I'm sorry to say, my son is choosing to drink like his father - his father has drunk like a fish at many rimes in his life. We have spent a lot of money over the years and sent him to rehab. At the end of the day someone has to get to their personal low and choose to get the help they need. All we can do is hope he changes his friends' group and make his way in life that is positive to him, we will be here to be there when he wants it. In the mean time we will love him and hope that the turn around day is sooner rather than later
@@beinspired1487 Sorry to hear that you're going through a nightmare. I've witnessed time after time and with my own relatives, that they drink themselves to death. The Drunk will carry on as normal until "the drunk" decides to better him or herself. No amount of help or detox or AA will do the job. It's on the person to get better. Best wishes for your endeavors.
@@craigpennington1251 Thank you for your kind words. Unfortuneately we are hard wired to become obsessed with things and for some it is something destructive, for others of us it something more rewarding, that we throw ourseves into. I think for him, he just wanted a group to be accepted into and that was just the start. Now it is time, and like many people the realization that it is hard to put a life together that we want. Certainly worth the effort, than the alternative and not bother at all , which often entails blaming others for the circumstance. I hope that he along with many other's decids that it is worth the effort. Life can be hard, but so rewarding too, at times
The historian is right about using census records to track family moves. My grandmother was born in Missouri, and the following kids were born in Oklahoma, New Mexico (2), Arizona, and California. That was over a 10 year period. They were travelling west, and every time my great-grandmother got too pregnant to travel, they'd stay in one place for a year or so, and then keep moving on.
I think one should be careful to judge someone's character without knowing the whole history. Ellis might have had mental problems or something traumatic that doesn't show up in the history records might have happened to him and he coped by drinking. It's not necessarily because he had an inherently "weak character"...
Don't like how he slights Ellis, also. Ellis was man enough to marry the mother of his child to "give her a name". This wasn't a failed marriage. He married her while pregnant. And you can't be certain he abandoned them. Given the family structure on the wife's side, I think it more likely that there was a marriage to protect the respectability of both mother and child, and then Ellis was told to get lost once the child was born. He then could honestly tell the Marines that his child was not a dependent. And it would explain how he would remember and list his daughter years later when it really wasn't necessary, except to himself. And yes, I thought we were socially evolved enough not to offhand label an alcoholic as some loser. (In the prior segment in another YT video, Kelsey calls him a Louse because of the L. he had as a middle initial.) In fact, we saw no evidence to say that Ellis was an alcoholic prior to his daughter being born. Nothing rules out that not having his daughter in his life is what led him to the bottle. (I think there is a more likely scenario, but the point is, as you say, we don't know how Ellis got lost in the bottle.)
Unless something has changed "AWOL" means "away without leave"....not "away over leave"....but it basically does mean you were not present at the assigned place / time......
As my family’s historian for the past 20 years, and from a purely genealogical perspective, those ancestors who ended up in civil and criminal courts left a much better paper trail than those law abiding ones. Depending on the case, if other family members were involved, information or clues might be gathered on their lives as well. I’m glad I’ve found some relations who were “ne’er do wells”. 😁 They add much to the local color, and can be more interesting to me versus some of the “do gooders”. Just remember as you dig deeper, you may unearth some things you had no idea were buried long ago. Yep, I have found a few doozies over the years. Cheers
Reminds me of the scene in Fraiser when him and brother Niles find out their relatives were not royalty when they find a old item that belong to Hungarian Royalty but those who stole the item from Hungarian Royalty. BAD indeed.
I researched my father's side several years ago. This included my grandmother's memories. This show from Ancestry makes me want to do it again but with my mom's side. Every family have stories, few have this kind of story. The sadness of it all causes me to neglect working on it.
Thank you Mr. Grammer for letting us in on your personal life. It's something we don't want to hear but nothing really we can do about the past. When we start to dig in the closet, we find things that aren't as well as they should be but there it is and we deal with it. Takes guts to do what you did. Time to move forward on.
Painted a picture similar to my own family, and yes sadly some of my own behaviors. A wise man once said "alcoholics are not bad people, but good people with a bad disease. "
He didn't take care of them. He took all his money as a marine and sent none to the family and abandoned his 12 years old daughter to the point he ha no idea where she lived. Try watching the video before commenting.
For what it's worth..we dig into our ancestry too..and have found a lot of things..some of them surprising. One..Bel Air, California was named after a not so distant cousin. But also..some of them shocking Those of us who go looking have made the commitment..not to judge. They got us here..and we are grateful.
@@michaeldukes4108 I'm more than calm. I was voicing a personal opinion in an open forum. I don't expect to have people reply. I don't troll and I don't force my opinion on anyone. if you found my comment was not in tune with your personal opinion, you could have just moved on as I do when I don't feel as the person that commented. I hope you have a lovely weekend.
You don't sound calm. I worked in a drug and alcohol rehab. Recovering addicts often much harder on active users. Grammar's reaction is not surprising in the light of his own addictions.
My late mother in law's famouse quote..dealing with her alcoholic hubby whom she loved dearly till his death and never made her 6 kids any less respect for their father.Sadly she succumbed to Dementia and sat at his grave not having a clue who was being buried .I will never forget that as I judged her for Not standing up for herself or slapping him to his senses or leaving him ...I cried at remembering those words we say as we marry "" for better or worse"!! Hell no ..not all woman are subservient me included ..but she blessed me with a darling , gentleman of a son ( her only , he has 5 sisters) my husband and father of our 2 sons ..Amen to her RIP Sweet Kathleen
Some of those rogues are heroes as well. Be a hero ruined them further. Ernest Woodrow Neeld. A drunk, a womanizer and a wonderful father and grandfather. A U.S. WW2 veteran under Patten. Sorely missed. Held a lifelong hatred of the Fascist and a tender heart for the less fortunate.
@@bobbyallen7977 Famous man, deserved better. He was a drunk later on and a tragedy, but first he was a Marine who went to war. And rose to the occasion.
With all his own drug and alcohol problems I would think he would be a little less judgemental. The poor guy just didn't have Grammer's money and talent.
*A mark of character is not to judge one's ancestors as we only can use values which are prevalent today but were not seen as desirable in yesteryears. Further the traumatic young life of a child can have severe repercussions in that child's later adult life which they did not initiate and at that time are powerless to stop the direction their life is headed. Weak character? Kelsey may have had better environs in which to develop his opinions but one can wonder if Kelsey would have handled his ancestor's life any better.*
It seems to me that Ellis was daemonised for being a "drunk", but in modern terms we should be looking at him from the perspective that he was an ALCOHOLIC. His actions therefore were almost certainly the result of his illness. Let's not forget that help for people with a drinking problem in those times was someone shouting "just quit drinking!" at them, which would have almost certainly been counter productive to Ellis (I would have thought). That's a far cry from the rehabilitation help that people can get now. Alcoholism is, after all an addicition. So I would have expected Kelsey to see through the "bad" character classification as being the daemonisation that it probably was.
He abandoned his wife and daughter. I worked in an alcohol rehab. Some were just good people with a bad problem and some were bad people with a bad problem.
He was a private in the USMC. Drinking was and still is a huge part of the Corps. Young Marines often have fun, get a girl pregnant and quick marry. It's common to then apply for base housing to get out of the barracks. A lot of low ranking Marines then get dressed down by their CO and told to divorce to save their pay. It's wrong but a part of the life. Glad my Marine son stayed out of that part.
I'll say this. My grandfather was a youngster when he had a wife and a child with another baby on the way, just in his very early 20's. I think he was 21 when my uncle was born and 24 with my father. My grandmother was 15 and 18 when she had her sons. They literally had no business having kids that young when they were both naturally rambunctious and flighty. My father and his brother were dropped off at their grandparents' house and their parents split. My father abandoned me in a similar fashion, so obviously history repeats itself. I don't blame him as abandonment was all he knew. I'm sure with Kelsey's ancestors, it was that they had a hard life and needed alcohol to cope..that a man too young for fatherhood doesn't want that responsibility yet. It's not wonder Kelsey had a drinking problem as well, it runs in the family. It runs in my family where my parents are alcoholics and my sister was becoming one too. Things are past down without you realizing it. You think, 'oh I'll never be like blah blah blah' and you become it. It doesn't make you weak, it just means that you're sick and it's not your fault that you're sick. Something like this requires retrospect where you think back to those days and imagine yourself in the shoes of others from that time. Wouldn't you have a drinking problem in a society where there's no love for males and you're thrust into work (not by your choice) before you can vote? If you feel like your life sucks, especially in those days, I don't think someone could fault you for wanting a vice for yourself.
Alcoholism may indeed run in families, but there's a physiological reason for it. Our brains are different. In rehab 15 years ago, I learned that a regular person can have a beer or a glass of wine and their brain will turn the alcohol into acetic acid. That's just vinegar. Not harmful at all. My brain will turn it into acetaldehyde, which is poison. We also have something called a pleasure track in our brains. Whatever it is that we love, it fits into that pleasure track like a dovetail joint and fires our brains and makes us want more and more. I think many people mistakenly think that we become addicted because we're weak. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sometimes it happens because we were too strong for too long.
@Edie's videos Because back in those days, young boys, who were able bodied, worked. No one cared how they felt or if they wanted to work, they were supposed to. There was no mental health support, no emotional support..if you talked about your feelings as a young boy it was frowned upon. It's what happened to nearly all of the males in my family from back then. Showing love to young boys was not a thing, especially from other males.
In speaking of Genevieve's death at 52 of cirrhosis of the liver, Mr. Grammer says "alcoholism is caused by a broken heart and unresolved grief'". In speaking of Ellis, who died at 60 of arteriosclerosis, he says "he was a night porter... a good job for a drunk". Yes, Ellis sounds like a heel, but we must weigh the evidence fairly, and the evidence is that Genevieve's drinking problem was worse, and longer, than Ellis'. For all we know, she may have driven him to it.
Some experts think is genetic other don´t think is not really. You can inherited mental features and physical from great grand parents or parents. If you marry a relative you may end up with some rare conditions like sclerosis multiple and other illnesses in spite of having healthy parents and grand parents. Only genetic variation can improve humans beings.
There have been studies with twins, separated at birth, that would support the genetic link to alcoholism. These studies were conducted in Europe, where it was easier to conduct such research.
Not the worlds biggest fan but this was interesting watching his reaction to finding this news out, he's obviously upset and embarrassed about it, not that he had no choice in the matter. Interesting content though.
I’m not sure i agree with your assessment of your relative. You got a few snippets of his life from a couple of documents and judge him for that. That’s there equivalent setting a 3min video of someone online and deciding what kind of person they are.
"weak character" yep, that's right, the same weak character that you got when you got trashed and flipped your dodge viper in '96, or when you were sent to jail for DUI '90.
No, times showed some were knock out. So who is this? Ellis island guy? No, think about the immigration and wars. Times were harder than most see. I'd think many from from Ohio had issue. My father's uncle from close was Ernie Pyle. My father switched his name then joined navy. Many stories about secrecy and being sent out means another feeling of undermined action. Good luck in your search.
Sounds like Ellis was fighting some demons...there's no excusing his abandonment of his daughter and wife but it appears he had issues and his daughter may have been better off with her mom's family
I did really well in the corps, even though I was narcoleptic from MSG poisoning most of the time. If I would have known MSG was causing it is would have stayed in. Now however, the world doesn't seem to care about its old broken grunts, not as much as people claim anyway. It's easy to say "thanks for your service", something else all together to do something to help, or make any kind of sacrifice yourself. Semper fi Earthlings
We forgive u tho. We don't care about our history because our family never cared to show us. Amen. Thanks God....what a great father you've been .... Have caused nothing but confusions and left us stranded . Thank u for ur love
Alkoholic beverages habe been consumed in europe since the middle ages or even earlier. Why? Because the water was offen not clean enough to be drunk. So the children were given alkoholic beverages. Everyone was a bit tipsy during this time.
I suspect there is more to the story. I suspect his wife cheated on him, he found out and left when he found out she was pregnant hence why he also didnt want his wages going to her and the child born out of wedlock
I think it might be more a case of PTSD « treated » with excessive drinking. Why put the blame on the wife when there’s absolutely no evidence of wrong doing on her part?! 🙄🙄🙄
Well there's not really evidence of anything besides what he did. For most people, you just end up with birth, marriage, census and death certificates. At least for this guy, we see he was a drunkard. We don't have any evidence about the character of the wife.
No child ever says they want to grow up to become an alcoholic. Yet, when the time comes they are blamed for doing so. Society shows no mercy.
I'm sorry to say, my son is choosing to drink like his father - his father has drunk like a fish at many rimes in his life. We have spent a lot of money over the years and sent him to rehab. At the end of the day someone has to get to their personal low and choose to get the help they need. All we can do is hope he changes his friends' group and make his way in life that is positive to him, we will be here to be there when he wants it. In the mean time we will love him and hope that the turn around day is sooner rather than later
@@beinspired1487 Sorry to hear that you're going through a nightmare. I've witnessed time after time and with my own relatives, that they drink themselves to death. The Drunk will carry on as normal until "the drunk" decides to better him or herself. No amount of help or detox or AA will do the job. It's on the person to get better. Best wishes for your endeavors.
@@craigpennington1251 Thank you for your kind words.
Unfortuneately we are hard wired to become obsessed with things and for some it is something destructive, for others of us it something more rewarding, that we throw ourseves into.
I think for him, he just wanted a group to be accepted into and that was just the start. Now it is time, and like many people the realization that it is hard to put a life together that we want. Certainly worth the effort, than the alternative and not bother at all , which often entails blaming others for the circumstance.
I hope that he along with many other's decids that it is worth the effort. Life can be hard, but so rewarding too, at times
The historian is right about using census records to track family moves. My grandmother was born in Missouri, and the following kids were born in Oklahoma, New Mexico (2), Arizona, and California. That was over a 10 year period. They were travelling west, and every time my great-grandmother got too pregnant to travel, they'd stay in one place for a year or so, and then keep moving on.
I think one should be careful to judge someone's character without knowing the whole history. Ellis might have had mental problems or something traumatic that doesn't show up in the history records might have happened to him and he coped by drinking. It's not necessarily because he had an inherently "weak character"...
Don't like how he slights Ellis, also.
Ellis was man enough to marry the mother of his child to "give her a name". This wasn't a failed marriage. He married her while pregnant.
And you can't be certain he abandoned them. Given the family structure on the wife's side, I think it more likely that there was a marriage to protect the respectability of both mother and child, and then Ellis was told to get lost once the child was born. He then could honestly tell the Marines that his child was not a dependent. And it would explain how he would remember and list his daughter years later when it really wasn't necessary, except to himself.
And yes, I thought we were socially evolved enough not to offhand label an alcoholic as some loser. (In the prior segment in another YT video, Kelsey calls him a Louse because of the L. he had as a middle initial.)
In fact, we saw no evidence to say that Ellis was an alcoholic prior to his daughter being born. Nothing rules out that not having his daughter in his life is what led him to the bottle. (I think there is a more likely scenario, but the point is, as you say, we don't know how Ellis got lost in the bottle.)
@@barbeonline351 - His childhood was not known at this point. Perhaps it was as bad or worse than his child's.
Bahiyma Travels: I agree
Yes, sad when one isn't here to defend themselves. Folks make lots of assumptions.
I don't. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree so I wouldn't judge...... Either of them..... Actually
Kelsey has a great speaking voice
Kelsey? Don't you mean Sideshow Bob?
@@Menaceblue3 Excuse you. Dr Frasier Crane.
I want him and morgan freeman to narrate something, literally anything.
Unless something has changed "AWOL" means "away without leave"....not "away over leave"....but it basically does mean you were not present at the assigned place / time......
He can hold a note or 12 too 🎼🎶
As my family’s historian for the past 20 years, and from a purely genealogical perspective, those ancestors who ended up in civil and criminal courts left a much better paper trail than those law abiding ones. Depending on the case, if other family members were involved, information or clues might be gathered on their lives as well. I’m glad I’ve found some relations who were “ne’er do wells”. 😁 They add much to the local color, and can be more interesting to me versus some of the “do gooders”. Just remember as you dig deeper, you may unearth some things you had no idea were buried long ago. Yep, I have found a few doozies over the years. Cheers
Reminds me of the scene in Fraiser when him and brother Niles find out their relatives were not royalty when they find a old item that belong to Hungarian Royalty but those who stole the item from Hungarian Royalty. BAD indeed.
"We're descended from thieves and whores..."
Wasn't it Russian royalty?
Don't judge me, until you live in my head for my worst year.
I researched my father's side several years ago. This included my grandmother's memories. This show from Ancestry makes me want to do it again but with my mom's side. Every family have stories, few have this kind of story. The sadness of it all causes me to neglect working on it.
Kelsey Grammer is adorable...this was fun watching him react to his ancestors!
I could listen to his voice for hours.
Don't feel bad. We can only strive to be better people than our ancestors were. We can choose to do the right things.
I believe that there is a good story to tell in everyone's bio. That you should never ever remeber the bad in someone. Ellis has that in him somewhere
Thank you Mr. Grammer for letting us in on your personal life. It's something we don't want to hear but nothing really we can do about the past. When we start to dig in the closet, we find things that aren't as well as they should be but there it is and we deal with it. Takes guts to do what you did. Time to move forward on.
Painted a picture similar to my own family, and yes sadly some of my own behaviors. A wise man once said "alcoholics are not bad people, but good people with a bad disease. "
@Michael Cote not all diseases are caught...when was the last time someone "caught" diabetes?
Well Said!
@@donaldgrow8994 - You mean genetically? From their ancestors? Like the propensity for alcoholism?
@@donaldgrow8994 It is not a choice to have diabetes either.
Night Porter, that's a great job for a drunk 🥴 I can hear the screams of derision 🤪
Ironic that he abandoned his wife and children twice.
He didn't take care of them. He took all his money as a marine and sent none to the family and abandoned his 12 years old daughter to the point he ha no idea where she lived. Try watching the video before commenting.
@@Ae13UPrime I think he is talking about Kelsey grammar not his 100 year old ancestor.
I would rather have learned more about the 2 murders in his immediate family.
In my country (USofA) AWOL stands for Absent With Out Leave.
The original entries on his record were "A.O.L", which was what the historian was referring to as "absent over leave".
@@jamesw1659 - thanks, I'll go back someday and watch it again...
This is only the second person I’ve heard of being named Ellis. The first was my sons great great grandfather, who he’s named after.
We are not all descendant from saints
I'm from just a looong looong line of peasants.
For what it's worth..we dig into our ancestry too..and have found a lot of things..some of them surprising. One..Bel Air, California was named after a not so distant cousin. But also..some of them shocking Those of us who go looking have made the commitment..not to judge. They got us here..and we are grateful.
how history in a family repeats itself. He acts so pious. he must not have a mirror at home or he would surely see himself in ellis!
Well he has become rich so probably sees himself different and string due to it.
He’s publicly accounted and owned up for his sins. Relax. This is about genealogy.
@@michaeldukes4108 I'm more than calm. I was voicing a personal opinion in an open forum. I don't expect to have people reply. I don't troll and I don't force my opinion on anyone. if you found my comment was not in tune with your personal opinion, you could have just moved on as I do when I don't feel as the person that commented. I hope you have a lovely weekend.
@@ninagonzalez5046 You voiced your opinion in a public space, expect feedback. Don't want to hear opposing views, stay out of public space.
You don't sound calm. I worked in a drug and alcohol rehab. Recovering addicts often much harder on active users. Grammar's reaction is not surprising in the light of his own addictions.
Theres atleast one in every family....
My late mother in law's famouse quote..dealing with her alcoholic hubby whom she loved dearly till his death and never made her 6 kids any less respect for their father.Sadly she succumbed to Dementia and sat at his grave not having a clue who was being buried .I will never forget that as I judged her for Not standing up for herself or slapping him to his senses or leaving him ...I cried at remembering those words we say as we marry "" for better or worse"!! Hell no ..not all woman are subservient me included ..but she blessed me with a darling , gentleman of a son ( her only , he has 5 sisters) my husband and father of our 2 sons ..Amen to her RIP Sweet Kathleen
Addictions to alcohol or any other drug can reduce a human to the lowest level imaginable. All addicts are victims, not perpetrators.
The old expression "Let sleeping dogs lie" seems about right
There’s a reason why some expressions stay with us.
When you look at Kelsey Grammers own history you have to wonder if the Grammers are "cursed".
They just deal with a lot of bad grammar.
@@spacecat7247 Good one!
@@spacecat7247 🤣🤣😄😄🥃Cheers
Well the apple does not fall far from the tree lol
There may be some rogues mixed in with the heroes in most ancestry.
Oh yeah without a doubt
Some of those rogues are heroes as well. Be a hero ruined them further.
Ernest Woodrow Neeld.
A drunk, a womanizer and a wonderful father and grandfather. A U.S. WW2 veteran under Patten. Sorely missed. Held a lifelong hatred of the Fascist and a tender heart for the less fortunate.
@@ryandavis7593 and Ira Hays too.Have you ever heard of him?
@@bobbyallen7977 Famous man, deserved better. He was a drunk later on and a tragedy, but first he was a Marine who went to war. And rose to the occasion.
Kelsey seems to have followed in his ancestors footsteps with wife abandonment. Did he marry a mistress too?
And now he's off to Oregon ‼️
That wristwatch though 😍
With all his own drug and alcohol problems I would think he would be a little less judgemental. The poor guy just didn't have Grammer's money and talent.
If there is one person with good reasons to go for the bottle, it's Kelsey Graham. Give the man a break.
*A mark of character is not to judge one's ancestors as we only can use values which are prevalent today but were not seen as desirable in yesteryears. Further the traumatic young life of a child can have severe repercussions in that child's later adult life which they did not initiate and at that time are powerless to stop the direction their life is headed. Weak character? Kelsey may have had better environs in which to develop his opinions but one can wonder if Kelsey would have handled his ancestor's life any better.*
Look at Kelsey Grammar's early life on wikipedia, and then remove your comment.
Kelly Grammers early life had so much tragedy if it was made into a movie it would be hard to believe if you didn't already know the story.
Dont judge your forebears with today's morals, if they could judge you by their morals they would be as equally horrified.
Basically described my father LOL boy talk about memories
Hmmm Kelsye, I think you're being a bit harsh on the man myself.
It seems to me that Ellis was daemonised for being a "drunk", but in modern terms we should be looking at him from the perspective that he was an ALCOHOLIC. His actions therefore were almost certainly the result of his illness. Let's not forget that help for people with a drinking problem in those times was someone shouting "just quit drinking!" at them, which would have almost certainly been counter productive to Ellis (I would have thought). That's a far cry from the rehabilitation help that people can get now. Alcoholism is, after all an addicition. So I would have expected Kelsey to see through the "bad" character classification as being the daemonisation that it probably was.
He abandoned his wife and daughter. I worked in an alcohol rehab. Some were just good people with a bad problem and some were bad people with a bad problem.
He was a private in the USMC. Drinking was and still is a huge part of the Corps. Young Marines often have fun, get a girl pregnant and quick marry. It's common to then apply for base housing to get out of the barracks. A lot of low ranking Marines then get dressed down by their CO and told to divorce to save their pay. It's wrong but a part of the life. Glad my Marine son stayed out of that part.
Yeah very fascinating almost parallels in some aspects
alcoholism is a disease - you don't say someone has a weak character for any other disease
I'll say this.
My grandfather was a youngster when he had a wife and a child with another baby on the way, just in his very early 20's. I think he was 21 when my uncle was born and 24 with my father. My grandmother was 15 and 18 when she had her sons. They literally had no business having kids that young when they were both naturally rambunctious and flighty. My father and his brother were dropped off at their grandparents' house and their parents split.
My father abandoned me in a similar fashion, so obviously history repeats itself. I don't blame him as abandonment was all he knew.
I'm sure with Kelsey's ancestors, it was that they had a hard life and needed alcohol to cope..that a man too young for fatherhood doesn't want that responsibility yet. It's not wonder Kelsey had a drinking problem as well, it runs in the family. It runs in my family where my parents are alcoholics and my sister was becoming one too. Things are past down without you realizing it. You think, 'oh I'll never be like blah blah blah' and you become it. It doesn't make you weak, it just means that you're sick and it's not your fault that you're sick. Something like this requires retrospect where you think back to those days and imagine yourself in the shoes of others from that time.
Wouldn't you have a drinking problem in a society where there's no love for males and you're thrust into work (not by your choice) before you can vote? If you feel like your life sucks, especially in those days, I don't think someone could fault you for wanting a vice for yourself.
Alcoholism may indeed run in families, but there's a physiological reason for it. Our brains are different. In rehab 15 years ago, I learned that a regular person can have a beer or a glass of wine and their brain will turn the alcohol into acetic acid. That's just vinegar. Not harmful at all. My brain will turn it into acetaldehyde, which is poison. We also have something called a pleasure track in our brains. Whatever it is that we love, it fits into that pleasure track like a dovetail joint and fires our brains and makes us want more and more.
I think many people mistakenly think that we become addicted because we're weak. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sometimes it happens because we were too strong for too long.
"No love for males"???
@Edie's videos Because back in those days, young boys, who were able bodied, worked. No one cared how they felt or if they wanted to work, they were supposed to. There was no mental health support, no emotional support..if you talked about your feelings as a young boy it was frowned upon.
It's what happened to nearly all of the males in my family from back then.
Showing love to young boys was not a thing, especially from other males.
Women didn't have it any better, and often times much worse.
Good looking up such of your past. Mine goes deep into Ireland where the sheep roam to grow wool.
In speaking of Genevieve's death at 52 of cirrhosis of the liver, Mr. Grammer says "alcoholism is caused by a broken heart and unresolved grief'".
In speaking of Ellis, who died at 60 of arteriosclerosis, he says "he was a night porter... a good job for a drunk".
Yes, Ellis sounds like a heel, but we must weigh the evidence fairly, and the evidence is that Genevieve's drinking problem was worse, and longer, than Ellis'. For all we know, she may have driven him to it.
So abandoning your family runs in the family
so drinking runs in the family
Some experts think is genetic other don´t think is not really. You can inherited mental features and physical from great grand parents or parents. If you marry a relative you may end up with some rare conditions like sclerosis multiple and other illnesses in spite of having healthy parents and grand parents. Only genetic variation can improve humans beings.
There have been studies with twins, separated at birth, that would support the genetic link to alcoholism. These studies were conducted in Europe, where it was easier to conduct such research.
For some I think it's a curse and for some it seems to be a sport
If I were Kelsey Grammar, I would have turned to alcohol aswell, until I had no brain cell left.
“Luffbruh ” = Loughborough.
0:34 Thats pretty late for Marine Corps Enlistment. In fact that's one year later than maximum age of enlistment.
Kelsey Grammer Is My Buddy ☺❤I Love Him. Kelsey And I Are Friends Now. He's The Greatest Man
Whenever I hear his voice I kinda expect him to burst into a Gilbert and Sullivan song 😁
"Everyone has their breaking point.
With me it's spiders
With you it's me" _Tragically Hip_
Judge not least ye be judged Kelsey.
Not the worlds biggest fan but this was interesting watching his reaction to finding this news out, he's obviously upset and embarrassed about it, not that he had no choice in the matter. Interesting content though.
After this, watching Frasier will be a bit more difficult, with all the drinking they do.
Uncle Jerr! You still alive! I knew it!
Well Kelsey an enormous talent and star but built on some ancestral clay. We are all vulnerable. He done good.
I wonder why the year of Ellis's draft card says 1879? 6:49
The human condition is always peppered with faults.
Kelsey Grammer is such a beautiful soul.
Kelsey... LOVE YOUR SHOW!!!!! laugh out loud FUNNY!
Watching Fraizer now..
Wow a bit like what Kelsey did to his wife. It's in the family
@Cathie Stead - The one who tried to shoot him?
Sure doesnt sound like "the Boss", but I really like K.G.
I’m not sure i agree with your assessment of your relative. You got a few snippets of his life from a couple of documents and judge him for that. That’s there equivalent setting a 3min video of someone online and deciding what kind of person they are.
Loughborough is pronounced luffbra.
he discovers his father is a New York cop???
ACAB
Kelsey is great
Not Ellis
"weak character" yep, that's right, the same weak character that you got when you got trashed and flipped your dodge viper in '96, or when you were sent to jail for DUI '90.
No, times showed some were knock out. So who is this? Ellis island guy? No, think about the immigration and wars. Times were harder than most see. I'd think many from from Ohio had issue. My father's uncle from close was Ernie Pyle. My father switched his name then joined navy. Many stories about secrecy and being sent out means another feeling of undermined action.
Good luck in your search.
Wonder what ppl will get from posts and tweets 100 years from now and try to judge and weigh their lives by.... toowoke
The 1909 version of the Big Chicken Dinner... what a guy.
Fine anecdotal evidence of the hereditary nature of alcoholism 🤐
Judgemental dude.
What’s the big deal Fraser the guy had a drinking problem do you think nobody today has a drinking problem
Sounds like Ellis was fighting some demons...there's no excusing his abandonment of his daughter and wife but it appears he had issues and his daughter may have been better off with her mom's family
I did really well in the corps, even though I was narcoleptic from MSG poisoning most of the time. If I would have known MSG was causing it is would have stayed in. Now however, the world doesn't seem to care about its old broken grunts, not as much as people claim anyway. It's easy to say "thanks for your service", something else all together to do something to help, or make any kind of sacrifice yourself. Semper fi Earthlings
Its amazing what you can do when you have money
Kelsey acting shocked when he literally has left every wife for his mistress’s x 4
Does anyone really give a damn about another person's history? I haven't watched these but felt like ranting a little. :D
I have no interest in my own history
Terribly judgemental.
Kelsey, is a treasure
We forgive u tho. We don't care about our history because our family never cared to show us. Amen. Thanks God....what a great father you've been .... Have caused nothing but confusions and left us stranded . Thank u for ur love
Alkoholic beverages habe been consumed in europe since the middle ages or even earlier. Why?
Because the water was offen not clean enough to be drunk.
So the children were given alkoholic beverages.
Everyone was a bit tipsy during this time.
He's a republican. It runs in the family.
Cool. Are you willing to attribute weak character to the current "equity" movement?
I suspect there is more to the story. I suspect his wife cheated on him, he found out and left when he found out she was pregnant hence why he also didnt want his wages going to her and the child born out of wedlock
I think it might be more a case of PTSD « treated » with excessive drinking. Why put the blame on the wife when there’s absolutely no evidence of wrong doing on her part?! 🙄🙄🙄
To O. why would you think that ? I saw no evidence in support of your speculation in the story .
Well there's not really evidence of anything besides what he did. For most people, you just end up with birth, marriage, census and death certificates. At least for this guy, we see he was a drunkard. We don't have any evidence about the character of the wife.
The child would be born in wedlock. They was married but he left her while pregnant. The child was born in wedlock.
@@Dayvit78 Actually they found out she died of alcoholism as well.