How CSGO Pros Played 10 Years Ago Is Shocking

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  • Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
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    I compared the first ever CS:GO Major tournament to the last ever CS:GO Major tournament and was shocked by how differently the best players in the world played 10 years ago compared to today! The first Match is the Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Fnatic from the Grand Final of Dreamhack Winter 2013, and the modern match is Heroic versus GamerLegion from Blast TV Paris 2023.

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  • @DantalionVR
    @DantalionVR Год назад +2952

    10 years of CSGO and he still has no clothes on, what a legend

    • @adictedseon8913
      @adictedseon8913 Год назад +37

      bro does he say he has no closer or cloths on i am kinda confused

    • @Ash-bx6kq
      @Ash-bx6kq Год назад +92

      ​@@adictedseon8913yeah, he says it every video! How have you not heard it yet?

    • @adictedseon8913
      @adictedseon8913 Год назад +13

      @@Ash-bx6kq I always thought he said that he has no closer... meaning he is the best

    • @Ash-bx6kq
      @Ash-bx6kq Год назад +124

      @@adictedseon8913 nah it's he has no clothes on, I'm sure someone can back me up on this

    • @beckhydda
      @beckhydda Год назад +90

      @@adictedseon8913 I thought it was I have no closer as in I have no outro

  • @sulphurous2656
    @sulphurous2656 Год назад +1858

    2013-2014/15 was my favorite era for CS:GO tournaments. It felt like the wild west out there.

    • @sdHansy
      @sdHansy Год назад +114

      2014-2016 was definetely amazing. Though the two finals with navi and faze last year, is probably two of the the best matches I have ever seen. Shortly followed by navi vs lg(?) 2016 Overpass ( the one with all the new boosts)

    • @qu1253
      @qu1253 Год назад +29

      I sincerely regret not getting into CS:GO when it was exploding in popularity back in 2015. If I tried to start now, I'd be so far behind the rest of the player base that I'd basically have to treat the game like a full time job just to catch up.

    • @ClarksonNo1
      @ClarksonNo1 Год назад +92

      @@qu1253 Thats uh, not how it works.

    • @spowbits3696
      @spowbits3696 Год назад +5

      @@qu1253 no there are many new people playing

    • @Remu-
      @Remu- Год назад +20

      @@qu1253 I have friends who've played CS for 10 years and are still pretty bad at the game and hardly understand the fundamentals because they just play mindlessly. It'll go a long way if you just put in some time to learn the basic fundamentals and you'll be fragging in no time.
      It's a fun game and new players will come along when CS2 launches. It's never too late.

  • @kupoback
    @kupoback Год назад +1049

    I really like how much the meta has shifted over the years, and how quickly the community has come together to learn some new line-up, or find something that is broken. Even after almost 11 years, the game still doesn't feel stale to me. Between the main competitive scene and then factor in the Community scene, I'm hoping that CS2 will keep this going, as the franchise has for years.

    • @ElTalkette
      @ElTalkette Год назад +4

      Tiraste toda la posta amigo

    • @hoonterofhoonters6588
      @hoonterofhoonters6588 Год назад +50

      The CS meta shifts without any updates. All it takes is for someone to experiment and try something new.
      Remember when the UMP 45 almost as good as an M4 at half the price for several years and the pros didn't notice?
      Remember when the SG 553 was worth the price difference to the AK for several years and the pros didn't notice?
      In a few months we'll see a zeus meta for all we know.

    • @KryzysX
      @KryzysX Год назад +1

      Boi how u getting that badge 💀 I can't afford 6 bucks

    • @nikk351
      @nikk351 Год назад +4

      I really dont like how the meta shifted from guns being powerful to being a nerd with a lot of util knowledge became good because the guns and gameplay became worse and worse

    • @PelleFixar
      @PelleFixar Год назад +18

      @@nikk351 For me it's the other way around. I appreciate it more if there is more to the pro game than just aiming. We all know these pros aim well. I want to see all the map knowledge that the pros have acquired after probably spending hours in practice to find the niche nade lineups and new boosts that haven't been seen before. To raise the chance of them winning an eco or clutch a round by just having a couple smokes and playing it right. It forces the players to get a better game sense which will lead to more outplays and counter-outplays.

  • @sulphurous2656
    @sulphurous2656 Год назад +717

    I wonder what would happen if they did a sort of "throwback" tournament where they put pro players on a 2013 or 2014 build of the game on these same old maps but with all of their modern experience and knowledge at their disposal. How would it play out?

    • @joure.v
      @joure.v Год назад +278

      THAT should have been the show match for the last Major...

    • @XanderNiles
      @XanderNiles Год назад +36

      That's something that is definitely worth watching.

    • @DamonHunter13
      @DamonHunter13 Год назад +99

      There would definitely be some pros that remember a lot of the cheeky pixel peaks, boosts and such - it would be a blast

    • @Lythforce2
      @Lythforce2 Год назад +26

      Its been done with 1.6 vs CSGO. Search NiP vs NiP.

  • @MrWwechampion333
    @MrWwechampion333 Год назад +469

    it’s crazy because at the time some of the stuff they did made sense. like the standard nade setup one nade, two flash, and one smoke. the retakes, the buys, everything takes me back

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад +1

      There's nothing crazy about that.

    • @MrWwechampion333
      @MrWwechampion333 Год назад +11

      @@tappajaav seeing how a game and meta progresses especially over a 10 years span is crazy. if you were around back then you would know

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад +3

      @@MrWwechampion333 I've played CSGO since 2014, does that not count...? There's still nothing crazy about the different standard buys people did back then.

    • @MrWwechampion333
      @MrWwechampion333 Год назад +2

      @@tappajaav ??? dude it’s about how much a game could change in that time, did you not even watch the video? even war owl talks about how nobody bought molly’s back then?

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад +3

      @@MrWwechampion333 Yea, I did watch it. To me there's nothing CRAZY about it. It's reasonable that the behaviour of any games' playerbase changes and evolves over time.

  • @Stoneher
    @Stoneher Год назад +190

    the flusha line about picking his mouse up was so funny

    • @dramm33
      @dramm33 Год назад +13

      I laughed out loud

    • @MrBond3606
      @MrBond3606 Год назад +5

      Yeah, if you pick up your mouse a lot, it looks like you lock on to people through walls, but you really don't. It just looks that way. I'd forgotten all about that...era

    • @TheGlenerd2
      @TheGlenerd2 2 месяца назад

      such a subtle joke, love it. I'm glad someone mentioned it

  • @lufetm
    @lufetm Год назад +161

    Just like in football, where Pele dribbled past 5 defenders and scored every single game... We dont see that in modern football, it evolved a lot and tactics, teamplay and strats play much bigger role than simple scoring

    • @KeksimusMaximus
      @KeksimusMaximus Год назад +1

      Yeah, PEDs too. Sports today only evolve when PEDs do. Human performance stopped improving in the last century.

    • @arislanbekkosnazarov9644
      @arislanbekkosnazarov9644 Год назад +24

      Yeah, good analogy. Makes it even more impressive looking at Ronaldo and Messi, and s1mple and ZyW0o

    • @tpeterson9140
      @tpeterson9140 Год назад +16

      its what happens when sports/games evolve, the skill floor gets higher so if you take a break and come back you will notice that even at the lowest lvl the peple have become better

    • @n9ne
      @n9ne Год назад +2

      or maybe players are more scared than ever to make crazy plays.

    • @gambino883
      @gambino883 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@n9neespecially this. What I see now of pussy plays and amount of save rounds is insane. They treat smokes like a solid wall. I still play the game like 20 years ago. I don't change and I'm still catching people off guard trying to line up a smoke while I just rush them. They all think because of 2mins roundtime everyone takes 2 mins roundtime.

  • @kapoink835
    @kapoink835 Год назад +252

    This was an absolute treat to watch. The ending really tied it all together. I thoroughly enjoyed the positive "here's to 10 more years"- vibe. You sometimes forget how just a couple years ago everyone was saying Counter-strike dead game. I myself actually believed the series would have a fate similar to tf2 where it's just left to dust in a corner. It feels so good to actually have confidence in the game's future. I hope someday my kids will also be playing a version of Counter-Strike and hopefully, watching Warowl. Thank you for the years of videos.

    • @animal1439
      @animal1439 Год назад +24

      There's literally generations of counterstrike players, that's just insane to think about

    • @Okieant
      @Okieant Год назад +13

      This game will never die. I've been a part of it for 20 yrs. If it was going to die, it would have died in around 2010 when the scene was dying out. And then CSGO came.

    • @hansmor8
      @hansmor8 Год назад +20

      Maybe your kids will get to experience the long awaited warowl closer

    • @cooldud7071
      @cooldud7071 Год назад

      I wish this piece of shit game would have been lost to obscurity unlike the more fun and skill-based TF2.

    • @HDScorpio
      @HDScorpio Год назад

      I dont think Counter-Strike will ever die, people are still out there playing 1.6 even now.

  • @Mr_Onion_Youtube
    @Mr_Onion_Youtube Год назад +457

    Damn, the game really did change a lot during these 10 years

  • @MrPyroguy108
    @MrPyroguy108 Год назад +49

    That first A-take had me glued to the screen throughout the whole sponsor spot like subway surfer on a shorts feed 🤣🤣

    • @MrDestructoVid
      @MrDestructoVid Год назад +8

      Yea that sponsor read cut out the best clip he showed.

    • @0Blueaura
      @0Blueaura Год назад +1

      Reimu

  • @cyphersam9436
    @cyphersam9436 Год назад +86

    I remember doing this sort of thing on myself for fun before and it's pretty good for seeing your personal and team improvement. I compared my winning match in the TF2 Newbie Cup Tournament to the very first scrimmage match I played and the differences were immense. It felt like I could spot a mistake I or any other player made for every few seconds that passed. We started off as the team that was losing most of their matches to the team that had to go against higher divisions because we were winning too often, since we were the only team that was dedicated enough to practice every single day before the tournament. So if you ever have second thoughts about your improvement try reviewing old matches, it can help your confidence.

    • @lxdixd
      @lxdixd Год назад +3

      every time we do demo reviews i can feel myself getting better lol i can pinpoint exactly what u mean

  • @SarthakSPyt
    @SarthakSPyt Год назад +74

    Astralis is single handedly responsible for the great switch of the play style. Between the playstyle of 1st and the last major, its Astralis in the middle with an era so game defining, they literally changed the way how the game can be played.

    • @s0meRand0m129
      @s0meRand0m129 Год назад +6

      they literally changed the way to play the game with their nades meta

    • @logan62097
      @logan62097 Год назад +15

      I don't think so, you can watch tournaments from 2014-2016 and utility usage was higher every year. CSGO in 2013 was in its infancy, players didn't use molotovs because they sucked up until that point and people are stubborn by nature, but over time they were utilized far more often. In fact Pronax (The IGL in this game for Fnatic) was part of that revolution. It was always trending upwards, Astralis was ahead of the curve for sure, but let's not pretend like they're the sole reason it ended up this way; it was always going to. The evolution was required because more and more incredible talent was coming into the scene, it was the only way to narrow the gap between mechanically gifted players and high IQ players.

    • @s0meRand0m129
      @s0meRand0m129 Год назад +6

      @@logan62097 yes grandpa but did you see the part where we talked about how Astralis changed the way how the game can be played?

    • @NinjapowerMS
      @NinjapowerMS 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@logan62097Like how scope rifles was actually broken but it lasted so long because are too stubborn to switch from AKs lol.

  • @wastl8778
    @wastl8778 Год назад +6

    7:08 No silencer at a major. Times truly were different.

  • @vintagejock3951
    @vintagejock3951 Год назад +101

    Feels like an eternity waiting for a WarOwl video

    • @TheWarOwl
      @TheWarOwl  Год назад +145

      sorry, going through some stuff, I have something big to do this weekend, and then I'm back to regular vid production.

    • @sam_la_chevre
      @sam_la_chevre Год назад +11

      @@TheWarOwl Always a pleasure, regular or not ❤

    • @Shofman
      @Shofman Год назад +8

      @@TheWarOwl Fair play man, take your time

    • @CraftingStudios1337
      @CraftingStudios1337 Год назад +3

      @@TheWarOwl all the love to you brother, everything you make is a gem, glad you're putting yourself first

    • @vintagejock3951
      @vintagejock3951 Год назад +8

      @@TheWarOwl np always love watching you. Can't wait for your next video. I hope you get through any difficulties without any suffering.

  • @lucasvasconcelos5705
    @lucasvasconcelos5705 Год назад +3

    1:18 nobody used to buy the molotovs because there was gentlemen agreement to not buy them since people didn't like that Valve had added it out of the blue when more than 10 years of competitive 1.6 and Source didn't have it. Just later that teams started to use them

  • @retardno002
    @retardno002 Год назад +46

    The OGs were playing 1.6 with updated graphics, now we're playing actual CS GO, and I bet if you looked at a game from 8 or even 9 years ago you'd see more similarity to the way the game is played today. It took me a few months to switch from the 1.6 play style, I doubt it took them longer.

    • @christiansmemefactory1513
      @christiansmemefactory1513 Год назад +5

      Not the french teams tho lol

    • @avert_bs
      @avert_bs Год назад +5

      maybe next year: katowice 2014 vs copehangen 2024

    • @junilog
      @junilog Год назад +2

      @@christiansmemefactory1513 yeah most of them are Source players and they were usually better at movement because of the familiarity. But 1.6 players were still the top dogs as the best players tend to stay on 1.6 and jump straight to CSGO. Source players were relatively new to the scene.

  • @ad3mn
    @ad3mn Год назад +21

    Back in the day, when sponsors were part of your nametag.

    • @burgerchild
      @burgerchild Год назад +10

      never forget friberg crucial

    • @TheRoniverseOfficial
      @TheRoniverseOfficial Год назад +2

      it was through Xizt that i first learned about the brand Xtrfy. he had it on his nametag at one point and the brand name stood out to me enough to research it.

  • @frank34443
    @frank34443 Год назад +18

    That was a throwback! I used to spend my off-days watching pro CSGO between my own ESEA/Competitive matches... Good times. It's interesting to see how change happens so slowly in CS. Molotovs were there, but they were new, so everyone just defaulted to that old school CS playstyle, before the new utility gradually became a part of the meta. But man, 10,000 hours, WarOwl? That's impressive.

  • @Isaacfess
    @Isaacfess Год назад +9

    "Fight for Banana control" Is something you'd only hear in CSGO said in a serious manner.

  • @peterlustig7936
    @peterlustig7936 Год назад +12

    I had the same experience when I didn't see any majors for two years. It was between 2018 and 2020 and playstyles have changed significantly. much more professional (lineups), serious and reserved was played. Its interesting to see that such a "simple" game has that much potential to improve.

  • @mightykonsti6471
    @mightykonsti6471 Год назад +41

    Dont forget how hardware developed in these 10 years: Today you have really good 240 or even 360 hz displays, gpus and cpus developed faster than valve could push out graphical updates so you have way more fps on high end hardware. Also mice and keyboards are way better than in 2013. And dont forget these fancy gaming chairs. They are obviously the most important improvement.

    • @Andious
      @Andious Год назад +7

      There were kids a couple years ago that qualified to FPL on 60Hz monitors. The hardware is a factor but not overly important.

    • @8kokorika8
      @8kokorika8 Год назад +3

      @@Andious few years ago 144 was barely the standard nowdays if you even want to dream about FPL-C you pretty much have to have 244, the peeking advantage it gives is huge in CS. Another thing is, aimwise people became much better. All of those things combined = without stable FPS and atleast 144 hz monitor you can only dream about FPL.

    • @Andious
      @Andious Год назад +8

      @@8kokorika8 144 was definitely more than "barely the standard" during 2019-2020 lmao, and also no-one plays on 244Hz, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @final2k565
      @final2k565 Год назад

      @@8kokorika8I think u mean 240 hz but I play 280hz just recently upgraded from 144

    • @junilog
      @junilog Год назад

      Dude CRT monitors had high refresh rate. Have you ever used one?

  • @pedrorequio5515
    @pedrorequio5515 Год назад +8

    There is a missing informafion here that is crucial to the vast change, the round time and bomb time, back then the round was 20 second shorter(1 : 35) and the bomb 5 second shorter(35 second), I believe many in the comunity might not know be aware because the update was in late 2015, but at the time I played faceit in the lower round time, with the shorter round your tactical options were less, you had to commit once you choose a site a fake was hard, there was simply not enough time, running smoke was always a bad idea but Inferno was super CT sided back then because you could almost close the sites forever with the smokes, Valve decided to up the round time to make the game in competitive uniforme with casual experience which is important but 1.35 was too short for lesser players. They run smokes because they had too, winning on round time was Common for CTs.
    Also important this tournament had a 250k prize pool, that is the money for all team, I believe the winner got 100k which was very good at the time, Valve funded this prize pool entirely, also they get a share of sticker revenue, this was a Major Shift because sticker revenue share can outpace the prize pool, which guarantees revenue for all teams present. In 2013 most pro did not sustain themselves on counter strike only, not the case for these teams who probably had sponsors, but they were not rich, most in the tournament were what we could consider today amateurs, as in CS was a passion indeed but not their job, most prize pools were 25k for all teams and there was not a tournament season like today were some tournament dont have some teams because they cant possibly go to every single one. Today there is enough money for this players to play full time and have couches and we dont see this but these guys put thousands of hours we dont see and never will, this is what they do to the point were they live with each other in preparation for a big tournament for example and coordinate. Back then a lot of tournaments were online and some players were simply in their homes participativa, today they are in the HQ of their team paying together despite being online to guarantee all conditions(Internet and such, players like Adren from Kazahkistan had monstrous Ping,not something we see today at Tier 1).

    • @Kreege
      @Kreege Год назад +2

      it was 1:45/:35

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад

      Press enter every now and then.
      Reading wall of text with no formatting is painful.

  • @bardenhick2121
    @bardenhick2121 Год назад +17

    Molotovs:
    2013 pros: “I’m gonna pretend like I didn’t see that”

    • @kripzzy6732
      @kripzzy6732 Год назад +1

      I hate this joke format, it’s always so boring

    • @bardenhick2121
      @bardenhick2121 Год назад +1

      @@kripzzy6732 damn that’s tough

  • @MiniWhiteDragon
    @MiniWhiteDragon Год назад +10

    I love this comparison. I've been playing since 2016 and seeing how different the game was brought back so many fond memories of when I was a noob. Can't wait for CS2!

    • @r4nzig
      @r4nzig Год назад +1

      aren't you still, though?

  • @guillermo8843
    @guillermo8843 Год назад +7

    Very interesting to see how the game has evolved over the years. It happens in every sport, but in CS, it's even more noticeable because this game is relatively young. For that reason, we can see significant changes in strategies and in the way of playing in general in just a few years

  • @andreidmny
    @andreidmny Год назад +9

    I have been here since the beta and while I always knew the game kept evolving, seeing this large contrast is surprising. It almost looks and plays like a sequel to the original that released back then. Valve deserves credit for not only supporting the game by doing the bare minimum, but incrementally improving it to the point it becomes a different game, while retaining the core that we all know and love.

    • @oscarogilvie1048
      @oscarogilvie1048 Год назад

      literaly. the frog in boiling water effect of having played the past 6 years and comparing now till then is crazy. but at no point did an update come out and i thought "its like a different game now" and yet comparing across the gap you would say so

  • @lordweedy
    @lordweedy Год назад +7

    I think there was a gentleman agreement in early pro csgo to not use mollies

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад

      I think you're mistaken.

  • @Prince.Claveria
    @Prince.Claveria Год назад +4

    I still remember the term "Reset" in the old CS:GO economy. It's basically when you eco for 2-3 rounds and finally won a round but if you lost another it will reset your eco again. It was hell and at the same time, great. You can easily predict your enemies' economy. Unlike nowdays there's the Loss Bonus feature rewarding players who are losing and punishing players who are winning.
    Maybe this is the reason why the old tournament full eco'd and rarely bought the AWP because of the economy reset. Anyways, great video man, keep up the good work!

  • @trudaftgunpunk
    @trudaftgunpunk Год назад +489

    I like turtles

  • @themomorain
    @themomorain Год назад +2

    2:00 Yoo I remember this smoke this was so meta cause you wanted to deny the mid crossfire and pushing through your own smoke was so normal xD

  • @FBarbarian
    @FBarbarian Год назад +8

    bear in mind that the game mechanics - shooting, damage of weapons was different (glocks were super strong for example) and the layout were different. No doubt that players improved over the years, but some things that seem crazy now worked before because the maps were very different from what they are today after numerous reworks. Inferno wasn't as narrow as it is today so molotovs didn't work as well as they do now. And A site was much easier to retake than it is now.

  • @maxthefallenangel940
    @maxthefallenangel940 Год назад +1

    7:39 I love the star rail reference

  • @LKSgm
    @LKSgm Год назад +4

    7:25 wait that's not how inflation works lol

  • @eduardbass839
    @eduardbass839 Год назад +1

    You had a lot less money available when you were losing back than compared to now. So save means save in case you lose the next buy round as well as unlike nowadays you weren’t getting extra for losing streaks.

  • @MasayaShida
    @MasayaShida Год назад +27

    NiP was always so fun to watch

  • @saymehname
    @saymehname Год назад +2

    Love this contrast piece. Thanks

  • @Infarlock
    @Infarlock Год назад +23

    Really miss the old NiP team

    • @jordantabakov1644
      @jordantabakov1644 Год назад +2

      FRIBERG HE DOES IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN ❤. Games were so explosive and unpredictable back then, now 2 die and the ct’s save 😂

  • @EcclesiaSS
    @EcclesiaSS Год назад +2

    3:44 bro thought he was a cs player 💀

  • @MexicanTacoGaming
    @MexicanTacoGaming Год назад +5

    What I miss the most are the less cluttered maps. I like how the new maps look, but there's too much visual noise imo. (Not saying old maps were perfect, they all have their disadvantages too)

  • @reeidly
    @reeidly Год назад +1

    it's a similar experience right now with the release of street fighter 6 just on the horizon. All the old metas, the old combos and strats, all the impractical combos no one thought would land in a real match, it's just standard fare now. Player growth is just so darn cool

  • @ZimbabweanBugbite
    @ZimbabweanBugbite Год назад +7

    It’s a good day when Andy Warhol posts

    • @N00000OOOOBY
      @N00000OOOOBY Год назад +3

      ah yes, my favourite youtuber andy yahoo

  • @trofchik9488
    @trofchik9488 Год назад +2

    7:31 lmao the crouch pose

    • @emircs2442
      @emircs2442 Год назад

      look at those legs 😂😂

  • @ToxicEndflame
    @ToxicEndflame Год назад +3

    One thing I wanted to add about the awp purchases in the 2013 finals. Neither team had a true dedicated awper at the time, even JW still prefered rifles at the time, especially on Inferno. It wasn't until 2014 rolled around that the awp really became a staple part of the meta. Also given how well these two teams knew each other, it's safe to say they knew it would be rifles across the board the whole game.

  • @WayoftheFerret
    @WayoftheFerret Год назад +1

    My friends have convinced me to try CS:GO recently and my struggles with the obtuse mechanics have made me empathize with them for their struggles with Quake, which I am much more familiar with as I played it since I was a kid. So much of this game is unintuitive but "it's always been that way" so it continues to be so.

  • @LuchoH838
    @LuchoH838 Год назад +4

    I miss old inferno and cobblestone so much. The nostalgia from watching those majors at school 😢

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav Год назад +1

      I miss cobble, but old inferno really wasn't that good of a map. They did good job reworking it.

  • @apollo5668
    @apollo5668 11 месяцев назад

    3:35 "Maybe I will get back to doing a video a day.. when Counter Strike 2 comes out"
    Caught red handed!

  • @samvanoutrive5954
    @samvanoutrive5954 Год назад +3

    This is such a good video! Amazing to see how it all evolved. Keep it up, WarOwl!

  • @MILFSLAYER6969
    @MILFSLAYER6969 Год назад +1

    great video idea man. Always get good content from Mr. No closer

  • @kal--yt4es
    @kal--yt4es Год назад +2

    Ngl csgo has become a science at this point

  • @OriginalRaveParty
    @OriginalRaveParty Год назад +19

    2013 Pro CS looks about the level of 2023 MGE matchmaking. The whole player base has come a long way with the improvement of the game, and technology.

    • @felixp1591
      @felixp1591 Год назад +1

      I hope this is not serious, comparing the OG pros to MGE?

    • @OffensiveFarmer
      @OffensiveFarmer Год назад +7

      You're tripping if you actually think that. Strat wise it was lacking massively but the aim and reaction time was still insane back then, i've been unlucky enough to play against some pros at faceit level 10 and even when they're pugging and just holding W they're crazily good.

    • @damian6516
      @damian6516 Год назад +7

      @@OffensiveFarmer It's safe to say that MGE now and MGE then is still clueless about the level of pro players that much is clear

  • @MCWordicus
    @MCWordicus Год назад +3

    I love Valve's continual updates of maps, something almost unique. There are so many maps in other fps games that could be improved with small tweaks or simple changes that make a big impact on map balance/flow, but the devs just refuse to alter anything.

    • @saiverx
      @saiverx Месяц назад

      1 year later to say: It is not the devs, it's the company they work for.

  • @gofetimbi
    @gofetimbi Год назад +1

    gotta love the upload schedule

  • @Cavi587
    @Cavi587 Год назад +6

    I really wonder how this translates to non-pro play. Matchmaking. From my own experience playing since 2014, I think a modern DMG would probably destroy 2014 GE's lol. But maybe I'm just full of bullshit. Hey, maybe that's a good video idea? Kind of a follow up. If we, the viewers, send you 2013/14 demos and 2023 demos, could you perhaps compare and comment 14 GN's, LE's, GE's to 2023 equivalents? Would be really cool.

    • @gamingmarcus
      @gamingmarcus Год назад +4

      Back in the days you could walk between silvers and they wouldn't even notice that you're an enemy if you didn't shoot. Nowadays they got sound, aim, everything. The skill floor had increased a lot (thanks to guys like warowl)

    • @Cavi587
      @Cavi587 Год назад

      @@gamingmarcus Yeah, I do remember that, I started all the way from Silver 1 10 years ago. Not that long ago I was back in silver after years of letting my rank decay and people generally had the vague idea of how the game works. And when I got to gold nova after a few games I was surprised because people use utility, of course not as well as GE's or hight faceit levels, but back in the day you could be in LE and many people didn't know utility because they were able to get there with pure aim.

    • @felixp1591
      @felixp1591 Год назад

      @@Cavi587 Lol, what is the difference to today then? I still rarely see LEs that use utility, they are mostly good aimers. The casual scene really hasn't changed a lot in my 8 years of playing MM.

    • @damian6516
      @damian6516 Год назад +1

      I played since 1.5 and some early CS GO, it's actually crazy that people think that Globals in 2014 are anywhere close to MG-DMG today. The game was going strong in 2014, got a serious boost in the playebase and a lot of the Global and Suprem players already played 1.6 for years. I never considered any rank below suprem to be great and honestly it didn't change. There isn't exponential growth in skill like some players like to believe, the games are too old for that. A lot of pros hit a ceiling and it's only down hill for them from that point. S1mple in 2018 is a lot better than S1mple in 2023. Globals in 2014 were still a lot better than majority of LEM and lower players today.

    • @Cavi587
      @Cavi587 Год назад

      @@felixp1591 Are you NA or Europe? I'm only talking about Europe, I should have disclosed that. I have no knowledge of how it looks in other regions honestly.
      I mean yeah, you can still go far in MM with just good aim. But people in LE still use some default mollies and default smokes. Which was unheard of back then. If you threw a basic mid smoke on mirage you were considered a person who knows what they're doing lol.

  • @qBeYcarpet
    @qBeYcarpet Год назад +2

    Gotta say the level of top tier cs currently is really bad currently even though the meta was a lot less developed in the first years of csgo.

  • @MaveRick01
    @MaveRick01 Год назад +13

    Nice video, but it still feels like you glossed over things, because you cant encapsulate 10 years of development into 8 minutes. I wouldn't mind seeing a 50 minute documentary if you're up for it

    • @TheWarOwl
      @TheWarOwl  Год назад +26

      I enjoyed making this video and looking into the differences so I'm thinking of making a sequel where we go more in depth!

    • @mushroomcrepes4780
      @mushroomcrepes4780 Год назад +1

      @@TheWarOwl that would be amazing!

    • @neek911
      @neek911 Год назад +1

      ​@@TheWarOwlnew series "The meta history of inferno" etc

  • @onose10000
    @onose10000 Год назад +1

    The hard eco was a remnant from 1.6/source where we'd just hard eco and try to finish off the round asap or delay the round while talking about tactics instead of using up a tactical timeout. Although there were times that the hard eco somehow wins against a full buy, but those were rarer than stat trak reds so, hard eco was a better call than pistols with armor against rifles with will full gear.

  • @Dra1n__TV
    @Dra1n__TV Год назад +4

    Always fun to turn back the wheels of time

  • @hosermahbob
    @hosermahbob Год назад +1

    FPSDoug -"I could dance all day I could dance all day, Try to hit me!"

  • @filipbartas576
    @filipbartas576 Год назад +3

    WarOwl always delivers great and original content. Pure perfection!

    • @Anderslaw
      @Anderslaw Год назад

      This literally isn’t an original idea

    • @filipbartas576
      @filipbartas576 Год назад

      @@Anderslaw It sure is in my feed.

  • @csgobetting237
    @csgobetting237 Год назад +2

    lol do not eat these meal replacements without consulting a nutritionist and a doctor you will get urself in a bad shape real quick

  • @dev1ce888
    @dev1ce888 Год назад +13

    Thank you gla1ve and astralis for making the game better

  • @Bwillev
    @Bwillev Год назад +2

    Honestly, I really enjoy your videos. But this one just hit me hard with a wall of nostalgia. I met so many good long term friends in 2013. CS was my literal life back then. Go to class. Do my work. Game the rest of the night. Summers off from Uni, worked all day then gamed all night til the wee hours to feel like complete shit going into work the next day. Man, how things have changed in 10 years lol Crazy to really think about.
    Great video man.
    Also, this makes me miss "Anne Frank" on inferno lol. I used to love that little spot with the broken wall.

  • @CR0WYT
    @CR0WYT Год назад +4

    I'm conviced that Globals back then are now the average Gold Novas. The popularity boom of 2015 made the already high skill ceiling go through the roof due to RUclipsrs sharing every bit of information they could and already experienced players innovated on that information.

    • @branislavmlynka5357
      @branislavmlynka5357 Год назад

      dont agree with novas, but definitely something around dmg ,yes

    • @lumina1re329
      @lumina1re329 Год назад +2

      I think people that say this suffer extremely from recency bias and don't have a good understanding of the history of this game. It wasn't a new FPS, there were loads of former top 1.6 players in the casual scene so by late 2013 the ranking was already stacked. Only around the release and the time of NiP 87-0 record you could truly say there wasn't that much competition in the pro or even casual scene as 1.6 was still much more popular. A global in late 2013 would still smash any LE-LEM level player today.

    • @felixp1591
      @felixp1591 Год назад +1

      @@lumina1re329 Absolutely. Lmao, so ridiculous, how many people in the comments think the average scrub is better than the OG top players.

    • @lumina1re329
      @lumina1re329 Год назад +1

      @@felixp1591 Yeah as if f0rest wasn't already a pro for almost a decade by november 2013 (first csgo major). Very early CS GO wasn't as competitive cause a lot of 1.6 still didn't move on and others were half assing at the time, but obviously not to the effect that gold novas were top match making players (which would be kinda stupid to say but I get it with recency bias)

    • @rawbmar1166
      @rawbmar1166 Год назад +1

      @@lumina1re329 There was a ranking update a few years after the game came out which reset the ranks and made it harder. Many people who were once high rank during the early days of the game could only reach Nova / MG. These players would always say "I used to be X rank before the reset" not knowing this new rank is where they actually belong. Globals back then would be unable to compete with MGE's of today just due to the meta and utility meta shifts as Warowl showed here.

  • @andyhickman3509
    @andyhickman3509 Год назад +1

    "He can dance all day, he can dance all day" oh wow that purepwnage reference took me back

  • @Carftymk
    @Carftymk Год назад +4

    i've been saying it for years and i still stand by it. a current LEM random team would demolish 2012 NIP

    • @sterlingdriggs8806
      @sterlingdriggs8806 Год назад +1

      That reminds me of Dota. I looked back at the first Tournament winners and realized I could have crushed them after I had been playing for 6 years.

    • @felixp1591
      @felixp1591 Год назад +1

      Never. The average current LEM is still dogshit compared to old pro teams.
      Source: I am bad at the game and do decent against LEM.

  • @helloimuzumakikira1
    @helloimuzumakikira1 Год назад

    CSGO 2013: What is fire?
    CSGO 2023: Literal Fire Circus

  • @AntwanMounir
    @AntwanMounir Год назад +4

    Please never incorporate the sponsor that way again. Hated it

  • @jakubblaha4904
    @jakubblaha4904 Год назад +1

    Oh man, Get Right, forest, fifflaren, friberg, flusha, jw...the memories

  • @dragonsword305
    @dragonsword305 Год назад +1

    That advertisement segment really do be like how Twitch does it. I enjoyed the video, but not fond of that advert segment in terms of the format. It's really interesting how much things have changed over the decade.

  • @ashadowintime7305
    @ashadowintime7305 9 месяцев назад +1

    WarOwl in 10 years: "looking back it's insane how in this 2023 major final only one shotgun was bought when it has replaced the rifle right now in CS 2.3"

  • @em34ev3r
    @em34ev3r 6 месяцев назад

    This high level stuff!! I love professional counter-strike, some of the most memorable moments have been done in professional CS.

  • @CodKikkeli
    @CodKikkeli 4 месяца назад

    Wow what a trick to play that retake during the ad. I think there hasn't been single time before that i haven't skipped that in any video.

  • @eddie.moberg
    @eddie.moberg Год назад +1

    WarOwl deeply entertained me throw high school 2013 as a commentator of the professional games he uploaded. Watching WarOwl then go home and play csgo, good times:D

  • @androsp9105
    @androsp9105 Год назад +1

    Players not buying mollies because they aren't used to them reminds me of when the krieg was broken for years but most of the pros still stuck with the ak.

  • @Rugga81
    @Rugga81 Год назад

    I laughed at the "great mouse technique of picking it up a lot" remark 😂

  • @ruijikisu
    @ruijikisu Год назад +1

    this is actually very common in sports
    at one point i watched the historic wembley finale of the world cup in 1966 and my dad remarked that a amateur junior team from today would beat those teams today.
    its just fascinating that this kinda development happens in sports even if the basic rules are very static, even more interesting that it happens so fast in counter strike.
    like at one point it was like watching a game from a year ago felt outdated

    • @ChipsGoutSmegma
      @ChipsGoutSmegma Год назад

      That's a good news, it means that CS is a healthy esport game, following the trad sport evolution

  • @shadowduds
    @shadowduds Год назад +2

    5:53 meanwhile valorant devs releasing a map and not making any changes. (Only when the map clearly was flawed)

  • @Uliio
    @Uliio Год назад

    Love the FpsDough reference. Absolute legend

  • @lolzold4
    @lolzold4 Год назад +1

    I remember that top mid smoke... I still throw it sometimes because I got so used to it 😂.

  • @pripyaat
    @pripyaat Год назад +1

    I've almost forgotten the amount of crouch spamming when peeking such as in 4:39 LOL

  • @editedbytwentynine
    @editedbytwentynine Год назад

    feels so good to see iM in a warowl video, he got shouted out aswell :))
    (btw us romanians pronounce his name like "eat, met" but without the t's

  • @Paxton171
    @Paxton171 8 месяцев назад

    I never thought about doing this for CS, but I do this a lot with SC2. Some gold players today could be world champs back in 2011 for SC2.

  • @raresscridon6175
    @raresscridon6175 Год назад

    That Flusha joke really got me, it was nice and subtle

  • @SK_1337
    @SK_1337 Год назад

    6:20 "HE HAD THIS GREAT TECHNIQUE" yeah bro yeah XD toggle f10 technique XD

  • @felixbla7656
    @felixbla7656 Год назад

    i love the attention to detail with the hand animation xD xD

  • @axing_
    @axing_ Год назад +1

    That old Ninjas in Pyjamas lineup is still what I think of when I think of CS:GO e-sports, my 2014 NiP stickers covered AK Red Laminate is the skin I've had equipped non-stop since around 2014-2015 and I'm never selling it or equipping any other AK skin. Also my extremely ugly SCAR-20 Souvenir that I dropped while sitting in the stands of the 2015 IEM Katowice NiP vs Fnatic final. Glorious times, peak CS for me.

  • @AjaxKMA
    @AjaxKMA Год назад +1

    I miss that room at 7:53

  • @hatwearingdumb
    @hatwearingdumb Год назад +1

    07:14 Let's not glance over the fact that this guy took the supressor off the USP.

  • @johndamasco4669
    @johndamasco4669 Год назад +1

    Warowl just casually confirming he’ll still be making videos in 10 years time

  • @stretch668
    @stretch668 Год назад

    MORE MORE MORE!!!! id love if you brought back matchmaking academy and pro reviews when cs2 releases warowl. you are a massive reason that players are so good now, keep it up

  • @zinku418
    @zinku418 Год назад

    Wow, crazy you started promoting Control!, just as i had started ordering it, definitely going to use your code, thanks Warowl!

  • @SaebriSelect
    @SaebriSelect Год назад

    i havent touched CS in ages but im still always entertained by your views . this could of been like 20 minutes long before i would of noticed i guess

  • @fooltimer
    @fooltimer Год назад

    love that 3:29 idle animation shot, till then I was asking myself "why is he wearing gloves" xD

  • @lordzeolite
    @lordzeolite Год назад

    love how you still use transistor sound track in your videos.

  • @TheFancyKyle
    @TheFancyKyle Год назад

    Oh god this takes me back to when we used to get early in the AM to watch Matches together, good times!

  • @silentriot808
    @silentriot808 Год назад +1

    The very first CS tournament locally was FFA on random cs(hostage)_maps. Same person would win every tournament. This went on for a few years. Once people started to use the "walk" button he no longer was winning. Imagine, being pro in a game just by listening to footsteps. This was back when CS was on a CD, and being sold on the shelves of CompUSA. Look how far competitive CS has come.

  • @mkaz2497
    @mkaz2497 Год назад

    Thanks for DrinkCTRL for sponsoring yea,
    Can't help but to say that i don't believe at all "meal replacements" these products are clearly not replacing meals. Best scenario it adds some tiny amount of nutrients

  • @hahahahaha7237
    @hahahahaha7237 Год назад

    Never seen an ad and something I want to watch at the same time, big win.

  • @squid2039
    @squid2039 Год назад

    hearing "i hope to come back to this video 10 years later" made me realize that im eventually going to see "20 years ago" on a video one day, and thats kinda crazy to me idk

  • @Erindale
    @Erindale Год назад +1

    I only really played back in 2013-14 so it's crazy to see how much it's changed