Horus and Abaddon - What Was The Difference? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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The two Warmasters of Chaos have a lot of similarities, but what are their differences?
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Hey Majorkill,
Would you please do some lore videos on The Imperial Truth, The Imperial Creed, The Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Thank you.
Saw that inspo video - so rad it inspired this one AND you shouted them out! Cheers!
The resentment analysis at 7:30 is brilliant. It was all in the book, but I feel like GW edited out a lot of what Abnett would have written about what else was going on in Horus’ head per your other vid!
Video on Primarch pp sizes when?
Basically, since Horus was balder, he achieved higher form of evil than Abbadon and as such did more damage to the Imperium
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Lorgar and Erebus were the masterminds, Horus was just muscle on warp roids and now he doesn't even exist anymore 😂.
true
Logic checks out.
Yup.. that checks out.
One of the best versions of abaddon we ever saw was in the saturnine novel. He wanted to topple the emperor but hated all the warp bullshit, demons etc and actually planned stuff out
Yeh I’m glad you pointed that detail out , always appreciated how abbadon had a love for pure combat and not the warp , and when he nearly gets killed by Garo is a great scene
@Diomedes And that's the difference between Abby and Horus. The latter commands absolute respect to both Chaos and his brothers, hence the name. Seeing Abaddon take up the mantle of Warmaster was laughable to even other Daemon Princes.
Horus was also a very cunning politician, but the feeling of abandonment by the emperor and the beaurocrats who were annoying him slowly turned him sour. For example, the beaurocrats wanted to collect taxes from worlds, which have just been conquered. This stupidity and shortsighted demeanor by the senate gave him the impression, that his labor would be ruined. When he was about to die, he told his remembrancer that it should've been Sanguinius instead of him being Warmaster. He described him as a wise man who knew how to conquer in order to rule afterwards.
Horus’ fall is just so sad. After all, we got stuck with Abaddon.
Going bald is very sad
@@averageexistenceenjoyer3950 so tru
Touche
Is Luft Huron deserving to be a warmaster than him sa some players and fans liked and saw him as better?
@@brianaguila6925 your grammar is shit, but yes. Huron Blackheart would be much better than Abbadon
I have been playing Dawn of war dark crusade a lot recently, and after a lot of the dialogue and cutscenes, I think: "Eliphas the inheritor is the chaos lord Abaddon wishes he was"
And then he sold out to the Black Legion for reasons unknown
@@sablephantom1 According to dialogue from Retribution it appears Abaddon bought his soul back from his previous daemonic master (maybe Lorgar, its not clear) and wanted him to destroy Kyras and the Blood Ravens before Kyras could get enough favour from the Gods to threaten his position as war master.
Yes, Abaddon is so petty he thought a random Chapter Master ascending to daemonhood was a threat to his authority.
As a servant of Undivided, Eliphas' voice must be the Slaanesh part.
Honestly, they really should show us Abaddon getting shit done and having interesting interactions instead of always jst telling him how badass he's supposed to be. Show us more of him being a proud warrior who respects strength and honours fallen enemies who possessed it (Sigismund and those Blood Angels who got thrones made out of black legion skulls as graves/monuments).
Also, when Horus entered the gate of Molech after becoming a traitor he came back looking visibly older, as a primach! That means he spend thousand and thousand of years in the warp during that time.
Abaddon calls Horus a weakling because he failed to take over the Imperium. But Abaddon past conquest shows that he's even worse than Horus since Abaddon had a huge asset that Horus never had, a daemonic force. These forces can be applied in both battlefield and subterfuge which give a nasty surprise to the Imperium since it has time to fester instead of being rushed. The Grey knight or the Inquisition may have been active in thwarting his scheme for ten millennia. But these incursions always resulted in the purging of a world which is far from the warzone.
Ten Millennia of the long war just to bring the rift into the galaxy might've been a good idea, if it was done earlier and not been part of the Emperor's plan. How many veterans of the long war have to die anyway just to bring it? At this point, it's likely that his Black Legion is no longer composed and run by Astartes who've fought during the heresy. Even if the 'veterans' are still in charge they're probably becoming more delusional than ever before since they're in a war against everyone, including their own legion.
Currently, he's stuck at Vigilus and even being fooled by Calgar just because he wants a duel with his flagship at stake. He did leave Vigilus and still planning to make another invasion of the surrounding system. But what's the point of the invasion if knowing Vigilus is the vital point. I'm starting to think that whatever tale Khayon said to the inquisition might've been just a glorified version of what really happening.
At this point, the Chaos Gods might've been planning to replace him with someone else because they didn't get the second coming of Horus, but the second coming of Belakor. Even if they never want him to win, it even shows that Abaddon isn't using the dark gods for his personal gains, he's just a slave who is unaware of his own leashes.
Tbh, Tze proably keep him around for the lol, his incompetent hurt Sla so bad she like it, Nurgle betting on how long he can keep going while Khorne like his color
The great rift is part of the Emps plan? I've not heard that yet
Probably cause he's the easiest to manipulate.
What Horus did at Istvaan 3 and 5 was a masterpiece in crippling the loyalists in the early parts of the Heresy but his primarch brothers should be also blamed that it came apart as time went by.
Khayon is cool.
I don't actually have anything to add, I just really like Khayon.
When Abaddon's solution towards Cadia was "throw a big rock at it", it didn't salvage him, from being the armless.
Abaddon: ''And than I threw a rock at'im...Well it was a Big Rock!''
The blackstone fortress was destroyed, it was useless so he used it to destroy Cadia, how is that a bad move? It wasn't even the original plan to use it that way.
@@SirOrdo it’s not a bad move. It’s just boring. He didn’t win via his great strength, cunning, leadership or determination. He got his ass kicked so hard that he had to throw a meteor at the planet to destroy it, a la End Times.
@@Aredel
abaddons train of thought, most likely.
let’s see, ummmm, my army has been held off more than i expected, the eye of terror is closing because of these necron things, my planet killing fortress got rammed and disabled by rogal dorn and his man made moon sized flying fortress, i’ve been stabbed and i still need to find a way to win.
solution, use the already disabled planet killing fortress to kill the planet in a last ditch effort.
he used what he had access to in the heat of the moment to snatch a win from from the jaws of defeat.
@@SirOrdo it just means throwing anything of significant size was an option its the tlj hyper space battering ram problem why was this never done before
Horus is way, way more God like. He is essentially perfect in every aspect. This is made pretty clear in Horus rising
Being a Primarch does that to you. B)
@Jinjyo ni Shoubu Glorious hawk boy is better
@@Andrei-hx1mp naaah, der Wuffboy Russ or Crowboi corax come in way higher.
Both, arguably, have both YEETED themselves into the warp and yet, arguably, In canon, both are alive in the current setting, and at least Corax has ascended to a higher plane of existence within the warp as the spirit of vengeance VOLUNTARILY UNDER HIS OWN AUTONOMY.
Think about THAT for a moment. The implication is that he accepted that all the primarch research was only possible by the addition augmentation with warp science and energy. As revealed to him by the emperor when he gifts him with the secret of the raptor geneseed on Terra.
This sets up the possibility, if not the ultimate irony of the Warhammer 40k universe, that ALL the Primarchs could ultimately self actuate to the level of a daemon or living saint or even approaching Emperor level WITHOUT the assistance of the ruinous powers in a similar manner to the Current daemon Primarchs. Including Horus, thus making his rebellion all the more tragic. In the end, the other Primarchs by and large were imperfect egos of facets of the emperor of m, but what if the only reason for this was they were kept from the secret of their warp aspects of were simply labelled as psykers if they had natural tAlent and mistrust by their brethren and their legions and so sought power from new masters instead of looking within.
Except Magnus. It's all his fault. I think the emperor made him the part of him that he gets to blame, when shit goes sideways and you only have yourself to blame? Or admitting to being too clever by half after making, what is lovingly referred to as a Big Boo-boo or an absolute shit show? I think that's the biggest bit of himself he put into Magnus, so he DID have someone ELSE to blame for his mistake
He was bald
Simple: Horus was competent for Chaos, while Abbadon is competent for the Imperium.
Comparing Horus to Abaddon is like comparing a supervillain to a heel type wrestler (wrestlers who pretend to be bad guys, essentially a paid actor that actually does hurt people)
What did Horus achieve for Chaos? Not much.
To be fair near the end Horus was basically as much a ghoul being hollowed out by chaos as he was a warmaster. Dude didn’t even know who the people around him were or what was happening outside of the siege of terra
@@williambibens4508 another con of joining Chaos: you lose 50% brain cells.
@@FrenkieWest32 he uhm... Shattered the imperium, led half of the primarchs into rebellion and killed his daddy?
You know, small things.
Oh and Sanguinius, he killed Sanguinius.
The concept that Horus could have been a mistake by the Chaos gods is kind of humorous, that he might have been to good at his job. If Horus wins and the extermination of the galaxy happens. Chaos loses everything. Stagnation and war are what feed them, not annihlation. So Abaddon being incompentant plays into Chaos's hands a bit more. Just good enough to keep shit going, but not great enough to win. Almost like an endless proxy war.
Plot twist, chaos wanted Abaddon this whole time. That’s why he has stayed alive for 10K years.
Horus dealt a blow so powerful to the Imperium that it hasn't recovered 10 000 years later. He could fight Big E one on one as a reasonable threat, even if Big E was holding back. Amongst his brothers, he was considered one of the best duelist, most talented leaders and best strategists.
Abaddon has made 13 attempts so far and the latest one, his "stroke of genius", made the Imperium be lead by a demigod and the greatest astartes living legend, reinvigorated their armies with the primaris, brought an archmagos to innovate across the board, made Big E and his daemons far more active in the galaxy, united the eldar, had them awaken their greatest weapon against chaos and motivated the necrons into increasing the number of Blanks in the galaxy. All this pyrrhic victory cost him were multiple irreplaceable archeotech superweapons, and he still thinks it was worth it.
Yikes. Well, when you put it like that >.>
At least he gave blood to the blood god.
Horus didn't do shit. Chaos did this. Half of all astartes did this. The degradation of technology in general did this. Not Horus. He also clearly could NOT fight the emperor one on one.
@@FrenkieWest32 i would respectfully degree because did a little planning for example since he's a warmaster he can direct resource that are made to kill space marine and kill all the loyalist inside the traitor legion in the istvaan 3 massacre here are the reason why he so successful in invading terra
@@FrenkieWest32 He had far less than half the Astartes
Some legions lost half their number by the end of Istvaan.
The minimum losses were 1/3 for the traitor legions.
Then we managed to even the odds by wiping out 3 legions at the drop site massacre
Horus was pretty well outgunned since the start, hence why he rushed the siege of Terra.
Kmowing if the Loyalist Astartes combined, he was screwed.
He did a good job of smoke and mirrors for 7 years, holding the legions apart and confusing them while he rallied every ship he could
Even WITH Daemonic Legions, he was still badly out gunned
He also had morons like Angron just murdering Agri worlds for the lolz
And Fulgrim raping random groups of citizens instead of fighting properly.
Not to mention all the attempted backstabbing and losing the Word Bearers
He did pretty well all things considered
@@muhammadyaseer9673 fair enough. With more nuance, I wouldn't say "Horus didn't do shit". But then again, I also wouldn't say "Abaddon didn't do shit". To act like Horus with his own brilliance and might (rather than Chaos powers using him) achieved that much is silly to me.
Horus is like Morgoth and Abbadon is like sauron
Don't insult Sauron like that.
Don't diss my man Sauron like that
@@nobleman9393 I men’t no insult
@@communistpowerranger9629 I men’t no insult
Sauron dezz nuts
He actually got the talon from the OG horus body. He simply just killed the clone broke Horus' big mace and left.
"Abaddon. My son. My son."
*Sound of six bolter shots*
"I am NOT your son."
Probably one of his only badass moments.
Although Abaddon definitely doesn’t live up to his Primarch, Majorkill is being somewhat unfair to him when discussing that it took 9 years for Horus to siege Terra vs 10K for Abbadon to destroy Cadia. Horus was the Imperial Warmaster and held the upmost trust of the Emperor until his declaration of Rebellion and also his allies were mostly full strength, organized and disciplined Legions whose Primarchs was only starting to sip the Chaos Kool-Aid, alongside all of the other big advantages that Horus held. Abaddon on the other hand had only a wounded Legion, his Primarch allies were either dead or bathing in the Kool-aid and focused on their own thing, and most of the Traitor legions where weakened and broke into war bands, with only the Black Legion, Death Guard, and Iron Warriors bearing any semblance of unity and cohesion. The best examples of this being the World Eaters and Emperor’s children, with Angron caring only for harvesting Skulls for the Skull throne and Fulgrim somewhere in the Warp jerking himself off and snorting the souls of the Damned like Super Crack, while their respective Legions broke down into Warbands doing basically the same thing as their Primarch. Even the Death Guard and Iron Warriors are suseceptible to this, with Mortarion and Typhus butting heads, and the Iron Warriors fighting their own Civil War. So yes, Abaddon may lack the Genius and battle prowess his Father had, but even if Horus was able survive the Heresy and remain Warmaster of Chaos, he would have had a very hard time thanks to his former allies turning insane and disorderly and the fact that he lost everything that brought him so close to victory the first time around, so maybe not 10K years as it did Abaddon, but he still would have taken a very long time to achieve the same milestone has his successor did in the real timeline.
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I think one of the biggest problems with GW writing chaos (aside from the fact that chaos corruption only affects like 2 major races in the entire setting) is they focus too much on Abadon. In fantasy there's been multiple ever-chosen in the past leading different chaos incursions, In 40k there was 13 black crusades and they were all Abadon. And most of his writing feels like lazy preteen I have the best OC do not steal author bias. I've heard people saying Haarken or one of the traitor primarchs should be the war master. Personally I like the idea of Lorgar being the warmaster, his whole power set is based around leadership and creating a cult and imagine the impact of having a massively powerful character in the modern setting be the weakest primarch.
If he wasnt hiding from Corax I might agree.
Do ya reckon you could do a video on Abandons relationships with the other traitor Primarchs. Always wondered why none of them became warmaster
It has been explained that as Daemon Princes, they are essentially forced to play a role in the Great Game of Chaos. They rarely get out of their homes to actually do stuff because they rarely have the chance. There is a reason why, despite living in the eye of terror for a long time (or a short time) Chaos marines haven't all turned into chaos spawn.
Because most belong to a single God (Angron, Magnus, Mortarion and Fulgrim) are doing their own thing and don't want anything to do with the other legions after the fuck up invasion they had to carry for everyone else at Terra (Perturabo) or are hiding from Corvus Corax (Lorgar)
Mainly because all of them are daemons, they are bound to immaterium and can be banished. Abaddon is still a mortal and can move freely across the galaxy, not limited by Warp.
@@SirOrdo They don't care about banishment, quite a few of them have been banished and they just come back.
@@muzanjackson8827 That's not the point, point is that they can be banished and cannot therefore be reliable in leading Chaos armies. Angron got banished on Armageddon and he still has not come back
Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be a cool video ngl.
Well, Horus brought the Imperium to its knees in 9 years, killing trillions, responsible for killing two primarchs one directly the other indirectly, and mortally wounding the Emperor himself. Horus welcomed any and all challenges from calling out Lorgar to try something when Lorgar was eyeing Horus's position of leadership to going toe to toe with Russ and before his end faced down the Emperor himself.
Abaddon however, has spent over 10,000 years trying to get through the front door(Cadia) from the eye of terror, most significant victories are against a wounded and exhausted clone Horus which was almost a tie, an aged and out of prime and exhausted Sigismud who still essentially mortally wounded him, a necron pylon weakened Celestine who survived anyway, and a Primaris Calgar though stupidly left him to live just like with Nathaniel Garro and Garviel Loken. Abbadon however lost to Eldrad, refused a challenge by Azrael of the Dark Angels when called out, and Eikos Lamiad beat him in less than a minute.
Basically, they are the same person.
I think Horous’ fall could have made a lot more sense if he had been in the coma for a lot longer. 1000+ years. They could even have used it as a means to have a whole book about what was happening in his mind during that period.
Chaos could have shown him the imperium falling without him as the leader, and how the imperium would flourish under his rule. During this time, Horus’ is eventually worn down and succumbs, but it isn’t some snap of the finger thing as it is in current lore.
“A primarch can one shot a space marine like I can one shot a 4 year old with a roundhouse kick to the dome.”
I can only assume he’s speaking from experience.
Horus despite being a a failure fucked the imperium into being a crippled mess for over 10,000 years in a war that lasted 7 years
Abbadon was given similar resources and 10,000 years and couldn’t break a guard regiment
Horus didn't do this. Chaos did.
@@FrenkieWest32 Chaos is commanding Abaddon too, so thats no excuse.
@@axios4702 did we watch the same video? Majorkill literally explains how Abaddon is different from Horus in this aspect...
Anyway, yeah Im not the one looking at what the entirety of chaos does and then say that the leader "did it".
@@FrenkieWest32 Bel'akor thinks he is free of the gods too, what makes you believe Abaddon is right?
@@axios4702 I'm pretty sure belakor realizes exactly that he isn't but he tries to be. And he has been at times more than any demon.
Anyway, Abaddon isn't a demon. Maybe that's a strong start... Might as well say everyone is corrupted. How can you ever be sure someone isn't corrupted?
There was a lunar wolf commander who was nicknamed little horus who also fell to chaos
Little Horus Aximand
Yeah Horus Aximand, AKA the guy who'd make a more competent warmaster then Abbadon
One thing I remember in diference between Abbadon and Horus is the way they defeat powerfull enemies.
Abbadon could kill Sigismund on combat with the help of Drach'nien sword and time itself( Sigismund had 1,5k years at the time) while Horus kill Sanguinus on combat and almost mortally wounded the Emperor of Mankind.
Horus was a great leader and warrior, Abbadon is just a strong warrior.
Sanguinius was won out too . Very worn out from hard carrying the loyalists in the final days . I mean fighting for days straight then fighting kabandah and then fighting daemon angron . If Horus wasn't juiced on chaos roids sanguinius would probably have eaten him alive.
I'm of the opinion that Sanguinius succumbed to the Black Rage, one shot Horus, and the turned on the Emporer and did the damage before the Emporer put him down.
I mean, who would the Emporer really hold back from fucking destroying? Horus or Sanguinius? After all Horus did
Abbadon had the Talon of Horus before he killed the Horus clone. He had it in stasis with the Emperor's blood still on it. Iskandar Khayon nearly passed out from the psychic backlash when Abbadon dropped the stasis field. Per Talon of Horus book if I remember. Horus clone still had Worldbreaker though.
Everyone's debating Horus vs Abbadon, and I'm just over here like, "can we please collect all the relics and get Vulkan back?"
I think we can all agree when Erebus ran and hid like a 🚺🐶Chaos was “phuck, there goes our plan B all the way to Y so I guess Abaddon it is.”
Horus is like a ceo of a billion dollar company. Abbadon is like an assistant to the assistant manager
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I think you explained Horus' motivations better in this vid than I've heard before. Horus' sin was pride and ambition, he wanted to be in charge. But he was loyal to the Emperor, so he needed to believe that the Emperor had become or was becoming corrupt, so that he could justify stepping in to "fix" things. And then he would be the hero and number 1.
Abaddon took the talon off Horus' body, not his clone...infact, he used the talon to wreak world breaker, in his fight with the clone...
I like to think if the emperor was able to rid the chaos gods grip on Horus, then the heresy could’ve ended better for the imperium. Just remember it’s Erebus’s and lorgar’s fault
Biggest difference:
Horus - A well made and fleshed out character.
Abbadon - Just another random big bad strong evil guy.
dude, abbadon didnt loot the claw from horus's clone's corpse. abbadon had it in stasis since horus was killed, and he even KILLED the clone with it
Happy Birth month madman, appreciate the content.
Not strong as a Primarch? Even with chaos buff?
Explain Luther beating the Lion in 1 v 1 that should had been an extremely easy victory for Lion, but didn’t and was taken down
Bad writing..especially considering Luther wasn't even a true space marine, he was too old to receive Geneseed and had to make due with lesser augmentation
@@agentchaos9332 just like kor Pharon, because both could not endure tbe process unlike Jorin and Bullvye of the SW, who were old men by the time of becoming true Astartes- they were the impossible made manifest
can you make video about spaces battles in Warhammer 40k
Dude it's literally my birthday today. It's crazy you posted this video same day. Almost feels like majorkill himself is wishing me a happy 27th birthday.
hi majorkill, i have been a fan for ages and would really enjoy if you did a dark mechanicum video as you are where i learn nearly all my lore from
TBH Majorkill, you actually made Abandon sound like quite the interesting character in this video.
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Now we need Archaon the Everchosen vs Abaddon video.
Abaddon took the talon from Horus dead body, not from the clone. He shows it to his bro's when they find him on the vengeful spirit.
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Abbadon is kinda like Lord Harkon from Skyrim. Pursuing a goal that will completely fuck up everything if actually achieved.
Have to be honest, I think Abaddon is more of a man than Horus, or any of the other Astartes or Primarchs.
I have respect for anyone who doesn't bow down to anyone because of "duty" or some other nonsense.
Ask yourself this; would you rather be the actual leader of your own Galaxy wide empire or be nothing more than a sacrificial puppet to a dead guy who killed his previous employees?
Say what you want about Abaddon, but I believe he is simply using the Chaos gods to his own benefit, not the other way around. Every man who has fought him is either dead from battle or old age, yet Abaddon still lives.
Sounds like he's winning to me
Abandon crashing a Blackstone fortress into Acadia is literally Ork tier battle tactics. Literally pulled the ole crash your attack moon into the planet.
Abaddon certainly feels like a "If I were writing Horus this is how I'd do it" kind of character cause he seems to rule through nothing but brute force but the story keeps talking about how smart and clever he is to not let the chaos god own his soul like all the other demon Primarks and I get how from the perspective of a imperium story that's all he has to be a big scary dude in black that will kill everyone if he succeeds but it really seems like he wins cause the story says he should and in a way the black legion (Something in universe should be the most horrifying threat to that galaxy a combined force of any traitor legion, God, or cult all brought together under one banner and is coordinated enough to not just dissolve into infighting like other war bands) have become the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarines in levels of basic
Hello Majorkill. I've been a pretty consistent enjoyer of your videos, but this video has been off the nose. I highly suggest you read Talon of Horus and Black Legion. I'm not going to cover every single point, but here are a few things.
Abbadon did not recover the Talon of Horus from the clone. He already had it by then and stabbed the Talon into Horus.
Abbadon is highly charismatic. This is made particularly evident in both Talon of Horus and Black Legion. He's got a sense of humor, is convincing, and is an excellent manipulator.
Additionally, you're entirely missing the point of the Long War. It is painfully reiterated, over and over, that the Long War is never supposed to be won quickly. In Talon of Horus and Black Legion, it is constantly repeated that the Eye of Terror is a complete shithole; they can barely produce their stuff - warbands are continually fighting each other, and there are scant few places in which cohesion is assured... even amongst the Black Legion.
This is the reality for traitors after the Horus Heresy. They're forced to endure a Long War because, unlike Horus, who had half the damn Imperium at his back, Abbadon is stuck in a pocket shithole filled with daemons, his forces are constantly bickering, and for this and a myriad other reasons, the Long War is meant to be extended. I know some of his interpretations haven't been good across other books.
However, I implore you to read the books about the Black Legion before talking about the Black Legion.
Keep up the good work, otherwise.
I'm a Black Legion player and i read every bit of lore. This is spot on. Bad writing dose not really help Abaddon's case sometimes. Everyone should read the above comment.
The long war is also partially about giving the traitors something to focus on instead of fighting among themselves.
Horus was goal -oriented, whereas Abaddon cares more about brand recognition and has spent the last 10,000 years on pinterest and deviantart and being social media influencer.
Hours succeeded a dozen times before failing. Abandon failed a dozen times before kind of sort of getting a result that isn't a total failure.
The big difference between the two is simple
Abaddon: ''Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it!''
Horus is the driver of one of those cars :p
Horus is the car, Chaos is the one driving.
Happy birthday bro!😁
Could you do a video on the tensions on the first born or how there slowly going to slowly fade away
Weak things must be crushed says the guy who teleports away when he gets slapped
video of non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl
Abbadon believing the emperor to be weak really gave my head the go to just imagine them in the Raiden punching Armstrong meme kekw
Happy Birthmonth Majorkill!
September is Majorkills birthday...in other words Mr and Mrs Majorkill got freaky one Christmas
Huron blackheart should rip Abby in half and become the new warmaster, he would be the better leader and actually has a reason to want vengeance on the uncaring imperium
I love Huron but he isn't exactly expanding his territory or sphere of influence outside his bit of the Maelstrom. True that is probably because he has been sadly ignored outside of some White Scar books; he is still a much better leader than Abaddon though, as his Red Corsairs have to capture most of thier resources and as such are not want to throw them away needlessly (like Abaddon).
After watching this I've committed heresy in thinking abaddon is a better "bad guy"
Horus had arms.
There, video done.
Can we get a video on the difference between Archaon and Abaddon?
There are times that I think Chaos would be cool and I’m tempted to build a Chaos army. Then I see stuff like this and realize, the Imperium isn’t that bad.
There are good (competent) Chaos Legions and the Red Corsairs are one of them. True you don't get a big powerful HQ model that has really good stats (on the table) and instead you get a really old model that is smaller than a standard legionary but lore wise you at least know that tiny little model is competent at his job.
It's my birthday month too you crazy bastard! Happy birthday!
Dispite your efforts, I'm actually a fan of Abbys because of this video, I understand him more. Good vid
Happy birthday Major!
Can u please make a video about imperial ships,great video btw
so a desire for anarchy is the only way to seemingly balance Chao within ones self is what you sound like your saying at the end and it makes sense is this by design in the video if so kudos for the head cannon insight
Just a quick correction: Abbadon took the Talon on his father's corpse after he got deleted by the Emperor. So he got it legit imo. x)
I'm only just now realizing what an amazing tactical failure Cadia would have been under literally almost any other circumstance.
Abaddon takes a Blackstone Fortress - basically an almost-Death-Star, a straight up make planets go away gun if I understand it right - and throws it at a planet. Sacrificing an entire mobile planet-killer that could have gone most anywhere and deleted enemy worlds for him, just to bring down one. If the benefit had been anything less than "the galaxy cracks in half" that's a spectacular level of failure.
The fortress was already destroyed when Phalanx rammed it. He just threw the broken remains at the planet.
Calendar is awesome….my daughters are digging December too lol
I will die on this hill perty would be a better warmaster and lorgar is probably the only person that could unite chaos into an empire that could rival the imperium. I am so confused why gw is having both these awesome characters on the sidelines.
Always a good day when majorkill uploads
"Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away"
Abandon: sees a fortress to take and thinks ‘yeah that should be an easy win’
1 failed taking later
Abbadon: eff it, drop this expensive as heck thing on it.
Also I recommend you do a reaction video to this ruclips.net/video/sq_rih_8Um8/видео.html
What Warhammer 40k faction do you think the Big E rolls for table top? Imma go with the Tau.
happy birthday dude🎂
The part with a Primarchs soul being a bound minor warp god is still entirely speculative.
I don't know much about 40k the actual tabletop game or much of the lord but I learned so much from these videos 😂
I think I’m the only person that genuinely thinks abaddon is cool like yeah there’s been some janky moments but everything in 40k has that
He's 'good' in the black legion books.
@@Sanguinedaydreams agreed that’s probably his best showing but I think genuinely in most lore he’s pretty cool people are over critical of him for a setting with so many just straight up wtf moments usually he’s at least reasonably cool and here is my real controversial take pretty successful I mean dude changed the setting that almost never happens especially when you consider technically 40k lore started before Horus heresy
I love the idea that The Emprah abandoned the crusade to paint minis in his room.
Happy Birth month MajorKill!
Okay, so pretty much my whole understanding of WH40k comes from you. I always thought the eyes over Horus' amour was from chaos. Can you make a vid explaining the iconography of the imperium?
I know right I got all my understanding of 40k and mostly 30k Warhammer frorm a card game I play and major kill also for the mark I think they call it the eye of Horus
Thanks mate. I'll search it up
It's funny how I watched Darth Gandalf's video the other day and now this comes out.
Please do an echoes of eternity video. Especially on the primarch battle
Also please cover the Sabbat worlds crusade
Not gonna lie, I'm loving the constant references to Talos and the Night Lords. The Night Lords Omnibus really gives a whole new facet to the old "edgy goth kids" motiff we're used to, and I'm glad you're spreading the word on it.
So I am relatively new to Warhammer, with most of my experience being through the novels. I haven’t read the Horus Heresy novels yet except for a few character novels, but I have collected a LOT of the Chaos Marine lore. Thus far I’ve read and reviewed the Fabius Bile Trilogy and the Black Legion books, and both were absolutely FANTASTIC writing! I’m kind of eager to start the Horus Heresy series. Would anyone here recommend it?
Read the first 3 books. You can be selective when it comes to the rest as most of it is filler. So just read on which legions or characters intrest you the most.
Holy shit I'm here a minute after it being released sure is a shame I'm in class and don't have my headset-
Hmm i learned something new me and my favorite Warhammer lorenaster Have a same birthmonth neat
With a guy like Abaddon on the reigns, Malice/Malal should be having a field day
Abbadon really comes across as a forced villain. He's *The* big baddie. "Why? What has he done?" While what he's done is impressive, *how* it was done is the issue, hence the "forced villain" feel. The challenges placed before him weren't overcome in a satisfying, interesting and engaging way. How many named villains of this setting must be looked at to get this point across? Unfortunately, I don't think they will change Abbadon much and instead double down.
I can think of no greater insult and shame than this term for a character designed to be *The* "villain." I can't imagine how sad I would be if I wrote a story only to have the great antagonist dunked on for being unlikeable in every narrative sense while simultaneously having high quality villains in the same universe who are surrounded by your fans because, at least in part, these villains are NOT like Abbadon.
Happy belated birthday my guy