who's extremely racist towards Suga Mama.
@@awsomedude23456 Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying that Antonio. It's just interesting that, as an adult, you pick up something new from all of these shows. On Thursday, my job coach and I watched Mary J Blige's documentary and how it reflects on me learning self advocacy and being a brave, strong individual. It's was a very good documentary because it addresses what it means to be successful in the real world, regardless of racism, colorism, classism, sexism, and stereotyping. I just wish children's shows (or people who work behind the scenes) would have an open mind about how life works.
@@awsomedude23456 OMG, I agree! Papi is not racist. How would you feel if a woman is obsessed over you and won’t leave you the fuck alone? That has nothing to do with race. So the other person has to tell me how Papi is racist. I do like Suga Mama and the rest of Penny’s family but if someone doesn’t like you back, just stop bothering them? The That’s So Raven episode about racism, now that was actually addressing racism. I don’t think LaCienega was racist, either. Just jealous of Penny and trying to out do her, like trying to kick her out of the cheerleading squad. She was originally Dijonay’s friend and Dijonay is darker than Penny. Penny had shitty friends in general and someone made a video about it. I’m pretty sure people were homophobic towards Michael, the guy who’s the coach’s son because the coach doesn’t want to be seen with him and there’s the episode where people called him a “sissy”. I heard there’s going to be a reboot of Proud Family too. I don’t like LaCienega, but I like how there’s a representation of an upper-middle class Latino family like my family is. I feel like if you took the bitchiness out of LaCienega, that would be me because I lived with a Spanish only speaking grandparents and my mom and she looks like me as if I were a cartoon.
Same, we did rice and chili. In the cold months we had vegetable soup from the crockpot
Vegetable soup hit so hard. Especially with grilled cheese
@@lovelysartstudio8299 I told my girlfriend yesterday that growing up I ate my vegetable soup with cheesy toast 🤝
@@taylorvaden5675 superior meal👌
Fine cuisine
Not black but to this day my mom makes a massive pot of spaghetti that we eat for a few days and then she turns that spaghetti into chili that we eat for a few days. We don't eat the chili with rice but we do bulk it out with cornbread or crackers or corn chips.
I thought they handled the character of Lila in Hey Arnold being poor quite well.
Good fucking video, and on top of all this, there's also the way dialect works as a class indicator. I've never been poor and my relationship to material conditions is complex, but the way classism has affected my life through linguistic supremacy has been very deep.
Among the other terrible things I’ve hears about Dan, basically they thought they wouldn’t get called out about how Sam is betrayed because she’s white. She has most of the traits that’d probably get called out as racist if applied to a black woman but because she’s poor and most people didn’t call out classism at the time they thought they’d get off scott free. Line if you’re black they apply these stero types regardless of class.
Looking back at the Fairly Odd Parents, the classism was so heavy. They always made fun of Chester and treated it like a joke, when it's really sad. They had him eating out of garbage cans, and no one batted an eyelash...
I love your inflection in mentioning Dexter's family bills must've been high 🤣
This is such an interesting video, too!
That blue is perfecttt
The one thing that really annoyed me is the mean rich kid who has bad parents trope cuz why are there so many rich kids who have bad/mean parents? Why can't there be a nice humble rich man or women who has a bratty kid and they try to teach their kid not to be a arrogant brat?