Is the Roush Stage 3 Better than the Shelby GT500?
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2023
- I give you a full review of the Roush stage 3 supercharged Mustang and compare it to the Shelby GT500. Both cars make about the same amount of power and look fantastic and unique. Which car would you rather have?
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Problem with the Roush is when it comes to to sell or trade. There is no listing for that vehicle so you start negotiating at GT Premium pricing.
I agree with that, but anyone buying a Roush should already know what they are looking at.
Very true statement which is bad for people selling cause will limit the market only to people that know what they are looking for.
I had a 2018 Roush but mine was a manual stage three and that car rocked!
Agree, 17 owner here, love my car, Ruby Red, 6 spd. 7,200 mi., just a fun car to drive on sunny days.
I like the Roush Stage 3 over the GT 500 I currently own a Stage 3 and have owned a Gt 500.
what's the price difference between the two?
Which gt500?
Yea which gt500 did u on. 5.4 5 8 or the 5.2. I'm sure it makes a difference.
@@scarface9617gt500 has a better drivetrain. Better motor and can handle way better around turns I’m sure he was lying
@@danielarroyo7550 I disagree with better drivetrain because the RS3 has 750hp (only 10 less than the GT500) but the RS3 has 670ft/lbs (GT500 only has 620. The GT500 has to run higher RPMs more for consistent power delivery where as the RS3 does not. Lastly, I know 3 owners of GT500's and 2 of them have already had engine issues and needed replacement. As far as handling, I believe they are comparable. Just my thoughts though. Both cars are awesome.
Honestly if you have the money the 2020+ GT500 is the one to get. I may be a bit biased but it looks and sounds better to me. Plus it's more special. Just something about a Shelby. I'm sure the Roush is a lot of fun too though so I don't suppose there is a wrong choice here.
100% agree. GT500 is such a beast that sticks to the road in the twisties
I would take the GT500 for sure... I live near Tindol Ford and see A LOT of Roush cars on the streets. They look great, sound great and I have no doubt they perform great.. but the way that GT500 looks and sounds is just hard to beat.
We must live close to one another lol, I know where you are talking about and I agree with you 100%. Mt. Holly here, hope to see you around some time!
I’m near there too! My first wife worked at Tindol Ford in the late 90s.
@@pchappy2.0 I’m just south of you 🍻
@@chopdogrulz1337 I like to roll through the lot occasionally when I’m at Gastonia Dodge. It’s a small world sometimes.
Don’t ever buy from them. They’re crooks. My dad ordered a gt500 from them. They lied to him telling him it was on parts hold when they never actually sent his order and tried to keep his deposit
This is officially a Mustang channel now I love it he’s got a 2020 TwinTurbo and he’s got a dark horse on order on the way 👍🏻
A Beautiful and quick Stang. When it comes to building a Mustang and fantastic Ford engines. Roush Performance builds some great Mustangs and F150 pickups. His Ford/Mercury racing legacy goes back to 1985. His Trans Am Mustangs won 119 races and 24 championship. His Nascar team began racing in 1988 with his involvement with Nascar that still continues today with new co owner Brad Keselowski. The American flags on the Roush Mustang is to say thanks to members of our military. Thanks for the ride along RacerX.
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My wife has wanted a Shelby or a Roush since forever. We looked at both and love them both. But she really loves some of the other touches Roush has and Shelby’s don’t. She now has a 2021 Stage 3 that she is over the moon about.
As a Shelby owner! I think it’s something I would definitely consider if doing it all over! Both are nice, the Shelby has a greater following, but the Roush is getting there! Resale value is where the Shelby pulls it out! But I personally, wouldn’t mind owning one of these stage 3’s!❤️❤️❤️Thanks Sir
I own a Shelby as well and they aren't comparable at all. Wouldn't ever consider a roush after being in my friends. horrible tbh.
I will keep my 13 Trinity (with easy mod's). Never seen the back of a Roush on the street.
The drivetrain in the Roush or Shelby 5.0 mustangs just can’t compare to the drivetrain in the GT500’s. The 5.2 is incredibly stout and the DCT is unbeatable from a drivability perspective. I love me a 10 speed auto but other than for drag racing after having 10 speed fully built is only when it shines over the DCT.
You should do a video on why the coyote engine can handle so much compared to other engines in its class
Double over head cam, just breathes better and responds very well to mods. Compared to its competitors which carry 6.2l pushrod v8, old technology
The 10 speed is nice, But the DCT in the Shelby is a whole different animal, it’s a game changer. I think it’d still be a good bit faster…
Sucks the DCT isn't tunable though.
@The Fitness Life from what I've seen people were running 8 second passes on stock trans and I think north of 1200hp
@@leopapio683 Yeah sounds about right, in order to run 8s in the gt500 you need to be making around 1200whp. The DCTs suck at launching and really holds them back and you can't tune them, they usually have bad 60 foots. But 10r80 coyotes have hit 8s with 950whp+
@@thefitnesslife4988 I mean 8 seconds pass is still 8 seconds lol
But you 100% right, but I also think that delay is the reason the stock trans can handle those power levels without a tune.
That's the biggest reason I haven't touch my HC lol that and the transfer case are weak points.
But the gt500 I might do a 1000whp build
@@thefitnesslife4988 cuz Furd is trash 🤣🤣🫵🏽🫵🏽🫵🏽🫵🏽
Shelby and Roush are cool, but I’ve always liked the Saleen Mustangs. No doubt Shelby is historic and Roush is legendary. The S550 Saleen is beautiful
Spot on my dude!! All time favorite is a '95 and '99 S351 baby!
Saleen’s are special!❤️❤️
What a nice looking car! I really love the black and red interior. It just pops! The exhaust note sounds pretty good. That supercharger gives you more low end punch. I think I would be more of a supercharger kinda guy than turbo. I think it's a good combo that adds that missing punch from an NA 5.0. I'll take it! Great video buddy!
I wish I could’ve afforded a Roush, but I got 22GT PP Mischievous purple. I especially love the boost and I wish Ford would’ve put the switch for our active exhaust like Roush so we don’t have to go through the entire computer on screen and reset every time etc
The Roush tune is extremely conservative for the warranty, the vmp tune for the Roush gets a ton more out of it
I got a 21 stage 3 love it thanks great video bro
Great review, so many interpretations of power when it comes to the Mustangs!
18+ Roush blowers have a super bad tendency to heat soak, and they are also MAP sensor based and not MAF sensor. I know Lund won’t tune them because of that and the blower is just inefficient.. if you really want a Roush get an 11-17 RS3 with the 2.3 blower. It’ll make plenty of power and it whips up instantly, you also don’t have to worry about the heat issues anywhere near as bad as a 18+
I have a 21 with the Roush supercharger kit stage two 750 hp I remember hearing something about the stage one had heat problems but I didn’t hear anything about the stage to have any problems because they upgraded the intercooler
@@haileyandcasey4723 heat exchanger and inter cooler will help it, but the main thing is if I can’t get Lund to tune it I don’t care about it.
I think an interchiller would sort out any heat soak issues with this blower. I put one on my Whippled 10R80 GT got another 46whp just from the cold air alone.
@@CoyoteAUS it does but it’s a hassle, it’s a flawed design from the factory that Roush never really addressed. Whipple is also way more efficient, those new 3.0’s and 3.8’s are wild.
Heat Soak was indicative to 2018 to mid 2019.
In mid 2019, Roush incorporated the LTR (low temperature radiator) aka a larger more efficient heat exchanger & might have changed the pump..but not sure about the pump.
I know this to be true from email conversations with Roush.
I own a later year 2019 with the larger heat exchanger and have low IAT (inlet air temperature)
The 2650 supercharger has a 170 degree twist on the two lobes as opposed to the 2.3L, which has a 160 degree twist, thus making the 2650 more efficient and the 2650 also has a more robust bearing than the 2.3L supercharger.
This was a cool review to see. I honestly started following and watching your channel because I have a challenger widebody hellcat redeye on order. I bought a rs3 in 21 and absolutely still love the car being I got mine with a 6 speed manual. Anyways, awesome review!
Thats pretty cool! I’ve never seen one of those… what are they asking for it? Another spectacular upload brother🤘💰
Im about to install a Roush Stage 3 in my 2017 GT Convertible. I cant wait...
Thanks Racer, I have the same color 17 Roush Stage 3 with 6spd. Love my car now with just 7,200 mi. of sunny day driving. Almost bought a 21 GT500 but that $2,600 gas guzzler tax was outrageous.
I have a 13' GT test mule from Roush, they owned it 34mo.'s. I've got it its flawless has 9,800mi. Supercharged 6spd I've had it dyno'd/tuned at Brenspeed twice my son has a 21'gt also Supercharged 10spd we're gonna run thus yr at the dragstrip. He may get me but both are promised 10's by brenspeed.
I go by Flammer all the time. Gonna have to check that ride out.
Love that dealer. I bought my Expedition from them and had the best experience I have ever had at a dealer there. I was just thinking today that I might wanna trade it back to them towards a mustang
Incredible car. I want you to know that some of your stats are wrong. This car is not a stage 3. It is actually a 2020 Jack Roush Special Edition. One of 60 in America. It makes 775hp, not 750. It also does a 10.4 quarter mile. Love the vids tho!
I'm a sucker, would still want the Shelby. I'd only ever be going the speed limit, okay maybe 20 over on the highway sometimes. Power isn't completely important. But the Shelby... that thing looks cool.
I know you can't give that car all it has with street tires. I have the 750 Roush tune on my 18 and even with drag radials, it will sometimes fishtail at a 70mph punch. Anything under 50mph forget it
Love wm all can't beat Mustangs! Ordering a '24 Mustang GT w/track pack /6spd manual. 💯
Not sure if it was mentioned already but that Jack Roush Edition makes 775hp rather than 750. I love them. Five star Ford Dallas had one I looked at no less than 10 times. So bad ass.
That’s a beautiful Mustang and it sounds awesome!!! With all that torque it would be a fun daily driver. It really looks great in that Red metallic paint and nice rims.
I ordered a Dark Horse also on the 6th. I plan to put long tube headers & a Whipple super-charger on it and preserve my Porsche Turbo S and make my Dark Horse & F-150 my daily vehicles. Thank you for showing us this fantastic Roush Mustang 5.0!!!!!
Putting a Whipple on a Dark Horse. Nice. When are you supposed to receive the Dark Horse?
@@tyarnold4088 my son owns a Ford dealership; that was the only way that I was able to secure the order without paying a ADM price. I ordered it on 6 April and he said not to expect it prior to after November. So realistically in January or February.
@@gordydexter2615 nice. It will be worth the wait. Dark Horse with a Whipple is going to be a special car.
Beautiful car. If it had a manual that would be a plus for my taste, as compared to the GT500. Also - unless you’re buying to keep it forever, Roush doesn’t hold value as well as the Shelby.
Never been a Ford enthusiast, but I do admire the Mustang. My choice will be the Shelby if I had the choice.
This is not a 2020 Stage 3. It's called a Roush Edition Mustang which was a very limited run Roush during 2020. It only came in that color combination and was a better all around car than the Ford built GT500.
Interesting.. all of the paperwork said it was a 2020 Roush Stage 3 car.. mods listed and all.
The badging is the give away. Plus the dash plaque also shows that it is a Jack Roush Edition which is comparable to a Stage 3 but is not.
Yes this is JRE. I have one actually serial number 1. Of 60 ish cars made and Roush advertises 775 HP. I also have a 22 gt500 The 500 is a raw aggressive car the Roush is just comfortable and feels like you could drive for days. Both great cars
@@mikebutler8043 does your Roush have the variable lift spoiler wing?
I remember reading about the Jack Roush Edition w/775hp & variable wing
Speaking of your car, did you ever get any clean runs at the track? You are doing a good job reviewing vehicles but I sure would like to see you racing again.
I believe the Shelby retains its value better plus if you get a manual you get the trash MT82 in the Roush
The plastic Paddle Shifters pads are better in California when it's 116° F. It they're metal expect blisters. I also never cared about the Supercharger Whine... I like the Roar better and hearing the exhaust. In August 2022 I bought the only White V8 Mustang with the 3rd Pedal 6 Speed Manual Transmission in all of California. It is my 2022 Roush Mustang with the S/N:22.0001.450R 👦👍🏎🏁🚩⛰️🌲🏞🧗Magneride Suspension is Awesome in the Canyon Roads
Also the heat extractors are functional on the hood and fenders, has extra cooling for the engine and supercharger in the bottom front two vents on the fascia
Has a transmission cooler, and diff cooler
I Still Like the 2018 - 2023 ///Headlights to the 2024 Headlights.
I'm patiently waiting for roush to do a supercharger for the 2024 mustang. There's a Ford dealership less than an hour away from me that's roush certified and I'd love to order a new GT and have the dealership install a supercharger for me. Best bang for your buck if you ask me plus it's all warrantied.
@9:19 Yea you can take it to California, but it might be illegal to drive in track mode out there lol
Roush are nice but if you're looking for resale down the road, Shelbys hold their value a Lot better than Roush and Saleen, based on personal experience.
I feel the heat soak from here!! I don't really think these 2 should be compared honestly. I feel like Roush is just a couple notches below the Shelby. Not to mention the DCT trans is just a far better trans over the 10r80.
This is actually the Jack Roush Edition Mustang, with only 60 vehicles made. Funny that the dealership lists it as a standard Mustang GT. Not sure it will go up in value, but it's priced similarly to 2020 GT500s on the market. ($75,000)
I'll the this one over the 500 because of the supercharged coyote and. The torque numbers are so much higher on this Roush , shows how it would absolutely walk away from the shelby.
Beatiful car and the exhaust sounds great but I'll take the GT500.
Does the interior come in other colors than red? As far as the exterior goes?
I wonder what will happen when Rouch gets their hands on one of those Bronco Raptors like the one behind you at the end of the video.
Love my stage 3 😁
nice reveiw shelby is a crank flat engine a whole different beasr with different internals
Jack has a NHRA background. It wasn't until 1988 when he got into NASCAR. ? for IMSA class w/ the Motorcraft Mustang w/ Scott Pruett. Carroll was a road course driver / builder. So do you want to fast in a straight line or an oval or road course ?
I love my roush stage 3 phase 3.
How much is the roush 3 compared to gt 500 and also compared to your car what you got in it
Nice car but the Roush blower for 18- current Mustangs is the worst boost option for a Gen 3 coyote.
For the money difference and availability the Roush/Saleen are the better buy.. but the GT500 is the cream of the crop no doubt.
The DCT in the Shelby is a great selling point over the Roush 10-speed but when was the last time you saw a new Shelby on a road course instead of a car show? The Shelby is probably a better investment plus you get to be a member of that "exclusive Shelby club" (little sarcasm here) Both are great Mustangs.(RACERX#99 EST, 1993)
I'd love to see a Holman-Moody Mustang. You can bet that nothing on that car would be there for cosmetic appeal.
I own a 2021 Roush and a 2022 GT500, I enjoy the GT500 more. Roush puts a few options on that the Shelby doesn’t have but the overall driving experience goes to the GT500.
Is the 750hp achieved on 91 octane?
GT500s & Roush cars are special
Not sure if I missed it but why not go over te pricing??
I think you should buy that one in stead the Dark Horse you order.
Those hood vents are heat extraction for summertime and used for cold air intake in cold weather lol
@patluxor2482 your completely lost lol
@patluxor2482 you own one if so you should notice holes in the hood for something lol
@patluxor2482 nope just own one
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Absolutely beautiful car but it's kinda in that gray area where it has the power but won't hold the value Like the gt500 and being over 73k that too close to a used gt500 which everyone would probably choose over a gt with a roush package you can definitely do it for cheaper and faster with a premium gt so it doesn't really add up to go this route
750 hp is just on the crank, people need to start advertising BHP. it should be 640 hp on the wheels.
I put the stage 2 on my 19 gt premium and it spanks a gt500. Haven't lost a race yet to one
But does Jack sign the glove box ?
I wonder if Roush does anything to the 10r80?
Is it 750 HP from the factory ?
Yes, it's 750hp straight from Roush. The car is a complete rebuild as Roush strips down the base GT and completely rebuilds it. It is not a GT with just a supercharger. RacerX completely downplays just how special Roush cars are.
@@davidgoesbowling8959 is the Rouch a Tuning company that belongs to Ford? do you order this Rouch straight from Ford Dealership or do you order just a base model GT and then you send it to Roush Company?
@Ready On 3 Roush Performance is a company who owns the SVT contract for Ford. To purchase a Roush Mustang or F-150 as they do both, you must find an authorized/certified Ford dealer as Roush only allows certified dealerships to sell their products. I hope this answers your question?
@Ready On 3 to order a Roush you would visit an authorized dealer and go from there. Tindol Roush Performance in Gastonia, NC is where I purchased my Stage 3 Trak Pak from as they have the largest on hand inventory in the states. If the build you want is not available, they will be able to give you options.
@@davidgoesbowling8959 Got you , thanks
1. If close, I am always going with factory power over a tuner
2. Roush Mustangs never perform at the level of their claimed HP
ROUSH all the way
The Roush is better than a Saleen or Shelby America Super Snake.
In December 2022 I viewed a Video of Steve Saleen saying he Starts with the BASE GT.
Which Means it Doesn't have what my 2022 Roush Mustang with the
3rd Pedal Rev-Match 6 Speed Manual
MagneRide Suspension
Limited Slip Intercooled Torsen Rear Differential
My Roush has 16.5 inch Brake Rotors with a Footlong Brembo Brake System
( Steve Saleen said his Rotors are 15 inches.
It is an Up-Tuned Mach1 Handling Pack, that Said I double Checked and was disappointed to find out it is what Shelby America does too. Unless you take a Doner Afterwards
I want it. 🤓😍
How well do the v8 chargers, challengers, mustangs and/or Camaros fare as year round daily drivers? My family seems to think that in order to have a sports car I’d have to get an awd beater in addition, but i feel like I could get away with just a muscle car with the proper tires
I had a Charger Scatpack for years with two small kids and it had more than enough room for everyone
I have a Scat Challenger Widebody, and I drive it in everything but snow. It’s perfectly fine in the rain. The people who say they aren’t either have crap tires or, more likely, are flogging the car through downpours, ponding, etc. In anything resembling normal driving, you’re good to go in the rain.
@@PeterSchultzHFH I’m asking cause I eventually want to get a newer muscle car than what I have now, but my family thinks that in order to get one I would also need a beater. I’m trying to figure out if winter tires on it would be fine or if it’s better to get something like a Honda civic si or type r
@@shaundemarco4657 If you get a Widebody, there really are no winter tire options. For the last two years, Tire Rack had only one winter tire in 305s, a Pirelli, for $750 each one year and $1000 the next. Might as well buy a beater rather than spend $4000 on winter tires. So if you really need to drive in snow regularly during the winter, a Scat Pack may not be right for you - or you need a beater, like your family says.
@@PeterSchultzHFH even a newer charger or challenger rt?
Racer X is going over to the Dark side. LOL
What's the msrp
Thats actually not a regular stage 3, thats a special edition roush called the jack roush edition 1 of 60 and it makes 775 hp
That blower is horrible with heat soak issues and a weak tune. It's a 5.0 with stock internals. The 500 is the way to go, or get a base gt then boost it.
My guess straight line the Shelby wins the roush mustang with Jack loving road coarse racing i think it would beat the gt500 on a road coarse
Roush is cool but nothing will hold its value like a Shelby. Unless the Roush is significantly cheaper than a Shelby then it would worth getting it.
Check out a Steeda Mustang.
The real question is how would it stack up against my Mach 1?
It would destroy it !! I have an 18 Jackhammer..710 hp 6 speed..BUTT..you have the perfect car to build..Put a stage 2 Roush Supercharger on it for 10 Grand
@@claywinestm seriously? It would really outperform my Mach 1? I thought my car was quick.
You should cancel your Black Horse and get the COBRA coming out.
The Shelby is the better buy. Shelby’s are factory vehicles, Roush mustangs are aftermarket options. Roush mustangs are very cool cars but the Shelby is going to retain more value. I would take a saleen black label if you want something aftermarket. Saleen changes a lot more on the car and they’re impossible to replicate. The parts on their builds aren’t normally sold
But for the money. I get one. But the 6 speed
I BOUGHT THE 2022 SHELBY COBRA GT500, I think its the better choice overall, for the $$
Fact is: GT500 has their fanboys who think its the ultimate Mustang. The problem with the GT500 is no TCM access. Meaning you can't tune the Transmission. So even after you spend $100K to make it 1500HP, its still going to be slower than a 1000HP GT. Why? No TCM access. People can go ahead and get mad, but its verifiable fact.
Facts
Unless they fixed it that front feed Roush SC has bad heat soak problems... Car looks nice but no thanks with that SC.
The one main drawback over a Shelby - insurance value. The Roush has a GT VIN, so insurance might not give you the full Roush cost if totaled, whereas a GT500's VIN says what it is and you'll get that value out of it in a totaled-out situation.
Wrong. Insure it with the right company. Mine is listed as a Roush Stage 3 on policy.
How much?
some peoples auto insurance for those kinds of cars costs up to or more then 20k/year.
Not on a built 5.0 because the blower is dealer installed and no one in the insurance business knows its that hp .My 2018 Roush is 710 hp, full 5year 60 K mike warranty and i keep it on the road all year but don't drive it 6 months. I pay $1100 a year insurance.
750 HP in the Roush vs 760 HP in the Shelby... You won't notice that difference. 670 ft/lbs of torque in the Roush vs 625 ft/lbs in the Shelby you will notice... Even if only slightly... You WILL notice. The GT500 does sound better though
I’ll take the Shelby 1000
The only question
Can I get a manual transmission
For the price difference yes the Roush is a better deal.
I’d rather the gt500 instead. It’s just a better package all around.
RacerX, Brother you had too little exhaust sound.
The roush stage 3 exterior just looks like a 5.0 with cosmetic mods. But a gt500s you know what it is from a distance away. Also the roush 2.3 blower is known for heat soaking on the gen 3s after a couple runs. Shelby is rated at 10.6 quarter mile but this is rated at 11.2 quarter mile with 10 less hp but more torque. Shelby gt500 is just overall the better car with the better powertrain. Who are we kidding here. Predator>Coyote, Eaton 2.7>Roush 2.3. The only think the roush has over the gt500 is the 10r80 because you can actually tune it.
Hey did you see that video on “Can I be Frank” channel a Volkswagen GTI beating a Carbon Fiber Shelby GT500 😂😂😂
Equivalent to the hellcat and zl1 not on redeye or gt500 level, almost though
it shouldn't have any problem at all with the Redeye & should even compete very well with the gt500! 💯
Cross plane crank Better than Flat plane crank if you ask me 🤷