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Thanks for continuing to bring attention to these issues. I have yet to get preconditioning to work in my Ioniq 5, despite using the on-board nav, and I have no idea why. I traveled over Thanksgiving weekend and had a frustrating charging experience as well. I stopped at the EA station in Waco on both legs of my trip and two of their six chargers were offline. This is the only halfway decent CCS charger between Dallas and Austin and it's only operating at 67% for the busiest travel weekend of the year. On my return trip I arrived to find two F150 Lightnings and two ID.4s occupying the four available stalls -- pretty much a worst-case scenario. Miraculously the lines weren't too terribly long so I ended up only waiting about 30 minutes to plug in. Those Tesla Superchargers can't open up soon enough for us Hyundai owners.
South eastern Networks to Grab for charging (typically better and not as congested). Circle K Charge (Circle K Gas stations) BP (typically an EVGO charger) FLO handful of them FPL (florida power) they are hit and miss but normally a ghost town and they do have up to 350kwh chargers Wawa (didnt even know these gas stations made it here but they have some chargers as well) Finally Buccees.... Mercedes chargers and they have always been 350 and super fast. (but good luck spending less than 30 mins making into a buccees parking lot) I also find it hilarious that when i plug in, and head to the restroom the ioniq is normally already done charging before i can enter the buccees door......big parking lot haha. Thankfully i havent had to suffer yet with a Battery precon (2022 sel) as temps hit maybe 40f here.
Sadly. I have given up road tripping in my Ioniq 5 or Tesla. The charging network is just too unreliable along the 95 corridor. Too many 6 hour trips turned into 10 or 12 hours because of unreliable chargers. ( and the Model 3 is just not comfortable for long rides, supercharger network not withstanding) So we use our older Pilot for long distance. Someday it will get better.
I’m totally with you on the battery preconditioning. I drive an EV6 and I want a manual activation that works at any level. As you say it's my car and I should be able to do what I want. They can put in a warning or whatever but let me manage it.
I have a GV60 and could not agree more. Having watched some stuff on the newest Porsche EV, and I gave to say they do it right.. love their charging status that shows you the battery temp, with indicators of best range for charging. Love that they show you both what it’s asking for, and what the charger is supplying. Hyundai needs to emulate them.
Absolutely agree. Destination charger preconditioning may be fine for Tesla owners with Tesla’s software and Supercharger network, but with Hyundai and their often well out of date navigation, we need a manual override
Your experience just puts the exclamation point on the issues that exists with our so-called charging infrastructure. Inoperative chargers, the need to use apps to charge, inability to manually activate battery conditioning, uber/lyft drivers charging slowly up to 100%, etc.
It still is mind blowing to me that to get battery temperature we need to use separate OBD2 dongles. Biggest upgrade of the N is that it tells you this information that the car clearly already has.
Thanks for all your nice video’s about the Ioniq 5/6. I’m living in Norway and driving a Hyundai Ioniq 6 (2024) since august. I like the car very much and still learning every day. Anyway… about preconditioning of the battery… it would be great when Hyundai makes it possible to give us the opportunity to start the preconditioning MANUALLY. Of course would it be normal that we can decide when to start and not have the limitation of 20% batterypower! Please Hyundai fix it! Merry Christmas from Norway to you @Ioniq Guy and other readers
We went from Rochester, NY to Roanoke, VA and back for Thanksgiving. The trip is about 9.5 hours of driving time. We made pretty good time on the way down, stopping an extra time to top up before getting to our destination, and ended up taking about 11.5 hours total on the way down. This included one stop a dealer charger, one Tesla charger, and three EA stations. Overall no complaints. Our trip back on Saturday was almost worst case scenario. We decided to take a slightly different route back home to hit more EA stations, but would end up needing to stop at 4 EA stations, the same dealer charger in southern NY (paying $.70/Kwh because it's the only fast charger in the area), and one short stop in Rochester so we wouldn't be empty when we got home as we only have trickle charging at home right now. We ended up waiting 90 minutes to charge at our first stop in PA, and that one we only needed 15% or so to make it to the next stop, where we would need to stop no matter what because there are no fast chargers in northern PA. That really frustrated me, as I think we might have made it with 2% left in the battery, but I didn't want to risk it on the busiest travel day of the year. We then waited 30 minutes at the next EA station, which meant that our 9.5 hours of driving ended up being 14 or so (we left around 9am and got home finally around 11pm). It was also at the last charging stop where I found out the preconditioning button had been toggled off in the settings, so that explained why it hadn't been activating and was taking so long to charge in the cold weather. While the experience was pretty bad (PA, especially northern PA, desperately needs more fast charging stations) it was basically the worst possible experience and that really was only losing a couple extra hours. When you add together the lack of charging stations, the busiest travel day of the year, and EA having network issues we knew that it wasn't going to be smooth, but definitely could have been worse.
Wow! Your video really drives home how challenging it is to take a road trip without a charging infrastructure. I drove my model Y from Baltimore to Utah and back over Thanksgiving and it was a piece of cake. I like the Ionics, but no way would I put up with these serious fueling problems. It sounds like the only real solution is for Hyundai to cut a deal that opens up the Tesla supercharger network to its customers.
That's coming (access to Tesla SCs) and I agree with you. Roadtripping in our Tesla is a breeze. The Ioniq takes more planning and entails a little more anxiety given the issues with so many charging stations. Edit, on the plus side, I can be gone in 15 minutes while the Tesla's will be charging for a lot longer.
Haha, End of October, Montreal to Wise Virginia in our new Ioniq 6 Limited 2024. 1st 3 charges, A-ok. Pottsville we discovered only 12 people have electric cars and only a bunch of level 2s at the 4th floor top of a parking garage. 5 hrs later of charging late Sunday nite and we head to fast chargers in Harrisburg. Yup, you guessed it, all level 2s. A Ford dealer even had a level 1 on a pole outside their dealership. 27 miles of charge, we gambled to go to the airport and yes a fast charger. Too late at nite, fed up and 1 rental desk opened and we rented a van, and parked the 6 for 2 days and headed to rescheduled appointments in Wise by gas. Interesting experience!! :)
Thanks for the trip report! Fortunately we were doing Thanksgiving at home this year, but some relatives on my Mom's side of the family bought a 2024 Equinox EV and roadtripped from Colorado to Utah via I-80. The lower end Ultium stuff charges really poorly due to super low battery voltage (I think 320 volts when fully charged IIRC) so it caps out at 120 kW on 150 kW chargers, and about 150 kW on 350kW chargers, meaning each of their three charging stops was about 45 minutes. That made me appreciate the E-GMP charging curve a lot when I heard that! Crazy enough, they only encountered one broken charger and didn't see a single other EV charging when they came out the Sunday before thanksgiving, and on the way back home on Friday they had very little traffic. Thankfully they are tech-savvy and willing to deal with the EA experience because all the superchargers along the route were V2s so they had no other option. I'd love your perspective on the Equinox EV and Ultium overall if you get the chance! I was impressed with the software and quietness but the interior materials coupled with the charging were not the best. I totally agree that we badly need a preconditioning button. I was recently charging at the Park City EA and because I arrived at 13% I couldn't precondition, resulting in a super crappy session. Also super frustrating that the CCS network is still not the most reliable in 2024.
Thanks for the info on the Equinox EV charging. I've been interested in them along with Ioniq 5s for some time but with this video I'm not so sure now. Might go the hybrid way instead.
@@lcol97 Yep, no problem! We have 3 EV6s in our immediate family (a GT, GT-Line, and Wind), and absolutely love them. Never going back to gas for sure and we're saving a ton of money with cheap power. I'd go for an Ioniq 5 or EV6 again in a heartbeat.
I drove my '22 RWD Limited (yep, no preconditioning) from Marietta, GA to northern Massachusetts. We left Friday 11/22 at 1:30pm, stopped in Richmond overnight, arrived in MA by 11pm Saturday. 24 hours of total drive/charge time (not including level 2 up to 85% at hotel), and that trip was about as good as it gets (aside from a couple slower than expected charge speeds). The way back starting 11/30 through 12/1 (stopped at same hotel in Richmond) was a completely different ballgame. It was colder, so speeds were slower, which was expected. But NJ/PA/DE absolutely SUCKED regarding charger availability and 'station etiquette.' At multiple spots, we waited for over an hour just to plug in, only to have to charge for almost another hour. The EA station in East Brunswick had a line of, no joke, 15 cars waiting for 10 chargers. But people with NJ plates were plugging in and leaving the cars while they shopped at Walmart, charging to well over 90%. That was a repeating theme, local cars doing deep charges, even with people waiting. And yes, many were rideshare drivers and many were Bolts and Kia Niros. We also arrived at a Wawa EA station on the cusp of an heated argument over the charging order for the 8 waiting vehicles. Not wanting to stay to see the end results, we drove to an EVGo that said 100kw plug was available. It was...but only because it was broken. So we waited for 90 minutes for one of the other 3 working plugs behind, you guessed it, Bolts and cheap Kias charging to 90%+. And new arrivals at the EVGo confirmed that the EA station was still a mess with some characters waiting. We didn't get to the hotel in Richmond (which my wife prebooked as nonrefundable the day before, even with my protest) until 2:45am...almost 19 hours after leaving Lowell, MA. Minimal traffic, mainly charging issues. Sunday was better due to the warmer southern states and less station demand, but Saturday was bad enough for me to say, "Done," regarding long road trips.
Exactly! My 2023 Tesla Model Y has no restriction to battery conditioning even below 10%, come on Hyundai / Kia get with the program, your cars are excellent except for this one issue that can be fixed in a heartbeat! I am looking at going back to Ioniq 5 IF this is fixed and you move the charge port to the Rear drivers side like the 2026 EV6 as hear in BC and Alberta CCS charging is a dead horse and would prefer to charge even at 140KW on Tesla Supercharger then attempt Electrified Canada total lack of operational chargers.
@@berthogendoorn2133 I have family in BC and remember the difficulties finding chargers when I was there in my EV a couple years ago. I now live in New Brunswick and travel through Quebec quite a bit. The charging infrastructure in Quebec is really well done. In many cases you’ll be able to choose between 3 different powered stations (50kw 400v, 100kw 400v, 180kw 800v) and the price is tiered based on how fast your car is charging. Rates range from $0.36/kw up to $0.60/kw and when your car is charging below 20kw, they start charging by the hour. They also charge by the hour when your SOC is over 90%. Traveling through QC is really a pleasure because they have such well thought out charging infrastructure. I also travel through NY a fair bit, and they have pretty good infrastructure too. It is not as good as QC, not even close, but I can travel through upstate NY without any problems.
Took a 1k mile trip to south Texas last year on New Years weekend. EA lines were bad in TX I35 corridor. I was cheap and only planned EA charging because I am still on the free charging plan. If I knew what I know now, I would have taken whatever was available. Outside of TX, charging and precondition was ok. Nav would have been way easier if we had a button though. I won't travel on a holiday weekend with the same planning again.
Yes, we need manual preconditioning @hyundai!! We are on a trip as I write this between Maine and New Jersey. Finding charging stations in the GPS is a DRAG and I find that the preconditioning doesn't always even work consistently. Please Hyundai, for this.
Same issues on my EV6. Won't precondition below 20%, no manual preconditioning option, and also adjusting the charge limit via the app disables the battery preconditioning setting on the car and I have to remember go in and turn it back on next time I drive (Kia keeps closing my ticket where I reported the last thing as a bug, too).
Was roadtripping a couple days ago in my 6 in 20 degree weather - the absolute most bizarre of all the preconditioning behavior to me is it shutting off right before you arrive at the charger even above 20%. 5 minutes before I arrived at a charger, the preconditioning turned off while I still had 25% charge, and then when I arrived there was a line... by the time I started charging, the battery was cold and my charging speeds were horrendous. Not sure how best to apply pressure to Hyundai but my god does preconditioning need an overhaul.
I did a 200 mile road trip for thanksgiving and I loved it. Didn’t pre condition on the way up bc I forgot to set it. Did it on way down. At electricity America I only charged for 10 mins and it was glorious. Sucks about the ride shares hogging
Totally agree on preconditioning. I have 2023 I5 SEL as my first EV and will not buy another EV without this manual function. We are living in Northeast and have to deal with this 4 to 5 months out of a year. Korea is a pretty northern country and they should know this better. No precondition button, no more Ioniq, period. My current workaround is like this: 1. use nav on iphone to route to next charger but NOT connecting carplay. (because in-car nav and carplay nav cancel each other) 2. at about 28% charge remaining on battery or 35 miles to your next charger, whichever comes first, use Hyundai nav to route to whatever DC fast chargers nearby in order to turn on preconditioning only (ignore its navigation direction of course). 3. this method also helps when in-car nav can't find the charger you want to go to, which happens quite a lot.
I'm still driving on ICE Honda CR-V, and I have only owned Hondas and Toyotas my whole life. I think they're EV's suck, so I have been seriously considering getting the Hyundai Ioniq 5 when I decide to get a new car. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. Hyundai needs to get their act together if they want to convert people who are not early adopters (i.e. me), into buying their first EV. Love the channel keep up the good work
Everything you said is 100% true. I agree with everything from the Uber drivers and the Chevy bolts spending 2 hours at a charger. And it is a joke that these companies are not penalized for having systems that people are reliant on break down
THANK YOU for this info. We were planning a road trip to the north in our i6 later this month so this is good to know. I already have a lot anxiety about charging station availability
I understand your pain. I traveled with my family to Los Angeles for Thanksgiving and coming back to Sacramento on Saturday was a pain. I own a Hyundai Ioniq SEL RWD 2024. We depart from LA at around 3 PM and we stopped to charge at Harris Ranch - Electrify America on 5 N bound. It was a looong waiting line (aprox. 15 cars) we wait 2 hours in that line and another 33 minutes to charge from 20% to 90% because I needed that SoC to reach my home. We reach our home at 12 AM in the night...The traffic was horrible and the charging experience just sucks. I hope for better in the next years to come.
I have the same car (bought in August) and have been nervous about driving that route to LA. Hopefully its less crowded and easier on non-holidays. How do you like the car?
I drove Vancouver to LA in the fall. It was actually surprisingly good until Sacramento. Then it just went downhill. It seems like anything between LA and past the grapevine is just horrendous.
Sounds like a frustrating story! Luckily I only had to drive around 2 hours on Thanksgiving day to visit both families, and I did so on one charge. I have noticed slower charging times in the cold though on my Ioniq 6.
Your video reminds me what charging was like in the UK when we first got our EV6 about 2 years ago. The UK government has put fines in place for poor reliability and magically we get dependable and reliable chargers.
January sixth, sitting here and looking at chargers in Colorado and many of them are packed in my area, ran into the same thing yesterday. Very frustrating to say the least. Never have been able to get a 350 kW to work on my Ioniq 6 either, no matter the temperature, so not sure if there is something gong on there also.
It’s not only activating, it shuts off at 20%. I was getting to a charger at around 15% battery precondition shut off at 20% leaving that battery at 53 degrees. Added about 10 minutes to the charge time. Not the end of the world, but it does matter a bit on a roadtrip.
COMPLETELY AGREE!!!! Don't treat me like a child. Give me a warning maybe if the battery is low but let me chose. I would rather pull into the charge at 5% with a warm battery than 10% with a cold one. We had a very similar experience with a Thanksgiving road trip in our Ioniq 5. We only had to wait to charge 1 time but I had to charge over 80% several times in order to stay above 20% and condition the battery to charge. We were traveling form Norhtern Indiana to East Tennessee and the trip took over an hour longer than the exact same trip in the summer and it was all due to the crappy charging and conditioning experiences.
When my wife and I went electric a couple years ago we were about to pull the trigger on the Ionic 5 when it first came out but we watched a bunch of Tesla road trip videos (outofspec) and seeing how easy supercharging was we got a model 3 instead. It’s crazy that after all this time charging is still a pain in the ass for other electric cars.
I wanted to get either an Ioniq 5 or 6, but kept deep diving on the efficiency, range, and charging issues with CCS. I was already driving a Bolt and knew too well the challenges with CCS. There are more CCS chargers today than there were, but there are more cars now needing those chargers. We are now starting to see the big travel center operators and even oil companies starting to roll out chargers in a big way. So hopefully this means the tide is finally starting to turn. Last year for the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays after being lined up and waiting at some Chargepoint chargers multiple times at different stops and then taking forever, I had no preconditioning options and even if I did after sitting there for over an hour to get my turn to charge the battery would have been cold anyway. I had my fill of it and the over an hour long charging sessions at each stop. I knew if I jumped into either of the Ioniq's I would still be in the same boat with limited and slow chargers in the rural parts of the midwest during the holidays. Wasn't really a problem during the summer months when it is warmer and the chargers aren't swamped with holiday travelers. But winter was brutal. So I decided I had to take a beating financially and sell the Bolt and get into something that has preconditioning, charges faster, has preconditioning, and the chargers were plentiful and reliable. That meant the only real option was a Tesla. I would still like to have an Ioniq to be honest, but I wait patiently for the day when we start to see chargers everywhere and that these holiday road trip reports are largely just complaining about the traffic and not trying to figure out how to get a charge. Even with the Tesla I have had to scramble to find chargers on road trips, but that is a much easier task than with my Bolt. I know everyone is starting to get access to the Tesla SC network now, but Tesla is still behind the times and unable to support 800v+ architecture vehicles yet. V4 is coming, but I think it will still be quite a while before there are enough of them to make travel easier with the 800v+ cars and trucks. So for the time being I will be patient and watch how this develops. The lure of the faster charging 800v+ cars is calling me. In the mean time the Tesla works.
@Longsnowsm I think Tesla can get away with the slow charging with how insane the amount of stations they have is. Ok road trips I never stop forore than 15 minutes and then off to the next station. If the competition were this easy to road trip I bet Tesla would come out with faster charging.
@@jeffreyjoseph559 Faster charging is coming to Tesla. Tesla's V4 announcement for 2025 deployments came out. They stated that there will be more V4 than V3 chargers by the end of 2025. Assuming that means they will be deploying V4 cabinets at V3 sites that already have the V4 dispensers. All that being said our older 400v cars won't see any advantage at those chargers. It looks like the faster competition is coming. Lots of new deployments this year and they are ramping up pretty fast. I see Ionna just announced yet another new site today. I have been tracking the Pilot/Flying J deployments and they are on a tear right now. If I charge for 15 minutes I don't get the range I want in my M3 when I am road tripping so I end up having to make more stops or stay longer at the charger. Of course the longer you stay the slower it charges. The Tesla charging curve is a charging slope! LOL I am typically sticking around for 20 minutes, sometimes more depending on the stop facilities and how far I want to go on the next leg of the trip. I would be very happy to be able to go from 10-80% SOC in about 15 minutes. Hyundai/Kia states 18 minutes with the current car, but looks like it will be just over 20 minutes with the larger battery for 2025. This is why I stay glued to The Ioniq Guy channel to see what is going on with Hyundai/Kia. I really would like to be able to jam a lot more kwh into the battery for roughly the same amount of time I stop now.
Great video Corbin, please keep raising these issues for Hyundai and the CPOs to address! I'm one of the 22 RWD owners with no battery heating hardware, and 'Lucky I live Hawaii' as the saying goes since all of my charging is L2 and ambient temps are rarely below 70f anyway. Someone pointed out that there was an asterisk or fine print somewhere on the I5 spec sheets indicating that RWD did not have a battery heater, but as a first-time EV buyer this would have meant nothing to me even if I had seen it, and I was hugely disinclined to buy AWD in any case because of its substantial MSRP upcharge and my lack of any need for it otherwise. Very stupid design call by Hyundai, but fortunately not a problem in my case and I love the car otherwise!
Yes, a button for conditioning would be great, and a warning instead of stopping after reaching 20% would be even better. It's up to me as a driver to plan for how to reach a charger in time. After learning your car for a couple of years you probably know the consumption in different weather conditions quite well. I own a 2023 Ioniq5 RW Limited and I'm very pleased with the car, even if the navigation software and battery conditioning options could improve. On the flip side, living in Sweden, the charging infrastructure is really good. I have a subscription on the Ionity network giving me a 60% discount for a SEK 137 ($12:50) monthly payment. On busy days there can be queues at Ionity in some places, but as there are so many new charging networks there ara often other available nearby.
My first experience with preconditioning was last week when I started heading for the charger at 18% and wondered why it didn't activate even though I had a station in the navigator. My 24 Ioniq 6 took around 35 minutes to go from 17% to 81% and I think I maxed at 120kw. I thought there was some preconditioning control on the Bluelink app but apparently it's just there for show. Guess I know for next time.
Damm man I thought you knew the trick of setting the destination and shifting to park once it starts preconditioning to let the car sit parked (in your driveway) but preconditioning. It’s a great trick when the charger is 4 min from where you’re parked.
@ I thought they recently lowered that 20% limit, as I was able to precondition via route planner below 20% a month or two ago, but not a year ago.. Either way, A BUTTON PLEASE for Manually controlled preconditioning..
Hi Everybody, been watching you for awhile and joined your membership. Great episodes youa re producing. So I have an Ioniq 5 (March 2023 purchased) in Australia. I can't seem to see that menu for pre conditioning. Is that because I don't have pre conditioning, or is the software in Australia more restricted?
Hello and thanks for becoming a channel member! If your car does have it it would be under the EV settings menu. I'm not sure how your cars are specced but it's possible if you have a RWD model that it doesn't have battery conditioning. If you look in your manual it should be in section 1-20.
thanks for the tip - I checked the manual no mention of it in that section or anywhere so I guess I don’t have that feature in my 2023 model. Yes it is the RWD 77kwh version.
2023 RWD does have battery conditioning. Are you clicking the settings button from the EV screen? This is the screen where all your EV stats and settings exist.
@@TheIoniqGuy yep, it is not there. I have a video I can send you privately if you want. Basically in order I see Charging Limit (DC/AC), AC Charging Current, Utility Mode, Smart Recuperation, Charging connector locking mode, Audible charging Info.
2024 GV60. I have to force it to an EA station to charge and then listen to navigation to a place I know how to get to just to get the battery precondition. BUTTON NOW for preconditioning!
I just got my EV6 GT earlier this year and this would be my first Thanksgiving using it. It's already tough using an ICE car but with an EV it's just on another level due to the lack of many things. First, there isn't enough chargers still. The current infrastructure isn't even close to handing regular holidays let alone more popular ones like Thanksgiving and Christmas where people tend to travel a lot more. I know access to Telsa network is just around the corners for us Kia/Hyundai/Genesis owners but it couldn't come soon enough. I know we will have even more 350kW charging networks come online though next year so there is that too. The second reason is people's lack of knowledge on what they should and shouldn't do when charging their cars. The lack of etiquette is mind blowing. A lot of these drivers just don't know what the heck they are doing. They're not planning their trips better to avoid multiple unnecessary stops. They're driving super fast beyond 80+ mph and complain why their range isn't correct. People are charging beyond 80% when they don't need to or when there is a long line. Then you have those free charging people that will stay for 30mins no matter what even if that push them beyond 90%. Free charging is a nice perk if people are willing to use it on their own time. I don't have a problem with that. I just have an issue that they feel like their time is more important than others when there is a line. I currently pay for my charging even though I still have some free credits left with my car. I took advantage of signing up for the EA pass knowing that I would be doing a lot of charging during the Thanksgiving week long break. I wanted to save up my free credit for my future trips next year. Most likely I won't be doing the EA pass again unless I know I will be doing a lot of charging again which I doubt. Most of my charging is at home and I only use DCFC on trips out of town. I do understand if you want to go beyond 80% let's just say to 85% to avoid having to charge one more time before heading home but that should be it. Any more time beyond that is a waste of time. I know this will be a mute point soon but it is the state of charging that we are in right now. Lastly people should be charging at their house whenever they can even while visiting others. I always bring a level 2 charger with me with multiple adapters to work with the dryers/range port. I also got an extension wire just in case as well. I always charge up to 100% prior to leaving on any trip from home. The less you charge outside the better experience you will have imo. This is why I put range as my #1 factor when it comes to my next EV. The GT is nice of course and I still love it around town but it just doing have the range that I want when it comes to traveling. I knew I wasn't going to be traveling as much as I used to so I was fine with getting that as my first EV experience. For me I need a range of at least 300 miles on a full charge or even better at 80%. This would be ideal for me. A trip with 5 charging stops will only become 3 which is more manageable. It would be almost comparable to an ICE car experience which I wouldn't mind so much at all. If I'm adding another 30mins to an hour to my trip then sure fine but if I'm having to add 2 hours then it's just not worth it to me to take an EV. My preference will always be an EV over ICE but that gap needs to get closer for me to be ok with everything. Right now I would still recommend getting a hybrid over an EV due to the state of charging at this time.
Had a similar experience taking 90 to Boston. The stakes were high, I was trying to see my mom before she died. Figuring out how to hack the nav system (the rest stop chargers on 90 weren’t showing up as POIs) to force BC added so much unnecessary stress. Not to mention there was 1 non-tesla charger and it was 50 kWh. We did make it in time to see her, but come on Hyundai! Invest in your UX. It makes a big difference in people’s lives
Oh man.. yes Hyundai just add manually-engaged battery preconditioning to the software .. sheesh! Add some kind of warning pop up or something if you feel you have to..
I drive all day for work, and often, I am only at 20% or less when I finally head to the nearest charger. Up until this year, I only have had 50kW chargers in my area, but now that we have several 100kW up and running, a couple locations with 180kW and one location with 350kW, I would certainly like to see preconditioning below 20%.
16:15 We recently finished a three week, 4000 mile road trip from St Paul to the coast of North Carolina. Surprisingly good fast charging available through rural Iowa, Missouri, Tennessee and Alabama. Back in Minnesota for Thanksgiving, it was quite cold that day and we had to charge for our 100 mile return trip to visit an elderly relative. The 50 KW charger at the bank was occupied, the two 150s at a dealership did not activate, and it was COLD out there. Finally got another 80 kW charger to start to get enough charge to get home. With the incoming President rattling on about doing away with EV‘s, I hope that the Southern state governors and other economically interested parties will push back and continue the EV rollout in this country.
Clearly frustrating! But bear a thought with us in Japan where the Ionia 5 will charge at 82kW max (102 for 8 minutes) and most chargers can’t even output more than 50kW. So 72kW with a cold battery sounds like paradise!
This is why I am waiting for the 25 refresh well the pre condition button and the Tesla Supercharging network. Wonder if its the same they wont let you condition under 20% regardless Ill be happy to just press a button instead of fiddling with a nav. Just put money down to hold a Limited looks like a Jan/Feb delivery cant wait!
@TheIonicGuy funny you ask about weekend travel.. Sunday night when I went to drive home I the GV60 I got a warning to check EV drive system and found the car in limp mode. Started to drive home via surface streets but after a short bit got another message to stop driving and check Power Supply. Shortly after that, just after calling for roadside assistance it died entirely. Had to use jump pack to wake it enough to roll onto tow. The ICCU part under recall failed, stopped charging the 12v. If you ever wanted to know how long you can drive without the virtual alternator functioning the answer is Not Long! Dealer fixing entirely under warranty, and doing the rest of that recall work. Hopefully will have it back tomorrow or Monday
100%. I drive in rural Kansas and there is a new charger that is not in the Nav yet. There is nothing around it so i cant set a different charger to start preconditioning. Sooooo stupid.
Absolutely dying to have manual pre-conditioning on my GV60 Performance. Not that big of a deal since 99% of my driving is local, but ludicrous I have to trick the system to get it pre-conditioning with fake locations since they're missing from the in-built nav some of the time. Also very much agree with being allowed to pre-condition under 20%. Thanks for fighting the good fight!
I am partial to EVGo stations because of the proximity to my home in the Philly suburbs on the NJ side. I found that the Tesla stations with offering magic dock are a welcome plan B when looking for an alternative. There seems to be so many of them.
We road-tripped for Thanksgiving too in our Ioniq 5. Drove from Boston to the Catskills on Tuesday (275 miles). Made two charging stops so as not to arrive with low SOC. Both EA stations (Lee, MA outlet Mall and Kingston BoA). Both easy charge ups. At my son's place we did some level 1 charging to get back up over 80%. This was good because the power went out Thanksgiving morning as we were all just getting up. Used V2L to power enough of the house to make coffee and breakfast. On the trip home (Saturday) we skipped the (relatively) nearby stop at Kinston and went straight on the Lee, MA stop. There was a line, but my wife had more shopping to do, so she was not disappointed. When I got my turn at a charger, my preconditioning had long since stopped as I was in the low teens SOC. But the biggest issue was that the EA App stopped working. Couldn't swipe start or use my EA Apple Wallet card. Got charging started with a credit card. I've never seen the app fail before. I wouldn't show any EA locations on its map, including the one I was at, and it kept popping up the "Oops! something went wrong" banner whenever I tried to check my account info. But I got charged before my wife finished shopping, so no time lost to charging issues. The Ioniq 5 is fun to drive and is especially nice when the holiday traffic gets really slow on the Mass Pike. I just set adaptive speed and lane tracking and sit back through the slow stretches.
Getting NACS access next month should fix the issue. Even at only 97kW (because Hyundai/Kia didn't give it a proper 400V booster) is still better than waiting on a line for Bolts to finish their 3 hour long charge. Or having issue with broken chargers, screens, payment readers, or bad apps.
A proper booster? Why would they have put in a bigger booster, which would have been expensive and heavy? When these cars were designed there was no clue that they would ever have access to 400v Tesla superchargers. Putting in a higher power booster would have been engineering malpractice.
@jamesrea329 Maybe because Tesla had been saying for years that they would open up their network, the largest in the world by far, and had already begun to do so in Europe. They make billions on Superchargers, how could not opening it to make even more money not be foreseen? Or how about a simple splitting of the pack in two when charging on 400V chargers. If others can do it, so can the brilliant German and Korean engineers at Hyundai/Kia.
@ Elon’s said a lot of things for years that haven’t come true. This only happened now because of NEVI funding (and no, Tesla doesn’t make billions selling electricity, why do you think the supercharger team was fired?). Hyundai actually has the best booster system, using the rear motors for the boost. It’s twice as fast as Lucid and the stock Porsche system. Porsche will sell you a slightly bigger booster for $1500, I wonder how many they’ve sold? And even at 97kW the Hyundai cars charge pretty fast from 10-80% due to their excellent charging curve. I’ve charged my GV60 at a magic dock, it maintains 97kW all the way up to 83% SOC, when most other cars have dropped way below that. If they would just add a preconditioning button I would have no complaints.
@jamesrea329 Then they must be lying to the SEC, because Tesla reported profits of over $6 billion selling electricity worldwide last year. And like I said, all it takes is a simple splitting of the pack when charging on 400V chargers.
I did a round trip from Atlanta to Pittsburgh over the thanksgiving weekend in my IONIQ 5. The efficiency was insanely low, but thank god for preconditioning and ABRP. I was constantly monitoring my battery temperature, and it made it much easier. Though it was much easier during the summer as the range was a lot better. I wonder if we start off at a high temperature the efficiency might be better. I also saw a lot of Pilot charging stations showing up on the way so that's promising.
I used my T-day road trip to try out one of the 7-11 charge stations. Went okay, card reader worked, app not required. Speed wasn't my car max though, but unsure if that was charger or car related. I had planned and condition for an EA station but it was completely full so kept going till I got the the 7-11. Charger screen sucked though, tiny as hell, unreadable unless you walk right up to them. It also doesn't e-mail you a receipt at the end, kinda lame if you've been keeping track like I have. Location was actually great, convince store but also a pizza joint, 5 guys and a couple of spots for what I'm guessing will be other food joints in the future. little strip mall.
Two of the biggest issues is that 1- the automakers and Charging companies have not been aggressive enough in making plug in charge the norm. In our teslas we just plug in and that’s it. Every company should aim for that, why is it such a pain in the ass for you to take peoples money with all these broken credit card readers. 2- it’s dumb as hell that they only install like 4-6 stalls meanwhile I’ve rolled into Tesla stations with 16-20 stalls. It’s like they assume only 4 people in town X own an electric car or will ever drive through there.
I've seen one or two Teslas charging at a EA station when I know there's a supercharger with a dozen stalls nearby. I assume they wanted the cheaper rates or something. It's really annoying that CCS stations seem to have been only built with 3-4 stalls and superchargers usually have a dozen.
I also had the impression that people charging to 100% were idiots but they are probably on the leased vehicles or plan to have temporary ownership and don't care about the longevity and don't want to make frequent stops multiple times a week to have any sort of range that they're comfortable with the cold weather setting in
In addition to manually pre-conditioning, I do wish you could pre-condition while L1 or L2 charging. While it does sound counterintuitive it would be useful to get yourself above 20% with a warm battery so everybody else can hurry up and get on their way.
Holiday travel, particularly Thanksgiving, is always risky regardless of whether you go by plane, train or automobile. Everything is running at close to full capacity.
Charging at the Electrify America stations I noticed that as the stations all fill up the charging rate decreases so even if you're fully preconditioned some charging stations I think limit the current. You can see the rate go up and down as people come and go.
Understand your problem with not being able to precondition. I have a 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD, thus preconditioning isn’t even available. Travel from Virginia to Florida over 2 days with temps below 40 most of the time so each charging stop was 2 to 3 times longer than usual. Boy was I glad when we got back into warmer temps around Ocala and charging returned to normal is did efficiency.
Couldn't agree more with your comments. The onboard navigation is terrible to try to set a specific EV charger when you are in route. In Canada it's even more of a fail, as they don't have filters for the Canadian EV networks. You need to use your phone to get the exact address of the charger then enter that into the Hyundai nav. I love my Ioniq 5 but the Hyundai navigation and lack of manual preconditioning button mean that we road trip in our Model Y. And of course, the charging infrastructure. I have 8 EV network apps on my phone and half of them require you to have a balance that you draw down. What a pain. I never travel without using Plugshare to check station status. It's a must have for the CCS traveller.
My Ioniq 6 RWD (base-model) has no battery pre-conditioning at all. But it is really no great issue as we almost never have temperatures anything below -5C even in winter inland. Maybe up in the ski-fields of the mountains, overnight, you would get these temperatures. Around our home suburbs that would be absolutely never (in recent years) that we have temps below 0C.
I did a trip last year the day after Christmas in my EV6 and that was a nightmare, a 45 minute line early in the day then a 3 hour line in quartzite where 1/4 chargers were broken and the other 3 were operating at ~50kW. Did the same route the Sunday after Thanksgiving in my model Y and it was completely painless. Sure the small stations with 8 stalls were full, but my two stops were a 36 stall station then an 84 stall station and neither had lines. Granted the model Y charging curve is abysmal but any speed is faster than no speed.
I get the complaint about preconditioning, but given how most people are, I'm not sure it's valid to say "I own the car, I should be able to treat it how I want". Because lots of people are not very sophisticated in their understanding of how EVs work and how to operate them. I'll bet that when you take the average car owner into account, there's a reasonable reason Hyundai has imposed the 20% SOC limit. Besides, the car could (and maybe does) just condition the battery as part of the charging process. Sure, that's going to slow things down a little, but it shouldn't be that bad, and frankly if I understood the video correctly, it only took maybe 10 extra minutes or so to charge without preconditioning, which doesn't seem like a huge inconvenience to me overall, given that it's only a "once in a while" sort of thing. As for rideshare drivers, yeah that behavior's annoying. But the charging station manufactures and operators should be the ones to fix the problem, by allowing and implementing policy that shuts off charging when the charge rate gets too slow. Combine this with a queue (I've seen charging stations that do in fact have a queue, and this could easily be implemented in an app), and make it so that if someone doesn't move their car after some reasonable amount of time (say 10-15 minutes max) after their charging session has completed, they are billed extra. The extra billing should at a minimum cover the charging session of the next person in the queue who is waiting for that space, for as much time of that charging session as the charging spot has been blocked by a car that should've been moved, possibly with an extra surcharge (flat rate or percentage, I don't care). This addresses the problem in a more holistic way, not singling out rideshare drivers who may or may not actually be violating norms, and making it so _everyone_ has a vested interest in cooperating at the charging station. Not that rideshare companies don't deserve criticism. They very much do, and I'm sad anyone even uses Lyft or Uber. The only positive element of that business model is the real-time dispatch of drivers. But that technology _should_ have been just applied to licensed, regulated taxi services. The rideshare companies abuse their employees (who they don't even want to admit are employees), their customers (who often have to suffer drastic swings in costs based on a wide variety of factors outside of their control, never mind the whole "rate the passenger" crap), and take public space from everyone while insisting that they should remain outside the purview of regulators who are in charge of making sure the public space is shared equitably.
I was able to activate preconditioning at 21% and went all the way to 18% when I got to EA. Still got 70kw the whole 30 minutes of charge. I been charging 40+ minutes & paying the difference
3000 miles MI=CO-MI over the Thanksgiving week in a Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally. Only 1 poor session. I wish all had working card readers. This is a solved problem for gas, and there should be no reason this will not work for chargers. I used a combination of Google Maps, ABRP, and the Ford Built-in Nav. None were perfect, but there is improvement from just this summer.
My ioniq was in the shop getting repairs from a deer hit on the day before Thanksgiving, but we pretended like we had a gas car, used abrp and simulated a 5 hour drive in the New England area. First charger was a 350, all 4 stalls appeared to be working and no one was there (pilot station with canopy!) the second planned stop had 4 applegreens two were in use. No wait, but would have been shared speeds.
I have one EV for city driving and want to replace my second car that I use for road trips with an Ionic 5 or 6. The issues you highlight in this video w/ battery conditioning and charging stations are what are holding me back from making the purchase.
Judging by internet commenters, I might be the only person on the planet that *loves* the look of the Ioniq 6. But videos like this make me glad I didn’t buy one. Hyundai’s refusal to address their software lost them a sale to me. Instead, their ostrich-head-in-the-sand attitude about their software drove me to other makes. Before people downvote me, consider that Hyundai needs to see feedback like this. If they had just had a small handful of software engineers spend a few months fixing the UI of their software and making it much easier to find chargers and plan routes and precondition the battery, I’m sure I wouldn’t the the only one who would have bought an Ioniq. Hyundai, hear me: fixing your crappy infotainment software isn’t just a nice-to-have for existing owners. It’s a deal-breaker for prospective purchasers like me. It’s literally costing you sales and money.
Hey.. Have any EV3 test plans? I have one and would love to know if some of the stuff you are selling works in it :D Also i live in Denmark so best regards from here :)
Would love to but not coming to the US for a while. The cup holder expanders are specific to each car I sell them for. The door lock device may work but I will have to get confirmation from my manufacturer before I'm able to sell.
@@TheIoniqGuy Sucks. Kinda funny how the EU gets them first. Got mine with plates almost 1 month ago. Great car btw. Totally a Niro/Kona killer in terms of spec and price. At least here in the Danish market. But thanks for great content keep it up 👍
If your passengers don't mind you can always yo-yo before charging to warm the battery. Crank up regen, hammer it, regen tonslow, hammer again, over and over. The battery will arm up some to avoid cold gating on plugin. Out of spec did a nice video on it with two of an identical car that didn't have precondition options andnit worked great.
I was surprised 2 weeks ago during a long range trip, with a “forced” firmware update on my Ioniq 6 after we got to the hotel. Didn’t ask if I wanted to update now that I’m a few hundred miles from home. After that update, my range changed from 325 to 265. WTF?!? Did this happen to anyone else?
I can't find a place in my Hyundai Kona EV to put my garage opener because It won't fit on my visor and the glasses thingy above doesn't quite work either. I end up having to lay it in my cup holder for easy access. Anybody else have this issue? Any thoughts or recommendations?
We didn’t travel for Thanksgiving, but we will be coming back from AZ to FL Christmas week. I HATE holiday travel, but this is the only time we can do this trip and it’s important since it could be our last time to see my wife’s sister. I guess we’ll try to keep expectations low. As for the battery conditioning, that was one of Hyundai’s dumbest decisions. I can’t figure why car companies leave such annoyances an addressed in otherwise fabulous cars, especially ones that are simple software fixes. It almost seems malicious. Same thing with the torque feedback instead of capacitive feedback on the steering wheel when using HDA2. My hands ARE on the steering wheel ya dumb car!! Rant off. 😊
So if you make it habbit of coming down to the philly area, you might be better off going across the bridge to new jersey to charge. You can get on 95 in the cherry hill area instead of fighting over the city chargers. I believe the bridge toll only applies going from NJ into philly.😊
I likely will next time. What boggles my mind is all those rest stops along 95 have no CCS chargers, only Tesla. Would have loved the convenience of using those
@TheIoniqGuy yea when I drive up to New York from south jersey the only chargers are at the rest stop 1/2 way, and they are broken. Basically a dead zone because of protected woodland too in Central jersey
I made the mistake of charging at a mall the day after thanksgiving. There were 2 tow trucks dropping off cars to charge. Somehow after a decade we're still on the bleeding edge of EV adoption.
I am in Québec Canada so, YES, I want a preconditionning button that I can use as I want. I think I have enough intelligence to use that button by myself. And if I do not use it correctly, it will be my fault and I will assume it.
Feel your pain! What about yo-yoing the car on the way when you can’t precondition as Kyle Conner did in a video last winter with an ID4 in 3f temps? It really worked! Not ideal, but worth a shot for 10-15 mins if you have no option?
I apologize for posting this on another one of your videos, but in hopes that it will get Hyundai to pay attention, and since it is related to the video, this was my story on Thanksgiving. First of all, the range estimates, especially with battery preconditioning were often between 60 to 100 miles off. This made it very difficult to know where I should be stopping, and of course it is as you said very difficult to find charging stations using the vehicle navigation system. In addition, we tried to use EA only since we are in the last month of our two years of free charging. We did use the a better route planning app on the way there, but while it was preconditioning the battery, it did not realize that sometimes we were heading to a charger and would take us to a charger that took us further away to get to the charger that we had charge for. This added two hours to our trip up to Michigan from Maryland. I get that range estimates are difficult, but there is no reason for it to be that far off or for battery preconditioning to even make it that far off. The car knows where you are going and knows the speed limit. It should have some idea of how all that is going to affect range, and it knows that it’s going to turn on battery preconditioning. This really should be true if I use Google maps also because they need to allow phones to receive data from the car. That was bad enough, but the way home was atrocious. We were routed to the Electrify America in Cranberry, PA. When we got there, it turned out that they were completely replacing all of the chargers, and we only had 5 miles of range left. The car slowed itself down so that I would not completely drain the battery, which left us stranded in the nearby strip mall. We had to use Roadside Assistance to get towed to the nearest charge point station where we had to pay for a charge. The car did not consider whether or not the battery preconditioning would less than the range to the point that we wouldn’t be able to get there, and it’s logic is just awful. I absolutely agree that we need the ability to turn it on and off as we see fit, and we really need to be able to use a decent GPS while traveling. I also still have problems where CarPlay keeps disconnecting on road trips. It is slightly better if I use CarLinkIt, and your cupholder actually helps a lot, but it needs to be able to stay connected. I cannot believe how bad this road trip was in terms of charging. Completely unacceptable! Completely Hyundai‘s fault! Since this video was about charging, I still generally can only charge 8 kW at home because of the battery overheating when charging at 11 kW. I am hoping to look into if I can get this car declared a lemon when the 2025 comes out and see if I can trade for it.
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Thanks for continuing to bring attention to these issues. I have yet to get preconditioning to work in my Ioniq 5, despite using the on-board nav, and I have no idea why.
I traveled over Thanksgiving weekend and had a frustrating charging experience as well. I stopped at the EA station in Waco on both legs of my trip and two of their six chargers were offline. This is the only halfway decent CCS charger between Dallas and Austin and it's only operating at 67% for the busiest travel weekend of the year.
On my return trip I arrived to find two F150 Lightnings and two ID.4s occupying the four available stalls -- pretty much a worst-case scenario. Miraculously the lines weren't too terribly long so I ended up only waiting about 30 minutes to plug in.
Those Tesla Superchargers can't open up soon enough for us Hyundai owners.
South eastern Networks to Grab for charging (typically better and not as congested).
Circle K Charge (Circle K Gas stations)
BP (typically an EVGO charger)
FLO handful of them
FPL (florida power) they are hit and miss but normally a ghost town and they do have up to 350kwh chargers
Wawa (didnt even know these gas stations made it here but they have some chargers as well)
Finally Buccees.... Mercedes chargers and they have always been 350 and super fast. (but good luck spending less than 30 mins making into a buccees parking lot)
I also find it hilarious that when i plug in, and head to the restroom the ioniq is normally already done charging before i can enter the buccees door......big parking lot haha.
Thankfully i havent had to suffer yet with a Battery precon (2022 sel) as temps hit maybe 40f here.
Sadly. I have given up road tripping in my Ioniq 5 or Tesla. The charging network is just too unreliable along the 95 corridor. Too many 6 hour trips turned into 10 or 12 hours because of unreliable chargers. ( and the Model 3 is just not comfortable for long rides, supercharger network not withstanding) So we use our older Pilot for long distance. Someday it will get better.
YES! Manual activation of battery conditioning is something we need!
I’m totally with you on the battery preconditioning. I drive an EV6 and I want a manual activation that works at any level. As you say it's my car and I should be able to do what I want. They can put in a warning or whatever but let me manage it.
I have a GV60 and could not agree more.
Having watched some stuff on the newest Porsche EV, and I gave to say they do it right.. love their charging status that shows you the battery temp, with indicators of best range for charging. Love that they show you both what it’s asking for, and what the charger is supplying.
Hyundai needs to emulate them.
Absolutely agree. Destination charger preconditioning may be fine for Tesla owners with Tesla’s software and Supercharger network, but with Hyundai and their often well out of date navigation, we need a manual override
I couldn’t agree more. Just fix it Hyundai/Kia!!!
Your experience just puts the exclamation point on the issues that exists with our so-called charging infrastructure. Inoperative chargers, the need to use apps to charge, inability to manually activate battery conditioning, uber/lyft drivers charging slowly up to 100%, etc.
It still is mind blowing to me that to get battery temperature we need to use separate OBD2 dongles. Biggest upgrade of the N is that it tells you this information that the car clearly already has.
Yes! OMG I would kill to get that N style driver display with all those temps
Thanks for all your nice video’s about the Ioniq 5/6. I’m living in Norway and driving a Hyundai Ioniq 6 (2024) since august. I like the car very much and still learning every day. Anyway… about preconditioning of the battery… it would be great when Hyundai makes it possible to give us the opportunity to start the preconditioning MANUALLY. Of course would it be normal that we can decide when to start and not have the limitation of 20% batterypower! Please Hyundai fix it!
Merry Christmas from Norway to you @Ioniq Guy and other readers
We went from Rochester, NY to Roanoke, VA and back for Thanksgiving. The trip is about 9.5 hours of driving time. We made pretty good time on the way down, stopping an extra time to top up before getting to our destination, and ended up taking about 11.5 hours total on the way down. This included one stop a dealer charger, one Tesla charger, and three EA stations. Overall no complaints.
Our trip back on Saturday was almost worst case scenario. We decided to take a slightly different route back home to hit more EA stations, but would end up needing to stop at 4 EA stations, the same dealer charger in southern NY (paying $.70/Kwh because it's the only fast charger in the area), and one short stop in Rochester so we wouldn't be empty when we got home as we only have trickle charging at home right now.
We ended up waiting 90 minutes to charge at our first stop in PA, and that one we only needed 15% or so to make it to the next stop, where we would need to stop no matter what because there are no fast chargers in northern PA. That really frustrated me, as I think we might have made it with 2% left in the battery, but I didn't want to risk it on the busiest travel day of the year. We then waited 30 minutes at the next EA station, which meant that our 9.5 hours of driving ended up being 14 or so (we left around 9am and got home finally around 11pm).
It was also at the last charging stop where I found out the preconditioning button had been toggled off in the settings, so that explained why it hadn't been activating and was taking so long to charge in the cold weather.
While the experience was pretty bad (PA, especially northern PA, desperately needs more fast charging stations) it was basically the worst possible experience and that really was only losing a couple extra hours. When you add together the lack of charging stations, the busiest travel day of the year, and EA having network issues we knew that it wasn't going to be smooth, but definitely could have been worse.
Wow! Your video really drives home how challenging it is to take a road trip without a charging infrastructure. I drove my model Y from Baltimore to Utah and back over Thanksgiving and it was a piece of cake. I like the Ionics, but no way would I put up with these serious fueling problems. It sounds like the only real solution is for Hyundai to cut a deal that opens up the Tesla supercharger network to its customers.
That's coming (access to Tesla SCs) and I agree with you. Roadtripping in our Tesla is a breeze. The Ioniq takes more planning and entails a little more anxiety given the issues with so many charging stations. Edit, on the plus side, I can be gone in 15 minutes while the Tesla's will be charging for a lot longer.
Haha, End of October, Montreal to Wise Virginia in our new Ioniq 6 Limited 2024. 1st 3 charges, A-ok. Pottsville we discovered only 12 people have electric cars and only a bunch of level 2s at the 4th floor top of a parking garage. 5 hrs later of charging late Sunday nite and we head to fast chargers in Harrisburg. Yup, you guessed it, all level 2s. A Ford dealer even had a level 1 on a pole outside their dealership. 27 miles of charge, we gambled to go to the airport and yes a fast charger. Too late at nite, fed up and 1 rental desk opened and we rented a van, and parked the 6 for 2 days and headed to rescheduled appointments in Wise by gas. Interesting experience!! :)
Thanks for the trip report! Fortunately we were doing Thanksgiving at home this year, but some relatives on my Mom's side of the family bought a 2024 Equinox EV and roadtripped from Colorado to Utah via I-80. The lower end Ultium stuff charges really poorly due to super low battery voltage (I think 320 volts when fully charged IIRC) so it caps out at 120 kW on 150 kW chargers, and about 150 kW on 350kW chargers, meaning each of their three charging stops was about 45 minutes. That made me appreciate the E-GMP charging curve a lot when I heard that! Crazy enough, they only encountered one broken charger and didn't see a single other EV charging when they came out the Sunday before thanksgiving, and on the way back home on Friday they had very little traffic. Thankfully they are tech-savvy and willing to deal with the EA experience because all the superchargers along the route were V2s so they had no other option.
I'd love your perspective on the Equinox EV and Ultium overall if you get the chance! I was impressed with the software and quietness but the interior materials coupled with the charging were not the best.
I totally agree that we badly need a preconditioning button. I was recently charging at the Park City EA and because I arrived at 13% I couldn't precondition, resulting in a super crappy session. Also super frustrating that the CCS network is still not the most reliable in 2024.
Thanks for the info on the Equinox EV charging. I've been interested in them along with Ioniq 5s for some time but with this video I'm not so sure now. Might go the hybrid way instead.
@@lcol97 Yep, no problem! We have 3 EV6s in our immediate family (a GT, GT-Line, and Wind), and absolutely love them. Never going back to gas for sure and we're saving a ton of money with cheap power. I'd go for an Ioniq 5 or EV6 again in a heartbeat.
I drove my '22 RWD Limited (yep, no preconditioning) from Marietta, GA to northern Massachusetts. We left Friday 11/22 at 1:30pm, stopped in Richmond overnight, arrived in MA by 11pm Saturday. 24 hours of total drive/charge time (not including level 2 up to 85% at hotel), and that trip was about as good as it gets (aside from a couple slower than expected charge speeds).
The way back starting 11/30 through 12/1 (stopped at same hotel in Richmond) was a completely different ballgame. It was colder, so speeds were slower, which was expected. But NJ/PA/DE absolutely SUCKED regarding charger availability and 'station etiquette.' At multiple spots, we waited for over an hour just to plug in, only to have to charge for almost another hour. The EA station in East Brunswick had a line of, no joke, 15 cars waiting for 10 chargers. But people with NJ plates were plugging in and leaving the cars while they shopped at Walmart, charging to well over 90%. That was a repeating theme, local cars doing deep charges, even with people waiting. And yes, many were rideshare drivers and many were Bolts and Kia Niros. We also arrived at a Wawa EA station on the cusp of an heated argument over the charging order for the 8 waiting vehicles. Not wanting to stay to see the end results, we drove to an EVGo that said 100kw plug was available. It was...but only because it was broken. So we waited for 90 minutes for one of the other 3 working plugs behind, you guessed it, Bolts and cheap Kias charging to 90%+. And new arrivals at the EVGo confirmed that the EA station was still a mess with some characters waiting.
We didn't get to the hotel in Richmond (which my wife prebooked as nonrefundable the day before, even with my protest) until 2:45am...almost 19 hours after leaving Lowell, MA. Minimal traffic, mainly charging issues. Sunday was better due to the warmer southern states and less station demand, but Saturday was bad enough for me to say, "Done," regarding long road trips.
Exactly! My 2023 Tesla Model Y has no restriction to battery conditioning even below 10%, come on Hyundai / Kia get with the program, your cars are excellent except for this one issue that can be fixed in a heartbeat! I am looking at going back to Ioniq 5 IF this is fixed and you move the charge port to the Rear drivers side like the 2026 EV6 as hear in BC and Alberta CCS charging is a dead horse and would prefer to charge even at 140KW on Tesla Supercharger then attempt Electrified Canada total lack of operational chargers.
@@berthogendoorn2133 I have family in BC and remember the difficulties finding chargers when I was there in my EV a couple years ago. I now live in New Brunswick and travel through Quebec quite a bit. The charging infrastructure in Quebec is really well done. In many cases you’ll be able to choose between 3 different powered stations (50kw 400v, 100kw 400v, 180kw 800v) and the price is tiered based on how fast your car is charging. Rates range from $0.36/kw up to $0.60/kw and when your car is charging below 20kw, they start charging by the hour. They also charge by the hour when your SOC is over 90%. Traveling through QC is really a pleasure because they have such well thought out charging infrastructure.
I also travel through NY a fair bit, and they have pretty good infrastructure too. It is not as good as QC, not even close, but I can travel through upstate NY without any problems.
Took a 1k mile trip to south Texas last year on New Years weekend. EA lines were bad in TX I35 corridor. I was cheap and only planned EA charging because I am still on the free charging plan. If I knew what I know now, I would have taken whatever was available. Outside of TX, charging and precondition was ok. Nav would have been way easier if we had a button though. I won't travel on a holiday weekend with the same planning again.
Yes, we need manual preconditioning @hyundai!! We are on a trip as I write this between Maine and New Jersey. Finding charging stations in the GPS is a DRAG and I find that the preconditioning doesn't always even work consistently. Please Hyundai, for this.
Same issues on my EV6. Won't precondition below 20%, no manual preconditioning option, and also adjusting the charge limit via the app disables the battery preconditioning setting on the car and I have to remember go in and turn it back on next time I drive (Kia keeps closing my ticket where I reported the last thing as a bug, too).
That bug is beyond imagination. It’s been doing that for years now and they haven’t fixed it.
Was roadtripping a couple days ago in my 6 in 20 degree weather - the absolute most bizarre of all the preconditioning behavior to me is it shutting off right before you arrive at the charger even above 20%. 5 minutes before I arrived at a charger, the preconditioning turned off while I still had 25% charge, and then when I arrived there was a line... by the time I started charging, the battery was cold and my charging speeds were horrendous. Not sure how best to apply pressure to Hyundai but my god does preconditioning need an overhaul.
I did a 200 mile road trip for thanksgiving and I loved it. Didn’t pre condition on the way up bc I forgot to set it. Did it on way down. At electricity America I only charged for 10 mins and it was glorious. Sucks about the ride shares hogging
Now that you're using the Ioniq 6 RWD in winter, any updates on how it performs in inclement snowy weather compared to the AWD version?
Totally agree on preconditioning. I have 2023 I5 SEL as my first EV and will not buy another EV without this manual function. We are living in Northeast and have to deal with this 4 to 5 months out of a year. Korea is a pretty northern country and they should know this better. No precondition button, no more Ioniq, period.
My current workaround is like this:
1. use nav on iphone to route to next charger but NOT connecting carplay. (because in-car nav and carplay nav cancel each other)
2. at about 28% charge remaining on battery or 35 miles to your next charger, whichever comes first, use Hyundai nav to route to whatever DC fast chargers nearby in order to turn on preconditioning only (ignore its navigation direction of course).
3. this method also helps when in-car nav can't find the charger you want to go to, which happens quite a lot.
Agree with you on needing to be able to manually precondition at any low SOC. But in general I avoid Thanksgiving travel, even if I had a gas car.
I'm still driving on ICE Honda CR-V, and I have only owned Hondas and Toyotas my whole life. I think they're EV's suck, so I have been seriously considering getting the Hyundai Ioniq 5 when I decide to get a new car. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. Hyundai needs to get their act together if they want to convert people who are not early adopters (i.e. me), into buying their first EV. Love the channel keep up the good work
Everything you said is 100% true. I agree with everything from the Uber drivers and the Chevy bolts spending 2 hours at a charger. And it is a joke that these companies are not penalized for having systems that people are reliant on break down
THANK YOU for this info. We were planning a road trip to the north in our i6 later this month so this is good to know. I already have a lot anxiety about charging station availability
I understand your pain. I traveled with my family to Los Angeles for Thanksgiving and coming back to Sacramento on Saturday was a pain. I own a Hyundai Ioniq SEL RWD 2024. We depart from LA at around 3 PM and we stopped to charge at Harris Ranch - Electrify America on 5 N bound. It was a looong waiting line (aprox. 15 cars) we wait 2 hours in that line and another 33 minutes to charge from 20% to 90% because I needed that SoC to reach my home. We reach our home at 12 AM in the night...The traffic was horrible and the charging experience just sucks. I hope for better in the next years to come.
I have the same car (bought in August) and have been nervous about driving that route to LA. Hopefully its less crowded and easier on non-holidays. How do you like the car?
I drove Vancouver to LA in the fall. It was actually surprisingly good until Sacramento. Then it just went downhill. It seems like anything between LA and past the grapevine is just horrendous.
Sounds like a frustrating story! Luckily I only had to drive around 2 hours on Thanksgiving day to visit both families, and I did so on one charge. I have noticed slower charging times in the cold though on my Ioniq 6.
Your video reminds me what charging was like in the UK when we first got our EV6 about 2 years ago. The UK government has put fines in place for poor reliability and magically we get dependable and reliable chargers.
@@andrewnicholson9857 curious how the fines are enforced? Do the charge operators self report uptime, or is there some independent monitoring?
January sixth, sitting here and looking at chargers in Colorado and many of them are packed in my area, ran into the same thing yesterday. Very frustrating to say the least. Never have been able to get a 350 kW to work on my Ioniq 6 either, no matter the temperature, so not sure if there is something gong on there also.
Maybe when they add a pre-conditioning button they can also add the heated seat option to the remote start.
@@AndrewKumler this! Why does remote climate not include seat and steering wheel options?
If Hyundai has constraints to prevent preconditioning from activating below 20% battery capacity, they should explain it and provide the reasons.
It’s not only activating, it shuts off at 20%. I was getting to a charger at around 15% battery precondition shut off at 20% leaving that battery at 53 degrees. Added about 10 minutes to the charge time. Not the end of the world, but it does matter a bit on a roadtrip.
COMPLETELY AGREE!!!! Don't treat me like a child. Give me a warning maybe if the battery is low but let me chose. I would rather pull into the charge at 5% with a warm battery than 10% with a cold one. We had a very similar experience with a Thanksgiving road trip in our Ioniq 5. We only had to wait to charge 1 time but I had to charge over 80% several times in order to stay above 20% and condition the battery to charge. We were traveling form Norhtern Indiana to East Tennessee and the trip took over an hour longer than the exact same trip in the summer and it was all due to the crappy charging and conditioning experiences.
When my wife and I went electric a couple years ago we were about to pull the trigger on the Ionic 5 when it first came out but we watched a bunch of Tesla road trip videos (outofspec) and seeing how easy supercharging was we got a model 3 instead. It’s crazy that after all this time charging is still a pain in the ass for other electric cars.
I wanted to get either an Ioniq 5 or 6, but kept deep diving on the efficiency, range, and charging issues with CCS. I was already driving a Bolt and knew too well the challenges with CCS. There are more CCS chargers today than there were, but there are more cars now needing those chargers. We are now starting to see the big travel center operators and even oil companies starting to roll out chargers in a big way. So hopefully this means the tide is finally starting to turn.
Last year for the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays after being lined up and waiting at some Chargepoint chargers multiple times at different stops and then taking forever, I had no preconditioning options and even if I did after sitting there for over an hour to get my turn to charge the battery would have been cold anyway. I had my fill of it and the over an hour long charging sessions at each stop. I knew if I jumped into either of the Ioniq's I would still be in the same boat with limited and slow chargers in the rural parts of the midwest during the holidays. Wasn't really a problem during the summer months when it is warmer and the chargers aren't swamped with holiday travelers. But winter was brutal. So I decided I had to take a beating financially and sell the Bolt and get into something that has preconditioning, charges faster, has preconditioning, and the chargers were plentiful and reliable. That meant the only real option was a Tesla.
I would still like to have an Ioniq to be honest, but I wait patiently for the day when we start to see chargers everywhere and that these holiday road trip reports are largely just complaining about the traffic and not trying to figure out how to get a charge. Even with the Tesla I have had to scramble to find chargers on road trips, but that is a much easier task than with my Bolt. I know everyone is starting to get access to the Tesla SC network now, but Tesla is still behind the times and unable to support 800v+ architecture vehicles yet. V4 is coming, but I think it will still be quite a while before there are enough of them to make travel easier with the 800v+ cars and trucks. So for the time being I will be patient and watch how this develops. The lure of the faster charging 800v+ cars is calling me. In the mean time the Tesla works.
@Longsnowsm I think Tesla can get away with the slow charging with how insane the amount of stations they have is. Ok road trips I never stop forore than 15 minutes and then off to the next station. If the competition were this easy to road trip I bet Tesla would come out with faster charging.
@@jeffreyjoseph559 Faster charging is coming to Tesla. Tesla's V4 announcement for 2025 deployments came out. They stated that there will be more V4 than V3 chargers by the end of 2025. Assuming that means they will be deploying V4 cabinets at V3 sites that already have the V4 dispensers. All that being said our older 400v cars won't see any advantage at those chargers.
It looks like the faster competition is coming. Lots of new deployments this year and they are ramping up pretty fast. I see Ionna just announced yet another new site today. I have been tracking the Pilot/Flying J deployments and they are on a tear right now.
If I charge for 15 minutes I don't get the range I want in my M3 when I am road tripping so I end up having to make more stops or stay longer at the charger. Of course the longer you stay the slower it charges. The Tesla charging curve is a charging slope! LOL I am typically sticking around for 20 minutes, sometimes more depending on the stop facilities and how far I want to go on the next leg of the trip. I would be very happy to be able to go from 10-80% SOC in about 15 minutes. Hyundai/Kia states 18 minutes with the current car, but looks like it will be just over 20 minutes with the larger battery for 2025. This is why I stay glued to The Ioniq Guy channel to see what is going on with Hyundai/Kia. I really would like to be able to jam a lot more kwh into the battery for roughly the same amount of time I stop now.
Great video Corbin, please keep raising these issues for Hyundai and the CPOs to address! I'm one of the 22 RWD owners with no battery heating hardware, and 'Lucky I live Hawaii' as the saying goes since all of my charging is L2 and ambient temps are rarely below 70f anyway. Someone pointed out that there was an asterisk or fine print somewhere on the I5 spec sheets indicating that RWD did not have a battery heater, but as a first-time EV buyer this would have meant nothing to me even if I had seen it, and I was hugely disinclined to buy AWD in any case because of its substantial MSRP upcharge and my lack of any need for it otherwise. Very stupid design call by Hyundai, but fortunately not a problem in my case and I love the car otherwise!
I think one lesson here is to install the apps for all networks in your area. Though it is a pain to have to set up so many.
Yes, a button for conditioning would be great, and a warning instead of stopping after reaching 20% would be even better. It's up to me as a driver to plan for how to reach a charger in time. After learning your car for a couple of years you probably know the consumption in different weather conditions quite well.
I own a 2023 Ioniq5 RW Limited and I'm very pleased with the car, even if the navigation software and battery conditioning options could improve. On the flip side, living in Sweden, the charging infrastructure is really good. I have a subscription on the Ionity network giving me a 60% discount for a SEK 137 ($12:50) monthly payment. On busy days there can be queues at Ionity in some places, but as there are so many new charging networks there ara often other available nearby.
My first experience with preconditioning was last week when I started heading for the charger at 18% and wondered why it didn't activate even though I had a station in the navigator. My 24 Ioniq 6 took around 35 minutes to go from 17% to 81% and I think I maxed at 120kw. I thought there was some preconditioning control on the Bluelink app but apparently it's just there for show. Guess I know for next time.
Yeah you can't do anything from the app. I really don't know why they even show it in the app at all. Just causes confusion.
Damm man I thought you knew the trick of setting the destination and shifting to park once it starts preconditioning to let the car sit parked (in your driveway) but preconditioning. It’s a great trick when the charger is 4 min from where you’re parked.
I do know that trick but if you’re starting at 20%, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t activate
@ I thought they recently lowered that 20% limit, as I was able to precondition via route planner below 20% a month or two ago, but not a year ago..
Either way, A BUTTON PLEASE for Manually controlled preconditioning..
Genesis gv60 software is not up to par cant stop charging from app and precondition is missing when we loc to charger
Hi Everybody, been watching you for awhile and joined your membership. Great episodes youa re producing. So I have an Ioniq 5 (March 2023 purchased) in Australia. I can't seem to see that menu for pre conditioning. Is that because I don't have pre conditioning, or is the software in Australia more restricted?
Hello and thanks for becoming a channel member! If your car does have it it would be under the EV settings menu. I'm not sure how your cars are specced but it's possible if you have a RWD model that it doesn't have battery conditioning. If you look in your manual it should be in section 1-20.
thanks for the tip - I checked the manual no mention of it in that section or anywhere so I guess I don’t have that feature in my 2023 model. Yes it is the RWD 77kwh version.
2023 RWD does have battery conditioning. Are you clicking the settings button from the EV screen? This is the screen where all your EV stats and settings exist.
@@TheIoniqGuy yep, it is not there. I have a video I can send you privately if you want. Basically in order I see Charging Limit (DC/AC), AC Charging Current, Utility Mode, Smart Recuperation, Charging connector locking mode, Audible charging Info.
Will the upcoming 2025 Ionic 5 refresh allow manual preconditioning?
2024 GV60. I have to force it to an EA station to charge and then listen to navigation to a place I know how to get to just to get the battery precondition. BUTTON NOW for preconditioning!
I just got my EV6 GT earlier this year and this would be my first Thanksgiving using it. It's already tough using an ICE car but with an EV it's just on another level due to the lack of many things. First, there isn't enough chargers still. The current infrastructure isn't even close to handing regular holidays let alone more popular ones like Thanksgiving and Christmas where people tend to travel a lot more. I know access to Telsa network is just around the corners for us Kia/Hyundai/Genesis owners but it couldn't come soon enough. I know we will have even more 350kW charging networks come online though next year so there is that too.
The second reason is people's lack of knowledge on what they should and shouldn't do when charging their cars. The lack of etiquette is mind blowing. A lot of these drivers just don't know what the heck they are doing. They're not planning their trips better to avoid multiple unnecessary stops. They're driving super fast beyond 80+ mph and complain why their range isn't correct. People are charging beyond 80% when they don't need to or when there is a long line. Then you have those free charging people that will stay for 30mins no matter what even if that push them beyond 90%. Free charging is a nice perk if people are willing to use it on their own time. I don't have a problem with that. I just have an issue that they feel like their time is more important than others when there is a line. I currently pay for my charging even though I still have some free credits left with my car. I took advantage of signing up for the EA pass knowing that I would be doing a lot of charging during the Thanksgiving week long break. I wanted to save up my free credit for my future trips next year. Most likely I won't be doing the EA pass again unless I know I will be doing a lot of charging again which I doubt. Most of my charging is at home and I only use DCFC on trips out of town. I do understand if you want to go beyond 80% let's just say to 85% to avoid having to charge one more time before heading home but that should be it. Any more time beyond that is a waste of time. I know this will be a mute point soon but it is the state of charging that we are in right now.
Lastly people should be charging at their house whenever they can even while visiting others. I always bring a level 2 charger with me with multiple adapters to work with the dryers/range port. I also got an extension wire just in case as well. I always charge up to 100% prior to leaving on any trip from home. The less you charge outside the better experience you will have imo. This is why I put range as my #1 factor when it comes to my next EV. The GT is nice of course and I still love it around town but it just doing have the range that I want when it comes to traveling. I knew I wasn't going to be traveling as much as I used to so I was fine with getting that as my first EV experience. For me I need a range of at least 300 miles on a full charge or even better at 80%. This would be ideal for me. A trip with 5 charging stops will only become 3 which is more manageable. It would be almost comparable to an ICE car experience which I wouldn't mind so much at all. If I'm adding another 30mins to an hour to my trip then sure fine but if I'm having to add 2 hours then it's just not worth it to me to take an EV. My preference will always be an EV over ICE but that gap needs to get closer for me to be ok with everything. Right now I would still recommend getting a hybrid over an EV due to the state of charging at this time.
it needs it own pre heat on/off tab / button right on the screen that can be used at anytime
Absolutely
Had a similar experience taking 90 to Boston. The stakes were high, I was trying to see my mom before she died. Figuring out how to hack the nav system (the rest stop chargers on 90 weren’t showing up as POIs) to force BC added so much unnecessary stress. Not to mention there was 1 non-tesla charger and it was 50 kWh. We did make it in time to see her, but come on Hyundai! Invest in your UX. It makes a big difference in people’s lives
I can imagine how infuriating that experience must have been considering the stress you were under trying to make it back in time. Sorry for your loss
Oh man.. yes Hyundai just add manually-engaged battery preconditioning to the software .. sheesh! Add some kind of warning pop up or something if you feel you have to..
I drive all day for work, and often, I am only at 20% or less when I finally head to the nearest charger. Up until this year, I only have had 50kW chargers in my area, but now that we have several 100kW up and running, a couple locations with 180kW and one location with 350kW, I would certainly like to see preconditioning below 20%.
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We recently finished a three week, 4000 mile road trip from St Paul to the coast of North Carolina. Surprisingly good fast charging available through rural Iowa, Missouri, Tennessee and Alabama.
Back in Minnesota for Thanksgiving, it was quite cold that day and we had to charge for our 100 mile return trip to visit an elderly relative. The 50 KW charger at the bank was occupied, the two 150s at a dealership did not activate, and it was COLD out there. Finally got another 80 kW charger to start to get enough charge to get home.
With the incoming President rattling on about doing away with EV‘s, I hope that the Southern state governors and other economically interested parties will push back and continue the EV rollout in this country.
Clearly frustrating! But bear a thought with us in Japan where the Ionia 5 will charge at 82kW max (102 for 8 minutes) and most chargers can’t even output more than 50kW. So 72kW with a cold battery sounds like paradise!
This is why I am waiting for the 25 refresh well the pre condition button and the Tesla Supercharging network. Wonder if its the same they wont let you condition under 20% regardless Ill be happy to just press a button instead of fiddling with a nav. Just put money down to hold a Limited looks like a Jan/Feb delivery cant wait!
@TheIonicGuy funny you ask about weekend travel.. Sunday night when I went to drive home I the GV60 I got a warning to check EV drive system and found the car in limp mode. Started to drive home via surface streets but after a short bit got another message to stop driving and check Power Supply. Shortly after that, just after calling for roadside assistance it died entirely. Had to use jump pack to wake it enough to roll onto tow.
The ICCU part under recall failed, stopped charging the 12v. If you ever wanted to know how long you can drive without the virtual alternator functioning the answer is Not Long!
Dealer fixing entirely under warranty, and doing the rest of that recall work. Hopefully will have it back tomorrow or Monday
thanks for the nothe on pre conditioning cause i was thinking about a 6 but will still with my tesla
Will plugging in level 1 do a "soft" pre conditioning if i plan on stopping at a 350 10 minutes away?
Have you considered a level 2 charger while in Philly?
100%. I drive in rural Kansas and there is a new charger that is not in the Nav yet. There is nothing around it so i cant set a different charger to start preconditioning. Sooooo stupid.
Absolutely dying to have manual pre-conditioning on my GV60 Performance. Not that big of a deal since 99% of my driving is local, but ludicrous I have to trick the system to get it pre-conditioning with fake locations since they're missing from the in-built nav some of the time. Also very much agree with being allowed to pre-condition under 20%. Thanks for fighting the good fight!
Had to wait at an EA station in CT, but im concerned over what happens to vehicle preconditioning when my bluelink subscription ends...
Does the 2025 Ioniq 6 also have this problem? I was thinking about picking one up....
Yes, it has the same software as 2024
I am partial to EVGo stations because of the proximity to my home in the Philly suburbs on the NJ side. I found that the Tesla stations with offering magic dock are a welcome plan B when looking for an alternative. There seems to be so many of them.
Yes! A button! How hard is that?!
They have them in their new software for the new infotainment system. 2025 Ioniq 5's have it now.
@@Snerdles Hell the 2024 Kona has it.
We road-tripped for Thanksgiving too in our Ioniq 5. Drove from Boston to the Catskills on Tuesday (275 miles). Made two charging stops so as not to arrive with low SOC. Both EA stations (Lee, MA outlet Mall and Kingston BoA). Both easy charge ups.
At my son's place we did some level 1 charging to get back up over 80%. This was good because the power went out Thanksgiving morning as we were all just getting up. Used V2L to power enough of the house to make coffee and breakfast. On the trip home (Saturday) we skipped the (relatively) nearby stop at Kinston and went straight on the Lee, MA stop. There was a line, but my wife had more shopping to do, so she was not disappointed.
When I got my turn at a charger, my preconditioning had long since stopped as I was in the low teens SOC. But the biggest issue was that the EA App stopped working. Couldn't swipe start or use my EA Apple Wallet card. Got charging started with a credit card. I've never seen the app fail before. I wouldn't show any EA locations on its map, including the one I was at, and it kept popping up the "Oops! something went wrong" banner whenever I tried to check my account info. But I got charged before my wife finished shopping, so no time lost to charging issues.
The Ioniq 5 is fun to drive and is especially nice when the holiday traffic gets really slow on the Mass Pike. I just set adaptive speed and lane tracking and sit back through the slow stretches.
Getting NACS access next month should fix the issue. Even at only 97kW (because Hyundai/Kia didn't give it a proper 400V booster) is still better than waiting on a line for Bolts to finish their 3 hour long charge. Or having issue with broken chargers, screens, payment readers, or bad apps.
A proper booster? Why would they have put in a bigger booster, which would have been expensive and heavy? When these cars were designed there was no clue that they would ever have access to 400v Tesla superchargers. Putting in a higher power booster would have been engineering malpractice.
@jamesrea329 Maybe because Tesla had been saying for years that they would open up their network, the largest in the world by far, and had already begun to do so in Europe. They make billions on Superchargers, how could not opening it to make even more money not be foreseen? Or how about a simple splitting of the pack in two when charging on 400V chargers. If others can do it, so can the brilliant German and Korean engineers at Hyundai/Kia.
@ Elon’s said a lot of things for years that haven’t come true. This only happened now because of NEVI funding (and no, Tesla doesn’t make billions selling electricity, why do you think the supercharger team was fired?). Hyundai actually has the best booster system, using the rear motors for the boost. It’s twice as fast as Lucid and the stock Porsche system. Porsche will sell you a slightly bigger booster for $1500, I wonder how many they’ve sold? And even at 97kW the Hyundai cars charge pretty fast from 10-80% due to their excellent charging curve. I’ve charged my GV60 at a magic dock, it maintains 97kW all the way up to 83% SOC, when most other cars have dropped way below that. If they would just add a preconditioning button I would have no complaints.
@jamesrea329 Then they must be lying to the SEC, because Tesla reported profits of over $6 billion selling electricity worldwide last year. And like I said, all it takes is a simple splitting of the pack when charging on 400V chargers.
I did a round trip from Atlanta to Pittsburgh over the thanksgiving weekend in my IONIQ 5. The efficiency was insanely low, but thank god for preconditioning and ABRP. I was constantly monitoring my battery temperature, and it made it much easier. Though it was much easier during the summer as the range was a lot better.
I wonder if we start off at a high temperature the efficiency might be better. I also saw a lot of Pilot charging stations showing up on the way so that's promising.
I used my T-day road trip to try out one of the 7-11 charge stations. Went okay, card reader worked, app not required. Speed wasn't my car max though, but unsure if that was charger or car related. I had planned and condition for an EA station but it was completely full so kept going till I got the the 7-11. Charger screen sucked though, tiny as hell, unreadable unless you walk right up to them. It also doesn't e-mail you a receipt at the end, kinda lame if you've been keeping track like I have.
Location was actually great, convince store but also a pizza joint, 5 guys and a couple of spots for what I'm guessing will be other food joints in the future. little strip mall.
Two of the biggest issues is that 1- the automakers and Charging companies have not been aggressive enough in making plug in charge the norm. In our teslas we just plug in and that’s it. Every company should aim for that, why is it such a pain in the ass for you to take peoples money with all these broken credit card readers. 2- it’s dumb as hell that they only install like 4-6 stalls meanwhile I’ve rolled into Tesla stations with 16-20 stalls. It’s like they assume only 4 people in town X own an electric car or will ever drive through there.
Got stuck behind 2 idiots charging to 100% on Rt 128 in Boston area while Tesla stations were wide open! Soooo aggravating
Ugh!
I've seen one or two Teslas charging at a EA station when I know there's a supercharger with a dozen stalls nearby. I assume they wanted the cheaper rates or something.
It's really annoying that CCS stations seem to have been only built with 3-4 stalls and superchargers usually have a dozen.
@@BenWolkWeiss Well, Hyundai/Kia is getting NACS access next month.
I also had the impression that people charging to 100% were idiots but they are probably on the leased vehicles or plan to have temporary ownership and don't care about the longevity and don't want to make frequent stops multiple times a week to have any sort of range that they're comfortable with the cold weather setting in
@@junehanzawa5165 but they are going to charge really slow at Tesla chargers because Tesla can only deliver 400v.
In addition to manually pre-conditioning, I do wish you could pre-condition while L1 or L2 charging. While it does sound counterintuitive it would be useful to get yourself above 20% with a warm battery so everybody else can hurry up and get on their way.
Holiday travel, particularly Thanksgiving, is always risky regardless of whether you go by plane, train or automobile. Everything is running at close to full capacity.
Charging at the Electrify America stations I noticed that as the stations all fill up the charging rate decreases so even if you're fully preconditioned some charging stations I think limit the current. You can see the rate go up and down as people come and go.
Understand your problem with not being able to precondition. I have a 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD, thus preconditioning isn’t even available. Travel from Virginia to Florida over 2 days with temps below 40 most of the time so each charging stop was 2 to 3 times longer than usual. Boy was I glad when we got back into warmer temps around Ocala and charging returned to normal is did efficiency.
Couldn't agree more with your comments. The onboard navigation is terrible to try to set a specific EV charger when you are in route. In Canada it's even more of a fail, as they don't have filters for the Canadian EV networks. You need to use your phone to get the exact address of the charger then enter that into the Hyundai nav. I love my Ioniq 5 but the Hyundai navigation and lack of manual preconditioning button mean that we road trip in our Model Y. And of course, the charging infrastructure. I have 8 EV network apps on my phone and half of them require you to have a balance that you draw down. What a pain. I never travel without using Plugshare to check station status. It's a must have for the CCS traveller.
what was your over miles/kwh on the entire trip?
My Ioniq 6 RWD (base-model) has no battery pre-conditioning at all. But it is really no great issue as we almost never have temperatures anything below -5C even in winter inland. Maybe up in the ski-fields of the mountains, overnight, you would get these temperatures. Around our home suburbs that would be absolutely never (in recent years) that we have temps below 0C.
I did a trip last year the day after Christmas in my EV6 and that was a nightmare, a 45 minute line early in the day then a 3 hour line in quartzite where 1/4 chargers were broken and the other 3 were operating at ~50kW. Did the same route the Sunday after Thanksgiving in my model Y and it was completely painless. Sure the small stations with 8 stalls were full, but my two stops were a 36 stall station then an 84 stall station and neither had lines. Granted the model Y charging curve is abysmal but any speed is faster than no speed.
I get the complaint about preconditioning, but given how most people are, I'm not sure it's valid to say "I own the car, I should be able to treat it how I want". Because lots of people are not very sophisticated in their understanding of how EVs work and how to operate them. I'll bet that when you take the average car owner into account, there's a reasonable reason Hyundai has imposed the 20% SOC limit.
Besides, the car could (and maybe does) just condition the battery as part of the charging process. Sure, that's going to slow things down a little, but it shouldn't be that bad, and frankly if I understood the video correctly, it only took maybe 10 extra minutes or so to charge without preconditioning, which doesn't seem like a huge inconvenience to me overall, given that it's only a "once in a while" sort of thing.
As for rideshare drivers, yeah that behavior's annoying. But the charging station manufactures and operators should be the ones to fix the problem, by allowing and implementing policy that shuts off charging when the charge rate gets too slow. Combine this with a queue (I've seen charging stations that do in fact have a queue, and this could easily be implemented in an app), and make it so that if someone doesn't move their car after some reasonable amount of time (say 10-15 minutes max) after their charging session has completed, they are billed extra. The extra billing should at a minimum cover the charging session of the next person in the queue who is waiting for that space, for as much time of that charging session as the charging spot has been blocked by a car that should've been moved, possibly with an extra surcharge (flat rate or percentage, I don't care).
This addresses the problem in a more holistic way, not singling out rideshare drivers who may or may not actually be violating norms, and making it so _everyone_ has a vested interest in cooperating at the charging station.
Not that rideshare companies don't deserve criticism. They very much do, and I'm sad anyone even uses Lyft or Uber. The only positive element of that business model is the real-time dispatch of drivers. But that technology _should_ have been just applied to licensed, regulated taxi services. The rideshare companies abuse their employees (who they don't even want to admit are employees), their customers (who often have to suffer drastic swings in costs based on a wide variety of factors outside of their control, never mind the whole "rate the passenger" crap), and take public space from everyone while insisting that they should remain outside the purview of regulators who are in charge of making sure the public space is shared equitably.
I think you need ccNC to be able to have the precondition button.
I was able to activate preconditioning at 21% and went all the way to 18% when I got to EA. Still got 70kw the whole 30 minutes of charge. I been charging 40+ minutes & paying the difference
3000 miles MI=CO-MI over the Thanksgiving week in a Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally. Only 1 poor session. I wish all had working card readers. This is a solved problem for gas, and there should be no reason this will not work for chargers. I used a combination of Google Maps, ABRP, and the Ford Built-in Nav. None were perfect, but there is improvement from just this summer.
My ioniq was in the shop getting repairs from a deer hit on the day before Thanksgiving, but we pretended like we had a gas car, used abrp and simulated a 5 hour drive in the New England area.
First charger was a 350, all 4 stalls appeared to be working and no one was there (pilot station with canopy!) the second planned stop had 4 applegreens two were in use. No wait, but would have been shared speeds.
I have one EV for city driving and want to replace my second car that I use for road trips with an Ionic 5 or 6. The issues you highlight in this video w/ battery conditioning and charging stations are what are holding me back from making the purchase.
new Ioniq 5 MY2025 have manual conditioning, so you won't have this issue
the hyundai preconditioning works fine if you unplug your phone. apple carplay interferes with native gps and defeats pre.
Judging by internet commenters, I might be the only person on the planet that *loves* the look of the Ioniq 6. But videos like this make me glad I didn’t buy one.
Hyundai’s refusal to address their software lost them a sale to me. Instead, their ostrich-head-in-the-sand attitude about their software drove me to other makes.
Before people downvote me, consider that Hyundai needs to see feedback like this. If they had just had a small handful of software engineers spend a few months fixing the UI of their software and making it much easier to find chargers and plan routes and precondition the battery, I’m sure I wouldn’t the the only one who would have bought an Ioniq.
Hyundai, hear me: fixing your crappy infotainment software isn’t just a nice-to-have for existing owners. It’s a deal-breaker for prospective purchasers like me. It’s literally costing you sales and money.
Hey.. Have any EV3 test plans? I have one and would love to know if some of the stuff you are selling works in it :D Also i live in Denmark so best regards from here :)
Would love to but not coming to the US for a while. The cup holder expanders are specific to each car I sell them for. The door lock device may work but I will have to get confirmation from my manufacturer before I'm able to sell.
@@TheIoniqGuy Sucks. Kinda funny how the EU gets them first. Got mine with plates almost 1 month ago. Great car btw. Totally a Niro/Kona killer in terms of spec and price. At least here in the Danish market.
But thanks for great content keep it up 👍
If your passengers don't mind you can always yo-yo before charging to warm the battery. Crank up regen, hammer it, regen tonslow, hammer again, over and over. The battery will arm up some to avoid cold gating on plugin.
Out of spec did a nice video on it with two of an identical car that didn't have precondition options andnit worked great.
I have an ioniq 5 hyundai definitely needs to gives us pre 2025 owners battery preconditioning below 19%.
I was surprised 2 weeks ago during a long range trip, with a “forced” firmware update on my Ioniq 6 after we got to the hotel. Didn’t ask if I wanted to update now that I’m a few hundred miles from home. After that update, my range changed from 325 to 265. WTF?!? Did this happen to anyone else?
And the Applegreen chargers were tempting, but those Merritt Parkway rest stops are so poorly laid out I didn't even bother.
I can't find a place in my Hyundai Kona EV to put my garage opener because It won't fit on my visor and the glasses thingy above doesn't quite work either. I end up having to lay it in my cup holder for easy access. Anybody else have this issue? Any thoughts or recommendations?
No. Our garage door opener clips onto the driver’s visor on our Ioniq 5.
@@COSolar6419 Ok, good to know. Humm, I wonder if I can find a larger clip for the garage opener.
I decided to go with velcro and stick it to my visor where I want it. I'm all good now
Scary to think about pulling into a station with low SoC and the entire station just .... not working.
We didn’t travel for Thanksgiving, but we will be coming back from AZ to FL Christmas week. I HATE holiday travel, but this is the only time we can do this trip and it’s important since it could be our last time to see my wife’s sister. I guess we’ll try to keep expectations low.
As for the battery conditioning, that was one of Hyundai’s dumbest decisions. I can’t figure why car companies leave such annoyances an addressed in otherwise fabulous cars, especially ones that are simple software fixes. It almost seems malicious. Same thing with the torque feedback instead of capacitive feedback on the steering wheel when using HDA2. My hands ARE on the steering wheel ya dumb car!!
Rant off. 😊
Not being able to activate manual preconditioning is a show stopper for me.
Sounds miserable. What were you getting for m/kWh in the colder weather?
So if you make it habbit of coming down to the philly area, you might be better off going across the bridge to new jersey to charge. You can get on 95 in the cherry hill area instead of fighting over the city chargers. I believe the bridge toll only applies going from NJ into philly.😊
I likely will next time. What boggles my mind is all those rest stops along 95 have no CCS chargers, only Tesla. Would have loved the convenience of using those
@TheIoniqGuy yea when I drive up to New York from south jersey the only chargers are at the rest stop 1/2 way, and they are broken. Basically a dead zone because of protected woodland too in Central jersey
I made the mistake of charging at a mall the day after thanksgiving. There were 2 tow trucks dropping off cars to charge. Somehow after a decade we're still on the bleeding edge of EV adoption.
Getting NACS access will fix that. Tesla figured it out 10 years ago.
I wonder if those people who run out of charge used to run out of gas too.
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@@blast3001 no
I am in Québec Canada so, YES, I want a preconditionning button that I can use as I want. I think I have enough intelligence to use that button by myself. And if I do not use it correctly, it will be my fault and I will assume it.
Feel your pain! What about yo-yoing the car on the way when you can’t precondition as Kyle Conner did in a video last winter with an ID4 in 3f temps? It really worked! Not ideal, but worth a shot for 10-15 mins if you have no option?
I've tried this before and seen basically no results.
800v systems don't heat up that easily
Well, at 77kw, you are pumping juice WAY 😆faster than the Bolts... All in on the manual button.
The colder it gets the longer the wait at dc slow charge
DCFC needs to have working card readers. These stations operators need to stop with the stupid apps!
I apologize for posting this on another one of your videos, but in hopes that it will get Hyundai to pay attention, and since it is related to the video, this was my story on Thanksgiving.
First of all, the range estimates, especially with battery preconditioning were often between 60 to 100 miles off. This made it very difficult to know where I should be stopping, and of course it is as you said very difficult to find charging stations using the vehicle navigation system. In addition, we tried to use EA only since we are in the last month of our two years of free charging. We did use the a better route planning app on the way there, but while it was preconditioning the battery, it did not realize that sometimes we were heading to a charger and would take us to a charger that took us further away to get to the charger that we had charge for. This added two hours to our trip up to Michigan from Maryland. I get that range estimates are difficult, but there is no reason for it to be that far off or for battery preconditioning to even make it that far off. The car knows where you are going and knows the speed limit. It should have some idea of how all that is going to affect range, and it knows that it’s going to turn on battery preconditioning. This really should be true if I use Google maps also because they need to allow phones to receive data from the car.
That was bad enough, but the way home was atrocious. We were routed to the Electrify America in Cranberry, PA. When we got there, it turned out that they were completely replacing all of the chargers, and we only had 5 miles of range left. The car slowed itself down so that I would not completely drain the battery, which left us stranded in the nearby strip mall. We had to use Roadside Assistance to get towed to the nearest charge point station where we had to pay for a charge. The car did not consider whether or not the battery preconditioning would less than the range to the point that we wouldn’t be able to get there, and it’s logic is just awful. I absolutely agree that we need the ability to turn it on and off as we see fit, and we really need to be able to use a decent GPS while traveling. I also still have problems where CarPlay keeps disconnecting on road trips. It is slightly better if I use CarLinkIt, and your cupholder actually helps a lot, but it needs to be able to stay connected. I cannot believe how bad this road trip was in terms of charging. Completely unacceptable! Completely Hyundai‘s fault!
Since this video was about charging, I still generally can only charge 8 kW at home because of the battery overheating when charging at 11 kW. I am hoping to look into if I can get this car declared a lemon when the 2025 comes out and see if I can trade for it.
It is easy to put a button in the App or in the media system in the car for pre-conditioning the battery. Fix it Hyundai and Kia 🤞
I have no issues with mine.
Tried charging on black Friday and Saturday after at an EA charger. Biggest mistake of my life. Never again.