For the life of me, I'm befuddled as to why Nissan Leaf didn't switch the CCS1 for NA. If they had switched and added an active cooling for their BMS in the Leaf, it would have been a winner for low cost EV with the Bolt EV. Let's hope they survive. Thanks Tom and I'm always learning every time I watch your channel.
As a former owner of a 2011, 2105 and 2019 Nissan Leafs I could not understand why they would not upgrade them. They were terrific cars. I guess making these types of changes was just too costly? Once the battery heated up from one DC fast charge any attempt to do a second fast charge was agonizingly slow. Only did one road trop really in the 2019 and my wife wasn't happy.😂
@@EVVolksmanID.4with the 62kWh LEAF, you can do two fast charges in a day before the charging speed slows appreciably. That's good for about 500 miles a day, assuming a level 2 to 100% overnight.
Neither the Leaf or Bolt are designed to be road trip cars. You're supposed to just commute and charge at home. They are extremely outdated with their electronics.
@@GROGU123 The Bolt can be road tripped fairly painlessly these days. If you don't drive a Kia or Hyundai, 45 mins at a fast charger is not unusual. In that same time span, the bolt can typically fast charge enough to make it to the next waypoint. The charge rate is not impressive, but the battery is fairly small at 66kwh and that somewhat compensates for the low charge rate. Someone in an Equinox or Lightning capped at 150 kw peak rate will end up plugged in just as long as the bolt owner.
@@lemongavinethe other manufacturers accommodate the same thing in a different way. This is just the way Tesla designed it. The Lectron, for instance, has its own separate latch for the NACS plug, and if you press that button to release it, charging will stop immediately. Similar on the A2Z, where the single latch is integrated into releases on both sides. None of the adapters are able to be just pulled out while charging.
I had never heard of the Ariya until 5 days before I purchased one! I was shocked and impressed with EVERYTHING about the ARIYA. I Wasnt even considering an EV. I was looking into hybrids toyota and honda but then a thought went through my head. "does nissan have a hybrid?" I found out they don't, but oh boy when i saw the ARIYA, I became obsessed.. lol There are so many excellent USED 23 Ariyas out there just sitting on the lots for less than half the MSRP! I wish everyone would look into it to make sure the market stays good for Ariyas and we have many many years of support from Nissan and/or Honda if they merge.
There is a difference: Nissan, I guess for cost cutting, has shot itself into the foot by modifying CCS1 port leaving the space between 2 DC fast charging pins on the port empty using just a sliver of plastic around the pins. That is not exactly CCS1. You can't have any modifications in USB or PS2 ports or plugs, and those to be able to still work.
@@ralanham76 Per Nissan slide deck it is because they were designed that way. Only a Battery Heater was added to keep the Battery from Freezing during extreme cold weather.
Bought a 2024 Leaf SV Plus and assumed I could get a CCS adapter eventually, but NACS too is so cool and unexpected! Only car to have access to all 3 plugs.
I have a Leaf with an A2Z CCS to Chademo adapter and the Tesla NACS to CCS adapter and putting those together I have never gotten it to work (I was at a station that supported other vehicle brands). Also every time I tried it, my Leaf would throw up a EV System fault light afterwards until I turned my car off and back on again. Otherwise my A2Z adapter works amazing and I haven't used Chademo in months, if this adapter ever breaks I'm completely screwed.
that little push pin in the tesla adapter also locks the switch that allows you to disconnect from the super charger. so when it is connected to the vehicle it is not possible to remove the supercharger handle before removing the adapter.
It is not all V3s & V4s Tom. There are a couple of hundred sites that you cannot even with an adaptor. They are just Tesla only. There however now 18,830 NACS adapter stalls you can use them on (+ 1,488 stalls with Magic Docks enabled you could always use)
@@jyearr6744 You can't link to anything on youtube and it just deletes any comments. Even describing them gets deleted. There is a map which shows the supercharge stalls out there.
I was at a Gen 4 Supercharger yesterday & for some reason the magic dock was not enabled. It said I could charge if I had an adapter. Just off I-35 at Lamoni , Iowa.
I hope that the magic dock plug becomes the standard for chargers so we all don’t need to pay $235 more for an adapter. I mean no one pays for an adapter for a gas tank to fill up at a gas station. That detail should be provided by the charging station if they want customers.
these EVs are really not saving $$ when you include chargers, adapters, electricians, etc. I could buy gasoline for a Prius for 3 years for the cost of just the charging setup for 1 EV. Not worth it. I can buy a lot of gas for $235
@@mongo64071 Pretty sure the minimum three oil and filter changes you need over the three years is going to cost about that $235 if your using quality oil. Also not everyone needs this, but you do need three oil changes...
Tom, in the video with the Cyber Pizza truck you mentioned you had an Italian restaurant in Montclair? Was it on Valley Road near Tierney's? This video is bringing back fond memories. You installed one of the first level two chargers there back in 2011 or there about. We had a 2011 Nissan Leaf and it had like 75 miles of range. We couldn't make it from Basking Ridge to Montclair and back so we would stop at your restaurant and eat and charge the car. My wife remembers you had bottles with corks on the tables? And you had gluten free food. She is on a gluten free diet. You had a BMW with EV graphics on the side? This was you I hope? 😂You are definitely the OG of EV's! We have come a long way since 2011!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the inspiration, being the original EV Guru, and the early help when I too was an early adopter. I check for new videos from you daily. Also listen to your podcasts with the other guys on Batteries Included. Who would have thought in 2011 that a Nissan Leaf could charge at a Tesla Supercharger! We have come a long way! The Leaf is gone but now we drive a VW ID.4 and Tesla M3 RWD. Waiting for the video when the ID.4 can use an adapter at SC's. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. Thanks Again!
Now this makes me wonder - can you use native Magic-Dock chargers with the built in adapter without the gap filler? Is the adapter on magic dock different and lacking this pin?
Magic dock is different. It locked to the tesla handle before releasing so did not need this pin. Many Aria owners have used magic dock without issue. The magic dock cannot release until paired back in the dispenser cradle so nobody steals it. Like an anti theft tag from a store it needs that special tool to unlock.
So question because prices on the Nissan Aria are pretty good. I've been looking at this along with the Chevy bolt uv but question that little plastic piece it's not going to break over time. If you leave it in the charge port like if I don't want to keep putting it in and taking it out, can I leave it in the charge port and it won't it won't break over time or wear out over time? Will it? Great video by the way. Keep up the great work and have a good one. Lol. Those two combinations for the Nissan leaf look like a old school dust vacuum. Like when you want to get the stuff out the couch lol
@Jeddin okay so once it's in place you're not really supposed to take it out but it's not going to break over time. Is it? Because I'm getting to feeling that over time and it being plastic it might break. But thanks for that response. I appreciate it because like I said, I've been looking at the Aria and I've been looking at the euv and I plan to do mostly home charging. But if there's ever an instance where I might need to use a supercharger, there's way more superchargers around my house than anything else.
@ it shouldnt break. Its just a space occupier in a space where nothing should ever touch it except that small depressible pin on the Tesla adaptor. I cant imagine anything else ever hitting it forcibly in that area to break it.
@@EricDrummondBPCP It's a very sturdy piece of plastic, I don't think it will ever break. It's also available by itself for $7 if you already have a CCS to NACS adapter.
Nissan is in serious trouble. Recently they made the decision to merge the Infinity dealers to the Nissan ones. The Ariya seems like a pretty good EV but they seem to struggle with everything they do these days...
Hi tom I have a question about nacs to ccs 1 adaptors. Do they just do DC input? So in other words do you still need a nacs to j1772 for ac charging? I need to replace my tesla tap and I was wondering if I could just get one adaptor. Thanks and I really appreciate keeping us informed on all the new charging equipment.
What happens if you plug a wallcharger to a NACS to CCS adaptor as you did in the video? Will it pass current through and still work as a level 2 adaptor so you dont need a separate NACS to J1772 adaptor?
I'm confused as to why an older (pre-V3) Tesla Supercharger won't charge a Chademo vehicle with a Tesla to Chademo adapter. PLC is not being used, correct, so why? And the same in reverse for the Tesla to Chademo adapter at a NON-Tesla NACS Supercharger station, that won't work either (because it is PLC only), correct?
How is authorization working on the Leafs? I understand how the adapters physically work, but what is stopping someone like me with a BZ4X from saying I have a Nissan Leaf and plugging in to charge with a Lectron adapter?
Somehow the communication protocol transmits information about the car, such as VIN or similar, so they can only enable the vehicles allowed to charge, you can't trick it.
So, do the CCS1 plugs at non Tesla DC chargers have the lower pin? I’ve looked for pictures and all I can find are plugs with no lower pin? Are we being unsafe at these DC chargers? I don’t think so.
No, regular CCS plugs do not have that pin, it's only used on the adapter to secure the NACS plug so it can't be pulled out while the adapter is plugged into the car. Hard to explain but it's just a very simple interlock for the release on the other side.
@, that’s what I’m getting at, theres not really a reason for the pin. The Tesla plug, plus adapter is no heavier than the CCS plug on an EVgo station.
Yes, it is, contrary to how Tom explains it. All the pin does is interlocks the release on the back side of the adapter so you can't press it down and release the NACS plug while the adapter is plugged into the car. If that interlock doesn't engage it won't allow the vehicle to charge. It does exactly what you explained.
Looks like Nissan & Toyota/Subaru used the same source for their port. Only other EV where there is a space between the DC pins is the Hyundai Kona/Kia Niro. But that's at the top and bottom.
It is very frustrating how much Nissan has been hanging Leaf owners out to dry with the changing fast charger ports. They made a choice to stick with the CHAdeMO and so many people bought the car because it is a great little car and made an assumption that since no one in the NA market was making a decision on things that it would eventually get sorted and adapters would happen but here we are. The only adapters Leaf owners get are 3rd party ones.
So to charge my 2018 SV LEAF at Tesla s/c I'll need to buy $999 CSS1>CHAdeMO & $185 NACS>CCS1 from A2Z (15% off with SOC coupon code on both?) from A2Z, or $285 from Nissan ... Yikes! PLEASE someone make an affordable NACS>CHAdeMO adapter for us LEAF owners?
@GregHassler For me the home charger is enough. My car got charged at a station exactly 3 times in 13 months. And in those three times, EA worked perfectly. There are plenty of them across the US too. I'll never charge at a supercharger because I don't want to support Musk, but even if that wasn't the case, I'd never need to.
@@pilotboba Absolutely. I'm just saying that even if I needed to charge outside of my home more, I wouldn't use a Tesla station. Not saying everyone needs to be like me, just sharing my pov :)
Tom, Nissan kinda screwed me here and I'm hoping you are able to get in touch with them. We have an Ariya but also have a Bolt EUV. I ordered the NACS adapter from GM and the official Tesla one arrived back in October. I don't want or need a second adapter, but I'm basically required to in order to use the Ariya with a supercharger. For the life of me I can't understand why they don't sell that little plug separately. If they did, I'd be golden. But as of right now I'm pretty mad.
Well… good for Nissan. I really am starting to wish that automakers had just made CCS-1 the "standard," like they did in Europe with CCS-2. With adapters, and authorization from Tesla, there would be NO problem. And Tesla would just have to adapt its ports, again like in Europe, and also in China.
It wasn't the automakers that chose ccs2 in Europe it was the government. In the US they let market forces win since Tesla has by far the most plugs everyone is now moving to them.
@@ralanham76 There are more CCS-1 sites than Tesla sites, but the latter has more stalls. That will change. Regardless, I still say it was a mistake to give E'loon any more power than he already has.
@@Yanquetino how many stalls are there, a search says around 5000 location? The search says 27000 supercharger. I don't think anyone gave Elon power the other automakers basically did nothing so now Tesla is the default. Just like everything else has happened the majority of users want whatever is common. It took 15 years for a common standard to show up.
CHADAMO is the main reason Japan refuses to want to produce any decent EV's. CHADAMO is a 50kw standard and, in JAPAN, there are stations virtually everywhere. Furthermore, Japan is not a "driving" country, driving is mostly a city affair, the notion of "road tripping" is thoroughly alien, if you need to travel anywhere you take a fast train and thats it! Clean, very fast and given the superbly extensive city railway system, you don't really need a car unless running errands in town. The notion of a long range EV, that would benefit from very fast charging is a little alien to their whole idea of transportation. It's a pity since that has put the future of their whole auto industry in jeopardy.
Nissan is not some small local Japanese company, new to exporting to America. They had plenty of time to adapt the Leaf to the American market like they are begrudging doing now, probably too late.
@@Wised1000 the Nissan Leaf Plus (60 kWh) can charge at 100kw, the Nissan ariya (japan) can charge at 130kw, the porsche taycan(japan) can charge at 150kw (this is immitted do to infrastructure in japan, if there where 350kw 800v chargers in japan it could charge just as fast as the CCS taycans ),toyota bz4x (japan), lexus rz450e (japan),subaru solterra (japan) can charge faster than 50kw(limited to how bad the charging is on those cars regardless of DC port) the E-GMP platform cars ex, Ioniq 5(japan), EV6(japan),Genesis GV60(japan),ectm can charge at 150kw(same limitation as the taycan). basically any that can charge faster than 50kw on CCS can charge just as fast on CHAdeMO giving an appropriate charger.
This is an uniquely North Americanself inflicted problem- EU has forced the CCS2 standard on everyone . There is a adapter now available for CCS to Chademo for the leaf.
Thank God North America didn't force the CCS 1 standard on us, now we get to use the better plug. A relatively small number of older CCS cars will be slightly inconvenienced.
For the life of me, I'm befuddled as to why Nissan Leaf didn't switch the CCS1 for NA. If they had switched and added an active cooling for their BMS in the Leaf, it would have been a winner for low cost EV with the Bolt EV. Let's hope they survive. Thanks Tom and I'm always learning every time I watch your channel.
As a former owner of a 2011, 2105 and 2019 Nissan Leafs I could not understand why they would not upgrade them. They were terrific cars. I guess making these types of changes was just too costly? Once the battery heated up from one DC fast charge any attempt to do a second fast charge was agonizingly slow. Only did one road trop really in the 2019 and my wife wasn't happy.😂
@@EVVolksmanID.4with the 62kWh LEAF, you can do two fast charges in a day before the charging speed slows appreciably. That's good for about 500 miles a day, assuming a level 2 to 100% overnight.
Neither the Leaf or Bolt are designed to be road trip cars. You're supposed to just commute and charge at home. They are extremely outdated with their electronics.
@@GROGU123 The Bolt can be road tripped fairly painlessly these days. If you don't drive a Kia or Hyundai, 45 mins at a fast charger is not unusual. In that same time span, the bolt can typically fast charge enough to make it to the next waypoint. The charge rate is not impressive, but the battery is fairly small at 66kwh and that somewhat compensates for the low charge rate. Someone in an Equinox or Lightning capped at 150 kw peak rate will end up plugged in just as long as the bolt owner.
The pin is actually to lock the NACS side of the adaptor, so it’s impossible to disconnect the NACS plug when the adaptor is plugged into the car.
Sounds like an important safety feature and one in which the other manufacturers should include
@@lemongavinethe other manufacturers accommodate the same thing in a different way. This is just the way Tesla designed it. The Lectron, for instance, has its own separate latch for the NACS plug, and if you press that button to release it, charging will stop immediately. Similar on the A2Z, where the single latch is integrated into releases on both sides. None of the adapters are able to be just pulled out while charging.
@@GregHassler great. Thanks!
Finally!! I have a 2024 Nissan Ariya engage+
I had never heard of the Ariya until 5 days before I purchased one! I was shocked and impressed with EVERYTHING about the ARIYA. I Wasnt even considering an EV. I was looking into hybrids toyota and honda but then a thought went through my head. "does nissan have a hybrid?" I found out they don't, but oh boy when i saw the ARIYA, I became obsessed.. lol There are so many excellent USED 23 Ariyas out there just sitting on the lots for less than half the MSRP! I wish everyone would look into it to make sure the market stays good for Ariyas and we have many many years of support from Nissan and/or Honda if they merge.
Than😅k u for showing my video
The adapter chain reminds me of that old picture of someone converting something like usb to ps2 to serial to parallel.
There is a difference: Nissan, I guess for cost cutting, has shot itself into the foot by modifying CCS1 port leaving the space between 2 DC fast charging pins on the port empty using just a sliver of plastic around the pins. That is not exactly CCS1.
You can't have any modifications in USB or PS2 ports or plugs, and those to be able to still work.
Crazy that Nissan was the early king of ev's.
Thanks Tom. I ordered my adapter and it is on the way. 😊
Shared.
I’m super relieved to hear that an adapter even exists for my leaf!! 😅
Thanks Tom, this is good info. Makes more think I can get a LEAF again.
Why they don't have active cooling.
@@ralanham76 Per Nissan slide deck it is because they were designed that way. Only a Battery Heater was added to keep the Battery from Freezing during extreme cold weather.
Bought a 2024 Leaf SV Plus and assumed I could get a CCS adapter eventually, but NACS too is so cool and unexpected! Only car to have access to all 3 plugs.
I have a Leaf with an A2Z CCS to Chademo adapter and the Tesla NACS to CCS adapter and putting those together I have never gotten it to work (I was at a station that supported other vehicle brands). Also every time I tried it, my Leaf would throw up a EV System fault light afterwards until I turned my car off and back on again. Otherwise my A2Z adapter works amazing and I haven't used Chademo in months, if this adapter ever breaks I'm completely screwed.
Have you made sure it is the V3 or above super charger?
@JeffS_EV_Talks Yes it was a V3 charger
that little push pin in the tesla adapter also locks the switch that allows you to disconnect from the super charger. so when it is connected to the vehicle it is not possible to remove the supercharger handle before removing the adapter.
It is not all V3s & V4s Tom. There are a couple of hundred sites that you cannot even with an adaptor. They are just Tesla only.
There however now 18,830 NACS adapter stalls you can use them on (+ 1,488 stalls with Magic Docks enabled you could always use)
Do you have a link to where these are?
@@jyearr6744 Can't link on youtube but search for "supercharge info" for the website
@@jyearr6744 supercharge info has a map of this
@@jyearr6744 You can't link to anything on youtube and it just deletes any comments. Even describing them gets deleted.
There is a map which shows the supercharge stalls out there.
I was at a Gen 4 Supercharger yesterday & for some reason the magic dock was not enabled. It said I could charge if I had an adapter. Just off I-35 at Lamoni , Iowa.
Maybe due to recall on magic docks right now
*Cries in ID.4 ownership*
I want to charge my old non CCS upgrade-able Tesla via NACS -> CCS -> CHAdeMO -> Tesla.
I finally received my official Ford adapter yesterday, and I have one of the first Lightnings. So, the pipeline from Tesla must be opening up.
I hope that the magic dock plug becomes the standard for chargers so we all don’t need to pay $235 more for an adapter. I mean no one pays for an adapter for a gas tank to fill up at a gas station. That detail should be provided by the charging station if they want customers.
It probably won't. It adds complexity and cost. The companies would prefer to move that cost to you. That sucks, but that's business...
these EVs are really not saving $$ when you include chargers, adapters, electricians, etc. I could buy gasoline for a Prius for 3 years for the cost of just the charging setup for 1 EV. Not worth it. I can buy a lot of gas for $235
@@mongo64071 Pretty sure the minimum three oil and filter changes you need over the three years is going to cost about that $235 if your using quality oil. Also not everyone needs this, but you do need three oil changes...
Tom, in the video with the Cyber Pizza truck you mentioned you had an Italian restaurant in Montclair? Was it on Valley Road near Tierney's? This video is bringing back fond memories. You installed one of the first level two chargers there back in 2011 or there about. We had a 2011 Nissan Leaf and it had like 75 miles of range. We couldn't make it from Basking Ridge to Montclair and back so we would stop at your restaurant and eat and charge the car. My wife remembers you had bottles with corks on the tables? And you had gluten free food. She is on a gluten free diet. You had a BMW with EV graphics on the side? This was you I hope? 😂You are definitely the OG of EV's! We have come a long way since 2011!
@@EVVolksmanID.4 Yep. That was me!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the inspiration, being the original EV Guru, and the early help when I too was an early adopter. I check for new videos from you daily. Also listen to your podcasts with the other guys on Batteries Included. Who would have thought in 2011 that a Nissan Leaf could charge at a Tesla Supercharger! We have come a long way! The Leaf is gone but now we drive a VW ID.4 and Tesla M3 RWD. Waiting for the video when the ID.4 can use an adapter at SC's. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. Thanks Again!
I’ve been charging my leaf a nacs super chargers for about two months now
Now this makes me wonder - can you use native Magic-Dock chargers with the built in adapter without the gap filler? Is the adapter on magic dock different and lacking this pin?
Magic dock is different. It locked to the tesla handle before releasing so did not need this pin. Many Aria owners have used magic dock without issue. The magic dock cannot release until paired back in the dispenser cradle so nobody steals it. Like an anti theft tag from a store it needs that special tool to unlock.
I am very happy that you verified my Lectron NACS adapter will work with my Ariya without issue. Thank you!
Thank you!
So question because prices on the Nissan Aria are pretty good. I've been looking at this along with the Chevy bolt uv but question that little plastic piece it's not going to break over time. If you leave it in the charge port like if I don't want to keep putting it in and taking it out, can I leave it in the charge port and it won't it won't break over time or wear out over time? Will it? Great video by the way. Keep up the great work and have a good one.
Lol. Those two combinations for the Nissan leaf look like a old school dust vacuum. Like when you want to get the stuff out the couch lol
The instructions say to leave it in the port. Its not supposed to be removed once put in. Theres no reason either to ever take it out anyway
@Jeddin okay so once it's in place you're not really supposed to take it out but it's not going to break over time. Is it? Because I'm getting to feeling that over time and it being plastic it might break. But thanks for that response. I appreciate it because like I said, I've been looking at the Aria and I've been looking at the euv and I plan to do mostly home charging. But if there's ever an instance where I might need to use a supercharger, there's way more superchargers around my house than anything else.
@ it shouldnt break. Its just a space occupier in a space where nothing should ever touch it except that small depressible pin on the Tesla adaptor. I cant imagine anything else ever hitting it forcibly in that area to break it.
@@EricDrummondBPCP It's a very sturdy piece of plastic, I don't think it will ever break. It's also available by itself for $7 if you already have a CCS to NACS adapter.
What are your thought on the Leaf Adaptor will they get cheaper ?? just your best guess
DId Nissan ever get back, I sent a letter they sent me back a form letter telling me to contact my dealer :(
Thanks for the update Tom. Has A2Z confirmed that their 2 adapters together will charge a LEAF at a Supercharger?
I don't believe Leafs will be enabled for it. Similar to how Ford Focus Electrics can't charge on Superchargers even though other Ford's can.
Volvo dealers in SF Area do not yet stock adapter.
Can you show a video of charging a Ariya on Tesla if you get a chance
You’re joking right?
So I buy the 1200 worth of adapters, pull in to the supercharger in my leaf, plug in....and? How do I get the charger to start?
Most of the Tesla stalls are labeled. I’ve been to multiple Tesla Superchargers that don’t have stall labels.
Is that small plastic piece needed if you use a Tesla Magic Dock?
Yes, the magic dock uses the same Tesla manufactured NACS to CCS1 adapter as Tom showed in the video
No, the Magic Dock does not have the pin to lock the NACS cable in the adapter. It uses an electromagnetic lock.
No, it's not necessary on Magic Dock
Nissan is in serious trouble. Recently they made the decision to merge the Infinity dealers to the Nissan ones. The Ariya seems like a pretty good EV but they seem to struggle with everything they do these days...
Hi tom I have a question about nacs to ccs 1 adaptors. Do they just do DC input? So in other words do you still need a nacs to j1772 for ac charging? I need to replace my tesla tap and I was wondering if I could just get one adaptor. Thanks and I really appreciate keeping us informed on all the new charging equipment.
Yes, only DC. You need an AC adapter for AC charging.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thanks
What happens if you plug a wallcharger to a NACS to CCS adaptor as you did in the video? Will it pass current through and still work as a level 2 adaptor so you dont need a separate NACS to J1772 adaptor?
You'll need a separate adapter.
No. These are only DC. You need an AC adapter for that.
Even if you could plug it in it won't work.
It would be like plugging in a USB into an old serial port.
Did Ionna open up some sites?
Not yet. Very soon.
Good info, Tom. Any idea/guess how soon my Hyundai will get authorized for NACS?
I thought they announced it was coming in January?
@ you are right kind of. Kia says Jan 15 as far as I know but no clear answer I’ve seen for Hyundai.
Why on Earth hasn't Nissan produced their own Chademo to CCS convertor? Crazy!
I'm confused as to why an older (pre-V3) Tesla Supercharger won't charge a Chademo vehicle with a Tesla to Chademo adapter. PLC is not being used, correct, so why? And the same in reverse for the Tesla to Chademo adapter at a NON-Tesla NACS Supercharger station, that won't work either (because it is PLC only), correct?
The problem is starting the charge. Cannot do it from the Tesla app as you can for v3 and above.
How is authorization working on the Leafs? I understand how the adapters physically work, but what is stopping someone like me with a BZ4X from saying I have a Nissan Leaf and plugging in to charge with a Lectron adapter?
Somehow the communication protocol transmits information about the car, such as VIN or similar, so they can only enable the vehicles allowed to charge, you can't trick it.
@ interesting, is the leaf adapter passing that information through? I would’ve expected it to appear as its own thing.
I think these adapter prices are insane. Will there ever be a sub 100 dollar model since this rollout is starting to happen?
That’s what I’m saying. I’m not pay $1,200 for both of those adapters if I wanna use Tesla chargers
So, do the CCS1 plugs at non Tesla DC chargers have the lower pin? I’ve looked for pictures and all I can find are plugs with no lower pin? Are we being unsafe at these DC chargers? I don’t think so.
No, regular CCS plugs do not have that pin, it's only used on the adapter to secure the NACS plug so it can't be pulled out while the adapter is plugged into the car. Hard to explain but it's just a very simple interlock for the release on the other side.
@, that’s what I’m getting at, theres not really a reason for the pin. The Tesla plug, plus adapter is no heavier than the CCS plug on an EVgo station.
Does that lock the NACS so you can't unplug it?
No, it's not a lock
I didn't know if it locked the pin on the back so you can't undo the NACS while it's charging.
Yes, it is, contrary to how Tom explains it. All the pin does is interlocks the release on the back side of the adapter so you can't press it down and release the NACS plug while the adapter is plugged into the car. If that interlock doesn't engage it won't allow the vehicle to charge. It does exactly what you explained.
Does this mean Tesla endorses or officially accepts the A2Z Chademo adapter?
NO
The Supercharger has no way of knowing what kind of adapters are being used, for what it’s worth.
I have my Rivian adapter and, unless I'm confused, there is not a tesla super charger I can use where I live. Omaha, Ne.
When will they open them all?
They won't. The older V2 stations are not compatible so unless Tesla updates them (probably not anytime soon) only Tesla vehicles can use them.
8801 W Center Rd, Omaha, NE
Is a V3 that should charge your Rivian with an adapter.
@GregHassler I'm only going by the Rivian app. The closest I see is in Lincoln.
@@MDillonEVuse the Tesla app, under “Charge your other EV”
It seems like this little pin could easily be 3D printed, given the right materials.Also, why didn't they just make it fill the whole thing in?
They saved 2 cents 😂
Probably so you can remove it. However, I'm not sure why that would ever be needed.
Looks like Nissan & Toyota/Subaru used the same source for their port.
Only other EV where there is a space between the DC pins is the Hyundai Kona/Kia Niro. But that's at the top and bottom.
Yeah, I posted that in the video @4:08
If I use this adapter with my Ariya and plug into a Tesla Level 2 destination charger, will it charge?
No. These are for DC charging only. You need an AC adapter (NACS to J1772) for that.
The A2Z adapters don’t work on Tesla super charger. I’ve tired a few different super chargers and they all fail. Done several updates nothing works.
NACS to CCS to ChaDeMo. Rube Goldberg would be proud.
I give it a month before A2z has a chademo to NACS adaptor based off of the chademo to CCS adaptor
I think someone should just make a conversion kit for the Leaf, to permanently make it CCS.
@@GregHassler someone tried a couple years ago IIRC in the Netherlands, but it was like 10 grand
Are any car manufacturers starting to use the NACS port on their 2025 model production cars?
Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis are.
Starting....on their new models. Not retrofitting existing models
Props to nomadic hippie for getting the Leaf to work!
I can't figure out how to charge the adapter. There are literally no videos about how to prepare the adapter before charging your car.
looks like a 3d printed part would work for the Arriya
Yep
BMW sent out a letter to some customers so hopefully some movement for us.
It is very frustrating how much Nissan has been hanging Leaf owners out to dry with the changing fast charger ports. They made a choice to stick with the CHAdeMO and so many people bought the car because it is a great little car and made an assumption that since no one in the NA market was making a decision on things that it would eventually get sorted and adapters would happen but here we are. The only adapters Leaf owners get are 3rd party ones.
Is Mercedes next ?
So to charge my 2018 SV LEAF at Tesla s/c I'll need to buy $999 CSS1>CHAdeMO & $185 NACS>CCS1 from A2Z (15% off with SOC coupon code on both?) from A2Z, or $285 from Nissan ... Yikes! PLEASE someone make an affordable NACS>CHAdeMO adapter for us LEAF owners?
Hopefully in the future the prices will drop. I heard it’s because they basically have tinny computers in them
Wait, you can just go to Nissan and buy a Tesla NACS to CCS adapter? I waited 9 months for Ford to send mine... 🤡
that adapter represents 10% of what I paid for a 2019 leaf...
Good grief. As a Kia EV owner, I’m starting to feel stiffed by Tesla.
It seams like we’re about a year behind what Tesla initially announced.
The Kia and Ioniq lines are potentially the main rival to Tesla. Especially with your V2L features and the demonstrated usefulness during disasters.
Kia is getting access to the Tesla network next month.
Why would you charge on a supercharger? I'm happy to not have to touch anything Tesla...
Because they're everywhere in the US and actually work unlike the EVgo and EA stations.
@GregHassler For me the home charger is enough. My car got charged at a station exactly 3 times in 13 months. And in those three times, EA worked perfectly. There are plenty of them across the US too. I'll never charge at a supercharger because I don't want to support Musk, but even if that wasn't the case, I'd never need to.
@@lukastemberger No everyone's usage mirrors yours. People are unique.
@@pilotboba Absolutely. I'm just saying that even if I needed to charge outside of my home more, I wouldn't use a Tesla station. Not saying everyone needs to be like me, just sharing my pov :)
Tom, Nissan kinda screwed me here and I'm hoping you are able to get in touch with them. We have an Ariya but also have a Bolt EUV. I ordered the NACS adapter from GM and the official Tesla one arrived back in October. I don't want or need a second adapter, but I'm basically required to in order to use the Ariya with a supercharger. For the life of me I can't understand why they don't sell that little plug separately. If they did, I'd be golden. But as of right now I'm pretty mad.
Someone needs to get the dimensions of the cavity so a filler can be 3d printed
Fill it with some epoxy
You can fix anything with chewing gum and duct tape.
Well… good for Nissan. I really am starting to wish that automakers had just made CCS-1 the "standard," like they did in Europe with CCS-2. With adapters, and authorization from Tesla, there would be NO problem. And Tesla would just have to adapt its ports, again like in Europe, and also in China.
It wasn't the automakers that chose ccs2 in Europe it was the government.
In the US they let market forces win since Tesla has by far the most plugs everyone is now moving to them.
@@ralanham76 There are more CCS-1 sites than Tesla sites, but the latter has more stalls. That will change. Regardless, I still say it was a mistake to give E'loon any more power than he already has.
@@Yanquetino how many stalls are there, a search says around 5000 location? The search says 27000 supercharger. I don't think anyone gave Elon power the other automakers basically did nothing so now Tesla is the default. Just like everything else has happened the majority of users want whatever is common. It took 15 years for a common standard to show up.
@@ralanham76 CCS-1: 9,015 stations; 20,174 stalls. Superchargers: 7,344 stations; 40,745 stalls. As I said, Tesla wins with stalls, not stations.
No wonder why Nissan is two years from going belly up
You mean the Honda leaf lol
Nope
@ but leaf will become a Honda leaf very soon lol
@ nope
@ well yes they are mergin together so it will become Honda
@ that merger will not happen
Good grief Nissan 😂
poor Nissan lol
Amazing, right!?!
Nissan is going bankrupt. I wouldn’t touch them with someone else’s money.
I like Nissan, but I am sad they screwed up their CCS port. They are finished. They did it to save a few dollars.
It looks like Toyota and Subaru uses the same chargeport for the bZ4X and Solterra
“Screwed up” seems a bit extreme. You spend 5 seconds sticking a $2 piece of plastic in a hole and never touch it again.
CHADAMO is the main reason Japan refuses to want to produce any decent EV's. CHADAMO is a 50kw standard and, in JAPAN, there are stations virtually everywhere. Furthermore, Japan is not a "driving" country, driving is mostly a city affair, the notion of "road tripping" is thoroughly alien, if you need to travel anywhere you take a fast train and thats it! Clean, very fast and given the superbly extensive city railway system, you don't really need a car unless running errands in town. The notion of a long range EV, that would benefit from very fast charging is a little alien to their whole idea of transportation. It's a pity since that has put the future of their whole auto industry in jeopardy.
CHAdeMO on the Leaf Plus can do 100kW
Nissan is not some small local Japanese company, new to exporting to America. They had plenty of time to adapt the Leaf to the American market like they are begrudging doing now, probably too late.
CHAdeMO is not a "50kw standard" it can go up 400 kW and there are 100kw stations in the usa and 150kw stations in japan.
@@bobnaruto123
Please let me know of any chademo vehicle ever made that charged at over 50kw....
@@Wised1000 the Nissan Leaf Plus (60 kWh) can charge at 100kw, the Nissan ariya (japan) can charge at 130kw, the porsche taycan(japan) can charge at 150kw (this is immitted do to infrastructure in japan, if there where 350kw 800v chargers in japan it could charge just as fast as the CCS taycans ),toyota bz4x (japan), lexus rz450e (japan),subaru solterra (japan) can charge faster than 50kw(limited to how bad the charging is on those cars regardless of DC port) the E-GMP platform cars ex, Ioniq 5(japan), EV6(japan),Genesis GV60(japan),ectm can charge at 150kw(same limitation as the taycan). basically any that can charge faster than 50kw on CCS can charge just as fast on CHAdeMO giving an appropriate charger.
This is an uniquely North Americanself inflicted problem- EU has forced the CCS2 standard on everyone . There is a adapter now available for CCS to Chademo for the leaf.
Thank God North America didn't force the CCS 1 standard on us, now we get to use the better plug. A relatively small number of older CCS cars will be slightly inconvenienced.
What a joke, especially with an UNRESOLVED Nissan Leaf fast battery charging recall.
This is absolutely comical for Leaf owners 🤡
Only Nissan , who still is hanging onto Chademo, would screw up the Ariya's CCS port.
Nissan is getting near bankruptcy. This silly plastic piece is a sad commentary on how it has lost its way.
This video is way too long
Give us you're address and we'll send you a prompt refund 🙂
I have bad news for Nissan vehicle owners. Your company is, most likely, going out of business.