How to MASTER Console Aiming in Overwatch 2: The ULTIMATE Guide to Aim Techniques

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  • Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
  • In this video, I will go through each console Overwatch aiming setting and explain what they do, how they affect your aim, and how to adjust them to suit your preferences. I will also give you some tips and tricks on how to use each aiming technique effectively and show you some examples of how they work in different situations.
    By watching this video, you will learn:
    The difference between Dual-Zone, Exponential Ramp, and Linear Ramp aiming techniques
    How to tweak your sensitivity, aim smoothing, aim assist, and aim ease-in settings
    How to choose the best aiming technique for your hero and role
    How to practice and improve your aim with each technique
    Whether you are a beginner or a veteran, this video will help you master every console Overwatch aiming setting and take your game to the next level.
    Don’t miss this opportunity to learn from a pro and become a better Overwatch player!
    If you enjoyed this video, please like, comment, share, and subscribe to my channel for more Overwatch content. Thank you for watching and see you in the next video!
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    Intro : 0:00-0:24
    Linear Ramp : 0:27-3:29
    Exponential Ramp : 3:33-5:00
    Dual-Zone : 5:05-6:55
    Outro :6:56-7:32
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Комментарии • 122

  • @NateSuxAtThis
    @NateSuxAtThis  8 месяцев назад +62

    In this video, when I was talking about linear ramp, I said that Aim Ease adds a dead zone that was false. Aim ease in doesn't add a dead zone. Sorry for the slip-up. I will try better next time

  • @VivixenvVT
    @VivixenvVT 9 месяцев назад +180

    You have no idea how much this will help us cotroller players with little to no knowledge of the technical aspects behind the aiming techniques. Thank you, Boss

  • @JessieThorne886
    @JessieThorne886 9 месяцев назад +30

    Great video! I use dual zone right now to play Hanzo and can aim long distance, but I struggle up close; after seeing this video I'll try and give the other aiming techniques a try.

  • @jessturner5487
    @jessturner5487 9 месяцев назад +29

    Thank you for this! As someone who’s trying to play with controller after being a PC player my whole life, I find the lack of responsiveness of a thumbstick compared to a mouse a bit difficult to work with. I’m gonna give linear ramp a go and see if it’s better ^^

  • @themysticsmoothglider2243
    @themysticsmoothglider2243 9 месяцев назад +12

    THANK YOU FOR NOT FORGETTING US SWITCH PLAYERS 😭 everyone forgets us

  • @kazuyaseri
    @kazuyaseri 9 месяцев назад +19

    Honestly super informative, I had no idea of how dual zone worked so I never dared to try the other. Gonna go check them out now thanks!

  • @Skrxd1
    @Skrxd1 8 месяцев назад

    Bro you explained each of them really well. A sub for you is well deserved. Thanks

  • @samhoang995
    @samhoang995 8 месяцев назад +1

    Bro I went from zero to hero with the linear settings on soldier. Best aim guide for controller players. Thanks

  • @rion354
    @rion354 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this. Now im going too tinker around too see which works best for me. I didnt want too mess with it before just because i didnt want too get too used to it, then change it and then relearn my controls again.

  • @EdwardLamadrid
    @EdwardLamadrid 2 месяца назад

    Amazing explanation. Im transitioning from mouse to controller and this video was exactly what I needed.

  • @lotredleugim4058
    @lotredleugim4058 9 месяцев назад +8

    Best controller setting vid for sure ! I’ve been playing overwatch since day 1 and this is the most helpful and easy way to understand the settings! Well done pal

  • @SweetSourPickle
    @SweetSourPickle 12 дней назад +1

    Thank you for making such a detailed explanation video for console settings.

  • @hellabreadand17cents9
    @hellabreadand17cents9 8 месяцев назад +1

    This video was actually so helpful🙏

  • @symmatry9228
    @symmatry9228 9 месяцев назад +3

    i hope you know i looked up this kind of video for years. exactly what i needed, better than the rest. thank you. im a masters player and im getting shat on long range when i play sniper

    • @hstclair103
      @hstclair103 8 месяцев назад

      try decreasing aim assist window size when playing sniper. Helps isolate a single target instead of having your Aim Assist drag you off of the person you're trying to hit. I personally play on 20% window size for widowmaker.

  • @MrSting-fz2sn
    @MrSting-fz2sn 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video, really helped!

  • @luisamezquita5440
    @luisamezquita5440 9 месяцев назад +1

    YOOO I'm the 400 subscriber and btw this helps me so much like I can't thank u enough

  • @swambocentral5270
    @swambocentral5270 5 месяцев назад

    Dude this was life changing!!!

  • @nvtwilight
    @nvtwilight 9 месяцев назад +5

    Thank you so much for this. You're the first person to go in depth like this so I appreciate it. Subbed.

  • @are_birds_fish5911
    @are_birds_fish5911 8 месяцев назад

    Like no joke this has helped me more than anything. I struggle to aim with Hanzo and Cassidy many headshots, but now I have no problems.

  • @bvghosts
    @bvghosts 9 месяцев назад

    I never knew what these were thanks so much!

  • @ofixge
    @ofixge 9 месяцев назад +3

    Damn if you knew how much this video will help me and my group i'm so thankful for this video

  • @JerryBizar
    @JerryBizar 8 месяцев назад

    This has helped me a lot!!! Ty!

  • @stepbrozako
    @stepbrozako 9 месяцев назад +1

    Well earned sub🙏🏾

  • @are_birds_fish5911
    @are_birds_fish5911 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for making this

  • @jonbill1333
    @jonbill1333 7 месяцев назад

    Really great explanation.

  • @josephrodriguez59
    @josephrodriguez59 8 месяцев назад +2

    Great to see controller settings being discussed in 2023 because this is still a pain point.
    But gotta nitpick here...
    1) Not possible to manipulate deadzones at all in OW.
    Smoothing is the inverse what other games call aim acceleration, and is an abomination of a tool because if the aiming provided a better ramp, then no one would need a literal delay to their aim to help them. And AIM EASE IN is not a deadzone; it's some kind of exponential coefficient in the ramp function that basically lets us create our own exponential ramp function.
    Not sure if AIM EASE IN even works with exponential ramp but Blizz advised not to combine because it's indirect and duplicative results as just using Linear.
    2) I think you described "up close aiming and far away aiming" difficulties correctly for us to understand, BUT it's actually the UNCHANGEABLE DEADZONE that is the culprit.
    No matter what settings you choose, OW doesn't give us an actual deadzone slider. And I'm pretty sure it's over 18% ... (inner deadzone)
    What this means is that OW will not respect our right thumbstick inputs until we breach 18% from center.
    And that's in 360 degrees.
    So the main problem in OW aiming is dealing with A/D strafing (e.g. left right strafing) enemies because if we're tracking to the right, then when we want to track left, we have to go through 18% deadzone times two to get to the other side and start tracking left.
    This can be especially bad feeling if say your total sensitivity settings allow you to track at a low input... say 20%.
    So now we drop the percent and look at stick travel distance being 1 to 1...
    Basically, if all you want to do is track right at 2 units of speed, then swap to tracking left at 2 units of speed, our thumbs have to actually travel 40 units!
    This is from +2 to the right, then reaching 0, then passing 18 deadzone on right, then 18 deadzone on left, then 2 MORE units to left... -_-
    PS: This phenomenon is exponentially worse when tracking flying heroes.
    3) There's no way dual zone is 90% and 10% split or even larger inner zone. Pretty sure it's only 25-30% inner zone. But sucks for up close because what I described above except more than double the issue.
    Anyways, this is getting stupid to type. Hopefully this makes sense.
    I hate that this is my favorite game and been playing thousands of hours and Blizz stopped adding aim settings a long time ago.
    Still hoping to be surprised with deadzone sliders one day.
    TL;DR: OW needs a deadzone slider. Until then console players will NEVER have their aim 100% consistent. Especially due to this being a pixel perfect PC designed game. It's very difficult to micro adjust reticle by a pixel when at a stand still or when in opposite direction because the built-in unchangeable deadzone is way too high.

  • @rektking3116
    @rektking3116 8 месяцев назад +1

    Just switched to linear on genji feels way better in those close 1v1s

  • @vibezz6898
    @vibezz6898 4 месяца назад

    I hope you don’t mind, I linked your video below a video I recently posted for people who need help with aiming on console

  • @markburrows8246
    @markburrows8246 9 месяцев назад +3

    This is helpful but I've been on duel zone with a low sense and it feels so jagged it can be slow one minute and then flick really fast in another minute

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад +1

      It seems like the sens you adjust is actually for the fast zone not the inner

  • @susete
    @susete 3 месяца назад

    I like your channel, thanks for all

  • @hangesbrownwife
    @hangesbrownwife 2 месяца назад

    Ur the best bro like genuinely omfg. I hope u wake up rich one day

  • @cacacoo
    @cacacoo 8 месяцев назад +1

    just made my life 10x easier🙏😭

  • @trxpmetal
    @trxpmetal 9 месяцев назад +4

    Im a linear player but in ow2 I'm struggling because of the high deadzone even when its set on 0%. I'll try dualzone out

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад +1

      Dual zone feels better for sure it's just the transition of speed makes me sick and you generally want high speed since the inner zone is much more slower

  • @Nova_890p7
    @Nova_890p7 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hey nate love the videos but I was wondering if you can answer this question ( how do you tell if someone is ximing)❤

  • @brynmostyn4272
    @brynmostyn4272 9 месяцев назад +1

    Love this. Would you say linear is better then for Tracer, Reaper and maybe Kiriko? Just thinking of heroes you want to closer to ppl with when aiming

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +3

      I've found that tracer definitely benefits from linear but I haven't tried it on reaper or kiriko but like you said anyone who aims up close should benefit from linear. Feel free to try it and tell us how it goes

  • @Mandus_The_Mad
    @Mandus_The_Mad 5 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing. For any projectile players (Junkrat/Phara/ect) I recommend turning off aim assist.

  • @Koppecat
    @Koppecat 9 месяцев назад +3

    I would argue the opposite for Linear Ramp. It’s harder to use up close because there’s no dead zone in the game. You can keep increasing Aim Ease In to help with this but past a certain point, you’re no longer reaping the benefits of Linear Ramp, being it’s consistently across whatever % you flick the stick in any direction.
    Been playing Linear for the past few years if that helps.

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +2

      I really do appreciate your opinion especially as someone who uses Linear ramp and I agree mostly about everything but your point about Aim Ease In I kinda disagree with. So of course if set aim ease in at 100% then you will not get the benefits of Linear ramp but I personally feel if you set it at somewhere around 20-35% I think you can get the benefits of Linear ramp and you also get a dead-zone but really do appreciate this discourse Thank you

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад

      There is a deadzone and it's just big , smaller or PC tho but we can't control it like w5f

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@NateSuxAtThisabout 35 should make it feel like expo

    • @janalan6167
      @janalan6167 8 месяцев назад +1

      I disagree cause I have not struggled much in close range fights but mostly the very long range fights lol but then again I always struggled in very long fights in all games

  • @DManDaDemon
    @DManDaDemon 5 месяцев назад

    I use duel zone and my settings are perfect for me for mid long range and close too

  • @user-og4sf5fu8n
    @user-og4sf5fu8n 9 месяцев назад

    What would be the best configuration for widowmaker? and Ashe?

  • @Harrofett
    @Harrofett 9 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for this video. I just made some adjustments and tested in quickplay. Everything feels so erratic right but my numbers say I'm doing well. I just had an 18 elim match on Kiriko. Before the adjustments I maybe hit 6 to 8. My healing is better too, I'm flicking to my teammates faster to get the heals out.

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +1

      yeah, whenever you first change your sens it does take some time to get used to it. but I'm glad I could help

    • @Mispelledluis
      @Mispelledluis 8 месяцев назад +1

      What are you using?

  • @big_brain34
    @big_brain34 4 месяца назад

    I have 1000h+ at this game and still playing tracer for 180h at dual zone so ty

  • @ShujinNuminous
    @ShujinNuminous 9 месяцев назад

    Been Streaming and using small zone after trying linear 10months ago since I debut ow2, however never understood these tech n now I'm experimenting with this Intel I appreciate u my guy n followed n subbed W mans

  • @patricklodge1576
    @patricklodge1576 9 месяцев назад +3

    Exp is good for flicky characters like inarri and genji andnis a must for doom fist

    • @VivixenvVT
      @VivixenvVT 9 месяцев назад

      I'm very new to OW and main Kiriro with expramp. It really does feel great on those flicky characters compared to Lin and dual

  • @nbasoldierkidd
    @nbasoldierkidd 5 месяцев назад +1

    I just struggled keeping my aim on a hero with my right stick while I move for the aim it make it feel like the sensitivity is 100 and I just can’t keep the cross on the hero . And I play alot pvp games

  • @mhm1694
    @mhm1694 5 месяцев назад

    Is linear ramp better than dual zone for tracer an d Winston sombra?

  • @janalan6167
    @janalan6167 8 месяцев назад +9

    I have been using linear and honestly its just the best technique for us controller players n trust me u can be very accurate as long as u use aim assist ( I have been playing with no aim assist n it was awful but it helped me a bit to learn how to aim better ) those r the settings I use n u guys can try them:- 100 aim assist strength
    80 aim assist window size ( I don't recommend for widow but u can try it for yourselves )
    70 Aim assist ease in
    0 aim smoothing
    0 aim ease in

    • @joshbiggums972
      @joshbiggums972 7 месяцев назад +1

      Whats your vertical and horizontal sensitivity?

  • @lilianavazquez5534
    @lilianavazquez5534 Месяц назад

    What about reaper ?? What aim tec is good for him? Since he’s a up close character

  • @Theboulmal
    @Theboulmal 9 месяцев назад +9

    I play linear on all characters I just love how responsive it is, I try dual zone I feel like a complete bot😭 it just feels so delayed

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +1

      Linear is one of the best aiming techniques, so if it works for you, there's really no need to change it. Just try to refine your sens.

  • @minixip
    @minixip 9 месяцев назад +1

    Just a question, when you show Dual Zone settings, Legacy Mode is ON. Is that correct or do I need to change it to OFF? How does it works with Dual zone in case that it must be ON

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад

      The settings I showed were meant to be examples and not to be taken literally because for the sake of simplicity I just set all of the settings to 100 so I would take those setting with a grain of salt. But as for whether you should turn on legacy mode that gonna depended on what characters you play because I've found that Legacy mode really help on character that require a lot of tracking. If you decide to turn on aim assist Legacy Mode the remember to Lower your your window size and add in a little of aim assist ease in. Hope this helps

  • @user-cr9et9ri7r
    @user-cr9et9ri7r 4 месяца назад

    What are you sojourn controls?

  • @darkrayito3534
    @darkrayito3534 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi great video what are your dual zone settings and sensitivity❤?i feel like i dont find good settings so i would like to use yours and try to improve thanks

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +1

      Here's my sens and a little explanation
      100
      100
      100
      100 (70 if aim assist legacy mode on)
      off (on for characters like soldiers)
      0 (20 if aim assist legacy mode on)
      17 ( if you are not used to low aim smoothing, please start a 99 or 95 and lower in increments of 5 and just lower until you find a comfortable aim smoothing)
      0
      Hopefully, this will help

    • @darkrayito3534
      @darkrayito3534 9 месяцев назад

      @@NateSuxAtThis thanks a lot mate ,i Will practice right now to get better you help me a lot today, you are great buddy 😋

  • @Htiy
    @Htiy 9 месяцев назад +2

    Dual zone supremacy 👍

    • @VivixenvVT
      @VivixenvVT 9 месяцев назад +2

      Different breed frfr

  • @CHUCKZ2
    @CHUCKZ2 7 месяцев назад

    When I take a few days off overwatch, I have to switch from linear to dual and once I’ve been playing for a few days on dual I feel restricted and get good with linear and the cycle repeats if I take two or three days off off the game. It’s SUCKS !

  • @notahuman5675
    @notahuman5675 7 месяцев назад

    Me: Contemplating if my sens is too low atm…
    30 for Horizontal and like 25 for Vertial for most of my charaters lmao
    Tell me if this is too low for a console player idk it works for me but I want some opinions on sens for console thanks :D

  • @animegutz4874
    @animegutz4874 5 месяцев назад

    can you show how to use firing range on console plssss

  • @Keser-
    @Keser- 9 месяцев назад

    I need help, if i have a sens 60/60 what aim assist ease in recommended? is dual zone btw

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +1

      I like aim assist ease in at 20, which is a good place to start, but anything from 20-50 is good. Hope this helps

    • @Keser-
      @Keser- 9 месяцев назад

      @@NateSuxAtThis Ok bro i will try it, thanks.

  • @PovElijah
    @PovElijah 8 месяцев назад

    Those are your preferred settings for each technique?

  • @ninabeganer3851
    @ninabeganer3851 5 месяцев назад +1

    Should I use linear in Lucio?

    • @maximiliangfrorer1039
      @maximiliangfrorer1039 2 месяца назад

      Linear and turn aim assist down a notch because he has projectiles.

  • @henryfarris9641
    @henryfarris9641 9 месяцев назад

    Dual zone feels so weird switch it to linear it’s so much better

  • @filipbarneman4510
    @filipbarneman4510 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent guide but you forgot to add in "for controllers"

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад

      my bad for the bait, thank you for catching that and I just updated the title.

  • @flex-in7kg
    @flex-in7kg 4 месяца назад

    Do u use any kontrolfreeks if so then which ones

    • @cameron15629
      @cameron15629 4 месяца назад

      every kontrolfreeks is the same

    • @cameron15629
      @cameron15629 4 месяца назад

      i have like 3 and they feel the same

  • @tomjack5420
    @tomjack5420 5 месяцев назад

    If you’re on xim play linear, if you’re on controller play dual zone, if you’re weird play exponential

  • @dominic_3171
    @dominic_3171 9 месяцев назад

    What's your crosshair?

  • @jackmac919
    @jackmac919 8 месяцев назад

    Now what settings are YOU using?

  • @FlareOW
    @FlareOW 9 месяцев назад

    Overall which one would u say is the best

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +1

      Honestly Id say it's a tie between Dual-Zone and Linear Ramp, but if I had to only pick one id probably say Dual-Zone slightly edges out Linear ramp

  • @ideenlos9242
    @ideenlos9242 9 месяцев назад +1

    Now the real Question is what do other games use. I think COD and stuff areusing Dual Zone so you should probably use that so your aim from other games carry over

    • @kebbinator
      @kebbinator 9 месяцев назад +2

      Dual zone is fairly unique to overwatch. Most games use an aim curve somewhere in between exponential and linear, most opting for a move exponential curve. The exponential curve used in Overwatch was actually borrowed from the COD team.
      I think dual zone was chosen as the default as a compromise, since overwatch doesn’t have ADS like most shooters to give you the precision of slow ADS aim and the speed of fast hip fire aim.
      I use exponential personally, since I feel like linear ramps up too fast making small to medium stick deflection too close to your max turn speed and making it harder to make fine aim moves, but I do think linear can be better for tracking if you play heroes like Soldier or Zarya.
      Dual zone feels terrible to me because of the huge jump when you hit the fast speed threshold, I would recommend medium sens linear or high sens exponential both with 0 smoothing - and like he said for linear you can turn aim ease in up a bit too if you want since what that control does is makes the curve more exponential. It’s doing it mathematically though rather than a hand tuned curve like the exponential aim mode, and I find it doesn’t feel as good when turned up to roughly match.

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад

      Apex has dual zone

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@kebbinatorsame I hate jump but it feels better in general tho 😢 they need to overhaul the control settings and add deadzone settings

    • @kebbinator
      @kebbinator 8 месяцев назад

      @@diamonshade7484 Apex has one of the most comprehensive and adaptable aim configuration menus of any console shooter.
      Of every console shooter I’ve played dating all the way back to the PS2/Xbox, Overwatch and Apex are the only two I can remember having a dual zone curve option or feeling.
      I stand by what I said. Dual zone is very uncommon, and is a poor technique to use because it is unpredictable due to the jump in speed and is bad muscle memory to learn because it does not translate to any other games.
      I completely agree about them needing to overhaul the aim settings.
      They need to most importantly add a deadzone control, strip out most of the unnecessary cluttered and confusing settings, add some new curves like the ‘dynamic’ S-curve in newer CoD games, change the way aim assist works to be more in line with other, better feeling shooters, and add gyro aim for PS4 and PS5.
      And they need to do something about all the XIM players in higher ranks.

  • @wifsk484
    @wifsk484 8 месяцев назад

    Saying controller players aim is like saying swimmers kick water

  • @obtains
    @obtains 7 месяцев назад

    Helpful video but keep in mind sensitive is different for everyone so use them all then decide what to use. Take it from someone who uses wack asf settings

  • @ALBERTALIMOVICH
    @ALBERTALIMOVICH 9 месяцев назад +1

    overwatch settings are dreg. i accidentally had reset all settings and still can't get my old parameters back

  • @Bananadoods
    @Bananadoods 9 месяцев назад +1

    Bro i played you the other day

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад

      did i play well?

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад

      I'm pretty sure that there's tons of Nate's so if They played bad then it wasn't me. lmao

    • @Bananadoods
      @Bananadoods 9 месяцев назад

      @@NateSuxAtThis they were pretty good but whats your rank so i know

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад

      @@Bananadoods rn I'm masters 3

    • @Bananadoods
      @Bananadoods 9 месяцев назад

      @@NateSuxAtThis nahh nvm different console nate

  • @Retr0_
    @Retr0_ 9 месяцев назад +3

    why do you have your enemy as blue and friendly as red? 😂

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  9 месяцев назад +3

      I recorded from a Replay and for some reason the colors are switch but nice catch

    • @Retr0_
      @Retr0_ 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@NateSuxAtThis thought you was going crazy man 😭

  • @Givujvg
    @Givujvg 9 месяцев назад

    Can I have your crosshair I really need 1 like yours but I can’t find one

  • @Henbot
    @Henbot 4 месяца назад

    Honestly just think it bad game design on blizzard part. No other console game has needed so much testing to feel comfortable. When Hanzo hit with his rapid arrows they said they redid the entire aim assist algorithm. They just havnt had good designers

  • @TheKnivesandpens13
    @TheKnivesandpens13 8 месяцев назад

    aim ease in does nothing for your deadzone thats a myth bro

    • @NateSuxAtThis
      @NateSuxAtThis  8 месяцев назад

      Legitimately, thanks for the new information. I'm going to pin a comment with the correction

    • @TheKnivesandpens13
      @TheKnivesandpens13 8 месяцев назад

      @@NateSuxAtThis valid man 👌 what it does is weird and the best way i can explain is it increases the influence of vertical & horizontal. if its at 100 it makes going perfectly diagonal pretty awkward bc its trying its best to keep u moving in
      these --> (➕) directions

  • @fpopgaming9843
    @fpopgaming9843 12 дней назад

    I respect you for making this video 🫡

  • @callmeenzy5715
    @callmeenzy5715 Месяц назад

    Wtf im missing " aim assist strength " so you're fucking telling me ive been playing without fucking aim assist?? Lmaooo wtf why does everyone have " aim assist strength " and i literally do not.. what are yall using?