"She has watched you grow from a time when her notice of you was an honour . . . to this. Humbling her and laughing at her in front of people who would be guided by your treatment of her." I know people think he's scolding her in this scene, but it's the rest of the scene (not shown) where he puts things in perspective for her. A true gentleman fighting for the dignity of everyone in their circle.
Likely he also feels shame. He bestows his affection on those whom he deems worthy, and to realise he might have misdirected it calls into qusetion his powers of discernement. He is embarrased to find himself all of a sudden unsure.
Exactly! As he says later, he's showing his high regard for her by not sparing her his "most faithful counsel". In other words, when you truly care for someone, you don't mince words when you see them doing something wrong.
I have seen all of the other versions of Emma and this is still my favorite. This scene has so much more depth here than in the other takes. Brilliant performance of the actress that portrays Ms. Bates
The point is that Emma is popular and thus a "leader" of society, so if she treats Miss Bates in this way, other people will feel it's OK to do so. This is why she above all should be kind to Miss Bates, so that others will be too. But Emma clearly behaves like a bully here who thinks bullying is "fun" and that her fun in doing so weighs more than the hurt she causes to the person affected. In addition, Mr. Knightley is angry at Emma because he believes she let herself be influenced by Frank Churchill. He thinks Emma behaved in this way in order to impress Frank, and it's worse because he's also jealous of them. This is my favorite version of this scene because Sophie Thompson makes such good work of Miss Bates - the humility with which she reacts to the attack! The second best version I've probably seen of Miss Bates is perhaps Tamsin Greig in the BBC version (the one that's got Johnny Lee Miller in it).
@@azznnj I loved Miranda's Miss Bates, as well as Ms. Thompson's. Different, but equally good. You could feel how much Miss Bates sought Emma's approval in both, just in their own unique ways.
@@azznnj but i think that annoying people are only annoying until you snap and then you just feel really bad because they were only trying to be nice to you, know what i mean? :((
Everyone agrees of course but as Mr Knightley pointed out, she is of a pitiable state. She was born the daughter of a gentleman, a clergyman to be precise, but due to having no husbands and sadly no brothers apparently, she must live on a small amount left for her by her father which couldn’t be much back in those days. Sadly, women of this class only had the option of working as governesses or opening a girl’s school to make money.
This scene is so naturally played out in this movie - the fleeting emotions on each of the actresses/actors faces is brilliant. It's definitely my favourite adaptation, which surprises me because I really wasn't expecting much from Gwyneth Paltrow!
I keep hearing criticism for this scene, saying Knightly is patronizing and acting like a father, but that's just not what I'm seeing here. Knightly has less of a "righteous patriarchy" vibe and more of just plain desperation as he fights for Miss Bates to have a chance in this world. He knows that Emma holds social sway in this circle and that if she starts treating Miss Bates badly, everyone else will, and Miss Bates will loose all connections and prospects of an even semi-decent life. Knightly knows high society is savage and he gets the gravity of the situation--possibly because he's the ONE person in this story who refers to people of lower social statuses (ie Robert Martin) as his "good friends" and doesn't see them as projects. He talks about never hearing better sense from anyone than Robert (the farmer none of them even feel a need to speak with.) And because he takes the time to learn from people of less advantageous situations, not just "doing them a favor" by hanging out with them, he understands that it goes beyond a simple round of banter, and that a woman's life literally hangs in the balance here. He's the only one in the whole party who gets how serious this is, because he's done the most work in checking his privilege and seeing the poor as people.
Wonderfully played scene! And a perfect example of what it means to be a true friend. If the words hurt someone, then it’s right to say this in a respectful manner and right in the eyes, and not behind the eyes ...
Delicious comments 😊 I also enjoy how Emma pretends to defend herself and minimise the effect she has had, but she is dying because she knows she did wrong, and knew it as soon as she did it. The whole tale is one of a young woman getting above herself and heading for a fall. Such a happy ending to see her emerge as a more mature and understanding young woman.
Eye-wateringly brilliant performance by all the actors. A whole world of hurt and shame exposed in a moment. The ferocity beneath the veneer of English manners.
@@Roheryn100 you miss the point: the truth of ‘English’ ferocity in this case is in the way it is nuanced in the version of ‘good manners’ so particular to the British.
To me there is no better adaptation and no better Emma than Gwyneth Paltrow, which is the best performance of her career. Weird how she seemed more mature and centered at 23 as opposed to how eccentric she seems now.
I couldn’t agree more. Paltrow plays Emma EXACTLY how she’s written in the novel, and she’s the only person who’s played Emma Woodhouse who has done that. I couldn’t stand the 2020 film or the 2008 series. This is by far the best Austen adaptation
The line about Mrs. Bates is so much more subtle than in the 2020 version, I think. It makes the 2020 version more painful and heartbreaking, that I could barely witness it. And when Knightley yells at her afterword, here it feels more like scolding her, and is being yelled at what makes Emma cry? Vs in the 2020, it feels like Emma already knew what she had done and had such deep regret about it without having to be told. Of course someone had to say something to her. But in both versions I really like Knightley pointing out that this talk is received differently to the poor vs the rich. It would be ok to knock someone down a pedestal a bit if they have the privilege, but to do it to a poor woman is more like bullying. At first I was wondering if it was pretentious or condescending, but I think I understand after thinking on it a bit.
I’m not sure what you mean. Emma in the 90s version shows she regrets it as soon as she says it. You can see it all over her face. And in the 2020 version, Emma is too over the top cruel. In the 90s version it’s much more believable. Also Sophie Thompson is the best Ms. Bates. Her reaction is so heartbreaking and real.
I think based on Paltrows acting that Emma did know almost immediately later she did wrong but didn’t want to admit it out loud and wanted to pretend it wasn’t so bad
Sophie Thompson gives an utterly exquisite performance as Miss Bates. Juliet Stevenson is likewise brilliant and this is my favourite Gwyneth role (actually, the only role of hers I care for). This is a far superior version of Emma to any other I've seen (certainly in another stratosphere to the most recent and ghastly offering).
The 2020 version is superior to this dumpster fire. The emotions of the scene lie behind the surface and aren’t directly shoved in our faces. In this scene Emma seems callous and calculated while in the other movie the remark is an obvious blunder.
They do a better job of this scene in the mini series, when Knightley admonishes Emma it sounds more like someone who is bitterly disappointed in someone they hold in high regard. I(t doesn't come across as well in this movie and Emma's reaction to Knightley in the mini series is more of someone who knows they let someone they love down and can't bear themselves
I found Emma slightly irritating early on in the film, but when this scene came up and she insulted Miss Bates, I found it very hard to sympathize with her despite the fact she's the main protagonist. Obviously later on in the film she realizes that she was in the wrong in treating Miss Bates the way she did here.
This is the turning point of Emma. "Slightly irritating?" Try beautiful and poisonous, like a snake. But thanks to mr Knightley's word, that she cannot brush off because of his evident anger, she arrives to see herself in a true light and, behold, slowly working herself up to become a decent enough creature. Even the habit of manipulating and marrying off her fellow human beings is left behind!
I loved this scene, a good reflection of the English culture in Christendom, to have class and kindness to those with less fortune, to behave in a good manner, reflects Christendom before it was finally destroyed in WWI. The only issue here is it cut off too quickly, I liked the part always that he said to her after; "badly done", "she has watched you grow, and now to this? laughing at her in front of people who should be guided by your treatment of her" ... I can't remember word for word the entirety, it's been some years since I watched this Emma, we recorded it on VHS when I was a little girl. I loved watching it :)
@@YourMajesty143 Christendom ended in WWI and WWII was the final nail in the coffin, and I disagree with the first half of your sentence. Glad you clearly like Christian culture and witten works from Christendom, unless you are hate watching. Have a nice evening, bye.
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 - Don't forget works from Islamic, Pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, Secular cultures, etc. So yes, I like all kinds of culture, I don't like dogma. Thanks for recognizing the difference. Bye.
Sophie Thompson is fantastic here. Gwyneth Paltrow not so much. BBC did a 4 part version in 2010 I think and Romola Garai was brilliant as Emma. Gwyneth looks very stiff and uncomfortable in comparison IMO.
Probably the only comment I have seen that mirrors my feelings. I can't stand insipid, chatty people like Miss Bates, but.....Emma was wrong to insult her like that and in public. Mrs Elton deserved that rudeness more.
Emma misused her well-to-do position to talk down/judge an unmarried and therefore 'unprotected'/disconnected woman, that does her very best to keep up with society, a woman that tries hard to keep above waters, to keep the connections with friends that are willing to be of support to her, when she might be sick, of old age and possibly broke.
Well, Emma basically told Miss Bates that she says so MANY foolish things, that she would not be capable of limiting herself to only three in a parlor game. This was very unkind and hurt her to the core.
Emma takes advantage of a kind and good natured woman who is nonetheless a bit of bore, by calling her out and embarrassing her in company. Context is important here - Bates is in a socially disadvantaged position and Emma a much more fortunate one. In this respect, it would be considered the height of ill-manners and indecency to humiliate another. Basically, it’s similar to when you have an elderly member of the family who ‘does go on’ and thinks they’re really funny but in others respects is very sweet. You know they live on their own and struggle to get by. When they pop round for Christmas dinner and say “I bet I’m really boring” you are not supposed to say “Yes, you are” - everyone listens and smiles and puts up with it, but that’s the kindest thing to do. The whole scene acts as a rebuke to our current ideas about social discourse which encourage unrestrained speech in all respects - ‘say it like it is’. Here are we reminded of a gentler time when tact and thought governed what comes out of our mouths.
Aamina Younis emma said something pretty rude - after miss bates made a slight self-deprecating joke which everyone found amusing, emma insulted her by insinuating miss bates is even more dull than she claims. it’s not laughing with miss bates but at her, causing her to feel incredibly embarrassed and causing the others to feel uncomfortable. it was never really appropriate to insult others so blatantly in that time, but it’s made worse by the fact that miss bates is in a quite difficult financial situation, compared to emma being the lady of highest social and financial status in highbury. thus it has the added effect of emma seeming to needlessly insult a woman already below her in rank and situation when she should be sympathetic and kind towards her. knightley’s basically saying “pick on someone your own size rather than hurting someone down on their luck.”
I like the new Emma actress better - she seems to understand that her character is supposed to be a bit of a spoiled brat. Here, it's like Paltrow honestly believes Emma's just nice but misguided.
I rather prefer Emma to be basically nice, but misguided. I cannot warm to the latest Emma and Mr. Knightly in the new incarnation is just too young to be lecturing her.
The 2020 film is the latest adaptation of the Jane Austen novel, not a remake. I believe the 1996 film was the first filmed version released to theaters, but the BBC has put out at least 2 or 3 miniseries versions for television over the years.
Para mí la versión del 2020 es la mejor. Qué onda con el jaloneo en el min 3:04? Eso es poco caballeroso, ni aún que fuera su esposa, no merecía ser tratada así. En la versión del 2020 Mr. Knightley es más caballeroso pero firme en corregir a Emma. Miranda Hart es por mucho la mejor señorita Bates, de todas las versiones.
Seriously, the way Americans speak is far more akin to Standard English than the vast majority of English spoken by English people. American English is just another accent, with a smattering of easily understood dialectal words. Give them a break!
It was NOT Emma`s fault; it was the fault of Frank Churchill (played by Ewan McGregor), because it was HIM who THOUGHT UP the game. It was ALSO the fault of the woman at 01:26 for THINKING of three dull things, as THIS would`ve triggered Emma to agree. SO BOTH of these OTHER people were the ones at fault and NOT Emma! SO there was NO NEED to give a telling off! I would`ve chosen ONE very witty thing, as I do NOT say nasty things to other people, and I believe in COMPLIMENTS! i ALSO know SO MANY jokes that I would`ve chosen one of them to make her happy! You see, once I tell ONE joke, it leads to ANOTHER! I experienced something VERY SIMILAR during my childhood: when my mum saw me at an event at school, she RUDELY told me that she could hear my voice above everyone else`s, which REALLY UPSET me, because she`s SUPPOSED to CONGRATULATE me for joining in! You see, I do NOT get self-conscious, and I can EASILY make my voice heard above everyone else`s! You see, WHENEVER my mum tried to support me by coming to events at school, I treated her AGGRESSIVELY because I DIDN`T want her to be there! IN FACT, she was SO RUDE to me and NEVER complimented me that I told her to KEEP OUT OF MY WAY! You see, I DIDN`T want her to be at the particular event at school and I told her that IF I WANT help, I`ll ASK for it! This ALSO goes to show WHY I do NOT let her see me doing performances on karaoke or to accompany me to my local theme park! It ALSO goes to show WHY I DON`T keep in touch with her any more! Her behaviour was VERY RUDE! You see, it REALLY ANNOYS me when people FAIL to compliment me!
I cant take miss Bates seriously knowing shes the really bloody annoying married sister from the 1995 version of Persuasion. Wonder why she always plays silly women? Is the rest of this film just as bad?
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"She has watched you grow from a time when her notice of you was an honour . . . to this. Humbling her and laughing at her in front of people who would be guided by your treatment of her."
I know people think he's scolding her in this scene, but it's the rest of the scene (not shown) where he puts things in perspective for her. A true gentleman fighting for the dignity of everyone in their circle.
He is scolding her. What's wrong with that? She needed to be told and a good friend would do that.
He loves her, that's why he corrected her. It pained him to see her behave so cruelly to someone less fortunate than herself.
Likely he also feels shame. He bestows his affection on those whom he deems worthy, and to realise he might have misdirected it calls into qusetion his powers of discernement. He is embarrased to find himself all of a sudden unsure.
This is my favorite scene in the whole movie. His passionate correction of her thoughtless behavior reveals how deeply invested he is in her.
Exactly! As he says later, he's showing his high regard for her by not sparing her his "most faithful counsel". In other words, when you truly care for someone, you don't mince words when you see them doing something wrong.
@@tarijordan8922 I love the way they talk.abd she was a total cruel bitch in this..
Such an amazing performance by Sophie Thompson. My heart broke for her in this scene.
I felt so sorry for Miss Bates here. Sophie Thompson gives such a good performance
What a great scene. The actress who played Miss Bates was perfect. That moment when she realizes what Emma has said.
the only actor that played her part well...the rest, meh.
Sophie Thompson, a wonderful actress indeed❣️
I have seen all of the other versions of Emma and this is still my favorite. This scene has so much more depth here than in the other takes. Brilliant performance of the actress that portrays Ms. Bates
The point is that Emma is popular and thus a "leader" of society, so if she treats Miss Bates in this way, other people will feel it's OK to do so. This is why she above all should be kind to Miss Bates, so that others will be too. But Emma clearly behaves like a bully here who thinks bullying is "fun" and that her fun in doing so weighs more than the hurt she causes to the person affected.
In addition, Mr. Knightley is angry at Emma because he believes she let herself be influenced by Frank Churchill. He thinks Emma behaved in this way in order to impress Frank, and it's worse because he's also jealous of them.
This is my favorite version of this scene because Sophie Thompson makes such good work of Miss Bates - the humility with which she reacts to the attack! The second best version I've probably seen of Miss Bates is perhaps Tamsin Greig in the BBC version (the one that's got Johnny Lee Miller in it).
Miss bates was a harmless and kind and good hearted person and miss not once said anything negative about Emma and miss bates didn't deserve that.
and they remade the 2020 version of her with a goal to make her very annoying basing on the actress casted and actings.
@@azznnj I loved Miranda's Miss Bates, as well as Ms. Thompson's. Different, but equally good. You could feel how much Miss Bates sought Emma's approval in both, just in their own unique ways.
@@azznnj but i think that annoying people are only annoying until you snap and then you just feel really bad because they were only trying to be nice to you, know what i mean? :((
Everyone agrees of course but as Mr Knightley pointed out, she is of a pitiable state. She was born the daughter of a gentleman, a clergyman to be precise, but due to having no husbands and sadly no brothers apparently, she must live on a small amount left for her by her father which couldn’t be much back in those days. Sadly, women of this class only had the option of working as governesses or opening a girl’s school to make money.
This scene is so naturally played out in this movie - the fleeting emotions on each of the actresses/actors faces is brilliant. It's definitely my favourite adaptation, which surprises me because I really wasn't expecting much from Gwyneth Paltrow!
I keep hearing criticism for this scene, saying Knightly is patronizing and acting like a father, but that's just not what I'm seeing here.
Knightly has less of a "righteous patriarchy" vibe and more of just plain desperation as he fights for Miss Bates to have a chance in this world. He knows that Emma holds social sway in this circle and that if she starts treating Miss Bates badly, everyone else will, and Miss Bates will loose all connections and prospects of an even semi-decent life.
Knightly knows high society is savage and he gets the gravity of the situation--possibly because he's the ONE person in this story who refers to people of lower social statuses (ie Robert Martin) as his "good friends" and doesn't see them as projects. He talks about never hearing better sense from anyone than Robert (the farmer none of them even feel a need to speak with.) And because he takes the time to learn from people of less advantageous situations, not just "doing them a favor" by hanging out with them, he understands that it goes beyond a simple round of banter, and that a woman's life literally hangs in the balance here. He's the only one in the whole party who gets how serious this is, because he's done the most work in checking his privilege and seeing the poor as people.
Totally agree.
Excellently put!
@@nerudaad Thank you. :)
Emma is acting like a spoiled brat. She needs someone to talk to her like Knightly does so she can recognize her childish behaviour and learn from it.
Well said!
Poor Miss Bates, I just wanted to cry 💔😢😢😢. She looked so sad after Emma’s insult.
This scene always touches me. Heartbreaking. Phenomenal performances
Wonderfully played scene! And a perfect example of what it means to be a true friend. If the words hurt someone, then it’s right to say this in a respectful manner and right in the eyes, and not behind the eyes ...
Powerful scene. Too bad it was cut short. The lines that follow give it even more depth.
Delicious comments 😊 I also enjoy how Emma pretends to defend herself and minimise the effect she has had, but she is dying because she knows she did wrong, and knew it as soon as she did it. The whole tale is one of a young woman getting above herself and heading for a fall. Such a happy ending to see her emerge as a more mature and understanding young woman.
Brilliant. I’ve always been so moved by this portrayal.
Eye-wateringly brilliant performance by all the actors. A whole world of hurt and shame exposed in a moment. The ferocity beneath the veneer of English manners.
There is ferocity everywhere ; don't think it is a phenomenon limited to the English.
@@Roheryn100 you miss the point: the truth of ‘English’ ferocity in this case is in the way it is nuanced in the version of ‘good manners’ so particular to the British.
@@jamesmurphy1389 Oh, I think every nation has it's own brand of nuanced ferocity hiding under manners. Nothing particularly unique to the English....
@@Roheryn100 You’ve checked them all I trust? 😂
@@jamesmurphy1389 LOL You can go pick a fight as well with Nenethegrear, above, who also thinks the Germans have their own brand....
Emma 100% deserved that dressing-down.
To me there is no better adaptation and no better Emma than Gwyneth Paltrow, which is the best performance of her career. Weird how she seemed more mature and centered at 23 as opposed to how eccentric she seems now.
She's ACTING
I couldn’t agree more. Paltrow plays Emma EXACTLY how she’s written in the novel, and she’s the only person who’s played Emma Woodhouse who has done that. I couldn’t stand the 2020 film or the 2008 series. This is by far the best Austen adaptation
3:19 the way he looks at her omg
The sweetest miss Bates
The 1994 version is the one we grew up watching, and the ending of it makes me emotional now. I love the acting in that film!
This scene always makes me cry 😢
First time watching this movie. New favourite scene!!!!
Love this movie. This is my favorite jane Austen novel. And even though the lead character is not English but she did a good job.
The character, Emma Woodhouse, is most definitely British. The actress, Gwyneth Paltrow, is American.
@@lizardas Le sigh.
😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 This scene is such a heartbreak !!
The line about Mrs. Bates is so much more subtle than in the 2020 version, I think. It makes the 2020 version more painful and heartbreaking, that I could barely witness it.
And when Knightley yells at her afterword, here it feels more like scolding her, and is being yelled at what makes Emma cry? Vs in the 2020, it feels like Emma already knew what she had done and had such deep regret about it without having to be told. Of course someone had to say something to her.
But in both versions I really like Knightley pointing out that this talk is received differently to the poor vs the rich. It would be ok to knock someone down a pedestal a bit if they have the privilege, but to do it to a poor woman is more like bullying. At first I was wondering if it was pretentious or condescending, but I think I understand after thinking on it a bit.
what this is more heartbreaking.... miss bates in 2020 is the person i wanna hang out with xD
I’m not sure what you mean. Emma in the 90s version shows she regrets it as soon as she says it. You can see it all over her face. And in the 2020 version, Emma is too over the top cruel. In the 90s version it’s much more believable.
Also Sophie Thompson is the best Ms. Bates. Her reaction is so heartbreaking and real.
I think based on Paltrows acting that Emma did know almost immediately later she did wrong but didn’t want to admit it out loud and wanted to pretend it wasn’t so bad
This scene makes me cry every time. Why is that?
This scene is heartbreaking for all concerned
Sadly, we can all say things better left unsaid-and our regret at our stupidity can linger a lifetime.,
Mis Bates breaks my heart...😢
Sophie Thompson gives an utterly exquisite performance as Miss Bates. Juliet Stevenson is likewise brilliant and this is my favourite Gwyneth role (actually, the only role of hers I care for).
This is a far superior version of Emma to any other I've seen (certainly in another stratosphere to the most recent and ghastly offering).
The 2020 version is superior to this dumpster fire. The emotions of the scene lie behind the surface and aren’t directly shoved in our faces. In this scene Emma seems callous and calculated while in the other movie the remark is an obvious blunder.
@@noemi9820 hahahaha!
this scene gives me anxiety i want to give miss bates a hug
They do a better job of this scene in the mini series, when Knightley admonishes Emma it sounds more like someone who is bitterly disappointed in someone they hold in high regard. I(t doesn't come across as well in this movie and Emma's reaction to Knightley in the mini series is more of someone who knows they let someone they love down and can't bear themselves
I thought both were excellent.
I found Emma slightly irritating early on in the film, but when this scene came up and she insulted Miss Bates, I found it very hard to sympathize with her despite the fact she's the main protagonist. Obviously later on in the film she realizes that she was in the wrong in treating Miss Bates the way she did here.
that was the point
jane austen wrote emma to not be likeable
This is the turning point of Emma. "Slightly irritating?" Try beautiful and poisonous, like a snake. But thanks to mr Knightley's word, that she cannot brush off because of his evident anger, she arrives to see herself in a true light and, behold, slowly working herself up to become a decent enough creature. Even the habit of manipulating and marrying off her fellow human beings is left behind!
I loved this scene, a good reflection of the English culture in Christendom, to have class and kindness to those with less fortune, to behave in a good manner, reflects Christendom before it was finally destroyed in WWI. The only issue here is it cut off too quickly, I liked the part always that he said to her after; "badly done", "she has watched you grow, and now to this? laughing at her in front of people who should be guided by your treatment of her" ... I can't remember word for word the entirety, it's been some years since I watched this Emma, we recorded it on VHS when I was a little girl. I loved watching it :)
Christendom wasn't destroyed by the inquisition, crusades and the conquistadors then. good to know.
@@argieav Of course not, and you're welcome :)
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 - Oh if only it were, along with other fantastical faiths.
@@YourMajesty143 Christendom ended in WWI and WWII was the final nail in the coffin, and I disagree with the first half of your sentence. Glad you clearly like Christian culture and witten works from Christendom, unless you are hate watching. Have a nice evening, bye.
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 - Don't forget works from Islamic, Pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, Secular cultures, etc. So yes, I like all kinds of culture, I don't like dogma. Thanks for recognizing the difference. Bye.
Just Imagine...Emma meeting Elizabeth Bennet....
that moment when you realize there's an actual person behind that avatar you're trashing on the Internet...
Although i find EMMA 2020 better with this scene i really liked this Miss Bates as well!
Sophie Thompson is fantastic here. Gwyneth Paltrow not so much. BBC did a 4 part version in 2010 I think and Romola Garai was brilliant as Emma. Gwyneth looks very stiff and uncomfortable in comparison IMO.
I know she was rude and heartless, but Ms. Bates gets in my last nerve. 😂 she is so, so, so … still, it was cruel.
Probably the only comment I have seen that mirrors my feelings. I can't stand insipid, chatty people like Miss Bates, but.....Emma was wrong to insult her like that and in public. Mrs Elton deserved that rudeness more.
2:18 bombtastic side-eye 👀
,, Por qué Emma no lo bajan en su titulado en castellano siempre lo he visto en castellano ahora está en inglés por qué hacen eso😢😢😢😢
I love this movie, with the exception of the casting of Toni Collette. She looks like she's 101 in this movie, not a fresh young deb.
No kidding! Harriet is supposed to be 17!
I thought she was adorable as Harriet !
FanOF THE ALMIGHTY GOD Jeez Louise! That accelerated fast!
No she doesn't- yes, she looks older than the character is supposed to be in the book, but she looks like a young woman. She's lovely as harriet.
brilliant english accent gwen
2020 really did this better
Can someone explain to me what she said that was offensive??
Emma misused her well-to-do position to talk down/judge an unmarried and therefore 'unprotected'/disconnected woman, that does her very best to keep up with society, a woman that tries hard to keep above waters, to keep the connections with friends that are willing to be of support to her, when she might be sick, of old age and possibly broke.
Well, Emma basically told Miss Bates that she says so MANY foolish things, that she would not be capable of limiting herself to only three in a parlor game. This was very unkind and hurt her to the core.
Emma takes advantage of a kind and good natured woman who is nonetheless a bit of bore, by calling her out and embarrassing her in company. Context is important here - Bates is in a socially disadvantaged position and Emma a much more fortunate one. In this respect, it would be considered the height of ill-manners and indecency to humiliate another.
Basically, it’s similar to when you have an elderly member of the family who ‘does go on’ and thinks they’re really funny but in others respects is very sweet. You know they live on their own and struggle to get by. When they pop round for Christmas dinner and say “I bet I’m really boring” you are not supposed to say “Yes, you are” - everyone listens and smiles and puts up with it, but that’s the kindest thing to do.
The whole scene acts as a rebuke to our current ideas about social discourse which encourage unrestrained speech in all respects - ‘say it like it is’. Here are we reminded of a gentler time when tact and thought governed what comes out of our mouths.
Aamina Younis emma said something pretty rude - after miss bates made a slight self-deprecating joke which everyone found amusing, emma insulted her by insinuating miss bates is even more dull than she claims. it’s not laughing with miss bates but at her, causing her to feel incredibly embarrassed and causing the others to feel uncomfortable. it was never really appropriate to insult others so blatantly in that time, but it’s made worse by the fact that miss bates is in a quite difficult financial situation, compared to emma being the lady of highest social and financial status in highbury. thus it has the added effect of emma seeming to needlessly insult a woman already below her in rank and situation when she should be sympathetic and kind towards her. knightley’s basically saying “pick on someone your own size rather than hurting someone down on their luck.”
I don't understand the rules of that game.
2:24 onwards is my favourite scene
Sophie Thompson is(for me) the best Miss Bates ever👏👏👏👏
Who’s watching this after seeing the new one? I dare say that this overall scene is much better in this version though
I have not seen the newest version but I can't imagine this scene could be done any better. Paltrow nails it.
Rosie M Agreed! This scene in the new version lacked the emotion. You can feel Miss Bates pain in this one.
I like the new Emma actress better - she seems to understand that her character is supposed to be a bit of a spoiled brat. Here, it's like Paltrow honestly believes Emma's just nice but misguided.
I rather prefer Emma to be basically nice, but misguided. I cannot warm to the latest Emma and Mr. Knightly in the new incarnation is just too young to be lecturing her.
@@sdoherty5988 What do you mean by too young? He's 37, the exact age as Mr. Knightley.
I love you Gwyneth Paltrow
She is very good in this movie.
Yo quiero que más salga en castellano lo que antes salía normal Por qué tuvieron que ponerlo en inglés porque son tan molestosos😭😭😡😡
So the Emma movie which is played by Anya Taylor is basically a REMAKE?
The 2020 film is the latest adaptation of the Jane Austen novel, not a remake. I believe the 1996 film was the first filmed version released to theaters, but the BBC has put out at least 2 or 3 miniseries versions for television over the years.
Para mí la versión del 2020 es la mejor. Qué onda con el jaloneo en el min 3:04? Eso es poco caballeroso, ni aún que fuera su esposa, no merecía ser tratada así. En la versión del 2020 Mr. Knightley es más caballeroso pero firme en corregir a Emma. Miranda Hart es por mucho la mejor señorita Bates, de todas las versiones.
the Anya Taylor Joy scene is much more subtle, better written and better played.
Lol
why do producers hire these sad hollywood actors for these amazing period scripts/movies....what a disaster.
It’s great to hear proper English spoken! Please note you American friends!
Lol stfu
Seriously, the way Americans speak is far more akin to Standard English than the vast majority of English spoken by English people. American English is just another accent, with a smattering of easily understood dialectal words. Give them a break!
Agree , but not the actress playing Emma, way overdone!!
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Oh Please, majority of Brits don't even speak like that.
It was NOT Emma`s fault; it was the fault of Frank Churchill (played by Ewan McGregor), because it was HIM who THOUGHT UP the game.
It was ALSO the fault of the woman at 01:26 for THINKING of three dull things, as THIS would`ve triggered Emma to agree.
SO BOTH of these OTHER people were the ones at fault and NOT Emma! SO there was NO NEED to give a telling off!
I would`ve chosen ONE very witty thing, as I do NOT say nasty things to other people, and I believe in COMPLIMENTS! i ALSO know SO MANY jokes that I would`ve chosen one of them to make her happy! You see, once I tell ONE joke, it leads to ANOTHER!
I experienced something VERY SIMILAR during my childhood: when my mum saw me at an event at school, she RUDELY told me that she could hear my voice above everyone else`s, which REALLY UPSET me, because she`s SUPPOSED to CONGRATULATE me for joining in! You see, I do NOT get self-conscious, and I can EASILY make my voice heard above everyone else`s! You see, WHENEVER my mum tried to support me by coming to events at school, I treated her AGGRESSIVELY because I DIDN`T want her to be there! IN FACT, she was SO RUDE to me and NEVER complimented me that I told her to KEEP OUT OF MY WAY!
You see, I DIDN`T want her to be at the particular event at school and I told her that IF I WANT help, I`ll ASK for it!
This ALSO goes to show WHY I do NOT let her see me doing performances on karaoke or to accompany me to my local theme park! It ALSO goes to show WHY I DON`T keep in touch with her any more! Her behaviour was VERY RUDE!
You see, it REALLY ANNOYS me when people FAIL to compliment me!
I cant take miss Bates seriously knowing shes the really bloody annoying married sister from the 1995 version of Persuasion. Wonder why she always plays silly women? Is the rest of this film just as bad?
Badly done Emma. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙈🙈🙈🙈 Yes u tell her off
I love you Gwyneth Paltrow