How I learn New Loop Tracks
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2019
- Just for fun I used the ditto for this new loop track (amzn.to/2S3bS7y) instead of my usual VL3.
The end result is at 8:39 if you want to skip ahead and just see what I came up with for the track.... buuuut if you do of course you'll be missing the point of what this video is about (which is totally fine though haha).
Oh, and I'm only recording my guitar at any stage, not any vocals just FYI.
Anyway - I hope this helps you create awesome loops and have fun thinking of some new ways and ideas to add to your live shows and loop tracks!
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I still hasn't bought or worked on budget on street busking equipment. I tried some help from my local music shops to no avail.l'm just playing acoustic guitar at home but feel now is the time l should hit the streets and start busking.This is an awesome 👌 video l've been looking for a long time.Well illustrated for a beginner like me!!.Thanks again for the basics,l feel l'm on track and you just inspired me to go out and buy my first ever busking equipment
ah I love hearing this - hope the busking is going well!
Nicely done! I really appreciate these videos, I do basically the same thing but I like the emphasis on building the loop after the song starts. Very well done with the text etc, very helpful!
I appreciate your comment letting me know! :) Glad you enjoyed/appreciated it!
This is so awesome and helpful. Thanks a lot
you're welcome - so glad you enjoyed it!
This was so helpful. Thanks for making these!
Most welcome!
Thank you so much for your tutorials and videos! I love them :)
you're most welcome! 😍
Great stuff David! Thanks for sharing your process!
Cheers Jeremy! And most welcome mate!
Man this fantastic! Thank you for taking the time to breakdown the process in depth! I quit playing for a couple years as I had no one to play with and just bought the Boss RC5. Looking forward to falling in love with playing again and your video are so inspiring. Thank you!
I love this- great job- very inspirational
thank you :)
Fantastic video! Love you explanation and approach, thank you for posting and sharing!
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great dude I will try this too looking forward thanks!! more of these would be cool fair play good luck !!!
Thanks Ronnie! Let me know how you get on 👌 will look at doing some more of this style down the track then eh?
thanks David, just learning this song now, your breakdown has really helped me tackle it , legend!
awesome! Glad it was useful for you 😊
That was great - thanks David
most welcome - glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome! I watched some of your vids and I learn a lot! Thanks! I'm a newbie when it comes to playing with a looper. Hoping to learn more! I hope u can upload more tutorials in the future.
Cheers! Yep i get videos uploaded once a week usually so should be some useful ones amongst em for you! Welcome to the fun world of looping!
Thanks heaps that was very informative. I'll gonna give it a go one of my own bands songs.
sweet! Glad you got some ideas from it! :)
fascinating process. Thank-you very much!
Most welcome!
These videos are awesome. Thank you for sharing your tips. Looping is my latest obsession. I have a pedal for a while but it's only now that I am really getting into it.
best channel about looping, thank you very much 😄
thank you so much! :)
David - thanks for sharing bro! Been really interested in looping for years but I‘ve never been able to figure out just how to approach it. Been binge watching your vids and today a little light went off in my mind. You rock man!
dude I love this - makes me so happy knowing some of this stuff helped you get into playing around more with loops and having fun!
David! Thanks a lot for sharing your amazing gigs. BTW, gigs - It means everything, music, the way you are teaching us, you smile and happy mood. Very nice to watch your videos. U pushed me to buy a looper! Thanks!
Thanks Martin! Have fun with the looper!
Thanks for sharing David - I really appreciate what you do!
Most welcome! Thanks for the comment and appreciation 👌
David if I was in the market for an acoustic guitar to do the live looping thing - which one would you recommend. I looked at the Takamine web page and there is a bewildering selection! Cheers @@davidshanhun
Man, I'm in love with your voice and musicianship. Also, the method and depth you go are sort of unique on RUclips; a real gem, your videos are.
Thanks Norbert! Really appreciate this! :)
very helpful, thank you!!!
yay!
thank you for showing your process its sooo helpful
most welcome :)
It is always enjoyable to watch your videos but it also helps me as a beginner in looping. So thank you !
Thanks so much 😊
You are awesome mister. And so humble. Thank you for your tips.
ah thank you! most welcome for the tips - happy playing!
Ok, something WICKED! Loved the way you analyzed the different parts BEFORE you started looping. Thank you again and thanks for sharing the fun! I've never used the Ditto, just my Boss 20-XL, and now the VLE3.
Glad you enjoyed it! Fun times exploring the looping world eh? :)
I'd love to see tips related to an electric guitar. You're amazing, please make more of these 😁
Thanks Christian! Glad you enjoyed it! Def on my list to do some more breakdowns of tunes!
Great stuff! Pretty much the process I go through to learn a new song. Just have to add in the thinking about how - or IF - looping would work for it. I hear a lot of songs on the radio lately that I'm trying to keep a list going of which ones I think would work well for looping.
Been perusing all your videos and it's a great education on looping. Please keep 'em coming!
Side note: It's always amusing when people talk with a kiwi or British or Australian or any other English accent but then kick into singing with a mostly American accent. hahaha
yeah fully! Somethings are crazy challenging - just got asked to loop Bohemian Rhapsody haha! Glad you're enjoying the videos too mate!
...I LOVE that you posted this btw - I always get asked where I am from!! Singing wise I'm mostly listening to foreign artists, and I think that flows through to my accent sometimes even though speaking it's still much more 'kiwi' than when I sing!
Lovely mate. Particularly like the very last chorus when it broken down a little 👍🏼👍🏼
ah thanks! :)
Really helpful. Having someone explicitly talk through the process I know I do myself is actually really interesting and brings some helpful structure to the process. Keep them coming dude. Lovely guitar playing too and nice tone.
Thanks Ashley! Your set at the Sound House is cool! Where are you based?
@@davidshanhun Thanks - that's my own material - I'm actually a professional wedding singer/guitarist - check out www.ashfrancismusic.co.uk if you have time. I'm based in the UK. Im looking to introduce the looper into my evening set to get more of a part vibe going. The biggest issue I am having is feedback on the vocals. I am considering setting up another mic with an on/off switch to address this. If you have any other tips I would be really grateful!
Thanks David. I am a newbie at looping and I definitely enjoyed the process. I tend to be more of a freelancer and create on the spot, but I can really see that practicing the structure is extremenly important. I have the TC Helicon VoiceLive Touch 2 with the looper and I also have the RC-3 and the RC-300.
hey Igovantes :) I think both are pretty valuable - super nice to just create on the spot also. I tend to practise my format/structure much more when I'm doing specific songs. This one was actually for a wedding, so I wanted to get it really dialed in and pretty much the same each time haha! How do you find the RC-300?
Hello Daid, thank you for this loop. I learned again how easy it is to record a song. If I could only play, sing and use the looper at the same time ..... Thanks for your tutorial. Best regards from Germany
Thanks Opa! I'm glad you found it useful! happy practising! 😊
You had me tapping my foot and smiling..... great video....
Yuss! Cheers Paul!
You are undoubtedly the best teacher and personality I have seen after watching dozens of Guitarists' channels. I agree with John, the commenter that says TC Helicon should hire you to do their commercial/videos. Thank you for your help.
thank you so much ❤️ would be fun to do some vids so who knows - a lot been changing in that company over the last 5 years in the background though eh! Be very curious (like a lot of us), to see if there's ever a Voicelive 4 or similar product created down the track haha!
David tip of the hat for what you do for the looping community. You open doors for this ol geezer in using my RC300 with your thoughtful tutorials. thanks man
Thanks so much for the comment I really appreciate that! I'm so glad that the videos are useful and you're enjoying them AND getting to experiment more with the RC300 because of it. this is awesome!
Niceee thanks man, have a great day!
Thanks! You too!
Nice very professional
Really valuable man. Just upgraded from a Jamman to the RC300 and I have found I need to be a tad more structured to create the dynamics possible with this unit.
Appreciate your honesty, humility and humour!
Cheers from a fellow kiwi.
Hey Nick! Curious how you are finding the RC300 just getting started on it. I was 98% close to buying one last night haha! I think it is going to happen...
David Shanhun hey man. Gotta say it’s great. Setting up templates with a lower recording volume is important. The on board bass effect is average but you have that covered.
I’m going to set up the fix switch as mic record off so I choose when to loop vocals or not. If that doesn’t do what I think it does then I’ll get a mic splitter (talk box) so I can go direct to the mic pre or choose to loop the vocal.
My issue with buying one now is it must be at the end of its product life cycle and I’m sure there will be a better version at NAMM 2020 but ah well...
in short it’s great for what we do man.
Love your work dude.
Enjoying your videos and wonder if you could make one about the gear you use?
it's been on my mind actually! Watch this space :)
Another excellent video, David. Cheers!
Very nice arrangement. And great use of your OC-3 (I'm making a mental note to myself to tweak mine and use it more).
Thanks! Haha is your OC3 hiding in a cupboard getting dusty somewhere atm? 🤔
@@davidshanhun Thanks for the reply. Not stuck in a cupboard, but I hardly use it. I would use it much more if I could get it to sound cleaner. At the moment it often sounds dirty and distorted unless I turn down the treble on my Takamine's onboard pre-amp. If I do that I can play bass lines on the lower strings but don't get an acceptable guitar sound on the other strings. My guess is that the OC-3 is very sensitive to the quality of the input signal and piezo pickups don't give a clean signal (compare a piezo pickup to putting a mike in front of the guitar and you can easily hear the slightly harsh metallic sound from the piezo).
Your OC-3 sounds fine on that Bruno Mars number while you are playing all six strings. I assume that you set yours to POLY. What are your other settings?
Keep the videos coming, it's all good stuff!
@@eekamoose hmmm that's interesting that you get a distorted sound from the pickup :( might be a silly question, but have you tried having a lower overall volume on your guitar that's going into the oc3? Just in case somehow your guitar is genuinely sending too much signal for it? just a thought although I'm sure you've tried this most likely!
Yes - set to Poly, I go through all my specific settings for the OC3 in this video if you haven't seen it - ruclips.net/video/nuHHrEDVF30/видео.html. Maybe that will help you get a better sound from it or some ideas to try.
I find with anything that does bass it can be quite fiddly to get sounding good, and even with the octave I use from the VL3, I have to be SUPER clean to get a nice sound from it or it just ends up really odd (and not pleasant haha). Be curious to know if you get a good sound from the OC3 by being really really careful to play just one note (and muting all other strings). If you can get a good sound doing that from one note, it might help your problem solving journey with the issues you mentioned about the piezo pickup etc. Sorry if it sounds like a silly thing to try (or that you already have), that's just my go to option to kind of troubleshoot stuff like this as it makes it easier to hear exactly what's going on with the Octave doubling process!
@@davidshanhun Thanks very much for the long reply, David! Your idea that the signal from the guitar might be too hot gave me a new idea. I know that my OC3 tracks much more cleanly when I turn down the treble on my Takamine's pre-amp -- I've always assumed that backing off the treble gives the OC3 a smoother waveform which is easier to process. I'm going to try turning down the treble a little on my pre-amp upstream of the OC3 and boosting treble downstream of the OC3. I'll do some experimenting and tweaking and post back here if I find settings that give me an improvement.
By the way, which model Takamine do you use in these videos, and which pre-amp do you have sitting in it? Is it a TK40 pre-amp? Your Takamine/OC3 setup sounds really sweet in your videos. I'm pretty confident that I can get my nice Japanese Takamine PTU508 to sound as good, I just need to find the sweet spot!
Nice! Hope the tweaking and experimenting is going well :) My Takamine is an old ND 15c, with the AD1 preamp/pickup. Don't think they're particularly around anymore, but I'm sure with tweaking you can get a nice sound that you like from your gear! :)
Great video.
thanks Dave!
Great performance
Thanks! :)
Lovely loop example
Thanks Stephen 👌
awesome
Wow this is so inspirational you are now my template! lol
ah thanks! Hope this helps you create some cool loops and tunes!
Thanks!
Alex! Thank you very much for this - very kind and much appreciated thank you brother!
Smart way to loop I’m learning a lot from you
yay! Have fun experimenting with it all!
Pretty cool. Thats a good technique even though I don't know any Bruno Mars songs. You are keeping it relatively simple, and it works well on an acoustic. I have only looped with my electric guitars, but I am gonna start messing around with an acoustic with my loopers. Thanks for posting.
Thanks Jonathan! Biggest thing I enjoy with the acoustic looping is being able to get the percussive sounds from the guitar body! Possible on electric still but have to be a bit creative I think. My fav is Paul David's 7 fun looping songs at 5:44 where he uses the cash for his rhythm sound haha.
Tried tapping rhythm on my acoustic to loop over. It actually worked pretty well. I am put more effort in it next time and see what happens.
So helpful 😀
😊
Hello David,
thanks for your loop videos. I find it very clearly structured what you show us and to be quite honest, with this song you have shown (at least to me) that you can really sing well.
What interests me is what kind of microphone you have in the middle of it. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Greetings
Jürgen
Hi! Thanks for the feedback and comment it's much appreciated! The microphone is an Aston Origin - amzn.to/3bVUzND - I really like it 😊
Thanks David for your really, really instructive videos. I love them!
Can you please tell me which app is running on your iPad 😉
thanks!
hey Gernot! Glad you've been enjoying the videos! I've been using the ultimate -guitar app on my ipad for handy access to lyrics and chords etc. Super handy at a show to be able to search and learn something on the fly, or have scrolling lyrics for a one-off song etc.
@@davidshanhun Thanks for your response! Yes, the Ultimate-Guitar App is really usefull. I can recommend it to every guitarist as well. Have a nice day and happy looping ;-)
@@fotowue thanks! You too! 👌
Very useful. BTW, keep your ditto box for when (not if) it gets bricked.
haha thanks! Yep... Ditto x4 comes with me to gigs (at least in the car). You just never quite know when the VL3 might throw a tantrum!
I am just getting into looping and your videos are so helpful. You rock David! I already have the Ditto 4x and now looking for an octave pedal. I see that you are using the OC-3 in this vid. Do you recommend it or prefer another octave pedal? I would appreciate your perspective.
I really like the OC-3 for it's option to have bass and guitar at the same time - with only the bass strings doubling as the octave (you set the range on the pedal). As a stand alone octave pedal, it's pretty good, although there are a lot of options that I haven't tried... The POG's are rated really highly in general although I haven't owned one myself - could be another option though - amzn.to/3awg0nS
Totally inspired to do this with some songs! Thanks for the great detail
yay! That's the best thing I can hear! Hope you come up with some cool loops! :)
Brilliant tutorial. Thanks bud really appreciate these. Please do more. 👍🏻👍🏻 I see you using the X4 how are you finding it.
Thanks Wallace glad you enjoyed this! Liking the x4, nice to use a loop pesal where the buttons are always the same haha! (Not like the different screens etc on the VL3!). Have you tried the x4?
David Shanhun I was toying with the idea of getting one but I read up so many guys having unusual problems with them. So I opted for a RC 30 as I have the VL3 also and my main looper for work is the RC 300. So I needed a looper for home as I leave my gear locked up in London at the gig as I play six times a week. But I really like the look of the X4. Idea the stop button act as an all stop or do you have to hit it twice.
Interesting to hear! Ive only had great reports about the ditto (but obviously not the vl3 haha!). Makes sense to have a looper at home as well mate, great to have things set up ti just jump in and practise with. Im veery glad for the stop all button with one tap/hit. Makes things super simple. I would actually prefer though the instead of the 4th button being fx, that it was a ‘start all’ button! Buuuut i’ll keep hoping for a new version with all the bits i want in it eh?!
David Shanhun yea so true. I always have never understood why so many loopers lack the all start and stop button. And why so many loopers just keep coming out as single track. I need two minimum. 🤣🤣 but then again I am a gear slut totally. I see gear and I want tit. Now I’m heading to Canada next week to visit my daughter and I’m hoping to pick up a Godin Nylon multiac thin body guitar. Just love the nylon string vibe. More money 🙄. Oh well why not. Ha ha. Have a great weekend bud and please do more vids.
@@davidshanhun How difficult can it be to remap the Stop button to have an all start function when stopped in a future Firmware update? I don't see it being too hard to do.
Love you the best man..May I ask which looper of the 3 you favor best.I have 2 out of the 3 you use..not a ditto....yet
My favourite is definitely the boss Rc-300. The scope of having that 3rd channel is amazing. 👌
I keep on saying that you are fantastic! You are using the «sync»mode of the ditto obviously by adding overdubs in one loop?
It would have been even better to see in a corner of the screen your feet movs at the same time, maybe for the next time ?
Thank you for sharing, «you are amazing, just like the way you are»!😃
Thankyou!! Can do this is any mode of the dittox4 seeing as we are just using the one track. Once you’ve recorded a loop just click the same button again and it records whatever you play overtop of the original loop! 👌will aim to add in feet next time, thats why i added the text this time though haha! Useful to see everything all at once though i do understand!
i do all this thank you for sharing wicked! i am holging a pug puppy so only have one hand to type
great way to watch videos haha! 😊
Clap,clap, and more clap!
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Hi David, thanks heaps for the videos. In the first loop, how do you get the base line without having to record a separate loop? I have a VL3X. Thanks.
Hi Karl - if you watch at 1:45 or so in the video - you can see my right hand picking the bass note of each chord with my thumb while I play the main riff with my fingers. That's all just the acoustic guitar sound, no effects or anything for the first loop. Hope that helps!
Your videos are always so unique - you’re going to get a lot of subscribers. I’m good at picking the ones who’ll make it! Stay consistent and you’ll be at 100K before you know it.
I’ve seen you use an iPad for lyrics when live like in this video. What app do you use?
Keep showing looper techniques. VL3 uses will lead to more unique content and probably some sponsorship. Just stay consistent (1 video per week, preferably on the same day of the week).
Man thanks for this comment Jeffrey! Appreciate it. I actually use the ultimate guitar tab app for lyrics. Sometimes it has heaps of odd chords, but i’ve usually learnt the chords already and just like how easy it is to scroll with that app plus change the speed or size of text. Not all tunes have the full lyrics though which is a downside sometimes...
I have Ultimate Guitar’s app(s) too - they’re great. What I’m searching for is an app that scrolls the lyrics for live use. They have their Autoscroll mode but it’s never the right speed and it can’t jump back and forth for the chorus, etc.
Hey - just saw your touring announcement. Congratulations! Consider me a fan rooting for you!
Yes that's true - they won't jump back and forth for chorus parts etc, so sometimes can be better to find one with the wrong chords etc or that's unpopular, where the person has written out all the words/choruses/repeats in full and in order. You can change the scrolling speed, and font size if that helps. Other than that I did use On Song for a while, but that was quite a long time ago. Maybe something you're familiar with already or could look at if not?
Thanks for the tour support! Been a LONG time since I hit the road and I'm really looking forward to it. Will be some video's from there as well Im sure :)
In my previous life (I'm retired now), I was an app developer. I sometimes think of writing an app now that listens to what you're playing to find the beat and then scrolls based on the real timing of measures of lyrics along with understanding the structure of the song to move back and forth for the chorus, DS al coda, etc.
that'd be an awesome app! There's voice recognition software that should easily enough be able to keep up with what you're singing eh?
Hi, I notice you are using the X4, how do you compare the X4 and the Voicelive? I am interested as I've been using the X4 for about a week now and feel I'm getting to grips with it but there are some things I'm not completely happy about.
biggest thing I miss using the x4 versus the VL3 is that 'start all' button that you can map with the VL3 to start loops A+B at once. Otherwise from the looping side I'm happy as with the x4. I don't use many of it's fx options unfortunately - what I would want for fx really isn't there haha!
cool Joe Satriani guitar strap. nice job.
Thanks Stephen!
Dear David , have been following you for a while and was almost sure that I would pick the TC Helicon voicelive but since you had issues now I'm not sure . Which looper pedal should I pick up instead ? Waiting for your reply . greetings from India !!
Hi Utsav! It's a tough decision haha! What do you want your loop pedal to do - how many channels and inputs do you need? There's a lot of options! I think the Voicelive 3 is still a really good option, but yes... it can have a lot of issues still! Let me know what you are needing and i'll suggest what I think might work. Mostly though - do a bunch of reading and research online too!
Have you been getting some inspiration from Paul David's videos for the funky little edits? Lol sounds good mate 😁😁
I have watched quite a few Paul David's videos! Not that I was aware of for the video edits haha, I've been watching Matti Haapoja and Peter McKinnon heaps for video inspiration though! :) I'm a baby filmmaker though haha!
@@davidshanhun I followed and tagged you in an insta video which is uploading. Be interested to hear your thoughts 😊
@@AidanMooreacoustic off to check it now :)
I love your videos. I have a question. Well 2 actually. Do you have it set to record a certain number of bars? And do you use quantisation? Thanks 👍
Hey Joel, thanks man! With both the ditto and the voicelive 3 you dont need to set any bars ever - it picks up what you’re doing and syncs the next loop with it. Occasionally if i’m really out with start/stop timing of a second loop it gets only half of it as a loop, but that can easily just be rerecorded. Very different system to the boss loopers. Is that what you have? And no, no quantisation - tried that with a friends boss and it was horrible haha!
I should say the reason quantisation was horrible for me was - it took half a second for it's quantisation 'brain' to work, so it meant if you recorded your loop and played it straight away, it would never start perfectly in time as it had to do it's half a second of thinking first. If you recorded the loop and stopped it, and then started it, it gave it time to figure out it's quantisation and then was fine - just didn't work for me for live shows! hope that explains it better!
@@davidshanhun Hey, yeah that's super helpful! I'm actually very new to looping. I've been learning how to get setup with Ableton. So I'm using Ableton with its built in looper and a soft step 2. It's great fun, I was just struggling with the use of quantisation and whether to set the bars or not. With Ableton I can have X amount of bars with one looper and set it with others. I'm not so sure I can make the other loopers match the length of my first one.
Your videos have really been helping me understand how to loop though! Especially this one. I did wonder whether people worked out what they would do with each part of the song before they do it.
@@GoodGameUK cool! Can be a bit of a process to get set up with something that works for you eh? Really glad these videos have been useful to you - thanks for letting me know - makes me happy! :)
is there any footage of the wedding, would like to see how things turned out (:
I suspect the couple have video of some format somewhere but sorry to say that I don't have it!
i like random twiddling...in the states we call it noodling, but that can be more than one meaning....
haha love it! 😉
dam you still play it high up on the third or are you in E Flat ? Cool Vid never thought about looping this one !
haha really should watch the whole vid before commenting
Hahaha! Eb, then play it in C yeah. So its actually in B!
Thumbs Up!!! 2020
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super super super....
Thanks 😊
I never thought to use an iron 8:00 with my acoustic. I thought it would be too heavy metal. hehehe
haha. I'm tempted to see if I can include it in the creation of a loop now. 'how to turn any track into heavy metal...'
What Mike are you using it is so far away from your face and sounds awesome
Hey Dan, it's the Aston Origin. I really like it!
Such a pure sound Dave
Would you mind sharing what device is recording your presentation? I use an iPad with an apogee mic
@davidshanhun thank you! Anytime you want to visit the southshore of Boston my wife and I would welcome a visit . We have two extra bedrooms and a Music studio
No harm in transposing make it fit you
yep that's what I do for most songs!
I bought a baritone guitar for that reason
There is a fly in your video ;)
haha no flies in this one lol. But the previous one..... 😂😂
@@davidshanhun yes...but he is no ordinary fly....he is ninja fly...invisible, stealthy ;) he was there I bet you...they are always there watching...waiting
@@jeanetterapson9265 haha a ninja fly eh? hmmmm. so long as he doesn't carry a little ninja fly blade on him i'm good with that!
@@davidshanhun hahaha na he had a guitar cuz he is ur biggest fan and wants to b like u...ok on a more serious note....great vid! Pretty fly for a white guy..
hehe thanks!
First!
Nailed it 👌