The Thematically Rich Boo Arc
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Original Date: 8/2/2020
I tried to convey the overall point of the arc and cover the bigger plot elements of it as best and concisely as I could. Because of this, there were some smaller stuff in the arc I wasn't able to mention. Like ssj3 showing the potential of the kids, Babadi unleashing Boo despite his father putting him there for a reason, and Supreme Kai's ignorance stemming from his dead mentors. The idea is really prevalent in a lot of ways and it's actually kind of cool. Anywho hope you enjoyed the vid.
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Wow! I've never heard anyone think of the Buu arc in this light. I'm currently rewatching all of Z so it'll be nice to watch the buu arc from this perspective
Great video, and well put together too.
Thinking I'm going to just link it to the next person I see claiming that the Buu arc doesn't accomplish much and the series should've ended at Cell (hoping I don't send any weirdos your way by doing so lol)
Thanks!
Easily my favourite video of yours, the Boo arc is super underappreciated.
Thank you & yeah it's unfortunate that this arc doesn't get as much love as the others.
Your takes on Dragon Ball are phenomenal. You made me appreciate Dragon Ball even more.
I'm happy to hear that. Thank you 🙏🏾
Great video man, love these analyses
Thanks! I got a good amount of DB analysis type videos so check them out if you're interested!
@@shadowhugger Sure will (and have, lol). Loved the duality of goku video too. You having just about 200 subscribers is criminal.
(Also I'd love it if you made one for vegeta, since most analyses only cover him from surface level at best)
@@buffet1863 thanks again, my Goku & Vegeta rivalry video is basically my Vegeta video lol. I actually don't really know if I can say anything else about the character that others haven't already brought up because from what I've seen I think a good amount of people pretty much get what he's about. There are some that glorify or excuse him in ways that miss the point of his character but for the most part I think people understand him and his growth.
@@shadowhugger I see
Hello ShadowHugger,
I hope you are doing well! I came by your video about The Boo arc, and I want to tell you I think it's a very well-made video.
I'll admit, the Boo saga isn't my favorite. For the Z portion of Dragon Ball, I think the other 3 arcs were better, but I do still like the themes of the saga.
A bit ago (YoseSr), also made a really good thread on the Boo arc. Over time, when seeing many people talk about it, like you and others, I began to like it better.
I really enjoy analyzing. Something my friends and I talk about a lot is how many people can take things for face value.
When seeing people talk about Dragon Ball, they put down the show in a harsh way, not looking at the deep elements of the series.
I'm fine with people having a personal opinion when it comes to a show, game, music, characters, etc, there isn't a way to prove that it's objectively good or bad. Many people have a different opinion or view on what makes things good or bad.
I do think it's not fair, however, for people to say things that aren't true about the series, and push it down for no reason.
I really admire how you and my friends are able to see deep things in the series. It's really fun talking to you guys about it as well, please know as well that my friends have a deep respect for you Shadowhugger.
In the Boo saga, something my friends and I talk about is the theme of the fathers, and how they try to fix the situation by being in their children's lives.
Something I talk to them about - while I do understand the theme in the saga, I don't know if it's Goku's fault.
Goku's reasoning for being out of his children's life starting in the Cell saga was because he wanted to protect his family and friends. All the way to that point, the villains were after him.
When Goku was fighting Majin Vegeta, it was something he had to do. If he did not, Vegeta would have continued to kill people. You can see what Vegeta was doing made Goku mad as well.
This isn't to say that later, Goku was enjoying the fight. There was one page of them smiling at each other and it could be taken as he was enjoying it, or he was just smiling at Vegeta because of his strength. However, that wasn't his main reason for fighting Vegeta.
I was having a discussion about Goku vs Majin Vegeta on Twitter with a fan of the show, and they pointed out how Goku told Vegeta the fight needed to stop, but Vegeta kept it going.
With Goten and Trunks, they were the only ones able to fight Boo. Goku had to Other World (forgive me if this isn't the correct name), and he couldn't come back since it was supposed to be a day.
Because of this, he was left with no choice but to trust them to defeat Boo. They were the only ones strong enough to beat Boo.
I think even if Goku was alive because he knows that he couldn't be around forever, he had a good reason for wanting the next-gen to protect the world. He was wanting this for the safety of the world and others.
Vegeta could have been in his child's life, but he wasn't, as you perfectly showed in your video.
Mr. Satan should have helped kids more as well, as you also mentioned.
I hope my comment isn't too long lol, forgive me.
I thank you for your time reading my comment!
Thank you! Don't worry about the length of your comment btw I get what it's like to write while in the zone lol.
It's funny that you brought this topic up actually because Goku's accountability in regards to his kids is something I go over a bit in my upcoming vid. To sum it up here though Goku's intent kind of doesn't matter & I really like that.
He stayed dead because he cared but regardless the consequences of that decision would still manifest. The kids are still lost & he can't really help them much aside from teaching them fusion before he has to go. Which I find really interesting. Vegeta & Mr. Satan are very clear cut. They're just being bad parents but Goku's issue was one rooted with the best of intentions. Good intentions however does not always equal a good outcome. In the end he needs to be there because Earth still doesn't have a proper defender and getting one requires his attention, guidance, and time.
I feel Goku's role in releasing Boo is also in service to this idea. He really had no choice other than to fight Vegeta but regardless their fight was still the main catalyst. He's still responsible and should resolve it along with Vegeta.
Hope you liked my answer!
@@shadowhugger Hello Shadowhugger, forgive me for my late reply!!
Yes, I do like your answer! It's really good. Thank you so much for it!
When talking to JinFreaks about this a while ago, we agreed how inadvertently Goku played a part in things.
Something Flojack mentions regarding Goku's death in the Cell saga, he still needed to be in Gohan's life, which I agree with. However, you also see where Goku is coming from.
I view it as a really complex situation.
I agree with you about how good intentions doesn't lead to a good outcome. It's sad in a way because though he felt he was making the right decision, he didn't know how things were going to go.
I will be sure to watch your video when you are finished with it!
Regarding Goku and Vegeta fighting, what would you say Goku should have done better to resolve the fight with Vegeta?
I've seen a lot of people say that Goku should have gone SSJ3, but from my understanding, Toriyama didn't plan it out yet lol.
For fun, if he did have SSJ3, outside of it using energy, I think it would make Vegeta even more upset and bothered him more. Since he was already upset with Goku's strength, that would have made things worse with Vegeta being in that state of mind.
Thank you again for reading my message Shadowhugger!
@@JonnyM2C Oh yeah I totally agree that the situation is complex & the events themselves kind of extends beyond Goku. That's what I love about it. Regardless of his intent he still left a lot of things unresolved including his rivalry with Vegeta and that came back to bite him with Majin Vegeta. Which I just find to be a really fascinating and mature idea. As an adult Goku should be more aware of his own importance and the effect he has on other people, especially the next generation, which we see with Oob.
Btw I feel he good reason to not go SS3 against Vegeta because it would've taken away his time & left him exhausted. If something went wrong or if Boo was release somehow anyways he would basically be no help at all. Fusion was a much better alternative too & I like believing that he was planning to convince Vegeta back to his side & fuse against Boo if it came down to it.
I really like your comments btw it gives me a reason to gush about DB lol
@@shadowhugger Indeed Shadowhugger!
I was thinking while I was writing, people enjoy stories where there isn't a right answer. However, in my opinion with these stories, I feel there is a right answer.
Regarding Goku, I feel like there isn't a solid right answer. It's complex.
Something I found interesting about Goku, and I think that is why his character is round to some people, sometimes his choices can be things we as humans can do or think.
He's a really interesting character than what many people give him credit for.
I agree with you about SSJ3. It was good that Goku didn't use it.
It's super nice that you are able to enjoy the conversation, It's fun to me too.
@@shadowhugger another important thing to note is that vegeta's pride matters to goku. In the final fight as well, goku reveals that he could've won if he fought with full power from the beginning, but that he let it drag on so vegeta could have a chance to fight buu.
wow, amazing
Hey shadowhugger
I saw a guy saying the ending of Z was trash because Uub got the role of the earth protector without doing anything, he had no build, he also said Uub didn’t seek out Goku (the master) Goku yet again seeked out Uub so it can’t be considered a parallel to that, about goku and uub ending on the same note that master Roshi and kid Goku started off at, they also never cared about the role of protector back at og, what do you think of this?
Quite a few discussion points here lol.
I don't know why Oob needs to prove himself to take up the role as Earth's protector. Like, it's not a job it's just something these characters do because they're good people with the power to protect the Earth. Oob is a good person with the power to protect the Earth so he's qualified. :p Plus unlike Gohan or Goten he actually likes to fight meaning he'll be a lot more serious about his training making him even stronger which is why Goku prioritizes him.
As for build up the entire arc is centered around this conclusion. It's constantly reinforced how important it is for the adults to be there for the kids & Boo himself is a metaphor for the problems that can result from it. So the conclusion fits perfectly imo. When it comes to Oob specifically though I don't really know what more could have been added. Cause like Goku's request to have Kid Boo reincarnated as a good guy happens 2 or 3 chapters before Oob shows up and the series ends so like what more can be done lol.
I don't really know why Oob needs to seek out Goku. Goku didn't seek out the Muten Roshi. He met him by chance while on his journey to find the Dragon Balls with Bulma. It was only after the Muten Roshi offered to train Goku & after Goku finished his quest with Bulma that he became Roshi's student because he liked fighting. I don't really see how this is different with Oob. Goku saw his potential & wanted to train him. Oob wanted to prioritize the prize money for his family first but once that was secure he was more than happy to train with Goku because he liked fighting.
It's not that Roshi didn't care about protecting the Earth it's just that the Earth was fine during Roshi's era. The only time the world was in danger for him was with Piccolo Daimao which was already handled in his time. Even so he still taught his students to use their power for good. Goku meanwhile has faced multiple new threats time and time again so he tells Oob he's gotta be ready to protect the Earth cause it's been in danger a lot by this point.
I guess the Red Ribbon army was still a threat in Roshi's time but he didn't think he or Goku would be strong enough to take the entire army down. When Goku actually does it Roshi's surprised.
Sorry for all the text but there were so many points to discuss there lol.
@@shadowhugger Thanks alot about all this stuff!
@@shadowhugger he said this “Goku trained under Roshi because he was passionate for it. Goku is training Uub to make him the new savior there’s a big diff”
@@nexhai2651 Roshi took Goku in because he saw his potential Goku accepted because he liked to fight. Goku took Oob in because he saw his potential Oob accepted because Oob likes to fight. It's really just that simple.
Goku liked to fight but he didn't have a great passion for it at the end of the first arc. He simply thought it was fun and wanted to do more cool stuff like the kamehameha. That's why Muten Roshi joined in the 21st Budokai as Jackie Chun. He wanted to truly inspire and motivate his students to grow their strength. Which was accomplished at the 22nd Budokai.