The age of Michael Vick | The History of the Atlanta Falcons, Part 5
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Few athletes have ever inspired a city like Michael Vick inspired Atlanta. Vick was a transformational athlete who forever changed how we think about the quarterback position, an apparent superhero who did things that, even years and years later, still seem impossible. His time in Atlanta met a heartbreaking, devastating end. But in the aftermath, against all odds, the Falcons somehow found a way to make us laugh.
This is part five of a seven-part series.
Written and hosted by Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein
Directed by Jon Bois
Produced by Alex Rubenstein
Additional contributions by Joe Ali and Kofie Yeboah
Rights specialist Lindley Sico
Secret Base executive producer Will Buikema
Secret Base managing editor Ryan Nanni
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"Now who's your 22nd favorite quarterback? You're absolutely right it's Derek Carr!"
How did he know?
As soon as David left that spot open in my heart, Derek was there to swoop in and take it.
I actually liked David Carr. He just didn't have an offensive line. He got killed every play
English isnt my first language, I thought he said something like the favorite QB for 22 seconds only lol
They didn't have to do him like that man. Even though its true xD
"This is not a missed tackle, this is not a bad tackle. There is just simply not enough Jay Bellamy."
Jon can't miss lol.
I loved that one
how i feel as a skinny receiver whenever i have to tackle lol
this is why wrapping up is all that matters
This channel is amazing. I am completely deaf. I have bi-later cochlear implants. With that being said, I am able to listen this video, bluetooth wise, and having access to this audio DIRECTLY in my cochlea. The presentation, the editing and even the choice of music you guys use, incredible work.
That sounds insane to have. Like a Bluetooth headset inside of your head to counter deafness? That's fucking awesome
@@jeffgordonfan2462 the dude got nanomachine from MGS
@@ThompsonExpress NANOMACHINES, SON!
Science is incredible. I'm glad you're able to enjoy with us!
that is friggin cool, mate
I know nothing about American football, so I was loving everything about Vick the entire time, and my jaw literally dropped when you said what he had done. It’s so strange how fast I started idolising him, I’ve never even seen an American Football game before
Jon bois documentaries are so good at making you respect a lot of players, like the mariners videos would have you believe Griffey Jr and Ichiro are some of the best players ever, or the entirety of the Dave stieb series
@@youknowwhaaat329 I mean, to be fair, Griffey and Ichiro are definitely some of the best players ever
@@DuckDoolittle hell yeah they are 💪
Yeah, he was a monster. He's really tried to scrub his image, but in the end, he only ever felt sorry that he got caught and punished. It's the Pete Rose effect, he was a legendary baseball player who decided to start gambling on baseball games, and is still trying to find a way to be allowed into the Hall of Fame.
@@jfridyhow do you know?
33:22 This punt has a Surrender index of 1.20, in case anyone was wondering.
Ah yes, the saddest punt doc
"Who's your 22nd favorite quarterback? That's right it's Derek Carr" already out swinging and that was a home run
Touchdown! Home run! GOOOOOAAAAALLL!!!
21:14 "I mean, this is jiu-jitsu. Somewhere, I hope, Hélio Gracie is smiling."
nice Fighting in the Age of Loneliness callback
but we all know helio would have pulled guard against kgb
i was like hey! i know who that is !
Yes this ,so much.
Exactly
I've been waiting all day for this!
Holy crap, this is almost an hour. Jon and Alex blessing us once again on a Tuesday
26:18 “Being a co-founder of Home Depot, he was surely naturally drawn to a gigantic, drafty building with a tall ceiling and bad lighting that smelled kinda weird.”
Jon’s talent at being both a fantastically engaging storyteller and a REALLY funny guy never ceases to amaze me.
he's definitely a fun gi
That Jim mora interview killed me, I’ve never seen someone shit the bed that badly before
Amber heard: "hold my beer"
Someone switched his ammonia with poppers I guess
"The terrifying lows, the dizzying highs, the creamy middles!"
Homer Simpson describes the Atlanta Falcons
Homer was at that super bowl. He didn’t get to watch the game but he was there.
@@AleisterMeowley "I hear that President..... Clinton.... is gonna be watching with his wife..... Hilary."
Just want Jon to know I’m loving this series as a nonNFL fan, and know I’m going to be rewatching over and over again after today, for a LONG time
thanks for letting me know😄
I wish I didn't actually know how these ended. So jelly
It’s like watching the Mariners series as a nonBaseball fan
21:16 the mma documentary call back made me smile☺️
Oh man, if you truly don’t know what happens the next two parts…brace yourself. The ending is going to be pretty wild
Idk man. I think calling it dogfighting sorta short sells it. Like I don’t think it makes Vick unforgivable. But this wasn’t just he was having dogs fight a little bit, he was torturing and murdering them in horrific gruesome ways.
Vick does seem to genuinely have changed. And was punished for it. And has made amends. But it was horrific shit.
he got 18 months for something that usual gives probation to 3 months...it was never as serious as they made it back then
@@highlightminicastle it should be taken even more serious
@@countof3everybodyOD dog fighting is obviously immoral but we live in a society where police can kill people at will so sorry if I don’t feel like this man is a menace to society
@@damnedforyoursins6995 can they?
Really?
Ugh
I mean, you can't really think its that bad if you are a meat eater lol. I regularly eat meat, which means that I'm okay with murdering animals just because I think they are tasty.
While I accept that Vick has paid his debt and he's clearly a changed man due to it, but it never sat right with me that people tried to justify his actions by claiming it was a product of his upbringing. This wasn't some small pit bull fight in his basement. Dude was running a farm of over 70 dogs all of whom had to fight over and over again until they died. That goes beyond a bad upbringing. The sheer industrial scale of the operation was crazy and showed an indifference to the animals that borders on insane.
I would say it's more than indifference. Vick was personally involved in shooting, hanging, and electrocuting dogs, and even killing them by slamming them into the ground. Not to mention the lifetime of torture these dogs endure to become fighting dogs. If 70+ dogs were seized, how many dogs suffered at his hands over his life? Hundreds? His participation and money would surely encourage others to abuse more animals as well to participate. If he is truly remorseful and trying to make right after serving his time then he may deserve forgiveness. But what he did wasn't a 'mistake' like some people say, it was a sick and twisted pattern of behavior that continued for years.
If it was all down to his upbringing, it's interesting to note that his cousin Aaron Brooks who lived around the block never got involved...
Critiquing America's carcereal system and saying that he paid his debt to society is one thing and I largely agree with those things. But the suggestion that this was just a natural outcome of his upbringing or a mistake he didn't realize he was making borders on absolving him of his cruelty and that's just a bridge too far for me.
People are allowed to forgive Vick. However, they must also accept that other people (like me) will always consider him to be a reprehensible human being, and will therefore not forgive him, nor do they have to.
At the end of the day, most the people criticizing Vick have no problem eating some chicken or a big fat steak. Those animals are arguably treated just as poorly. Watch some video of life on a slaughterhouse floor, or in an industrial chicken farm.
So you're telling me the Falcons indirectly led to Saban going to Miami, which led to Miami choosing Culpepper over Brees... this shit gets better and better.
Congratulations, you doomed a Saban/Brees dynasty and instead left the AFC East wide tf open for Saban’s mentor and a scrappy sixth round signal caller. Ominous
Miami didn't choose Culpepper over Brees, Brees chose New Orleans over Miami. Culpepper was always the plan B
@@HipsterShiningArmor Uhhh no. Brees went to the Chargers, even had a great season there but a shoulder injury in his last year of his rookie contract made the Chargers pass on giving him a long term contract in favor of Rivers. Brees then signed with the Saints.
@@yunofun yes I know, I'm talking about in the 2006 free agency period. the Dolphins would've preferred Brees over Culpepper but Brees picked the Saints. Culpepper was the Plan B
Alge Crumpler was a monster back in the early/mid 2000’s, it’s a shame he’ll be forgotten by NFL fans as the years go by.
Not by Falcons fans. He was the only decent playmaker we had catching the ball outside of Brian Finneran for a good while.
I think of Alge Crumpler every time I roll a sheet of nori into a little ball
I just remember him getting laid out by Dawkins 💥
ill always remember him getting leveled by brian dawkins in that playoff game against philly. but in all seriousness great player
He will not be forgotten in Philly I can assure you that
“ No one will ever be as dominant on the virtual football field as the red number 7.”
Tecmo Bo Jackson “Hold my beer…”
I remember we used to make a rule playing Madden for a couple years that you couldn't pick the Falcons because of Vick. They fixed it some later with the passing vision cone and making it so that every QB wasn't hyper accurate, but for a couple years he was basically unstoppable.
@@logicaldude3611 it was 05 when they added all the defensive audibles to slow Vick down. In 05 you could make defensive ends and lbs spy or qb contain.
06 they added the qb vision, but the way around that was to hold R2 and select the wr you wanted to throw to. The vision cone would auto lock on the wr you want
Oh, great line, I like that!
It wasn't even discussed when we played in high school, no one could play as the Raiders, wasn't even an issue.
WILL ever be.
Future tense.
Bo Jackson in Tecmo was before Vick.
Nice try though.
@@B3Band you're missing the point, he's saying that tecmo bowl Bo Jackson was more dominant than madden 04 vick
I bet that whenever someone says the words "Bobby Petrino", Mike Zimmer does that Sideshow Bob grumble
Along with every Louisville fan ever.
@@chadowen4766 speaking as a louisville fan you're absolutely correct.
Everything I know about this sport, I learned from RUclips videos and even I know I can trust Bobby Petrino about as far as I can throw him one handed.
"Body mass index isn't all that useful for a lot of things, but it does help us appreciate how magestically large this man is" - Jon Bois
i cant belive that this is something that gets multiple episodes a week
every other channel would milk this w/ monthly or bi weekly releases, but you guys are committed to strike the iron while its hot
thanks so much for the frequent releases, they have become highlights of my chaotic weekdays
One of my favorite parts of this series has been hearing the names of guys I’d forgotten over the years
Brooking, Crumpler, Duckett- it’s been a wonderful trip, thanks guys
I remember seeing the Falcons fans with the DVD signs in the crowd. Good times.
Craig "Iron Head" Heyward is my favorite. 5'11" 260 lb RB? Yes Please!
The real force in Atlanta.
Tj duckett!!!
Patrick Kerney
To quote urinatingtree “Only a brick wall can stop you, it’s name is the eagles.”
Damn eagles
They even took Vick from Atlanta after he left prison
Jon Bois is the GOAT of sports content as a whole.
Hard fucking agree
Might just be the GOAT of… content in general
@@Nick_J_ your probably correct
Shout out to Alex and Secret Base team too, they kill it as well
@@lokew1254 definitely, there is so much effort from all sides in this video and in the series as a whole
Love that just like the Mariners, for the Falcons there is a perfect pivot point in the year 2001 from the unrealized potential of the late '90s to riding the wave of a genetic freak who defies all attempts at measurement
"Its an inexcusable act"
Where's the but
"But"
The upbringing doesn't excuse it. Its not hard to distinguish between right and something SO wrong. There's enough people in the world to where I don't need to waste my time on forgiveness
leave the judgment to god
You a non vegetarian? Cause of you are...you know you eat animals for your own friggin taste...what Vick did was wrong but don't be such a hypocrite... Animals literally die for your nourishment and taste.
This video was great until the point where they try to play cover for Vick after his dog killing incident. "Oh dogfighting was big in his hometown, so it's cool he fought and killed dogs with no remorse.
Be better Dorktown, especially Joe Ali, dude is the worst.
Yeah, it's sad how fans cannot stay objective about things of their fandom. They completely undersold it, and also oversold how good Vick was in the NFL
“Like he was the worlds worst elder scrolls player”
Listen Jon I’m a lore whore ok don’t kink shame me
That 2001 draft class was stacked as hell, which makes what Vick went on to do even more impressive.
The Chargers missed Vick, sure, but the pick they got from the Falcons became LaDainian Tomlinson, so no big deal. Other major talents in the Class of 2001 include: Richard Seymour, Santana Moss, Deuce McAllister, Reggie Wayne, Drew Brees, Algae Crumpler, Chad Ochocinco, Travis Henry, Steve Smith (Panthers), and T. J. Houshmandzadeh. That's not even a comprehensive list.
Yah. Vick was top of THAT class.
Yep, I think you have to give the Chargers credit for that one. They got LT and Brees out of the deal. Long term, I think they wouldn't change that.
@@chadowen4766 Only if A.J. Smith stayed patient with Brees after injuring his shoulder, and not enforcing his draft pick Phillip Rivers. Plus, always butting heads with Marty Schottenheimer. It's still one of the biggest "what if" stories in NFL History.
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582 I think LT alone makes that trade at least even.
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582
I dunno man, the problems with the best Chargers teams of the last twenty years haven’t been the QB, so keeping Brees instead of Rivers (himself a HoF QB, if not as great as Brees) probably has minimum impact
The real problem with the Brees-Rivers succession is not getting enough for Brees in trade when they could have, imo
I think Wayne, Moss, and Smith had WAY better careers.
When the Falcons drafted TJ Duckett in 2002 over Ashley Lelie (which turned out to be the right move, as Lelie was not good), the man who helped make the pick was Les Snead. He received a phone call from his wife after the pick was made saying that the pick was terrible, and that the Falcons didn't need a running back. When your own wife is criticizing your pick selection, that's when you know
Ashley Lelie's 8 reception, 262-yard and 2 TD performance against and undefeated BYU in 2001 is burned into my brain. Kinda surprising he didn't work out at all in the NFL.
Lelie was good receiver not great
Lelie was every bit as perfectly fine in the NFL as Duckett was.
@@blakelip3 I agree, Lelie did some things in the NFL (led the league in yards per reception in back-to-back years, including a 1,000-yard season), he just wasn't a star or played a long time.
The Falcons later traded Duckett for Lelie and Lelie sucked in Atlanta. Lelie went in the paper and complained he felt like the 10th receiver. Well, why don’t you get open Ashley!?
About Petrino the Clown, three thoughts:
1)Why didn't you put Zimmer's comments on the topic?
2)Lamar Jackson wasn't an "unbelievable failure of karma doing its job", but rather karma getting Petrino higher and higher, so his downfall would be all the more disgracingly hurtful and exquisitely hilarious. After all, we got to have that image of his firing during his TV show!
3)I absolutely believe he wouldn't get the Grimaldi/Pagliacci joke, and actually say "Let's go and see him!!"
"He chucks a souvenir all the way up into the second deck that is worth more than a second-deck ticket just by virtue of him touching it.
... But these are Saints fans. Get that shit outta here!"
not including Mike Zimmers comment on Petrino quitting is criminal.
From NBC Sports:
Let’s just say Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer doesn’t look back fondly on his days coaching under Bobby Petrino in Atlanta.
“He’s a gutless bastard. Quote that. I
don’t give a s-,” Zimmer said Wednesday, according to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer.
When Zimmer was told that responsible news organization may not be able to use “bastard,” Zimmer responded:
“How about this, gutless MF. You can use that.”
nice
@@wlee9888 Living in Minnesota, Zimmer speaks his mind and doesn't care what anyone thinks. Petrino left Atlanta like a coward and deserved all the heat he got.
It was in their The Worst episode about him. That’s probably why it wasn’t included.
I like the whole documentary. But I don't like the part about Micheal Vicks dogfighting ring around 47:46. Full disclaimer: I think he paid his debt in prison, which many NFL players didn't do for their wrong doings. So I think it was alright that he came back. He also tried in later years to make it up.
But the whole part sounds like a huge apology to why the authors like Micheal Vick. He did a horrible crime in torturing those dogs. Yes, other peole did heinous crimes, too. Many even way worse. But that doesn't make it right. That's whataboutism. Also his upbringing shouldn't be a apology. Something something about jumping from a bridge.
Just my two cents.
It's okay to forgive Mike Vick, because he went to jail. Jail is some of the worse shit you can go though. It would be like if you got locked in a cage, beaten, and forced to fight starved dogs. His PR manager has done some really incredible things to make up for Vick's actions.
No, it's my duty as a decent person to hate despicable people. Sorry.
I think it's just an equal reflection on the celebrity nature of NFL football. Football players are celebrated for their accomplishments, more than deserved compared to the US military. They also are condemned for their crimes, more than deserved compared to the US military. You're right to think of this as whataboutism, but as I recall at the time, the media pounced on Vick, going way farther to attack his character and anyone who supported him than was ever warranted. I don't think the writers want to accuse us of hypocrisy as much as provide a balance of perspective.
"Arthur Blank had come to Atlanta by way of the Daily Bugle..." I rewound the video 3 times in disbelief. How you delivered that deadpan is beyond me 👏
missed the mark on vick re dogfighting...other people are worse and he went to jail so it's all ok? lol
Misdirected hate. Plus, he says that you don't need to forgive him. I don't want to start a debate, I just want to clear the air
Just saying, once you drown or electrocute a dog to death, you're a monster. You're never not a monster again, you're a monster acting like you're not a monster.
Yeah it's pretty astonishing
I've never seen a Superbowl, hell I've never even intentionally sat through a full game, and yet every two days for the last two weeks I've shown up to listen to Jon Bois tell me about a team I've never heard of. This is the unadulterated power of a good sports commentator, he takes the mess of complexity and years of history and makes it accessable, a decidedly human story that any person could follow. I don't know shit about football, but goddamn do I love the Atlanta Falcons
And the Birds love you back😘
Welcome to the world of football. You will both always and never want to leave
Don't do it. If this series has taught you anything let it be that the Atlanta Falcons will always break your heart just for them to somehow pull you back in.
@@jakepar24 everyone wants someone they can fix... I can make them better
@@jakepar24 if you're looking for a winner? Then yea I agree. But if you're looking for a perpetually interesting team?
Atlanta Falcons, actually not a bad choice
Kind of interesting that episode 5 of the Mariners series was on Ichiro and episode 5 of the falcons is on Vick
The 2000s was a weird decade for bad teams in American sports. Some, like the Patriots & Seahawks, tasted real success and managed to hold onto it in the 2010s. Some, like the Falcons, got to hire Boddy Petrino
@@Jaxck77 that’s a very Jon Bois type quote.
@@Jaxck77 found bois' burner account
@@Jaxck77 The Seahawks are still not a successful team and never will
i won’t make the joke
How did you know that Derek Carr was my 22nd favorite active qb??? Absolute psychic.
24:45 “Only a brick wall could stop you. Its name is the Eagles.” -UrinatingTree
33:10 "Only a brick wall could stop you. It's name is the Eagles." Urinatingtree
At least they beat that fucking Farve guy.
*I came here to say this, but knew in my heart it had already been said*
If Jon and Alex collabed with UTree, I would squeal.
Only a brick wall can stop the Eagles, it’s name is the Saints. -2006, 2013, 2018.
I’m generally liking the series, but I can’t get down with the Vick victimization talk. He was quite literally hanging and electrocuting dogs that either wouldn’t break or couldn’t fight. He wasn’t forced into doing anything. He actively chose to torture dogs, and that’s next to the actual fighting. All that doesn’t mean he wasn’t important to Atlanta, but I sure don’t have to think that he deserved a second chance in the league.
Exactly. It was weird to hear Joe trying to paint Vick as the victim here.
@@Selassadi He didn't do that. He painted him as a person who paid their dues and showed remorse and tried to fix what they'd done.
What do you want for him? Death?
@@chazdomingo475 I don’t want Jon to treat what he did as perfectly fine because billionaire do worse.
@@chazdomingo475 Nowhere in my above post did I indicate that I wanted him to die. Stop it. He paid his dues and for sure should be forgiven. Objectively speaking Joe was painting him as the victim if you go back and re listen he said “understand where he was coming from” and “he’d been around it his whole life” those are both statements you make when you want to excuse what someone did.
“They turn around and cancel their subsequent interview with...”
*SHOWS NICK SABAN’S NAME
Okay that one was actually a smart decision, after 2006 with the Dolphins it was clearly proven his coaching style was NOT for the NFL level!
The Vick Experience was like if Linsaniy lasted for years, rather than just 2 months. Then, after 5 years, Jeremy Lin gets arrested for cooking and dealing meth.
I mean it's not EXACTLY like that but I get it
Not even close... delete this ASAP!
Lin can never compare to Vick boy
Vick is an icon and paved the way for qbs like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Kaepernick, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, etc. Don’t ever compare him to that overrated hype job
"you're right it's Derek Carr." lmao
Why did some folks think Michael Vick a monster? That's what happens when someone does something monstrous. The fact others have gotten away with worse doesn't make what Vick did less awful.
It just seems disproportionate is all. Why does Vick have to live with that label, but other men, who haven't paid as much don't?
@@harrisondantes8270 Like who?
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Pretty much every elected official in this country for starters. How many civilians have been killed by our government since the end of WWII? 20 million? 50 million? And they ALL get a free pass.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Ray Lewis killed people and is very remorseless about it. But cause all he talks about is God and Larps as a pastor everyone seems to ignore it
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Henry Kissinger. Not looking forward to all the glowing obituaries when he finally kicks the bucket.
I know what I ask is completely improbable; but I desperately need this kind of in-depth documentary style video for each of the other 31 NFL teams. Your greatest series ever SecretBase. I clamor for more!
The Cleveland Browns, a history of pain, a 7 part series.
@@jfridy they might need more than 7 parts to cover that hurt locker....
@@jfridyIn the pre-Super Bowl era they were so dominant the NFL worried people would get bored of football because the Browns were a shoo-in every time. So if you're willing to go back far enough they'd be good
@@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 I know. I grew up in the 1980s, when they were solid team that fell apart in the 4th quarter of playoff games. My parents remember when they were all powerful.
The pre-Brady/Belichick Patriots. They were the greatest comedy act in the NFL for about 40 years.
My wife doesn't care about football, but she loves this series. Really incredible~
Your wife is a smart lady.
Amen
is ur wife single?
@@fishtacos6171 😂😂😂😂
@@fishtacos6171😂😂😂😂
THIS is the episode we have all been been waiting for….
Ladies and gentlemen, secret base presents to you:
*The Michael Vick Era.*
When this Doc is over Jon and Kofie better take Michael Vick in Madden 04 into the Fumble Dimension!
That’d be a dream episode for them to do, I’d love to see what they can experiment with a video game athlete like that.
It's Time.
This was what we were waiting for but I think the next episode is going to be way better
The Michael Vick era and Falcons/patriots super bowl is why we’re all here
This is the first of the both episodes we've all been waiting for
The Video: "it was clearly time for a fresh start in 2007 to make ancient history of this notion of the head coach bailing for a college job in the middle of the season"
Me, who has watched that episode of The Worst: "Oh no"
This video decided to get really apologetic about what Vick did. Not mentioned:
"It was in 2007 that Vick, himself, took part in the killing of six- to eight underperforming dogs. They were killed “by various methods, including hanging and drowning.”
According to a 2008 U.S. Department of Agriculture report, Vick and his associates placed family pet dogs into a ring to train his pit bulls, causing “major injuries. Vick killed one red pit bulldog by slamming one dog to the ground repeatedly until it died, breaking its back or neck."
he paid his debt, like jon stated. carry on, mate.
It's idle worship, if it was the common man he would be saying the complete opposite. Celebrities are just more forgivable
ITs only idle worship if you switch up your stance because of the person. What vick did was wrong, yet he went to jail for it. A primetime qb in his prime went to jail for a crime. Since hes come out hes done way more than he was expected to when it comes to both changing as a man and doing what he can to limit dog fighting for others moving forward.
Offering a softer perspective is not the same as being apologetic. They never said, or even indicated, that what he did wasn't wrong.
You've mischaracterized this video. They present a forgiving perspective, but not apologetic. And they even made it clear that you don't have to agree with this perspective
"Only a brick wall can stop you. It's name is the Eagles."
I feel like there's a post-script with Michael Vick's story that probably could have been added to this episode, but wasn't because it didn't deal directly with the History of the Atlanta Falcons:
After Vick's prison sentence was completed, he looked around for work a fair amount. He had considered both the Arena Football and the Canadian Football Leagues, until an old playoff rival thought that he could be an asset to his team. That rival was the Philadelphia Eagle's Donovan McNabb, who convinced then-head coach Andy Reid to get a deal done. Initially only on a one year deal, Vick not only proved himself still skilled enough to perform in the NFL, but also resilient, since he would be McNabb and Kevin Kolb's backup quarterback through most of 2009. Vick, wanting to make the best of his second chance, was enthused when the Eagles picked up the option for a second year of his contract.
It's in 2010, though, that made me personally really remember Vick's time with the Eagles. Sitting at a record of 9-4, the Eagles travelled to New Jersey in a Week 15 divisional matchup with the also 9-4 New York Giants. The Eagles performed in a lackluster manner through most of the game to say the least, and by halfway through the 4th quarter, they trailed the Giants by 21 points. By most accounts, this was a game that was a done deal.
Not for Vick though.
Vick did the equivalent of swapping out what would have been in 2010 the modern PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and wiping the dust off of his old PlayStation 2 and original Xbox. He then proceeded to do the equivalent of booting up Madden NFL 2004, and play as himself against the real life New York Giants for the final 7 minutes, 28 seconds of play.
In what has been dubbed as the "Miracle at the New Meadowlands," Vick led the Eagles to score 28 points in not even half of a quarter, with a scramble ability and athleticism that would later remind me of Carson Wentz during the Eagle's 2017 season, which would culminate in the team's first Super Bowl win. Hanging onto that thread of the 2017 Eagles ever so briefly more, during his later time in Philadelphia, Vick would share the quarterback room in 2012 and 2013 with Nick Foles, the Super Bowl 52 MVP, during his first stint in Philly.
The idea that Vick potentially influenced Foles in his early career and his athleticism would be reflected in Wentz, always makes me think positively of Vick as an Eagles fan. I'm glad that the team gave him that second chance after his sentence, and I think that it goes to show just how much a second chance to a repentant man can mean not only to him, but to the community around him.
Say whatever you want about Michael Vick, but he certainly made something of his second chance.
Oh yeah, talk about forgiving Vick for literally electrocuting, hanging, and slamming dogs heads into the ground to kill them. But no, blame his "upbringing" for being a horrible human being decades after he escaped that life. I've been a die-hard Falcons fan my entire life but I'm never forgiving Vick. Absolutely despicable, unforgivable actions. It blows my mind that people act like he did nothing wrong. I love this channel but I lost a lot of respect for trying to make people pity Vick WHILE HE WAS SERVING TIME for his disgusting acts. And really, using politics as a scapegoat for defending Vick? Wtf do they have to do with each other?? Smfh. No way you can read this and still forgive him;
A report by a U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) investigator provided more details on the April 2007 killings, saying that the men hung approximately three dogs “by placing a nylon cord over a 2 X 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed. They also drowned approximately three dogs by putting the dogs’ heads in a five gallon bucket of water.” They killed one dog by “slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog’s back or neck.”
According to a witness, the men fought their trained pit bulls with pet dogs, and they “thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs.” Before fights, dogs would be bathed to remove any poison or narcotic that might have been placed on them to hinder their opponents’ performance. Losing dogs sometimes died in the pit. Gambling purses were frequently in the thousands of dollars.
Dogs who lost fights were sometimes executed:
“In or about March of 2003, PEACE, after consulting with VICK about the losing female pit bull’s condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal.”
That Michael Vick is a horrible person who should never forgive himself, I genuinely believe he's changed and is doing everything he can to right his wrongs.
Thank you. I don't care if you grew up in dogfightville, Virginia. You cant blame your circumstances or environment on your decision slam a dog's face in to a wall until it dies. Stealing pet dogs to have pitbulls rip them apart while laughing and smiling. I genuinely believe people defending Vick don't know the facts of what he did and think he was just loosely involved with dog fighting.
@@RockinRobb01 but we're not obligated to forgive him imo and I hate the narrative that he was just a young black man being forced to do this because of where he was from. Dude used his millions to kill dogs on a larger scale not help his community never forget that.
@J Gt He runs multiple animal charities to this day... that's like 12 years of charity work.
@@jordan8199 He did some horrible things, do you believe it's impossible for him to right those wrongs?
Chargers' 2001 draft is wild. Traded out of #1 and lost out on Vick, yet still had one of the greatest drafts ever. LT in first round and Drew Brees in second round
Arguably both better picks than Vick
@@ObservationofLimits Michael Vick was ok, but not amazing as a quarterback.
Aside from 02 and maybe 04, he couldn’t pass consistently, but his rushing ability was about as good as anyone at the position.
He had his moments and wasn’t awful, but wasn’t someone I’d take that high in an NFL draft.
As far as Tomlinson and Brees, they obviously both had better careers than he did and were picked lower, though the former was a running back, and that position is seen as fairly replaceable in modern times.
Both teams got something out of the trade, but San Diego came out better I’d say (though given that most of Drew Bree’s’ best years were in New Orleans, I’d say the gap is a bit closer there than some).
42:00
Vick, at 72OVR, was SO EASY to trade for in franchise mode.
You didn't need to change his ratings. His OVR was held artificially low by his low awareness rating, which doesn't matter when you user control him.
As a 49ers fan, it was easy to trade away Jeff Garcia and some draft pick(s) for Vick, pair him up with Owens, and rip the NFL apart.
Those were the days my brother!!!
Vick would slam innocent dog’s heads into concrete to kill them once they were too old or sick to continue dogfighting. He could’ve just shot them, but he chose to torture and murder them in some very very horrific ways , and even seemed to take pleasure in it. Electrocution, strangulation, blunt force trauma. He’s a sick and twisted individual
@@dogshake-yet he spared you.
Imagine if someone had just introduced Mike Vick to Pokémon instead.
When I was stationed out there in 2013-2015, I was invited to a few cockfights. They won’t say dogfight out there to outsiders anymore, but it’s jus a different world out there.
A horrific scene as over 25 drown Pikachus are found in the basement of NFL QB Michael Vick. We are also hearing reports about frozen Charzards, electrocuted Bulbasaurs and even a Snorelax kept awake for over 72 hours straight.
It's a scene that lacks all humanity.
Back to you, Jim.
@@jeffredfern3744
Thanks Jeff.
In related news, a new food fad has struck the region - “Squirtle Stew.” Apparently, the popularity of this new dish has local fishermen on Route 8 overfishing the local Squirtle population. For more we go to our reporter on the spot: Tom Ato.
Tom?
@@GrownUpKid94 In Hawai'i chicken fights are big. It's a Filipino thing that kinda spread.
@@GrownUpKid94 newport news or ATL?
This episode brought me so much nostalgia. I became a falcons fan in 2002 as a little 3 year old because of Vick, genuinely found myself cheering at some points haha. Great episode
U remember your life at 3. Impressive!
Thank you for covering one of the most broken characters in gaming history, Madden Mike Vick.
He’s broken in 2K as well lol
Man, Vick let himself down, and in turn Atlanta. In interviews later in life he admitted to "not really trying" during his time here (ATL). Not studyng film, or taking practice seriously. Just imagine if he had more self love. (EDIT: I see you hit on that. I was at a lot of those games in the 03 04 05 seasons.)
Oh, I also remember a commercial that was " The Michael Vick Experience" ride.
Just curious. I know there's no definitive answer, but do you think the Falcons have a good enough team around Vick in those seasons (03 04 05) for them to make a deep run into the playoffs if Vick had evolved and improved and committed more to game plans/practicing/studying?
Wow the defense of the dog fighting charges are wild didn’t expect that one. Dude from ATL really lost me on that. This man tortured innocent animals and we get “Hey he went to jail for a bit, it’s okay”
I love this series but as I die hard Falcons fan, I am damn near in tears. This team just can't get right!
As a Mariners fan (the subject of their prior team documentary), I understand this statement.
> @17:29 This (single game QB rushing record) will stand until Colin Kaepernick finally breaks it.
The Packers' run defense could not be reached for comment. Or, you know, for a stop.
I do think Vick deserves to be forgiven, but using where he grew up and lived as an excuse for making dogs kill each other so people can gamble on it just doesn't fly. There's plenty of people from the same area as Vick who have absolutely nothing to do with dog fighting. He had a choice, he chose the bad side.
But he absolutely deserves to be forgiven. He's paid his debt to society, he works to fix the damage he's done, and he's just another human being and we all need forgiveness. And the world would be a whole lot better if people were forgiving.
Honestly feels like that was the best excuse they could think up for Vick doing what he did, instead of just admitting that he did something wrong and wasn’t as heroic as he seemed
Forgiveness is one thing, but Vick's involvement goes beyond mere dogfighting. Those who testified against Vick described brutal executions of dogs at Vick's hand. Electrocutions, hangings, drownings, slamming them into the ground. It takes a seriously twisted individual to do something like that.
I can't help but wonder if these documentarians would be so quick to forgive him if he wasn't a beloved football star, but was just some random guy.
@@jimjob28 I feel like that part was less in there as an excuse, and more as a way to segue into Vick's subsequent involvement with banning kids from being present at dogfights and thus into his lifetime since of work to atone.
@@jimjob28 I feel like they’re defending him even harder because the Falcons are supposed to be the protagonists in this story, and they can’t admit that this centerpiece of their protagonist’s roster is such horrible person. If this was a story about the Saints, they would spend this time period ripping into Vick
@@InchonDM I don't know, maybe. From my perspective, it seemed like an attempt to sugar coat things, because they want to admire him and keep a clean conscious at the same time.
but the difference is vick tortured, bashed and killed the dogs that were injured in the fights
The defense of and excuse for Vick's actions is incredibly disappointing.
25:40 you guys did blank greasy on this one. I laughed again after pausing to look up J Jonah Jameson
Unreal. Probably a bit soft on Vick in a sense, he wasn't just caught trying to get an old fashioned off a prostitute, man was running a full brothel.
a crime that gets you probation to 3 months.....vick instead got 18 months...FOH man
call me when nfl players actually start getting punished for domestic violence or sexual assault 🤷♀️
@@highlightminicastle Ok great so just because standards are rock bottom he actually had a really really tough time. God bless him. The poor fella.
@@jacefairis1289 If only police and justice depts could do more than one thing at once.
@@dirtybombshelter police and justice departments can't do anything good though
I hope it doesn't go unnoticed that in Dan Reeves' portrait in this video, he points nearly directly upward in the same direction that the Falcons' W/L record sweeps during their 1998/1999 seasons.
Jeez, guys, way to spin "federal dogfighting charges" in the same tone of voice as if Vick had been busted for a little green bag in his pocket.
Hey at least they had the courage to call it “inexcusable”… and then immediately forgive him for it. And then launch into a moralistic diatribe about a coach hopping teams. These guys definitely have their priorities straight.
Absolutely loved the video. Now on the subject of Vick, I have forgiven him because I truly believe people can change and I believe he has. That being said the punishment he received was 100% deserved. He tortured creatures that were helpless to defend themselves against him creatures who have been bred to trust and be loyal to humans for thousands of years. To take advantage of those creatures and brutalize them for entertainment or personal gain is one of the most despicable things I can think of. He deserved what he got, he changed his life and the fact that he’s done what he has to try to make up for it is very meaningful. I hated him for years but I’ve changed too, he’s not a monster, he’s a man who made some bad mistakes, he’s just a human like the rest of us.
No, literally by definition he is a monster, only sociopath can do that, and he is a genuinely horrible person. If he was a pedophile you wouldn't be saying you forgive him. Vick is honestly a terrible person, and while he can do everything in his power to seek forgiveness that doesn't mean he deserves it. I dont believe in hell, but man I really wish it existed for someone like him
24:07 - I can hear Jon booting up the surrender index in the background
These men are cowards
That’s a Pretty Good observation
@@nickfb92 massive W
1.20, if you're curious
51:35 Goddamn this part hits, because in not naming people it leaves me with several people in mind who all fit that description.
Iraq, Katrina, Housing bubble. All massive crimes that no one has properly paid for... leagues more destructive than anything Vick did.
I'm not a fan of the way that they portray this. The fact that the wealthy and powerful in this country do absolutely heinous things and get away with them does not change the fact that Michael Vick drowned, electrocuted, and forced dogs to fight each other to the death. Bringing up this other stuff in an attempt to somehow convey that what he did "wasn't that bad" is a non sequitur at best and morally abhorrent at worst. That's just my opinion, though.
@@johnmcdowell1121 I think it is relevant. Thousands of people both home and abroad have and will d*e because of the government. And they aren’t sorry. Vick is sorry and has repented. We should bring that energy for people who aren’t sorry, not people who have learned from their mistakes.
@@johnmcdowell1121 Their point is that Vick served his time, and has worked ever since to redeem himself, while most of those other people have done none of that. Yet there are people out there who BOTH will never forgive Vick AND have no such feelings about the other people.
I don't personally have any strong opinion on forgiving Vick.
@@BLKPlutoh I understand the point they're trying to make, I do. But excusing one atrocity because there are much larger ones in the world isn't right in my opinion. Vick may have repented a dozen dozen times over. But at the end of the day, he got to go back to making millions as a professional quarterback. The dogs that he tortured and murdered get nothing. As far as I'm concerned, apologizing and dedicating your life to animal rights is the absolute least you can do after treating dogs like fodder.
As someone who doesn't keep up with sports too often, let ALONE the history of football, the reveal that Aaron Brooks was the QB for the Saints was so fucking cool
Micheal Vick abused and murdered Dogs he bred specifically for fighting. Each fight would be merely pocket change to him. I don't give a shit where you come from or what your friends and family did for fun or if you feel he served his debt to society. What he did would have given me or you 20 years or more. If those dogs could talk.
You a non vegetarian?
A man spends his weekends torturing animals for fun and 2 years later we're supposed to forgive and forget? That kind of thing as a chronic way of life speaks to someone's value system, and 2 years in prison isn't enough for that to magically change. And Jon/Kofi's suggestions that we should forgive him because he donated some of his (plentiful) money and was told by his PR people what conciliatory statements to make... it's laughable.
Completely lost me with the self pity Vick story at the end, especially with the whataboutism.
I was born on Langley Air Force Base in 2000, both my mom and my uncle went to Virginia Tech, and my dad was raised in Atlanta where he saw Hank hit 756 and had Bartkowski as a backup when Theismann's injury made him never want to root for the WFT ever again. Michael Vick's mom's house was on my dad's route to work at the Norfolk Naval Base every day. He worked night shifts, so in the lead up to the draft, whenever he got off he wanted so desperately to go say something to her about Mike joining the Falcons. Obviously he never did, but on his way home from work the morning of the first day of the draft he saw her packing. She was a public school bus driver, so everyone knew that meant Mike had made it. My dad was super pumped and lo and behold, Michael Vick went from our college team to our pro team.
He was by far our favorite player, and I think I still have my tiny Vick jersey made for 5 year old me somewhere. needless to say I didn't wear it after a while, but we've always supported him. even when he made his comeback, he was helped by Tony Dungy, one of my all time favorite coaches for finally helping Peyton get over the hump and one of the best people ever in the NFL, in my opinion, both before and after he was released. he became a better person and a better football players, and I think opinions on him show a person's true views on rehabilitation and forgiveness.
So much random and unnecessary information. One of those people who loves hearing themselves talk.
All anyone has to do to be better than Michael Vick is not hang any dogs.
When you talked about the Falcons getting a coach who wouldn't be looking for another job, I face palmed and said, "Oh, god no."
I've been through a lot a heartbreak and disappointment as a Bills fan; but seeing what the Falcons fans have been through; if you've been a Falcons fan for as long as I've been a Bills fan, I salute you.
So you're harder on Petrino than dog fighter Vick? Petrino's a sleazeball but come on....
29:55 That would be a second time an exceptionally physically gifted athlete from Virginia would spoil a unanimous MVP vote.
Don't have the reference, who is it?
@@sanoban Allen Iverson in the ‘99-‘00 NBA season. Shaq would have been a unanimous MVP, but one guy voted for AI.
@@sanoban Lebron lost the unanimous vote to melo in 2012 or 13. It was probably Lebron’s best year
@@palmerjohnson7644 bro Melo is from Baltimore son. He literally went to a VA high school for 1 year. Nobody and I mean nobody that isnt from that specific area in VA thinks of Melo as "from Virginia" 🤣
@Ll L Carmelo Anthony? We are talking about the same person right? He is not from Virginia. Dude was born in Brooklyn, moved to Baltimore as a kid, went to Towson MD high school for 3 years, went to a Virginia school for one single measly year, then went to Syracuse college in New York. Now how in all of that, does the 1 year in Virginia make him "from" Virginia???
29:00 - to be fair, Saban turned out to be a lousy pro HC in Miami
He wasn't a lousy coach though, he was actually a pretty solid coach in Miami. The problem is that they gave him Dante Culpepper instead of Drew Brees which then lead to him being the coach of Alabama. The Falcons not hiring Saban indirectly lead to the Alabama dynasty
@@dijohn17 exactly. Glad saw your comment because I was going to say the same thing
Yeah, doubt "the system" would have went over well in Atlanta. He would have probably had a Dan Reeves style tumultuous relationship with the players then went on to be the head coach of Georgia Tech or some shit.
I’ve seen Gilbert Gottfried live and it was okay
51:42-51:55 Are you talking about Bush? 03: Iraq, 05: Katrina, 08: Financial collapse
That’s what I’m thinking
I'm with them on most of the Vick stuff but this was especially soft on him. Every criticism was bookended with compliments or rationalizations. Most have said their peace on the dogfighting stuff, which we could go on and on with. Really didn't like the fluffiness regarding his play in 05-06, "not reflecting in his numbers" and insisting he worked hard but then just a quick quote... No, it was actually an incredible problem of him not working hard. He was legit coasting on athletic ability on a $100M contract while his peers were well above him. And I know they saw the interview with him and Jim Mora and he admitted again that he wasn't watching any of the tape they gave him at home. His quote was they could have put a million dollar check and he'd never see it.
Vick was very important to Falcons history and he is why I am personally a fan of the team. But to dunk on Mora (rightfully so) and to gloss over that period of deterioration for Vick, or maybe misrepresent it, doesn't sit right with me.
@Poop Jones not a justification
Making excuses for Vick running a dogfighting ring and killing innocent animals is pretty pathetic. They criticize Petrino harder than Vick, Petrino left Atlanta and Vick murdered dogs... pretty disgusting.
Vick now has multiple charities and has raised millions for animal rights...
Petrino never stopped being funny and a dick.
The full story of Michael Vick is one of terrible sin followed by a decade of trying to atone.
The full story of Petrino is one of unending comedy.
They arent calling anything he did worse than Vick. Vick's story just isn't funny unless you have a sick and fucked up sense of humor. If anything, Petrino was a case of levity to follow that up and not end the video totally depressing.
@J Gt What does he need to do to be forgiven?
Just can't get behind Vick being portrayed as the victim here.
Whataboutism notwithstanding
Ha, the days when madden was legit good. Now today it’s sooooo trash
A short anecdote about Mike Vick, when I was like 6 or 7 he was my absolute favorite athlete, he's where my love of football really started and I thought he was the dopest dude on the earth. The other thing I really loved was animals, I was already telling my mom I wanted to be a vet and save animals. When the news of the dog fighting broke I was literally in tears I felt so betrayed that my idol would be cruel to dogs. Of course as an adult now I can look back and still appreciate Vick as an athlete but I'll never forget hearing that news as a little kid.
I mean ya it kinda reveals the man as an actual sociopath
Does anyone know the incidents that the narrator is referring to when he mentions 2003, 2005, and 2008 at 51:46??
@@wonderboy02003- Iraqi War
2005- Hurricane Katrina
2008- Financial crash
Could be referencing the gov’t and Wall Street.
I love these! They are so well put together, as a saints fan it’s cool to learn more about my rival team! Keep it up!! My vote is for a saints one next! Who dat!!!
losing a shit ton until the 90's then win a bit, then lose a bit, trade for Brees, win, win a lot, win a Superbowl, fall short a bunch, Minneapolis Miracle, lose to a bullshit PI, embarrassing lose to the vikes, (again) lose to Brady, Brees retires.
I think they’re focusing on teams who haven’t won it all.
@@brucedillon8358 Brees was a free agent signing, but either way I agree with you to an extent. The first 25+ years of their history isn't even worth documenting really. It basically amounts to Archie Manning, Tom Dempsey, and laughably bad ownership and front offices. But from the 90s forward it's a shit show roller coaster of extreme highs and extreme lows not many sports teams can relate to. It could merit a 4-parter, but with the Saints playing a supporting actor role in this documentary I imagine they'll focus elsewhere for the next project.
I think they’re just picking interesting franchises, maybe with a focus on ones that a particular writer has a connection to, so they can easily pitch it by already knowing some interesting parts. The Cleveland Cavaliers one proves it wasn’t about teams with no rings.
@@bagofgroceries then I need a Lions respective cause damn
It’s a real shame Vick brutally killed all those dogs
“You go 4-12 on the field, but that’s just like finding out you lost your remote after the goddamn house burned down.”
Along with 2 counts of "Only a brick wall could stop you...its name is the Eagles."
playing apologist harder for an animal abuser than you guys did for a guy who wanted a prostitute... okay...
I’d literally sit and down and watch an entire series of these episodes on every NFL team
I’m a chiefs fan and as soon as I saw the graph of the win/loss margin of 04/05 I said “hey there’s the chiefs game”. My jaw was on the floor the entire game. I thought Vick and Dunn would carve us up.
"his upbringing forced him to kill and torture dogs"
he is forgiven, he paid his price, but I wont respect him or want to have him in a privileged position, he can swipe floors or any other normal job. Not a hero or millionaire.
“Traumatic and torturous,” regarding putting people in prison; yet, I wonder how traumatic and torturous it was for all the dogs that died/were traumatized as a result of his actions. I’d say 2 years is fair. Dude was pulling in millions, at least is someone was broke and doing it, it’s be someone less reprehensible.
I'd say 2 years wasn't nearly enough, and I suspect he only got off that lightly cause of his money. The poor easily get 2 years for some trivial possession charge. He got 2 years for torturing animals because he thought it was amusing.
@@frother No, he only got 2 years because he was rich and famous and they wanted to make an example out of him. Before then, dog fighting was way more common and you would get some community service hours or a slap on the wrist. I remember dog fighting happening in my neighborhood in the early 2000s.
On top of that Vick was never the one fighting the dogs. He just allowed it to happen at his residence. I get it, a pet should be treated like family if you bring it into your home but you people care more about dogs than you care about humans suffering all over the world. It's ridiculous
The Fumble Dimension needs to cover video game Vick vs video game Bo Jackson
Why are you guys talking about Vick like "oh my god poor Vick! The world just won't forgive him!" What are you talking about? Everyone stopped giving a shit by like 2010. He went to play for the eagles.
Your coverage of the animal cruelty portion of Vick's story is disappointingly biased. You gloss over the atrocities that he committed in 30 seconds before spending 4 minutes rationalizing it. The fact that he grew up dog fighting almost makes it worse because it means he was doing it for years. I'm also confused that you really want me to feel sorry for him because he had a mental breakdown in prison (aka a "dungeon" as you emotionally put it). American prison reform needs to happen but we're talking about dog fighting. Same with the hand wavey dates. We're not talking about those, we're talking about Micheal Vick being a dog fighter. To me, it isn't about forgiveness because his crimes didn't personally affect me. I don't care about some "debt to society". I hate him because he tortured those animals. Nothing he does can erase that. I respect that he's worked to better himself but he'll always have the mark of dog fighting.
I grew up around racist white dudes in the rural south. I didn't grow up with the racism. Even as a child I could identify how wrong and stupid that is. Same for dog fighting, or for drowning or electrocuting dogs.
I never would have thought I'd watch like 4 hours of falcons history but here we are