Bulls vs Pistons Rivalry Part 2: Bulls Inching Closer, Finally Prevail (1990 & 1991 Playoffs)
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2014
- All altercations, trash talks, hard fouls, big dunks, ejections, tehnical fouls and intense moments from the '90 and '91 playoff battles between Bulls and Pistons. A lot of new fights and hard fouls between two hated rivals, just watch it and enjoy.
1990 EC Finals
For the 1989-90 season under new coach Phil Jackson, the Bulls sought to subvert the "Jordan Rules" by focusing on the triangle offense refined by assistant coach Tex Winter. By sharing responsibility rather than shouldering it, Jordan led Chicago to the second-best record in the East at 55-27 behind the defending champion Pistons, who finished 59-23.
The rematch was set up when Detroit swept Indiana in the opening round, then ousted New York in 5. The Bulls beat the Bucks in 4 and 76ers in 5. In an Eastern Conference Finals rematch, Chicago pushed Detroit to the limit. But the Pistons showed their dominance and won Game 7 at home. The Pistons went on to win their 2nd straight NBA title against the Blazers.
1991 EC Finals
The Game 7 loss resulted in a stronger Bulls team the following season. With greater concentration on teamwork, they posted the best record in the East at 61-21 and Jordan regained the MVP award after years of being called a selfish player. The Pistons would drop to third in the East with a record of 50-32. Both teams meet in the Conference Finals for the third straight year, with Chicago holding home-court advantage for the first time.
The Bulls reached the Conference Finals by sweeping the Knicks and beating the 76ers in 5, while the Pistons disposed of Atlanta in 5 and beat Boston in 6. While some still doubted Chicago and maintained that Detroit's psychological edge and bench strength would loom over the series, the Bulls' 3 years of growing pains gave them the drive that not only inspired the greatness necessary to defeat the Pistons, but a decade. Proving their growth, Chicago swept Detroit. Isiah Thomas, Bill Laimbeer and Mark Aguirre, in their last show of defiance, walked off the court with 7.9 seconds left so as not to congratulate them. Only Joe Dumars and John Salley shook hands with any of the Bulls. 
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It’s noticeable how much more muscle Jordan, Pippen, and especially Grant put on between the 1990 and 1991 seasons. Bench guys like BJ Armstrong and Will Perdue as well; it definitely made the difference against the Pistons. Eddie Nealy’s blue collar grit and muscle was missed in 1991, but Cliff Levingston and Scott Williams came in and brought a combination of muscle, athleticism, and emotional intensity.
He put on muscle IN ‘90. From ‘89 to ‘90 he put on about 10 lbs of solid muscle. By the end of ‘90, the start of the ‘91 season, he’d put on another 7-8 lbs on top of that. He said he was about was 213.
Watching this my emotion for basketball is back. Today the NBA is lost, but thank God for youtube and oldschool basketball!
As a DIEHARD MJ fan losing to the Pistons 3 consecutive years in a row was devastating but MJ just kept working harder and harder until finally he and the Bulls moved past them in 91! The fact the Pistons didn't give MJ the respect after Game 4 was and always will be the reason MJ hates Ishah Thomas! MJ was always respectful after each loss to them!
Hi there. I mention this to you, kindly - The Bulls were talking mad sh*t in the media Prior to that Game 4 in 1991. Jordan had said the Pistons were bad for basketball amd undeserving champions.
Besides, Dumars & Rodman & Salley all shook hands with Jordan, post-game.
@@ryanjoslynboo hoo
That's why Jordan didn't pick isiah Thomas for the dream team in 92.
some of the most athletic defensive plays I've ever seen in this vid...and also some straight up bruising too
marzilyas A lot of players would be ejected in todays game if they played this physical. I'm 47yrs old and I miss those days.
Anyone who thinks Lebron is better than MJ needs to look at these 2 videos. This is the kind of hostile atmosphere in which MJ became great. He has the highest point-per-game (30+) and it's even higher in the playoffs. And most of this was accomplished in a defensive era of the NBA.
The duke... Lebron won against warriors twas bcoz of kyrie, & supporting cast.. a lot of them were all star players, won against spurs bcos of parkers selfish plays, and on the next year miami almost sweep, spurs were aged team too, yet they were no match at finals..dahhhhh
@The Duke Jordan aged dynasties out, Jordan aged the NBA out
Actually the 80s was a relatively high scoring era
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 The early to mid 80s were high scoring. When the Pistons came on the scene, that started a more defensive era. Just look at the scores in NBA matches. Mid 80s 140-128. Early 90s 100-98.
@@genismichaeljapay4654 speak English illiterate
The Bulls vs. Pistons Playoffs Series, was the best rivalry next to the Lakers vs. Celtics Playoff Series in my opinion. Pure Competitive Drama on both ends of the floor, is what the NBA is missing the most this generation.
I'm not sure if it was better than the Pistons vs. Celtics rivalry.
Celtics vs Sixers was way more intense of a rivalry than Lakers cs celtics. Those games were fucking wars!
The Pistons would have stunk if the NBA had actually called fouls on there cheap shots. Laimbeer and Mahorn should nt have lasted a quarter. Rodman always has said he respects Jordan so much for being great in spite of the thug tactics of the bad boys and later Ewing s Knicks teams
@@sukhastings4200jordan just soft , bird and magic played the same way in the playoffs DIRTY
those early 90s bulls vs knicks series was something fierce
Nobody played as dirty as the Pistons did...and yet, once Mike got the best of them one time, they became nothing but a memory afterwards. M.J...all day!
Yeah they physically injured themselves into retirement with their playstyle shortly after 1991. They chose their own doom and made themselves a "memory"
Hubbie Brown has commentated on every legendary basketball game and playoff series.
"EVERY" one, huh? The ignorant words of a millennial.
Pistons made the Bulls stronger
The Celtics made The pistons stronger...etc...
@@yousri.g.1348 And the Sixers made the Celtics stronger...etc...
@@PeekaPeep etc...and etc...and etc...
@yousrig1348 Actually, Milwaukee made the Pistons tougher before they ran up against the C's
34:39 it's evident the difference of Michael's body language and facial expression between 1990 and 1991 .....you won't see such a reaction from him in the previous years.
He just felt it .... and we all did with him :
in 1990 we knew it was still Pistons' time, despite the Bulls' growth; as well as in 1991 everybody could perceive in the air it was arrived the time for Michael and Chicago
This is awesome. I get to watch greatness and get a hearing test at the same time!
Lol
You could clearly see the NBA " Jordan Rules" in some of these highlights
You see what Rodman did on that play: he grabs MJ's hip and sends him sprawling. Dirty play.
And Jordan hired him as a teammate five years later. Rodman couldn't have been that bad.
Cuz they can’t play good defense. All they do is foul. That’s not basketball. Ya cry bout harden getting cheap fouls. But Jordan gets fouled every other play. We can’t watch 5 minutes of gameplay without a foul which means they didn’t have good defense
@@ykyadi525 Rodman,Dumars and Isiah can't play defense? Lol. The reason they fouled hard is because they were allowed to. Why instead of commiting a normal foul wouldn't you commit harder fouls if punishment is the same? It made sense.
This was all back when NBA basketball was For Men Only.
And it was phenomenal in those days.
Thank you for putting this together and sharing this. Watching the Pistons walk off with 7.9 seconds left was the icing on the cake for all Bulls fans.
Loved it why not walk off with the refs announcers all on Jordans team how can you beat the fools. In all jordans finals can't beat jordan and the refs. Loved the bad boys giving it to jordan took him 3 years to get it right plus the refs
@@sactownsteelers6748 Clowns like you always say they win because of the refs but win your team wins it has nothing to do with the refs smh,they were just better and beat them at their own dirty game that’s why they got so mad and walked off.Couldn’t bully the bulls so they left crying 😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
They bunch of straight up bitches.,😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@sactownsteelers6748 If you have to play dirty then you suck.
perfect companion to "The Jordan Rules"
Pistons were badass against Jordan, stopping him in every direction of offense.
Wow not many people would appreciate the effort it took to create this video. I do! Thanks so much Larry Legend!!
Nothing is easy. You had to earn it. Everytime theydrove to the lane ,the defense collapsed. Physical. Michael "The Great " Jordan.
Anybody who says the Pistons weren't dirty is delusional.
+mrwoods22 Bill Laimbeer fucking scumbag
Anybody who thinks ANY player is good enough to win SIX consecutive titles without the help of the League which said player pulled BACK from the brink of BANKRUPTCY in his rookie season with his high-flying antics is INSANE!! After he threatened to RETIRE if the Pistons physical style wasn't"stopped" The NBA HANDED Jordan 6 titles to keep him from leaving,and casting the League back into financial straits!! Jordan was simply Sterns money-ho.
+Paul Donovan Stop it
oh please if Jordan had had more help earlier the Pistons would not have win shit you saw what happened when Pippen and Grant finally came in to their own they couldnt even fucking win a game
+Paul Donovan Paul is right. the media called Jordan the greatest player of all time, not Jordan himself. why you ask? stern. simple as that. stern owned the NBA media to keep Jordan as a iconic figure for basketball since magic and bird was gone. he's a Jew. What else do you expect. the pistons were just playing basketball. Jordan had to make them stop just to get that ring. BUT, the Knicks did the same thing during their rivalry with the bulls, and Jordan didn't complain about that. right.... jordan had his ring and stern had the rules set for him to win regardless of the opposition at that point.
Imagine James Edwards early in his career without using drugs.
I could say 80's and 90's it's more physical game and penetration, outside shootings s more better than today, but mj s exceptional..
Today's game sucks you primadonna
@EveryDayIsAGoodDay screw the ball handling which is carries anyway and screw the 3 point shooting which is just guys chucking them up early in the shot clock you i/diot
@EveryDayIsAGoodDayno better spacing and communication and not better athletes you i/diot
I agree on that, that NBA was so better.
It doesn't look like they change the rules as you can see in 1991 ECF the game still rough and physical, that's why this excuses of Thomas that they loss because they change the game is damn bullshit
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John Salley only one that showed some class at the end
daniel james joe Dumars did too
that makes sense I guess Dumars wasnt really dirty like the rest
daniel james he was know as the good boy of pistons,he didn't need to be bad he killed them with his play,Jordan has said dumars was one of the toughest players he ever played against
Don't forget Dumars
correction: Jordan is on record as saying Joseph Dumars the Third was *the* toughest defender he ever played against
Thank you for both videos. I am reading book of name Michael Jordan The Life and I needed watch it. This War on Floor!
Pistonz Bad Boyz woulda beat Shaq and Kobe with that defense.........
radragonmc Kobe would've had a fit going down the lane.
+Great One Shaq would have put Laimbeer on his ass would've averaged 35 a game
Thatz true.......but Mahorn woulda bitch-slapped Kobe like a hooker on friday night for coming down the lane for one of his over-rated dunks.......
@Lake Dodge the 04 pistons was a shadow of these pistons and Shaq and Kobe got their ass handed to them. Sorre.
04 pistons got them anyways
The reason the bulls beat the pistons was because Scottie pippen finally came around as a player. The pistons didn't stop Jordan at all its just Scottie was not that good in his first 2 years and he was soild in his third year but not totally there yet
I'm so glad somebody finally said that. The argument is that Jordan was just handed Pippen and everything was just championship after championship thereafter. People dont realize that Pippen was trash when he first came into the league and only got better when Jordan took him AND Horance Grant ( which eventually left ) under his wing and made them better. I really wish people would read Sam Smith's "The Jordan Rules" and educate themselves and that includes Srephen A. Smith as well. Before opening their mouths bc most if not ALL of them dont know shit.
@@sahdirellis4901 Sam Smith? That Jordan ass-kisser? No, thanks. Jordan was NOTHING playoff-wise without Scottie Pippen.
Pippen was more than just solid his third year. He made his first All-Star team largely based on being the second best player on the second best team in the East. He also played all of Game 7 with a migraine and ended up hurting the team on both ends and attempted only 10 shots, making just 1, and toward the end of the game, the Pistons knew he was absolutely no threat and the Jordan was 1 on 5 the rest of the way. With a healthy Scottie, Game 7 becomes very winnable.
But yeah, he wasn't quite Scottie Pippen yet. He improved from a top 30 player in '90 to a top 10 player in '91 and then a top 3 player by '94. Just seeing how much Pippen controlled the game on both ends of the court in '91 vs '90 is night and day. In 91' Pippen was the second best player on the court during the entire Bulls postseason until the Finals. In '90 he was just barely the fourth best player in the ECF, and the Pistons had the next 4 best players (Rodman, Aguirre, Johnson and Laimbeer) before Horace Grant, but in Game 7, he wasn't even the 10th best player on the court.
Also you can't discount the maturation of other key players on the Bulls, especially Grant and Armstrong...
@@JAWrightonline to be fair he would've probably made at least a few Ecfs without pippen later in his career
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 However, he wouldn't have won NBA Titles without Scottie Pippen.
brilliant stuff. thank you for sharing!
The fouls that mj took only shows how much guts he had to continue to drive without flopping or crying like the so called goat of today..
12:14 That defense. Rodman was all up on Jordan.
The Pistons got tough by getting beat up by the Celtics and Lakers. People seem to forget the those close series. Bad Boys could of won at least Two more championships.
+truthsetsyou4ree You can say that about a lot different series. Isiah sprained his ankle game 6 in 88. Detroit was up 3-2 and really still should've won. Bogus foul on Laimbeer sent Kareem to the line to hit the winning FT's to force game 7
Tone37,if Isaiah wasn't playing on a FRACTURED ankle in Game 6 in '88,and Laimbeer isn't whistled for"phantom foul"on Kareem,the Pistons threepeat"and if Bird hadn't stolen the inbounds pass and dished it to Dennis Johnson,maybe a"FOUR-play"!! If Jordan didn't say in pre-series interview before 91 Conference Finals:"I don't know;if the Pistons style of play isn't"stopped";I might just have to think about RETIRING."they grab a FIFTH consecutive title!!
And then you woke up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Paul Donovan fucking delusional 😭
Sally: "We put Jordan on his back"
Bad Boys for life hahahah. Detroit Pollock Gin-Doe-Braa.
Jordan: "We put the Pistons on vacation."
heaviest..physicallity..tremendously strong..both teams
nice work! where did you get the footage? If you have the early bulls series and the 91-93 games and playoffs, I'd like to discuss business with you. Thanks!
Pistons bad boys is over, bulls revenge is complete
After defeating the bulls in two straight playoffs to win back to back championships.
27:55 RIP James Edwards
He not dead foo!
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James Edwards is not dead!
Curry would be 'smothered' and would be NO FACTOR!!!!!
+Shawn Thomas You do realize he doesn't have to drive to the paint all the time. Unlike most of teams in the 80-90s. His main weapon is his uncanny shooting ability.
+Shawn Thomas Isiah and Dumars were good defenders but they'd get hit from the outside just like the guards today do and just like Brian said all those physical tactics wouldn't be a factor to him bc he doesn't drive as much
+Jonny Kilroy agree, gsw today can beat them
jeric cordero How old are you 12? Today's NBA is weak and soft the rules have been altered to promote scoring. Like I said... Pistons would have DESTROYED the Warriors. Matter of fact Bulls and Knicks too.
Shawn Thomas yes i am, It’s too hard to measure when the guy played different era it creates arguments, pistons bad boys aren't good in perimeter shots on the other hand gsw great shooters of all time, hand checking rules and illegal zone defense no more today, I challenge u to play with me nba2k
52:00 minute mark - Marv Albert bringing up Jordan’s disdain for Detroit, and wanting to kill that team.
This is why certain Pistons players didn’t shake hands at end of Game 4. Joe Dumars, Rodman and Salley did though.
Boo hoo you
Pistons taught the Bulls everything they where missing as a team. Dirty maybe but it was effective for them. Solid guys and they played as they are.
Detroit owned Chicago in playoffs prior to the 1991 Detroit ouster..
I saw badboys on TV hammer Chicago
Pistons were better, than the bulls.
Detroit was a bunch of bush league hacks. On the bright side, it made the Bulls the Greatest team of all time.
Detroit never Stopped Mike. He gave them da biddness. He just had very little help. Pippen and Grant were inconsistent and his big man and PG were Neely and Paxson. But that's never mentioned. Just sayin✌🏾
pistons leaving 7.9 seconds left in the game is one of the most disgraceful moments in nba history
Tomasz Mikołajek one of the most badass moments
Yet nobody mentions how Boston did the same thing three years earlier
Yes indeed - Larry Bird walked off the court while Adrian Dantley was at the line. I blame Dick Ebersol for the narrative that the Pistons were villains. Ebersol successfully sold the Olympics in LA in 1984, while head of NBC Sports. And as President of NBC, I think he set company policy, voiced by Fratello and Marv “the biter” Albert , that the Pistons were bad for basketball. Whatever. By the way, Ebersol once paid $10,000+ at some event, to find out, who Carly Simon was singing about in “You’re so Vain” Ewwww. Hehe 🥳 🤢
Jordan attacked the Pistons personally before that game so what
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 Jordan did NOT attack the Pistons. Pistons attacked him for 3 yrs on the other hand
If you can keep driving against these pistons, you would break them...its what Jordan did...man the pistons were dirty and bruising but tough as nails...I miss this era of nba..you had to earn your shots...same with the knicks...its what made Jordan and Pippen...ty for the video...just fix the audio if you can..
Checkout Mike’s body transformation. Was a lot more bulkier/muscular here from the previous ECF. MJ was ready.
Nice touch with The Blues Brothers ushering in the 1990-91 ECF 😎🎹🏀
i still hate laimbeer😜
He's still a prick lol
@@ericthomas7560 and proud of it.He chose to be hated. I guess that's another way to be to well known and unforgettable.
So after playing alone vs all 88' & 89', Jordan learned to pass the ball.
Already knew to pass the ball genius, teammates learned how to make shots
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 cut it out he even mentioned it cuz he didn't keep them in the flow untill he was being stop down the stretch
@@michaelallen8112 you cut it out cause those missed layups by Cartwright dont deceive the eyes
@@michaelallen8112 get off Pippen's jock btw cause i know you aint gonna talk about his shortcomings against Detroit
If you watch Isiah Thomas jump ball against Will Perdue at the 49:10 mark you will see he not only out jumps Perdue but his hand is at the top of the backboard which would be about a 50-52 inch vertical, incredible!!!
That's just the camera angle (look at that dude that claims to have a 63 inch vertical). Even with that angle, Isiah's head doesn't get over the rim so the doctored camera maximum vertical was 47 inches (73 inches plus 47 = 120). There are no other camera shots with Isiah's head any near the top of the rim during dunks or blocks, but Isiah could get up there, even over 30 years old. He was still near his prime in '91 and not anywhere near washed up like Pistons fans claim...
@@OlJackBurton no his wrist was gone bad, he still could play, but it was hard to keep his wrist consistent
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 Then he has no business saying he should have been on the Dream Team more than a year later. They had already given up one legacy spot to Bird and a token spot to Laettner. Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price and Dumars were the next best guards by then and more efficient, Rodman, Coleman and Larry Johnson were the next best forwards (should have been Wilkins, but he just tore his Achilles) and Daugherty/Shaq was the next best center. All of them were probably more deserving of a spot than Isiah. Can't really have it both ways. He was either the second or third best PG in the league at the time or he wasn't...
Isiah used his left hand to hold Purdue down while pushing himself up. Jumped into Purdue's body so hard to see.
52:50 Phil Jackson about the benefits of fighting
Allowing fighting is mixed baby. The NHL does allow it and it is most common after hits and other fouls not called by the officials. Most players have to be able to hold their own in a fight. There are rules about what is allowed and isn't in a fight. Msrty McSorley played for years much of that time protecting The Great One. After Gretzky retired McSorley became a Boston Bruin, good team but one he hit an opponent in the head with his stick and really hurt him. He was suspended for the rest of the year, charged with a serious assult and ended up never playing again.
If Brad Marchand keep up his unnecessary dirty play he's going to sleu foot somebody, hurt them real bad and end up like McSorley. Take it easy on the rough stuf,f Brad, and keep knocking in goals including some short handed ones. I love short handed goals.
There is one more thing about hockey. Two few guys take too much of the fighting burden. One young "enforcer died after hundreds of fights. I don't think he died as a result.of any fight. I think he.was very slowly beaten to death and his final fight just finally finished him off.
3:22 Takes so damn long for James Edwards to figure out what happened I googled him to see if he was developmentally disabled.
Look at 22 points for Jordan oh my goodness he just has a way of working that magic under the pressure... How does that go in?! Howard Cosell voice
A little taste of how heated it got between these two teams. It was a big time rivalry.
Best team rivalry I've seen.
Its funny that on every fight Horace Grant was always there as the peace maker.
Now, that is physical game and Dennis Rodman vs Mike Jordan,wow!😯😮😀😁😷
Some have said that the Pistons learned their dirty play from the Celtics and that is a flat out LIE! The Celtics played aggressive but were not dirty. You've never heard any player call the Celtics dirty in that era. Elbows, choke holds, shoving after the play is over. There's a difference between playing aggressive and playing flat out dirty like the Pistons did!
Celtics not dirty? Tell that to Kareem, Rambis, Worthy, and Dr. J. It's not a flat out lie that the Celtics were dirty, it's on video tape.
Jordan has always been protected. Oh my God what a baby when he went up against the Detroit bad boys it was game on.
Try harder trolll
US dream team Head coach Chuck Daly was being picked in the summer 1991
One of the only teams that could stop Jordan in the playoffs. Bad Boys were badass, all the way.
Why are they playing football in a basketball court 😂
That's why Jordan got Rodman because he knew how good he was. And he knew he would work. They had had high respect for each others game. And i have to give to Jordan for recognizing that Rodman was that good.
That is false! Jordan and Pippen didn't want Rodman. Phil Jackson wanted Rodman
@@keysersoze540 But Jordan and Pippen gladly accepted him... They respected his defense and his rebounding.....
@@keysersoze540 It's true that Jordan wanted Rodman. Just like it's true that the Celtics played dirty and the Pistons gave Boston a taste of their own medicine. Celtics could dish it out but couldn't take it.
@@mickeyjohnson5247 Are you the same Mickey Johnson who played for the Bulls and the Bucks?
@@JAWrightonline Lol no.
0:43--this video's first example of The Jordan Rules.
Disgraceful bullies run off with 7.9 sec left when their tactics don't work anymore...Thomas is a disgrace.
Fire the sound man geez great vid though
John Salley is the only one that had class when they got swept.
Stellar
To Paul Donovan:
A miracle, he can write even though he is blind and deaf
Gr8 footage
I like how James Edwards slaps Nealy and then backs away from him. That was cowardly.
Pistons were loaded with cowards. Girly boy Laimbeer was good at cheap shotting someone and running away
Rodman really got under your skin. Same way reggie miller did, both great players and trash talkers
44:53 wholesome moment between pippen and Rodman
(22:10) "Earth Jordan" lol
17:37 from Zeke, the most surprising hi5 of Nba history 👍👍🙏
Yes Michael!
Who was in the booth with Marv Albert for Game 4 of '91.
Voice doesn't ring a bell; Piston's radio guy, maybe?
Mike Fratello aka The Czar of the Telestrator
look at jordans defense in there with the big guys. 6’6 guard in there like a center contesting them all
this whoile video explains to new york fans why the big bad tough knicks of the early 90's could never out-physical or intimidate the Bulls....now matter hoiw hard they tried...Bulls been through the fire and were made of steel thanks to the Bad Boys.
Basketball was so good back then
It doesnt matter how old i get or how many times i watch this rivalry its always infuriating. The pistons didnt have the balls to play chicago clean. The only way they knew how to win was by legitimately hurting other players on top of all the hand checking.
They were a bunch of cowards
Will Perdue may not have been that skilled of a player, but he certainly didn't take any shit from the Pistons.
Salley was giving em fits😂
16:09 THAT JORDAN EURO STOP
Can u pls make video of pistons vs celtics too? Pretty pls🤗👍😷
its funny when the bulls gave those hard fouls back pistons looked at them crazy
Well the thing was Pistons had to play ruff they learn that by losing to Boston all the time in the playoffs. Boston was just as bad. So where the top teams in the NBA at the time.
Back then, there were hard fouls and then there were whatever the Pistons were doing 😂
37:48 little love from rodman..haha
So much hypocrisy in the comments section. That Pistons team was one of the greatest in NBA history and probably the most underated. They did not invent physical basketball. They learned from getting beat down by the great Celtic teams of the 80's. MJ cried all the time about them but had no problem with his team playing that way. He had no issue with bringing Rodman in later either. Physical play did not end with the demise of the Pistons either, just watch the Bulls/Knicks rivalry in the 90's.
Age did catch up to the badboys. But, once the Bulls got the right team together and played physical defense as well as the Pistons, Detroit could not score enough points to match the Bulls. Just the way it is. Chicago would never had won 6 titles if they didn't play "dirty" sometimes. The Bulls earned their titles, so did the badboys.
The Pistons were DIRTY! Every NBA team and super star from that era is on record in saying so! They took advantage of an NBA that didn't know how to train the referees to look for those cheap shots.Basketball is a beautiful game and the Detroit thugs made it ugly for two years. The moment that gimmick wore off they got SWEPT in the ECF! SWEPT!
@@keysersoze540 The Celtics did the same thing.
McHale clotheslines Kurt Rambis, "It's part of the game."
Laimbeer takes down Larry Bird, "It's bad for the game."
GTFOH!!!
@@joeblow3470 sounds about salty Blow
@@JAWrightonline troll
In the 1991 season, Jordan threw a chair against the wall and told the Bulls and said We win or else!
Anybody giving love to the Pistons definitely needs help...these guys were flat out thugs...I cant imagine anyone condoning this type of legalized thuggery and goonish behavior
You need help because the Pistons wouldn't bow down and kiss Jordan's ass and allow him into the NBA Finals like you want. Bay Boys forever!
Ok... I am and have always been a die hard Pistons fan... So I will say that first. I will also say I believe without a Doubt That Michael Jordan was absolutely the best individual basketball player I ever saw... That includes Magic, Bird, and Kareem. He was simply a ruthless, devastatingly incredible force on the court, and we have not seen anyone with that level of skill and fire to win yet, and I dont think we will anytime soon; yes, LeBron has had a great career... but Jordan is simply the GOAT. All that being said... if you watch these highlights.. no doubt there was some contact; you can hear the rumblings of the announcers as they are seriously skewed towards Michael and the Bulls. Look at the play starting around the :40 mark.. Jordan tried to take the ball inside the teeth of the defense; literally he tried to go through THREE pistons... SALLEY goes STRAIGHT UP, Vinnie Johnson BACKS UP, and RODMAN was BEHIND Jordan as he started to fall off balance because he found himself TOO FAR AWAY from the basket, and fell on his side. RODMANS hands did make contact with Jordan, but not enough to cause Michael to hit the floor the way he did... AT this point in his career, he was simply going to go THROUGH any and everyone, instead of passing the ball to any of THREE OPEN TEAMMATES... Even EDWARDS BACKED AWAY from Jordan... "Three Guys Sandwich Michael Jordan" was what the announcers called. "We see the three guys in the lane, and they want to seal him from the basket".. OF COURSE THEY DO! When Jordan married his greatness to the concept of involving his teammates, he was simply unstoppable... at this point in his career, he just believed HE was enough... and he WAS... just not against this team... YET... But we all know... he learned his lessons WELL...
34:00 minute mark - Jordan says Detroit plays dirty. Boo who
No class Pistons. Handed their butts
+Roger3 they were lucky jordan didnt have help like he did in 91, they woulda never beat the bulls
james Isaiah had his wrist fused and other injuries put them 13 games worse then what they were
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 injuries part of the game
Interesting how they almost went down 3-0 in 1990 and it went to 7
11:02 three calls might've been the difference there. Game 7 blowout was no surprise and in 1990, injuries pulled the pistons 13 games back of what they used to be by the next year.
Salty Pistons fan
@@nonamewillbegiven1217facts aren't salty lol. We BEAT Jordan 3-1
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 you have no facts and you got swept into irrelevancy in 91
Not necessarily you beat the bulls when Mike had very little help.The next year you had to know Mike was coming for you.Stop making excuses for the pistons they had their run.The triangle offense was unbeatable just let it go
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 So in your opinion, there is no way the Bulls could have just got...better? See it's comments like this that show fan bias. Michael Jordan got physically stronger, Scottie Pippen became an All star, and Horrace Grant. Your comment disregards all of this. The Bulls and Pistons played hard. This was a man's competition. Not only did the Bulls beat the Pistons, they became a terror to the whole league. The Pistons were the cocoon and the caterpillar Bulls made it out and spread their wings.
That old Chicago stadium was so loud...
Number of factors led to the Pistons not getting 3 in a row (Not including the phantom foul against the Lakers), but for the most part they got old, injuries became a problem, and the NBA started cracking down on the tough physical play which was their bread and butter. This is the start of the "soft" play in the NBA which would gradually become what we see today. : (
jamvan2k I like this style of basketball hate that they changed it seems like they made it easier for Jordan to win it's very soft now
truthseeker89 for life Pistons were not old. IT was 29, Dumars was 27, Rodman was 29 & DPOY. They were not old.
@@cowboys4ever348 ok then explain why they were 13 games worse in the regular season
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 Ooh I don't know. Maybe because Isiah missed 54 games
Well you're wrong on a lot of those princess
If people think the Pistons were dirty well it's because they learned it from the best, the Boston Celtics. Jordan once called Bird the dirtiest player in the nba which sported enforcers the likes of Rick Mahorn, Bill Laimbeer, Rodman. This was the end of the Golden Age of Basketball because they didn't call fouls the way they do today, and if someone swung on someone it was only a tech with no one getting thrown out only if you made contact which they did a lot in those days, lovely!!! It was after Jordan became almost Iconic back in the late eighties and was denied 3 straight years by the Pistons that the league changed the rules with no more hand checking or physical defense and thus you had the Bulls winning 3 straight titles + 3 more for a total of 6. Jordan,Jackson,Pippen,Grant,Paxson,Rodman,Kerr,Kuko were all great but I know if they had not changed the rules to water down the game and give more control to the refs and the odds game then Chicago would not have 6 titles hanging in the rafters more like 2 if they played old school rules from 1970's-1990.
Hand checking was still legal back then. And physical fouls were allowed. You just couldn't put someone in a choke hold or throw elbows like the dirty Pistons did
@@keysersoze540 or like every other team
Jordan the GOAT start from 0 with the Bulls to win 6 championships and never lost an NBA finals
Ed Nealey was my boy
Lebron wouldn’t be like he is now back then with all them hard ass fouls, elbows, slaps fights, and etc. Them boys played hella dirty back in those days.
Rodman can be good too lol
Dude learn how to sync n adjust your volume levels
And the Chicago Bulls not backing down