It was epic, and it just sort of ... showed up, making it have more impact to me. I also really liked Fred's take of "Claiming to have brain damage is not the way to sell me on this, son", it was great as well. Also in this season!
“How did you learn to walk in pumps?” “I didn’t always work in space.” …Yeah that line was cute at the time but takes on a _far_ darker tone once you see this episode.
Regarding the split-up-the-characters trope: the difference with the Expanse is that they knew this was coming since season 1, and spent four years setting up the back stories.
Lydia: We learned about "Lydia Maalouf from Baltimore" back in season 2 already (2x08). Amos was searching for her name on the Roci's computer. 04:08 Did you realize the (almost) one-shot sequence in the Baltimore opening scene? They flew in on a helicopter, passed the camera to a crane (with a hidden cut), then passed it to the cameraman on the ground (no cut) who then followed Amos on the street. 10:12 Did you get the Simpsons reference right before that scene? *No bowl, stick, stick" 11:23 There is no up and down, and therefore no upside-down, in space. Also, it's not harder for your blood to pump, it's easier. It doesn't have to pump it against gravity. 19:25 They're not real brothers. It's just a "bro" thing. They were both working for mob boss Amos Burton as kids. Remember Monika telling Amos that the only Amos Burton in Baltimore she could find was "kind of a mob boss" back in season 3?
To answer your question about whether blood pools in Zero-G - the answer is actually "yes, sort of, but it's not for the reasons you might think, and whether one is upside down or not has nothing to do with it!" The human heart is designed to battle against gravity and pump blood upwards to the brain where it's needed the most. However, it will continue to do this in Zero-G, so one's blood will pool up in the upper half of their body regardless of which way around they are. That's why, if you look at pictures of astronauts on the International Space Station, it's common for their faces to appear slightly red or puffy. It's also why Naomi and other Belters struggle with planetary levels of gravity - their heart, lungs, muscles and bones all developed in the absence of g-forces, so they're not designed to work against those forces.
Also this was a major point during season 3 when the speed limit changed in the ring space injuring thousands. Without gravity any kind of internal bleeding is a death sentence. Spinning up the drum on the Behemoth was to provide enough spin gravity to save people with bleeding injuries.
@@XeonAlpha That had more to do with the lack of g-forces resulting in wounds not naturally draining, so clots would form in places they shouldn't and would therefore be fatal, but you're correct in that the same physical principles are behind both things.
One of the main reasons The Expanse's take on "scattering" the crew works is because the entire series has built up to this point. None of the elements that drew the Roci crew away from their ship/family was entirely introduced this season. From the corruption in Mars, Avasarala's limited authority, Alex's family dynamic, Holden's inability to ignore protomolecule threats, Naomi's son, Amos' past. All of it has been seeded for several years/books/seasons, and the characters are developed enough that we actually want to see them explore these plotlines. While the original authors certainly had this intent as well, many of the modifications that were made for the TV adaptation were added to serve this purpose even further, which was a great move by the showrunners/writers.
The show handles the separate story lines so well. Charles is played by Frankie Faison, who was Commissioner Burrell in The Wire. It cracks me up to see he's still in Baltimore all those years later. The Expanse gets such great performances from one-episode characters, like Charles or Champa in the 52 scene in Season 2, etc.
I go on about all the wonderful people I met working on the show (on and off screen) but we were spread out quite a bit for the Baltimore scenes and I never even got to lay eyes on Frankie Faison. And that’s to my eternal regret, both because “The Wire” is one of the greatest shows to exist and Faison also played some iconic (to me) roles, including the impeccable “Pop” in Luke Cage. Just to have been able to shake the man’s hand would’ve made my year. Alas, can’t always get what I want.
The Expanse consistently nails it with their single episode characters. Charles is just the latest. Remember Solomon Epstein. Remember the spokesman guy from Anderson station. Then the big belter guy who helped Naomi rescue 52 belters from Ganymede. I could go on
@@Finnssssss my favorite Amos scene, for some reason. I mean That Guy is more iconic, but I just love the way the scene I’m thinking about goes down. If you know, you know.
@@Justanotherconsumer One of my favourite lines from Amos is actually from the books when Holden asks him about Bobby and her combat abilities. "See Cap, I'm what you might call a talented amateur. Her...she's a professional." Don't get me wrong, they did the best they could to cast and portray Bobby as a total badass but in the books she much, much scarier to deal with. An absolute monster.
Alfred Hitchcock had a famous example of tension, and I'm sure I'll butcher it, but it basically goes like this. If you have two guys at a table talking about baseball and then you have a bomb go off under the table, you've created a moment of sheer terror. But if you show the audience that there's a bomb under the table, that ten minute conversation about baseball becomes an entire nightmare of stress and anxiety. I feel like that is the atmosphere created by the rocks that are coming
Btw, Baltimore entrance at 4:25 is a helicopter shot, into a crane shot and then operator taking it off the crane and catching Wes Chatham walking. As said by showrunner, some articles on this episode, and I think, as far as I remember, Wes Chatham discussed it with Ty Frank on their podcast. So it is a Baltimore shot with some CGI added, but not a lot, so it would still look realistic.
A detail worth noting: Erich in the books has the exact same disfigurement. So they intentionally sought out an actor who had it as well, because it's too important a character detail to abandon.
One of the better bits of disability representation that they do in the show is that it’s just kinda there. It’s not what defines him as a character, no one really talks about it or pays attention to it and it isn’t played for pity or sympathy, it’s just part of who the guy is.
@@JustanotherconsumerAnd, amusingly, when there is a much later reference in the books to prosthetic for someone in his situation… the character with it complains about it a lot. 😁
@@Justanotherconsumer I agree that it certainly doesn't define the character, but a street kid with such a disability managing to rise to the top the way he did definitely hints that this guy's mind is nothing to scoff at - hence why I said it was too important a character detail to lose.
First time watching, I kept waiting for the rocks to land. The fact that they did not start with that, and just let the tension build is another brilliant thing they do this season.
There’s a bit about Hitchcock and suspense with a bomb that they do well here. The dramatic irony that the audience knows there is a bomb, but the show goes on as if there is no bomb.
Oh just on my 30ths or so reaction rewatch of this season... and just now realized that Amos has a "First Class" baggage tag on his backpack when walking into Lydia's and Charles' flat! Looks like Avasarala got him an upgrade to Earth 😉
I think this season is probably the best one. That said, I think the reason it works so well is because season 4 (my personal favorite) did a fantastic job of setting it up.
You're wrong, Nerdy! And Clarus is right! With that out of the way, time to actually watch the video.... (EDIT: Dammit, Nerdy was right about the cargo container.)
I love the way they handled Amos' trauma. My father worked on child services law and frequently encountered people who dissociate from trauma. They might not LITERALLY see themselves as children, apart, but they definitely tend to think of another person having the bad stuff.
My wife deals with family law and there’s a situation that’s explained coming up where she thinks the show could have gone a bit farther with what is typical for moms in that situation, that “giving up and moving on” is basically impossible for most. The show eventually goes into a bit of how that transition happened, but the mom in question definitely gets at least passing grades for the amount of effort she puts in to attempting to get her kid back. There’s a very good depiction of the relationship between abusers and abused coming up too, to the point where content warning is a very real consideration.
You guys finally get to meet Drummer's Poly-Am-Fam!!! They're one sexy group of collectively married people!! Also, this is a GREAT season for Amos!!! We get to learn SO MUCH about his past!! And this is basically the first season we see Amos flying solo, without his surrogate conscience(AKA his crew) helping him make decisions. So things are BOUND to be interesting!!! Also, it's much easier for your heart to pump blood in zero-G, because it doesn't have to fight gravity anymore to pump it up from the bottom of your feet to the top of your brain. That's why Belters have comparatively weaker hearts than Inners and have to do a LOT of exercize and usually take a bunch of drugs before they can even hope to step foot on a planet.
the behind the scenes of the camera shot opening with Amos is just as impressive, it was lowered on a crane into a handheld mode to follow him as he walked, super cool to check out. That said, learning more about Amos and his history really just adds so much depth to him... and this isn't even the best episode of the season! Definitely my favorite
another great moment in amos' story thats really subtle in this episode is when eric and amos take their first drink, after telling eric he didnt need to test him, amos pauses to only drink after eric. subtle but shows how on edge amos still is in that situation.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Are you speaking from personal experience? I'm not in the biz, but I can appreciate some of the craft (with and without spotters to help me!).
The episode that we realise all the little things Amos has spoken about, in the past (pumps, dark rooms with "Johns", brothels, etc), are *_his_* past.
Book 5 splits up the group in exactly the same way, and it works really well because Holden suddenly *is not* the main character of the story. All the other characters are *so much* more fleshed out by the end of Book 5; they're just as solidly real as Holden and Miller. They also continued Bobbie's plot from a short story, and it works really well this season, too.
Great reaction😊 the reason book 5 is my favourite of the series is that each of the Rocci crew gets their own POV. Up until now, we had only seen each of the crew through Holdens perspective (or one of the other POV's that change every book) The other advantage of splitting up the crew is that you get to see what's happening through the crews eyes on Tycho, earth, mars, and in the outer belt. S4 had a really difficult job as it had to reset after the chaos of S3 and set up everything moving forward. I agree it's the weaker season, but I think it was necessary.
This season does NOT go to shit, so you're good there. Lol. It's seriously one of the best. I hope you guys eventually read the books. You have to read the short story The Churn. It's everything you need to know about Amos.
I think the unfocused stuff fro season 4, comes from them adding 2 plotlines that were not in the book. So you have 1 plotline and 2 new ones, which are basically just there to keep the actors on contract and set up season 5.
It's interesting that you observe "maybe S4 needed those plotlines for S5 to be this good." As I'm sure the comment sections shared during S4, Crisjen and Bobbie's plotlines weren't a part of that book, I believe, so they were additions to S4 to give those actors something to do. I believe the showrunners openly admitted that it was a "we have the space to tell this part of their stories now, so we did." Their plotlines are effectively the prologue for S5, which gives S5 the breathing room.
First time commenting. Just wanted to say that I'm really glad that you guys picked up this show. Always a pleasure to see you react to one of my all time favorites I also agree that season 4 felt more like a setup or an interlude and season 5 upped the level in nearly all aspects.
That beginning scene in "Baltimore" that wasn't a simulated 1-shot from arial to walking. They literally took the camera from a crane and handed it off to someone walking.
A shipping container with a hole under a centimeter would take many hours to drop to dangerously low air pressure. Maybe even days. Air escaping into vacuum is even lower than water leaking out of a tank on Earth.
Night Waffles was right,without gravity the blood is easier to pump up to the head.that was the issue naomi had. and in space you fell like you hang upside down for the first time,until your body adjusts. astronauts train it by sleeping slightly heads down before launch.btw, whats with the pink madness on scrren all over? also,if you like erich,there is a shorter story about him,in the later times (only books). you should not miss that.
One of the great things the story does is in the world building.... They do not have to spell everything else exceptionally. They can paint you a picture just by starting at the edges , giving you a corner here or there..... You know, there's something juicy at the heart, but you can't make it out yet. Then then the pieces start slipping into place and you realize how interconnected everything is. Nope Amos did not always work in space.
For the liquid in the cup, it depends. There is tension forces that keeps the liquid together. Depending uption the material of the cup, it will "grip" the liquid in more or less
There's also air pressure pushing against the top of the liquid, keeping it in place. The liquid *will* come out of the cup; it's just more complicated.
I also have those weights and they should only be about 19Lbs each in martian gravity - seems a little light for Bobby. Unless of course they make out of something denser on Mars.
*_«Without gravity, the heart doesn't need to work so hard to pump blood around the body. In space, it is easier to pump blood upwards, from the heart to the brain. But without blood being pulled down, it doesn't go into the legs as well, and more stays in the heart.»_*
You need to watch the Tye and That Guy podcast. They give tons of background info. But wait til you finish the series because they have no hesitation spoiling stuff.
It is easier for your blood to pump in zero g, and your fluids do pool in your head a bit but there is no orientation necessary for that to happen and no orientation you can be in to avoid it (because gravity is what makes orientation an issue). Astronauts faces get puffy and their sinuses get blocked. One of the several things they need to pay attention to is the health of their heart, it's the main reason daily cardio workouts are built into their schedules.
@@MattNolanCustom Marco's followers would already have considered Ashford to be a traitor to the belt due to his recent policing actions. For them, it would've only added to the legend of Marco.
@@JDMunoz-ct9xn but that would be preaching to the converted. It's not existing followers that Marco needs to look good to, but people who are not yet convinced.
@MattNolanCustom either way Drummer obviously already knew, which is why she put a bounty on finding the Tynan, so it wasn't a secret, and she clearly thought it was Marco that killed Ashford, which only makes sense, because she knew Ashford was hunting Marco. Either way you look it at the belt was already aware, and Marco was savvy enough to get in front of it with his own narrative.
Great reaction! Ofcourse I love this show but this season and especially this episode! Filling in Amos's backstory is heartbreaking! Looking forward to the next one!
Even in the book series, book 4 is my least favorite. But when I go back and re-read the series it has gotten more enjoyable. It almost has that season 2 of The Wire feel. It introduces some important things that go on to be very compelling, but on a first run through it feels a little confusing and jarring.
For a variety of reasons, the majority of fans seem to consider both season 4 and book 4 to be the weakest. I thought the Bobbie plotline was good, although that mostly comes from a separate novella. I thought you guys were already married...just decided to stay in a Las Vegas honeymoon suite for kicks, huh? Nice count of Chekov's Guns in this episode.
I really liked season 4, and also thought it was a necessary "reset" after the craziness and breakneck pace of season 3. That said, I do understand why some people feel it's a bit disconnected. It doesn't give much about what's happening with Earth, or between Earth and Mars. I think that was intentional since our crew is actually physically disconnected from being in our solar system, but I can see why that made it feel sort of out of place to some people. It's also the first time that the crew is in one place for a long time so that may have something to do with it.
It always baffles me how alot of viewers dont understand what happened to amos and what lydia represented to amos. How she shaped his relationships for life
Season 4 is book 4, and I’ve listened to the book series at least a dozen times now, and it’s the book I skip the most when I listen. It’s important for what’s going on right now, but once you know it and it establishes what it needs to to introduce Marco, I don’t need to hear it every time, even if I DO love Murtry
My initial exposure to book 4 was with the Erik Davies narration. When I found out they re-recorded it with Jefferson Mays, I listened to it again. At the end, I thought I’d just listened to the first chapter again but accidentally listened to the whole book. I really like book 4. It’s hard to raise the stakes after the whole solar system might have been burned away by the slow zone station, but I felt they did that by making book harrowing and excruciating for the crew and those around them. I accept that season 4 may be the weakest in the series but I have a real soft spot for it.
Oh yeah, I dont mean its bad or that I dislike it, and I love love LOVE Dr Elvi, but usually like halfway through it I'm ready to move on to Nemesis Games@@bryanm1225
The novel that season 4 was based on is thought to be the weakest of the book series. Also, the politics back on Earth was not part of the novel. I think it was just a way to keep Chrissy somewhat relevant. That wasn't Amos' real brother. Don't know if you thought that. Now that you seen this episode, you should check out the novella "The Churn." SPOILER ALERT for those who might plan to read the novella............................... Timmy and his surrogate "mom" had an intimate relationship.
I liked season 1 but I can completely understand why others had an issue, it spent A LOT of time establishing the universe. Seasons 2, 3, and 5 I loved, binged them like candy. 4 was my least favorite, you hit the main reasons why in your own opinions, though I loved the Murtry/Amos stuff especially their fight at the end. Season 6 felt rushed to me but it was so yeah not a strong end. Not terrible but maybe dipped to a 7.
This show DOES rock! The season 4 book equivalent was better. It's much easier to give out information about things you can't show in print than it is in video. But even then it was the weakest of them all for me.
I also wonder how things would have been different if the series was still on SciFi / SyFy / (whatever its called now). It is hard to just jump onto a series after so many seasons (like when Buffy jumped from WB/CW to UPN), so there is an obligation to do some amount of reintroduction of characters and world-building, to do some hand-holding for Amazon viewers who have to judge if they should go back and watch the first 3 seasons for the first time.
@@mmattson8947 the first three seasons were available on Amazon at least a year before S4 dropped. I don't think there was any reintroduction or re-world-building besides the few minutes recap at the beginning of Ep 1.
@@MattNolanCustom There is a difference between an "old" series showing up on a network, and brand new episodes coming out. (Not as big a difference as in the pre-streaming past, but we shouldn't underestimate the novelty factor in what people will decide to watch.) A lot of time the reintroductions are subtle. For the Firefly series, the commentary for "Train Job" mentioned that they found ways to mention titles more often, like "captain", "engineer", or "wife". Bits of commentary or scene development that wouldn't have happened if the episode wasn't treated like a 2nd pilot episode. Not in-your-face, but it still slowed down the pacing.
@@MattNolanCustom What claim is that? If you look back, I asked "I wonder how things would have been different?", because I don't know how these clever writers approach breaking down a season. Maybe they made different choices than they would have. Maybe they wouldn't. (From your responses, you are thinking they wouldn't.) Since we don't have a "SyFy Season 4" to compare to, I don't know how I would give "examples" to back up "my claim". We know these episodes had to be different for two basic reasons: Amazon dropped all episodes at once (instead of one a week), and the episodes didn't have commercial breaks (like they did for SyFy). In season 3, all episodes were from 42-44 minutes in length. In season 4, they went from 43-53 minutes (much greater variation). I have no idea how significant these effects were on their creative process (maybe little, maybe much), but the production environment was not identical to the previous 3 seasons.
Season 4 felt, disconnected. Everyone was split up. Avasarala was reduced to swearing on earth. They ended on a really high note with Miller showing up but it was definitely the weakest season.
The summary of Holden’s life is 100% Fred’s best line.
The line is taken directly from the books, too, I remember laughing my ass off both the first time I read it and when watching the show.
It was epic, and it just sort of ... showed up, making it have more impact to me.
I also really liked Fred's take of "Claiming to have brain damage is not the way to sell me on this, son", it was great as well. Also in this season!
“How did you learn to walk in pumps?”
“I didn’t always work in space.”
…Yeah that line was cute at the time but takes on a _far_ darker tone once you see this episode.
So, so dark…. 😢
I've been waiting so long for
"There was a button, I pushed it"
"Jesus Christ that's really how you go through life isn't it?"
Regarding the split-up-the-characters trope: the difference with the Expanse is that they knew this was coming since season 1, and spent four years setting up the back stories.
Lydia: We learned about "Lydia Maalouf from Baltimore" back in season 2 already (2x08). Amos was searching for her name on the Roci's computer.
04:08 Did you realize the (almost) one-shot sequence in the Baltimore opening scene? They flew in on a helicopter, passed the camera to a crane (with a hidden cut), then passed it to the cameraman on the ground (no cut) who then followed Amos on the street.
10:12 Did you get the Simpsons reference right before that scene? *No bowl, stick, stick"
11:23 There is no up and down, and therefore no upside-down, in space. Also, it's not harder for your blood to pump, it's easier. It doesn't have to pump it against gravity.
19:25 They're not real brothers. It's just a "bro" thing. They were both working for mob boss Amos Burton as kids. Remember Monika telling Amos that the only Amos Burton in Baltimore she could find was "kind of a mob boss" back in season 3?
Erich and Amos (Timothy) aren't really related, but they did grow up together, hence the 'brother'!
They're bros, not "Brothers", in other words.
Brothers don't have to be related
To answer your question about whether blood pools in Zero-G - the answer is actually "yes, sort of, but it's not for the reasons you might think, and whether one is upside down or not has nothing to do with it!"
The human heart is designed to battle against gravity and pump blood upwards to the brain where it's needed the most. However, it will continue to do this in Zero-G, so one's blood will pool up in the upper half of their body regardless of which way around they are. That's why, if you look at pictures of astronauts on the International Space Station, it's common for their faces to appear slightly red or puffy. It's also why Naomi and other Belters struggle with planetary levels of gravity - their heart, lungs, muscles and bones all developed in the absence of g-forces, so they're not designed to work against those forces.
Also this was a major point during season 3 when the speed limit changed in the ring space injuring thousands. Without gravity any kind of internal bleeding is a death sentence. Spinning up the drum on the Behemoth was to provide enough spin gravity to save people with bleeding injuries.
@@XeonAlpha That had more to do with the lack of g-forces resulting in wounds not naturally draining, so clots would form in places they shouldn't and would therefore be fatal, but you're correct in that the same physical principles are behind both things.
I love the "there's a button, I pushed it" exchange between Holden and Fred.
One of the main reasons The Expanse's take on "scattering" the crew works is because the entire series has built up to this point.
None of the elements that drew the Roci crew away from their ship/family was entirely introduced this season.
From the corruption in Mars, Avasarala's limited authority, Alex's family dynamic, Holden's inability to ignore protomolecule threats, Naomi's son, Amos' past.
All of it has been seeded for several years/books/seasons, and the characters are developed enough that we actually want to see them explore these plotlines. While the original authors certainly had this intent as well, many of the modifications that were made for the TV adaptation were added to serve this purpose even further, which was a great move by the showrunners/writers.
The show handles the separate story lines so well. Charles is played by Frankie Faison, who was Commissioner Burrell in The Wire. It cracks me up to see he's still in Baltimore all those years later. The Expanse gets such great performances from one-episode characters, like Charles or Champa in the 52 scene in Season 2, etc.
I go on about all the wonderful people I met working on the show (on and off screen) but we were spread out quite a bit for the Baltimore scenes and I never even got to lay eyes on Frankie Faison.
And that’s to my eternal regret, both because “The Wire” is one of the greatest shows to exist and Faison also played some iconic (to me) roles, including the impeccable “Pop” in Luke Cage.
Just to have been able to shake the man’s hand would’ve made my year. Alas, can’t always get what I want.
Well don’t forget about Fred Cutty Johnson
The Expanse consistently nails it with their single episode characters. Charles is just the latest.
Remember Solomon Epstein. Remember the spokesman guy from Anderson station. Then the big belter guy who helped Naomi rescue 52 belters from Ganymede. I could go on
And the lady whose ship they took to get to Ganymede in the first place. Soooo many great guest stars! The big belter guy was my fave, though.
Tiny...need I say more? 😎
@@Finnssssss my favorite Amos scene, for some reason.
I mean That Guy is more iconic, but I just love the way the scene I’m thinking about goes down.
If you know, you know.
@@Justanotherconsumer
One of my favourite lines from Amos is actually from the books when Holden asks him about Bobby and her combat abilities.
"See Cap, I'm what you might call a talented amateur. Her...she's a professional."
Don't get me wrong, they did the best they could to cast and portray Bobby as a total badass but in the books she much, much scarier to deal with. An absolute monster.
Alfred Hitchcock had a famous example of tension, and I'm sure I'll butcher it, but it basically goes like this. If you have two guys at a table talking about baseball and then you have a bomb go off under the table, you've created a moment of sheer terror. But if you show the audience that there's a bomb under the table, that ten minute conversation about baseball becomes an entire nightmare of stress and anxiety. I feel like that is the atmosphere created by the rocks that are coming
“Hyper-oxygenated blood” I’m just going to leave this here so no one forgets 🙊
Btw, Baltimore entrance at 4:25 is a helicopter shot, into a crane shot and then operator taking it off the crane and catching Wes Chatham walking. As said by showrunner, some articles on this episode, and I think, as far as I remember, Wes Chatham discussed it with Ty Frank on their podcast.
So it is a Baltimore shot with some CGI added, but not a lot, so it would still look realistic.
A detail worth noting: Erich in the books has the exact same disfigurement. So they intentionally sought out an actor who had it as well, because it's too important a character detail to abandon.
One of the better bits of disability representation that they do in the show is that it’s just kinda there. It’s not what defines him as a character, no one really talks about it or pays attention to it and it isn’t played for pity or sympathy, it’s just part of who the guy is.
@@JustanotherconsumerAnd, amusingly, when there is a much later reference in the books to prosthetic for someone in his situation… the character with it complains about it a lot. 😁
@@Justanotherconsumer I agree that it certainly doesn't define the character, but a street kid with such a disability managing to rise to the top the way he did definitely hints that this guy's mind is nothing to scoff at - hence why I said it was too important a character detail to lose.
In a rare moment of clarity Nerdy calls Monica's situation immediately! Nicely done. 😉
First time watching, I kept waiting for the rocks to land. The fact that they did not start with that, and just let the tension build is another brilliant thing they do this season.
Same, this season from start to finish was brilliant!
There’s a bit about Hitchcock and suspense with a bomb that they do well here. The dramatic irony that the audience knows there is a bomb, but the show goes on as if there is no bomb.
Oh just on my 30ths or so reaction rewatch of this season... and just now realized that Amos has a "First Class" baggage tag on his backpack when walking into Lydia's and Charles' flat! Looks like Avasarala got him an upgrade to Earth 😉
pretty sure he had that all the way, but he moved cabin because people were snoring. Go back and check the dialog
I think this season is probably the best one. That said, I think the reason it works so well is because season 4 (my personal favorite) did a fantastic job of setting it up.
You're wrong, Nerdy! And Clarus is right!
With that out of the way, time to actually watch the video....
(EDIT: Dammit, Nerdy was right about the cargo container.)
Smt, beat me to it!! 😂😂😂😂
Nerdy was wrong and Clarus was right about at least one thing this episode, so the prophecy was true after all.
I love the way they handled Amos' trauma. My father worked on child services law and frequently encountered people who dissociate from trauma. They might not LITERALLY see themselves as children, apart, but they definitely tend to think of another person having the bad stuff.
My wife deals with family law and there’s a situation that’s explained coming up where she thinks the show could have gone a bit farther with what is typical for moms in that situation, that “giving up and moving on” is basically impossible for most.
The show eventually goes into a bit of how that transition happened, but the mom in question definitely gets at least passing grades for the amount of effort she puts in to attempting to get her kid back.
There’s a very good depiction of the relationship between abusers and abused coming up too, to the point where content warning is a very real consideration.
You guys finally get to meet Drummer's Poly-Am-Fam!!! They're one sexy group of collectively married people!!
Also, this is a GREAT season for Amos!!! We get to learn SO MUCH about his past!! And this is basically the first season we see Amos flying solo, without his surrogate conscience(AKA his crew) helping him make decisions. So things are BOUND to be interesting!!!
Also, it's much easier for your heart to pump blood in zero-G, because it doesn't have to fight gravity anymore to pump it up from the bottom of your feet to the top of your brain. That's why Belters have comparatively weaker hearts than Inners and have to do a LOT of exercize and usually take a bunch of drugs before they can even hope to step foot on a planet.
WOW!! that's a LOT of pink!!! 🤣🤣🤣
the behind the scenes of the camera shot opening with Amos is just as impressive, it was lowered on a crane into a handheld mode to follow him as he walked, super cool to check out.
That said, learning more about Amos and his history really just adds so much depth to him... and this isn't even the best episode of the season! Definitely my favorite
Drone to crane to handheld. It’s a bonkers shot.
another great moment in amos' story thats really subtle in this episode is when eric and amos take their first drink, after telling eric he didnt need to test him, amos pauses to only drink after eric. subtle but shows how on edge amos still is in that situation.
@@UserName-vb4lg *helicopter* shot to hidden cut to crane without cut to hand-held
@@MattNolanCustomYep! Fookin’ Breck Eisner. Always asked for big deal things when he was directing but how can anyone complain about the results?!
@@AngeloBarovierSD Are you speaking from personal experience? I'm not in the biz, but I can appreciate some of the craft (with and without spotters to help me!).
The episode that we realise all the little things Amos has spoken about, in the past (pumps, dark rooms with "Johns", brothels, etc), are *_his_* past.
Book 5 splits up the group in exactly the same way, and it works really well because Holden suddenly *is not* the main character of the story.
All the other characters are *so much* more fleshed out by the end of Book 5; they're just as solidly real as Holden and Miller.
They also continued Bobbie's plot from a short story, and it works really well this season, too.
Book 5 is so epic ❤
The writers of this show were masters of "show, don't tell"
Great reaction😊
the reason book 5 is my favourite of the series is that each of the Rocci crew gets their own POV.
Up until now, we had only seen each of the crew through Holdens perspective (or one of the other POV's that change every book)
The other advantage of splitting up the crew is that you get to see what's happening through the crews eyes on Tycho, earth, mars, and in the outer belt.
S4 had a really difficult job as it had to reset after the chaos of S3 and set up everything moving forward. I agree it's the weaker season, but I think it was necessary.
This season does NOT go to shit, so you're good there. Lol. It's seriously one of the best. I hope you guys eventually read the books. You have to read the short story The Churn. It's everything you need to know about Amos.
I think the unfocused stuff fro season 4, comes from them adding 2 plotlines that were not in the book. So you have 1 plotline and 2 new ones, which are basically just there to keep the actors on contract and set up season 5.
Saved me writing this myself. Thanks.
It's interesting that you observe "maybe S4 needed those plotlines for S5 to be this good." As I'm sure the comment sections shared during S4, Crisjen and Bobbie's plotlines weren't a part of that book, I believe, so they were additions to S4 to give those actors something to do. I believe the showrunners openly admitted that it was a "we have the space to tell this part of their stories now, so we did." Their plotlines are effectively the prologue for S5, which gives S5 the breathing room.
Why are you recording in a Las Vegas wedding chapel? 🤣
First time commenting. Just wanted to say that I'm really glad that you guys picked up this show. Always a pleasure to see you react to one of my all time favorites
I also agree that season 4 felt more like a setup or an interlude and season 5 upped the level in nearly all aspects.
That beginning scene in "Baltimore" that wasn't a simulated 1-shot from arial to walking. They literally took the camera from a crane and handed it off to someone walking.
That opening Baltimore shot from the drone to the crane to the handheld is bonkers.
It's amazing. But it was a helicopter, not a drone.
Drummer's crew isn't just hot but polyamorous and bisexual as well,
A shipping container with a hole under a centimeter would take many hours to drop to dangerously low air pressure. Maybe even days.
Air escaping into vacuum is even lower than water leaking out of a tank on Earth.
True dat. Easily over 12 hours with the whole length of the door seal open a fraction of a millimetre. But where's the drama and tension in that?
Night Waffles was right,without gravity the blood is easier to pump up to the head.that was the issue naomi had. and in space you fell like you hang upside down for the first time,until your body adjusts. astronauts train it by sleeping slightly heads down before launch.btw, whats with the pink madness on scrren all over? also,if you like erich,there is a shorter story about him,in the later times (only books). you should not miss that.
I dont have much to comment either but man I cant wait for the Expanse bookclubs when they roll. :)
One of the great things the story does is in the world building.... They do not have to spell everything else exceptionally. They can paint you a picture just by starting at the edges , giving you a corner here or there..... You know, there's something juicy at the heart, but you can't make it out yet. Then then the pieces start slipping into place and you realize how interconnected everything is.
Nope Amos did not always work in space.
Best quote of the episode: "There's a button, I pushed it." "That's really how you go through live isn't it?"
never noticed Cristobal in the expanse before
Your season rankings are completely correct, Nerdy.
But when you & Clarus disagree, she is usually right lol.
Remember how season 3 was non-stop? Season 3 is pokey compared to 5 & 6. The latter is rushed but still has amazing scenes.
Oh you 2 are in for such a treat with the rest of this season.
For the liquid in the cup, it depends. There is tension forces that keeps the liquid together. Depending uption the material of the cup, it will "grip" the liquid in more or less
In a pressurized ship, suction would pull the liquid along with the cup. In a vacuum, it would just be surface tension.
@@aboubenadhem9066Science!
There's also air pressure pushing against the top of the liquid, keeping it in place. The liquid *will* come out of the cup; it's just more complicated.
@@aboubenadhem9066 in vacuum the liquid would vaporize
I also have those weights and they should only be about 19Lbs each in martian gravity - seems a little light for Bobby. Unless of course they make out of something denser on Mars.
Charles is the landlord in Coming to America.
The Timmy and Eric reunion scene is my favourite.
*_«Without gravity, the heart doesn't need to work so hard to pump blood around the body. In space, it is easier to pump blood upwards, from the heart to the brain. But without blood being pulled down, it doesn't go into the legs as well, and more stays in the heart.»_*
You need to read the Expanse short story THE CHURN. It gives you Amos/Timmy back-story in Baltimore.
You need to watch the Tye and That Guy podcast. They give tons of background info.
But wait til you finish the series because they have no hesitation spoiling stuff.
"Tycho 8 or higher"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Season 4 was kind of hamstrung by the "constantly responding to chaotic and horrific situations" =(
It is easier for your blood to pump in zero g, and your fluids do pool in your head a bit but there is no orientation necessary for that to happen and no orientation you can be in to avoid it (because gravity is what makes orientation an issue). Astronauts faces get puffy and their sinuses get blocked. One of the several things they need to pay attention to is the health of their heart, it's the main reason daily cardio workouts are built into their schedules.
New head cannon: Christian Avasarala is Susan Ivonova's grandmother.
They are NOT brothers!
Amos calls Alex and Holden "brother" do you think they are brothers also???
Why would you think Marco wouldn't have publicized his killing the ghost knife? Weird.
Because Ashford was still a great hero of the Belt. It would actually harm Marco's image to claim having killed him.
@@MattNolanCustom Marco's followers would already have considered Ashford to be a traitor to the belt due to his recent policing actions. For them, it would've only added to the legend of Marco.
@@JDMunoz-ct9xn but that would be preaching to the converted. It's not existing followers that Marco needs to look good to, but people who are not yet convinced.
Marco isn’t going loud… yet.
@MattNolanCustom either way Drummer obviously already knew, which is why she put a bounty on finding the Tynan, so it wasn't a secret, and she clearly thought it was Marco that killed Ashford, which only makes sense, because she knew Ashford was hunting Marco. Either way you look it at the belt was already aware, and Marco was savvy enough to get in front of it with his own narrative.
The reactions will become very interesting as the show gets more and more crazy!
Nerdy is exploring the new Pink Screen technology.
Great reaction!
Ofcourse I love this show but this season and especially this episode!
Filling in Amos's backstory is heartbreaking!
Looking forward to the next one!
I laughed out loud when Nerdy broke into Sondheim
Erich the man, the myth, the guy with good tequila.
He’s got some great lines. That must have been a fun role to play.
Even in the book series, book 4 is my least favorite. But when I go back and re-read the series it has gotten more enjoyable. It almost has that season 2 of The Wire feel. It introduces some important things that go on to be very compelling, but on a first run through it feels a little confusing and jarring.
Season 4 is great on a re-watch, too. It is nice to see them build things up when you know what's coming.
Felt like a few of Amos's scenes were trimmed out 🥲 or too short.
Aw, Nerdy. Are you developing a complex because of the comments? Don’t let the bastards grind you down!
For a variety of reasons, the majority of fans seem to consider both season 4 and book 4 to be the weakest. I thought the Bobbie plotline was good, although that mostly comes from a separate novella.
I thought you guys were already married...just decided to stay in a Las Vegas honeymoon suite for kicks, huh?
Nice count of Chekov's Guns in this episode.
I really liked season 4, and also thought it was a necessary "reset" after the craziness and breakneck pace of season 3. That said, I do understand why some people feel it's a bit disconnected. It doesn't give much about what's happening with Earth, or between Earth and Mars. I think that was intentional since our crew is actually physically disconnected from being in our solar system, but I can see why that made it feel sort of out of place to some people. It's also the first time that the crew is in one place for a long time so that may have something to do with it.
Did anyone spot the obscure Simpsons reference?!
There's data on that from the space station.
It always baffles me how alot of viewers dont understand what happened to amos and what lydia represented to amos. How she shaped his relationships for life
Penultimate season hype!
Hello polyam Belter fam!
Check out the Churn novella! Enjoy! :)
Season 4 is book 4, and I’ve listened to the book series at least a dozen times now, and it’s the book I skip the most when I listen. It’s important for what’s going on right now, but once you know it and it establishes what it needs to to introduce Marco, I don’t need to hear it every time, even if I DO love Murtry
My initial exposure to book 4 was with the Erik Davies narration. When I found out they re-recorded it with Jefferson Mays, I listened to it again. At the end, I thought I’d just listened to the first chapter again but accidentally listened to the whole book. I really like book 4. It’s hard to raise the stakes after the whole solar system might have been burned away by the slow zone station, but I felt they did that by making book harrowing and excruciating for the crew and those around them. I accept that season 4 may be the weakest in the series but I have a real soft spot for it.
Oh yeah, I dont mean its bad or that I dislike it, and I love love LOVE Dr Elvi, but usually like halfway through it I'm ready to move on to Nemesis Games@@bryanm1225
I re-read it just for the Investigator chapters
Food poisoning is the worst. Glad Nerdy is feeling better.
Nerdy, you seem to really like the visuals of episodes Breck directs.
Am I the only power-tool nerd who loves the name of Drummer’s ship? 😂
Gotta love the Mowteng cordless drill range
Milwaukee here but I be looking at yellow with envious eyes
The novel that season 4 was based on is thought to be the weakest of the book series. Also, the politics back on Earth was not part of the novel. I think it was just a way to keep Chrissy somewhat relevant.
That wasn't Amos' real brother. Don't know if you thought that. Now that you seen this episode, you should check out the novella "The Churn."
SPOILER ALERT for those who might plan to read the novella...............................
Timmy and his surrogate "mom" had an intimate relationship.
In our defense, Claruse(?) is usually right.
Cute background today ❤
Please stream the game. I don't play video games, but I would watch you play to get more Expanse.
I liked season 1 but I can completely understand why others had an issue, it spent A LOT of time establishing the universe. Seasons 2, 3, and 5 I loved, binged them like candy. 4 was my least favorite, you hit the main reasons why in your own opinions, though I loved the Murtry/Amos stuff especially their fight at the end. Season 6 felt rushed to me but it was so yeah not a strong end. Not terrible but maybe dipped to a 7.
Nerdy always has a great shirt on but that short sleeved pink hoodie is not the play XD
What is this setting you are in? The pink, the flowers, the tackiness, it's... something.
Finally! Someone's asking the real questions!
Damn I cannot wait for the next episode
You can't really be upside-down in ZeroG
Ilove your reactions!
Spoiler: It does not go to shit.
thank god you're back sitting to on the right sides
Slow burn this season.
More like stacking the dynamite.
This show DOES rock!
The season 4 book equivalent was better. It's much easier to give out information about things you can't show in print than it is in video. But even then it was the weakest of them all for me.
I also wonder how things would have been different if the series was still on SciFi / SyFy / (whatever its called now). It is hard to just jump onto a series after so many seasons (like when Buffy jumped from WB/CW to UPN), so there is an obligation to do some amount of reintroduction of characters and world-building, to do some hand-holding for Amazon viewers who have to judge if they should go back and watch the first 3 seasons for the first time.
@@mmattson8947 the first three seasons were available on Amazon at least a year before S4 dropped. I don't think there was any reintroduction or re-world-building besides the few minutes recap at the beginning of Ep 1.
@@MattNolanCustom There is a difference between an "old" series showing up on a network, and brand new episodes coming out.
(Not as big a difference as in the pre-streaming past, but we shouldn't underestimate the novelty factor in what people will decide to watch.)
A lot of time the reintroductions are subtle.
For the Firefly series, the commentary for "Train Job" mentioned that they found ways to mention titles more often, like "captain", "engineer", or "wife". Bits of commentary or scene development that wouldn't have happened if the episode wasn't treated like a 2nd pilot episode. Not in-your-face, but it still slowed down the pacing.
@@mmattson8947please give a number of examples from the early episodes of Expanse S4 to back up your claim. Thanks.
@@MattNolanCustom What claim is that? If you look back, I asked "I wonder how things would have been different?", because I don't know how these clever writers approach breaking down a season. Maybe they made different choices than they would have. Maybe they wouldn't. (From your responses, you are thinking they wouldn't.) Since we don't have a "SyFy Season 4" to compare to, I don't know how I would give "examples" to back up "my claim".
We know these episodes had to be different for two basic reasons: Amazon dropped all episodes at once (instead of one a week), and the episodes didn't have commercial breaks (like they did for SyFy). In season 3, all episodes were from 42-44 minutes in length. In season 4, they went from 43-53 minutes (much greater variation). I have no idea how significant these effects were on their creative process (maybe little, maybe much), but the production environment was not identical to the previous 3 seasons.
Not a single "Tim and Eric" joke? Disappointing.
Engagement!
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Season 4 felt, disconnected. Everyone was split up. Avasarala was reduced to swearing on earth. They ended on a really high note with Miller showing up but it was definitely the weakest season.
S4 always kinda feels like empire strikes back to me. It’s just this odd middle story that is just break between the earth mars belt conflict.
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