I was a twat in my early service years and ended up Court Marshalled according. My fault entirely, awarded 56 days detention, but came back to mu unit stronger, fitter and wiser. Never screwed up again, it was a good lesson
On guard one night working the barrier in and out the barracks. One of our prisoner did a runner past me and I went after him and I caught him after about 100yds . I then get OCs and jankers for leaving my post . Only in the army !!
Sad to hear.... I once went in an RSMs office, I was a Cpl and said that you are charging the wrong person. A married Cpl had stopped a single pissed Pte from peeing on a SMQs flat stairway on a Friday night.... The Pte was not only out of bounds but giving a pads wide one. The Cpl was being done for fighting.... Needless to say the charge sheet was changed.... Eventually the Pte was dishonourably discharged for other things... He went on to murder!
One thing that struck me in the army was, no matter what the punishment, once it was over, it was over. You did your punishment, went back to work, and it was never mentioned again. Unless you repeated the offence, of course. I carried that through to civvy life. If I had to bollock my kids (rare, to be fair, but it happened) or anyone at work, I made sure I didn't harp on about it afterwards. It always stood me in good stead.
A very interesting talk about how the British Army deal with the "naughty boys" SM. When you mentioned Colchester it reminded me of a guy from our unit who had the surprise of his life. We were a territorial unit and every so often we were sent to Germany for a fortnight's annual camp. This guy in particular (big fella who also played rugby for the army) got a bit pissed up one night and basically lost the plot and started throwing his weight around. It took five or six guys to restrain him!! Cut a long one short, he got court-martialed (back in the UK) and low and behold got six months in Colchester! Apparently, he was the first ever territorial soldier to get sent down. He did the full sentence and only allowed out at weekends to play rugby for the army...
Never served in the armed forces, but this is why we in the UK are lucky to have the best armed forces in the world 👍 and a massive well done for 38 years service mate 👏👏
I did 23 years in the Royal Air Force. I was a bad lad from age 17 to 21..But then I went from there strength to strength. I was advised that I wasn't getting my LSGM..I was gutted. Apparently my annual assements went below a certain level at 4.5 years AFTER my trade training..I really feel that made me change my decision on staying in the RAF to age 55.. I get my RAF pension (and have received it for over 22 years). My aim..to stay alive as long as possible to get as much as I can out of the B*s*a*ds who witheld my LSGM!!
Lol....exactly the same happened to me in the Air Force. Between the age of 18 & 21, I was a typical lad. Grew up and later served with exemplary record. Suffice to say, even contrary to QRs, they withheld my LS&GCM. Tbh though, I look back and they can stick it where the sun don't shine!
I didn't really care about my LSGC MEDAL LOL.they can shove that 😂😂 but they gave me 2 good conduct stripes 😂😂😂 do you remember them??? And a long service medal with bars with a wee bronze leaf thing to go with NI MEDAL UN MEDAL .I don't even know were mine are in the attic I think along with my old dog tags I kept after they issued new ones to me
When i was a army brat in the early 70s we lived in Ilex close Colchester we used to run errands for the prisoners of the glass house to the local shop for 50p a time ,the back fence backed onto a wood . It was very lucrative and a fourtune for us kids .
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Just correct spellings lol,i was half a bottle of famous grouse in when i posted. Just to say my father was the Drum major of the 3rd RRF . I jioned at 17 while ,on a clarkes course ironically i did 7 days RP's myself .😀👍🏻👍🏻
I got my LSGC medal but less than a week later I got bust back down to full screw (corporal) for knocking out my Sqn Sgt Major. Kept my LSGC. I call that a win.
He was drunk & insulted my wife. He was warned on several occasions but kept insulting her & the friends we were with. Then he physically touched her. NO ONE touches my wife. I had to react, or he would have gotten worse. Even as I got bust back down to full screw the RSM & CO said they would have done the same. Just not in the sgts mess, with a room full of witnesses. I got out about 9 months later after a load of broken promises from the CO.
@@huggyonefulAnd bugger all happened to him for his grossly dishonourable behaviour ? . Sounds like your CO & RSM were as bad. Better off away from that shower of shit. Why didn't the "witnesses" tell it how it was ? ..
Dear Keith, here a few which may raise a smile: 1. Escort duty to Colchester. Marching with prisoner. A soft spoken kindly gentlemen (RSM/GSM?) told us Airmen to double time it whilst in his manor & he questioned our parentage, using colourful metaphors. How rude! I explained that we were prisoner escort. His reply dilligaf! 2. Working in HQ 4 Div, saw a pongo prisoner chained wrist & ankles on route to Courts Marshall Centre. Half a dozen red caps with clouting sticks & ready to use them. I didn't ask....... Conclusion: Why do I keep getting dicked for all the choice jobs (Never been on orders or fizz) - Crab Air Goody-Two-Shoes. Undetected crimes (LoL)....
Unfortunately I have been in the position of dealing with cases as CO and thankfully I was able to deliver fair justice, or at least I hope so. I was always conscious of the implications that charges and conviction have on the person and family. Sadly there were occasions where it went further. I also have the sad experience of serving on Courts Marshall. One of the better experiences is as an inspecting officer at Colchester. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you!
9 years in the RAF. 13 charges. 2 formal warnings and a 24 hour posting. Worse was getting banged up by the RMP in Belize. 3 days under close arrest. The RP loved it having a crab in the cells as you can imagine 😂
Classic .my old csm said to me do you except my award or face court martial???? I said you can't do that sir its not up to you OOPS WRONG THING TO SAY.punishment was administered accordingly. I bounced a cheque in Cyprus went on ocs he said 7 days ROPS then asked the csm why I was grinning???the csm said he can't fit them in because he is on guard every other day we don't have the man power .the oc said OK you can dig my garden I said OK sir .the csm said to me outside he can dig his own garden forget about it son you don't have the time with the rarden cannon training most of the day cheers sir and I walked off
I remember a CO who kept his aggressive dog in his office during orders.... If the dog growled during sentencing, the accused was given extras.... The dog ended up getting shot in the bollox.
Glad to see you again out on the pavements boss, got myself out on a short 3 miler yesterday because I've been sat around way too long. Hope you're doing good. Can say the only charge I ever got was for public urination against the scoff house, got a night in the cells to sober up and nothing much else.
Marched in by a trainee Sgt. He made a right mess of it. Officer told him to march me out and do it again. 4 times. Then the Officer read out my 'details' No sir that not me. Same name wrong number. March him out. Bit of a wait. Marched back in. Nope Sgt got it wrong again. Out, Back in Charges read ( I'd not shaved properly for muster parade) Guilty , Weeks Ropes. Sgt got the same for messing the 'parade' up :)
Irish army here, same 38 years service like you but under my contract I can serve until I’m 60 (I’m 58 now). Never been charged except for kit deficiencies, some of the terminology is different here but otherwise punishment is pretty much the same. If you’re detained you forfeit your pay, I think that goes for married soldiers too but thankfully I’ve only ever seen a married soldier lock up once (that was in Lebanon). Love your chats, when I’m out walking the dog at night I often think I’d love you to have a podcast for company.. for us older soldiers can you do a chat on coming to terms with retirement and after retirement, I’m having a hard time getting my head around it (please)
Martin, thank you for your kind words. Yes, I have found it very difficult adjusting, I've tried many ways of dealing with it, so yes good idea I will do a video chat about my struggle.
Did you ever serve on the Curragh. I was born in a cottage on the Curragh. In the camp there is a memorial to one of my uncles killed in the war disarming a mine.
@@bigmartin Hi Martin it is long gone it is was by the crossroads in Walshestown . I have not been over for a few years now I still have lots of relatives in Newbridge and Killcullen I am sure at some time you have downed a pint in the Hideout which was a family haunt my dad worked in there 40 and 50 before we came to England. You should look up the memorial to a Jim Keogh.I have never seen it but intend to have a look. I would like to pay my respects as a soldier and don my head dress and salute. which is a red beret could I get my self into trouble by doing that?
The people I work with now couldn't believe the discipline. We were having a discussion on Sunday night/Monday morning anxiety and I said that was nothing compared to Monday morning inspection on the parade square, usually furnished by the RSM. He would decide which Sqn to inspect and you would pray it wasn't yours!. Then when he did inspect your squadron the marching away to the Guardroom would begin. I did all the silly contrived accents and (quiet) shouting that went with it and had them all in stitches. But it didn't really get across the anxiety Monday morning parade created, a bad one could ruin your month!
Great videos mate, 38 years service is amazing- I regret never having the balls to join up, love these videos and admire all that did and still do- awesome tales of service and put across in a fun way, keep ‘em coming!
I was on guard duty, and during my stint on the main gate I foolishly left my eating irons and mug on my pit. When I was relieved and got back inside the guard room they had vanished. Next day was a kit inspection and I was put on orders for having missing kit. Up in front of the OC he said I was guilty of putting temptation in the way of fellow soldiers and intimated that if it happened again the answer was to nick someone else's. I got 7 days jankers as a result. I made sure it never happened again.
Not sure why but I am strangely pround that my Certificate of Service booklet ( still have it after 50 odd years ) states my military conduct as " Exemplary " I was never 252'd came close once or twice though.
lol. My first day in battalion. 1 Queens. No 2’s first parade. I was fresh out of Bassinbourne Bks. My kit was crisp. Boots bulled to a very high standard. Shaved twice. Chin checked by NCO Lcpl sheldrake. CSM Lewis brought us to attention. Being 6”4’. I was right hand marker. A young dark haired grunt. He went straight for the chin. Grabbed it, and pulled his thumb down. Then came the call. Belt & Beret off. “Get him away!!” I’d gone through my basic training without a blemish. I was doubled around the drill square at Tidworth, then to the Guardroom. Where there I polished the floors on my hands and knees and then ceiling . Using the old school bumbers. Character building. Good bit of fitness. Then up in front of the OC Maj Eagan. For another bollocking. I loved my time in the army
After my mother decided to emigrate to South Africa in 1980 I became a conscript to the SA army. was called up in 1983 and had 2 callup instructions. One was for the 5th Infantry the other was for the Medics. I chose the medics and turned up . I must say I did not want to be there. I was a bad boy and went awol . Sent to DB in Pretoria. when I returned to my Barracks after the "award" I was unable to complete my driver training and was sent to my allocation as a dogsbody. my Sargent was a scotsman and hated the English. Spent many hours on GD and in the local Cells. The conscription was for 2 years but due to time in DB i ended up doing 2.5 years due to added on time. was my fault for not towing the line. your vids remind me of those times.
My dad served in the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, & was in NI (before the troubles). One bloke broke into the RSMs office & shat on the map of Palace Barracks in Hollywood. I think he was DD’d.
I got 28 days in colly when serving at Canterbury 1pwrr....had a scrap in training and got the sentence when i was fresh in my unit! Came out fit though and had a great crack!
You should do st John Moore barracks in Winchester,light division depo,and peninsula barracks Which is now our regimtal museum,great channel mucker have shared it with some of the other veterans,subs incoming lol
That's awesome, thank you so much. I have visited that location about 10 years ago. Fantastic museum. I also noted there was an AG Corps museum inside the old guard room. I will definitely try and get there. Have always respected the Light Infantry....Swift & Bold.
Did 28 days in Winchester gaurd room , was the fittest I’d ever been , RPs at first we’re bastxds ,but after a while had good crack ,sec 38a army act1955 no requests no complaints ,good days , yep went AWOL ,for funeral 🙄
Thanks for the heads up. I think that the really bad boys could be sent to HM prison Shepton Mallet’ which had a Provost Section running the Military Wing. Where as Colchester Glasshouse was more dispensary Re training. They did have a Glasshouse in Singapore! Not that I went there 🤔😁👍
AGAI - Army General and Administrative Instructions. Came out about 1978/79. They took over from DCIs - Defence Council Instructions. Sick of reading them in case they affected us (plural).
Got collared a couple of times as Prisoner Escort on the military flights back to Germany from Luton Airport. One had gone AWOL the second had a fight back in the UK on leave. Never acknowledge my name after that when they asked at the gate if I was there.
I was posted to Roman Barracks, immediatley across the road from Colchester Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC). Attached to the infantry, 1st Bn. POWO Regt of Yorkshire, every Friday afternoon everyone, except sick lame and lazy had to do a cross country run and get back before the CO. If not you did not get the weekend off. Every Friday the same, run around the perimeter of MCTC, bloody knacking, big perimerter.
Do you remember changing parades, went on for an hour changing from one kit to another ie pt kit to combat dress, to no2s etc last ti appear got extras , hard work if you were on the top floor, used to jump one flight of stairs in one go! Couldn't do it now lol. Dover junior leaders ,Old Park barracks, mid 70s
💯 m8 me and this other guy coming out the block doors at the same time wearing number 2s putties and cefo tripped over each other landed in a heap much to the amusement of cpl.dent sent us back in for barrack dress pt pumps red pt vest and tin lid 😂😂😂🎉 he was a real.humanaterian that was 1977
The court martial has 3 Ruperts acting as magistrates. If you’re in MCTS and awaiting discharge then it’s very relaxed. Might have a few classes to prepare you for being a civy. I think I got my basic food handling certification. Which was nice!! Locked up for 12-16 hours a day. No inspections just one parade in the morning. A couple of fellow prisoners had to do 6 months and then serve 4-5 years in a HMP. Oh and the food was worse than at basic!
I had left the RAF in 1982, was with MOD based at Catterick Garrison. As I recall this apparently happened at Vimy Barracks. Some sheet was caught red handed with property that was not his. He was taken to the top floor of one of the barrack blocks. A metal locker appeared. He was made to put his hands in the door jamb of a room, the door slammed shut and his screams ignored. Then put in the locker, door closed. Locker 'walked' to the top of the stairs, and pushed over. Hits the landing, stood up - upside down, repeated all the way down. The sheet was dragged out of the wrecked locker, and dumped outside the guard room 'unseen' by anyone including the sentry. Ends up in DKMH, treated and sent back to Vimy. A few weeks later he was arrested in Richmond by the Plods - caught red handed breaking into a car. I believe he was given the big boot!
Show Parades...I served in a guards regiment (2CG) back in the mid 70's and our show parades were called 3 0' clocks. You paraded in the order you were stopped in by the inspecting officer, mostly guard order if you'd been (stopped as it was called) on the inspection on the guard mount. Your name and what you was stopped for was put into the book by the Sgt In Waiting and you ended up on 3 O' clocks. These parades were on a Friday afternoon which totally cocked up your plans of a weekend getaway also if the Piquet Officer who did the inspection stopped you again for something else wrong with your turnout, you got the parade again the following week.
Had a few of those, do you except my award on BC orders, luckily enough most our BCs in 29, were easy going, however we caught a young Gnr when in Norway deployment nicking money +shit and we offered him 10 minutes in room with Bdr's and not reported and the soldier of course he chose, the 10 mins option, however he was a scallywag +got binned eventually Great vids bud 😀
I can still remember the CO’s words after I said I accepted his award “ I award you a £500 fine and a severe reprimand. March him out RSM”. 1989 and £500 was a lot of money but the severe dig was the killer. Managed to pick myself up and soldier on and still had a good career reaching WO2 but spent a lot of time in the wilderness. At the 22 year point I still only had 12 clean years so no LS&GC
Can't vouch for it personally, but during my "Wehrdienst" someone told how a guy, on his last day of conscription, burst into his OC's office, shouted "Reserve, du Latte!" (lit: "Reserves, you slat!" ("Latte" being a popular insult in the day)) and slammed the door shut. The OC simply walked to the door, opened it and called after him: "Einundzwanzig!" or 21. Meaning that the guy was now in for 21 days of detention over and above his regular time. On his last day. Talk about calling it too early.
I spent several breaks in the unit guard room and can still remember the spill for the orderly officers inspection: Sir I am Rfn Name, sentenced to 28 days for What ever, I have no requests or complaints Sir.
Sir I am (number) Sig (name), charged under section (number) of the Army Act 1959 (?) in that I at (place) on the (date) did (name of offence). I was awarded (number) days detention by Commanding Officer (regiment). I have no requests or complaints, Sir. I'm not giving specific details lol but obviously I was SUS at one stage hence I know it off by heart still, after more than 30 years.
I had the honour to serve with a then RSM, he was ex SF.... We wrote a 'letter' as to why he should be granted his LSNGC... If memory serves he did get it... And went on to be a major. He was a really good egg, but took no crap!
Mentioned this on a previous video...I was court martialled on my birthday..December 81for an incident in a bar that spilled over into the camp in Germany...got a 4 month sentence in MCTC and dismissed with Disgrace...never looked back...worked on building sites...went to university... became a secondary school teacher...retired to Spain...statistically I suppose I should be a homeless alcoholic...my court martial was a kangaroo court as Thatcher defence cuts dictated all offences involving violence and drunkenness were automatically a discharge offence...
George you've done very well for yourself mate, and as you say if things had gone differently you may well be worse off....its all fate I suppose. Thank you for sharing your story.
Colchester is known as MCTC or Military Corrective Training Centre. And soldiers can be awarded up to 96 days before administrative discharge where you could be then imprisoned to complete your sentence in a civvy snatch!!!
Another great video, thank you for sharing. A mate of mine who has recently come out of the army told me once about a time he got into it in a pub with an officer. The next day said officer inspected him on parade with a black eye, but didnt say anything about what had happened. according to my mate, if it happened off the base, its not for the army to punish. does that sound right to you, or do you think at least in your day that would have been a punishable offence?
I've heard of a very similar incident, again between an officer and a private soldier, the officer got a bit if a pasting by the private down town and was too embarrassed to take it any further and no action was ever taken. Thank you for commenting 🙏
What used to annoy me - if you had an expensive accident in an Army vehicle you had to before the OC on a charge for them to get you to pay for it. I saw this on one occasion, the chap accepted that he ought to pay but they had to charge him to get it. I have suspected that cannot be right, but that was how he explained it. A disciplinary solution was the only option.
I was at Old Park Bks Dover. J/Spr late 60’s once did a changing parade in winter after diving through my dressing up box numerous times we ended up in mess tin order two mess tins dangling off your stable belt with best ammo boots on… Think the junior NCO dropped a bollock for that.. but that week we all got to see Zulu in mess hall.
I got 14 days after a shooting incident.We called it DB-Detention Barracks.My one buddy got 28 days at Brady Barracks DB for sleeping on guard duty.He had to do the assault course twice a day as part of his punishment.He was kept in a cell where you couldn't stand up with a black tin roof to make you feel you are in a bloody sauna.Rhodesian Army was tough.Our SELOUS SCOUTS are testament to that fact.
I was in mctc for a period of 60 days soldier on for 7 months AWAL I was lucky because it was normally a day for a day I was in with some lads who had been absent for 4 years and got 6 month sentences and were RTU. 2 years is the longest you can serve in mctc I was there in 2002 it’s just like phase 1 training but you locked up at night it bad to say but I enjoyed it because your with people from other units and with a wide array of experiences we were even trained on the green goddesses because of the fireman strike of 2002
I frequented the glass house often and had a set of kit that I would take in mirror finished mess tins boot brushes that were buled up polish tin shinny no paint shaving foam the same etc etc did a two month stretch at one point. The guys in 1WFR may well remember me 😂😂😂
I was given 140days district court martial,in 1981,went to mctc,i found it better than being in my guards battalion guardroom,i remember as a soldier under sentence in guards guardroom in germany,wearing notwo dress ammo boots wearing full webbing and wearing your tin pot being rifted around the square,these days i remember a couple of blokes being put on a reduced diet in guardroom as a punishment
Punishment in the infantry often just involved a few punches to the head or being thrown in the cells and beasted for a couple hours by the RPs. They tried not to charge people for minor offenses. If we were bang to rights (we invariably were) most of us preferred to be taken around the corner and given a few digs. It hurt, but that was the end of it. Formal punishments involved a lot of aggravation and hassle and too many recriminations.
Many soldiers don’t know that officer cadets are treated like private soldiers before they’re commissioned. Officer Cadet Bob was put on show parades a few times and I was 252’d once under Section 69 (as it then was). Several guys were jailed off the square for carp drill. A common offence was a ‘Zebedee’. All our drill instructors were Household Division and we were required to have one gloss painted SLR mag (plus TWO bayonets, one matt for field work, one painted and polished for parades). By the early 1980s the shiny magazines were very old, and had had nearly 30 years of officer cadets taking the base plate off (as ordered by the same SNCOs) in order to put a couple of coins inside to make it rattle more. Problem came on the command ‘Order Arms!’ when, inevitably, someone’s magazine would fall apart and the spring would bound out ‘boing’! (Hence ‘Zebedee’)
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd when it happened to a future Household Cavalry officer there was a ‘Corporal Major’ DS on the square. He told the guilty OCdt to go and apologise to Queen Victoria (her statue faces Old College). Off he marched. He put his feet in in front of the statue. Saluted. Spoke to her. Saluted again. About turned. But, instead of returning to his platoon he started to march off to our lines in New College. The SNCO screamed at him to return… “Where the ^%< do you think you’re going Mr X”? “Well Staff I did what you said, but her Majesty said it was quite alright and I could have the rest of the day off…” He got the day off… :)
Morning mate. Good video. Just wondering what badge is on your beret...? Thought it might be Royal Anglian, given your neck of the woods, but doesn't appear so
The outcome for the same offence depended on if your face fitted , for a minor could get fine , extra duties or combination of both. If they didn't like you they got a PTI to run you round an airfield with a rifle above your head and then told to assume the stress position till you passed out or the PTI got bored. Escorted a prisoner to Colchester once, scary guard commander made everyone jump when he shouted at prisoner to stand to attention on the line , never saw a building so polished
There was a labour MP called Boeteng who specialised in military law and was engaged by many soldiers up on court martial, he never lost a case, everyone he represented was aquited.
I once had to do 2 weeks as the Court Orderly Sgt at the Court Martial Centre in Hohne. Of all the case's that came through only one was found guilty, and only because he put his hands up to it. The RMP's fucked up all the evidence on the others. Also saw one lad get his stripe back after his CO had done him twice for the same offence. I think he was the only soldier ever to be promoted in a Court Martial.
Does anyone remember the old catch all “silent something”? I can’t remember the second word. It wasn’t disobedience but similar. The old nut is getting on. 🤷🏻♂️
May have changed but again 67 doesn't go infront of the OC anymore, usually just given it to sign by who ever is issuing the agai and your certainly not being sent to the cells for any amount of time on an agai, something like that would be a formal charge through the OC, the OC wouldn't get involved in an agai because it usually only involved 6 and 10 parades
In Canada: I got charged with 129 conduct unbecoming, resulting from a fight with multiple civilians after one of the civilians punched my mate in the face at a bar, at a bar we where forbidden to go to and at that time we were forbidden to leave the base. I got 14 days “confinement to barracks, extra work and duties” known as defaulters and a $400 fine. During defaulters we had to stay at the battalion, got fed from the cook house, did every shit job like scrubbing the walls, nightly inspection of all kit and fighting order, weapon etc. one guy who no one liked was on defaulters with me, duty sergeant found a discarded crushed pop can in his kit bag, it was batted back at him by his drill cane. I and other where like holy s*** how in the F could that be there. A minute later they “found” rust on his bayonet and charged him again. We worked so much I was clever and ordered pizza to compound fence, I got away with that 4 times.
Haslar detention Centre was brutal. Physical training ever day .all day .all weather's. 3mths .Got so many muscles they had to issue me with new bigger kit. Lol.Gary ex RMR. .But it made me a better person.
" March the guilty Barsteward in Sergant Major" .... did 4 Court Marshalls as SNCO court orderly, 4 officers and a judge advocate on the panel. Latter in my carerer did 8 months attached to MCTC A wing was "soldier on" D wing - Discharge after completeing your "award". terrible place lots of permannt staff with big ego's. and even bigger gobs. A wing was a return to basic training on completion came out a better soldiers or even more pissed off with Forces one or the other
On Spring drills in Chelsea Barracks. The Drill Sgt comes over to me. "Where did you get that hair from?" "I grew it sir." says I. "Well go and tell the Police Sgt." So off I double, in my No2 dress and rifle to the guard room. "What the eff do you want Smudge?" he says. "Driller says to show you my hair." I laughed. "Right plonk your arse in the kitchen for an hour. Can't give you a cell. They're all full."
Royal Signals 1973-76. Maximum possible award from Squadron Cmdr 1 weeks RP's and/or £30 fine (about a weeks pay. My pay rate in my last years was £5.36 per day including trade pay). CO's orders maximum possible award 28 days detention served in unit guardhouse. Court Martial. Maximum sentence at MCTC 10 months and if that long almost certainly a dishonourable discharge. OC's orders always told "Will you accept my award or got for CO's orders" I got done (af252) 6 times in 3 years for a mixed bag of offences but never punished beyond OC's order level. The key seemed to that if you went NFI and played up keep it low key so that you were only punished at Squadron level. Under the terms in which I signed up it was a bit of a con. The 'Join the professionals' campaign of the early and mid 70's advertised 3, 6 or 9 year options. What they didn't tell you was that after your time with the colours you did the rest on the reserve for either a total of 22 years or your 45th birthday. I consider I finally became free of the army in 1999 when I was 45 and got a discharged notice. After training on the old Larkspur radio system as an RTG posted to a Divisional Signal Regt and spent all my time doing menial jobs unless on exercise. Glad I only did the 3. Was bored out of my bin.
Contracts must have changed somewhat. In 1960 it was 3, 6 or 9 yrs with 9, 6 or 3 yrs Reserves. Then clear of commitment or a straight 12. Then if you really liked it, sign for steps of 3 yrs to 21 yrs and out at 22. More if you were prepared to drop a rank and what ever job was going for steps of 2 yrs max. on to age 55 (Full Career).
Normally yes, especially if it was a z Tab that was part of our regular tests. However on many occasions whilst on exercise Tabs were at night. Thank you for the question.
While serving in Berlin, we mixed well with the Americans, they gave me some liquid for my boots to parade in the morning. On Adjutants parade I stood with boots gleaming, the officer followed by the RSM inspected the front rank where I proudly stood, when he got to me he asked “Did you bull your boots” I had to tell the officer the truth, “No sir” I explained the liquid I received from the Americans, he informed the RSM “Charge this man with defacing the queen’s leather” so with this charge I received 7 days RP’s. Now being in the boxing team and breaking the Provost Sergeant’s nose during training with the team, as he was giving the lighter weight boxers a hard time, this did not sit well with me, so when I spared with him I gave justice for the smaller lads, the company CSM loved it and shook my hand. When on RP’s I had an easy time, they all loved the boxing clash I had with the Provost Sergeant, and in all fairness he took it well :)
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd sgt bob Street provost sgt in catterick 2 RRF every one thought he was tosser I thought he was great seemed to like me giving out the bin bags for area cleaning had an expletives for every one he gave a bin to except me he called me m8 see the looks I got cheers Bob RIP
@@philhunter9158 💯 guys used klear to.ian was right I had forgotten about it .I could think of the stuff in plastic bottle u used to clean your gas parts or cheated lol it was called jello I think I had a bottle in my respirator bag and guess what ???it burst I only noticed when my plt commander said gas gas gas he flipped off the grid my ears are still ringing 47 years later he still let me pass out forgave me eventually. Even though he threatened to drown me in the stinking dirty water pit coz he said I dropped the log the heavy wooden one lol I know it wasn't me apportion blame else sir I think I muttered.
I actually asked for a District Court Martial once purely because I was being stitched up something rotten by an arsehole CQMS. They all knew he was stitching me up and put me on orders anyway, so I thought fuck it, when I was asked, "Do you accept my award or do you want a district court martial?", straight away I said court martial sir. I was dragged outside and had them all bollocking me at once trying to get me to take his award but I wouldn't budge. Went back in and still insisted on a court martial. If it had gone to court martial they'd have looked like twats because I hadn't done anything wrong and they knew it so the whole matter was dropped. My name was shit with the Head Shed for quite a few months after that but I called their bluff and it worked. I bumped into the CQMS a few years later after he'd got out and I was quite happy to tell him what a C**t I thought he was.
Matthew that is a great story mate and well done for sticking to your guns, it couldn't have been easy with all those around you with rank pushing you to take the COs award. Thank you for sharing it 👍
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd The story didn't end there. Years later he was a civvy and I was on the RP staff. I happened to be duty copper one night and this bloke turned up wanting to park his car for free while he went out with his wife. The guard commander said yeah no problem, I'll just clear it with the RP. I came out and said yeah no problem he can park his car.....in the NCP car park down the road. Have a nice night.
Remember once getting a vale syste. Wrong. Chief of boat made me trace and draw the whole system in my off duty time. And then explain it to him how it works.
The second charge, we where in a camp supporting a course, it was a friends birthday party. I was nicely drunk on crown royal (no problem), got back to my rack and was sleeping (all good). Problem was some other idiot pulled the fire alarm. Then the problem was I was drinking rye so I’d figured I’d make an emergency number 2, before having to fork up outside. I did that and passed out mid crunch, to be woken up by the fire marshal and RPs. Then got outside to receive a good jacking. The next day along with several others I believe 14 guys got charged for various things. I used a pay phone and spoke to council (Ajag) he said he found out that the CO was going to go hard. So prior to the summary for 129 conduct unbecoming trial they offered me election to court marshal, because the CO wanted extensions to his powers of punishment including detention barracks (jail). I elected court Marshall, then got another jacking from my CSM, basically saying I’m finished. The charges got stayed in the end because the original charge said ‘private ****** failed to evacuate building ** during a fire alarm… because he had been drinking” what stayed the charge was I did indeed evacuate the building, just not very quickly or well. Another chap heeded to the pressure and plead guilty because he was unable to escort the idiot who pulled the alarm to cells cause he was drunk, he got 28 days in prison. Then I no longer got in trouble anymore, or at least got caught
As SSA 1BW in Warminster, part of the Alf Garnett Commandos, I remember manually typing AFB 252s for the Adj till my fingers bled. The Scots loved us, Happy Dayz !
Show Parade: Show Bedding, Wardrobe and 1157 gear…….. One well known Corporal, 7 Royal Irish, 4th Generation Soldier, joined as a Boy Soldier at 15 in 1969, went to the Gordon Highlanders as his father was a Captain (QM) in our Regiment. The Gordons rioted in Singapore as the last British Battalion there before leaving. The ANZAC MPs were sent down to sort the Jocks out. This Corporal was found fighting and threw into the back of a lightweight Landy. Rehearsal for St Patrick’s Day Parade 1995. He was the senior Corporal in Battalion and the leading Bugler. CO asks him “Cpl C, where’s your LSGC?”. “Got caught as a youngster Sir” “Awk Cpl C, we all did stupid things back then, don’t you worry, I’ll get the RAO on it and I’ll write a letter for you!” Quote: “I wouldn’t bother yer arse Sir”……. I was standing beside him. Cpl C was the Movement Control NCO and I went to book a patrol out with him when I heard the Adj call him to the CO’s office, he went and all we heard was “ATTEMPTED FECKING MURDER Cpl C?!!!!!!!!” When Cpl C woke up in the Landy he escaped from it, still moving, by punching the driver and threw him out the door! Charged with attempted murder, dropped to Actual Bodily Harm, escape from lawful custody etc. 18 months Stonecutters Island in Hong Kong. He did well and was allowed Soldier On on appeal. Left the army with 24 years Adult Service (only got paid for 22!), joined the Corps of Commissioners, they found out about the time in klink, rejoined the TA(!) as Permanent Guard Force and served until 63! He only died last year and he was my best mate. I promise you that this is a true story. If there any Royal Irish here they’d know him to see if not by name. Particularly Band, Bugles, Pipes and Drums Royal Irish. God bless you Charlie, he got me through my Pot NCOs and Junior Breacon. A soldier of another Generation, he should have been fighting the Zulu’s! I’ll try to find a video of us. Wait out. Ian
ruclips.net/video/cjDXWPW9f9s/видео.htmlfeature=shared 00:54 01:36 the big fella closest to the camera 02:50 They said the dancers were from Edinburgh. This wasn’t true. These lasses were from all over Ireland but due to the political and security situation in 1999 they couldn’t announce that.
Morning muster 1977 Bassingbourn guy had marello on his boots plt sgt jumped on them then that evening after training made him.drag his bed space on to the middle of the parade square bed locker bedding the whole caboodle 😂😂😂😂😂😂 any one knows Bassingbourn??he had to take it from the JS BLOCKS not the troggs blocks facing the square he never made that mistake again
Guilty until proven innocent. OC's was always on the last Friday of the month in my lot. I was only charged twice in ten years, five days RP's for the first one, second charge was actually dismissed. I knew a few lads who were sent to Colly, only one went twice. And unlike civvies, soldiers can be charged twice for one offence. By civvy court/police and then by the Army. Section 69, dontcha just love it?
CONDUCT TO THE PREJUDICE OF MILITARY DICIPLINE AND GOOD ORDER, contrary to Section 69 Army Regulations Act 1969 in that he, at day date place and time. Oh how we loved the olde 252s.😅
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd in the Household Division we had a saying, if you did something wrong then you"LOST YOUR NAME" this went back to the days that you had a brass name plate on your locker, if you did anything wrong or your kit was in bad order, it would be taken from you. You then marched in front of the Adjutant or Company Commander at a rapid rate of knots the get punished and Earn it back. Rather as strange one in the Grenadier Guards as the Company Commander of the Queens Company was Her Majesty, it's now the King.
we used to call the prisoners in BN the red helmet display team..... I had 14 days in nick while waiting for a court martial desition to be made and they ended up sending me home after being awol 3 months
Red helmet display team, awesome. I remember on a course, can't remember which course but who ever f@cked up that day had to wear a steel helmet painted pink the next day lol 😆
I had a collision with a German motorist which resulted in my Land Rover being written off ( his fault..several witnesses), I was put on a charge and found not guilty !
252 get your rate of pay so you can be fined accordingly. Mine was you at fallingbostel on the 22 September 1980 did so with out reasonable excuse fail to attend the 1355 muster parade a parade which your duty required you to attend bang £50 march out.
In the US FORCES it almost the same as you blokes in the UK forces low level is offices hours or ART 15 UCMJ , then 3 types of court marshals by the way what Jankers and OC means thank mates just old yank
Jankers was an old saying, even before my time, it's basically slang for fatigues, OC is Officer Commanding . Thank you for commenting it's appreciated 👍
@sandemike I remember the Flying TIGERS dropped in from a Puma and presented Diana with a special made cap badge. But all the rehearsals were a pain, something like two weeks of drill practice
I was a twat in my early service years and ended up Court Marshalled according. My fault entirely, awarded 56 days detention, but came back to mu unit stronger, fitter and wiser. Never screwed up again, it was a good lesson
On guard one night working the barrier in and out the barracks. One of our prisoner did a runner past me and I went after him and I caught him after about 100yds . I then get OCs and jankers for leaving my post . Only in the army !!
Should have got a commendation but you're right typical army.
Sad to hear.... I once went in an RSMs office, I was a Cpl and said that you are charging the wrong person. A married Cpl had stopped a single pissed Pte from peeing on a SMQs flat stairway on a Friday night.... The Pte was not only out of bounds but giving a pads wide one. The Cpl was being done for fighting.... Needless to say the charge sheet was changed.... Eventually the Pte was dishonourably discharged for other things... He went on to murder!
We had a guy who’d had a very long time on RoPs literally do a runner. He was so fit after his RoPs none of the RP shift could catch him :)
Didnt the escort going to "tapping boards" have to be the same rank?
LoL , 🤣 horrible gits !
One thing that struck me in the army was, no matter what the punishment, once it was over, it was over.
You did your punishment, went back to work, and it was never mentioned again. Unless you repeated the offence, of course. I carried that through to civvy life. If I had to bollock my kids (rare, to be fair, but it happened) or anyone at work, I made sure I didn't harp on about it afterwards.
It always stood me in good stead.
A very interesting talk about how the British Army deal with the "naughty boys" SM. When you mentioned Colchester it reminded me of a guy from our unit who had the surprise of his life. We were a territorial unit and every so often we were sent to Germany for a fortnight's annual camp. This guy in particular (big fella who also played rugby for the army) got a bit pissed up one night and basically lost the plot and started throwing his weight around. It took five or six guys to restrain him!! Cut a long one short, he got court-martialed (back in the UK) and low and behold got six months in Colchester! Apparently, he was the first ever territorial soldier to get sent down. He did the full sentence and only allowed out at weekends to play rugby for the army...
It's good to know that if needed the system does include the punishment as for a regular soldier
Never served in the armed forces, but this is why we in the UK are lucky to have the best armed forces in the world 👍 and a massive well done for 38 years service mate 👏👏
Richard thank you for your kind words and support it's much appreciated
I did 23 years in the Royal Air Force. I was a bad lad from age 17 to 21..But then I went from there strength to strength. I was advised that I wasn't getting my LSGM..I was gutted. Apparently my annual assements went below a certain level at 4.5 years AFTER my trade training..I really feel that made me change my decision on staying in the RAF to age 55.. I get my RAF pension (and have received it for over 22 years). My aim..to stay alive as long as possible to get as much as I can out of the B*s*a*ds who witheld my LSGM!!
There us maybe a case for splitting the medal, i.e. a long service medal and a Good Conduct Medal?
Lol....exactly the same happened to me in the Air Force. Between the age of 18 & 21, I was a typical lad. Grew up and later served with exemplary record. Suffice to say, even contrary to QRs, they withheld my LS&GCM. Tbh though, I look back and they can stick it where the sun don't shine!
I didn't really care about my LSGC MEDAL LOL.they can shove that 😂😂 but they gave me 2 good conduct stripes 😂😂😂 do you remember them??? And a long service medal with bars with a wee bronze leaf thing to go with NI MEDAL UN MEDAL .I don't even know were mine are in the attic I think along with my old dog tags I kept after they issued new ones to me
@@roberthewer2268 so many great soldiers don't hold an LSGC medal.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd lol I was general Montgomery in my head keith
When i was a army brat in the early 70s we lived in Ilex close Colchester we used to run errands for the prisoners of the glass house to the local shop for 50p a time ,the back fence backed onto a wood . It was very lucrative and a fourtune for us kids .
Cracking story Ray, thank you
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Just correct spellings lol,i was half a bottle of famous grouse in when i posted. Just to say my father was the Drum major of the 3rd RRF . I jioned at 17 while ,on a clarkes course ironically i did 7 days RP's myself .😀👍🏻👍🏻
@raymondpiper8294 love a nip of the grouse myself, no worries and well done mate 👍
I got my LSGC medal but less than a week later I got bust back down to full screw (corporal) for knocking out my Sqn Sgt Major. Kept my LSGC. I call that a win.
So do I Ken, nice one 👍
Why did you hit him?
He was drunk & insulted my wife. He was warned on several occasions but kept insulting her & the friends we were with. Then he physically touched her. NO ONE touches my wife. I had to react, or he would have gotten worse. Even as I got bust back down to full screw the RSM & CO said they would have done the same. Just not in the sgts mess, with a room full of witnesses. I got out about 9 months later after a load of broken promises from the CO.
@@huggyonefulAnd bugger all happened to him for his grossly dishonourable behaviour ? . Sounds like your CO & RSM were as bad. Better off away from that shower of shit. Why didn't the "witnesses" tell it how it was ? ..
Dear Keith, here a few which may raise a smile:
1. Escort duty to Colchester. Marching with prisoner. A soft spoken kindly gentlemen (RSM/GSM?) told us Airmen to double time it whilst in his manor & he questioned our parentage, using colourful metaphors. How rude! I explained that we were prisoner escort. His reply dilligaf!
2. Working in HQ 4 Div, saw a pongo prisoner chained wrist & ankles on route to Courts Marshall Centre. Half a dozen red caps with clouting sticks & ready to use them. I didn't ask.......
Conclusion: Why do I keep getting dicked for all the choice jobs (Never been on orders or fizz) - Crab Air Goody-Two-Shoes. Undetected crimes (LoL)....
Unfortunately I have been in the position of dealing with cases as CO and thankfully I was able to deliver fair justice, or at least I hope so. I was always conscious of the implications that charges and conviction have on the person and family. Sadly there were occasions where it went further. I also have the sad experience of serving on Courts Marshall. One of the better experiences is as an inspecting officer at Colchester. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you!
Thanks so much for your kind words and support 🙏
9 years in the RAF. 13 charges. 2 formal warnings and a 24 hour posting. Worse was getting banged up by the RMP in Belize. 3 days under close arrest. The RP loved it having a crab in the cells as you can imagine 😂
Great to get comments from the RAF, many thanks
Wot not in a hotel room? Asking for a pilot!
Sorry no. I was ground crew.
I was charged when a civilian car hit my land rover, thankfully, my award was "admonished "!
And rightly so
I remember those words from the CO like it was yesterday...... "RSM march the guilty barsterd in !
Awesome Sean that was exactly it 😆
Classic .my old csm said to me do you except my award or face court martial???? I said you can't do that sir its not up to you OOPS WRONG THING TO SAY.punishment was administered accordingly. I bounced a cheque in Cyprus went on ocs he said 7 days ROPS then asked the csm why I was grinning???the csm said he can't fit them in because he is on guard every other day we don't have the man power .the oc said OK you can dig my garden I said OK sir .the csm said to me outside he can dig his own garden forget about it son you don't have the time with the rarden cannon training most of the day cheers sir and I walked off
I remember a CO who kept his aggressive dog in his office during orders.... If the dog growled during sentencing, the accused was given extras.... The dog ended up getting shot in the bollox.
Glad to see you again out on the pavements boss, got myself out on a short 3 miler yesterday because I've been sat around way too long. Hope you're doing good. Can say the only charge I ever got was for public urination against the scoff house, got a night in the cells to sober up and nothing much else.
Glad you're getting out Tabbing again brother. Having a leak up a wall was almost a regular thing for me and my mates back in the day lol. Take care 🙂
“I’m not waving CPL take five” har! Or the old kangaroo court favourite..”March in the guilty bastard!”
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Blackadder Court martial has the deceased anything to say ??? I mean the accused
Another great video thanks 🎉🎉
Thanks for watching!
Marched in by a trainee Sgt. He made a right mess of it. Officer told him to march me out and do it again. 4 times. Then the Officer read out my 'details' No sir that not me. Same name wrong number. March him out. Bit of a wait. Marched back in. Nope Sgt got it wrong again. Out, Back in Charges read ( I'd not shaved properly for muster parade) Guilty , Weeks Ropes. Sgt got the same for messing the 'parade' up :)
🤣brilliant
Good explanation of types of military punishments .. I now feel my LSGCM was one my toughest to earn and at times my proudest medal ...
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Irish army here, same 38 years service like you but under my contract I can serve until I’m 60 (I’m 58 now). Never been charged except for kit deficiencies, some of the terminology is different here but otherwise punishment is pretty much the same. If you’re detained you forfeit your pay, I think that goes for married soldiers too but thankfully I’ve only ever seen a married soldier lock up once (that was in Lebanon). Love your chats, when I’m out walking the dog at night I often think I’d love you to have a podcast for company.. for us older soldiers can you do a chat on coming to terms with retirement and after retirement, I’m having a hard time getting my head around it (please)
Martin, thank you for your kind words. Yes, I have found it very difficult adjusting, I've tried many ways of dealing with it, so yes good idea I will do a video chat about my struggle.
Did you ever serve on the Curragh. I was born in a cottage on the Curragh. In the camp there is a memorial to one of my uncles killed in the war disarming a mine.
@@mickwful I’m in the Curragh twice a week, where’s the cottage and I’ll have a look?
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd looking forward to it, ‘tab on 😃
@@bigmartin Hi Martin it is long gone it is was by the crossroads in Walshestown . I have not been over for a few years now I still have lots of relatives in Newbridge and Killcullen I am sure at some time you have downed a pint in the Hideout which was a family haunt my dad worked in there 40 and 50 before we came to England. You should look up the memorial to a Jim Keogh.I have never seen it but intend to have a look. I would like to pay my respects as a soldier and don my head dress and salute. which is a red beret could I get my self into trouble by doing that?
The people I work with now couldn't believe the discipline. We were having a discussion on Sunday night/Monday morning anxiety and I said that was nothing compared to Monday morning inspection on the parade square, usually furnished by the RSM. He would decide which Sqn to inspect and you would pray it wasn't yours!. Then when he did inspect your squadron the marching away to the Guardroom would begin. I did all the silly contrived accents and (quiet) shouting that went with it and had them all in stitches. But it didn't really get across the anxiety Monday morning parade created, a bad one could ruin your month!
Great videos mate, 38 years service is amazing- I regret never having the balls to join up, love these videos and admire all that did and still do- awesome tales of service and put across in a fun way, keep ‘em coming!
Andrew thank you. 🫡
I was on guard duty, and during my stint on the main gate I foolishly left my eating irons and mug on my pit. When I was relieved and got back inside the guard room they had vanished. Next day was a kit inspection and I was put on orders for having missing kit. Up in front of the OC he said I was guilty of putting temptation in the way of fellow soldiers and intimated that if it happened again the answer was to nick someone else's. I got 7 days jankers as a result. I made sure it never happened again.
Hard lessons learned back then
I honestly haven't heard of Betrayal of Valour before .
Will stick with Walter Mittys LoL .
Top Vids matey !
Thank you 🫡
Really good channel I served in the 1st Gulf War and Op Telic 3
Thank you Simon
I hated ROPs they were a real pain
Ladd deserves a lot more views 👍👍
Get it Shared .
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Not sure why but I am strangely pround that my Certificate of Service booklet ( still have it after 50 odd years ) states my military conduct as " Exemplary " I was never 252'd came close once or twice though.
Mike, you are right to be proud of that and your service.
Many thanks Keith, keep up the great work am loving it.@@LetsTab59-bd4fd
lol. My first day in battalion. 1 Queens. No 2’s first parade. I was fresh out of Bassinbourne Bks. My kit was crisp. Boots bulled to a very high standard. Shaved twice. Chin checked by NCO Lcpl sheldrake. CSM Lewis brought us to attention. Being 6”4’. I was right hand marker. A young dark haired grunt. He went straight for the chin. Grabbed it, and pulled his thumb down.
Then came the call. Belt & Beret off. “Get him away!!” I’d gone through my basic training without a blemish. I was doubled around the drill square at Tidworth, then to the Guardroom. Where there I polished the floors on my hands and knees and then ceiling . Using the old school bumbers.
Character building. Good bit of fitness. Then up in front of the OC Maj Eagan. For another bollocking.
I loved my time in the army
Maj Eagan, I remember and when you mention CSM Lewis, is that Frank Lewis by any chance?
After my mother decided to emigrate to South Africa in 1980 I became a conscript to the SA army.
was called up in 1983 and had 2 callup instructions. One was for the 5th Infantry the other was for the Medics.
I chose the medics and turned up .
I must say I did not want to be there.
I was a bad boy and went awol .
Sent to DB in Pretoria.
when I returned to my Barracks after the "award" I was unable to complete my driver training and was sent to my allocation as a dogsbody.
my Sargent was a scotsman and hated the English.
Spent many hours on GD and in the local Cells.
The conscription was for 2 years but due to time in DB i ended up doing 2.5 years due to added on time.
was my fault for not towing the line.
your vids remind me of those times.
Great story Tony appreciate you sharing it 👍. All the best mate 👍
My dad served in the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, & was in NI (before the troubles). One bloke broke into the RSMs office & shat on the map of Palace Barracks in Hollywood.
I think he was DD’d.
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Great videos sir thank you for your time and effort fantastic videos 🎉🎉🎉
My pleasure
I got 28 days in colly when serving at Canterbury 1pwrr....had a scrap in training and got the sentence when i was fresh in my unit! Came out fit though and had a great crack!
You should do st John Moore barracks in Winchester,light division depo,and peninsula barracks Which is now our regimtal museum,great channel mucker have shared it with some of the other veterans,subs incoming lol
That's awesome, thank you so much. I have visited that location about 10 years ago. Fantastic museum. I also noted there was an AG Corps museum inside the old guard room. I will definitely try and get there. Have always respected the Light Infantry....Swift & Bold.
Did 28 days in Winchester gaurd room , was the fittest I’d ever been , RPs at first we’re bastxds ,but after a while had good crack ,sec 38a army act1955 no requests no complaints ,good days , yep went AWOL ,for funeral 🙄
Ex RAF did 2 tours of Colchester which was not called a detention centre but MCTC military corrective training centre 😂 Keep up the good work
Always pleased to hear from the RAF. When you say two tours of Colchester, I take you were part of the Staff and not a naughty boy lol?
I was a guest I'm afraid I wasnt punished for being naughty it was for getting caught 😂😂😂
Thanks for the heads up. I think that the really bad boys could be sent to HM prison Shepton Mallet’ which had a Provost Section running the Military Wing. Where as Colchester Glasshouse was more dispensary Re training. They did have a Glasshouse in Singapore! Not that I went there 🤔😁👍
AGAI - Army General and Administrative Instructions. Came out about 1978/79.
They took over from DCIs - Defence Council Instructions.
Sick of reading them in case they affected us (plural).
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Got collared a couple of times as Prisoner Escort on the military flights back to Germany from Luton Airport. One had gone AWOL the second had a fight back in the UK on leave. Never acknowledge my name after that when they asked at the gate if I was there.
I was posted to Roman Barracks, immediatley across the road from Colchester Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC).
Attached to the infantry, 1st Bn. POWO Regt of Yorkshire, every Friday afternoon everyone, except sick lame and lazy had to do a cross country run and get back before the CO. If not you did not get the weekend off. Every Friday the same, run around the perimeter of MCTC, bloody knacking, big perimerter.
I remember we had a COs run, but not every week, maybe a monthly one
Do you remember changing parades, went on for an hour changing from one kit to another ie pt kit to combat dress, to no2s etc last ti appear got extras , hard work if you were on the top floor, used to jump one flight of stairs in one go! Couldn't do it now lol. Dover junior leaders ,Old Park barracks, mid 70s
💯 m8 me and this other guy coming out the block doors at the same time wearing number 2s putties and cefo tripped over each other landed in a heap much to the amusement of cpl.dent sent us back in for barrack dress pt pumps red pt vest and tin lid 😂😂😂🎉 he was a real.humanaterian that was 1977
Another Brilliant video
Cheers
Thank you! Cheers!
The court martial has 3 Ruperts acting as magistrates.
If you’re in MCTS and awaiting discharge then it’s very relaxed. Might have a few classes to prepare you for being a civy. I think I got my basic food handling certification. Which was nice!!
Locked up for 12-16 hours a day. No inspections just one parade in the morning. A couple of fellow prisoners had to do 6 months and then serve 4-5 years in a HMP.
Oh and the food was worse than at basic!
Thank you for sharing that experience 🙏, much appreciated
I had left the RAF in 1982, was with MOD based at Catterick Garrison. As I recall this apparently happened at Vimy Barracks. Some sheet was caught red handed with property that was not his. He was taken to the top floor of one of the barrack blocks. A metal locker appeared. He was made to put his hands in the door jamb of a room, the door slammed shut and his screams ignored. Then put in the locker, door closed. Locker 'walked' to the top of the stairs, and pushed over. Hits the landing, stood up - upside down, repeated all the way down. The sheet was dragged out of the wrecked locker, and dumped outside the guard room 'unseen' by anyone including the sentry. Ends up in DKMH, treated and sent back to Vimy. A few weeks later he was arrested in Richmond by the Plods - caught red handed breaking into a car. I believe he was given the big boot!
A very bad egg that no one wants to serve with
Show Parades...I served in a guards regiment (2CG) back in the mid 70's and our show parades were called 3 0' clocks. You paraded in the order you were stopped in by the inspecting officer, mostly guard order if you'd been (stopped as it was called) on the inspection on the guard mount. Your name and what you was stopped for was put into the book by the Sgt In Waiting and you ended up on 3 O' clocks. These parades were on a Friday afternoon which totally cocked up your plans of a weekend getaway also if the Piquet Officer who did the inspection stopped you again for something else wrong with your turnout, you got the parade again the following week.
I can only imagine how tough Guards Show Parades are
Had a few of those, do you except my award on BC orders, luckily enough most our BCs in 29, were easy going, however we caught a young Gnr when in Norway deployment nicking money +shit and we offered him 10 minutes in room with Bdr's and not reported and the soldier of course he chose, the 10 mins option, however he was a scallywag +got binned eventually Great vids bud 😀
Cheers Martyn
I can still remember the CO’s words after I said I accepted his award “ I award you a £500 fine and a severe reprimand. March him out RSM”. 1989 and £500 was a lot of money but the severe dig was the killer. Managed to pick myself up and soldier on and still had a good career reaching WO2 but spent a lot of time in the wilderness. At the 22 year point I still only had 12 clean years so no LS&GC
Many thanks for your channel
I was out in 79
But many things still bring back memories
Really enjoy watching
Cheers mucker 🫡
Thank you Ken, it's always good when I get nice positive feedback like that. 👍
Can't vouch for it personally, but during my "Wehrdienst" someone told how a guy, on his last day of conscription, burst into his OC's office, shouted "Reserve, du Latte!" (lit: "Reserves, you slat!" ("Latte" being a popular insult in the day)) and slammed the door shut. The OC simply walked to the door, opened it and called after him: "Einundzwanzig!" or 21. Meaning that the guy was now in for 21 days of detention over and above his regular time. On his last day. Talk about calling it too early.
Brilliant 😆 🤣 😂
I spent several breaks in the unit guard room and can still remember the spill for the orderly officers inspection: Sir I am Rfn Name, sentenced to 28 days for What ever, I have no requests or complaints Sir.
Sir I am (number) Sig (name), charged under section (number) of the Army Act 1959 (?) in that I at (place) on the (date) did (name of offence). I was awarded (number) days detention by Commanding Officer (regiment). I have no requests or complaints, Sir.
I'm not giving specific details lol but obviously I was SUS at one stage hence I know it off by heart still, after more than 30 years.
For me it's been 50 years 1974.
Do you accept my award, like you're getting a feckin Oscar
I had the honour to serve with a then RSM, he was ex SF.... We wrote a 'letter' as to why he should be granted his LSNGC... If memory serves he did get it... And went on to be a major. He was a really good egg, but took no crap!
Good to hear that he finally got his LSGC. Thank you for commenting
Mentioned this on a previous video...I was court martialled on my birthday..December 81for an incident in a bar that spilled over into the camp in Germany...got a 4 month sentence in MCTC and dismissed with Disgrace...never looked back...worked on building sites...went to university... became a secondary school teacher...retired to Spain...statistically I suppose I should be a homeless alcoholic...my court martial was a kangaroo court as Thatcher defence cuts dictated all offences involving violence and drunkenness were automatically a discharge offence...
George you've done very well for yourself mate, and as you say if things had gone differently you may well be worse off....its all fate I suppose. Thank you for sharing your story.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Do I qualify for a veterans ID card though?👍😉
@@georgeatkinson759 I didn't see anything in the online form asking about discharge categories, so I would guess there won't be a problem.
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They only want know Number, Name, Regiment or Corps and years you served. It's for Veterans, not crimes.
Colchester is known as MCTC or Military Corrective Training Centre. And soldiers can be awarded up to 96 days before administrative discharge where you could be then imprisoned to complete your sentence in a civvy snatch!!!
Thanks Howard
Another great video, thank you for sharing. A mate of mine who has recently come out of the army told me once about a time he got into it in a pub with an officer. The next day said officer inspected him on parade with a black eye, but didnt say anything about what had happened. according to my mate, if it happened off the base, its not for the army to punish. does that sound right to you, or do you think at least in your day that would have been a punishable offence?
I've heard of a very similar incident, again between an officer and a private soldier, the officer got a bit if a pasting by the private down town and was too embarrassed to take it any further and no action was ever taken. Thank you for commenting 🙏
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd ahh maybe that's it then, thanks again for posting, looking forward to the next one
@williamjacklin2362 no worries William 👍
What used to annoy me - if you had an expensive accident in an Army vehicle you had to before the OC on a charge for them to get you to pay for it.
I saw this on one occasion, the chap accepted that he ought to pay but they had to charge him to get it.
I have suspected that cannot be right, but that was how he explained it.
A disciplinary solution was the only option.
Bit like that in those days, I wonder how it is dealt with today?
I had several soldiers charged for vehicle accidents. They never had to pay for the damage.
I was at Old Park Bks Dover. J/Spr late 60’s once did a changing parade in winter after diving through my dressing up box numerous times we ended up in mess tin order two mess tins dangling off your stable belt with best ammo boots on… Think the junior NCO dropped a bollock for that.. but that week we all got to see Zulu in mess hall.
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I got 14 days after a shooting incident.We called it DB-Detention Barracks.My one buddy got 28 days at Brady Barracks DB for sleeping on guard duty.He had to do the assault course twice a day as part of his punishment.He was kept in a cell where you couldn't stand up with a black tin roof to make you feel you are in a bloody sauna.Rhodesian Army was tough.Our SELOUS SCOUTS are testament to that fact.
I was in mctc for a period of 60 days soldier on for 7 months AWAL I was lucky because it was normally a day for a day I was in with some lads who had been absent for 4 years and got 6 month sentences and were RTU. 2 years is the longest you can serve in mctc I was there in 2002 it’s just like phase 1 training but you locked up at night it bad to say but I enjoyed it because your with people from other units and with a wide array of experiences we were even trained on the green goddesses because of the fireman strike of 2002
Yes Mat, I've heard a few stories where people say it was very similar to basic training. Cheers mate for sharing that 👍
i would love to tell you about my very first guard duty in basic training,but it would take to long. lol
I frequented the glass house often and had a set of kit that I would take in mirror finished mess tins boot brushes that were buled up polish tin shinny no paint shaving foam the same etc etc did a two month stretch at one point. The guys in 1WFR may well remember me 😂😂😂
I was given 140days district court martial,in 1981,went to mctc,i found it better than being in my guards battalion guardroom,i remember as a soldier under sentence in guards guardroom in germany,wearing notwo dress ammo boots wearing full webbing and wearing your tin pot being rifted around the square,these days i remember a couple of blokes being put on a reduced diet in guardroom as a punishment
Simon how times change, I suppose its for the better I don't know 😕
Punishment in the infantry often just involved a few punches to the head or being thrown in the cells and beasted for a couple hours by the RPs. They tried not to charge people for minor offenses. If we were bang to rights (we invariably were) most of us preferred to be taken around the corner and given a few digs. It hurt, but that was the end of it. Formal punishments involved a lot of aggravation and hassle and too many recriminations.
Many soldiers don’t know that officer cadets are treated like private soldiers before they’re commissioned.
Officer Cadet Bob was put on show parades a few times and I was 252’d once under Section 69 (as it then was). Several guys were jailed off the square for carp drill. A common offence was a ‘Zebedee’.
All our drill instructors were Household Division and we were required to have one gloss painted SLR mag (plus TWO bayonets, one matt for field work, one painted and polished for parades).
By the early 1980s the shiny magazines were very old, and had had nearly 30 years of officer cadets taking the base plate off (as ordered by the same SNCOs) in order to put a couple of coins inside to make it rattle more.
Problem came on the command ‘Order Arms!’ when, inevitably, someone’s magazine would fall apart and the spring would bound out ‘boing’! (Hence ‘Zebedee’)
Brilliant story thank you for sharing it
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd when it happened to a future Household Cavalry officer there was a ‘Corporal Major’ DS on the square. He told the guilty OCdt to go and apologise to Queen Victoria (her statue faces Old College).
Off he marched.
He put his feet in in front of the statue. Saluted. Spoke to her. Saluted again. About turned.
But, instead of returning to his platoon he started to march off to our lines in New College.
The SNCO screamed at him to return…
“Where the ^%< do you think you’re going Mr X”?
“Well Staff I did what you said, but her Majesty said it was quite alright and I could have the rest of the day off…”
He got the day off… :)
Morning mate. Good video. Just wondering what badge is on your beret...? Thought it might be Royal Anglian, given your neck of the woods, but doesn't appear so
Morning, it's PWRR, I'm originally from Kent.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Okey dokey. Thanks
My Dad Was in the R.A.F as A chef TEK Raedar
The outcome for the same offence depended on if your face fitted , for a minor could get fine , extra duties or combination of both. If they didn't like you they got a PTI to run you round an airfield with a rifle above your head and then told to assume the stress position till you passed out or the PTI got bored. Escorted a prisoner to Colchester once, scary guard commander made everyone jump when he shouted at prisoner to stand to attention on the line , never saw a building so polished
Thanks Peter for commenting it's appreciated mate 👍. Some good and memories on this subject. 👍
There was a labour MP called Boeteng who specialised in military law and was engaged by many soldiers up on court martial, he never lost a case, everyone he represented was aquited.
Bet he made a packet
I once had to do 2 weeks as the Court Orderly Sgt at the Court Martial Centre in Hohne. Of all the case's that came through only one was found guilty, and only because he put his hands up to it. The RMP's fucked up all the evidence on the others. Also saw one lad get his stripe back after his CO had done him twice for the same offence. I think he was the only soldier ever to be promoted in a Court Martial.
There’s an old video on here. Think it’s called the glass house! It’s about old days in Colchester
I have seen that, it's a good insight into the system 👍
Does anyone remember the old catch all “silent something”? I can’t remember the second word. It wasn’t disobedience but similar. The old nut is getting on. 🤷🏻♂️
I to forget the wording but have an idea of what you're saying.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd something like silent contempt. A catch all so they could charge you if they had nothing else. Good times 😂
@@timothylowe8327 I remember someone getting charged for Dumb Insolence.
May have changed but again 67 doesn't go infront of the OC anymore, usually just given it to sign by who ever is issuing the agai and your certainly not being sent to the cells for any amount of time on an agai, something like that would be a formal charge through the OC, the OC wouldn't get involved in an agai because it usually only involved 6 and 10 parades
Thank you for explaining that, I knew it was referred to as AGAI but didn't know the details, nice one 👍
Army General Administrative Instructions. Agai's
Queen's Regulations contained the charges 1-69. 69 covered everything ie crossed laces to crossed eyes.
In Canada: I got charged with 129 conduct unbecoming, resulting from a fight with multiple civilians after one of the civilians punched my mate in the face at a bar, at a bar we where forbidden to go to and at that time we were forbidden to leave the base. I got 14 days “confinement to barracks, extra work and duties” known as defaulters and a $400 fine. During defaulters we had to stay at the battalion, got fed from the cook house, did every shit job like scrubbing the walls, nightly inspection of all kit and fighting order, weapon etc. one guy who no one liked was on defaulters with me, duty sergeant found a discarded crushed pop can in his kit bag, it was batted back at him by his drill cane. I and other where like holy s*** how in the F could that be there. A minute later they “found” rust on his bayonet and charged him again. We worked so much I was clever and ordered pizza to compound fence, I got away with that 4 times.
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Haslar detention Centre was brutal. Physical training ever day .all day .all weather's. 3mths .Got so many muscles they had to issue me with new bigger kit. Lol.Gary ex RMR. .But it made me a better person.
" March the guilty Barsteward in Sergant Major" .... did 4 Court Marshalls as SNCO court orderly, 4 officers and a judge advocate on the panel. Latter in my carerer did 8 months attached to MCTC A wing was "soldier on" D wing - Discharge after completeing your "award". terrible place lots of permannt staff with big ego's. and even bigger gobs. A wing was a return to basic training on completion came out a better soldiers or even more pissed off with Forces one or the other
That's a good insight 👍
For instant sleep, this beats counting sheep! He could be a lollipop man, better engaged
Glad I'm of some use 😆
On Spring drills in Chelsea Barracks. The Drill Sgt comes over to me. "Where did you get that hair from?"
"I grew it sir." says I.
"Well go and tell the Police Sgt."
So off I double, in my No2 dress and rifle to the guard room.
"What the eff do you want Smudge?" he says.
"Driller says to show you my hair." I laughed.
"Right plonk your arse in the kitchen for an hour. Can't give you a cell. They're all full."
Bet your neighbours say there goes the major again on one of his strolls! 😂
😆 funny you should say that 🤣
Royal Signals 1973-76. Maximum possible award from Squadron Cmdr 1 weeks RP's and/or £30 fine (about a weeks pay. My pay rate in my last years was £5.36 per day including trade pay).
CO's orders maximum possible award 28 days detention served in unit guardhouse.
Court Martial. Maximum sentence at MCTC 10 months and if that long almost certainly a dishonourable discharge.
OC's orders always told "Will you accept my award or got for CO's orders"
I got done (af252) 6 times in 3 years for a mixed bag of offences but never punished beyond OC's order level.
The key seemed to that if you went NFI and played up keep it low key so that you were only punished at Squadron level.
Under the terms in which I signed up it was a bit of a con. The 'Join the professionals' campaign of the early and mid 70's advertised 3, 6 or 9 year options. What they didn't tell you was that after your time with the colours you did the rest on the reserve for either a total of 22 years or your 45th birthday. I consider I finally became free of the army in 1999 when I was 45 and got a discharged notice. After training on the old Larkspur radio system as an RTG posted to a Divisional Signal Regt and spent all my time doing menial jobs unless on exercise.
Glad I only did the 3. Was bored out of my bin.
Cheers Graham, appreciate your comment 🙏 👍
Contracts must have changed somewhat.
In 1960 it was 3, 6 or 9 yrs with 9, 6 or 3 yrs Reserves. Then clear of commitment or a straight 12. Then if you really liked it, sign for steps of 3 yrs to 21 yrs and out at 22. More if you were prepared to drop a rank and what ever job was going for steps of 2 yrs max. on to age 55 (Full Career).
Random question. In the Army, did you always plan to finish your Tabs in the daylight?
Normally yes, especially if it was a z
Tab that was part of our regular tests. However on many occasions whilst on exercise Tabs were at night. Thank you for the question.
I like your films pal and i dont mean to be disrespectful but would you say you're a bit institutionalised
I'm pretty convinced that I am and I'm for the first time actually admitting it.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fdme too 😂
@@zaynevanday142 glad I'm not alone
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd fair play to you.
if you were given 28 days detention you could earn 4 days remission. COs often dished out 27 days that way you had to serve the full time.
Didn't know that one. Cheers. Crafty buggers hey.
While serving in Berlin, we mixed well with the Americans, they gave me some liquid for my boots to parade in the morning. On Adjutants parade I stood with boots gleaming, the officer followed by the RSM inspected the front rank where I proudly stood, when he got to me he asked “Did you bull your boots” I had to tell the officer the truth, “No sir” I explained the liquid I received from the Americans, he informed the RSM “Charge this man with defacing the queen’s leather” so with this charge I received 7 days RP’s. Now being in the boxing team and breaking the Provost Sergeant’s nose during training with the team, as he was giving the lighter weight boxers a hard time, this did not sit well with me, so when I spared with him I gave justice for the smaller lads, the company CSM loved it and shook my hand. When on RP’s I had an easy time, they all loved the boxing clash I had with the Provost Sergeant, and in all fairness he took it well :)
Brilliant Dave, well done mate cracking story 👏
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd sgt bob Street provost sgt in catterick 2 RRF every one thought he was tosser I thought he was great seemed to like me giving out the bin bags for area cleaning had an expletives for every one he gave a bin to except me he called me m8 see the looks I got cheers Bob RIP
Morello was the liquid.
@@philhunter9158 💯 guys used klear to.ian was right I had forgotten about it .I could think of the stuff in plastic bottle u used to clean your gas parts or cheated lol it was called jello I think I had a bottle in my respirator bag and guess what ???it burst I only noticed when my plt commander said gas gas gas he flipped off the grid my ears are still ringing 47 years later he still let me pass out forgave me eventually. Even though he threatened to drown me in the stinking dirty water pit coz he said I dropped the log the heavy wooden one lol I know it wasn't me apportion blame else sir I think I muttered.
@@philhunter9158there's one called clear, brought the shine out but if it rained it turned your boots blue. 😂😂
What Cap Badge is that please..
The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment PWRR.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Formerly The Royal Hampshire Regiment
@@raystewart6524 Queens Regt and the Royal Hampshire Regt
I actually asked for a District Court Martial once purely because I was being stitched up something rotten by an arsehole CQMS. They all knew he was stitching me up and put me on orders anyway, so I thought fuck it, when I was asked, "Do you accept my award or do you want a district court martial?", straight away I said court martial sir. I was dragged outside and had them all bollocking me at once trying to get me to take his award but I wouldn't budge. Went back in and still insisted on a court martial. If it had gone to court martial they'd have looked like twats because I hadn't done anything wrong and they knew it so the whole matter was dropped. My name was shit with the Head Shed for quite a few months after that but I called their bluff and it worked. I bumped into the CQMS a few years later after he'd got out and I was quite happy to tell him what a C**t I thought he was.
Matthew that is a great story mate and well done for sticking to your guns, it couldn't have been easy with all those around you with rank pushing you to take the COs award. Thank you for sharing it 👍
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd The story didn't end there. Years later he was a civvy and I was on the RP staff. I happened to be duty copper one night and this bloke turned up wanting to park his car for free while he went out with his wife. The guard commander said yeah no problem, I'll just clear it with the RP. I came out and said yeah no problem he can park his car.....in the NCP car park down the road. Have a nice night.
@matthewjones9565 what goes around comes around 😊
A charge in the army was a 252 had a few
Me and you both my friend
Remember once getting a vale syste. Wrong. Chief of boat made me trace and draw the whole system in my off duty time. And then explain it to him how it works.
Harsh
The second charge, we where in a camp supporting a course, it was a friends birthday party. I was nicely drunk on crown royal (no problem), got back to my rack and was sleeping (all good). Problem was some other idiot pulled the fire alarm. Then the problem was I was drinking rye so I’d figured I’d make an emergency number 2, before having to fork up outside. I did that and passed out mid crunch, to be woken up by the fire marshal and RPs. Then got outside to receive a good jacking. The next day along with several others I believe 14 guys got charged for various things. I used a pay phone and spoke to council (Ajag) he said he found out that the CO was going to go hard. So prior to the summary for 129 conduct unbecoming trial they offered me election to court marshal, because the CO wanted extensions to his powers of punishment including detention barracks (jail). I elected court Marshall, then got another jacking from my CSM, basically saying I’m finished. The charges got stayed in the end because the original charge said ‘private ****** failed to evacuate building ** during a fire alarm… because he had been drinking” what stayed the charge was I did indeed evacuate the building, just not very quickly or well. Another chap heeded to the pressure and plead guilty because he was unable to escort the idiot who pulled the alarm to cells cause he was drunk, he got 28 days in prison.
Then I no longer got in trouble anymore, or at least got caught
Close call! Well played though. Thank you for sharing 👍
As SSA 1BW in Warminster, part of the Alf Garnett Commandos, I remember manually typing AFB 252s for the Adj till my fingers bled. The Scots loved us, Happy Dayz !
Yes I can imagine you would be busy with 252s lol
Show Parade: Show Bedding, Wardrobe and 1157 gear……..
One well known Corporal, 7 Royal Irish, 4th Generation Soldier, joined as a Boy Soldier at 15 in 1969, went to the Gordon Highlanders as his father was a Captain (QM) in our Regiment.
The Gordons rioted in Singapore as the last British Battalion there before leaving.
The ANZAC MPs were sent down to sort the Jocks out.
This Corporal was found fighting and threw into the back of a lightweight Landy.
Rehearsal for St Patrick’s Day Parade 1995.
He was the senior Corporal in Battalion and the leading Bugler. CO asks him “Cpl C, where’s your LSGC?”.
“Got caught as a youngster Sir”
“Awk Cpl C, we all did stupid things back then, don’t you worry, I’ll get the RAO on it and I’ll write a letter for you!”
Quote: “I wouldn’t bother yer arse Sir”…….
I was standing beside him.
Cpl C was the Movement Control NCO and I went to book a patrol out with him when I heard the Adj call him to the CO’s office, he went and all we heard was
“ATTEMPTED FECKING MURDER Cpl C?!!!!!!!!”
When Cpl C woke up in the Landy he escaped from it, still moving, by punching the driver and threw him out the door!
Charged with attempted murder, dropped to Actual Bodily Harm, escape from lawful custody etc. 18 months Stonecutters Island in Hong Kong.
He did well and was allowed Soldier On on appeal.
Left the army with 24 years Adult Service (only got paid for 22!), joined the Corps of Commissioners, they found out about the time in klink, rejoined the TA(!) as Permanent Guard Force and served until 63!
He only died last year and he was my best mate.
I promise you that this is a true story.
If there any Royal Irish here they’d know him to see if not by name.
Particularly Band, Bugles, Pipes and Drums Royal Irish.
God bless you Charlie, he got me through my Pot NCOs and Junior Breacon.
A soldier of another Generation, he should have been fighting the Zulu’s!
I’ll try to find a video of us.
Wait out.
Ian
ruclips.net/video/cjDXWPW9f9s/видео.htmlfeature=shared
00:54
01:36 the big fella closest to the camera
02:50 They said the dancers were from Edinburgh. This wasn’t true. These lasses were from all over Ireland but due to the political and security situation in 1999 they couldn’t announce that.
Ian thank you for sharing that lovely story of your friend Charlie (God bless him).
Brilliant story mate. Thank you for sharing.
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Morning muster 1977 Bassingbourn guy had marello on his boots plt sgt jumped on them then that evening after training made him.drag his bed space on to the middle of the parade square bed locker bedding the whole caboodle 😂😂😂😂😂😂 any one knows Bassingbourn??he had to take it from the JS BLOCKS not the troggs blocks facing the square he never made that mistake again
Its the same now at G4S If you turn up smart or you can read and write or you can speak good English ,They will stop your pay.
It's a crazy time
RSM's would say "March the guilty Baxxard in"
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Guilty until proven innocent.
OC's was always on the last Friday of the month in my lot. I was only charged twice in ten years, five days RP's for the first one, second charge was actually dismissed.
I knew a few lads who were sent to Colly, only one went twice.
And unlike civvies, soldiers can be charged twice for one offence. By civvy court/police and then by the Army. Section 69, dontcha just love it?
Crazy system 😜
CONDUCT TO THE PREJUDICE OF MILITARY DICIPLINE AND GOOD ORDER, contrary to Section 69 Army Regulations Act 1969 in that he, at day date place and time. Oh how we loved the olde 252s.😅
That's the exact wording I remember now Phil nice one mate 👍
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd every SNCO in the Grenadier Guards knew it as much as they knew the National Anthem.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd in the Household Division we had a saying, if you did something wrong then you"LOST YOUR NAME" this went back to the days that you had a brass name plate on your locker, if you did anything wrong or your kit was in bad order, it would be taken from you. You then marched in front of the Adjutant or Company Commander at a rapid rate of knots the get punished and Earn it back. Rather as strange one in the Grenadier Guards as the Company Commander of the Queens Company was Her Majesty, it's now the King.
we used to call the prisoners in BN the red helmet display team..... I had 14 days in nick while waiting for a court martial desition to be made and they ended up sending me home after being awol 3 months
Red helmet display team, awesome. I remember on a course, can't remember which course but who ever f@cked up that day had to wear a steel helmet painted pink the next day lol 😆
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd they were the old tin pisser type with the spider inside but with it removed so the nipple dug into your head aswell
@@bloggs692413 people come up with crazy punishments 😆
Household Cavalry do not remove Belt and Beret on orders..
I didn't know that, thank you. Also, is it one of the Household Cavalry Units that can Salute without head-dress, Im sure I heard that somewhere ?
I had a collision with a German motorist which resulted in my Land Rover being written off ( his fault..several witnesses), I was put on a charge and found not guilty !
Another punishment was bed block's. I E having to fold your bedding into a block like everyone had to do in basic training.
Remember those
252 get your rate of pay so you can be fined accordingly. Mine was you at fallingbostel on the 22 September 1980 did so with out reasonable excuse fail to attend the 1355 muster parade a parade which your duty required you to attend bang £50 march out.
Harsh...£50 ,cheers Rob
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd £50 day light robbery back then OC banged his fist on the table grumpy 😡 git
In the US FORCES it almost the same as you blokes in the UK forces low level is offices hours or ART 15 UCMJ , then 3 types of court marshals by the way what Jankers and OC means thank mates just old yank
Jankers was an old saying, even before my time, it's basically slang for fatigues, OC is Officer Commanding . Thank you for commenting it's appreciated 👍
A had a friend who went to the glass house, after it he later a s/nco..
Is that a P.W.R.R. cap badge.
Yes it is. 👍
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Where you at the Royal Review with Princess Diana in Canterbury all those years ago ?
@sandemike yes I was. 5 PWRR in those days. Very hot day.
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd Yes 2 Regular and 2 T.A. battalions all firing the salute we practiced for weeks.
@sandemike I remember the Flying TIGERS dropped in from a Puma and presented Diana with a special made cap badge. But all the rehearsals were a pain, something like two weeks of drill practice
I was a CPL ummm. Four times. My Sargents understood better than the platoon commanders.
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I won’t be getting my LSGC medal 😂