Is This Rolex GMT Actually Worth $20,000?!
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Well, this is the second GMT Master 2 I've reviewed, and as much as I like the watch, in theory, the practice is a little different. I say again, this is not a fake watch, so the other conclusion is that Rolex is slipping. They are all hype these days and the watch you receive after handing over that vast sum of money does fully justify the price tag. But you all knew that, right? Cheers, Jody
Bezel doesn't align
Seiko: Wait a minute, did Rolex just make an homage of ours?!
I chuckled.
🤣🤣🤣
Does that make it a Rolo?
I can understand bezel misalignment on a $300 Seiko, I think it's completely unacceptable on a $20,000 Rolex.
Howard Jackson not US dollars.
So +5 seconds per day, the rotor is a bit noisy, no AR coating, the bezel has a bit of play and doesn't line up? Maybe the Chinese NH35 homages are actually more accurate than we expected.
Alias Anybody when you buy a Rolex you’re also buying the history, quality, name, and prestige. If you are into that Chinese homage junk, which has zero substance, good for you. Wear them well!
I, on the other hand, wouldn’t even take for free a junk homage watch regardless of how close the the original has been cloned.
@@poopy_fingers3324 you're on the wrong channel bud. Go back to Archie Luxury
@@poopy_fingers3324 history gonna cost you an extra 15 grand with all those problems mate you have the same taste as your username POOPY
poopy_fingers “quality” ......doesn’t look like that, name is marketing, but stil they make very nice watches, in my eyes to expensive, but that is my wallet speaking, would I buy a Rolex if the wallet can talk that money.... YES
Serg Flores I’ll gladly pay the extra 15 grand for those “problems.” And it appears you have no problem paying super cheap for junk. To each their own!
That's a nice Pagani! 😂
🤣🤣
Sadly this is a Pagani homage watch, not the real thing :(
Joey: I’m lucky, I bought the real thing from Aliexpress in June this year and I’m well pleased with it.
I went in to my local hospital for a check up after some nose surgery (not plastic surgery enhancing my good looks I should add!) and the consultant remarked “nice watch” as he gave me the once over. I smiled and clocked his early 70’s Submariner on his wrist. He was a good guy so I didn’t tell him he was wearing the homage....
Smh Rolex, stop ripping off Pagani.
No no, it would at least have had anti reflective coating.
the awkward moment when my orient keeps better time
This comment need more likes.
And my Timex.
how about $10 Casio..
Same.
And my parnis 😂😂
Materially speaking, not a single Rolex model are worth their price. But I don't think people buy Rolex or any luxury items purely for their material aesthetics only.
That's a pretty convincing argument for not buying them, to be frank
Agreed, they just market the best. It's like Ferrari, people say things like "when I'm rich, I'm going to buy a Ferrari". Most of these people don't know a thing about cars and Ferrari is the go to brand for these statements just because they are the best marketers and are the face of supercars.
Howard Jackson but Ferrari makes nice and interesting cars
@@RestrictedHades But not worth the super-inflated price. Because very few things are actually "worth" that amount of money. A house, maybe? Not a car. If people want to deliberately waste money on vastly inflated luxury items just to show off or bolster their insecure self-image, that's one thing. But their personal insecurity doesn't make the items "worth" the price.
@@howardjackson8095 Yep... and in all my years in the car hobby, I've never known a Ferrari owner who didn't have problem after problem from their status purchase.
No! That's why I went to the Omega Boutique and got first-class treatment, bought an Aqua Terra at a 15% discount I might add. Brought home a gold zero gravity pen, a leather box bottle of champagne the leather watch holders/ sunglass holders and oh yeah, the Omega Box is a hell of a lot nicer than Rolex.
Boom! Gifts with purchase! They aren't cheap, but Omega offer better value than Rollers IMHO. Well done!
All swiss brands are overpriced....
@@abhisheknarayandhyani731
I agree, but IF you are spending a huge amount of money for a luxury item there's a massive difference between the AD kissing your feet and you having to kiss the ADs feet.
Which watch did you wind up buying?
So by going for Omega you went for second best.
I could understand if you said you bought a JLC or something like that.
Adrian Barker said it best;
"Grand Seiko, JLC, Lange (etc.) are Watchmakers, Rolex are a watch brand, you're buying image and prestige, not craftsmanship".
Hit the nail squarely & firmly right on the head!
Wow. PERFECT observation!
Where do people get these stupid opinions from?
Rolex makes sports watches and they can all be used for sports. They are tough as hell. Name a watch in the others than hold up to Rolex models.
I would say that just because many buy these watches solely for image and prestige does not mean that the craftsmanship isn't there. Like them or not, Rolex watches are VERY well made.
@@bighands69 to many to list that will hold up to sports, diving etc.. Ridiculous comment to make. You think only a Rolex is tough. You clearly are not in the industry or even understand how a mechanical movement is assembled and the shock protection methods different brands employ. Rolex are lovely watches but don't kid yourself they are the best.
Rolex copying Pagani Design and Parnis quality control
My Pagani doesn't have the issues of that Roles lol
Ouch! That's rough.
Oof!
Unlike Pagani owners, most Rolex owners wouldn't care much about QC.
I'd bet a lot of them wouldn't even know how to set the time, date & GMT properly.
- But that's not the point, is it?
@@voiceofexperience most?
Well then either i only see the good side of the watch collecting community or you're wrong mate
Considering how psychotic this watch collecting community is, those lazy QC problems will probably become “collectible features” by the time this watch is vintage.
Just like what the Inverted Jenny is for stamp collectors.
I’m call this watch a fake! ......there’s noway Mr X would buy this if he’s a watch guy. Maybe he had a few too many the day he purchased that watch. I’d sent that watch back if I paid what he claims he did, especially with the noticeable flaws.
Chi-Town California: Totally! My 1968 Alfa Romeo GT Junior, rattles, squeaks, leaks oil and is misaligned everything; and yet people go ga-ga over it whenever I take it out. This is exactly why I love my Seikos ... they are quirky in their imperfection.
Well, we call rust, fading, and dial rot "patina", so I suggest we call the QC issues "quirks" from now on!
It'll probably be worth more than a rootbeer without the QC issues.
Great video. And that GMT is one of the nicest looking modern Rolexes. Good work pointing out the flaws. rolex are too often put on a pedestal because of their brand power, people assume they are high quality or well finished. That clearly isn't the case.
Thanks Adrian! Agree re the looks, but it needed to be sooooo much better than it actually is. I'm happy not to be part of the cult.
@@JustOneMoreWatch
But what other watch at that price range would you have?
@bighand69 aqua Terra gmt and the change? Or just the change?
Same issue on alignment with the Daytona 116500LN... no more words 😬
So I just picked up this watch from my AD in NY. Christmas came early. I'm absolutely delighted, relieved, to report that none, none, of these issues are readily apparent on my Rootie. If it's your first GMT, don't expect a GMT bezel to be as crisp as a diver. It's more indents than clicks. It does float up slightly as you turn to the indents but mine doesn't play up and down or forward and back at rest and lines up pretty much perfect. The rotor is audible but not at all noisy. No real play in the end link at the watch face. Thank goodness. I would have been very annoyed. Thanks for the heads up. I inspected the hell out of it before leaving the shop. Cheers guys.
No. I like Rolex watches, but I feel they are way overpriced, and there are better options, like Omega
@elitemathlete buying watches is not making investments.
@elitemathlete Depends on the model. Bought an Aqua Tera Bumblebee 2 month ago price went up by an avarage Grand in this time.
@elitemathlete Maybe, but the Omega is going to be a watch you will never want to sell
If anyone knows where I can buy one of those new model Omegas that are going for 50-75% less, please give me a link.
Emilio Sbdte and you can get an Omega. It is neraly impossible buying a Rolex in Germany. Sold out for ages.
The fanboys... they are coming
Rolex are better than everything and invented everything don't you know.
That's what their marketing department said.
@@joninawhitecoat So I've heard! however my SMP 300m's alligned bezel might have something to say about that. 😂😂
Ngl i love rolex just because of the design but well
Im a 15yo kid and my knowledge about watchbrands end purely on their watchmaking not advertising and value for money
Altho i do own a couple of Pagani's 🤣
Got my Rolex in Bangkok. Everything lines up sweet. 😀
Didn’t come in a box though...
Quick answer... NO!
That would be a very short video mate!
@@JustOneMoreWatch So let's add "absolutely" and double its length.
@@JustOneMoreWatch I'd love to see a video with a full intro and you just saying "no". And then the video ends.
if it sells then it obviously is
Betteridge's Law.
I’m fortunate enough to have inherited a Coke. Too bad they aren’t obtainable for what they were back in 2003 or so. It’s for this reason that I’m not a real fan of Rolex anymore. Tudor’s Black Bay 58 is the exciting answer for this issue
What we need is a BB58 GMT........ 😍😍
@@JustOneMoreWatch and I'll happily plonk down some money.
At first I thought you actually inherited a "vintage" bottle of coke, lol.
Alias Anybody I thought the same lol.
@@JustOneMoreWatch need to fix the date wheel problem first
I was waiting for the.. This has been sent to me for review I don't have to return it.. lol
🤣 I'm not sure that is likely to happen, but we can both keep dreaming mate!
@@JustOneMoreWatch 😁
Now that's funny!
Absolutely not!!! Over hyped and over priced....and with QC issues to boot. I bought one 25 years ago, and I’ll never buy another.
My Vostok komandierskie runs +5s a day. And that watch costs 38 dollars.
I wear a K34 and a k65. Love them both. Had a Rolex Sub two tone in the 90's. Like them as well as the Sub to be honest. It's not all about STATUS.
I've seen other videos describing the awful customer service from Rolex and for my money why should I buy a Rolex anything as opposed the a Grand Seiko Snowflake? I think I would go for the precision and quality of the spring drive. Jmo
Most people that make claims about Rolex are not there real customer. More than likely they cannot afford a Rolex.
@@bighands69 utter garbage again from you. I have many many, very nice watches (GS, JLC, Omega etc.) and can easily afford a Rolex. I simply dislike them. Boring, done-to-death designs with very basic movements from an unimaginative marketing company passing themselves off as a watch brand.
@@davy3130
Rolex make the best sports watches. Every Rolex watch excluding Cellini can be used for sports such as diving, swimming or adventure.
Omega are half the price and not as trusted and GS sports watches are not as nice looking.
You are probably one of those people that thinks a Porsche is Boring because it has kept the same shape for the last 50 years.
An Omega Seamaster from the 1990s looks very similar to an Omega Seamaster today.
Wasn't ever a fan of Rolex , all hype etc etc, and why would I spend that money when I can get 20 cooler watches !! In my opinion anyway. Great review honest and informative
My dad owners an authentic Omega, I own an authentic Breitling, my mum owners a $200 fake Rolex. We all love a nice watch but we all agree that Rolex is not worth the price (in our opinions). Also, to get the other brands, to don't have to buy all of the oyster models before the dealer will sell you a sports model. I bet the guy who bought that GMT had to buy at least 3 other Rolex watches in that same dealership.
Please list your 20 cooler watches. Price and perceived quality aside, the Pepsi GMT is a great looking watch with a lot of history behind it.
OR.... buy a 20K haute horology watch by JLC, Breguet or even Omega and one owns a true horological timepiece...not a very sturdy automatic dive/pilot watch with a 50 year old design, that (sad but true) people are being shot (dead) for in 2020 (3 in Holland alone this year on countless of bloody Rolex targeted robberies).
Rolex are the only brand of sports watch that can be used for sports.
@@bighands69 what utter, utter nonsense. You obviously bought into the hype and know literally nothing about mechanical watches.
Price breakdown of a Rolex: watch parts £1000
watch name £19000
Nailed it !
Correct!
For this one you can bump up the parts value a few quid -- there is real gold there after all and gold is up in value.
@@nickh9062 By weight that gold is unlikely to change the cost ratio very much.
If you think manufacturing and materials costs are all that does in to developing a product then there's no point in even arguing with you.
I paid £550 for my seiko king turtle last month and annoys the life out of me that my chapter ring doesn't line up cant imagine paying 20k for a watch that doesn't line up
No. At that price, a watch should endure for ages. My father bought a new Rolex in the early 50s. About 10 years ago, it needed parts, but was more than 50 years old and Rolex had stopped making the parts. For life only if one buys old or dies young.
Dang that's rough and almost unfair!
With makes like PP, if they no longer have a part they will make you a part, and get the watch running like new again, regardless of its age! As PP say, you never really own their their watches, you’re only the temporary custodian before someone else becomes a custodian! Rolex could learn a trick or five from PP!
At that price it should be as perfect as if created by the hand of God Himself. The slightest wobble or misalignment is inexcusable. You have to justify that price and that pretention somehow.
Collected this piece today. Its beautiful. None of the issues in the video. Important to generalise things. Of course some watches will slip through qc but I bet you rolex would fix it under warranty if he asked.
I would find it hard to not burst out laughing if the Rolex dealer asked for 20K with a straight face.
They’d ask you to join a three year waiting list first , provided you’re a known customer , and then all the money when it arrives
I'd say that right there is a perlative cernometer!
Indeed 😁
Happy to watch this video and seeing you going into these little details and pointing out these qc issues. As you asked the question would you be alright with it, I said outloud " Hell no I'd be fuming like a dragon!"
Love the watch looks beautiful but really 20k?! I'll buy Omega and still have money to spare
Rolex prices like this will continue to be high as long as people like "Mr X" are willing to pay for them. Simple as that
Indeed
Agree. Very nice that X lends Jody pieces to review; but him accepting these problems is why Rolex can get away with it.
Hmmm from that time Grapher I'd say for the price you would expect it to be +-1. Because we have seen sun 100 dollar watches doing +5ish. So the price is just design, materials and brand. If I ever get that money I'd buy an omega.
People that buy Rolex and love Rolex ignore any qc issues as in their mind “Rolex is perfection!” I don’t get the hype, the prices and why there are so many that live Rolex. As a watch, it’s ok but in no way would I spend that kind of money and have the issues you showed. I’ve seen those same issues in person on a Deep Sea Dweller. People are nuts.
Well, the reason is simple enough. Rolex spent massive amounts on establishing themselves as the superior luxury brand during the 70's and 80's. Us who grew up in those decades were brought up to believe that a Rolex could keep perfect time while being contained inside a rally car tire through the Paris-Dakar. The amount of people from those generations who are now pretentious deuce bags is enough for a solid customer base and they could never possibly think of anything else to buy than the by far most recognizable "luxury" item!
* Yes, I actually know those guys. Italian suit and Rolex, no clue about watches whatsoever.
I agree. I had a Rolex and no longer do. I thought it was average at best in time keeping and quality with a ridiculous price. I guess people are easily influenced by marketing.
@@poulwinther ..."takes a licking and keeps on ticking" john cameron swayze '50s & '60s commercials for the $12 Timex
Poul Winther Knudsen Good point, and we know that most of these people wouldn’t even notice something like a misalignment chapter ring.
@@poulwintheragree. And those ranks have been joined by young social media influencers and their hangers on.
Short of world war or a meteor strike, Rolex will have simps (many who think there’s a battery inside) lined up forever.
Thanks for the Sunday video! I’m wearing my seiko
Prospex turtle save the ocean and my fiancé’s father just got the aqua terra omega. For my price point the seiko turtle is the best watch I’ve ever worn! Happy Sunday
And this is exactly why I do not own a Rolex. Regardless of what the “economic” value a bunch of deranged strangers place on these. I simply cannot internally justify the cost of these things. I have a couple Tudors, a couple of Omegas, a Seiko Sarb line and a Citizen Grand Classic line. None of them are cheap watches and none have that kind of obvious and easily avoidable flaw. The tudors were a bit of a trick to obtain.. the others were fairly easy to get without the expense and the ass-kissing required by the Rolex AD. The value proposition simply is not there for me.
Ray Han I guess it’s all relative. One Tudor was full retail. The other came at significant discount. To me.. they are worth it. I suppose.. to someone else.. the Rolex is worth it. However, neither of my Tudors have flaws in them. Nor did I have to buy something else I didn’t want in order to prove my loyalty to the AD.
@Ray Han The Pelagos is a better dive watch than the Sub at a fraction of the price.
Fyi Tudor is a sister company of Rolex and was founded by the founder of Rolex.
@@karlsenula9495 Um... we know. And that's the point. If a superior watch made by the same company is a fraction of the cost of its older sibling, that speaks volumes about the hype and inflation of the Rolex.
@@UGA.D it was more directed at Ray Han's comment that a Tudor is not a Rolex and Tudors prices are not justified ... I wouldn't assume that everyone knows of the Tudor and Rolex connection.
For instance people wrongly assume Rolex invented the first GMT (1954) in conjunction with PanAm pilots when Glycine (Airman 1953) came out with a GMT almost year earlier. Part of the Mythos around Rolex.
Those QC issues would be unacceptable on a $1000 watch, perhaps even a $500 watch - a watch costing tens of thousands of dollars with issues like these is absolutely despicable. I agree with your thought that Rolex is perhaps getting a bit lazy and allowing their name to sell their watches.
Definitely the color scheme that I'd get if I wanted to, but those complaints are making me have second thoughts. Also, I've always thought 904L was harder and more resistant to acids than 316L (making it more costly to machine watches out of, which might explain a portion of Rolex's higher prices?). I've found many websites that conflict with each other, but it makes sense to me that Rolex would opt for a harder steel so it wouldn't scratch as easily.
Jody was spot on with his assessment. With all of those things he pointed out, the watch isn't worth $20 K from the QUALITY POINT OF VIEW but from the BUYER POINT OF VIEW (marketing), it is worth every single penny of that $20 K because there is always another buyer that is willing to pay more than $20 K for it!
Wow..I want to thank you for this video. This specific watch is one of my grail watches. Its the only Rolex I've ever really been interested in.
You have saved me a lot of money and heartache.
Looks absolutely beautiful, but those negatives are unacceptable. I’m lucky enough to have a Sub I obtained years ago and it has none of the issues you mentioned. It seems they’re QC has become less important.
I've had lots of quality issues with my Rolex's. Funnily enough the only one that was perfect was my Rootbeer. My Pepsi has misaligned hands, Explorer has uneven dark patchy lume on the hands, Submariner with misaligned bezel and rehaut and timing issues etc. These were all brand new watches.
You expectations were two high. Almost everything you listed other than "timing issues" are not considered problems. Expectations way too high. I mean, as a WIS, I get it, but that's just not the way watches are in most cases. This idea of "perfection" is a new, modern one. Look at vintage or neo vintage and slight misalignment is normal. They're just tools (in theory).
@@ams914Expectations 'too high' for a 20k watch😂😂😂. These basic QC issues are pathetic on the part of Rolex and pathetic on the part of fan boys who defend them.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or you already knew it, but here we go. In Swedish a cat's purring is spinner. Katten spinner, the cat purrs. The rotar is a spinner 😂😉
I my two tone DJ 36mm, fluted on a jubilee and it’s a classic watch which I love.
So what’s the issue with it?
I would lose my mind if Rolex sold me a watch that wasn’t perfect. My new Longines Hydroconquest Ceramic was $1600 and it’s flawless!!
I think there are very few, if any watches over $1000 that justify their price based solely on fit, finish and quality alone. Once you get into that price point brand name becomes the basis for price. Glycine and Longines are two of my favorite watch brands and Longines is guilty of charging a bit just for the name.
People have had Rolex watches for decades. I have a Rolex that is from the 1950s and it still works great. I have seen more older Rolex watches than any other old brand watches.
Very bloody nice video. 👍🏻 Those quality issues are unbelievable! 😥 Thx for putting them on the table! 👌🏻
Lazy Sunday so going back to watch episodes from before I subbed… Very well done as alway - and great 3 perspectives.
Your friend X has loaned you many watches so felt bad that you pointed out 3 things he’d missed for the yr he had the watch.
Out of 1 million watches it’s not unreasonable that a few get by QC; still disappointing.
According to the website, "All Rolex watches are assembled by hand with the utmost care to ensure exceptional quality. Such high standards naturally restrict our production capacity and, at times, the demand for our watches outpaces this capacity."
With quality like this, I hope capacity is high right now!
You will find every brand of watch has had faults. Even aircraft of the highest standards can have faults.
Bald faced lie
Paying for branding, for that amount you could get 3 seamasters or an excellent Longines chronograph
My most expensive watch is a $60 Loreo Rolex homage, so I have no experience with these high end watches, but I do think that the Omega Seamaster might be quieter when you shake it because it is not an automatic movement (it is hand wound), so there is no rotor winding to listen to when you shake the watch.
I can’t excuse the rattling of the endlink, but damn that curved endlink integration is so crisp. There’s almost no visible edge between the case and endlink.
$20,000 watch = wanker's paradise.
I am not a "Rolex-level" collector, but... aren't one always paying about 50% of the price for ANY Rolex for hype and advertising?
Try 95%
Yes. But there was their heritage, original design, perfection in keeping time.
Nowdays they have gone wany too far with those pricing policy
How long does a lume last for ? Does it stay light for the whole night?
Same alignment issues and jingling on my Sub Date. I hate to say I only see the slightest misplaced lume on my ancient Boctok Komandirskie. I wouldn’t say they’re worth the same, but they both keep time, I like them both, I’ll wear them both, and I feel happy to have them both.
Wouldn't want one as a gift - unless to sell & get a Seamaster & new motorbike 😘
Pretty much everything I don't like about Rolex tbh.
Thanks to Mr X for letting us see it tho. Cheers mate 👍🏻
Exactly, note my comment.
Seamasters are second best.
@@bighands69 to the ploprof??
I have the Rootbeer and pictures do no justice for this watch. Truly the best GMT! Also recently bought a watch from Banglore Watch Company. I bought the civilian stealth watch for a few hundred dollars. It’s a heck of a watch. Would love for you to do a review and get your thoughts.
I rushed upstairs to check the chapter ring on my 2018 Explorer 1. It aligns perfectly. Although my niggle on that is the logo is upside down when the crown is screwd in. I still wouldn't part with it though.
Yeah. The QC is something that is jot just Seiko. My DJ thunderbird is off when it's at full hour, it drives me crazy but will have to deal with it until it's due for service and maybe will fix it then
I’ll stick with my Parnis GMT thanks, quite close in spec & I’ll pocket the spare $19900, cheers.
I have one if those too on the jubilee .. next dive watch would probably be a Helm or Zelos ... both excellent value for money and great customer service and QC in my opinion.
I understand the rolex deal. I have a few i bought early in my watch journey, and they have appreciated greatly, but they are just a mass produced brand. Its not like rolex makes 2000 pieces a year, the make over half a million. Its a glorified seiko in some respects and I'd argue you get more for ypur you money from seiko in both quality and construction, especially at the marine master level, on into grand Seiko. If Rolex doesn't watch out Tudor will supplant them in the hierarchy. You are getting the same watch for 1/2 price or less.
A lot of what you say is true but my old explorer really is better than any of my seikos, the newer ones having hand winding helps but some of the older ones need a good shake to get them started. It doesn't matter how long the Rolex has been off the the wrist it starts as soon as you pick it up, no winding or shaking required.
The companies that are producing 2000 pieces per year would be 5 times the cost of a Rolex.
Got a Rolex DJ41 Wimbledon in 2 tone rose gold and oyster bracelet.
Haven't looked back!
Your "Hello and welcome" always startles my cat, which just ran out of the room. I love it. Don't change a thing,
I’d rather save my 20k and buy 3 or 4 different luxury watches. Or a car!
Or spend it in a fancy house of ill repute.
and a car
or hookers and black jack
@@smashexentertainment676 Hell yeah ! ! :)
Ok so your vid made me crazy. I own the same watch and ran for my 10x magnifier. Phew. Chapter ring alignment is perfect. No rattle from the end links. The rotor is not perfect but nothing like the watch you reviewed. I can't explain it but dumb luck. I love the watch and love the channel..
Nice honest review Jody! Thank you! I refuse to bend to the hype. So many wonderful watches out there that can be purchased with that kind of money. 👍
Jodie, my datejust also have a bit of lose on the end links. At first i thought maybe it's been over polished that's where the slack comes from but I see it's just the way they are 😂? But according to the chronometer movement... 2 sec a day on my 3135...nh35 from heimdaller same accuracy 😅... Price difference 5.800 gbp.
"You buy A Rolex to show at the Office, You buy an Omega to show to your Watchmaker"
Absolutely spot on!!!
I bought two Omegas and sold both my Rollies. 👍😎
The burn with Omegas vs Rolices (yup, rolex, rolicis, m, as if it were a Latin word) continues.
Watchmakers tend to really like Rolex movements. They're basic, reliable and easy to service. Definitely worth £3-4K ;o)
I have never quite understood why Rolex are so expensive but after getting into watches and learning more about them I can see why. However they still way over priced but I love the way Rolex hold their value over the years from owning one and are a good investment
Where did you get the Pepsi Rolex wall clock from?
I would send that to the RSC for regulation without hesitation. +5 spd for a recently acquired watch in that price point that is still under warranty is not at all acceptable. I would also note the alignment issues when sending it.
It is mostly about the hype. This is exactly why people on the other end of the market are willing to fork out good money for DW and MVMT rubbish.
In the last month, I just started playing piano. Now, I look at every watch in relation to the sort of piano you could buy for the same amount of money. $20K is Very Nice Upright and possibly Used Baby Grand kind of money. FYI!
When you watch a program like "How is it made ?" and see how much work goes into making a piano then you realise Rolex are taking the pi$$ but good luck to them if they can get it. Congratulations on learning a musical instrument.
I do exactly the same with guitars. For $20k, which is a massive fortune in our local currency which is basically like monopoly money, i could have some reeeeaaaallly nice custom shop Gibson Les Pauls and change for strings.
Absolutely excellent review Jody! Glad you attacked the investment value proposition first of all, but after that Certainly cannot see the value at all. Solid links, but are the mid-links even solid gold? I doubt it, it would be heavy.
* Personally I never understood the cyclops. All it does is make sure that you can ONLY read the date from a straight angle. How often do we do that anyway?
Hi , where did you get your wall clock ? Regards
No way. They didn't even finish painting the bezel!
Lucky Mr X, if he has the loose change to blow on a watch like this. If I was in his place I'd certainly not let Rolex get away putting out a watch at this price point having QC issues to that extent! 🤬
That led to my questions: he’s in SYD, AD in UK - so was the watch shipped to him? If so, maybe too much effort; but if as s longtime customer he picked it up in person and noticed, impossible to believe Rolex wouldn’t have corrected the issue.
@JOMW this video gave me idea... Could you make a video about how high the price of a watch could reach regarding to material+movement+work involved. And I'm not talking about using any luxury materials (like gold, silver, jewelry or whatever), just normal, but reliable materials usually used in the watch industry for the most high end watchmakers.
In my opinion, I doubt any watch over $500 can justify its price... but I'm not sure.
I’ve got the TT yellow gold ceramic and wear it everyday all day. Holds up very well, particularly the gold really stays nice
More value than a stainless sub for 10g's US I think. This at least has some gold in it.
That sounds like a miyota movement in that watch.
I have the gmt master II and I also noticed the misalignment on mine. I guess mine is a genuine Rolex too! Thanks for the vid.
The GMT Master ii was always my 'attainable grail', but the market prices in recent years are ridiculous. I also have the 116900 AirKing and spun the rotor to listen... was similar to the Omega. Shocking that Rolex has let these out the factory and will be checking all future purchases with a loupe! 😅😅
Come on Rolex , such a small but important statement of the way the world is going with marketing and relying on your rep. Get it together
If I have 20k laying around and I have to spend them on watches, I would get a Grand Seiko and Omega.
Thanks, nice review. I don't have these issues with my watch, but thanks for pointing them out
This bothered me a lot, so I re-watched your video. All the issue you pointed out are a real concern, they should not happen on a real Rolex. I would highly recommend that you have this watch checked out. Especially the line up and the noise, as well as the play on the bezel should never happen on a real Rolex!!
i have a red star with moon phase
sounds like rolex is matching the Chinese quality.
got Russian amfibia reef can't really hear the rotor, maybe they can get some help from Russia.
my Laco is awesome, fabulous quality the swiss could ask Germany for help.
until recently I was holding out for a sub.
the more i see the more i think omega is still the better choice .
you always have enjoyable content
Hmm, seems like Rolex is living a bit too well atm. Wouldn´t these things be fixed under warranty or goodwill? I don´t think the CEO would be satisfied with this quality as it endangers the brands image. Highlighting these issues for Rolex surely they should offer to fix them?
Jody is well know and respected in the watch community - curious if Rolex got in touch either after this review or the Batman review.
@@karlsenula9495 I´m just curious what Rolex response would be to Mr X. You shouldnt have to be famous to be well treated. I think even me as a "no one" should have the right to get these issues fixed for free even if it was my first Rolex.
@@bingoberra18 agree every customer should be treated the same but chances are Jody (because of the bad PR this can cause over time) is mostly likely to get a quick response from Switzerland ... the other question is whether Mr. X has been back to the AD to discuss these issues. Also if he has two Rolex's with the same QC issues is it even an issue for him - is it an issue for most of those who own Rolex's or are most just happy to have the name on the wrist?
@@karlsenula9495 Yeah I would feel cheated though if this is what I paid 20k for, I mean the whole point is to have great quality, thats what the name is built on and thats what they market it for.
Yes both the misalignment, relatively poor accuracy and rattling links would make me extremely upset if I had spent so much on a watch.
My guess is that as most of the people buying this wouldn’t necessarily be watch geeks, they probably wouldn’t notice these QC issues. Yes, it would be interesting to see what Rolex would do if Mr X complained!
"Worth" is very subjective, I don't ever dispute they're a great watch but for 20k GBP I could get the whole Omega '57 Trilogy set in the box. I'm not a Rolex fanboi but I get why people want Rolex, just categorically isn't for me, I'd rather have an AP, Patek or even just a JLC. EDIT: just a Grand Seiko to be honest.
I'm certain 95% of the watches Jody has reviewed over the years could be purchased for the cost of this watch.
GS for me too!
By coincidence, I was wearing my ancient Invicta pro-diver when the thumbnail for this video came up. My watch has fewer QC issues than the Rolex. Someday, I'd like a Rolex anyway, but since I have to wait anyway, I don't mind wearing an homage.
Wonderful review. This is the kind of critical commentary I am looking for as a potential buyer.
I totally agree with you Jody. What profit margins are they working on I wonder. If people only knew they probably wouldn't buy them. It's all a game really and one day everyone will wake up and smell the coffee. 🤔
AND, consider that Rolex is a Charity and pays virtually zero taxes!
All watches manufactures work on profits with many using slave labour components from China.
Unfortunately there’s always a new batch of new money posers to buy up everything Rolex spits out; many probably think there’s a battery inside.
Short of a long worldwide recession or world war, Rolex will be fine.
have to be honest that with solid caseback watches i kind of like having the rotor noise! its just a little quirk for me to feel like im "waking up" my watch so to speak
Each to their own I guess mate!
Me too. I like it when a Miyota goes "whir whir whir ... Zip"
Where did you get that Rolex wall clock??
hi i love the two tone .Is there anything similar for less than 350$?
Is it worth it? Not if you're sane.
It's only really worth $10,000, you say?!?! I think you're being extremely generous.
I'd heard the rotor on the new 32xx movements was really loud in comparison to the 3135 for example. My Sub's movement was the only one I never ever heard, which made me think Rolex had something over the other brands in that respect. Feeling and hearing a rotor on anything over a few hundred pounds is poor.
After watching the video I dug out my Rolex GMT bought in October 2012 and it has none of the defects mentioned. Looks like quality control was better back then or Rolex were actually caring about producing a superior watch.
Rolex stainless sports models are all gorgeous. You just have to hold the watch to appreciate the substance. I do not wish to own a Rolex as it would freak me out to wear it as a daily... not in terms of scratching it, but rather losing it or being mugged for it. I own a Tudor and that is pricy enough for me, but it does not stop me from admiring Rolex, Omega, et cetera.
If the Rolex branding was removed and you reviewed the watch objectively how much would you say it was worth?
Or more to the point, how much would you pay?
Exactly a point I have made for years on a Rolex. Those that love Rolex always give Rolex a pass on all what Jodie pointed out.
EXACTLY!
Why do GMT watches come with 24 click bezels? If it works for Adelaide on GMT+9.5, why not the quarter hour zones? How hard would it be to have 48 click bezel instead?
Have you seen new tisell pilot , explorer homage looks good for the money and good movement for the price