I came across this video also. Thought it would be good but the controlled testing was pretty average. Test shows the driver coming off the accelerator prior too braking and they were putting the foot on the brake when they came to the witches hat. To much human intervention resulting in too many variances. The new brakes were probably better but seriously not a controlled testing process.
Have you had to install new pads? Been told the rotors wrap and need machining each set off pads and are pointless after that and are really just throw away each set off pads. Wondering as can't see any long term reviews?
A lot, that was hard testing and not all the tests made the video e.g I messed up the recording or missed the marker. However, I dont recall exactly how much but it was roughly 1/4 of the pad was used in testing. In addition, I noticed the most wear when breaking in mud. After a long day of driving through flood waters and mud I noticed significant wear. Over all, the pads didnt last as long as normal pads (partly due to the test) but did perform significnatly better.
G'day Betheball - Pro's, they are outstanding, at stopping the vehicle. Con's you need to replace the breakpads more often (yearly) and they seem to degrade faster the more 4wding you do. I rate them as excellent as I dont mind replacing the pads more often for the 20%+ extra performance you get out of them
@@GavinGillett thanks for the detailed reply mate. I'll buy them on the strength of your reply. I'm with you as I don't mind replacing pads more often either. Small price to pay for greater stopping power. Thanks again.
Gavin did you consider upgrading the brake lines as well? If so why did you choose not to upgrade them? ASAIK as the oil heats up the OEM lines start to give the fade feeling..... let us know your thoughts please Thanks Max
Hi Max, I did consider the need to upgrade those lines. I haven't so far on advice from a brake expert who said under normal conditions and normal loads the lines were more than adequate to perform the braking function required. He did say that if I was to tow it would be worth doing the lines and adding a brake booster as part of a GCM strategy. I dont have anything to tow so i'm going to be ok for a while :D
Hi Gavin, Great Vid mate. I just want to know, are you still running the standard brake lines in your truck. I have asked around (as I need new ones) and a lot of guys are saying to upgrade to braided lines from the rubber ones.
As PerthEnduro replied is what I have been informed. The only thing also was to get ADR approved lines. Having ADR approved would only be for insurance reasons I am guessing.
this testing becomes pointless unless you are on off road conditions 3+ ton on road tests is pointless because you aren't going to be on tarmac forever.. so this testing becomes moot point given you intend to use this vehicle off road... add a 2-7.5 ton caravan on the back and redo the test.. where you have 5.5+ ton to 11+ ton on the road.. No matter what your current GVM upgrades are your braking package must operate or exceed the max weight by double to triple the GVM weight.. if you are rated at 3,750kg your stopping package must be able to dead stop 11,250kg as this is going to be your body mass index at dead stop from 100km.. with a caravan on the on back your breaking speed that 11,000kg becomes 33,000-44,000kg of dead weight to stop based at 70-100km/h understand inertia of physics of weight displacement you are a lot heavier trying to stop dur to gravity...
I think you want to invest a bit of forethought on where this cruiser user uses his land cruiser Perth Enduro.. Whilst you may have test success on road.. you need be test this on offroad aswell because this is where he lives mainly.. get this vehicle off road before you do much to run this vehicle on clay, dirt, gravel the man in question lives up the north west he doesn't live down south.. His vehicle will exert more weight off road.. I have been a subscriber of his for a while now to know he spend a lot of time off roading in his cruiser.. You know sweet fuck all to where the owner uses his vehicle before you comment I suggest you talk to your clients before you suggesting gvm and brake upgrades as what is great for tarmac living may not be so great in practical use in an off road condition.. Understand the physical characteristics of where the owner will be in use of his vehicle and the stopping distance is different in a offroad condition you obviously don't test for which you should .... I'm not here to tell you your job though this is basic commonsense... to everyone that uses their land cruisers off road Vs someone that only uses their land cruiser in a capacity off road as far as a building site...
PerthEnduro, Spot-On & dead right mate, I won't bother throwing my 36 years exp behind yours, you said it well enough. There is always a Knowle in every subject, its just unfortunate such as Jason howe to embarrass oneself intellectually in a public forum. Cheers, Steve.
Understand this experience tells me no matter how well the brakes work on road, the problem is when you take said vehicle offroad where you haven't got the necessary stopping capacity close on 30 years playing in and around 4x4's to know.. weight is a killer.. Some discussions with owners will tell you what you should be installing.. however until you take this off the bitumen you aren't going to know what the performance of the brakes are.. Its great when it stops you within 100-500 meters on road try the tests on unsealed roads and see what your stopping distance is !!.. Aussie driter, word oif caution don't ever take a 2.5-5ton vehicle off road or on unsealed roads you are going to be in for a rude awakening.. I like 4x4ing like the rest of us, though until you get said vehicle off road any on road tests are going to be meaningless because handling characteristics is going to be different..
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It's been a while between drinks good to see you back.
Thanks! I've had a lot of fun filming over the past 2 months. Now i'm back chained to the editing room desk to get some videos out for you :D
Impressive test Gavin. I took a lot away from that. Good to see you back. ATB Moose.
Thanks Moose, i'm glad you liked it :D
Good testing for the roof rack
would be intersting and see what new brakes from Toyota could do.
Well Done !!
Hi there
I’m interested to see how the DBA brakes have performed long term?
I came across this video also. Thought it would be good but the controlled testing was pretty average. Test shows the driver coming off the accelerator prior too braking and they were putting the foot on the brake when they came to the witches hat. To much human intervention resulting in too many variances. The new brakes were probably better but seriously not a controlled testing process.
Have you had to install new pads? Been told the rotors wrap and need machining each set off pads and are pointless after that and are really just throw away each set off pads.
Wondering as can't see any long term reviews?
So you lost 1mm of tread after 12,000 km's , how much did you loose after the brake testing ?.
A lot, that was hard testing and not all the tests made the video e.g I messed up the recording or missed the marker. However, I dont recall exactly how much but it was roughly 1/4 of the pad was used in testing.
In addition, I noticed the most wear when breaking in mud. After a long day of driving through flood waters and mud I noticed significant wear.
Over all, the pads didnt last as long as normal pads (partly due to the test) but did perform significnatly better.
Hey mate, what is your long term opinion on the dba's?
G'day Betheball - Pro's, they are outstanding, at stopping the vehicle. Con's you need to replace the breakpads more often (yearly) and they seem to degrade faster the more 4wding you do.
I rate them as excellent as I dont mind replacing the pads more often for the 20%+ extra performance you get out of them
@@GavinGillett thanks for the detailed reply mate. I'll buy them on the strength of your reply. I'm with you as I don't mind replacing pads more often either. Small price to pay for greater stopping power. Thanks again.
@@Normacfan happy to help mate :D
I was surprised how quickly the big girl pulled up.
Hahah so was I :D
Gavin did you consider upgrading the brake lines as well? If so why did you choose not to upgrade them?
ASAIK as the oil heats up the OEM lines start to give the fade feeling.....
let us know your thoughts please
Thanks
Max
Hi Max, I did consider the need to upgrade those lines. I haven't so far on advice from a brake expert who said under normal conditions and normal loads the lines were more than adequate to perform the braking function required. He did say that if I was to tow it would be worth doing the lines and adding a brake booster as part of a GCM strategy. I dont have anything to tow so i'm going to be ok for a while :D
Good stuff Gavin! Any info on approximate cost?
I was told the cost but I have a terrible memory. Sorry :)
Where have u been mate. Good video.
I have been away filming the next group of episodes :D
Nice Gav,
Don't have part numbers do you?
Hi Jacob, no I dont sorry, but if you give Midland 4WD centre or DBA they can give you the part numbers for the 200 series.
Hi Gavin, Great Vid mate.
I just want to know, are you still running the standard brake lines in your truck. I have asked around (as I need new ones) and a lot of guys are saying to upgrade to braided lines from the rubber ones.
Hi Fitzy, no still standard lines and booster but braided lines are a great idea.
I didnt know the hose expands on heavy braking. That makes a lot of sense that braided lines would solve that issue. Thanks for mentioning it :D
As PerthEnduro replied is what I have been informed. The only thing also was to get ADR approved lines. Having ADR approved would only be for insurance reasons I am guessing.
Great information PerthEnduro. I have been informed the same. Would you know why I have been also informed to get ARD approved lines over Non-ADR.
Anything for the 80 series?
My guess is yes but I dont have direct knowledge. Contact DBA directly and they will be able to help you I'm sure.
That's one sexy cruiser
good stuff Gavin, See so many spend a fortune on engine upgrades and big tyres then load the truck up and tear off with std (shitty) brakes!
Mount a hydroboost then you get some brakes...
this testing becomes pointless unless you are on off road conditions 3+ ton on road tests is pointless because you aren't going to be on tarmac forever.. so this testing becomes moot point given you intend to use this vehicle off road...
add a 2-7.5 ton caravan on the back and redo the test..
where you have 5.5+ ton to 11+ ton on the road..
No matter what your current GVM upgrades are your braking package must operate or exceed the max weight by double to triple the GVM weight..
if you are rated at 3,750kg your stopping package must be able to dead stop 11,250kg as this is going to be your body mass index at dead stop from 100km..
with a caravan on the on back
your breaking speed that 11,000kg becomes 33,000-44,000kg of dead weight to stop based at 70-100km/h understand inertia of physics of weight displacement you are a lot heavier trying to stop dur to gravity...
I think you want to invest a bit of forethought on where this cruiser user uses his land cruiser Perth Enduro..
Whilst you may have test success on road.. you need be test this on offroad aswell because this is where he lives mainly..
get this vehicle off road before you do much to run this vehicle on clay, dirt, gravel the man in question lives up the north west he doesn't live down south..
His vehicle will exert more weight off road..
I have been a subscriber of his for a while now to know he spend a lot of time off roading in his cruiser..
You know sweet fuck all to where the owner uses his vehicle before you comment I suggest you talk to your clients before you suggesting gvm and brake upgrades as what is great for tarmac living may not be so great in practical use in an off road condition..
Understand the physical characteristics of where the owner will be in use of his vehicle and the stopping distance is different in a offroad condition you obviously don't test for which you should ....
I'm not here to tell you your job though this is basic commonsense... to everyone that uses their land cruisers off road Vs someone that only uses their land cruiser in a capacity off road as far as a building site...
Well said mate. I agree with your analysis on this one.
PerthEnduro, Spot-On & dead right mate, I won't bother throwing my 36 years exp behind yours, you said it well enough.
There is always a Knowle in every subject, its just unfortunate such as Jason howe to embarrass oneself intellectually in a public forum.
Cheers, Steve.
Understand this experience tells me no matter how well the brakes work on road, the problem is when you take said vehicle offroad where you haven't got the necessary stopping capacity close on 30 years playing in and around 4x4's to know..
weight is a killer..
Some discussions with owners will tell you what you should be installing..
however until you take this off the bitumen you aren't going to know what the performance of the brakes are..
Its great when it stops you within 100-500 meters on road try the tests on unsealed roads and see what your stopping distance is !!..
Aussie driter, word oif caution don't ever take a 2.5-5ton vehicle off road or on unsealed roads you are going to be in for a rude awakening..
I like 4x4ing like the rest of us, though until you get said vehicle off road any on road tests are going to be meaningless because handling characteristics is going to be different..
Jason, I think you're missing the point of the exercise. It's just a comparison between old and new and so everything else is moot.