How Did Ancient Sparta Really Fall? | The Spartans | Odyssey
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2021
- The Spartans chronicles the rise and fall of one of the most extreme civilisations the world has ever witnessed. A civilization that was founded on discipline, sacrifice and frugality where the onus was on the collective and the goal was to create the perfect state, and the perfect warrior. Classical historian Bettany Hughes reveals the secrets and complexities of everyday Spartan life: homosexuality was compulsory, money was outlawed, equality was enforced, weak boys were put to death and women enjoyed a level of social and sexual freedom that was unheard of in the ancient world.
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Bettany Hughes is a superb historian and storyteller.
She’d get it
@@danielyerbme dream woman calibre
@@danielyerbme She'd get what?
You appear to have left the end of your sentence open my good friend.
For example:
"She'd get it 100% correct if she hosted another history show".
Or
"She'd get it but give it right back if you hassled her".
The woman in the red dress said it best.
You wouldn't throw her out of the bed for eating crisps either.
Everyone can appreciate a passionate person
I only recently discovered this channel. Working from home, this has been WONDERFUL.
Imagine being free of the yoke and the taskmaster.
F f fffc f f f
So basically you’re admitting to watching this channel instead of doing your actual work?
Not doing a great deal of work than
Working from home if you're watching this channel you're not doing much working get back to work boy
Love this woman’s work on Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt
I do too.
Love it! Bethany’s the best. Easy on the eyes as well.
Some would say Beautiful.
@@ss4650Yes ,some would.
I grew up watching history programs with narrator's such as Leonard Nimoy and Charleston Heston, it was always a good day when bettany made her appearances on my television lol
Peter Coyote.... the best narrator I've heard.
@@silverforest4682 I'll second that ;=)
The BBC do the best historical documentaries
Heston was quality. What a voice!
She's really a good presenter. And the background music is excellent as well.
She's pretty good, but I've seen better; some Medieval historians included...
She is a classical historian and this is a UK TV documentary....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettany_Hughes
@@kensin7244 thank you.🙂
Bethany is wonderful isn’t she and really brings history to life. Like you, I’m really liking the music.
I also really enjoy Professor Mary Beard, I would highly recommend watching a few of Mary’s documentaries if you are enjoying Bethany’s style. Take care and have a good day 🙂🐿
@@SecretSquirrelFun Squirrels are my favorite animals right along with dogs!😁 Thank you so much for the recommendation. Always trust a secret squirrel. 💗
Brilliant documentary from start to finish. Thanks.
Thanks for the video!
Absolutely FANTASTIC video!! Thank you so very much for putting it together and posting.
Great job! 👍👍👍
Always informative and enjoyable, many thanks 👏👏👏
You need to put in a few more adds, i actually had to watch some of the video for a while.
Agreed.,
Hahaha
blame you tube
Yeah! Terrible! More ads! :=)
Thnkx for the upload.
This was phenomenal. Everything was above and beyond. Had to pause the vid to say that...
Very informative documentary.
Bettany did such a wonderful job on this documentary. She does a wonderful job on all of her documentaries. Thank you so much for going back and going all out on history.
OMG. I love Bettany . Smart and beautiful.
That last summation was brilliant
Great job, and you're the best ever!
Adapt or die. Universally good advice. Historical truth. Great video.👍
One reason Sparta fell was due directly to the harsh method of training its young males to become warriors. They were promised nothing for all their suffering except the honor of dying in battle. The Theban warrior had an easier life which allowed for greater numbers. To win battles even if you have less experience, numbers can mean victory over a battle hardened unit of just a few hundred.
You obviously havent watched 300
The movie is a mythological joke.. well done but highly over exhaggerated..
@@krumplethemal8831 I forgot the smiley :)
It wasn't that the easier life enabled larger numbers, it was mostly that the Spartans were hopelessly xenophobic. One had to be born in Sparta to ever be trained as a peer. Which definitely enabled the Thebans to have greater numbers. Epominandas understood this and waged a war of attrition.
Not really tho by the time the thebans defeated Sparta it was actual due to them not having warriors of that calibre anymore. So instead had to increase numbers from less trained soldiers which wasn’t as effective. So in a sense your right due to the fact it wasn’t practical to maintain in the long run through various reasons, but wrong in the sense that they lost due to their methods of training, as the lack of it made them weaker and prone to defeat.
So interesting I had to watch it twice.
Very interestng history episode perfectly described
I have read Thucydides at least two times...excellent commentary...
Excellent storytelling. It is difficult to reduce all the details of this story to the important essentials.
This channel has help me keep my sanity during this quarantine.
If you want to see more of Bettany walking through fields, staring at mountains or the ocean while center screen stay tuned for the next Odyssey!
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Excellent!
Love it 💪🏽
Sparta was overwhelmed by its responsibilities after the war ended in 404...she also understood that the Greek world had changed in a fundamental way: naval power and the widespread use of mercenaries and the new peltasts as opposed to reliance on almost solely hoplites. Money was needed to maintain navies and mercenaries and Sparta's traditional economy and outlook re: money had grown not only archaic but dangerous to the state.
amazing docu
Excellent
14 adds on a 48min video, this is insane
Skip them dude
adblock . i havent seen an ad in Years and years .
Who watches YT without add blockers? I don't see any adds ever. Firefox browser and addblock
Thank you from 🇬🇷
Great information. I had no idea of their societies structure. Now things make much more sense here in the United States.
@@unicornsarereal2668 Sir our political structure originates from Indo European and Africa. Eqyptian taught the Greeks the Greeks taught the Romans. The Greek civilization had three classes of people. We’re basically running the same system the Greeks were using. Please study the Greek political and cultural structure. Then Study Rome. Finally study the Indo European political and cultural structure. All those systems failed because of their structure. The United States has followed in the Greek system. Once you understand the Greek system. You will understand why the United States is going down. The German Japanese Korean system is different. They will continue to succeed. So will the Scandinavian system. Learn the Western economic and social history. That system can only be sustained through subjugation of other nations. The United States has been in perpetual wars right from the beginning
I *liked* this video even as I had begun to view it, and why? Because of my positive memories, if dim, of its premier on American PBS TV a decade-and-a-half ago.
15 years or 2500 years -- the times are both extant and alien, when like as this the ancient past, of egos and _eidolons,_ is _also_ near and so very far away.
Again, thanks to all involved for making this extraordinary series available again, and for free.
Mmm..Bettany Hughes, yes please!
@Bob Carruthers Everyone ages
RUclips NEEDS TO GET A GRIP ABOUT ALL THESE ADDS EVERY THREE MINUTES !!!
Bravo ❣
interesting docu
..."Fatal flaw to pursue absolute perfection, Sparta made an enemy of Change itself"....Well, I'd say it is not a flaw to pursue perfection, though I don't recommend it, but rather to pursue what it means to be perfect would be better. The logic of pursuing perfection makes change a part of this pursuit. I don't follow her logic, except superficially, which would be to say that for one to be perfect, they must always be perfect...which we always say, no one is perfect. I think she is equating perfection with discipline. And Discipline, we know is good, and is what protects a man from himself. But then again, one could ask, "discipline as manifested how?" For example: Disciplined to always be kind or always to be mean or to always excercise the discernment between the two."
In context she means their idea of perfection.
They pulled those huge stone up those hills!
Sparta Schmarta... More Bettany!
Amazing documentary.
Also, Huges is like Nigella Lawson but for History and story telling.
I can see that resemblance.
'Not with a bang, but with a whimper'
any chance of adding more playlists
After Sparta collapsed: "This isn't Sparta!!"
Bettany Hughes is amazing. Hated history in school, my teacher was, to be politically correct, chubby and not intellectually gifted. This new format gives an amazing perspective
Politically correct? Why do I think you're telling a fib? More likely you just weren't very bright.
What "new" format. This is from early 2000.
@@Cheepchipsable The ''new format'' of presenting history as a tale of peoples and their story and deeds rather that a succession of dates and kings that one has to remember in order to pass an exam. Unfortunately I was in school before the 2000's
Lol how can hate history???
I love it.
@@davidhoward4715You must be stupid, every school is like that now, what, you think it just sprang out of nowhere🤦♂️
really 5 min of commercials every fu%king 30 sec of the actualt show.
You can skip past all the commercials n restart the show= no commercials
Lol
@@brianmorgan7680 oh my God that is genius, why am I just now discovering this
I coughed up the premium bc i got sick and fucken tired of raid, robinhood and what ever dumb shit was the ad cycle back then. Fuck ads bro for real
Stop bitching and pay for the content.
Man, when she says “cuckold” 😫
Damn. Baby got back!
The Spartans, Episode 3. Originally aired on Channel 4 in the UK.
It's annoying they don't connect the original series be name.
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Little too much of the ads, but thank you for uploading nonetheless.
I think you forgot to add an ad in between the ads...
Skip them... even the ones you normally can’t skip. Right next to the time on the bottom left you can click the little ‘I’ and just select report and ok or whatever pops up. You don’t even have to select a reason, just keep clicking away.
Saves a little time...
@@joshw9037 thanks!
Damn she is a gorgeous mind and a lovely story teller.
Yep she is :=)
I absolutely love your videos but I’m under the impression that I’m seeing the same episode under a different name
Most of the videos on this channel were uploaded to RUclips long ago on channels like Timeline. With less ads.
Yes Exactly
They ran critically low on hoplites and regulars because of their overly-selective membership criteria, which was based on blood ties.
Rome had a similar problem, but wisely addressed it by repeatedly expanding the eligibility for who could serve in their armed forces.
They trusted blood after seeing its red, they never approved of others but did accept if somebody accepted trial. Weirdos, but at times not exactly selective as war took many and claimed none.
This is… Sparta!
1:01 Oracle 7:04 Alcibiades 18:40 Lysander Alcibiades
Easy, their system for maintaining quality was so stringent that it was unsustainable. Quality is important, but so are numbers. You can eventually wear down a smaller force no matter how good they are. Once the Spartan system was put under stress, and numbers were needed, the Quality and devotion to the state declined. This lead to their decline and eventual fall.
Early squad
When was this documentary made?
17th Century Prussia under the leadership of Frederic the Great was strikingly similar to ancient Sparta. They called it a military with a country as opposed to a country with a military.
Frederic the Great ruled during the 18th century
this Assassin's Creed Odyssey game animation and graphic is amazing. what mod and EMB are being use?
Unfortunately the ancient Greeks were localists,, They loved their city and they hated their neighboring Greek city.
They didn't realize quick enough that the world was changing and Empires were formed.
Philip II of Macedonia united them at the end.
From what I gathered, the Spartan requirements for citizenship were so stringent that they all but depopulated themselves.
Love this lady.. she's great. Keeps your attention and really seems to know what she's talking about. Pretty, too..
I was intrigued by her story of the fate of the Syracusan Athenian troops taken prisoner, in October 413 BC. In 1967 I visited the greek theater cut out of the limestone hill over the caves the Athenians were kept in. It is my understanding the Greek prisoners built the theater. If that is correct, too bad it wasn't mentioned.
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@@jamesarmstrong5614 L?
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Why don’t we have sequels to 300 about this!?!?!!!!
Assassin's creed oddessy makes sense now!!
Great show and presentation! How can so much detail be known about the distant past? Especially when discusing obscure matters such as motives and emotions? Is it mostly guess work and interpritation?
Probably mostly educated guess work from writings of the times, described character traits, tradition and the fact people's motivations don't change that much throughout history.
This story makes me think of the old Tailor's maxim "Euripedes, you pay for these."
Sounds eerily familiar.
Congratulations !
Some more ads please, not enough ads in my history crumbels😡
14 ads though? -_- lol come on man thats a bit much
Sangwan Jat from India (Haryana)has the Spartan roots even my (jakhar/zakariyas) roots are from.mecedonia
Spartans? I click.
Ads? I leave.
Get RUclips Vance if you don't like ads.
Just click to the end of the video hit the replay button and they're gone.
Somewhere in Greece, 330 AD :
Greek 1: Listen, the Roman Empire changes, the capital moves to the Greek city of Constantinople, it is definitely no longer the Roman Empire we knew that conquered us, not to mention that with all these religious experiments it also risks collapsing. Don't you think its time for us to go back to our beloved city-states?
Greek 2: Are you nuts? No way! For as long I am concerned, I am Roman and glad about it!
You can’t be serious with the amount of commercials. That’s like peeing your audience in the face.
That is a turn of phrase I have never heard.
I’m sure RUclips will be in touch to tell you how you can eliminate commercials…
intelligent and beautiful too boot love these vids with Bettany
I love British narrators
To many ads
I just watched the original of this last night on the real RUclips channel
Whats the real RUclips channel?
@@vchill79 ruclips.net/video/zrQEsidSRHc/видео.html
Timeline sooo good!
How you going to put 12 ads on a 48 minute video smh
I listen in your voice.
Is this an old production or made recently?
Early 2000s.
Lycourgos is an obvious choice, not an "unpredictable" one
I can imagine the oracle telling them about the dark crystal...😁
5:07
I like what you did there...
Just get RUclips premium you cheapskates, never hear an ad again it’s awesome
Nothing material lasts forever, alas, the best of laws crumble in face of the bejeweled maiden of luxury, the boys and girls of Sparta enjoyed a memorable spell in the annals of human history. Top marks for uniqueness and aspiration to perfection and self-mastery, soiled, however, by the usual suspects of avarice, arrogance and an introspective deficiency...
Impressive.
@@HexenStar Regards!
Well the older Spartan men certainly enjoyed someones annals...
Well said.
where are the collages or superimpose infographics? . . chronologically?
I think the killing imperfect babies is a myth. Archeologist haven't found any skeletons where they were supposed to have left. Plutarch, our source for this idea, lived several hundred years after the fall of Sparta. Plus how do you decide what's imperfect?
Its a very good Point. As a mother i cant think calmly about that Horrors done to the Babies...
The same way wild animals do
They will abandon babies that aren't right physically or have brain defects
Euripides these pants? You own them.
An hour of mainstream commercial TV contains less ads than this.
ad blockers ftw ;-D
Jon..just ffw until about 10 seconds from the end..let it play till the end..x out and play again..no ads pal
Turn off autoplay..skip to the end and press the replay arrow
I would have hated been born in those days
Little to no wi-fi to speak off
Luck of the draw, am guessing it wouldn't of been too bad if you were born into the elite classes 🤔
I'd say the price of corn