Typographical Trimming Saw
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- This summer, I acquired a typographical trimming saw (Sawliner Milwaukee Saw trimmer Corp.) at an auction at our old tool group meetup. I have not been able to find much information on the saw. It was used in publishing, I'm assuming, for making small cuts on books and paper. I would like to use it for cutting small parts out of wood as it has a nice fence system for making cross cuts and making square pieces. Upon bringing it back to the shop, I cleaned it up and I ordered a new blade for it. However, the blade that came did not cut very well and I was somewhat disappointed with it. I have gone back to the blade that came with a saw which works much better. I also bought and put together a mobile base for the saw so I can move it around to various locations in the shop.
In the cabinet of the saw are a series of cubbies. I thought it would be nice to make some wooden drawers to fit into these spaces. I made these drawers out of pine wood I'm trying to use up. The drawer bottoms are from a scrap piece of ¼ inch plywood and the handles are from a scrap piece of walnut wood.
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0:00 (introduction)
1:45 (new blade)
2:43 (mobile base)
4:54 (blade guard)
6:47 (drawers)
12:38 (name plate)
15:06 (conclusion) 
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Franck, you are the LEONARDO DA VINCI of the wood
Maybe you could put some spacers on the 3 bolts holding the nameplate, so it will kinda float and allow for air circulation to cool the motor.
I have one with a sliding table (left-side); cross-cuts only. The fence has a micro-adjust with .1 picas per detent (so, that's what, 1/128 inch?). Ridiculous levels of precision capable with that saw! It was given to me by my Dad who was a printer for over 50 years. He had a machine shop fabricate a 45-degree "jig" that fits the table (likely for woodwork, can't imagine a printing need for 45 degree lead "slugs").
Frank, if its feasible I'm sure we would all enjoy the video that is you rearranging and discussing the why of your shop!
This brought back memories. My dad was a typesetter and used the saw for cutting lead type. Non other than Thomas Edison said the most important invention in the history of man was the Linotype. It reduced the cost of printed word to the point that everyone could afford books and newspapers. Photo-offset typesetting rendered the Linotype obsolete on the early 80s. Dad still had a saw in his worship for exactly the reason you gave, small precision jobs. Thanks for reminding me of Dad.
I also used this type of saw and a linotype in the early 90s as part of my apprenticeship when working in the family printing business in North Wales, UK
My sister took over the typesetting using an Amstrad 1640 and the typesetting software of the day (using code for the size and style of type (well before windows became popular)).
I kept the saw after my father retired, it was a great piece of precision machinery (it even had a screw adjustable fence in point size)
I still use the pica as a measurement when working on a project with my dad.
Sadly, the linotype was scrapped
The one we had also gad a lead plane as part of the blade.
Thank you! I was trying to figure out how this would fit into typesetting. I studied and worked in print in the 2000s/2010s, mostly litho and screen printing but was around a little bit of letterpress. I moved onto graphic design as I saw the industry shrinking around me but the experience and knowledge has been invaluable, great memories too.
@@markkearney959 I was offered a working linotype few years ago. sadly I don't have a heated space large enough for that monster. It was quite a chore to the molds from jamming. Guy who ran it everyday were masters of their machines.
@@AnthonyStabler I loved my time in front of the keys on the one I used to use. It had its own character, and with the old leather belts and metal fixings, it used to play its own tune.
We would float a pork pie on the lead to warm up for lunch and for the thrill seeker in me, there was always a little excitement when the moulds hadn't quite sealed against the lead injectors and the odd splash of lead would be sent airborne.
On another note, the keyboard was great, and it took me a long time to get used to a qwerty keyboard once I finished
I spent a lot of time as a kid/teenager operating a Hammond metal saw in our printshop.. very similar type of tool tool, made to trim hot lead type slugs, plates, and other letterpress printing things. Insanely accurate.
"Two Clamps and a Shim" - Frank's autobiography proposal to Simon and Schuster.
I learned typography by hand setting foundry type. It's been decades but if memory serves we used a saw like this for cutting "slug" lead strips that separated lines of type. The cubbies under the saw were for those strips which came in different thicknesses. The blade cover and dust bin was to contain the lead dust.
I'm an old letterpressman. That is a lead saw.the original blade had 3 holes for trimmers stick through to clean up the edge of your lead spacing & cast linotype. You need the trimmers to make measurements on the 'miter guage' accurate. The measurements were 12 points to a pica, 6 picas to an inch or 72 points to an inch. Leading came in 1, 2, 6,& 12 point strips. I still use my line guage every day but now I use the metric & imperial measurements on the other side. The hook on the end is very useful. Too bad you didn't get all the accessories that go with the saw. The hole on the right side was a mount for a grinding wheel. Find a blade with a nagative rake angle will help with the ragged cuts. I have that exact saw in my shop. I still use it for lead. The drawer was for lead shavings. My father dold me he had molds for casting little army men, but I have yet to find some. You're the best, Frank!
I'm learning so much more about this. Saw after I published the video? Thanks for the info.
Here’s a link to the brochure: www.galleyrack.com/images/artifice/letters/press/comproom/saw/cg/cg-sawliner-printers-saw-brochure-c1-0600dpijpg.pdf
When you mentioned about rearranging your tablesaws and your Battleship-like jointer you do realize that is going to be a 14 men and a mule team task of Herculean proportions!
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Homer and his bed comments makes me laugh every time. Great stuff, Frank.
When you said that the blade guard was broken in two pieces, I immediately flashed to @mymechanics and thought "I made a new one" and forgot which channel I was watching. If you haven't seen his channel, well worth the visit. I can imagine what he'd do with a restoration of that saw!
These saws were used by me to cut lead rules, lead spacers and trim half-tone photographic plates. Type was very rarely if ever cut on these. The only time I cut type on this was when I cut 2 Monotype S characters in half to insert a rule to make a dollar sign. It was extremely dangerous, I remember it well. The font didn’t come with one in England and luckily we only needed one to do the job.😁 the groove in the bed is where the clamp went to secure the stock in place. If you look up funditor saw you will see many examples.
Super helpful, thanks for the info.
@@frankmakes I imagine you've come across this in the meantime or perhaps someone else has pointed it out but there's a PDF to download if you google "C&G Sawliner - GalleyRack[.]com". Unfortunately, it only shows the machine with the nameplate side so no idea if that's mirrored on the other or not. Neat to read about though.
Hi Frank, I watched the whole series on building your shop. At the time, I thought it was massive. Each time you bring in a new piece of equipment, I realise that no matter how big you built it, there would always be more things to add than there would be room.
It's getting to where I need to clear out some stuff lol
@@frankmakes Hi Frank, it has been nine years since you built your shop. I think it would be a great idea to do a new shop tour, specifically, I would love to hear what you feel you got right, what you wish you would have done differently, and where you see things changing in the future. You have what many of us think would be a dream shop, but watching the building-of videos, it is clear that things like the CNC machine were not on your radar when you built the shop. Dreams have a tendency to evolve over time, and things like the one foot wide electrical power strip help "future proof" the shop. Do you wish you had put more things like underground conduit for electrical in the center of the shop?
I used this saw myself when I was a kid. My father was a journeyman printer back in the hot-type era. He worked as composing room foreman for the local daily newspaper, but also set up a letterpress shop in our home basement. This saw was used all the time to cut the lead slugs - some spacers, some lines, some from the output of a Linotype machine. This brings back so many memories from my own time in the home letterpress shop - 1950's in Joplin Missouri. Thanks for posting this.
Never seen one of these before. Also I loved the little Homer quotes.
It's great to see that saw cleaned up and restored by you, Frank. It's always good to see tools have a new lease on life.
What a great old piece. If you can't find a spot for it... I know a guy. Cheers.
At first I thought it would have looked good re-painted, but by the end of the video the patina is really part of what makes it special!
I would add a dust collect port at that second hole. Cool little saw!
Frank we have always been kindred spirits: you summed it up perfectly when you said you would spend your time making things more creative than the things you can buy
By the way hope you & family have a wonderful holiday season Frank
13:08
I think thats for dusk collection.
If your dustcollection is on the left or on the right side of your trimming saw.
The cover is for the hole you dont need.
I don't think so.
Because that hole is right next to the motor.
A hole for dust collection would be by the blade (just where the dust bin is)
Being a typesetter saw, it will have sawn lead slugs of inverse text. So, the "dust" would have fallen mostly straight down to the bin.
15:14 I'd be opening and closing the drawer constantly just for that sound
'It goes up', 'It goes down'. Superb detail.
I love the dedication to using the Simpson’s reference over multiple videos lol
Frank the music at 10:40 had me grinning ear to ear. I love finding a project to justify a tool purchase. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Frank, I really appreciate you going through the effort in finding something with good content. Appreciate your efforts in filming.😊
“Bed goes up” 🤪
Love it every time
Love HOMER! Bed goes up, bed goes down😂
Who knew they made saws specifically for type? Makes perfect sense but I just never gave it a thought.
The homer simposon snippet had me laughing so hard! Thanks Frank!
This and the Hammond Trm-O-Saw (Hammond Glider) were not used to trim paper products, they were used to trim cast type blocks back when type was hand set. The blocks were made primarily of wood or lead.
*From a 2nd gen printer with a woodworking habit.
To reinforce the epoxy of the guard: I would drill and tap some holes in the side of the guard and bolt a second metal plate to it for reinforcement.
You really added too that machine with the draws a service. Top job.
Those quiet little messages were really starting to freak me out lol thought I was going insane
“Bed goes down”
Well done Frank. Loved the background commentary in the beginning! Very funny.
Looks like a nice little saw to have in the shop Frank. As far as that blade guard repair, I would use some thin Aluminum and cut it to fit over the outside surface of that repaired seam. Then just epoxy it over the seam. You could even use a few small screws to hold it in place as well. Or if you had access to a welder, just weld the outside of the seam. 👍👍
That is a cool saw!
"never took off the back cover"
Somehow, there's a tiny cameraman in there already ;)
That's a really neat tool to have. Can you use that other hole in the side of the cabinet for dust collection?
Bill
Your animations are amazing. Perhaps you could make a video that show how you do them.
Yeah...he has a few in the library
That type of saw was typically used for lead type for printing presses. It may have residual lead dust in the cabinet.
Given that the holes in the case seem to line up perfectly with the motor and pulley, I am thinking there may have been an optional accessory to run off the motor, and/or a provision to run the machine off of a line shaft.
Or there might have been some accesories that you can mount to motorshaft like drillchuck 🤔
Or hook up a shop vac……. Probably not the original intention because there were no shop vacs back then. 😄
It was probably for an accessory. I have a printer’s saw that has provisions for a blade sharpening accessory that attaches to the motor.
You should add a strain relief to the electrical cord where it comes out of the cabinet. A clamp-style electrical box nut should work fine. It might seem unnecessary, but the cord is old, and will appreciate the support.
I love your stop animations. ❤
Frank, I love your videos! I've been successful with the type of epoxy repairs like the guard by putting a thin layer of fiberglass fabric on each side. The fiberglass keep the crack from propagating from the surfaces and the epoxy holds it all together. Keep up the amazing content!
@frankhowarth. thank you Frank! I wasn't expecting anything, let me know what's up -Dan
C & G became C & G Morrison. I have one of their saws and it’s unique in that you hold work to the back of the fence. Mine is equipped with a neat little ratcheting/cam clamping system to help with that.
Hi Frank. We had a similar saw that we cut lead type with.
It finished its life cutting plywood for dies. Ours was in pretty bad shape and had no guards or fence. It was sent to the scrap yard a few years ago. It was nice to see one given new life.
Merry Christmas!
That looks nice! A cute saw and the drawers make it look useful.
Awesome work Frank! I really enjoyed this video, your take on things, and the way you go about a task is always inspirational! And is always outside the box, well done!! Until next time, take care.
Beautiful work, Frank! 😃
Really amazing looking little tool! I loved it!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice find Frank.
That saw is adorable!😁
This little machine reminds me of those saws used to open the fret slots when building guitars and such :D nice little machine
You should put spacers over the bolts for the name plate. That way it would also serve as a vent for the motor.
That’s a very interested saw, Frank. Thanks for sharing it and going into all the details too. I used to work in an architectural millwork shop that had loads of large saws, but also kept my Shopsmith near my bench and found that I used it for all my intricate work, just like I’m sure you’ll find this saw handy for. Very cool stuff. Scott
This video is awesome right
AH!!! At last, Frank. We have something in common. You've reached the limit of table saws you can have in your workshop for reasons of space. Your limit is 3. My limit is 1. (I reached that a long time ago.). Oh and by the way, a minor point, the measurement in typography is Pica, pronounced "PEE-ca" not "PIE - ca."
It makes me happy to see that this was posted about an hour ago and it already has over 5000 views.
Loved the Homer Simpson shout-out. 🤣
Homer ... BEYOND hilarious!
Great video!
I was quietly hoping for a soup-to-nuts restoration in the style of _My Mechanics_ but this was good, too. :)
Some rubbing compound and wax will make that old paint shine.
Nice classic machine!
You’re very close to having enough tools. 👍🏻
I really do enjoy your content especially "table goes up " in homer simpsons voice. Ive heard you use that for maybe a year or so and i always enjoy that portion too.
The spaces where the drawers are going would have had galley trays of type ready to be cut to the correct width (in ems) for columns of type in newspapers or commercial print shops. The saw was a pretty essential tool in letterpress printing especiall for cutting “slugs” of type from linotype or ludlow hot metal type setting.
We were wondering what originally went in those cubbies.
Reality great to watch, including your thought processes. I have some similar approaches
that nameplate is gorgeous. it could act as a vent as well with a few standoffs -- combined with the other side, you would get a cross breeze.
though something tells me that great big motor won't often struggle on such a small saw
Frank has a slight saw problem and I'm here for it!
If the blade guard comes undone, take it to your local welding shop and have them braze it together.
Love Homers voice!
Braze - solder that aluminum gard, do injoy your content thanks for sharing
Would love to see a shop tour update/shop reorganization video
"it's really nice to make squares", a tablesaw is called "squadratrice" in Italian. It literally means "square-makers"
i bet if you put a link belt on that it would sound way smoother, it made a huge difrence on my old delta.
I have 5 of that same bora mobile base. It will forever be my favorite, though I think it's better when you get all 4 wheels to be castor instead of only 2.
I’ve seen these at a couple of print shops I worked. They were intended for cutting lead type. I always thought it would be neat to have one.
That saw is cute
Very nice.
Dear Frank, if you go down a ramp with a rolling object, the object always gets down first. If something goes wrong, all you have to do is to let go. Stay save :)
Nice video. It's a great find and beautiful cabinet. However, if the repair fails, the guard could fall on the blade. It looks like you could scab on a piece on top of the guard... even if it's glued on, it'll be an improvement over the butt joint. JB Weld is fine but I'd consider Black Max.
If the epoxy doesn’t hold it can be tig welded.
Frank - Try low temperature aluminum brazing or TIG welding to repair your saw guard.
Frank, you should install an elevator to safely bring your equipment in instead of that flimsy ramp. There are tons of videos with people installing attic’s elevators using HF motors. I’m sure it would make a wonderful video, as well.
Great video has always! Perhaps the extra hole could become a dust collection port?
You should have a local shop that could sharpen the blade.
Nice addition to your tool collection. Space seems to always be an issue….
14:53 You need a rubber gasket around that power cord that will rub against the metal (saw that in a picture of a similar C&G Sawliner).
Indeed I was waiting the whole video for him to add a grommet there.
@@ps.2 GROMMET...that's the word I was looking for.
I have a Hammond Trim-O-Saw and love it.
I do, too.
Me too.
I wonder if you could attach your dust collection system into the hole on the left side. It is the blade side of the motor and dust did collect there. Hmmm 🤔 Just a thought.
Very cool video and find. I love videos about rehoming and refurbishing old tools like this. I bet that motor has lots of life left in it.
I found that using some nylon of teflon runners on the bottom of the slides makes operation much easier. A plastic cutting board is a cheap source for this.
Is it possible the name plate was lifted away from the side of the machine by spacers that allowed airflow? The screws seem long enough to allow room for that additional accessory. Combined with a vent on the opposite side, there would be some ventilation for the motor.
Easy peasey. This is for cutting spacing material and Linotype/Intertype and Ludlow slugs to length. It's designed to measure PIcas and Points. Be forewarned, points are 1/72 inch.
Frank might have more drawers than anyone in the world
Perhaps turn that dust drawer into a dust collection port.
I was hoping for a complete restore at a point, but I think I might have just carried away.
I wonder if a metal slitting saw would work for a replacement blade?
I have a Hammond trim-o-saw (a sliding top typography saw) that I use when I need VERY precise cuts (intarsia, unusual joinery, etc.). Built in the 50's, it's solid cast iron (I had to use and engine hoist to get it up onto a mobile base).
Forrest will make you a custom blade out of a woodworker II, but they come dear. Best advice I can give is CLEAN THE CRAP outta it, and wear a mask! These things were for cutting LEAD and trust me: think lead PAINT was bad?
Also, thinking about it: theres a bloke on the machinejunky and practicalmachinist forums - crzypete, I think his name was - who has a guide for converting the guides from pics to inches or mm, if you care.
13:41 Might want to make a grommet for that cord going through the metal hole. A few years of vibrations can wear through the plastic of the cord and short the power lines to the case.
Oh yes, I was thinking about that too. Good catch
@@frankmakes Well, if we all live that long anyway!