One thing tho: afaik the z8 only shoots oversampled 4k60 in h265 10bit NLog, but to my knowledge the 4k60 NRAW is lineskipped i a way… i cant confirm it 100% as the 4.1k60 NRAW looks absolutely pristine, so its hard to tell. When i shot both on the same day with the family out i did. However an increased clarity in the h265 clips when i watched it on a big monitor…its absolutely minor, but might be important in lower light…
The Nikon footage looks so much better than sony's. Nikon got depth and character. Sony's footage just look straight out flat. Keep up the good work brother
All true. I'm on Nikon noe, but to be fair, you can get a great looking picture with Sony if you coloe grade well. To be fair, Sony files are very malleable.
@@apocryphal_manyou can nowadays get great looking pictures with any camera if you knows your camera and its limitations, if you knows how to expose and grade your footage. You can even get awesome picture with a iPhone Pro which have a tiny little sensor compared to those Sony FX3 or Nikon Z8.
The neewer adapter falls extremely short in caparison to the Megadap. Definitely give it a try. I found the neewer adapter hunting and very slow to focus.
Interesting video. I should start poking around with video I have a Z8 that is really overkill for photography and sits around a lot. This was an interesting video i didnt know it had dual ISO at 800 thanks for sharing your perspective. I look forward to your opinion of the 35mm 1.4.
Love the video, could you share how you expose your Nlog on the Z8? Esp since it doesn't have a light meter and the only way to gauge exposure is through histogram
Might be a weird answer but I don’t use the histogram, never did. Just taught my eye on how to properly expose for shadows. Hope that answers your question.
Thanks Peter for sharing your experience, it's always great to hear your insights and watch your footage. I'm currently debating which camera to get for my indie filmmaking needs (mostly narrative, some doc stuff... solo or skeleton crew). I was leaning towards the Lumix S5IIX because I have a Blazar Nero that I'd like to use for some narrative projects, but Lumix does not have a very wide market locally (in terms of available lenses, resale value...), but then there is also the Z6III, which seems to be pretty appealing in terms of features for video. I know that your experience is with the Z8, but I also know that you have or had the Nero and explore anamorphic filmmaking quite often. What would you choose if you were in my shoes? THANKS again.
The z6lll looks like a good camera but I’m not sure if it has a downsample option like the z8 has. It is able to down sample from the 8k raw to 4.1k giving you a cleaner image. I’m very happy with the z8! I currently have the aivascope but just waiting to do some sample shots with it on the z8
By the way, only 4.1k24p is downsampled from 8k. 4.1k30p and 60p are line skipped. To make matters worse, the 4.1k24p was reported to have some nasty banding in the shadows. I'm unsure if it is that bad in real-life shooting, but they recommended avoiding shooting 4.1k24p and instead shooting 4.1k30p or 4.1k60p, which is not downsampled.
Great video man! Much appreciated. How much storage CFexpress Type B Cards do you recommend? I'm currently using a second hand nikon D5 with 2 primes and 2 tamron g2 zooms. Really considering the z8 + ftz 2 adapter.
@PeterDiBussolo that makes sense 120p to fast, but at least 4k60p are oversampled? Can you be absolutely specific in this for me? Is it in an option or just by default?
Hi Peter. Great video👏🏾. Im almost in the same boat. But i kept my sony a7s3. I have the z9 and i love it. Yes its big but the quality is impressive. My question is. Are you sure the 4.1 60p raw is oversampled? Ive been using 4k h265 60p oversampled. Yes raw are bigger files but if its oversampled too then im switching to raw.
z8 has better dynamic range and autofocus speed. z6iii may be slightly better in low light focusing but image quality wise z8 will produce more professional results.
Question: im probally going for a nikon z8 but the only thing holding me back with the Z8 is no dual recording function --> im afraid of card failure while filming a wedding or event :s Do you think this is a problem? How do you fix the dual recording issues? (A ninja ontop for backup is a solution but a heavy one)
@@PeterDiBussolo i know but im not talking about switching cards or using cards. Im talking about backups and dual recording functions (recording @ the same time)
Am having throuble to understand if the Z8 is just missing autofocus because it looks like 8 of 10 shots are not in focus. Is that the Z8 or your style? Like its an amazing boke but its just not sharp. Can you explain?
@@Storiofmelyfe can you elaborate on the shots your talking about with time stamps. Of course the beginning shot is on the fireworks and meant to be on the fireworks.
1:15 that banding is terrible. Truth is, with Z8 gives you more latitude in post. If you oversample 4K from 8K, you'll get a cleaner and more detailed image vs FX3.
100%. Fx3/a7siii fake low light king. Trash 12,800 Noise reduction pro max baked in. Would rather have 2nd base at 4000 iso. 12,800 is good if you’re shooting in absolute darkness which sony fan boys often do lol just a hassle to always need to use ND anytime you want to shoot at iso 2000 but you can’t, cuz the noise is really bad unless you go to 12,800. Let alone you don’t even get false colors or waveforms on fx3
It’s hard to listen to what you’re saying. The fx3’s dual native iso starts at 12,800 and cleans right up. Also saying you have seen zero grain on the z8? Thats just a ludicrous statement. I wanted to take on board what you were saying but these broad out of the box hyperbole statements just were just a bit much.
@@PeterDiBussolo I understand what you’re saying but once you add a variable ND filter, ISO800 and 12,800 are cleaner than most/all of them and means you don’t need another iso other than them 2.
Did he hurt your feelings? His statement was quite correct. 12,800 ISO for the second base is very high. He is not the only one who complains about it. 4000 ISO for the second base is the sweet spot. I will take Z8 over FX3 any day, no questions asked. It's not even close.
@@nigerian-nightmareAbsolutely correct. The A7S3 and FX3 have this super high second base which CAN ne super useful in very special situations, but not for almost all usual occassions and the picture quality does suffer especially in the colors. Also using NDs will additionally compromise imagw quality no matter the brand.
@@nigerian-nightmarethere is a huge Sony community on RUclips, which make it quite biased towards that brand. And Sony have a lot of fan boy who don’t necessarily accept any criticism of what ever Sony does. It’s almost like a religion. I was checking last day as I’m looking to buy a new camera. Searching on RUclips, you’ll realise a pattern: Sony videos in general have more views than LUMIX, Fujifilm, Nikon, except those video from some big RUclipsrs in this niche. So do your thing and let the other brand fanboys feeling getting hurt! That a very sad reality of the RUclips game.
@@PeterDiBussolo The overall look of the Fx3 has never been called digital. Also the footage that you show looks better on the FX3 compared to the Z8. You also needed to move the dynamic range stops on the FX3 up pr down depending on what you are shooting.
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One thing tho: afaik the z8 only shoots oversampled 4k60 in h265 10bit NLog, but to my knowledge the 4k60 NRAW is lineskipped i a way… i cant confirm it 100% as the 4.1k60 NRAW looks absolutely pristine, so its hard to tell. When i shot both on the same day with the family out i did. However an increased clarity in the h265 clips when i watched it on a big monitor…its absolutely minor, but might be important in lower light…
The Nikon footage looks so much better than sony's.
Nikon got depth and character. Sony's footage just look straight out flat.
Keep up the good work brother
it produces better greens than canon too :)
All true. I'm on Nikon noe, but to be fair, you can get a great looking picture with Sony if you coloe grade well. To be fair, Sony files are very malleable.
@@apocryphal_manyou can nowadays get great looking pictures with any camera if you knows your camera and its limitations, if you knows how to expose and grade your footage. You can even get awesome picture with a iPhone Pro which have a tiny little sensor compared to those Sony FX3 or Nikon Z8.
The neewer adapter falls extremely short in caparison to the Megadap. Definitely give it a try. I found the neewer adapter hunting and very slow to focus.
I stopped using the neewer adapter and just picked up native lenses.
Can confirm megadap is working very well.
Interesting video. I should start poking around with video I have a Z8 that is really overkill for photography and sits around a lot. This was an interesting video i didnt know it had dual ISO at 800 thanks for sharing your perspective. I look forward to your opinion of the 35mm 1.4.
@@MB-dq2gz no such thing as overkill hahah! The z8 is underrated in my opinion!
Just made a video on the 35 1.4
Hey, can you do a review of the 35 f1.4 especially for autofocus..? Really looking forward to it.
I posted a video on my ig using the 35 1.4. Check it out @bypeterdibussolo
What memory cards do you use with your Z8 wedding workflow?
1tb prograde
Love the video, could you share how you expose your Nlog on the Z8? Esp since it doesn't have a light meter and the only way to gauge exposure is through histogram
Might be a weird answer but I don’t use the histogram, never did. Just taught my eye on how to properly expose for shadows. Hope that answers your question.
You have a waveform too.
I barely use them
Thanks Peter for sharing your experience, it's always great to hear your insights and watch your footage. I'm currently debating which camera to get for my indie filmmaking needs (mostly narrative, some doc stuff... solo or skeleton crew). I was leaning towards the Lumix S5IIX because I have a Blazar Nero that I'd like to use for some narrative projects, but Lumix does not have a very wide market locally (in terms of available lenses, resale value...), but then there is also the Z6III, which seems to be pretty appealing in terms of features for video. I know that your experience is with the Z8, but I also know that you have or had the Nero and explore anamorphic filmmaking quite often. What would you choose if you were in my shoes? THANKS again.
The z6lll looks like a good camera but I’m not sure if it has a downsample option like the z8 has. It is able to down sample from the 8k raw to 4.1k giving you a cleaner image. I’m very happy with the z8! I currently have the aivascope but just waiting to do some sample shots with it on the z8
By the way, only 4.1k24p is downsampled from 8k. 4.1k30p and 60p are line skipped. To make matters worse, the 4.1k24p was reported to have some nasty banding in the shadows. I'm unsure if it is that bad in real-life shooting, but they recommended avoiding shooting 4.1k24p and instead shooting 4.1k30p or 4.1k60p, which is not downsampled.
@@nigerian-nightmare I noticed the banding but doesn’t happen all the time
Wow good info here... Thanks
Great video man! Much appreciated. How much storage CFexpress Type B Cards do you recommend? I'm currently using a second hand nikon D5 with 2 primes and 2 tamron g2 zooms. Really considering the z8 + ftz 2 adapter.
Depends if you want to shoot in Nikon raw. If so I’d recommend 512gb or higher.
Is the 4k on the Z8 a full sensor read out or oversampled?
You have the choice to have an over sample readout from 8.3k in some modes. You can’t get oversampled readout in 120p tho
@PeterDiBussolo that makes sense 120p to fast, but at least 4k60p are oversampled? Can you be absolutely specific in this for me? Is it in an option or just by default?
@KoiAquaponics yes, you just have to turn on extended over sampling. Without a crop as well ;)
@@PeterDiBussolo damn I guess this makes more sense to me than an fx3
@KoiAquaponics also you have more usable iso options.
Hi Peter. Great video👏🏾. Im almost in the same boat. But i kept my sony a7s3. I have the z9 and i love it. Yes its big but the quality is impressive. My question is. Are you sure the 4.1 60p raw is oversampled? Ive been using 4k h265 60p oversampled. Yes raw are bigger files but if its oversampled too then im switching to raw.
The 4.1k 24p is down sampled not 4K 60p. (From what I read)
Less grain as well in raw.
Alright Thank you 😊 Gonna try it on my next videoshoot.
Does the dual native ISO even matter when shooting in H.265 10bit?
@@everythingkevin55 I would think so. It would be like the same thing on any other camera (fx3,fx6) those are 10bit
I’m struggling to choose between the z6iii and z8 for filmmaking.Someone help me choose I mostly do nightclubs and concerts
Find a video where they explain the lowlight on the z6iii and the dynamic range. Might be hard cuz that camera just came out
z8 has better dynamic range and autofocus speed. z6iii may be slightly better in low light focusing but image quality wise z8 will produce more professional results.
Question: im probally going for a nikon z8 but the only thing holding me back with the Z8 is no dual recording function --> im afraid of card failure while filming a wedding or event :s
Do you think this is a problem? How do you fix the dual recording issues? (A ninja ontop for backup is a solution but a heavy one)
there is no dual recording but you can switch from cf to sd in the quick menu.
@@PeterDiBussolo so you can make backups fast from cf too sd? The reason i want to dual record is for backups.
Because im afraid of cf or sd failure
If you have both cards in the slots you can change what recording you want onto what card.
@@PeterDiBussolo i know but im not talking about switching cards or using cards.
Im talking about backups and dual recording functions (recording @ the same time)
@TiboDeRycke no it can’t
Am having throuble to understand if the Z8 is just missing autofocus because it looks like 8 of 10 shots are not in focus. Is that the Z8 or your style? Like its an amazing boke but its just not sharp. Can you explain?
@@Storiofmelyfe can you elaborate on the shots your talking about with time stamps. Of course the beginning shot is on the fireworks and meant to be on the fireworks.
I noticed some focus breathing at 6:05-6:06. Is that what you’re talking about?
@jrbrandgoods9632 yes
Beautiful work. I'm done subscribe
thank you
Nice
1:15 that banding is terrible. Truth is, with Z8 gives you more latitude in post. If you oversample 4K from 8K, you'll get a cleaner and more detailed image vs FX3.
time to get the 1.2s!
@@jakilahmoulien9070 if they only made one for Nikon
@@jakilahmoulien9070 but it’s such a creamy lens on the fx3. It was my to go to lens for years. I shot over 50 weddings just with that lens
@@PeterDiBussolo you mean 35mm right?
@jakilahmoulien9070 yeah
@@PeterDiBussoloI use the sigma f1.2 with megadap etz21 pro. Af is flawless with photo.
100%. Fx3/a7siii fake low light king. Trash 12,800 Noise reduction pro max baked in. Would rather have 2nd base at 4000 iso. 12,800 is good if you’re shooting in absolute darkness which sony fan boys often do lol just a hassle to always need to use ND anytime you want to shoot at iso 2000 but you can’t, cuz the noise is really bad unless you go to 12,800. Let alone you don’t even get false colors or waveforms on fx3
#facts
It’s hard to listen to what you’re saying. The fx3’s dual native iso starts at 12,800 and cleans right up. Also saying you have seen zero grain on the z8? Thats just a ludicrous statement. I wanted to take on board what you were saying but these broad out of the box hyperbole statements just were just a bit much.
Long story short. There’s more usable iso’s on the z8 than the fx3.
@@PeterDiBussolo I understand what you’re saying but once you add a variable ND filter, ISO800 and 12,800 are cleaner than most/all of them and means you don’t need another iso other than them 2.
Did he hurt your feelings? His statement was quite correct. 12,800 ISO for the second base is very high. He is not the only one who complains about it. 4000 ISO for the second base is the sweet spot. I will take Z8 over FX3 any day, no questions asked. It's not even close.
@@nigerian-nightmareAbsolutely correct. The A7S3 and FX3 have this super high second base which CAN ne super useful in very special situations, but not for almost all usual occassions and the picture quality does suffer especially in the colors. Also using NDs will additionally compromise imagw quality no matter the brand.
@@nigerian-nightmarethere is a huge Sony community on RUclips, which make it quite biased towards that brand. And Sony have a lot of fan boy who don’t necessarily accept any criticism of what ever Sony does. It’s almost like a religion.
I was checking last day as I’m looking to buy a new camera. Searching on RUclips, you’ll realise a pattern: Sony videos in general have more views than LUMIX, Fujifilm, Nikon, except those video from some big RUclipsrs in this niche.
So do your thing and let the other brand fanboys feeling getting hurt! That a very sad reality of the RUclips game.
You have your script flipped. The FX3 is more organic and the Z8 is a digital look.
False
@@PeterDiBussolo The overall look of the Fx3 has never been called digital. Also the footage that you show looks better on the FX3 compared to the Z8. You also needed to move the dynamic range stops on the FX3 up pr down depending on what you are shooting.
The overall look of the fx3 is awesome. But I just prefer the z8.
Not false only a Sony Fanboy's opinion matters here. 🙄
@MB-dq2gz I guess so 🫣