Solid choice for a back country pistol. I regularly carry a model 20 myself in areas with potential for wildlife encounters. I would stick with the 200 hard cast. You're going to be shooting fast when in that bad of a situation, so any poor or missed shots will be immediately made up with more rounds being sent. But I can see your thought process. Love the idea of the lanyard. Most people won't be able to maintain control of their pistol if they get knocked down by an attacking animal. You have obviously put a lot of thought into this, which is more than most critics will do! Preparation will give you something the unprepared won't have...a chance! Good job, sir!
Thanks for watching my video!! I definitely put alot of thought into it. Not saying my setup works for all backcountrymen, but if I'm familiar enough with it, I will be able to utilize it to its furthest potential, and that's worth alot. Best of luck out there! 🙏
I agree with what you said I also live in MT in grizz country and I see a lot more mountain lions now and my go to gun is a glock 29 with the glock 20 mags and underwood 200 grain hardcast bullets when we are out working on fences or cutting firewood we also take a 12 gage with slugs close by but my glock never leaves my side great vid keep them coming and stay safe
A couple of comments: Very good explanation of the balance between muzzle velocity and projectile weight. I agree that neither a slow heavy bullet, or a fast but super lite bullet are good combinations. I have a G20 and a G29. I settled on the Underwood 200g hard cast over the heavier 220g. I carry the 10mm almost exclusively in Grizzly country (Idaho and Wyoming), but when in Black Bear only country I often carry a G17 (9mm) loaded with Underwood +P 147g hard cast. I get torn between the two. I love the greater terminal performance of the 10mm, but I can get shots downrange faster and more accurately with the 9mm. Here in Oregon Black Bear can reach 300+ lbs, but to be honest that is the exception and not the rule. The vast majority will weigh between 150-250 lbs. I feel the 9mm +P hard cast is adequate. But whatever I am carrying I ALWAYS bring along an extra magazine or two. You just never know...
Steve Rinella was in Alaska with 8 other guys and a coastal brown bear charged their lunch spot. Not one person had the time to grab a firearm. One guy hit the bear with a trekking pole. If you unknowingly wander near a bear's cache or get between a sow and her cub and you dont know it, for one reason or another, you will never get to anything in time, no matter where its located on your person. Your at the mercy of good luck or bad. Good luck with you 10mm, .44 mag or .454 Casull....
I've heard Remi tell that story on Joe Rogan's podcast. None of those guys even had their handguns on them, let alone any rifles. They were just sprawled around the ground eating lunch. That's why I made this video, because when I'm in camp and take the pack off, my gun gets clipped on my pants, not left on my pack like Remi's was. Most of those guys have bino harnesses that hold a handgun, but after a long day you just want to take all that crap off and let your body breathe a little. Something that clips onto my pants belt is so quick and easy to do
I’m a born again believer and I lput my trust in God. But he still wants us to use wisdom, so I’ll be picking up the g20 gen 5 soon. I moved to the bitterroot only 3 months ago.
God, Gods don't exist, never have and never will. Grow up and stop being a child. Religions cloud the mind with utter nonsense, religions destroy any and all critical thinking faculties, religions turn people into blathering idiots.
@@jfphotography69said the blathering idiot. Everyone is entitled to their own views. You have your beliefs and you’re welcome to it. You don’t, however, have a moral right to abuse others.
That is a great idea alternating or as some call it snack stacking the magazine. I carry hollow and fmj when I carry for concealed protection. It makes sense for bear attack scenarios as well. I carried a .45 up in Alaska last year visiting my son in the military. I carried the hardcast buffalo bore. He has a 10mm mdx. Great video.
I think it’s a good choice. Ammo is critical. I use and like the Lanyard. Ditch the grip plug. As an Instructor it is hard to strip out a double fed magazine from the sides of the bottom plate under stress. Glock designed the cutaway in the rear grip area to finger/thumb grab and strip the magazine out. (All European magazines are not drop free) If you put a plug in it, you loose the grip front and rear of magazine. A chest rig is easier accessible if you fall or get knocked down . The Blackhawk Serpa Holsters have a history as one of the most accidental discharges on simply drawing of any plastic molded holsters. Because you use your trigger finger to depress as you draw, it sometimes slips into the trigger opening and possibly onto the trigger causing the unintended accidental discharge. The last thing you need is to accidentally shoot your own leg as you draw to fire on a charging Bear. I like the Hard Cast bullet idea though. I would have stayed with a HP but understand the penetration is more important.
Very good video, and a good thought process overall, from the lanyard to what comes out the end of the barrell..... not super crazy about a holster that has to be manipulated to use.... if thats what i am seeing.... but still, a great carry and a great way to carry it...
Thank you for watching!! I agree, I'm not super crazy about manipulating a holster to use, but in some of the crap I've crawled through, I'm even less crazy about losing my gun somewhere or having it come out of its holster and shoot me lol. So, it's kind of a necessary evil. Gotta weigh the pros and cons to both options, and pick which one is more important to me
Very nicely done….and good, well thought out presentation. ( and it looks like you might have woken up a few over at Glad Times Trailer Park and Rehab….they can be a bit touchy when the heat overwhelms the window air conditioner !! ) 😮😂
One of the down Sides with a Semiauto is if you are knocked down, it doesn’t take much for that gun to get knocked out of Battery plus if that Bear is on top of you, you need a little bit of Clearance to Successfully fire it. Unlike a Revolver, you are able to Press the Barrel up Against the Bear and successfully pull the Trigger.
What about the gas leakage from the cylinder being a danger that close to you? Idk man. Seem like a bad deal all around. I'd rather have double the ammo
I live in Alaska. My current defensive pistols are a Glock 29 10mm, a Glock 27 .40 S&W (for when I really need light weight), and a Ruger SP101 .357 (snow machine moose pistol - may need it for -20° F temps and don’t completely trust polymer at those temps). I have medium small hands, thus the smaller pistols. Buffalo Bore or Underwood with hard cast bullets is my choice for ammo. Yours looks like a good set up to me, except I’ve moved away from Serpa holsters, either the Gunfighters Inc. Kenai chest holster or Blade-Tech hip holster. I like the springy lanyard, I’ll have to look for one of them. Alaska State Troopers will write you up for any defensive bear kill further than 10 yards.
I'll have to do some testing with polymer at -20°F, haven't thought about that much. However, at least in Montana, those temps keep the bears in dens, not out endangering me. I do have the Gunfighters Inc Kenai chest holster but it doesn't work with my bino harness, so I have to have a different setup. The lanyard is frickin awesome!! Don't listen to anyone who doesn't have any experience with them. I've yet to hear about Montanan officials giving anyone any trouble for defensive shot distance. Best of luck 👊
Really good explanation. Ive been tossing around options and looking for advice from people who are really out there. Thanks for taking the time. Curious if you pursued the bear, or called it because of the cats? Knowing they could be stalking around would knaw at me.
I have the whole encounter on RUclips, it's the video titled "The Most Bears/Cougars I've Seen Yet!". I actually walked right up to where the cats were laying after they got up and walked into the trees, and I tried to find if they climbed up some trees there or went down to the creek or what. After not finding any of the four cats, I walked past that spot and went after the bear. I blew it out as soon as I crested over the ridge, never saw it again. Walking back in the pitch black right where I saw the cats earlier was a little hairy but I had no more run ins!
Hey nighbor im also here in the north west Montana, I also carry my Glock 20 probably 6 years now .. That lanyard awesome idea . The bungie spring part is brilliant now i gotta have one .. I also put a stream light TLR-8 LAZER light combo on it years ago absolutely Amazing match up .. Roaming around threw the woods hiking looking for fishing spots .. I carry in hand my Remington 12ga . 13 " barrel semi auto Tac 13 .. loaded with 5 slugs super low Recoil Absolutely fast shooter .. So on the mtn lions Man yeah buddy past few 4 years i been seeing them Saw 2 togethe 3 others alone . But wolves also I dont want to name any places on here But im sure you know . How far out are you shooting your 10mm ? We lay old steel tims on there side at At 112 yards and and Nail that rim oh man there all shot up . Have yoh taken any game with the 10mm.. I took a few deer 🦌. That Glock 20 is a serious weapon with my background i can tell people that dont much about them There a absolute destroyer.. 15 tounds In a mag . I have easly put 180gr . Sig hard cast rounds threw 8" Trees clean threw .. I tested that caliber on alot of stuff . Old cars easly threw both sides of doors . Ots one gun i feel very safe with the more i shoot it the more it impresses me . I use to count how many rounds i shot but i lost count few first years at 1,400 To 1,600 . In my Safari land holster every kinda of drill from drawing as you walk forwRd back Side ways any type of movement that comes to mind practice . Oh rolling basket ball 🏀 i had a foam one I kick it up a hill and draw and shoot it as it rolled back .. I switched out my stock sights with Truglow orange post High Viz green on back workz great .. Its great hearing others out here with same set up . 🌲👍🌲🤠🌲🇺🇸🌲
Hey friend! Glad to hear to hear the Glock 20 is working out for you. If there is any change I'd make to my setup, it'd probably be to get a slide-mounted 1x red dot sight on it. Just makes target acquisition a little faster, but having electronics that you're depending your life on isn't always the most reassuring idea, so I haven't done it yet. Yes I've been seeing tons of wolves while I'm out deer and bear hunting, seems to be a constant now. I also have the weird fortune of seeing lots of lions, way more than the average Montana hunter lol. How are you holstering your Glock 20 with the TLR-8 on it?
@@SawtoothWildI bought a glock 43x and guy had a mag loads with 8 extreme Penetrators and 2 hp on top and the other 2 EP in case so now I got black bear ammo here in foothills NC....
Interesting video- a lanyard is not something I would necessarily use, but I understand your philosophy and you are used to managing it, so it makes sense for you in your environment, and how you use it. I am in the SW, and gave up on my Serpa after dust made the release draggy and gritty. I would imagine the same would happen to you with mud, dirt and snow. As others have mentioned, lots of bad ND history with Serpa... I went to a 5.11 Gear Thumbdrive that works really well, but is not made anymore. I now use a Safariland 6378 ALS with the addition of the Thumb Nub, and it is excellent.
Thanks for watching my video! I have heard all the horror stories with Serpa, and half of them are user error on the draw (avoidable with training). The other half is dirty and sticky holsters from failure to clean and maintain them. I figure if I'm great at keeping it dry and clean it would work fine, and over 5 years now it's worked flawlessly for me. My biggest threat here is snow buildup, but generally I'm not crawling on my chest in the snow lol. If I lived in AZ I would probably have something different, but you guys also don't have grizzlies there. So I'm not saying it's the perfect setup for everyone, but it's the perfect setup for me!
@@SawtoothWild For sure, and there is a ton of value in being used to, and comfortable with a system. I trust my 1990's Sigs, and can manage to hit the broad side of a barn with them, and they are far from the latest and greatest... Take care, and don't get chomped by any of those critters!
Wasn't there a hunter case not too long ago where a Montana hunter was killed by a Grizzly after he shot it twice with a powerful rifle? A Grizzly enraged is damn scary. Being out of reach is probably the safest plan. All of my encounters with bears were with bears who were not interested, or took my noisy presence as a good reason to vacate the area. I have to say I am ok with hunting for food or survival or to take down a sick animal, or to control over population. I am not a fan of, and I am opposed to sport, or trophy hunting.
Right, and that's the thing too. If youre hunting legally (abiding by the seasons, with a legal tag, legal weapon, within legal daylight hours) then the biologists of that area have done the research and have okay'd the population in that area to be thinned out for various reasons. So, even if a person's goal was to "trophy hunt", as long as they're doing it legally, there really isn't an issue as far as environmental impact goes. In a way, all of us hunters who love this craft are "trophy hunters". There's just nothing quite as satisfying as a big juicy bear steak on your dinner table, that's a trophy to me, man!
Still waiting for someone to market a portable flame thrower. It would have dual burners. One would be a pressurized propane gas flame which would point into and ignite the pressurized stream of flaming fluid. The pressurized propane flame could go on long after the flaming fluid has run out and be adjusted to 2-3ft in length for close combat with the bear if needed, but I doubt it would be as animals are programmed by their entire evolution to run from fire. Also, they don't understand fire and our apparent mastery of it adds to their fear of humans.
Thank you for the sub!! Really appreciate it. The lanyard was on ebay, from a small seller/brand called "N2 The Wild Lanyards". I had one break on me a few years ago after tons of use, and the seller sent me two more for free. Awesome product! Personally I went with the 20 over the 29 because it's a big caliber and hard enough to hold with a long grip, can't imagine with a short grip and having one finger hanging off the edge. If weight was really a concern, you can always just carry half a mag full (10rds or whatever the 29 can hold), or even put a 29 slide on a 20 frame for some weight reduction. Longer barrel would have more energy, and energy is important for a defensive weapon
Thanks for the advice, i’ll look him up. The glock20 sounds good also. Underwood has 155 gr fmj flat nose that puts out 775 pounds of kinetic energy. Also like the idea of stacking jhps every other round. Appreciate it.
Personally I don't remember Underwood having anything with that much muzzle energy but maybe they've come out with something new since I've last looked. At the time, DoubleTap was easier for me to get and they had a better selection. I ordered the 200 and 220gr stuff with at least 700ft/lbs of muzzle energy
Your caliber and ammo choices are very good, and you are a well thought out and researched person. I feel we are all being misled by "energy on the box" now a days. Energy doesn't correspond to field effectiveness except in a general sense. What matters to terminal effect is permanent tissue damage. The bigger, deeper and cleaner cut the hole, along with the more bones and organs destroyed is what is most effective. Not a "sonic wave of temporary stretch shock," especially from a handgun. In the "energy calculation" some math wizard "doubled" the effect of velocity in its calculation as if it would be better to quickly shove an 100 grain ice pick through a body at 1,000 fps than a 3" diameter 5lb spear at 200 fps. Guns & Ammo contributor Col. Craig Bottington wrote about this when he often tested out the new "wonder magnums" delivering thousands of pounds of on-paper energy ballistics to bears while watching them run off after being hit. He knew the good 'ol 45-70 would have anchored the bear much more effectively with far less energy, but a big heavy flat-faced bullet that hit like a freight train, and destroyed everything in its deep penetrating path. The only way to know which is better between the 200 grain and the 230 would be to test for penetration, and permanent cavity, then see if one is noticeably easier to shoot. However, both 10mm's would be very effective.
I agree with what you're saying. Ideally we'd test and compare every single bullet through our chosen carry gun in ballistics gel, and measure precisely how damaged the primary cavity is and how far subsequent branched cavities go. That's basically unattainable for 99% of Americans to be able to accurately find that information for themselves. Ideally, yes, that's what I should do for my chosen carry loads. Maybe I'm wrong, and the 180gr load would hurt a bear more than my chosen 200gr load, I don't know, I don't have a great way to test that. All I have is muzzle energy and vague bullet design to decide on. It could potentially be a decision that costs me my life, but at the same time, how much of my life do I want to waste just trying to figure out what bullet I should carry? Thanks for watching my video, friend!!
I run the glock 20 in a chest holster for back up. My 44 mags thru 500 mags in my chest holsters are not fast enough for me. I tend to osolate between 1 solid and 1 hp round on my edc .40 cal. but stay with solids on my glock 20 10 mm. 300 win mag threw 375 ultra mag for hunting. Are you aware of pointing your pistol at your leg. I have one friend with a prostetic leg , shot him self. I have another friends dad blew part of his arm off with 12 gauge pulling his shotgun out of the boat.
Yes, like I said in the video, that gun just doesn't ever come out of its holster. And if it ever does (to clean, or to make a video about it like I did here), it is NOT pointed at any of mine or anyone else's body parts. I'm very strict with that.
I live in Montana, and I carry a Glock 21 converted to a 460 Rowland. If you look at the 10 mm vs the 460 Rowland, the advantage of the 460 Rowland is overwhelming.
@@SawtoothWild I shoot Glock 20,40, 10mm and 21 converted to 460 Rowland. Capacity is 14 with the 460. 255 hard cast Underwood and 240 Hornady XTP Mag loaded and sold by Rowland are my choice for it.
I like the Lanyard. I'm loaded with the Underwood 200 HC. I do have boxes of the Double Tap, BB, and Grizzly that I haven't shot yet. Definately better piece of mind in the back country carrying all those rnds on the chest. Yea, the Glock isn't pretty, but mine runs flawlessly:)
Hold on, I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying. I'm a backcountry solo hunter generally, I simply can't carry a dedicated rifle for bear defense on top of my long range hunting rifle (that's sometimes strapped to my pack so I can use trekking poles). A handgun on my hip or pack is the only option I have at that point to defend against a bear.
Interesting video..! As a long time NW MT resident I share your need for big critter protection. I'm not too sure about your lanyard. I can see it getting wrapped up at inopertune times. 10mm is a capable caliber but is not my 1st choice.
Yeah it could definitely get wrapped up if the cord wasn't always pretty tight. So far not once has it wrapped up from hunting/hiking/packing game. I unclip it to take it inside the tent with me. And 10mm is one of the most energy dense calibers you can own these days, that an average person can shoot effectively. A .44 magnum is more powerful (per round) of course, but considering you only have 6 rounds potentially, it's less total energy in your hand than 16 rounds of 10mm. That's my train of thought
@@SawtoothWild The 10mm is a good caliber in it's own right. - The closest comparison to a stout 10mm is a standard loaded 357 Mag. - There are lots of calibers that easily exceed the energy put out by the 10mm - Capacity gives off a false sense of security. - In reality, the odds of getting off more than 2 shots accurately at a charging bear is slim to none... With any type firearm. - In your 4 mountain lion example, 1 or 2 shots would have put the leader down and the rest would be running for the hills. - My carry choice is a short barrel 12ga pump with 2oz buck and ball loads (1 - 71 cal round ball on top of 8 - 31 cal 0 buckshot, lead cast hard with antimony and a pinch of copper to sweeten it for toughness) and a heavy loaded 45 Colt as back up. It is an interesting discussion...
Yeah I disagree with almost everything you wrote here, based on my personal experience running around the mountains over the years. Since you want to talk about odds, the odds of you sending all 5 or 6 shots into vitals at a charging animal are slim to none. Higher capacity allows for sloppier shots which are almost guaranteed to happen. Bears have been documented to be killed by .22LR and 9mm, it's not always about high energy. And in my mountain lion example, you actually have no idea what a wild animal would or wouldn't do. All four lions theoretically COULD decide to attack, perhaps at different intervals, when your magazine capacity is dwindling. You just can't say killing "the leader" (whatever that means) would make the rest take off. The cats I personally ran into last year all looked the same size, I didn't know which one was a kitten or which one was the queen or tom or anything. I very well could've been taking out one kitten at a time while their mother was still out for blood. Your personal choice carry is all but practical especially for a solo backcountry bear hunt. Everyone is tough til they have to pack all this weight 10 miles up and down a mountain with an animal on their back!
@@SawtoothWild Lol... Looks like I put a burr under your saddle. How many years experience do you have? I'll take my 14 years in Alaska and 45 years in the Northern Rockies... All Grizz country. Have you ever been charged by a bear? Have you ever fired a warning shot to chase a cat away? So far mine have all run. We'll have to agree to disagree... Have a nice day! :-)
I'd select a chest holster without buttons to press to draw the pistol because you might fumble with it or something else could go wrong and not get it out in time. Other than that your choice of the G20 in 10 mm is a good choice. Or a 357 mag revolver with 180 grain JSP would work too. Ammo should be whatever penetrates the most, usually plain old FMJ or specialty ammo if you prefer.
People say carry a rifle. yes, that's a better option if you're not fishing or bow hunting or what ever, but I agree with you as far as why you carry a 16 shot semi auto 10 mm. As far as what someone said about the rope attached to the pistol. apparently they didn't watch all of your video. I agree , you do not want that fire arm to leave your body and who knows what might happen during a bear attack ? By the way its not a rope , it's an expandable lanyard. I think if your in camp walking around with that set up on your person is an insurance policy. That 10 mm on your person climbing up a tree to bow hunt is a good thing. Good job, I enjoyed this video. P.S. I have a gen 4 Glock 20 also, and I shoot underwood 200 grain hard cast and it has always went bang !
Thank you for your support and for watching my video! I agree with you. So many guys have been mauled IN CAMP when they let their guard down, or while packing a very big heavy rifle, but what good is it if your throat is in a bears mouth? The barrel is too long to even shoot a bear at that distance. So many people are so macho, thinking they'll be prepared and have their gun in their hands exactly when they would need to. I'm not claiming I have all the answers or that I will defeat a group of hungry grizzlies with my Glock; I'm just being realistic, trying to increase my changes of surviving more mauling scenarios so I can keep doing this mountain stuff we all love!
Why not have alternating bullets in the magazine, each one with a different power profile and alternating shots?most likely you get off 2-4 shots on a charging sow.
Greetings from Bristol Bay Alaska. Every year we have to put down 1-5 browns where children play. Grizzlies are the smaller, inland variety of brown bears. We're on the coast, with a world class salmon run, so our browns are big and plentiful. I'm with you on your choice of gun. I would take a 5+ inch 9mm loaded with +P+ hard cast over any magnum revolver. The rule of gunfighting an attacking brown charging from 50 yards is, you have 3 seconds to stay out of the hospital, so nothing but the brain or spine counts. The ability to take 4-5-6 follow up shots inside of that 3 seconds wins. I EDC a Glock 40 gen 4 (15+1, 6", 10mm) in the summer. The extra 50% barrel length gives me a couple hundred more ft lbs, and a little less felt recoil. I dig the lanyard idea. There's zero chance of still holding a pistol of any size after getting hit squarely by a Ford Ranger doing 30mph, claws first. So the ideal choice when you "pull guard" on a bear is a backup snubby magnum revolver that's still in a chest holster. Your lanyard is a decent 2nd choice. I'm not on board with the hollow points. The extra pain and suffering of expanding bullets are just going to make it worse for you. What doesn't kill it literally makes it stronger. You don't want to give the rage monster a bigger spike of adrenaline. It won't slow it down. Nothing but the brain or spine will stop it BEFORE it hits you doing 30mph. If you roll the bear with a shoulder shot, that means it shattered the shoulder. Except a hollow point will never make it deep enough with enough energy to do that. 220gr hard cast might. Might. 12 gauge slugs are the only thing that can do it every time. So again, nothing but the brain or spine will guarantee you won't have to crawl for days with critical injuries before life flight can reach you. I carry 31 rounds of 220gr Buffalo Bore hard cast. The reload is for clearing a malfunction, not for needing a 17th round. Good for you on getting rid of the clip on holster attachment. Paddles and clip ons are trash in the field. But your holster choice is terrifying to me. The way the Serpa button lines up with the trigger, they are directly responsible for more negligent discharges than all other holsters combined. Most people who have shot themselves in the leg during the draw from the hip were caused by Serpas. Safariland ELS is just as secure, just as fast, and zero chance of inducing a negligent discharge. If you upgrade the barrel, a 6" G40 barrel will give you more performance with Buffalo Bore hard cast than any 4" G20 barrel, and runs fine in the compact G20 slide. Then swap it back to the 4" for city slicking with hollow points.
Thank you for your opinions! You should put all this into a video and post it on your channel. I agree with alot of what you said of course, and you're only the 25th person I've heard from about Serpas being a bad choice because of statistics. However, the statistics don't show that the holsters fail, it shows that the users of them fail. That's like saying I shouldn't drive a Ford Mustang because statistics show they cause the most accidents. Sure, maybe, but if I'm a good driver/operator, those statistics don't apply to me. And again, I strongly disagree with your hollow point theory. I'd rather have something that dissipates it's full energy on a non-critical body part than lose almost all of the energy into the dirt with a small pencil hole it made. Regardless, thanks for watching my video and I look forward to watching yours!
@@SawtoothWildcheck out safari land holsters. They make, what I think is, a very nice lvl 1 retention model that accepts a light as well. Also, Buffalo Bore SOLIDS are the only way to go.
I don't simply because I have never had a malfunction or failure of any kind with my Gen4 Glock 20. And also to save a little weight. Everything is a risk. One day, not having an extra mag might bite me in the butt, but packing that extra weight every single time I'm out is a GUARANTEED bite in the butt. If I REALLY wanted to preserve my life to the most extreme extent, I'd just stay home! 😂💯
@@SawtoothWild or,you could argue the extra weight of a spare mag and say a flashlight-carried on your support side would balance you out,and also provide a reload and some light-any professionally armed individual who carries a firearm is also required to carry spare mags-and there are hundreds of encounters(thousands actually)that reiterate why it’s important-so,instead of staying home,I’d say the minimal extra weight is worth its weight in gold.This all comes from a combat veteran and current State Police Investigator,who has seen the worst case scenarios too many times,so I might be jaded,but I can promise you-if you ever get into it-no one ever said I have too much ammo..
Yeah. But this is a solo backcountry hunting scenario were taking about. If I get into a shootout with a gang of grizzly bears, it just might be my time to go, you know? I can only carry so much. That philosophy is great until you consider: *well maybe I need more first aid*, *maybe I should have a backup water filter*, *an extra pair of socks never hurt anyone*, *I really should have a backup rifle because you never know*, *I might need a backup pair of binos in case I lose my primary one over a cliff*, *I should just carry a backup backpack in case my first one breaks a strap*, ON & ON. Sooner or later you just have to call it good, man. 15+1 is good for 99% of the shit I'll run into in the remote Rockies.
Alaska Bear / Trail pistol Glock 20 in 10mm with 200/220 Hardcast Glock 21 Custom in 45 Super / 250gr Hardcast. Who made the belt clip for the holster ?
Full power buffalo bore hardcast 10mm will absolutely put down a bear or mountain lion. And most the time, the sound of the gun will scare them away. U have more rounds available, and its semi auto. Id prefer this over a wheel gun, but would rather have a ar10 in 308, or a 12 gauge shotgun with full power rifled slugs. Dont just rely on a pistol.
454 Casull pistol with a 360 gr hp as far as rifle a 416 or larger cartridge `too many stories of people emptying a 44 mag into a charging Grizzly with not much effect and others emptying a .338 into a charging Grizzly and still getting killed
I have one. I mentioned it in the video. It doesn't work with a bino harness. And requires a bino harness to be worn at all times if you want your handgun with you. No thanks
For a stroll in the woods, hunting with a typical shoulder slung bolt action, I would agree. But it's less than ideal when hunting with a modern AR slung in front of you, or while hunting/fishing from a boat. A few years ago I replaced my Kenai Chest holster with a Safariland ELS high rise hip holster. I'm usually in charge of launching the boat from shore. It's like climbing all the way over a chin up bar. And that's a lot more work with a chest rig hanging up on the bar.
Man, where's your adventure? we don't have Grizzlies here in Arizona, but we got plenty of mountain lines. we do have brown bears and black bears the cities are more dangerous especially now with all the illegals that robbing everybody
@@SawtoothWild you want to make a bet they come into my town once in awhile brown and black I live close to the mountains are 10,000 ft mountains and they all come from there and also the two-legged Bears too
I don't know how you carry yours, but when I carry my guns concealed, they're pointed all over my legs, especially while sitting down. If you trust it holstered inside your waistband, you should definitely trust it holstered in your hand out in the open. Unless you're a bad operator with bad self control 🥵
If you can’t get dropped off in the woods and tell me what direction you are looking. If you can’t build fire without a lighter or matches, if you can’t build a shelter with minimal tools and tell me how to purify water and how long you can go without food and water. You almost certainly don’t need a beer gun lol. Bear attacks are rare, getting lost or injured and dying of exposure not as much
You're talking to the wrong guy, man. I've been a part of Montana Search and Rescue. I've spent countless hours learning navigation and survival, building shelters, starting fires, catching fish and hunting game, I can make it on my own out there if need be. This video is 20 minutes long and specifically dives into a bear gun setup, I don't know why you think it needs to be 50 hours long and going into everything you just mentioned. Each one of those could be an entire video series in itself. And bear attacks are not rare, every older hunter I know where I live in Montana has had very close calls with bears. Where are you located? Downtown Atlanta? You might not make it out there, bud
You'd be amazed how many grizzlies have been killed with Glock 20s. Just last month, a guy killed a grizzly in self defense just 20 minutes from my work! What do you pack for grizzly defense when out hunting??
Around 2019, 10mm "Glocks" replaced "magnum revolvers" as the #1 choice for bear defense in bush Alaska. 10mm has the same ft lbs as 357 magnum. Coastal brown bears can kill you on impact, like a Ford Ranger doing 30mph, claws first. So fighting from underneath it is mute. You have 3 seconds from 50 yards to hit it in the brain or spine, or else you will be crawling for days before life flight can reach you. Mag dumping 357 magnum beats any 6-8 shot double action revolver for staying out of the hospital that's days away. So most folks with 44 magnums plan to upgrade to 10mm if they can ever find one for sale up here.
Do yourself a favor bro? Make sure you unload the gun before you stick it to your thigh. As you did in the video, Your glock twenty was loaded.Check the video.And you'll see what i'm talking about.
@@SawtoothWildRUclips commandos are a thing.Any professional knows your finger is your primary safety-which is controlled by the safety between your ears,but he isn’t wrong-all guns are loaded all the time,and yours was when it was pointed at your leg.Sure,in a holster-with the trigger guard covered..BTW,I’ve seen 2 SF guys shoot themselves drawing from those holsters,because you defeat the retention by pressing in on retention detent-which can put your finger on the trigger under stress.I’m sure you know what you’re doing,but thought I’d share what I’ve seen with those holsters.
I've heard of that happening. It's a risk I'm willing to take. The counter argument is you risk having your gun fall out of its holster at an undesired time; that'd be a risk that individual would be willing to take. Me pointing it at my leg while it's in a holster is no different than me appendix-carrying a loaded gun, which I do. It's always pointing at my body parts if I carry like that. But that's a risk I'm willing to take to have a gun comfortably on me and well-hidden.
@@SawtoothWildI would be more comfortable with a 12 gauge slug, but I guess 10mm is better than 9mm or 45. I wouldn’t stagger your loads. You need penetrating period. Stick with the hard casts, but hopefully you never need to use it.
The whole point of the video is a backcountry hunting/hiking situation and having a run in with a grizzly. Not sitting in camp by the truck with a shotgun. I don't know a single hunter who deer/elk hunts (bow/rifle) while also carrying a shotgun for bear defense..
Try deploying bear spray in a tent. Try deploying bear spray in 40 mph winds. Most people who carry are incompetent so it doesn’t matter if 50% of the time people fuck it up if I am proficient
Solid choice for a back country pistol. I regularly carry a model 20 myself in areas with potential for wildlife encounters. I would stick with the 200 hard cast. You're going to be shooting fast when in that bad of a situation, so any poor or missed shots will be immediately made up with more rounds being sent. But I can see your thought process. Love the idea of the lanyard. Most people won't be able to maintain control of their pistol if they get knocked down by an attacking animal. You have obviously put a lot of thought into this, which is more than most critics will do! Preparation will give you something the unprepared won't have...a chance! Good job, sir!
Thanks for watching my video!! I definitely put alot of thought into it. Not saying my setup works for all backcountrymen, but if I'm familiar enough with it, I will be able to utilize it to its furthest potential, and that's worth alot. Best of luck out there! 🙏
I agree with what you said I also live in MT in grizz country and I see a lot more mountain lions now and my go to gun is a glock 29 with the glock 20 mags and underwood 200 grain hardcast bullets when we are out working on fences or cutting firewood we also take a 12 gage with slugs close by but my glock never leaves my side great vid keep them coming and stay safe
Heck yeah man!! Kick ass, stay safe
The lanyard is great ,,,idea
A couple of comments: Very good explanation of the balance between muzzle velocity and projectile weight. I agree that neither a slow heavy bullet, or a fast but super lite bullet are good combinations. I have a G20 and a G29. I settled on the Underwood 200g hard cast over the heavier 220g. I carry the 10mm almost exclusively in Grizzly country (Idaho and Wyoming), but when in Black Bear only country I often carry a G17 (9mm) loaded with Underwood +P 147g hard cast. I get torn between the two. I love the greater terminal performance of the 10mm, but I can get shots downrange faster and more accurately with the 9mm. Here in Oregon Black Bear can reach 300+ lbs, but to be honest that is the exception and not the rule. The vast majority will weigh between 150-250 lbs. I feel the 9mm +P hard cast is adequate. But whatever I am carrying I ALWAYS bring along an extra magazine or two. You just never know...
Why only 2 extra mags?
Steve Rinella was in Alaska with 8 other guys and a coastal brown bear charged their lunch spot. Not one person had the time to grab a firearm. One guy hit the bear with a trekking pole. If you unknowingly wander near a bear's cache or get between a sow and her cub and you dont know it, for one reason or another, you will never get to anything in time, no matter where its located on your person. Your at the mercy of good luck or bad. Good luck with you 10mm, .44 mag or .454 Casull....
I've heard Remi tell that story on Joe Rogan's podcast. None of those guys even had their handguns on them, let alone any rifles. They were just sprawled around the ground eating lunch. That's why I made this video, because when I'm in camp and take the pack off, my gun gets clipped on my pants, not left on my pack like Remi's was. Most of those guys have bino harnesses that hold a handgun, but after a long day you just want to take all that crap off and let your body breathe a little. Something that clips onto my pants belt is so quick and easy to do
I’m a born again believer and I lput my trust in God. But he still wants us to use wisdom, so I’ll be picking up the g20 gen 5 soon. I moved to the bitterroot only 3 months ago.
King David trusted in God too, but he still picked up a sling and rocks.
God, Gods don't exist, never have and never will. Grow up and stop being a child. Religions cloud the mind with utter nonsense, religions destroy any and all critical thinking faculties, religions turn people into blathering idiots.
@@jfphotography69said the blathering idiot. Everyone is entitled to their own views. You have your beliefs and you’re welcome to it. You don’t, however, have a moral right to abuse others.
That is a great idea alternating or as some call it snack stacking the magazine. I carry hollow and fmj when I carry for concealed protection. It makes sense for bear attack scenarios as well. I carried a .45 up in Alaska last year visiting my son in the military. I carried the hardcast buffalo bore. He has a 10mm mdx. Great video.
Thanks for watching my video!! Going to Alaska is a DREAM of mine. But it's not like Montana doesn't have enough dangerous adventure to offer
So it would take 3-4 rounds of 10mm on average for a mountain lion? I don't know iam asking based on your statement
I think it’s a good choice. Ammo is critical. I use and like the Lanyard. Ditch the grip plug. As an Instructor it is hard to strip out a double fed magazine from the sides of the bottom plate under stress. Glock designed the cutaway in the rear grip area to finger/thumb grab and strip the magazine out. (All European magazines are not drop free) If you put a plug in it, you loose the grip front and rear of magazine. A chest rig is easier accessible if you fall or get knocked down . The Blackhawk Serpa Holsters have a history as one of the most accidental discharges on simply drawing of any plastic molded holsters. Because you use your trigger finger to depress as you draw, it sometimes slips into the trigger opening and possibly onto the trigger causing the unintended accidental discharge. The last thing you need is to accidentally shoot your own leg as you draw to fire on a charging Bear.
I like the Hard Cast bullet idea though. I would have stayed with a HP but understand the penetration is more important.
Thanks for watching my video!!
Great video, Montana looks beautiful!
It sure is! And treacherous at the same time lol. Where are you located?
@@SawtoothWild Kansas City Kansas, keep posting videos!
Been through your neck of the woods quite a few times. Really enjoyed the International House of Prayer church thing down there
Beautiful it is,,,dangerous it can be...respect it...
I met a Rancher from Essex said every fence repair day he encountered grizzley... another had 21 miles of fence and griz eating his calves...daily
Very good video, and a good thought process overall, from the lanyard to what comes out the end of the barrell..... not super crazy about a holster that has to be manipulated to use.... if thats what i am seeing.... but still, a great carry and a great way to carry it...
Thank you for watching!! I agree, I'm not super crazy about manipulating a holster to use, but in some of the crap I've crawled through, I'm even less crazy about losing my gun somewhere or having it come out of its holster and shoot me lol. So, it's kind of a necessary evil. Gotta weigh the pros and cons to both options, and pick which one is more important to me
Very nicely done….and good, well thought out presentation.
( and it looks like you might have woken up a few over at Glad Times Trailer Park and Rehab….they can be a bit touchy when the heat overwhelms the window air conditioner !! )
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I'm not sure what the second half of your comment means lol, but thanks for watching!
Great video ! What do you think about 40 for self defense in the woods? Maybe using a hard cast 200 grain?
Is .40S&W all you have?
One of the down Sides with a Semiauto is if you are knocked down, it doesn’t take much for that gun to get knocked out of Battery plus if that Bear is on top of you, you need a little bit of Clearance to Successfully fire it. Unlike a Revolver, you are able to Press the Barrel up Against the Bear and successfully pull the Trigger.
What about the gas leakage from the cylinder being a danger that close to you? Idk man. Seem like a bad deal all around. I'd rather have double the ammo
@@SawtoothWild I agree with you. Double the ammo.
I live in Alaska. My current defensive pistols are a Glock 29 10mm, a Glock 27 .40 S&W (for when I really need light weight), and a Ruger SP101 .357 (snow machine moose pistol - may need it for -20° F temps and don’t completely trust polymer at those temps). I have medium small hands, thus the smaller pistols. Buffalo Bore or Underwood with hard cast bullets is my choice for ammo. Yours looks like a good set up to me, except I’ve moved away from Serpa holsters, either the Gunfighters Inc. Kenai chest holster or Blade-Tech hip holster. I like the springy lanyard, I’ll have to look for one of them. Alaska State Troopers will write you up for any defensive bear kill further than 10 yards.
I'll have to do some testing with polymer at -20°F, haven't thought about that much. However, at least in Montana, those temps keep the bears in dens, not out endangering me. I do have the Gunfighters Inc Kenai chest holster but it doesn't work with my bino harness, so I have to have a different setup. The lanyard is frickin awesome!! Don't listen to anyone who doesn't have any experience with them. I've yet to hear about Montanan officials giving anyone any trouble for defensive shot distance. Best of luck 👊
Really good explanation. Ive been tossing around options and looking for advice from people who are really out there. Thanks for taking the time. Curious if you pursued the bear, or called it because of the cats? Knowing they could be stalking around would knaw at me.
I have the whole encounter on RUclips, it's the video titled "The Most Bears/Cougars I've Seen Yet!". I actually walked right up to where the cats were laying after they got up and walked into the trees, and I tried to find if they climbed up some trees there or went down to the creek or what. After not finding any of the four cats, I walked past that spot and went after the bear. I blew it out as soon as I crested over the ridge, never saw it again. Walking back in the pitch black right where I saw the cats earlier was a little hairy but I had no more run ins!
Great gun in the 10mm
Enjoyed your videos and you make some great recommendations. Just subbed keep up the hunt 😎
Thank you for watching my video!! Good luck out there 😁🙌💯
Hey nighbor im also here in the north west Montana,
I also carry my Glock 20 probably 6 years now ..
That lanyard awesome idea .
The bungie spring part is brilliant now i gotta have one ..
I also put a stream light TLR-8 LAZER light combo on it years ago absolutely
Amazing match up ..
Roaming around threw the woods hiking looking for fishing spots ..
I carry in hand my
Remington 12ga .
13 " barrel semi auto
Tac 13 .. loaded with 5 slugs super low Recoil
Absolutely fast shooter ..
So on the mtn lions
Man yeah buddy past few 4 years i been seeing them
Saw 2 togethe 3 others alone .
But wolves also
I dont want to name any places on here
But im sure you know .
How far out are you shooting your 10mm ?
We lay old steel tims on there side at
At 112 yards and and
Nail that rim oh man there all shot up .
Have yoh taken any game with the 10mm..
I took a few deer 🦌.
That Glock 20 is a serious weapon with my background i can tell people that dont much about them
There a absolute destroyer.. 15 tounds
In a mag . I have easly put 180gr . Sig hard cast rounds threw 8"
Trees clean threw ..
I tested that caliber on alot of stuff .
Old cars easly threw both sides of doors .
Ots one gun i feel very safe with the more i shoot it the more it impresses me .
I use to count how many rounds i shot but i lost count few first years at 1,400
To 1,600 .
In my Safari land holster every kinda of drill from drawing as you walk forwRd back
Side ways any type of movement that comes to mind practice .
Oh rolling basket ball 🏀 i had a foam one
I kick it up a hill and draw and shoot it as it rolled back ..
I switched out my stock sights with Truglow orange post
High Viz green on back workz great ..
Its great hearing others out here with same set up .
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Hey friend! Glad to hear to hear the Glock 20 is working out for you. If there is any change I'd make to my setup, it'd probably be to get a slide-mounted 1x red dot sight on it. Just makes target acquisition a little faster, but having electronics that you're depending your life on isn't always the most reassuring idea, so I haven't done it yet. Yes I've been seeing tons of wolves while I'm out deer and bear hunting, seems to be a constant now. I also have the weird fortune of seeing lots of lions, way more than the average Montana hunter lol. How are you holstering your Glock 20 with the TLR-8 on it?
The Underwood extreme defense in 10 mm with the Lehigh copper. Bullet or their Extreme Penetrator for the 4 legged problems.
Is that what you carry?
@@SawtoothWildI bought a glock 43x and guy had a mag loads with 8 extreme Penetrators and 2 hp on top and the other 2 EP in case so now I got black bear ammo here in foothills NC....
@timwhitney5288 You're set!
Underwood is good😊
Interesting video- a lanyard is not something I would necessarily use, but I understand your philosophy and you are used to managing it, so it makes sense for you in your environment, and how you use it. I am in the SW, and gave up on my Serpa after dust made the release draggy and gritty. I would imagine the same would happen to you with mud, dirt and snow. As others have mentioned, lots of bad ND history with Serpa... I went to a 5.11 Gear Thumbdrive that works really well, but is not made anymore. I now use a Safariland 6378 ALS with the addition of the Thumb Nub, and it is excellent.
Thanks for watching my video! I have heard all the horror stories with Serpa, and half of them are user error on the draw (avoidable with training). The other half is dirty and sticky holsters from failure to clean and maintain them. I figure if I'm great at keeping it dry and clean it would work fine, and over 5 years now it's worked flawlessly for me. My biggest threat here is snow buildup, but generally I'm not crawling on my chest in the snow lol. If I lived in AZ I would probably have something different, but you guys also don't have grizzlies there. So I'm not saying it's the perfect setup for everyone, but it's the perfect setup for me!
@@SawtoothWild For sure, and there is a ton of value in being used to, and comfortable with a system. I trust my 1990's Sigs, and can manage to hit the broad side of a barn with them, and they are far from the latest and greatest... Take care, and don't get chomped by any of those critters!
Gen 4, nice man. My favorite gen.
Thanks for watching my video, friend!
Wasn't there a hunter case not too long ago where a Montana hunter was killed by a Grizzly after he shot it twice with a powerful rifle? A Grizzly enraged is damn scary. Being out of reach is probably the safest plan. All of my encounters with bears were with bears who were not interested, or took my noisy presence as a good reason to vacate the area.
I have to say I am ok with hunting for food or survival or to take down a sick animal, or to control over population. I am not a fan of, and I am opposed to sport, or trophy hunting.
Right, and that's the thing too. If youre hunting legally (abiding by the seasons, with a legal tag, legal weapon, within legal daylight hours) then the biologists of that area have done the research and have okay'd the population in that area to be thinned out for various reasons. So, even if a person's goal was to "trophy hunt", as long as they're doing it legally, there really isn't an issue as far as environmental impact goes. In a way, all of us hunters who love this craft are "trophy hunters". There's just nothing quite as satisfying as a big juicy bear steak on your dinner table, that's a trophy to me, man!
TOTALLY AGREE, YES NOT FOR SPORT OR TROPHY.
I hear you brother
Still waiting for someone to market a portable flame thrower. It would have dual burners. One would be a pressurized propane gas flame which would point into and ignite the pressurized stream of flaming fluid. The pressurized propane flame could go on long after the flaming fluid has run out and be adjusted to 2-3ft in length for close combat with the bear if needed, but I doubt it would be as animals are programmed by their entire evolution to run from fire. Also, they don't understand fire and our apparent mastery of it adds to their fear of humans.
I've had recent ideas of developing one
Great vid, subbed. Where did you get the lanyard? Trying to decide between glock 29 or 20. Your opinion?
Thank you for the sub!! Really appreciate it. The lanyard was on ebay, from a small seller/brand called "N2 The Wild Lanyards". I had one break on me a few years ago after tons of use, and the seller sent me two more for free. Awesome product! Personally I went with the 20 over the 29 because it's a big caliber and hard enough to hold with a long grip, can't imagine with a short grip and having one finger hanging off the edge. If weight was really a concern, you can always just carry half a mag full (10rds or whatever the 29 can hold), or even put a 29 slide on a 20 frame for some weight reduction. Longer barrel would have more energy, and energy is important for a defensive weapon
Thanks for the advice, i’ll look him up. The glock20 sounds good also. Underwood has 155 gr fmj flat nose that puts out 775 pounds of kinetic energy. Also like the idea of stacking jhps every other round. Appreciate it.
Personally I don't remember Underwood having anything with that much muzzle energy but maybe they've come out with something new since I've last looked. At the time, DoubleTap was easier for me to get and they had a better selection. I ordered the 200 and 220gr stuff with at least 700ft/lbs of muzzle energy
Your caliber and ammo choices are very good, and you are a well thought out and researched person. I feel we are all being misled by "energy on the box" now a days. Energy doesn't correspond to field effectiveness except in a general sense. What matters to terminal effect is permanent tissue damage. The bigger, deeper and cleaner cut the hole, along with the more bones and organs destroyed is what is most effective. Not a "sonic wave of temporary stretch shock," especially from a handgun. In the "energy calculation" some math wizard "doubled" the effect of velocity in its calculation as if it would be better to quickly shove an 100 grain ice pick through a body at 1,000 fps than a 3" diameter 5lb spear at 200 fps. Guns & Ammo contributor Col. Craig Bottington wrote about this when he often tested out the new "wonder magnums" delivering thousands of pounds of on-paper energy ballistics to bears while watching them run off after being hit. He knew the good 'ol 45-70 would have anchored the bear much more effectively with far less energy, but a big heavy flat-faced bullet that hit like a freight train, and destroyed everything in its deep penetrating path. The only way to know which is better between the 200 grain and the 230 would be to test for penetration, and permanent cavity, then see if one is noticeably easier to shoot. However, both 10mm's would be very effective.
I agree with what you're saying. Ideally we'd test and compare every single bullet through our chosen carry gun in ballistics gel, and measure precisely how damaged the primary cavity is and how far subsequent branched cavities go. That's basically unattainable for 99% of Americans to be able to accurately find that information for themselves. Ideally, yes, that's what I should do for my chosen carry loads. Maybe I'm wrong, and the 180gr load would hurt a bear more than my chosen 200gr load, I don't know, I don't have a great way to test that. All I have is muzzle energy and vague bullet design to decide on. It could potentially be a decision that costs me my life, but at the same time, how much of my life do I want to waste just trying to figure out what bullet I should carry? Thanks for watching my video, friend!!
I run the glock 20 in a chest holster for back up. My 44 mags thru 500 mags in my chest holsters are not fast enough for me. I tend to osolate between 1 solid and 1 hp round on my edc .40 cal. but stay with solids on my glock 20 10 mm. 300 win mag threw 375 ultra mag for hunting. Are you aware of pointing your pistol at your leg. I have one friend with a prostetic leg , shot him self. I have another friends dad blew part of his arm off with 12 gauge pulling his shotgun out of the boat.
Yes, like I said in the video, that gun just doesn't ever come out of its holster. And if it ever does (to clean, or to make a video about it like I did here), it is NOT pointed at any of mine or anyone else's body parts. I'm very strict with that.
I live in Montana, and I carry a Glock 21 converted to a 460 Rowland. If you look at the 10 mm vs the 460 Rowland, the advantage of the 460 Rowland is overwhelming.
What's the total capacity with one in the chamber and full mag?
@@SawtoothWild I shoot Glock 20,40, 10mm and 21 converted to 460 Rowland. Capacity is 14 with the 460. 255 hard cast Underwood and 240 Hornady XTP Mag loaded and sold by Rowland are my choice for it.
Thanks for the thoughtful discussion. Which holster is that?
Blackhawk! Serpa CQC
I like the Lanyard. I'm loaded with the Underwood 200 HC. I do have boxes of the Double Tap, BB, and Grizzly that I haven't shot yet. Definately better piece of mind in the back country carrying all those rnds on the chest. Yea, the Glock isn't pretty, but mine runs flawlessly:)
Same here!! So far not one hiccup or jam or failure of any kind! Thanks for watching my video 💯 Safe hunting, Igor
20 is My secondary, My 45-70 is my Primary......Makes a lot of Bear rugs
You go bear hunting with a .45-70?
@@SawtoothWild not necessarily, those are but minimums within 200 yards(I might add, thats in the Bush), beyond 200,338, 06 max hardcastcartridge ....
Hold on, I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying. I'm a backcountry solo hunter generally, I simply can't carry a dedicated rifle for bear defense on top of my long range hunting rifle (that's sometimes strapped to my pack so I can use trekking poles). A handgun on my hip or pack is the only option I have at that point to defend against a bear.
@@SawtoothWild don't give up you're long gun, your pistol, whether on the hip or chest, what ever skill you've mastered on the draw, be safe
Alaska Bear / Trail pistol
Glock 20 in 10mm with 200/220 Hardcast
Glock 21 Custom in 45 Super / 250gr Hardcast.
You need a different holster though imo, those Serpa style holsters are loose fitting, and the disengage lever is not ideal.
So far I've had zero problems, so it's a win in my experience for what I do
Interesting video..!
As a long time NW MT resident I share your need for big critter protection.
I'm not too sure about your lanyard. I can see it getting wrapped up at inopertune times.
10mm is a capable caliber but is not my 1st choice.
Yeah it could definitely get wrapped up if the cord wasn't always pretty tight. So far not once has it wrapped up from hunting/hiking/packing game. I unclip it to take it inside the tent with me. And 10mm is one of the most energy dense calibers you can own these days, that an average person can shoot effectively. A .44 magnum is more powerful (per round) of course, but considering you only have 6 rounds potentially, it's less total energy in your hand than 16 rounds of 10mm. That's my train of thought
@@SawtoothWild
The 10mm is a good caliber in it's own right.
- The closest comparison to a stout 10mm is a standard loaded 357 Mag.
- There are lots of calibers that easily exceed the energy put out by the 10mm
- Capacity gives off a false sense of security.
- In reality, the odds of getting off more than 2 shots accurately at a charging bear is slim to none... With any type firearm.
- In your 4 mountain lion example, 1 or 2 shots would have put the leader down and the rest would be running for the hills.
- My carry choice is a short barrel 12ga pump with 2oz buck and ball loads (1 - 71 cal round ball on top of 8 - 31 cal 0 buckshot, lead cast hard with antimony and a pinch of copper to sweeten it for toughness) and a heavy loaded 45 Colt as back up.
It is an interesting discussion...
Yeah I disagree with almost everything you wrote here, based on my personal experience running around the mountains over the years. Since you want to talk about odds, the odds of you sending all 5 or 6 shots into vitals at a charging animal are slim to none. Higher capacity allows for sloppier shots which are almost guaranteed to happen. Bears have been documented to be killed by .22LR and 9mm, it's not always about high energy. And in my mountain lion example, you actually have no idea what a wild animal would or wouldn't do. All four lions theoretically COULD decide to attack, perhaps at different intervals, when your magazine capacity is dwindling. You just can't say killing "the leader" (whatever that means) would make the rest take off. The cats I personally ran into last year all looked the same size, I didn't know which one was a kitten or which one was the queen or tom or anything. I very well could've been taking out one kitten at a time while their mother was still out for blood. Your personal choice carry is all but practical especially for a solo backcountry bear hunt. Everyone is tough til they have to pack all this weight 10 miles up and down a mountain with an animal on their back!
@@SawtoothWild
Lol... Looks like I put a burr under your saddle.
How many years experience do you have?
I'll take my 14 years in Alaska and 45 years in the Northern Rockies... All Grizz country.
Have you ever been charged by a bear?
Have you ever fired a warning shot to chase a cat away? So far mine have all run.
We'll have to agree to disagree...
Have a nice day! :-)
I'd select a chest holster without buttons to press to draw the pistol because you might fumble with it or something else could go wrong and not get it out in time. Other than that your choice of the G20 in 10 mm is a good choice. Or a 357 mag revolver with 180 grain JSP would work too. Ammo should be whatever penetrates the most, usually plain old FMJ or specialty ammo if you prefer.
Montana looks pretty sweet 💪😎👍
IT'S FULL !!
Montana doesnt want anymore people moving here, you are destroying it!!!
Well said
People say carry a rifle. yes, that's a better option if you're not fishing or bow hunting or what ever, but I agree with you as far as why you carry a 16 shot semi auto 10 mm. As far as what someone said about the rope attached to the pistol. apparently they didn't watch all of your video. I agree , you do not want that fire arm to leave your body and who knows what might happen during a bear attack ? By the way its not a rope , it's an expandable lanyard. I think if your in camp walking around with that set up on your person is an insurance policy. That 10 mm on your person climbing up a tree to bow hunt is a good thing. Good job, I enjoyed this video. P.S. I have a gen 4 Glock 20 also, and I shoot underwood 200 grain hard cast and it has always went bang !
Thank you for your support and for watching my video! I agree with you. So many guys have been mauled IN CAMP when they let their guard down, or while packing a very big heavy rifle, but what good is it if your throat is in a bears mouth? The barrel is too long to even shoot a bear at that distance. So many people are so macho, thinking they'll be prepared and have their gun in their hands exactly when they would need to. I'm not claiming I have all the answers or that I will defeat a group of hungry grizzlies with my Glock; I'm just being realistic, trying to increase my changes of surviving more mauling scenarios so I can keep doing this mountain stuff we all love!
Great stuff
Thanks for watching, friend!! Stay safe
Great video
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Why not have alternating bullets in the magazine, each one with a different power profile and alternating shots?most likely you get off 2-4 shots on a charging sow.
Did you not watch the video?
@@SawtoothWild I did, must have missed that
10 mm magsafe +p+ and 220 grain hardcast staggered. balls of steel help too.
And douse the whole mag in Sriracha!
That 1.5 sec draw time ,,,,w. Sow griz outa nowhere...may be too slow...
@bentoncushing8693 What do you carry in grizz country?
What do you carry in grizz country?
Greetings from Bristol Bay Alaska. Every year we have to put down 1-5 browns where children play. Grizzlies are the smaller, inland variety of brown bears. We're on the coast, with a world class salmon run, so our browns are big and plentiful.
I'm with you on your choice of gun. I would take a 5+ inch 9mm loaded with +P+ hard cast over any magnum revolver. The rule of gunfighting an attacking brown charging from 50 yards is, you have 3 seconds to stay out of the hospital, so nothing but the brain or spine counts. The ability to take 4-5-6 follow up shots inside of that 3 seconds wins. I EDC a Glock 40 gen 4 (15+1, 6", 10mm) in the summer. The extra 50% barrel length gives me a couple hundred more ft lbs, and a little less felt recoil.
I dig the lanyard idea. There's zero chance of still holding a pistol of any size after getting hit squarely by a Ford Ranger doing 30mph, claws first. So the ideal choice when you "pull guard" on a bear is a backup snubby magnum revolver that's still in a chest holster. Your lanyard is a decent 2nd choice.
I'm not on board with the hollow points. The extra pain and suffering of expanding bullets are just going to make it worse for you. What doesn't kill it literally makes it stronger. You don't want to give the rage monster a bigger spike of adrenaline. It won't slow it down. Nothing but the brain or spine will stop it BEFORE it hits you doing 30mph. If you roll the bear with a shoulder shot, that means it shattered the shoulder. Except a hollow point will never make it deep enough with enough energy to do that. 220gr hard cast might. Might. 12 gauge slugs are the only thing that can do it every time. So again, nothing but the brain or spine will guarantee you won't have to crawl for days with critical injuries before life flight can reach you. I carry 31 rounds of 220gr Buffalo Bore hard cast. The reload is for clearing a malfunction, not for needing a 17th round.
Good for you on getting rid of the clip on holster attachment. Paddles and clip ons are trash in the field. But your holster choice is terrifying to me. The way the Serpa button lines up with the trigger, they are directly responsible for more negligent discharges than all other holsters combined. Most people who have shot themselves in the leg during the draw from the hip were caused by Serpas. Safariland ELS is just as secure, just as fast, and zero chance of inducing a negligent discharge.
If you upgrade the barrel, a 6" G40 barrel will give you more performance with Buffalo Bore hard cast than any 4" G20 barrel, and runs fine in the compact G20 slide. Then swap it back to the 4" for city slicking with hollow points.
Thank you for your opinions! You should put all this into a video and post it on your channel. I agree with alot of what you said of course, and you're only the 25th person I've heard from about Serpas being a bad choice because of statistics. However, the statistics don't show that the holsters fail, it shows that the users of them fail. That's like saying I shouldn't drive a Ford Mustang because statistics show they cause the most accidents. Sure, maybe, but if I'm a good driver/operator, those statistics don't apply to me. And again, I strongly disagree with your hollow point theory. I'd rather have something that dissipates it's full energy on a non-critical body part than lose almost all of the energy into the dirt with a small pencil hole it made. Regardless, thanks for watching my video and I look forward to watching yours!
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@@SawtoothWildcheck out safari land holsters. They make, what I think is, a very nice lvl 1 retention model that accepts a light as well. Also, Buffalo Bore SOLIDS are the only way to go.
Name of holster please?!
Blackawk! Serpa CQC
Do you carry a couple spare magazines?In the event you have a malfunction or need more ammunition?
Everyone should
I don't simply because I have never had a malfunction or failure of any kind with my Gen4 Glock 20. And also to save a little weight. Everything is a risk. One day, not having an extra mag might bite me in the butt, but packing that extra weight every single time I'm out is a GUARANTEED bite in the butt. If I REALLY wanted to preserve my life to the most extreme extent, I'd just stay home! 😂💯
@@SawtoothWild or,you could argue the extra weight of a spare mag and say a flashlight-carried on your support side would balance you out,and also provide a reload and some light-any professionally armed individual who carries a firearm is also required to carry spare mags-and there are hundreds of encounters(thousands actually)that reiterate why it’s important-so,instead of staying home,I’d say the minimal extra weight is worth its weight in gold.This all comes from a combat veteran and current State Police Investigator,who has seen the worst case scenarios too many times,so I might be jaded,but I can promise you-if you ever get into it-no one ever said I have too much ammo..
Yeah. But this is a solo backcountry hunting scenario were taking about. If I get into a shootout with a gang of grizzly bears, it just might be my time to go, you know? I can only carry so much. That philosophy is great until you consider: *well maybe I need more first aid*, *maybe I should have a backup water filter*, *an extra pair of socks never hurt anyone*, *I really should have a backup rifle because you never know*, *I might need a backup pair of binos in case I lose my primary one over a cliff*, *I should just carry a backup backpack in case my first one breaks a strap*, ON & ON. Sooner or later you just have to call it good, man. 15+1 is good for 99% of the shit I'll run into in the remote Rockies.
@@SawtoothWild true that.For your situation-you’re good.In a concealed carry situation-it could be different.
It's ok to have 2 guns ,I sure would along with back up mag
What if you already have 100lbs on your back?
You should have a pack animal.
No actually I don't think I should
I don’t get why you have that rope on the pistol it makes no sense
Well I don't know what else to tell you, it was explained in the video
Alaska Bear / Trail pistol
Glock 20 in 10mm with 200/220 Hardcast
Glock 21 Custom in 45 Super / 250gr Hardcast.
Who made the belt clip for the holster ?
Serpa made that belt clip. It's got angle adjustment too! Thanks for watching my video 🙏
Full power buffalo bore hardcast 10mm will absolutely put down a bear or mountain lion. And most the time, the sound of the gun will scare them away. U have more rounds available, and its semi auto. Id prefer this over a wheel gun, but would rather have a ar10 in 308, or a 12 gauge shotgun with full power rifled slugs. Dont just rely on a pistol.
Yeah but I'm talking about a hunting situation where I'm already packing a hunting rifle and 65+lbs on my back lol. I'm not carrying an extra shotgun
Struggling to find that belt clip. Can you send me the link?
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Maybe they don't make them anymore. Can't find it on Serpa site
@@SawtoothWild thank you!
454 Casull pistol with a 360 gr hp as far as rifle a 416 or larger cartridge `too many stories of people emptying a 44 mag into a charging Grizzly with not much effect and others emptying a .338 into a charging Grizzly and still getting killed
Plenty of stories of people emptying a .44 mag or .454 Casull and missing half or more shots because you only have like 5 damn shots. Not for me, man!
@@SawtoothWild I used to work for the DOJ ive seen guys take an entire clip of 9mm HP and keep coming makes no sense to use a small round
@user-gw2od7fj9b Rethink what you just said. Slowly.
You don't want hollow points for grizzly protection, you want hardcast to get full penetration
@@dereksteele2284 You didn't watch the whole video, clearly
Freedom Arms 6” - 475 Linebaugh w/420gr
Only 5 rounds? Yeahhh, that's not for me lol.
Alaskan chest rig... You won't regret it, especially if you are getting charged, or knocked down...
I have one. I mentioned it in the video. It doesn't work with a bino harness. And requires a bino harness to be worn at all times if you want your handgun with you. No thanks
For a stroll in the woods, hunting with a typical shoulder slung bolt action, I would agree. But it's less than ideal when hunting with a modern AR slung in front of you, or while hunting/fishing from a boat. A few years ago I replaced my Kenai Chest holster with a Safariland ELS high rise hip holster. I'm usually in charge of launching the boat from shore. It's like climbing all the way over a chin up bar. And that's a lot more work with a chest rig hanging up on the bar.
Muzzle?
What's your question?
Grizzly defense gun? I'm out of there. This small handgun? You nuts? No way! I want nothing to do with a bear or mountain lion. I'll stay in the city.
More wild game meat for me 😁
Cities are way more dangerous, they're usually full of de*****ts.
Man, where's your adventure? we don't have Grizzlies here in Arizona, but we got plenty of mountain lines. we do have brown bears and black bears the cities are more dangerous especially now with all the illegals that robbing everybody
Arizona doesn't have brown bears (aka grizzlies) but you're right about everything else
@@SawtoothWild you want to make a bet they come into my town once in awhile brown and black I live close to the mountains are 10,000 ft mountains and they all come from there and also the two-legged Bears too
The gun was loaded all the time? Safe this guy. Treat any gun as loaded is out the window.
So you definitely don't carry a gun concealed lmao
@@SawtoothWild but I don't point it to my leg on purpose. Or put my hand in front of the muzzle. And definitely I don't rest the muzzle on my leg.
I don't know how you carry yours, but when I carry my guns concealed, they're pointed all over my legs, especially while sitting down. If you trust it holstered inside your waistband, you should definitely trust it holstered in your hand out in the open. Unless you're a bad operator with bad self control 🥵
@@SawtoothWild you were not carrying. You were flagging yourself and pointing it to you thighs with your gun in your hand.
😂 So what? It's in a holster. And I didnt point it at anyone. My body my choice right? Don't be a pansy
Wake up my friend....
Start living, my friend
But, you drink pepsi.
Flavoring for the bears.
If you can’t get dropped off in the woods and tell me what direction you are looking. If you can’t build fire without a lighter or matches, if you can’t build a shelter with minimal tools and tell me how to purify water and how long you can go without food and water. You almost certainly don’t need a beer gun lol. Bear attacks are rare, getting lost or injured and dying of exposure not as much
You're talking to the wrong guy, man. I've been a part of Montana Search and Rescue. I've spent countless hours learning navigation and survival, building shelters, starting fires, catching fish and hunting game, I can make it on my own out there if need be. This video is 20 minutes long and specifically dives into a bear gun setup, I don't know why you think it needs to be 50 hours long and going into everything you just mentioned. Each one of those could be an entire video series in itself. And bear attacks are not rare, every older hunter I know where I live in Montana has had very close calls with bears. Where are you located? Downtown Atlanta? You might not make it out there, bud
@@SawtoothWild Congratulations. I meant it more generally. Sensitive little guy lol
@@zachz699shut up clown
Good luck with that " Glock " taking on a grizzly...eat some vegetables so when the bear eats you he'll get his veggie diet too...
You'd be amazed how many grizzlies have been killed with Glock 20s. Just last month, a guy killed a grizzly in self defense just 20 minutes from my work! What do you pack for grizzly defense when out hunting??
Around 2019, 10mm "Glocks" replaced "magnum revolvers" as the #1 choice for bear defense in bush Alaska. 10mm has the same ft lbs as 357 magnum. Coastal brown bears can kill you on impact, like a Ford Ranger doing 30mph, claws first. So fighting from underneath it is mute. You have 3 seconds from 50 yards to hit it in the brain or spine, or else you will be crawling for days before life flight can reach you. Mag dumping 357 magnum beats any 6-8 shot double action revolver for staying out of the hospital that's days away. So most folks with 44 magnums plan to upgrade to 10mm if they can ever find one for sale up here.
A ton of guides go with a 10MM. Smart man. That’s exactly what I’d run!
@@SawtoothWild 450 Casul...
@j.a.shepard1312 That doesn't exist.
Do yourself a favor bro? Make sure you unload the gun before you stick it to your thigh. As you did in the video, Your glock twenty was loaded.Check the video.And you'll see what i'm talking about.
While it was in the holster?
@@SawtoothWildRUclips commandos are a thing.Any professional knows your finger is your primary safety-which is controlled by the safety between your ears,but he isn’t wrong-all guns are loaded all the time,and yours was when it was pointed at your leg.Sure,in a holster-with the trigger guard covered..BTW,I’ve seen 2 SF guys shoot themselves drawing from those holsters,because you defeat the retention by pressing in on retention detent-which can put your finger on the trigger under stress.I’m sure you know what you’re doing,but thought I’d share what I’ve seen with those holsters.
I've heard of that happening. It's a risk I'm willing to take. The counter argument is you risk having your gun fall out of its holster at an undesired time; that'd be a risk that individual would be willing to take. Me pointing it at my leg while it's in a holster is no different than me appendix-carrying a loaded gun, which I do. It's always pointing at my body parts if I carry like that. But that's a risk I'm willing to take to have a gun comfortably on me and well-hidden.
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Thanks for watching my video!!
@@SawtoothWildI would be more comfortable with a 12 gauge slug, but I guess 10mm is better than 9mm or 45.
I wouldn’t stagger your loads. You need penetrating period. Stick with the hard casts, but hopefully you never need to use it.
The whole point of the video is a backcountry hunting/hiking situation and having a run in with a grizzly. Not sitting in camp by the truck with a shotgun. I don't know a single hunter who deer/elk hunts (bow/rifle) while also carrying a shotgun for bear defense..
@@SawtoothWild I’m just saying what I would do. I don’t hunt.
So your opinion has no value here 🤯
U are not toooo bright having traveled the mountains of Alaska your about to get eaten
Life's too short to waste it sitting in the house
Avoidances is the safest policy.
Guns stop bears 50% of the time.
Bear spray stops bears 92% of the time.
Guns stop bears 100% of the time if you hit vitals. Can't say the same for bear spray.
Bear spray won't necessarily stop a charging bear. What's your plan then? I'd say have both available if you're out hiking.
Try deploying bear spray in a tent. Try deploying bear spray in 40 mph winds. Most people who carry are incompetent so it doesn’t matter if 50% of the time people fuck it up if I am proficient
60% of the time, it works everytime. 💨 🐻
You pull that bear spray and wind comes up and shifts and next thing you just seasoned YOUSELF FOR THE BEAR .. 🔫