Big E: "I'm not a god!" Also Big E: Makes him self look dozens of feet tall, radiates golden light, wears golden armor and has a personal guard of unmatched golden clad warriors, calls himself the Emperor of Mankind, calls his conquest of the galaxy a crusade...
Lorgar really is the most tragic of the Primarch. A son damned because he loved his father too much. The child shunned by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
@@Birds_A_Killa_Now Oh boohoo. You got angry wires shoved in your noggin and your gladiator buddies died. That sucks, but it's nothing compared to your god, who is also your dad, rejecting everything you ever did and punishing you for loving him more than any of his other kids.
@@GreasusGoldtooth not sure, at least you have a chance to bounce back from it if you want, having a bad father isn't the ultimate tragedy plenty of people survive it just fine, however ; having your brain fucked up to the point where you can only feel permanent berserker rage, and made to conquer worlds you don't care about as your only role in life, that would drive anyone nuts
@@treznorify? Angron couldn't have them removed and didn't get the full benefit of them.also, let's face it, unlike with Mortarion; big E earned Angrons hatred. To be clear, unlike the other gladiators, the way they were attached and the damage done while doing it was going to be a death sentence. The other World Eaters maybe could have (at least the non-psychers). But Kharn destroyed that chance, and from my understanding, it's heavily implied the nails did it to stop themselves from being removed.
Loregar is like the traitor's Roubute Guilliman. His power isn't in the battle map but the campaign map. To be so effective at recruiting followers, and ensuring their loyalty is nothing to scoff at. It can even be argued he did the most damage to the emperor by indirectly turning the imperium into a theocracy.
My headcanon is that Lorgar is meditating in order to scry possible futures and subtely cutting himself from the Chaos Gods (still chaos though), only to enact a vindication/suicide campaign that would lead to the Emperor's ascencion to godhood.
My head canon is that Lorgar realized that Chaos wants to just kill people and Lorgar is trying to convince them to be good gods. Hence why no one has seen him since that one battle with Corax.
I remember seeing a 40k theories iceberg with "Lorgar regrets betraying his father and has slowly been going mad with guilt locked away in his tower for the past 10,000 years" and while I quite like his moral outlook on the setting as we currently understand it, that would be one of the most insane twists they could possibly pull off.
As to how he is feeling now, he said that line after he had become a demon, “I’m more sure now than ever before that I was right, the emperor is a god”, or something like that, and he also notes gods can make mistakes, but leaves the thought lingering. I wonder if he wishes he could worship the emp now that the emp seems to have fully embraced lorgars origins vision.
Story-wise, this was one of my favorite moments from the Heresy. No joke. _The First Heretic_ really made me love ADB's writing, and this definitly was one of its strongest moments. 😎
It's likely Lorgar has come to a similar conclusion as Archaon; The flaw with Chaos is the Chaos Gods themselves, and thus they must be overcome and a REAL god put in their place.
The First Heretic was my first Horus Heresy book and hadn't Aaron Dembski Bowden sold me on his writing skills with the Night Lords Trilogy already, this book certainly would have.
@@stonepedal768ADB is only good at writing a chaos perspective. Loyalist perspective?....yeah not so much. We know how Master of Mankind turned out to be turning the Big E into an idiot
I used to love ADB's writing but all his Chaos Astartes "heroes" (Talos, Argel Tal, Kharn etc) are virtually identical characters. All have the same "noble, forced into being a bad guy but still a good guy" thing going on whete they genuinely blend into the same guy wearing different armour.
@@actional2943 Maybe in the beginning they are like that. By the end of their character arc they have often times become evil incarnate. Especially Kharn.
A video about how things would play out of Lorgar began to worship non Chaos gods would be fun. Surviving Eldar deities, minor warp powers, a C'tan Shard, the Machine God...
In 40k lore it is explained that any human religion was always subtle ways of Chaos whorship in a different form. Lothar starting to pray to clear deities would be fun tho agreed.
@@PuddingXXL so tribal people worshiped nurgle due to them worshiping gods of nature, asia worship gods of intellect and philosophy empowering tzneech , Greece and north worshiped korn by their war gods and god of honor n shit and modern relegion worship slanesh by worshiping gods that promote self loveing and amplified emotions of love care peace happiness that makes one self feel good when followed
Roboutian Heresy Lorgar was quite based as he strongly oppose the totally not Chaos worship on his homeworld, overthrew Kor Phaeron and led his Legion to be heralds of the Imperial Truth. Even though the Imperial Truth was eventually abandoned in favor of worshipping Big E, the Roboutian Heresy Word Bearers still follow it and get away with it because of their Legion-sized strength and no one is foolish enough to try antagonize them without consequences.
Honestly Roboutian heresy is such a good reimagining, so interesting to read how the loyalists fell and the traitors remained loyal in comparison to the canon.
Word Bearers also help in the Imperial Cult not being total a--holes. As is very clear the sons of Lorgar are always looking for an excuse to kill them. Just as it was beatifully demostrated during the Age of Apostosy. God i love the Roboutian Heresy. I cant wait to see what Zahariel pulls up next chapter
@@mitchmitting102 I love it because the RH Loyalist aren't necesarilly the same characters they were in canon, they are the best versions of themselves, what they could have been.
@@juliane.mfarias9285 Yeah, the reverse kinda thing where all the loyalists had shit go down in their childhoods while the traitors had things end well for them
@@mitchmitting102it’s my favorite alternate heresy, not only for the lore and how each legion fell, but also because it’s ongoing and stuff has gone crazy. So good
Still waiting for the video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guilliman's situation as imperial regent of the imperium. Seeing how each would rule or destroy the current day empire would be really interesting
I think the deal was he offered Chaos the whole of humanity in exchange for his powers and the help with primarch project but rather than lead humanity into Chaos worship he spread the Imperial Truth and tried to suppress humanity’s psychic potential. Hence why Chaos made sure that Lorgar was sent to Colchis.
Said it before, and it bears repeating: Lorgar and the Word Bearer's entire existence is the best possible argument against the phrase "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be". And, less commonly; "A thing being terrible has never made it untrue. But a thing being true does not make it desirable, necessary, or right."
"Meditated" in his tower? Is that a euphemism for Lorgar hiding under his covers with all the lights on, while Corax wanders around outside the window creepily saying "Lorgar, time to come out and play."?
I like to think Corvus waits till Lorgar finally has to fall asleep before sneaking in and putting up a cardboard cutout of himself somewhere In the tower to give Lorgar a heart attack
Like what if the emperor ruled mankind with the philosphophy of the greater good or what if the Tau were around as old as humanity (or maybe like 2000 or so years younger because of the rate at which they develop) and then the emp made a alliance with the tau. Maybe pre emperor humanity made a alliance with them and then the tau fell apart with humanity after the AI revolution than the emperor swoped in and fixed both or maybe just humanity and left the tau to die. That sounds like something fun to think about.
Lorgar is underrated, though i get why. However this made me like him even more and the fact that even this guy came out (arguably) worse than before shows how evil chaos is. What i like about lorgar is that he in the beggining had good intentions and was a genuinely good DUDE. I belive if the big e would have talked things over with him in a more dignified manner Lorgar would be one of the most loyal sons of the emperor.
I think it's very important to note that in the scene where Lorgar tries to overthrow Horus but the Chaos Gods rat him out and Lorgar gets his ass kicked instead, the Chaos Gods probably actually saved Lorgar from dying Horus was about to kill Lorgar, but some invisible force stopped him and convinced him to just let Lorgar go peacefully. I dont think that this proves that Chaos cares about Lorgar, but it does show that they had plans for him beyond the heresy
Fun speculation video idea: Say you just joined, been born into or warp summoned by Chaos. How hard or how long would it take to rise through the ranks of each faction? Love your lore videos Majorkill!
Wow! I too have always used “insert sponsor name here” before they reached out to me. Seems to be the tagline of every sponsor message now. XD Wonder if Lorgar sold his brothers on chaos by saying he had always worshiped the chaos gods before they reached out to him.
I really hope Lorgar gets some lore love in the near future, not because I give two shits about him but because I am hoping it leads to Corax killing him.
Lorgar really has no redeeming qualities does he? He’s like a worse version of Mortarion except just a prick 100% of the time who hides from his bird brother
Thrilling video as always @majorkill. Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc?
Hello Majorkill, Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
I pretty sure he has done some of these topics in the past. You may want to first look through his videos on his channel before making requests that may already have a video for them.
IMO there are only 3 Primarchs that actually mattered to The Emperor's Imperium, and that's Guilliman, Lorgar and Magnus. Whilst the Primarchs as a whole were great military leaders who could rapidly expand the Imperium, The Emperor would have likely carved out his Imperium without them anyway, albeit quite a bit slower, with just having Legion Praetors or even some of his more astute Custodes leading the Legions, so the more Warlord-esq Primarchs (IE: the majority) really weren't needed to the same level as the Primarchs offering skills that would help maintain and run the Imperium. Lorgar's ability to keep the populations happy by winning their hearts and minds, Guilliman's incredible administration skills and Magnus's ability to use the Golden Throne, help with the Webway project and incredible thirst for knowledge would all have contributed greatly to the Imperium as a whole. A few other Primarchs also have useful skills beyond conquering, but these would not have had the impact that these 3 Primarchs have/had.
@@bodricthered I'm not so sure how adept the more technical Primarchs were for innovating to that level, as they too held similar suspicions that were holding back the Mechanicum when it came to true innovation. Maybe with time Vulkan, Ferrus Manus and Perturabo could figure out the real limitations to AI and similar techs without putting huge breaks on humanity's progress, but I don't think we'll ever find out.
wait a minute i have been watching 40k lore videos since before majorkill habitually blew our eardrums out by screaming kamehameha or for the emperor at the top of his lungs but never have i ever heard of a dreamwalking word bearer causing the scattering of the primarchs? wut?
Personally I think the reason Emperor was in such a hurry to finish the crusade is not because of any specific threat, but because he knew of most of the factions that would be a problem later already. I think he foresaw, some time before the Unification war, that humanity would be wiped out in 99.99% of futures, whether by one faction or another, or consumed by Chaos. He had to make every second count in order to forge a future in which they survived, in a universe in which there’s no point at which survival could be guaranteed. But in all likelihood, it was just a matter of knowing he’d made the Chaos gods his enemies and that it was now a “kill or be killed” situation.
Of all the primarchs to be saved from their daemonic form and welcomed back by the emperor, Lorgar would be the coolest. The current setting would allow him to go from the pissant of 30k to the super cleric of 40K.
Thinking about this whole "True name gives you power over something" I realized something. Couldn’t the emperor just tell the defenders, during the siege of Terra, whatever names he had decided for his (now demonic) sons? Everyone knows their official names already but as their creator he should know their true, Big E given names. It would take Fulgrim, Angron, Morty and Magnus out of the fight, severely weakening the traitor forces attacking the palace!
I absolutely doubt this would happen but it would be fun/funny if the emperor returned and redeemed Lorgar as his herald with a “I hate what you’ve done but now you’re truth is THE truth”
JUST HAVE TO PUT THE PRE-REQUISITE "FUCK EREBUS " IN HERE ( it's gotten to the point where if I write the word FUCK in my phone it automatically writes the name "EREBUS" after it!) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, I think this is the nicest you’ve ever spoken of Lorgar. There weren’t a lot of pedo-jokes or any of the other stuff you threw into the Word bearers breakdown
Dear Majorkill, I workout. Mostly running but I can't quit soda. It's keeping my tummy chub on me. My theory is Horus had a soda addiction too. Could you do a video on how to quit to Chaos' carbonated cool-aid?
Im honestly not sure that Lorgar got manipulated. In the novella he is shown a vision of the future of the emperium if the traitors lose wich apparently changed him forever. But since we don't know what he saw its impossible to make a definite dessicion on if the traitors are right or not. The actually truth about who the real "good guys" are in 40k will probably never be revealed (wich is a smart business dessicion by GW imo)
Lorgar's spent 10,000 years watching his father and the Imperium transform into his original vision for it. In the end he got what he wanted. But as a Demon Prince he'll never be able to return to the Imperium. So, abandoned by everyone. He sits alone.
Hey Majorkill, how do you get motivated to work out? I look like if Nurgle had slightly less cancer and had a beard almost as majestic as the Emperor's flowing locks. Unfortunately, more weight equals less motivation which equals more sad which equals more weight.
Some of The Best Contexts of 40K Lore So Brutal, So Paying And Yet They All Receive Little to Nothing A True Example of Chaos’s Degeneracy And to Think E Planned Most of It
I want to see that Lorgar has been working on a way to expel his demon the entire time so he can return to humanity as he was and support the emperor. No one would believe it for a while but it would be a great story.
People forget the emperors sons were made in partnerships with chaos gods and so is a lot of the power bestowed on him. If anyone fell to chaos first it's the emperor.
I don't understand why the Emperor was so adamant about people NOT worshiping him as a god, instead preferring to rule by fear. Was there a philosophical reason for this, or do religious people somehow give more power to chaos? If so, do the Sisters give power to Chaos by worshiping the Emperor's corpse?
Still waiting on that Big E model! I just bought my first army too! I bought the Grey Knight paladin set and a Grey Knight combat patrol set. I didn’t buy a named character yet because I want Kaldor Draigo, but I can’t find one. Bought all my paints and brushes/cutting tool. I’m ready bro! I know Grey Knights aren’t doing so hot on table top right now, but loyalty is its own reward. Your channel got me into 40k haha!
This is something I wonder if you could make this: what if the Emperor learns of the Pilgrimage of Lorgar? What would he do and what would happen? Also what if the Imperium follows the Emperor's decree and rejected the Lectitio Divinitatus, and what would the Imperium be without all the religious fervor?
I feel like Chaos Undivided making Lorgar into a Daemon-prince was a fail-safe to make it impossible for him to repent. Because I feel like otherwise, he ultimately would. Not necessarily returning to a loyalist, but more like to prevent him from becoming a renegade outcast against Chaos. As eventually his character arc seems to have been heading in the direction of "the lesser evil." As he was always pro-Mankind. Like the untainted Iron Warriors, they see themselves as always having been loyal... just to their beliefs and not the Emperor who in their eyes, betrayed them.
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If only Lorgar had optimised his vitamin levels, maybe none of this would have happened
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Remember when pinned comments were interesting to read? It's disappointing to see that the Chaos God of Adverts has taken over here as well.
You know what would be really dope majorkill? Banging some of those nude cosplayers in live action.
You should do top 5 strongest astartes, and how good they'd fair against near-primarch level
@Zeepathy +1
Is Lorgar physically weaker than the twins?
Roboute Guilliman: "If I had a Bolter with two rounds left and I was in the room with Lorgar, Fulgrim and Erebus, *I'D SHOOT EREBUS TWICE!!!"*
Then beat his dead body till it's a red slury
Erebus is awesome. I thank him for all he has done.
@@minuette1752Lorgar would also shoot Erebus if given the option, considering he's the one to tell Kharn that Erebus killed Argel Tal.
@@starhammer5247 Yea but Erebus did so much for the setting. You have to admire him for that.
@@minuette1752 I can appreciate the determination, but I still want him to have a very personal meeting with the Doom Slayer.
"Lorgar is often the most overlooked primarch"
Ferrus Manus from his grave: 🤔
ferrus manus is by far the least interesting and worst written primarch, there's a reason he's overlooked
Ferrus needs a new book.
Lorgar is better because he's still alive. Who's Ferrus again?
Ferrus only exists to give Fulgrim some backstory
Ferrus Manus got ahead of the game. Geddit? A head?
I'll see myself out.
Big E: *"FOR THE LAST TIME! I AM NOT THE MESSIAH!"*
Lorgar and the Word Bearers: "He is The Messiah!"
"Do not call me good rabbi, for only God is good!"
That’s exactly what a humble messiah would say
He's not The Emperor he's a very naughty boy.
Big E: "I'm not a god!" Also Big E: Makes him self look dozens of feet tall, radiates golden light, wears golden armor and has a personal guard of unmatched golden clad warriors, calls himself the Emperor of Mankind, calls his conquest of the galaxy a crusade...
@@bobjones5674 it's worse because he chooses to look like that
Therapist: "Ken Majorkill isn't real. He can't hurt you."
Ken Majorkill: 0:01
Majorken
While the Word Bearers are rightfully hated, they were absolutely convincing and sneaky.
If only the Custodes had been written better, it would have been even cooler.
They have become my favorite traitor legion the more I read. They are awesome.
@@minuette1752
Yeah Word Bearers are surprisingly the most consistently well written.
@@noisemarine561Arghul Tal is one of my altime favourite characters next to Loken and Magnus
Highly recommend this story to anyone. One of the best universe building parts of the Lore.
The description of the fall of the Eldar was haunting
Love your Videos, the Voice Acting is exemplary!!!
Agreed. Also one of the best insights into chaos.
Aurelian was an excellent audiodrama. Followed by Butcher's Nails and Betrayer, it's probably my favourite 40k arc.
Lorgar really is the most tragic of the Primarch. A son damned because he loved his father too much. The child shunned by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
*Snarls* in Angron Voice.
@@Birds_A_Killa_Now Oh boohoo. You got angry wires shoved in your noggin and your gladiator buddies died. That sucks, but it's nothing compared to your god, who is also your dad, rejecting everything you ever did and punishing you for loving him more than any of his other kids.
@@GreasusGoldtooth not sure, at least you have a chance to bounce back from it if you want, having a bad father isn't the ultimate tragedy plenty of people survive it just fine, however ; having your brain fucked up to the point where you can only feel permanent berserker rage, and made to conquer worlds you don't care about as your only role in life, that would drive anyone nuts
@@treznorify? Angron couldn't have them removed and didn't get the full benefit of them.also, let's face it, unlike with Mortarion; big E earned Angrons hatred.
To be clear, unlike the other gladiators, the way they were attached and the damage done while doing it was going to be a death sentence. The other World Eaters maybe could have (at least the non-psychers). But Kharn destroyed that chance, and from my understanding, it's heavily implied the nails did it to stop themselves from being removed.
It wasn't love it was worship. That was the problem. Worship can be twisted easier than love. See above video
Loregar is like the traitor's Roubute Guilliman. His power isn't in the battle map but the campaign map.
To be so effective at recruiting followers, and ensuring their loyalty is nothing to scoff at.
It can even be argued he did the most damage to the emperor by indirectly turning the imperium into a theocracy.
My headcanon is that Lorgar is meditating in order to scry possible futures and subtely cutting himself from the Chaos Gods (still chaos though), only to enact a vindication/suicide campaign that would lead to the Emperor's ascencion to godhood.
My head canon is that Lorgar realized that Chaos wants to just kill people and Lorgar is trying to convince them to be good gods. Hence why no one has seen him since that one battle with Corax.
Lorgar to chaos cunts: plz be good!
Chaos cunts: lol lmao
@@robertnelson9599Bruh He's literally on a crusade for a while with his Word Bearers
I think Lorgar finally figured out The Emperor's real plan, and is trying to figure out how to salvage it because he realized he messed up.
I remember seeing a 40k theories iceberg with "Lorgar regrets betraying his father and has slowly been going mad with guilt locked away in his tower for the past 10,000 years" and while I quite like his moral outlook on the setting as we currently understand it, that would be one of the most insane twists they could possibly pull off.
Argel Tal's descent into darkenss is truly a tragic tale. After all, he was perhaps the most level-headed and likeable Word Bearer
As to how he is feeling now, he said that line after he had become a demon, “I’m more sure now than ever before that I was right, the emperor is a god”, or something like that, and he also notes gods can make mistakes, but leaves the thought lingering. I wonder if he wishes he could worship the emp now that the emp seems to have fully embraced lorgars origins vision.
The pilgrimage that traumatised all the choir boys throughout the galaxy
that would touch them so deeply their uncles and priests were jealous
EDP 445 would’ve loved Lorgar, fly high EDP 😔🕊️🕊️
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Story-wise, this was one of my favorite moments from the Heresy. No joke. _The First Heretic_ really made me love ADB's writing, and this definitly was one of its strongest moments. 😎
It's likely Lorgar has come to a similar conclusion as Archaon; The flaw with Chaos is the Chaos Gods themselves, and thus they must be overcome and a REAL god put in their place.
The First Heretic was my first Horus Heresy book and hadn't Aaron Dembski Bowden sold me on his writing skills with the Night Lords Trilogy already, this book certainly would have.
Good to hear someone else's first book was the same as mine. Now I follow ADB writing religiously.
Too bad he absolutely hates writing the Emperor.
@@stonepedal768ADB is only good at writing a chaos perspective. Loyalist perspective?....yeah not so much. We know how Master of Mankind turned out to be turning the Big E into an idiot
I used to love ADB's writing but all his Chaos Astartes "heroes" (Talos, Argel Tal, Kharn etc) are virtually identical characters. All have the same "noble, forced into being a bad guy but still a good guy" thing going on whete they genuinely blend into the same guy wearing different armour.
@@actional2943 Maybe in the beginning they are like that. By the end of their character arc they have often times become evil incarnate. Especially Kharn.
A video about how things would play out of Lorgar began to worship non Chaos gods would be fun.
Surviving Eldar deities, minor warp powers, a C'tan Shard, the Machine God...
Fucking gork and mork
In 40k lore it is explained that any human religion was always subtle ways of Chaos whorship in a different form.
Lothar starting to pray to clear deities would be fun tho agreed.
@@PuddingXXL so tribal people worshiped nurgle due to them worshiping gods of nature, asia worship gods of intellect and philosophy empowering tzneech , Greece and north worshiped korn by their war gods and god of honor n shit and modern relegion worship slanesh by worshiping gods that promote self loveing and amplified emotions of love care peace happiness that makes one self feel good when followed
Are you saying that Ollanius Pious is a Chaos Worshipper, there?
Besides, there are... other things in the warp.
@@justinweber4977 It´s also a Theory that the Warp-Soul of the Primarch are old forgotten Gods of Earth
Roboutian Heresy Lorgar was quite based as he strongly oppose the totally not Chaos worship on his homeworld, overthrew Kor Phaeron and led his Legion to be heralds of the Imperial Truth.
Even though the Imperial Truth was eventually abandoned in favor of worshipping Big E, the Roboutian Heresy Word Bearers still follow it and get away with it because of their Legion-sized strength and no one is foolish enough to try antagonize them without consequences.
Honestly Roboutian heresy is such a good reimagining, so interesting to read how the loyalists fell and the traitors remained loyal in comparison to the canon.
Word Bearers also help in the Imperial Cult not being total a--holes. As is very clear the sons of Lorgar are always looking for an excuse to kill them. Just as it was beatifully demostrated during the Age of Apostosy.
God i love the Roboutian Heresy. I cant wait to see what Zahariel pulls up next chapter
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I love it because the RH Loyalist aren't necesarilly the same characters they were in canon, they are the best versions of themselves, what they could have been.
@@juliane.mfarias9285 Yeah, the reverse kinda thing where all the loyalists had shit go down in their childhoods while the traitors had things end well for them
@@mitchmitting102it’s my favorite alternate heresy, not only for the lore and how each legion fell, but also because it’s ongoing and stuff has gone crazy. So good
I still haven't got over the fact Majorkill looks like Malfoy.
Still waiting for the video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guilliman's situation as imperial regent of the imperium. Seeing how each would rule or destroy the current day empire would be really interesting
yessir, we'll get it someday. we all believe in you
Lorgar would be happy
The crusade continues, keep up the great work my friend!
Indeed I'm contemplating a channel donation just for that video 😅😂😅
Somehow, Angron turns out to be the best one.
The most zealous primarch, wish he could have thought that the burning of monarchia was just a test by the emperor, to see how strong his faith is
Do a video on the chief librarian from each legion
Or a video on each legion’s relationship with Librarians.
I think the deal was he offered Chaos the whole of humanity in exchange for his powers and the help with primarch project but rather than lead humanity into Chaos worship he spread the Imperial Truth and tried to suppress humanity’s psychic potential. Hence why Chaos made sure that Lorgar was sent to Colchis.
I doubt big E made a deal with the Chaos Gods. Thats what they told Horus to corrupt him, similar to how they lied to Lorgar
Said it before, and it bears repeating: Lorgar and the Word Bearer's entire existence is the best possible argument against the phrase "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be".
And, less commonly; "A thing being terrible has never made it untrue. But a thing being true does not make it desirable, necessary, or right."
I love how after the Istvaan family function Lorgar beats Fulgrim and makes Horus freeze up.
The pilgrimage that left all the little kids shaking with fear
Majorkill you should do a video on the life of a chaos cultists
The only thing Lorgar deserves is a lightning claw to the head- Corvus
"Meditated" in his tower? Is that a euphemism for Lorgar hiding under his covers with all the lights on, while Corax wanders around outside the window creepily saying "Lorgar, time to come out and play."?
I like to think Corvus waits till Lorgar finally has to fall asleep before sneaking in and putting up a cardboard cutout of himself somewhere In the tower to give Lorgar a heart attack
The only primarch who loves chaos willingly.
And therefor the one I want to see die painfully with the emperor’s sword slowly cutting him into pieces .
@@stormbringer2840 and I want chaos undivided to gang rape your corpse god in his golden throne but you can't always get what you want.
I love the Word Bearers and SOH, I collect both for the Hersey Tabletop
Like what if the emperor ruled mankind with the philosphophy of the greater good or what if the Tau were around as old as humanity (or maybe like 2000 or so years younger because of the rate at which they develop) and then the emp made a alliance with the tau.
Maybe pre emperor humanity made a alliance with them and then the tau fell apart with humanity after the AI revolution than the emperor swoped in and fixed both or maybe just humanity and left the tau to die.
That sounds like something fun to think about.
The Tau have their weird mind control. I suspect there is something dark and twisted behind them. Otherwise, it wouldn't be Warhammer 40k.
Lorgar is underrated, though i get why. However this made me like him even more and the fact that even this guy came out (arguably) worse than before shows how evil chaos is.
What i like about lorgar is that he in the beggining had good intentions and was a genuinely good DUDE.
I belive if the big e would have talked things over with him in a more dignified manner Lorgar would be one of the most loyal sons of the emperor.
I think it's very important to note that in the scene where Lorgar tries to overthrow Horus but the Chaos Gods rat him out and Lorgar gets his ass kicked instead, the Chaos Gods probably actually saved Lorgar from dying
Horus was about to kill Lorgar, but some invisible force stopped him and convinced him to just let Lorgar go peacefully. I dont think that this proves that Chaos cares about Lorgar, but it does show that they had plans for him beyond the heresy
Fun speculation video idea:
Say you just joined, been born into or warp summoned by Chaos. How hard or how long would it take to rise through the ranks of each faction?
Love your lore videos Majorkill!
this would be cool
Wow! I too have always used “insert sponsor name here” before they reached out to me. Seems to be the tagline of every sponsor message now. XD
Wonder if Lorgar sold his brothers on chaos by saying he had always worshiped the chaos gods before they reached out to him.
I really hope Lorgar gets some lore love in the near future, not because I give two shits about him but because I am hoping it leads to Corax killing him.
same
I sadly doubt they have the Balls to actually fully kill off a Primarch if they can just release a flashy new Model of him $$$
Anyone who hates the word bearers can't comprehend the 9dchess game they played
we all know what realy happened: lorgar was forced to read the most deranged subreddits in existence.
Nah, if that were the chaos Lorgar would have been a loyalist at the end.... or yearn for humanity's destruction
@@marquisobscurite9104 actually he WANTED humanity dead after his pilgrimage...
Hallo Majorkill, can you please do a video about the high lords of terra?
Lorgar really has no redeeming qualities does he? He’s like a worse version of Mortarion except just a prick 100% of the time who hides from his bird brother
And it was all because of fucking Erebus
Please make a Nykona Sharrowkyn/Raven Guard inspired major mini.
I would purchase that in a heart beat!!
💯 would buy no questions asked.
Thrilling video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc?
Hello Majorkill,
Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
I pretty sure he has done some of these topics in the past. You may want to first look through his videos on his channel before making requests that may already have a video for them.
To skip the ad read, and listening to him repeat the video title you just read. 2:07 Getting to the point.
Pilgrimage of Lorgar or ”Lorgar’s quest for new genocide sugar daddy”
IMO there are only 3 Primarchs that actually mattered to The Emperor's Imperium, and that's Guilliman, Lorgar and Magnus. Whilst the Primarchs as a whole were great military leaders who could rapidly expand the Imperium, The Emperor would have likely carved out his Imperium without them anyway, albeit quite a bit slower, with just having Legion Praetors or even some of his more astute Custodes leading the Legions, so the more Warlord-esq Primarchs (IE: the majority) really weren't needed to the same level as the Primarchs offering skills that would help maintain and run the Imperium.
Lorgar's ability to keep the populations happy by winning their hearts and minds, Guilliman's incredible administration skills and Magnus's ability to use the Golden Throne, help with the Webway project and incredible thirst for knowledge would all have contributed greatly to the Imperium as a whole. A few other Primarchs also have useful skills beyond conquering, but these would not have had the impact that these 3 Primarchs have/had.
I'd put vulkan in there to return the mechanicum to the dark age of technology...
@@bodricthered I'm not so sure how adept the more technical Primarchs were for innovating to that level, as they too held similar suspicions that were holding back the Mechanicum when it came to true innovation. Maybe with time Vulkan, Ferrus Manus and Perturabo could figure out the real limitations to AI and similar techs without putting huge breaks on humanity's progress, but I don't think we'll ever find out.
I thought it was basically confirmed that Lorgar has been learning Enucia (or whatever it’s called) since he’s been away
wait a minute i have been watching 40k lore videos since before majorkill habitually blew our eardrums out by screaming kamehameha or for the emperor at the top of his lungs but never have i ever heard of a dreamwalking word bearer causing the scattering of the primarchs? wut?
Blessed khorne almost saving the universe on accident for a laugh
5:42 Corvus does not want this man To sleep.
Personally I think the reason Emperor was in such a hurry to finish the crusade is not because of any specific threat, but because he knew of most of the factions that would be a problem later already.
I think he foresaw, some time before the Unification war, that humanity would be wiped out in 99.99% of futures, whether by one faction or another, or consumed by Chaos.
He had to make every second count in order to forge a future in which they survived, in a universe in which there’s no point at which survival could be guaranteed.
But in all likelihood, it was just a matter of knowing he’d made the Chaos gods his enemies and that it was now a “kill or be killed” situation.
The primordial truth is the greatest lie ever told which is the horrifying truth of it
Of all the primarchs to be saved from their daemonic form and welcomed back by the emperor, Lorgar would be the coolest. The current setting would allow him to go from the pissant of 30k to the super cleric of 40K.
Thinking about this whole "True name gives you power over something" I realized something. Couldn’t the emperor just tell the defenders, during the siege of Terra, whatever names he had decided for his (now demonic) sons? Everyone knows their official names already but as their creator he should know their true, Big E given names.
It would take Fulgrim, Angron, Morty and Magnus out of the fight, severely weakening the traitor forces attacking the palace!
I think only powerfull Psychers can really use the True Name of a Demon against it. Grey Knights or Librarians werent really a Thing during the Heresy
I absolutely love Lorgar as a character, probably my favourite Primarch
Now that i think about it, Argel Tal is 40k's Dante Alighieri
As a Word Bearer player, this is wassssup. 👑🔥
Video 37 of asking ‘What if Nykona Sharrowkyn killled Fulgrim’
Video idea: What if Gulliman found Angron instead of the emperor?
40K Theories did a video on that
What if Lorgar ends up becoming a Daemon prince of Malice/Malal? That would would be neat.
What Big E say: Don't Misunderstand me as a God
What Lorgar Hear: Understand me as a God
I love how straight up evil the Word Bearers are.
I absolutely doubt this would happen but it would be fun/funny if the emperor returned and redeemed Lorgar as his herald with a “I hate what you’ve done but now you’re truth is THE truth”
Big fan man keep up the content
Oh God , Majorken is back...
Poor boy.
I wonder what would have happened if someone he was about to worship told him "I don't know" when asked a question.
JUST HAVE TO PUT THE PRE-REQUISITE
"FUCK EREBUS " IN HERE
( it's gotten to the point where if I write the word FUCK in my phone it automatically writes the name "EREBUS" after it!)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, I think this is the nicest you’ve ever spoken of Lorgar.
There weren’t a lot of pedo-jokes or any of the other stuff you threw into the Word bearers breakdown
Ohh yes my Australian overlord
Wouldn't it be crazy if lorgar turned loyalist
Dear Majorkill, I workout. Mostly running but I can't quit soda. It's keeping my tummy chub on me. My theory is Horus had a soda addiction too. Could you do a video on how to quit to Chaos' carbonated cool-aid?
FINALLY. it’s been a week man
Im honestly not sure that Lorgar got manipulated. In the novella he is shown a vision of the future of the emperium if the traitors lose wich apparently changed him forever. But since we don't know what he saw its impossible to make a definite dessicion on if the traitors are right or not. The actually truth about who the real "good guys" are in 40k will probably never be revealed (wich is a smart business dessicion by GW imo)
That thumbnail goes hard
Can ya make a video/short explaining the demons of Chaos Undivided?
Had a series idea for ya. A Vs each legion pre and post heresy Vs itself.
If Lorgar beat a Bloodthirster one on one he is stronger than Alpharius or Dorne for sure. Lower tier combat strength still, but not the weakest.
What doomed the galaxy to eternal war wasn't Lorgar, it was Horus not being able to seal the deal.
Lorgar's spent 10,000 years watching his father and the Imperium transform into his original vision for it. In the end he got what he wanted.
But as a Demon Prince he'll never be able to return to the Imperium. So, abandoned by everyone. He sits alone.
Hey Majorkill, how do you get motivated to work out? I look like if Nurgle had slightly less cancer and had a beard almost as majestic as the Emperor's flowing locks. Unfortunately, more weight equals less motivation which equals more sad which equals more weight.
Some of The Best Contexts of 40K Lore
So Brutal, So Paying
And Yet They All Receive Little to Nothing
A True Example of Chaos’s Degeneracy
And to Think E Planned Most of It
I love Lorgar one of my favourite primarchs
I want to see that Lorgar has been working on a way to expel his demon the entire time so he can return to humanity as he was and support the emperor. No one would believe it for a while but it would be a great story.
People forget the emperors sons were made in partnerships with chaos gods and so is a lot of the power bestowed on him. If anyone fell to chaos first it's the emperor.
I don't understand why the Emperor was so adamant about people NOT worshiping him as a god, instead preferring to rule by fear. Was there a philosophical reason for this, or do religious people somehow give more power to chaos? If so, do the Sisters give power to Chaos by worshiping the Emperor's corpse?
Still waiting on that Big E model! I just bought my first army too! I bought the Grey Knight paladin set and a Grey Knight combat patrol set. I didn’t buy a named character yet because I want Kaldor Draigo, but I can’t find one. Bought all my paints and brushes/cutting tool. I’m ready bro! I know Grey Knights aren’t doing so hot on table top right now, but loyalty is its own reward. Your channel got me into 40k haha!
Lorgar was a pawn. Erebus kicked off the heresy.
So, who did scatter the Primarchs? Argel Thal or Erda?
*smiles in word bearer*
10:18 badass image
What if Lorgar founded the "Greater Good"?
This is something I wonder if you could make this: what if the Emperor learns of the Pilgrimage of Lorgar? What would he do and what would happen?
Also what if the Imperium follows the Emperor's decree and rejected the Lectitio Divinitatus, and what would the Imperium be without all the religious fervor?
Ah yes blast your food with microwave radiation! Healthy...
I feel like Chaos Undivided making Lorgar into a Daemon-prince was a fail-safe to make it impossible for him to repent.
Because I feel like otherwise, he ultimately would.
Not necessarily returning to a loyalist, but more like to prevent him from becoming a renegade outcast against Chaos.
As eventually his character arc seems to have been heading in the direction of "the lesser evil." As he was always pro-Mankind.
Like the untainted Iron Warriors, they see themselves as always having been loyal... just to their beliefs and not the Emperor who in their eyes, betrayed them.
Lorgar to chaos god would be a mental twist,
New video hell yea
Can you cover the "Serpent Beneath" from the "The Primarchs" book 20 of the heresy.
This book series was really good. Slow and dull at first but by the end holy crap. It's pretty dark, especially Argel Tal's experience.
Crusade day 21 the top ten community wholesome moments would be great