@@boynextdoor1951 I'm starting to see more critical voices now. You couldn't say a peep against him before. I think people only liked him because commentary had become so boring.
@@boynextdoor1951 I'm starting to see more critical voices now. You couldn't say a peep against him before. I think people only liked him because commentary had become so boring.
Bullshit! Monsoon never approved of Randy's behavior towards Elizabeth. The situation involving Art Donovan at KOTR 94 was a real mess. Whose bright idea was it to even have him as Guest Color Commentator anyway?
Yeah but it didn't seem like he watched the product at all. Like he was so desperate for money he did something he knew nothing about. Bet he never watched WWF, his agent talked him into it.
Gorilla was a pro and you can tell watching that show him and Randy tried their hardest to keep everything together and call it professional plus keep the action focused on the guys in the ring but they could only do so much with an absolute anchor like Art. It still boggles my mind Vince allowed that old fossil to get on the air.
There's a RUclips video containing footage of the Brain and Monsoon edited with AI to make them sound as though they're swearing on WWF TV and it's excellent.
Perfectionist can be just as bad as phoning it in. If you go out to eat, and the food takes 3 hours longer than you expect, to come out, it won't matter how perfect it is.
Challenging doesn't mean BAD necessarily, and being a perfectionist can be a problem if it means nothing gets done. It can be a virtue if it brings the best out in somebody, but that can be tiring and troublesome.
Gorilla was used to working with Heenan who was a natural in front of the camera...they never rehearsed. They just knew their stuff so well and had such incredible chemistry that they could wing it and it would still be brilliant and seem natural Savage was all wrong for commentary. Gravely voice not suited for the gig. Sometimes spoke too fast, hard to understand, too much intensity. He also just didn't have much of a sense of humor like Heenan (and ventura too sometimes)
It is funny how how certain people completely clash that should be great together aren't. Jim Ross has always been great, Vince hatred of the South made him pass over Jim was ridiculous.
He’s also ADHD and he has severe Dyslexia - that’s why you would often see him in backstage stuff writing in pencil on yellow legal notepads so a lot of his juvenile delinquency can be explained… well except for the fact that he has never grown up.
But stayed best buds with Vince who was already settling lawsuits for sex-related stuff even back in the '80s? Don't know how well that would reflect on Gorilla.
I liked when Todd Pettingill interviewed the governor of Maryland at the time, and he said he favorite wrestler was Hulk Hogan, Who had just signed with WCW and Hulk Hogan was definitely somebody that WWF was completely trying to distance themselves from, Because they're moving into that "New Generation". Let's face it Bret and Shawn didn't draw, Hulk Hogan transcended the business
That was hilarious. This was when Vince thought anyone could play the part of Hulk Hogan. He tried to shoehorn Lex Luger into his spot and he bombed big time (although to be fair it wasn’t all Luger’s fault. That booking at SummerSlam 93 killed his WWF run)
1000%, him and Ventura in the mid 80's together, doing the early Wrestlemania's were the best duo of all time. Monsoon was like a pro sports announcer, he made you feel like wrestling was "real". Loved him as a announcer growing up.
@@watersandblue6001 It did happen though, after King of the Ring, they did the next night's Raw together and because of how they taped shows back then (commentary mostly in post-production), they covered 3 weeks of episodes on that show before JR took over in mid-July.
Randy would have been better served to have stayed in the ring but I guess that Vince felt he was too old, then again, he had Bob Backlund winning the WWF Title at 45 years of age. I'm 45. I think Backlund was about three years older than Randy. Savage should have been able to stay an in ring performer. Always felt they should have done a Bret/Savage program in '94 for the title in a three match series to pass the torch to Bret. I never thought that Randy would ever go to WCW. Wish he had stayed in the WWF and he could have had some great programs with some of the New Generation stars. I do miss this era. I was still in HS. Life was great in '94.
It had nothing to do with Savage's age and everything to do with paying Savage when he couldn't afford him. Backlund couldn't command as much since the New Generation largely didn't know who he was yet. Vince also wrestled into his 60s.
I thought Randy did a great job maintaining his Macho Man persona while still being interesting. Never would have known there was tension between him and the legend Gorilla Monsoon. Art Donovan was a hilarious casting....check out this hilarious review of the event courtesy of the lads at OSW: ruclips.net/video/E3r0Ab39080/видео.html
I ALWAYS enjoyed Bob Cottle's color-commentary! He has the friendliest-sounding voice, & he was always the perfect compliment to J.R.'s fast-paced play-by-play! Cottle also frequently worked with Gordon Solie!
Truth to tell, I've actually only ever heard the name SAID, & never looked at it written, even though it's been at the bottom of so many program intros
For having such great promos, Macho was lousy on color. It was hard to take him seriously. As time passes, I realize that Gorilla and Lord Alfred Hayes were my favorite pairing. Just two guys, watching the matches.
Savage was known to be difficult to work with in-ring and out. He was a super perfectionist who would flip out of you screwed up anything. Savage is a legend but was not easy to work with.
If anyone wants to see Monsoon really annoyed watch Backlund vs Shango from Raw ‘93 I think. It was one of , if not the last appearance of Rob Bartlett who was god awful. But on this day Bartlett imitated McMahon and it was actually pretty funny. Monsoon was so annoyed by it.
I have never been a fan of the 3 announcer config that WCW always did and AEW still continues to do. Or bringing in a guest commentator, esp when they don't know anything about wrestling. I just watched KOTR94 recently on WWE network when they were showing all the KOTR leading up to the 2024 KOTR, and the main event of Rowdy Piper vs Jerry the king was a pretty good match. Jerry kept picking on that skinny Roddy Piper fan.. also the year Owen won KOTR with the help of Jim the Anvil. The new generation era of WWF was horrible, but there are some hidden gem matches and feuds during that era.
3 in the booth in wrestling or any sport (unless it's a drop in where a special guest shows up for a match, a few innings, a quarter etc) can end up sounding cluttered...they can end up behind the action. trying to talk over each other, or drowning out the play by play guy
Art Donovan was a hoot on David Letterman and late night shows. What a funny guy. Quite the personality plus a good football player. I haven't seen king of the ring with him. I'm not defending him. I'm sure he wasn't right for the job but in general Art Donovan was quite the personality.
I know. He's no different than the guys he takes shots at. Every former wrestling guy thinks them and the guys they like were the shit and the guys they weren't cool with were overrated, not that good or throw dirt on their names. JR wasn't no choir boy himself.
I don't feel like this was a bash. Savage and Gorilla didn't get along, it happens. And Savage WAS a perfectionist, ask anyone who ever interacted with him. He's not a bad person, just a tough one to work with because of how he was.
That King of The Ring was a terribly announced PPV. I always thought the 1991 Royal Rumble was worse though. Roddy Piper and Gorilla Monsoon on commentary. It's absolutely awful. It's as though they're trying to out scream each other. There's no balance between heels and babyfaces. They're both rooting for the babyfaces. Most shows with Piper broadcasting are terrible. He tried to make kids laugh by calling Bobby Heenan "Boobsy" or "Boobs", which was never funny. Randy Savage was on with Vince McMahon but with JR and Monsoon, he wasn't so good
@@rawgoldgaming it was like a forced annoying kind of hyper lol he was less hyper and more menacing and a wise ass when he was with Orton, miss that era badly, but yeah I don't know why they just didn't stick with the winning formula of gorilla and heenan..
Macho, Flair, Hart and Undertaker we"re the most dedicated to the wrestling business than any other. They played themselves on screen and off. Hogan was the biggest. But he was nothing more than an act in the ring. Behind the scenes, he never wanted to do business and he stabbed everybody he could in the back. Fucked Bret Hart out of a "Summer slam" match and title in 92", pretended that "Taker broke his neck, so he could get him buried. And then came to WcW to steal Flairs heat. And subsequently robbed MACHO of an all time run.
Savage and Elizabeth had been separated since 1991 and divorced since 1992. People saying that the reason Monsoon didn't get along with Savage at the broadcast booth in *1994* is because the way he treated Liz back 3-4 years prior need to get somewhere and sit down. Monsoon was not the type of person to carry resentment for years for a situation that wasn't any of his business to begin with. He was more professional than that. I mean seriously. You sittin' up there a grown man mad at another grown man for YEARS for his martial-issues? If I can borrow a much appropriated-line from Gorilla Monsoon, "Gimme a break." Styles clash sometimes and it has nothing to do with whether or not you get along. There are some broadcast teams where the two people don't like each other at ALL and they still work well together.
People talk about how Macho treated Liz. How did Lex treat her? She wasn’t exactly innocent. At best she was attracted to guys that were not exactly choir boys…
Absolutely 100%. People like to jump on Savage because they think it makes them look smart. When all it does is expose them as Marks. My God the locker room and back stage in the WWF back then wasn't pretty at all. All types of guys, and again if people people were privy to how most wrestlers treated women they'd get off the Savage busting. Monsoon was a pro. It was simply different styles. As is obvious from just listening to both of them when working.
@@richstafford1245 How did Lex Treat Elizabeth . Funny how People that talk about that don't go into Details and just Talk about stuff that they have nothing to back up what they claim
@@robertrodriguez787 He beat her up a week or two before she died. That is well documented. When she died, she overdosed on products Luger introduced her to. Also well documented. What else do you need?
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 I'll take a pass on the second part. Liz was partying *LONG* before she got involved with Lex. You can't tell me that as much snow Savage, Hogan, Beefcake, and Sherri were blowing back in the day that Liz didn't do a line or two. Drugs are drugs. Once you get hooked on drugs of ANY kind it is a slippery-slope. Lex _may_ have physically abused her (we don't know what actually happened so it is NOT "well documented") but she was a grown woman and CHOSE to use and abuse drugs. _That_ was on her. She ODed on Vodka and painkillers. If you wanna say Lex beat her, I'm not gonna push back on that because available evidence leads to that conclusion, but I'm sick and tired of people getting a pass for self-destructive behavior and it being everyone else's fault but theirs. Liza was smart enough to know that alcohol and painkillers (most likely opioids) are a DANGEROUS combination. Even back in 2003 that was well known. The only blame I'll put on Lex is *IF* he beat her and that was a reason _why_ she needed painkillers to start with. However, for all we know, the physical confrontation between them could have been from Lex trying to STOP her from doing what she eventually did at an earlier time. Maybe she was already trying to mix vodka and painkiller killers a week prior and Lex was trying to STOP her from doing so and she resisted. Do, he's damned either way. This is why we say *NO* to drugs kids.
Gorilla didn't care for how controlling, paranoid, jealous, and possessive Randy was of her. That sentiment was held by a lot of people who were around them at the time.
"you're a has been two... just like Sammartino!", Savage yelling at Monsoon. Gorilla wasn't having any of it. Savage bullied and intimidated every "baby face" commentator... except Monsoon. :) Gorilla stood up to him every time. :) It was epic theatre.
Gorilla and Savage would have been just fine but Art dragged the whole show down. It was like he knew NOTHING about WWF or followed, just took it for the check. Horrible announcing commentary, I'm surprised Vince didn't fire anyone.
I remember one of the Wrestlemania's was pretty bad too. I forget which one it was but i remember there was a woman on commentary just saying "WHOAAAA" about 3 dozen times
I love Macho Man as a wrestler, but he was a TERRIBLE commentator. In his defense, it wasn't really what he wanted to be doing. What works in promos doesn't necessarily work at the announce table. He tended to be too left field and it never really added anything to what the other commentator(s) were trying to do. They were trying to sell the in-ring talent, Macho was selling Macho, which had always been his job prior to this gig.
Possible memory or recalling the timeline differently. It’s possible JR did work summer slam in another role or he’s thinking of perhaps summer slam 95. There was a period on PPV that he was interviewing superstars for very brief thoughts in the isle way as they walked to the ring or left it at the end of a bout.
@@gazzyb1079 Nope, it was only Todd Pettengill doing the interviews for 94 and him & Dok Hendrix for 95. If JR was there, it was probably for something behind the scenes, similar to when Tony Schiavone was at Wrestlemania 6 but not on camera.
I don't quite understand the motivation behind most of these segments. Is it to partially negate or downplay the overall career of an all-time legend because of his controvetsial nature & even more controversial abrupt & unceremonious WWE departure? Is this their way of saying they sided with Vince? How vocal were they then? Ever a word to Savage? Doubtful. Not saying Randy was an angel or perfect by any stretch, But enough - we get it, not everybody liked him. No need to keep piling it on this many years after the man's dead & has no platform or vehicle to defend his position. Randy wanted to be in the ring, & Vince - prematurely - put him out to pasture in broadcasting/announcing. There was friction about it. So, realistically: How good could you possibly have expected it to be?
Macho Man was not the big problem at that pay per view, Art Donovan as guest announcer was ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS. Macho Man was OK but he just didn't meld well with Gorilla and Gorilla mainly disliked Randy for his treatment of Miss Elizabeth back stage but also personality clashes was a bit of it as well. But no matter how bad the commentating was for KotR 94, I'll taket hat over Jerry Lawler's ear destroying squeaks any day, Art's weight questions and all.
How do you know Gorilla disliked Savage for his treatment of Miss Elizabeth? You think he gave a shit about that when Jimmy Snuka killed his girlfriend? Or when his buddy Carlos Colon had Bruiser Brody murdered? Do you think Gorilla hated everyone since the entire roster was womanizing and treating women badly in the 80s? I mean Vince and his cronies were raping the talent right under his nose...Savage was literally protecting his 90 pound wife from these freaks..Some of you mark fans know shit all about the past and speak on things you have no clue about..and present these things as fact..Put on some deodorant and touch grass.
Meh, I wasn't a big fan of Gorilla Monsoon. I'll go a step further and say he was absolutely worthless. By far the worst announcer the business has ever had. I don't know why Vince just couldn't quit this guy.
More of the WWF - WWE fan base from the Hulkamania era will remember Gorilla Monsoon as a Commentator and probably had no idea that at one time he was one of the top heels in the business and made a boatload of $$$$$$ vs Bruno. Add to it that he had a piece of the then WWWF ownership when Vince Sr was running and making additional $$$$$. When Vince Jr took over until the day he passed his deal was his weekly guarantee plus every WWF town that ran including PPVs he received opening match $$$ which could be $200 to $400 or more per night and he could stay home with the family. True that on a Family Feud survey of 100 of well known Professional Wrestlers more then likely Macho Man will be of 100 people surveyed while Monsoon is not but Monsoon had a great career.
Gorilla is a legend. In the ring he is not going to be well remembered by anyone under 50...but to many he is forever the voice of the WWF. Macho is an all time legend as a wrestler but was awful as a commentator. Their eras in the ring didnt overlap, but while Monsoon didnt become the pop culture character like Macho it's not fair to diminish him like that
Right! He was like Susan St. James during Savage vs Steele at Mania 2… Caught up in the spectacle and distracting the flow of the call…but overall harmless to the show itself. How many guest announcers can be instantly recalled thirty years later?! 👍
He couldn't work with the Macho Man, but Gorilla was always great with The Brain and The Body........
NO DIDDY!!
"How much does this guy weighhhhh...?!!?" -- Art Donovan about 50x during that pay-per view.
Pat McAfee does the same thing and people lap him up.
Repeatedly
@@clivet3252 I never liked him, he's a clown that likes to draw attention to himself rather than the show.
@@boynextdoor1951 I'm starting to see more critical voices now. You couldn't say a peep against him before. I think people only liked him because commentary had become so boring.
@@boynextdoor1951 I'm starting to see more critical voices now. You couldn't say a peep against him before. I think people only liked him because commentary had become so boring.
Randy was my favorite wrestler growing up. And I have devoted , love and admiration for Gorilla!
I love them both
Bullshit! Monsoon never approved of Randy's behavior towards Elizabeth. The situation involving Art Donovan at KOTR 94 was a real mess. Whose bright idea was it to even have him as Guest Color Commentator anyway?
Kevin Dunn
What behaviour? The kayfabe stuff you believe is real?? How about the real stuff Vince was doing to other women? Was Monsoon a fan of that????
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 What does McMahon have to do with this? 😂
I loved KOTR 94, it was just a fun time. Art Donovan was as you’d expect, he didn’t know much about wrestling but did seem
Impressed by what he saw.
Yeah but it didn't seem like he watched the product at all. Like he was so desperate for money he did something he knew nothing about. Bet he never watched WWF, his agent talked him into it.
Monsoon and Savage seemed to get along just fine on air to me.. Donovan was the issue at KOTR 94 imho
Savage
@@TL2354fixed
It was called being Professional that's what Monsoon was behind the camera no they didn't
Donovan was no worse than Pat McAfee and people lap him up.
@@dnakatomiuk How do we know? This is all hearsay. To my knowledge, Gorilla or Savage never confirmed it themselves
Macho was a great commentator
No
He was better than jim ross thats for sure!! Jr always needed somebody to carry his ass @@markolsen7010
I thought he was and he hated doing it
Different taste I guess but I couldn't stand him on commentary
I thought he was decent at best but had he continued doing commentary, he probably would've been great eventually imho.
Gorilla was a pro and you can tell watching that show him and Randy tried their hardest to keep everything together and call it professional plus keep the action focused on the guys in the ring but they could only do so much with an absolute anchor like Art. It still boggles my mind Vince allowed that old fossil to get on the air.
I can’t imagine Monsoon cursing 😂
It’s like your kindly uncle or grandpa doing it!
Not when he was in the ring, he wasn’t. He was a killer bro.
@@1massboy
Oh I know!
But his babyface announcing persona was just so…sweet and gentle. ALWSYS scolding Heenan to be nicer to “those youngsters!”
There's a RUclips video containing footage of the Brain and Monsoon edited with AI to make them sound as though they're swearing on WWF TV and it's excellent.
The place would go bananas hearing monsoon swearing…
"Savage was challenging to work with anyway. He was a perfectionist..." That's a bad thing?? Would you prefer to work with someone phoning it in?
Too much can be just as bad as too little.
Perfectionist can be just as bad as phoning it in. If you go out to eat, and the food takes 3 hours longer than you expect, to come out, it won't matter how perfect it is.
Challenging doesn't mean BAD necessarily, and being a perfectionist can be a problem if it means nothing gets done. It can be a virtue if it brings the best out in somebody, but that can be tiring and troublesome.
Gorilla was used to Bobby. They barely had notes. Just flew along…perfect chemistry
Gorilla was used to working with Heenan who was a natural in front of the camera...they never rehearsed. They just knew their stuff so well and had such incredible chemistry that they could wing it and it would still be brilliant and seem natural
Savage was all wrong for commentary. Gravely voice not suited for the gig. Sometimes spoke too fast, hard to understand, too much intensity. He also just didn't have much of a sense of humor like Heenan (and ventura too sometimes)
It is funny how how certain people completely clash that should be great together aren't. Jim Ross has always been great, Vince hatred of the South made him pass over Jim was ridiculous.
IKR especially since Vince is from NORTH CAROLINA... last time I checked, North Carolina is In THE SOUTH...
@@CB394He grew up down there but had a chip on his shoulder growing up down there. Remember how he turned out in the end, pretty warped.
@@OldsmobileSBRocket Vince was abused by his mother and “various stepfathers” and even though he had an older brother he was raised as an only child
He’s also ADHD and he has severe Dyslexia - that’s why you would often see him in backstage stuff writing in pencil on yellow legal notepads so a lot of his juvenile delinquency can be explained… well except for the fact that he has never grown up.
@CB394 it's a lot more serious than Juvenile delinquency
Monsoon didn't like the way Savage treated Elizabeth
Bingo
But stayed best buds with Vince who was already settling lawsuits for sex-related stuff even back in the '80s? Don't know how well that would reflect on Gorilla.
Unless Randy was beating up Liz stay out of peoples marriage. Look at Liz after leaving Randy.
@@regulardadhere8832 This. Plus, multiple people have claimed she tried to get back together with him later and it was Randy who had moved on.
@@KClouisville That mightve been a mistake on Savages part as well considering how "Gorgeous George" has besmirched him since his death
I was there at the 1994 King of the Ring and I have to say, I'm glad I saw it live because that meant no announcers.
Art Donovan would want to know how much Conrad weighs.
JR as what’s his name: Oh my God Connie those cheeks…
I liked when Todd Pettingill interviewed the governor of Maryland at the time, and he said he favorite wrestler was Hulk Hogan, Who had just signed with WCW and Hulk Hogan was definitely somebody that WWF was completely trying to distance themselves from, Because they're moving into that "New Generation". Let's face it Bret and Shawn didn't draw, Hulk Hogan transcended the business
That was hilarious. This was when Vince thought anyone could play the part of Hulk Hogan. He tried to shoehorn Lex Luger into his spot and he bombed big time (although to be fair it wasn’t all Luger’s fault. That booking at SummerSlam 93 killed his WWF run)
@@AlbanianMan Yeah I mean they built him all Summer long just so he could win the match by Count out lol
Gorilla was the best announcer ever. No one else comes close
I don't know, as much as I dislike Vince McMahon, he did a good job too as commentator
Jim Ross, Bobby Heenan, Bob Caudle, and quite a few others were better than Gorilla Monsoon. Without Bobby Heenan he was boring.
No. Monsoon is not.
Vince McMahon is the greatest announcer ever.
I'm not sure about that, but to each their own
1000%, him and Ventura in the mid 80's together, doing the early Wrestlemania's were the best duo of all time. Monsoon was like a pro sports announcer, he made you feel like wrestling was "real". Loved him as a announcer growing up.
0:30 Oh, the “How much does THAT guy weigh” PPV.
It was all Art Donovon. It was a huge mistake giving him anything close to a mic. The other two were great. No problem.
By today's standards he was decent.
Never knew this. Savage and Monsoon on Commentary would have been epic thought... 😅
What thought?
@@TL2354 yeah knowing it wasn't gonna happen, given their disslike for each other.
An underrated WWF broadcast team in 1994 was Gorilla Monsoon and Stan Lane. He was actually pretty good, and he and Gorilla seemed to mesh well.
@@D2Kprime No. Lane was absurdly milquetoast and bland as all hell. Awful Vince McMahon-era Michael Cole tier commentary.
@@watersandblue6001 It did happen though, after King of the Ring, they did the next night's Raw together and because of how they taped shows back then (commentary mostly in post-production), they covered 3 weeks of episodes on that show before JR took over in mid-July.
Randy would have been better served to have stayed in the ring but I guess that Vince felt he was too old, then again, he had Bob Backlund winning the WWF Title at 45 years of age. I'm 45. I think Backlund was about three years older than Randy. Savage should have been able to stay an in ring performer. Always felt they should have done a Bret/Savage program in '94 for the title in a three match series to pass the torch to Bret. I never thought that Randy would ever go to WCW. Wish he had stayed in the WWF and he could have had some great programs with some of the New Generation stars. I do miss this era. I was still in HS. Life was great in '94.
It had nothing to do with Savage's age and everything to do with paying Savage when he couldn't afford him. Backlund couldn't command as much since the New Generation largely didn't know who he was yet. Vince also wrestled into his 60s.
I thought Randy did a great job maintaining his Macho Man persona while still being interesting. Never would have known there was tension between him and the legend Gorilla Monsoon. Art Donovan was a hilarious casting....check out this hilarious review of the event courtesy of the lads at OSW:
ruclips.net/video/E3r0Ab39080/видео.html
He was no worse than Pat McAfee.
@@clivet3252 which is still a million miles better than being Michael Cole or Corey Graves
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 not really at least they're not annoying
"How much does this guy weigh?"
Yes
I ALWAYS enjoyed Bob Cottle's color-commentary! He has the friendliest-sounding voice, & he was always the perfect compliment to J.R.'s fast-paced play-by-play! Cottle also frequently worked with Gordon Solie!
Caudle
@@vincesmith2499 ahhh! Thanks! I knew I had something wonky in my spelling, but I hadn't looked it up
Truth to tell, I've actually only ever heard the name SAID, & never looked at it written, even though it's been at the bottom of so many program intros
many people who worked with and listened to Caudle will immediately say he has a very warm/friendly sounding voice...easy on the ears.
@timburr4453 I had a teacher who had the same accent, & easygoing touch (only good highschool teacher I had)
“Wait let me ask you a question…did you 2 guys act like that in the ring when you were wrestling?”
JR smoking a dart
Art Donavan sucked so much that Savage and Monsoon basically talked amongst themselves
He was no worse than McAfee.
For having such great promos, Macho was lousy on color. It was hard to take him seriously. As time passes, I realize that Gorilla and Lord Alfred Hayes were my favorite pairing. Just two guys, watching the matches.
Lord Alfred Hayes was abysmal on commentary IMO. He frequently got tripped up on his own words, and there was no flair to his commentary.
@@D2Kprime Well kind of. . . yeah. He doesn't compare to Heenan or Ventura, but he is so earnest and nice, that it makes a relaxing watch.
Savage was known to be difficult to work with in-ring and out. He was a super perfectionist who would flip out of you screwed up anything. Savage is a legend but was not easy to work with.
Macho's chemical consumption did not help him much. The steroids made him extra aggressive, the cocaine made him extra paranoid.
@@stevejamieson8468 Your imagination is peculiar
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 Not my imagination but a combo of what my eyes told me and what others around him have said.
If anyone wants to see Monsoon really annoyed watch Backlund vs Shango from Raw ‘93 I think. It was one of , if not the last appearance of Rob Bartlett who was god awful. But on this day Bartlett imitated McMahon and it was actually pretty funny. Monsoon was so annoyed by it.
How much does JR weigh?
260 now probably
Osw inspiring another podcast. Those irish boys deserve more credit.
I have never been a fan of the 3 announcer config that WCW always did and AEW still continues to do. Or bringing in a guest commentator, esp when they don't know anything about wrestling. I just watched KOTR94 recently on WWE network when they were showing all the KOTR leading up to the 2024 KOTR, and the main event of Rowdy Piper vs Jerry the king was a pretty good match. Jerry kept picking on that skinny Roddy Piper fan.. also the year Owen won KOTR with the help of Jim the Anvil. The new generation era of WWF was horrible, but there are some hidden gem matches and feuds during that era.
3 in the booth in wrestling or any sport (unless it's a drop in where a special guest shows up for a match, a few innings, a quarter etc) can end up sounding cluttered...they can end up behind the action. trying to talk over each other, or drowning out the play by play guy
I’m sure Savage had multiple personality disorder before it was even discovered
Watch shoot interviews with people who knew Savage. He didn't have multiple personalities. He was always the Macho Man. He never turned it off.
Ridiculous notion
😂😂
@@perceivedvelocity9914 no I’ve heard he had a different personality ever twenty minutes
@@keeganhurley119
You're just making bullshit up. Quote your sources.
Art Donovan was a hoot on David Letterman and late night shows. What a funny guy. Quite the personality plus a good football player. I haven't seen king of the ring with him. I'm not defending him. I'm sure he wasn't right for the job but in general Art Donovan was quite the personality.
JR trashes Macho Man every chance he gets. The man is not here to defend himself, low blows.
I know. He's no different than the guys he takes shots at. Every former wrestling guy thinks them and the guys they like were the shit and the guys they weren't cool with were overrated, not that good or throw dirt on their names. JR wasn't no choir boy himself.
He’s not the only one,that should tell you something
I don't feel like this was a bash. Savage and Gorilla didn't get along, it happens. And Savage WAS a perfectionist, ask anyone who ever interacted with him. He's not a bad person, just a tough one to work with because of how he was.
The Macho Man is still in the top 5 of all time, my opinion.
@@LifeWithPico As a wrestler, great. On commentary....less great.
Jesus i hate clicking and seeing its yet another Conrad thing 😢
*Do not recommend channel*
Jim Ross sounds like the major reason why Savage never got back to WWE. Ross is to blame for Bischoff not returning with the NWO in 2002.
I doubt it could be worse than Tony and sockface on AEW.
The 2 greatest team duo announcers
Were
Goriila monsoon and jesse the body ventura
And
Jim ross and jerry the king lawler
That King of The Ring was a terribly announced PPV. I always thought the 1991 Royal Rumble was worse though. Roddy Piper and Gorilla Monsoon on commentary. It's absolutely awful. It's as though they're trying to out scream each other. There's no balance between heels and babyfaces. They're both rooting for the babyfaces. Most shows with Piper broadcasting are terrible. He tried to make kids laugh by calling Bobby Heenan "Boobsy" or "Boobs", which was never funny.
Randy Savage was on with Vince McMahon but with JR and Monsoon, he wasn't so good
The piper of the late 80s,early 90s and classic piper of the early mid 80s-nite n day..very corny on the mic by then yes..
@@rawgoldgaming it was like a forced annoying kind of hyper lol he was less hyper and more menacing and a wise ass when he was with Orton, miss that era badly, but yeah I don't know why they just didn't stick with the winning formula of gorilla and heenan..
Who are these two fellas talking on this video here? How much do they weigh?
First ppv VKM missed at that time. The trial & his neck surgery had an effect.
Macho, Flair, Hart and Undertaker we"re the most dedicated to the wrestling business than any other. They played themselves on screen and off. Hogan was the biggest. But he was nothing more than an act in the ring. Behind the scenes, he never wanted to do business and he stabbed everybody he could in the back. Fucked Bret Hart out of a "Summer slam" match and title in 92", pretended that "Taker broke his neck, so he could get him buried. And then came to WcW to steal Flairs heat. And subsequently robbed MACHO of an all time run.
Savage and Elizabeth had been separated since 1991 and divorced since 1992. People saying that the reason Monsoon didn't get along with Savage at the broadcast booth in *1994* is because the way he treated Liz back 3-4 years prior need to get somewhere and sit down.
Monsoon was not the type of person to carry resentment for years for a situation that wasn't any of his business to begin with. He was more professional than that. I mean seriously. You sittin' up there a grown man mad at another grown man for YEARS for his martial-issues? If I can borrow a much appropriated-line from Gorilla Monsoon, "Gimme a break."
Styles clash sometimes and it has nothing to do with whether or not you get along. There are some broadcast teams where the two people don't like each other at ALL and they still work well together.
People talk about how Macho treated Liz. How did Lex treat her? She wasn’t exactly innocent. At best she was attracted to guys that were not exactly choir boys…
Absolutely 100%. People like to jump on Savage because they think it makes them look smart. When all it does is expose them as Marks. My God the locker room and back stage in the WWF back then wasn't pretty at all. All types of guys, and again if people people were privy to how most wrestlers treated women they'd get off the Savage busting. Monsoon was a pro. It was simply different styles. As is obvious from just listening to both of them when working.
@@richstafford1245 How did Lex Treat Elizabeth . Funny how People that talk about that don't go into Details and just Talk about stuff that they have nothing to back up what they claim
@@robertrodriguez787 He beat her up a week or two before she died. That is well documented. When she died, she overdosed on products Luger introduced her to. Also well documented. What else do you need?
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 I'll take a pass on the second part. Liz was partying *LONG* before she got involved with Lex. You can't tell me that as much snow Savage, Hogan, Beefcake, and Sherri were blowing back in the day that Liz didn't do a line or two. Drugs are drugs. Once you get hooked on drugs of ANY kind it is a slippery-slope.
Lex _may_ have physically abused her (we don't know what actually happened so it is NOT "well documented") but she was a grown woman and CHOSE to use and abuse drugs. _That_ was on her. She ODed on Vodka and painkillers.
If you wanna say Lex beat her, I'm not gonna push back on that because available evidence leads to that conclusion, but I'm sick and tired of people getting a pass for self-destructive behavior and it being everyone else's fault but theirs. Liza was smart enough to know that alcohol and painkillers (most likely opioids) are a DANGEROUS combination. Even back in 2003 that was well known. The only blame I'll put on Lex is *IF* he beat her and that was a reason _why_ she needed painkillers to start with. However, for all we know, the physical confrontation between them could have been from Lex trying to STOP her from doing what she eventually did at an earlier time. Maybe she was already trying to mix vodka and painkiller killers a week prior and Lex was trying to STOP her from doing so and she resisted. Do, he's damned either way.
This is why we say *NO* to drugs kids.
My favorite combo of all time and it might be just cuz who I grew up with but was Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Monsoon
But Monsoon likes his wife Liz.
Gorilla didn't care for how controlling, paranoid, jealous, and possessive Randy was of her. That sentiment was held by a lot of people who were around them at the time.
@@stevejamieson8468 So what you're saying is that Gorilla was a bigger fan of Stephanie being passed around the locker room at 17 years of age...
Im not sure I have ever heard Jim Ross say anything positive about Macho...
Monsoon added Job to virtually every move. I.e. clothesline job, suplex job.
monsoon was probably jealous of savage's charisma! nuff said!
"you're a has been two... just like Sammartino!", Savage yelling at Monsoon. Gorilla wasn't having any of it. Savage bullied and intimidated every "baby face" commentator... except Monsoon. :) Gorilla stood up to him every time. :) It was epic theatre.
That's because that old man still had it, Randy didn't want that smoke. Randy may have won the fight but would have taken a ass whooping winning it.
Gorilla and Savage would have been just fine but Art dragged the whole show down. It was like he knew NOTHING about WWF or followed, just took it for the check. Horrible announcing commentary, I'm surprised Vince didn't fire anyone.
How would Jim Ross would know that.
I remember one of the Wrestlemania's was pretty bad too. I forget which one it was but i remember there was a woman on commentary just saying "WHOAAAA" about 3 dozen times
I love Macho Man as a wrestler, but he was a TERRIBLE commentator. In his defense, it wasn't really what he wanted to be doing. What works in promos doesn't necessarily work at the announce table. He tended to be too left field and it never really added anything to what the other commentator(s) were trying to do. They were trying to sell the in-ring talent, Macho was selling Macho, which had always been his job prior to this gig.
I'm confused here. I don't remember JR WORKING SummerSlam '94. Vince and King did. What am I missing here?
Possible memory or recalling the timeline differently. It’s possible JR did work summer slam in another role or he’s thinking of perhaps summer slam 95. There was a period on PPV that he was interviewing superstars for very brief thoughts in the isle way as they walked to the ring or left it at the end of a bout.
no surprise from JR. on the Self Destruction DVD he gave a whole account of Ultimate Warrior's first WWF run and he wasn't even fuckin THERE! 😒😒😒😒😒😒
@@gazzyb1079 Nope, it was only Todd Pettengill doing the interviews for 94 and him & Dok Hendrix for 95.
If JR was there, it was probably for something behind the scenes, similar to when Tony Schiavone was at Wrestlemania 6 but not on camera.
I don't quite understand the motivation behind most of these segments.
Is it to partially negate or downplay the overall career of an all-time legend because of his controvetsial nature & even more controversial abrupt & unceremonious WWE departure?
Is this their way of saying they sided with Vince?
How vocal were they then? Ever a word to Savage?
Doubtful.
Not saying Randy was an angel or perfect by any stretch, But enough - we get it, not everybody liked him.
No need to keep piling it on this many years after the man's dead & has no platform or vehicle to defend his position.
Randy wanted to be in the ring, & Vince - prematurely - put him out to pasture in broadcasting/announcing. There was friction about it.
So, realistically:
How good could you possibly have expected it to be?
I love the macho man... I LOVE HIM. But I also love late 1990s HBK, but I didn't have to ACTUALLY work with either of them: You know what I mean.
Hope jr is good, I know he's had the health problems a long time but that's a strong slur there.
I can’t watch that King of the Ring due to the awkwardness of Donavan.
Ross is a great commentator, but Gorilla will always be the voice of the WWF.
Macho Mans last WWF pay per view
Summerslam 94
@@adamrenfrow you are correct
You two sound alike which is cool. At least close..
Good interview
this guy looks like a businessman
Macho Man was not the big problem at that pay per view, Art Donovan as guest announcer was ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS. Macho Man was OK but he just didn't meld well with Gorilla and Gorilla mainly disliked Randy for his treatment of Miss Elizabeth back stage but also personality clashes was a bit of it as well. But no matter how bad the commentating was for KotR 94, I'll taket hat over Jerry Lawler's ear destroying squeaks any day, Art's weight questions and all.
How do you know Gorilla disliked Savage for his treatment of Miss Elizabeth? You think he gave a shit about that when Jimmy Snuka killed his girlfriend? Or when his buddy Carlos Colon had Bruiser Brody murdered? Do you think Gorilla hated everyone since the entire roster was womanizing and treating women badly in the 80s? I mean Vince and his cronies were raping the talent right under his nose...Savage was literally protecting his 90 pound wife from these freaks..Some of you mark fans know shit all about the past and speak on things you have no clue about..and present these things as fact..Put on some deodorant and touch grass.
Monsoon and Heenan best team ever
JR and the King a close 2nd
@@roberthughes7114 wrong.
Best ever is Vince and Jesse the Body.
@@jrsmith1998 Vince was terrible
Now I will listen for any cheap shots Gorilla may have thrown at Macho on commentary 😄🦍
You'll never hear one
"that double J is a cutey" -art
Guys like Savage, Superstar Graham, and Piper sucked at commentary. Ventura was a natural.
Well this was dull, should've known with Conrad. I've never been a fan of the "JR" and King team.
Neither am I
i loved gorilla but macho was cool, one of mine idols but jim ross puts everybody down
Ross waits until they're dead so they can't contradict him as a nut sucking stooge
WOW - That’s a big guy
JR and the King greatest announce team of all time.
OOHHH YEAAAH!
I meant Gorilla Monsoon at the Garden when I was a kid he was a complete A-Hole
Is it me or does JR seem like a Grump
Well Monsoon was the only one Cause the Macho King is still in Every Gas Station Oooooh Yeeeah!!! Dig It!
Stop supporting anything with conrad the embezzler thompson. 🎉
Whitmen love to make money.
Savage used to get squashed
I JUST tried watching this and it was awful lmao
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The British announcer for PPV sucked
🦍 Monsoon
Jim Ross always criticizes people who are dead
Jim is in his 70s. A good amount of his contemporaries are dead
respect to monsoon, but he wasnt one of the most famous...80s on casuals didnt know who he was
Meh, I wasn't a big fan of Gorilla Monsoon. I'll go a step further and say he was absolutely worthless. By far the worst announcer the business has ever had. I don't know why Vince just couldn't quit this guy.
Monsoon knew where all the bodies were buried.
There's this guy Michael Cole guy you should have a listen to.
Savage was terrible on commentary.
Savage was a jobber at that point.
Yet he won 4 world titles in the following years...
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 He was just a placeholder.
Gorilla Monsoon is a footnote in professional wrestling compared to Macho lol.
Fuck that Ape.🦍
MachoMan is the fucking man. Legend without a doubt.
And you are a tool... Stfu
More of the WWF - WWE fan base from the Hulkamania era will remember Gorilla Monsoon as a Commentator and probably had no idea that at one time he was one of the top heels in the business and made a boatload of $$$$$$ vs Bruno. Add to it that he had a piece of the then WWWF ownership when Vince Sr was running and making additional $$$$$. When Vince Jr took over until the day he passed his deal was his weekly guarantee plus every WWF town that ran including PPVs he received opening match $$$ which could be $200 to $400 or more per night and he could stay home with the family. True that on a Family Feud survey of 100 of well known Professional Wrestlers more then likely Macho Man will be of 100 people surveyed while Monsoon is not but Monsoon had a great career.
Gorilla is a legend. In the ring he is not going to be well remembered by anyone under 50...but to many he is forever the voice of the WWF. Macho is an all time legend as a wrestler but was awful as a commentator.
Their eras in the ring didnt overlap, but while Monsoon didnt become the pop culture character like Macho it's not fair to diminish him like that
I loved KOTR 94, it was just a fun time. Art Donovan was as you’d expect, he didn’t know much about wrestling but did seem
Impressed by what he saw.
Right! He was like Susan St. James during Savage vs Steele at Mania 2…
Caught up in the spectacle and distracting the flow of the call…but overall harmless to the show itself.
How many guest announcers can be instantly recalled thirty years later?! 👍