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TLDR : the argument that "Every black crusade, evening the ones that seemingly failed, were all small effective parts of a larger campaign hue hue" is still BS and I will continue to denounce Abby as a subpar antagonist
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"so yeah, we lost innumerable amounts of men, material and daemons on this black crusade while the Imperium will make back what they lost tomorrow. BUT! We achieved ONE of our objectives each time! So we technically won!"
Yeah like if you have the powers of four gods Coursing threw you veins and you can't destroy even a single empire then your a loser
when is he going to be defeated? The fall of cadia story kind of shows how pathetic he was , with all the power he had he couldnt defeat cadia without having a black stone tantrum.
The Thalastian Jorus incident honestly made me feel more respect for Abaddon than pretty much any of those black crusades.
I repeat, his sportsmanly reaction to nearly dying (To what was comparatively a normal Marine...albeit one with the balls and rage to make Khorne fangirl) impressed me LEAPS and BOUNDS more than any of his supposed accomplishments.
Take notes GW, we know you can write well now please give us more of that and "IT WAS ALL JUST AS PLANNED!" plot BS...
@@tobydawes6007 I doubt it'll happen, but Huron killining abaddon would get rid of him and introduce a much better antagonist with a legit beef with the imperium
The Black Crusades were an example of how Chaos can never truly win the Galaxy, because the moment they do win a bit of the Galaxy they will turn on each other’s for said territory like what happen to the Dark Imperium. Chaos is a self destructive force that can never truly unite for a common goal because fundamentally all of the Chaos Gods hate each other for being each other opposites, and unlike we mortals who put aside our differences for common goal the Chaos Gods never forget or ignore past insults and grievances.
They already won when the Horus Heresy concluded. A rotting civilization to fuel the chaos deities with emotional energy. The black crusades are just retarded. The writers think it is stoking the fire but it is just burning your food.
Instead of the waging war with the Imperium, they should wipe out the necrons.
give humans something bigger to kill and suddenly we forget how much we hate our neighbor's guts
Idk man, look what happened to fantasy. With enough bad writing games workshop is clearly capable of destroying any setting no matter how much it doesn’t make sense and how much it poorly retcons previous lore.
Wait the dark imperium is infighting?
Still better than Imperium's corrupt system where you have to give your money to the Imperial church or to have parents of noble origin to ever achieve shit. The reason why I stand with Chaos, it's because you are judged by your abilities, not by your money.
That piece of lore when Abaddon killed Sigismund was heart-wrenching.
For 500 years, Sigismund did hardly anything other than waiting in his ship for Abaddon's return so he could put that traitor to the sword. When he finally came, Abaddon was actually struck by grief when Sigismund told him how much he hated him for what he did. Abaddon tried to explain his actions and told Sigismund that he doesn't want to fight him, but Sigismund's hatred was too strong, so they started exchanging blows.
Sigismund impaled Abaddon with his Black Sword, but Abaddon struck back with his claw and basically ripped Sigismund in half. When they were lying next to eachother on the ground, Sigismund actually tried to reach for his sword again, which was still in Abaddon's chest, but Abaddon was like, "Please, dude. This claw killed a primarch. Please just let it go." and Sigismund faded away.
This was the only time that Abaddon showed remorse for his actions and the author did that part brilliantly, I have to admit.
Is this just a bit of lore or is it in a book?
I think 40k would benefit from how Warhammer Fantasy did their “Warmaster/Everchosen” where if the guy fails to destroy the world he dies in the attempt . So when Archaon comes and destroys everyone it’s not like he’s failed 50 fucking times before like Abaddon. Abaddon also having 12 extra chromosomes certainly doesn’t help his case either.
Fantasy doesn't span across millenia and Archaon did destroy the world. End times and age of sigmar are widely hated.
@@FrenkieWest32 I agree that AoS and End Times are shit, I’m saying that if the great and powerful Abaddon hadn’t already failed 12 separate times his 13th attempt wouldn’t seem so weak. If this was a new Warmaster that killed the old one or went through his own challenges to get the rank it might mean more.
@@ethanflores6252 AoS isnt actually that hated,especially not lately
A big misconseption about the Black Crusades are that people think they are aimed at Cadia and then Terra. Despite the factvthat Abbadon himself stating the former being only the main target in the 12 and 13 BC and the 11 others being completly unrelated to it. But then again not the first time people distorded story line to shit on a certain person/group. (Looking at you burning of Prospero)
@@feto5310 Well then I’m glad there are people who enjoy it. I just can’t get over that it massacred my boi to be born. Reading the Mallus Darkblade series was so jarring to get to the last book and feel like you skipped 2-3 books worth of stuff.
"When at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try try, try, try and try again."
~ Abaddon
Felt that way trying to glue his arm on 😂
@@markcoroneos7811 For the non-plastic one?
@@sablephantom1 yeah
@@markcoroneos7811 Failbaddon the Harmless/Armless.😂
Just like Isanzo
Since Abaddon was supposed to be voiced by Takahata101 aka Abridged Alucard in TTS show, that means whenever Abaddon goes for a very enthusiastic walk, he asked the Imperials how is their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
Yet another reason to hate GW for indirectly putting TTS on "indefinite hiatus".
I fucking love that voice actor.
no way!! the FUCK MOTHERING VAMPIRE WAS SUPPOSED ABADDON?!
I thought it would be Dante or Mephiston.
Taka would have been a great Abaddon especially if he goes full Alucard/horror style
Imagine a collab between TFS and TTS.
That would have been awesome.
GW writers be like:
The Tyranids: A terrifying innumerable force of pure hunger and existential horror, who has the galaxy surrounded who rapidly adapts and evolves in every fight to become more efficient killing machines and can shut down, communication, navigation, psycher powers, and chaos with their shadow in the warp.
The Necrons: Ancient soulless immortal android remnants of the oldest civilization in the universe, who killed the creator race and enslaved their own gods with technology so advanced it can easily shut down chaos, who's ancient war reshaped the sea of souls into the realm of chaos.
The Tau: A young race that has become a technologically advanced space empire so incredibly quickly that if left unchecked will rule the galaxy and is nearly immune to chaos, who not only pose a technological threat but an ideological one as well.
The Orks: the most numerous race in the galaxy who become stronger and more numerous the more you fight them, who can make any form of weapon or vehicle out of useless junk, who's psychic power grows with their numbers who is immune to chaos and every thing they do is hilarious.
Chaos: Despite the fact that they're constantly infighting, are inherently disorganization, are often under equipped compared to there imperial counterparts, their corruption is only really effective against two races out of the entire galaxy, most of their greatest champions are losers with the personality of a saturday morning cartoon villain, and other factions with similar aesthetics wear it better, chaos is the most powerful and interesting threat to the galaxy because ... because the authors say so.
"You know how Space Marines sell the most stuff right? Okay here me out. ..Baaad Space Marines! You can be the Bad Guys aaaand a Space Marine!"
Hah, but nah, I do love the Traitors, especially Heresy Era. But I agree, it's such a shame that in 40k they completely blindsight every other enemy, despite how interesting and theoretically 'more powerful' they should be. Chaos loses at every avenue, and yet, still manages to win just enough to be 'the biggest threat'.
Love the (intentional-guessing?) omission of the Aeldari.
Lol
Let`s be honest, the Tyranids are a bigger threat than chaos, if written properly, which is not guarenteed.
Yeah, to me Chaos is a boring faction. Tzeentch could have strategic geniuses, obscure scholars and Lovecraftian horrors. Khorne could have warriors with excellent training, discipline and uncompromising honor, ones with Charles Atlas Superpowers and antimagic. Nergal could have bioweapon researchers, spliced warriors and soldiers with biological augmentation grafts. Slaanesh could have seduced high society to inconvenience the Imperium, artists that create paintings which distort reality, musicians that create illusions and gas grenades that stupefy. All of those could become unique units, but instead they take the simplest expressions of their domains, place the god's color scheme on them, add enough spikes and skulls to destroy all tactical considerations of the equipment, then say "good enough".
Their signature characters I like the most are Ahriman and Luft Huron, who are well fleshed out and intelligent villains. Haarken Worldclaimer is a lot cooler a character than Abaddon could ever be, but he is a relatively new addition.
It would be nice if Chaos got a complete overhaul, their themes feel underdeveloped.
Kharn has killed TRILLIONS of Imperials, Orks, Necrons, Eldar and Tyranids WITHOUT DYING ONCE!!!
If you think about it the 13th black crusade might be helping the imperium preparing for the coming ultimate Tyranid hive fleet
Hydra dominatus
Let`s be honest, the Tyranids are a bigger threat than chaos, if written properly, which is not guarenteed.
@@samueltrusik3251 They are, and the only reason why all the stories with them are getting their talons shoved up their asses is that NOONE lives to tell about their victories.
Yes! The ACTUAL tyranid hive fleet...
@@mt4592 id higkey want it to not even be identifiable as a hivefleet just an eternal storm of tyranids flooding from every angle without relief or pause only stopoing when *EVERY* other lifeform is dead.
I started Warhammer a while back now and I liked Abaddon in the old Lore. When reading lore back then Abaddon was the Warmaster of Chaos. The only one who could unite the Waring Factions of Chaos together for a common purpose. (The Fantasy Everchosen but for 40K). He was a succsessor to Horus. What made his Black Crusades so scary was they kept getting bigger. Other Lords of Chaos had their own BCs but Abby had 13. Each Crusade after the last made the Black Legion Stronger and Abby's influence wider. When the Imperium heard rumors that the 13th was mustering in the eye of Terror. Abaddon's crusade had all 9 traitor legions joined his side. Legions of Daemons. Traitor guardsmen regiments in the hundreds. Cults after Cults. Planet Killer Ships. Blackstone Fortresses. The Plauge Fleets. And lastly and worse of all Daemon Primarchs themselves. If the Imperium could barley hold off the 12th. How could Cadia survive the 13th? Then over the years rewrites, multiple authors dipping their toes, bad writing and random codex entries. Abaddon the Warmaster of Chaos and Destroyer of the Imperium just became a jumbled mess and a meme. So not really threatening. Him and Calgar have similar problems. His model is cool though.
and yet he "wins" by throwing one of his planet killers into Cadia like a child, it'd be like if the Empire decided to crash the death star into Aldaran instead of you know shooting it with the planet killer gun
@@archonfett I believe the Imperial Fists or some other space marine legion was able to disable most of its systems in an assault. Abbadon would’ve used the planet killing gun if he was able, but GW writers don’t actually want Chaos to be a threatening villain so they got cold feet and decided they shouldn’t have any powerful weaponry so they destroyed it.
@@owenhouck5281 still he has like what 6 of them? use the night lords and alpha legion to sneak in sabotage some defenses (instead of using them as front line forces) then show up and blast Cadia with all of them instead of throwing troops at it. no instead Abby comes up with plans that make Skaven look like Sun Tsu, wait he didn't get lucky till his 13th crusade which Chaos god has 13 as his sacred number....new head cannon Abby is a (albeit retarded) skaven in under all that armour (like the brain rats on Storm Vermin)
@@archonfett I think you must be a salty imperial guard player man. If you knew the workings of the 13th crusade, you’d know that they wanted to draw nearby space marine legions towards Cadia to leave nearby imperial worlds open to attacks from other forces of chaos. The goal wasn’t just the destruction of Cadia, but it was a big part of it. If the planet was just gone, the Imperium would be caught with their pants down, sure, but they would be able to respond to the situation more quickly. This is not a sequence of Crusades for the Black Legion. It is one long, unending war that is constantly being waged. Thousands of years can pass outside the warp while it feels like decades for those inside the warp. If you took the time to actually learn about what you hate, you’d realize that the whole criticism of Abaddon being a moron is just objectively wrong
@@owenhouck5281 nope, not salty, not a imp player, just sayin he didn't use his resources correctly, especially not the evil bat men and reasonable marines. I think Abby is only warmaster cause no one better wants the job (like any of the chaos primarchs, or about half of their officers) that and his plot armor and the OP gear
GW: "Abaddon... he... he is a big threat, and NOT a failure! You'b better be afraid!"
He always was threat, Imperium was shitting it's pants everytime one ship went from Eye
It is a little annoying. Chaos SM are pretty cool as a concept, and the figures are good. I like the imagery. Demon engines, how cool is that, right? But they just aren't being used as believable villains. In one book, an iron warrior insults another, one attacks the other, at the end they have a handful troopers left - Honsu? recruits the few surviving guys from the other chapter, ending up with perhaps 20 Chaos space marines left in total out of tens of thousands and lost all their titans. It's just stupid. Chaos SM have 'chaos' in their name because they follow the chaos gods, not - supposedly - because they just do random shit. In another, a word bearer apostle spends ALL his forces through a grueling siege to get a McGuffin he can't even use. Good job. Also, constantly backstabs each other for no reason.
They basically are villains with no credibility, they are hard to take seriously and you certainly can't get any respect or sympathy for them. That's not good, if they're supposed to be the main baddies. People are supposed to want to play these murder hobos so the ultrasmurfs have someone to shoot at, y'know.
In fairness I will say this. I am 33 and as a kid in 2002 to 2005, Chaos were that baddest MFers out there. Game and storyline in 3rd and 4th The Eye of Terror Campaign etc. That said you are correct there is room for them to take their place as the biggest protagonist. Problem is The Devastation of Baal and Tyranids was such an amazing story that the last 5 years have just been Indomitus, Primaris, Baal, Guillman, Tyranids being OP etc.
What ever happened to the image of the traitor marines being freedom fighters trying to reveal the truth so humanity could ascend to godhood in the warp?
The worst part is all the GOOD ones (interesting, well written, still evil) get sidelined for the lame ones like Abbadon the Despoiled.
@@laughingmask3118 Yup. I like Ahirman. Who else? I can't keep up with the lore and half a decade behind. Wish Black Library had a book subscription service. 25$ a book is so expensive.
They are suppose to be stronger on average too but I don't see it.
Alpha Legion is cool but the books I've read have them as regular CSM. (Hell there is that book where none of the characters are actually Alpha Legion but members of other warbands.)
@@dianapennepacker6854 Argul Tahl (I think that's how you spell it) was awesome during the siege of terra. Dude literally controlled his own demon like some anime character too bad eRebUs killed him.
My personal favourite chaos space marine is probably sevatar though. Despite being a night lord he was super reliable and the only night lord that even konrad curze loved. He was so well respected that once he died , the night lords were divided as they wouldnt obey anyone but him. Imagine being able to gain that level of respect from the most insane and savage marines there are
13:58 Abaddon: "I own you! I own your planet! I own this planet! In fact... *F*CK THIS PLANET!!!"*
Celestine: "Sorry, I droned out there for a second. What?"
Cadia: *gets nuked by Blackstone Fortress Slamdunk*
*whenever each Black Crusade gets thwarted*
Abaddon: "I'mma do it again!"
Major points at leg = “an arm”
Points at arm = “and a leg”
This man is Albert Einstein reincarnated
I always wondered what the relationship between Lorgar and Abbadon is like.
Lorgar for me is the natural warmaster, as he has the deepest understanding of Chaos and does not need to be the strongest individual fighter, but an inspiring leader.
What does he think of the black crusades?
The champion of chaos must be a mortal.
Lorgar once tried to overthrow Horus. After a failed attempt at a psychic attack that Horus knew was coming He gave Lorgar the chance to get up, pick up his weapon, and fight Horus again. He says he's giving Lorgar the chance to fight for what he believes in that he has not had in the past (something like that). Lorgar did nothing. Horus tells him to piss off and Lorgar was essentially banished. Lorgar really doesn't have what it takes to be a warmaster, he never really wanted to be a warrior or showed great fighting skill and rarely ever shows the willpower to unite and command that Horus and Abaddon have. Imo at least.
Isn't Lorgar hiding in his tower terrified that Corvus will eat him if he leaves?
@@BudroThePious I think the "official" reason is Lorgar is praying. For a really long time.
Lorgar is probably more in tune to the machinations of Chaos than Abby but Lorgar says himself is no general. All he ever wanted to do was study the Warp, he just couldn't give up his sons.
I like how pertrabo doesn’t take part most of the time
As if he knows it probably won’t work
Edit: actually none of the daemon primarch take part because they supposedly have better things to do
Perturabo sitting there realizing nothing has changed since he had to carry the entire Heresy is one of the biggest tragedies in a setting full of them.
@@Pyre bro yes.
They should've done the same with Abaddon. He should've been more of a "sponsor" for Black Crusades, only leading a few himself and using others to get what he wanted out of the Imperium and the Dark Gods. It would've cimented him as a cunning villain who knows his limits and doesn't rush things.
Morty is smelling his own farts in some disgusting garden. Fulgrim is doing something we probably don't want to know. Magnus is brooding in his tower. Angron is probably murdering his own sons.
All of that is still smarter and more productive than the Black Crusades.
@@ratflail215 Except mayb ethe 12th, but I mostly agree. Does GW have actual writers or are they making all of this up? :)
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1. Claims Drach'nyen
2. Topples The Eldrich Needles
3. Destroy the tomb of stain gerstahl
4. Shatters empyric barrier
5.Destroys shrines an temples of dozen of worlds weakening warp seals
6. Topples forge world arkreath
7. Beats blood angels
8. In name of Tzeentch melt metal monoliths
9. Weakens walls of reality
10. Invade Helica Sector weaking Iron Hands
11. Captures weird boys an uses them for a Waaaagh!
12. Captures 2 black stone fortrest
13. Death of Trillions abaddon destroyed Cadia
Thanks
Not gonna lie, making thrones for your enemies out of the corpses of your own fallen is actually pretty badass and likely something Khorne appreciated.
I would say the 13th crusade was a huge success. The new chaos space marine codex from what I've heard says that things are very bad on the dark side of the great rift. Lots of planets have declared independence from the Imperium, others think they are still worshiping Big E but its really chaos. Abaddon is also empire building in real space, conquering planets, and doing naughty chaos stuff to summon loads of daemons to fight for him. Sure Guilliman is back and Big E is slightly less dead than he was but so far they are only providing a very large plug in a very large cracked dam. Shits still leaking out.
Tell don't show eh?
@@sumoking3002 yes. It’s a codex entry, not a summary of a novel. It’s the same with a lot of the descriptions of the Black Crusades. We’re going with tidbits of information, not 300 page accounts of what exactly is going down
@@owenhouck5281 oh well if it's a codex entry it should good solid cannon for all of 3 quarters till the next retcon rips it and bluntly states something equally as devoid of nuance.
Meanwhile the Alpha Legion, pulling of the night of 1000 revolts and sending an entire segmentum into anarchy seemingly out of nowhere : GJ Abby, you might not be a disappointment after all
The problem with Abaddon is the fact that GW does the opposite of "show don't tell" with him. They hype him to the moon, but we never see him do badass stuff or have interesting interactions with other characters. Don't tell us that he isn't a pawn of the chaos gods, show us that he has his own agenda and does things his way.
I find the supply raids of chaos space marines so cool. They just gotta make what they steal work
10:13 imagine almost getting yeeted the same way your dad did, seeing it coming and only winning by the skin of your teeth.
By comparison,
Grimgor should have been Abaddon but he gets to be cooler despite only damaging Armageddon with second one being ended only because he got bored.
Even if you dislike his Black Crusades, he did have enough foresight to go “I got what I want, time to leave”…and this was since early editions.
I think yooz talkin' abut 'da great Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka, ya git'. x)
@@Archon3960 *think? We’z a FINKIN’ folk, lad!
Hur hur hur… Orkz is da best!
You know, it's funny how despite the traitor legions having no way to replenish their gene seed, no access to high level forge worlds (which would be hell to maintain because of warp fuckery) or recruiting worlds and a penchant for growing insane or wildly mutating, are still able to regularly loose all their elite units and their gear but still somehow be stronger the next time.
The amount of plot armour story lines is one of the reasons I lament Game Workshop....
Chaos legions and warbands regularly raid the geneseed reserves of loyalist chapters, they can still harvest the geneseed from their fallen brothers (those less mutated and unpossessed), it’s also noted in the 9th edition Chaos Space Marine codex that countless warbands trade for geneseed with Fabius bile
@@captainjimmy6947 raids only amount for so much.
That should still put them at a severe numerical disadvantage. That coupled with the lack of unmutated recruits, faulty equipment and overall shitty logistical conditions should make them much weaker than the loyalist chapters for all intents and purposes.
@@Salted_Fysh I always assumed some traitors could make their own genseed on top of some warp fuckery. And imperium spread SM all over its territory to fight all types of enemies, when chaos can concentrate its SM in one attack. On top of that Black Crusades and all other raids was going for 10 thousands years, they have time for replenish.
@@captainjimmy6947 Yup, some chaos warbands also have worlds that the regularly recruit from, and a few legions have figured out how to stop or even reject mutations. OP a little misinformed 🙃
The black crusade where he pleases tzeench makes sense to me since he needs to keep his plot armor.
Abaddon has always been underwhelming in terms of post Hersey codex lore (I do like him in talon of Horus) so I cannot believe how much they dropped the ball with him during the HH series where they had so much time and opportunity to develop him and set up stuff for later on.
Instead he ends of one of the most 2d and forgettable Sons of Horus characters. Bizarre. It seemed almost deliberate, like a joke by the black library authors (although he’s picked up a bit during the siege when hanging with perturabo)
Maybe it was a dig at GW. Or maybe it was an editorial mandate. x)
Abbadon on the first two books was kinda good however they thought "Ooh, we must transform this guy into an unlikable asshole" so they did it...
The real question isn’t how much the black crusades obtained, but rather how often the arms had to be replaced
Answer: zero, unless he swapped out to his Termie armor at some point
A good summary but I'll add a few things;
Each crusade served as a vehicle to destroy necron pylons scattered around the eye of terror on numerous worlds, these were destroyed either apart of random destructive tendencies of chaos lords or a grand plan by the forces of chaos and by extension abadons plan. Regardless, their purpose was known to chaos long, long before the imperium knew of what they were. The random destruction and sometimes outright stupid moves by abby continued to confuse the imperium until it was too late to stop their attack on cadia.
During the 12th black crusade the black legion through the use of the hand of darkness and eye of night, managed to obtain three blackstone fortresses, one was destroyed during the war and the other two retreated into the eye of terror with abby. One was used as a suicide weapon on cadia during the 13th after the imperial fists destroyed its weapon systems with the phalanx, the other is currently in the hands of the Red Corsairs and thus Huron Blackheart, given to them by abby for their good work during the badab war. So three in the hands of imperium, two destroyed and one in chaos's hands in the gothic sector anyway. Not four destroyed as MJ said.
The power of this mad lad to mention Cadia without breaking down into tears of loss.
Rogal Dorn also supposedly 'died' during the 1st Black Crusade.big loss for the Imperium
If he’s was dead, Chaos would have boasted about killing him. He’s either being held captive and not being corrupted because I’m pretty sure he can’t be. Or he managed to escape and go into hiding.
We all know Dorn is at the Imperial Palace, fortyfying his possition
@@mewtwo6849 this is true
Now I'm just thinking if there could be an XCOM like game, but you're a Chaos warmaster, and you're trying to make progress towards destroying the imperium, undertaking all sorts of missions and occasionally larger crusades to further your goals.
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I think when you speak or refer to Drach'ny'en's powe saving Abby or being OP as plot armour, you have to explain how it's actually the demon who pushed in the Big E's shit in Master of Mankind. I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure the demon represents the 'end of all things' or something.
Not exactly a toothpick
He's the manifestation of the first murder.
I’m not sure if it’s the end of all things, but it was born from the first human murder and grows when people murder so it’s got a bit going on.
@@chandlerpearce6213 Sometimes checking the only reply on a comment is a good idea.
@@Enja_Near what do you mean sorry? I can’t see any replies on this comment haha
@@chandlerpearce6213 I think he meant he's glad he clicked your reply to see what you said, because that bit of lore is really interesting to know.
Thanks for sharing it, I had no idea what the deal with the demon itself was, just that it was supposed to be strong.
Also we can't forget the 0.5 Black Crusade where Abaddon attempted to secure ancient Adeptus Mechanicus artifact called "Flex Tape" so he can properly secure his arms to his torso.
Finally! I’ve needed this explained to me for some time now as I’m from before the retconning of them being failures.
At least Abaddon did something to attack the Imperium with the Black Crusades while the Daemon Primarchs just lazily sit back and play around in the Warp with their little games.
That's a good point, they get as stomped as abby but achieve much much less. Angron is a *joke* at this point. Hell, all of them are. But no, abby is the stand out failure? _Please_
There are reasons but go off
After Daemon Primarch Fulgrim arrives with the new edition and the Emperor's Children new Codex I'm pretty sure that Lorgar will come out from the warp and become the new Warmaster... The cool thing with that it will be if Abbie loses everything and have to start again, and they use it as an opportunity to develop his character and transform him into a more likeable character...
Crusade 1-13:
"Ah ha. I lost but I actually won."
- failbaddon
Bcoz of this type of poor writing chaos doesn't feel like a threat anymore. On the other hand Tyranids and Necrons feel like they could cause the extinction of the humanity.
How did he lose tho? It's not like the imperium is destroying chaos
I don't think that betraying the rival warmaster was so awful honestly, i mean, this *is* chaos we're talking about, and being deceitful is also a skill
9:00 "he always seems to take the easy route". Could that be due to his time as a Luna Wolf? They like to cut Gordian Knots, like when Garvey Loken broke Lucius's nose in what was supposed to be a swordfight.
How about a video on Ka’Bandha and everything he’s done in 40K and fantasy?
The duel with sigismund is a lot less pathetic than its made out to be here. Sigismund was the best imperial swordsman and Abaddon was holding back as he remembered how much respect he had for sigismund. Also he didn't expect sigismund to kill himself, that's how he stabbed abaddon he killed himself after Abaddon started winning.
Wasn’t it made clear that Sigismund was weakened more by age and that his skill and technique was far better than Abbadon? Abbadon only survived because of plot armor
@@GSol1 Sigismund being old is hardly plot armour. Yes, if sigismund was in his prime, he would have won, but he wasn't, and Abaddon was already getting the upper hand by the time Sigismund killed himself to land a hit against Abaddon.
@@DarthAxolotl the plot armor was Abbadon surviving, not Sigismund being old
@@GSol1 Astartes have survived far worse than a sword through the chest. That's hardly plot armour, lol
Chaos is the strongest force once united, but they never are for long.
It can still work if you spread your forces well enough, like Chaos did in the End Times of the Fantasy universe to keep infighting to a minimum.
But 40k Chaos is missing a true MVP faction to wreak even more Chaos on all fronts. Fantasy had the Skaven. 40k has the Dark Mechanicum, but unless they get something done to mass corrupt Xenos and imperial tech all around the material plane it wouldn't really be enough for that same MVP status.
40K already has their own "end times" button at the ready: Tyranids.
Alpha Legion must be working overtime to keep Abaddon in charge of driving Chaos into the dirt.
Why have I never noticed Abaddon’s topknot before listening to the end of this video? Now it’s going to be the main thing I see when looking at his character design, it looks so goofy!
In the lore it’s a tradition of Cthonian warriors, but I do agree it’s a wee bit goofy. I would be interested to see what Abbadon looked like with all that hair down though. In the Talon of Horus novel they discover him with his hair down and don’t immediately recognize it’s him so I imagine it’s a LOT different looking
I come once again with a question-does anyone know or has the list of music Majorkill uses?
The 6th crusade gives me those extreme Lorgar vs Horus vibes where the hyper-zealot Lorgar just leaves rather than fighting Horus or asking Gods to decide etc.
You should make a vid covering the rank system in the imperium (like captains, lieutenants and the different companies)
The iron hands despite their obvious flaws are absolute badasses they defended their homeworld from a coalition traitor force led by purty and abaddon.
You gotta respect someone who doesn't give up.
It’s funny when you look at how much Chaos has accomplished with all its Black Crusade’s and you compare it to how much Guilliman accomplished with just one crusade.
A video of non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl
My favourite bit is the contrast between the Black Legion and Night Lords books by ADB. Black Legion, Abby is considered charismatic, charming, and a skilled leader, whereas in Night Lords, Talos thinks hes an untrustworthy moron who will just get them all killed with his moronic plans.
The Black Legion books also make a point of stating Abby *used* to be charismatic and charming, but changed for the worse after picking up that cursed sword. By the time of the Night Lords books, the Abby that warriors wanted to follow has been completely supplanted by the Abby that warriors have to follow (or else).
Can we really come down on Abaddon for the 8th being kind of unnecessary? The guy’s Warmaster, and if the Dark Gods say jump…
Abaddon: Are you sure, Tzeentch? It seems like a lot of trouble for little purpose.
Tzeentch: You wanna keep my blessing, Topknot?
Abaddon: (Sideshow Bob grumbling noises) I’ll muster the Black Fleet…
- Abaddon getting ready for the Tzeentch mission.
Nurgle: Abby, are you doing that mission for Tzeentch?
Abaddon: Yeah
Nurgle: Mind picking me up some rotten Kroot milk on the way back? It's only a par sec over.
Abaddon's shoulders slump: Um...
Nurgle: You wouldn't want me to rot your dick off now would you? I am just asking for some rotten Kroot milk!
Abaddon subdues a growl: Yes my lord I will with post haste, sigh.
They keep making Abaddon a Power Rangers villain who dabbles in a bit of genocide.
MAKE A VIDEO ON THE GARLOID CRUSADES PLEASE AND THANK YOU
Just realized, Abbadon is like the emperor, solely protected by plot armor, OP sword, big anger issues, and if you follow my headcanon, absolutely will sell you out and betray you to further his own goals no matter who you are.
This man is cranking out content faster than I can keep up
Finally needed a video on this
Somewhere Horus in spirit form is shaking abbadon by the shoulders and going WHAT IN THE WARP ARE YOU DOING!?
Gist is pronounced 'jist', mate
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Often times, the random crusades by Abbadon were used as excuses to destroy pylons, or other defended the IoM could have used to defend Cadia during BC 13
The issue of great idea, terrible execution. I like what the black legion books did with him aswell as that ending scene in saturnine. Made him much more likeable. But exactly as was pointed out, then you have to go and reconcile that against why he has failed so often.
I still hear "Eye of Terra" every time.
I like this video for the explanation of the BC's and why Abbadon looks more like a cartonish villain than an real threat to the Imperium.
Otherwise, I was discussing with a friend other day and saying how the Black Crusades looks more like the plot of the week and he say me some interesting theory about how the Black Crusades work:
The 1st Black Crusade was for him to become a true Champion of the Dark Gods, receive his blessings and become warmaster. Then, since he was the Champion, he has to time and time do some stuffs to please these gods and keep receiving power( like beat a game for Tzeentch, Virus bombing a planet for Nurgle, collecting skulls for Khorne, etc.) and this "missions" became the Black Crusades that Abbadon have to do if he want to gather power to crush and eliminate the Imperium.
For me its a good theory, but Abbadon stills sucks as Warmaster and sometimes fan theorys have better explanations than the canonical ones. hahaha
Its almost as if each crusade was so Abadon could grow half a braincell for each.
Love you dude, you have been my Warhammer Lore Brotato.
Abbadon:for my thirteenth black crusade I will send a group of death guard to shit in the imperial rations.
This is why Abaddon Black Crusade felt underwhelming for every participant. For the Imperium, it's like that time of the month when some rich kid decided to have a party and tour the town and you have to endure it because the parent has connections. While for the CSM, it is like a terrible rich friend invites you for a party or tour, and you're only in it because of the destination and others, not because of that rich kid.
Hell yea just ordered my facto!!! Thanks major looking out for your fellow bros
I will not suffer such slander against our glorious Warmaster! He is the champion of the Ruinous Powers by merit of his tactical genius and strong, healthy arms.
that first picture with the terminator with his hair in that giant ponytail thing all i can hear is "BRUVUH! MY HAIR IS IN MY FACE AND I CANNOT REACH IT, WRAP IT FOR ME SO I CAN END THOSE CORPSE WORSHIPPING FOOLS!"
I dont know whats wrong with me.
This everlasting stream of insults is glorious,
and in between them always a cool story.
Sounds like a main character in every anime
Honestly I feel like GW should lean into this, Abbadon has no idea what he's doing but Chaos is so powerful that he still ends up winning due to some in universe plot armor power and/or pure luck
I feel like that's the perfect main antagonist for a wargame setting, someone who wins through cheese and luck rather than strategy and intelligence
Like Abbadon canonically being the incompetent dumbass the Imperium lost to by having the in universe equivalent of bad rolls would be interesting and would make him very hateable
Abbaddon keeps getting more and more favors from the chaos gods, without dedicating to them. Each crusade is meant to embolden the Imperium, give it false hope, and chip away at different strategic places in the Imperium. Once the 13th crusade hit, it was more evident. People say Abbaddon screwed up by losing a Black Fortress, but now he knows the easiest way to destroy major locations, like Cadia.
Lol, yep, easiest way to destroy important locations with throwing a super weapon ship at it. Really smart.
@@destroyerjunior5501 it actually was pretty smart because he gained exponentially more than he lost not only taking out Cadia but also ripping the universe in 2 in exchange for a weapon that was on its last legs at the time anyways and effectively served its purpose. Any logical person would call that quite a plus but Imperium fanboys love staying in denial.
@@destroyerjunior5501 The black stone fortress that was sacrificed at cadia already had its weapon systems destroyed by the imperial fist's phalanx. Ergo it couldn't engage in fleet actions and couldn't destroy planets either, well not the way it should be used. So by tossing it at cadia to ensure it's destruction it was actually making use of a defanged super weapon. That and even with all the advantages chaos had wrought to bear against the imperium still they hung on and thus in desperation abaddon decided to sacrifice his army to ensure the goal was met. And met is was.
Abbadon leaves his toilet after 2 weeks sitting there after eating an apple from nurgle's garden. "ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL CRUSADE" then proceeds to to say it again after he find the keys hes been looking for some time
You forgot to mention that the 1st black crusade is the one that took Rogal Dorn off of the playing field.
Reminds me of like the big bad in a Saturday morning cartoon or something. They're supposed to be super badass and they do some badass things, but every week they end up losing. 😂
Finally been waiting for this
Woooo!! Another Majorkill video!!!
Cover the gang 40k Garloid heresy!!!!
I always thought the Gothic Wars were one of his crusades. Isn't that where he captured his Blackstone fortresses?
I feel like Black Crusades are like Abaddon learning what to do form his mistakes until finally doing something actually massive for the 13th time.
Abaddon really needs to die and be replaced. We all know Huron Blackheart would make one of the best replacements, but the manner by which to kill Abaddon would be an interesting discussion. Conventional storytelling wisdom says it should either Guilliman, Dante or Helbrecht to avenge Sigismund. But one unexpected route would be to have him die to a Xenos champion. By killing this way, it would be the ultimate slap in the face of Abaddon, since he would die not facing his great enemy, but an enemy he thought was just going to be a spake of dust on the road to his continuing vengeance. The politics of the galaxy would also change dramatically, since a debate would open up in the Imperium about what to do about the Xenos that killed the face of their great enemy that has been plaguing them for the past 10,000 years.
That would be a bit anticlimactic wouldn't it? Kinda undermines the whole titanic struggle between chaos and the imperium...
I would love to see Commander Farsight just bitch-slapping Abby to death, & the Imperium just going: “HOW THE F&CK!?”
@@chaosisbaeos Chaos would recover with Huron, and at this point, most warhammer fans just want the incompanate idiot gone.
And how would Blackheart achieve more? The imperium would bitch slap him.
@@FrenkieWest32 Huron has a history of being a component commander. Well liked by those who fellow him and knows how to use his allies strengths to their fullest extent. He also can make alliances more easily due his reputation for being respectful to his allies. He also doesn't need as much plot armor to achieve victories. The black legion would thrive under his leadership and the merger with the red corsairs.
They solidified the legend of Failbaddon that's what they achieved!!
*Abaddon
@@sablephantom1 who is this Abaddon that you speak of?
@@MusMasi Not as much of a failure as you make him out to be, that's for sure
"I am Lord of the Black Legion and Warmaster of Chaos"
- Abaddon the Despoiler
As these Abaddon apologists needed to have their delusions crushed. Thanks for the video, MajorKill!
Empowered the Emperor.
United mankind and the Eldar.
Revived the Soup Cooker himself - Grandpa Smurf.
Giving the Primaris solid excuse to exist.
GANGER GARLOID HERESY WHEN?
420K sub, I vote Majorkill does a video where he can only say nice things about Abaddon, I want to watch the pain in his face.
Abaddon achieved the loss of his arms 12 times. And on the 13th attempt he finally became harmful
I feel like the only reason there were 13 Black Crusades was to parallel Archaon being the 13th Everchosen (unless I got the number fucked up there)
No, you got it right, Archaon was in fact the 13th Everchosen
Does anyone in the entire setting have nearly the amount of plot armor that Abby here does? Like, holy shit.
Seriously though, how do we know Majorkill is NOT a Slanneshi daemon trying to make us all what they call the "horni"?
I knew there was a reason to stay awake on a Saturday night
After this, explain every Crusades done by the Black Templars
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