Dyno Test: Best Tite-Reach Wrench Extender? + Mac & Snap On
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2021
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Today we have a look at Tite Reach wrench extenders? They seem to promise a lot, even being able to handle impact wrench use, so let's find out with the Tite Reach 3/8 Do-it-yourself Tite-reach 42437, 3/8" Professional Tite-reach Extension TR38V1, the Mac X9EPSW (which comes in 1/4" and 1/2" as M9EPSW & V11EPSW) and the almighty US made Snap-On FRW10.
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Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool 
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Makes for a good gift or could bail you out in a pinch when used by hand: amzn.to/3B91CNv It will take impact abuse, just not going to be transferring that impacting very dramatically as we showed. Either way, if you come out the other end not owning the ABS plastic model even my daughter could break, that's a win any way you look at it.
Congrats guys !! You know you have made it when AvE mentions you :) ruclips.net/video/uxTYcOXJORk/видео.html
Would a torque multipler work better on these tools to reach higher torque transfer?
I'd rather own a set of ratchet wrenches.
I realy don´t get this fixation on milwakee, there are many trades for which the high strenght is all the contrary to what they need, regarding precission, sensibilty and security features, there are better brands.
and that makes me think of all this reviews channels..I donnou I wonder how many have "real people" behind, and how does it works that big brands knock on your door and tell you- hey would you like doing some promotion for us, easy money- most of any of all these channels are entirely focused on one single brand...and most of them mostly only talk about strenght...
there are also all those channels making reviews with tons of tools behind and rolling on the table, anyone can see that these tools have never been used any single chance, the show only their hands never their faces, they never show those projects they used to work on, for which they need hundred different tools, or just look at their hands...those guys have never been to a contruction site haha, however they also have "the real worker version" too hahaha, they have all the salesman-client oriented videos possible.....youtube gets scarier day by day, plus the way the platform works, we realy do not watch what we want, but what the platform wants...that is, a hell ton of multinationals and lobbys cleaning their asses with youtube..
like I said, who knows, but...strange numbers and figures online
and there is this thing of selfcloning and rebranding of products...well...numbers speak for themselves
I want t say, however, in this case, the model of this channel very clever for promoting milwakee
I'd like to see you guys put a set of those torque limiting sticks on your rig. I've been curious about well they work with different strength impacts and how accurate they are.
Agreed
I think he mentioned that their accuracy depends/ changes on a few factors, in one of the first few episodes
@@freddym.1489 It would be good to see how it changes and what the factors are.
Workin on it
I find torque sticks underperform at my current shop. We have air delivery issues. At our old shop the were far more accurate.
I've always wondered why they don't make one with a larger and smaller gear for some torque multiplication since they absorb the impact blows so well.
They do, the mac? One was mentioned in the tear down with having different gear sizes for some mechanical advantage
@@bend7668 I believe on the Mac that the drive gear is bigger than the output gear, which would actually lead to decrease in torque but higher rpm.
If the output end was made with a significantly larger sprocket to get a torque advantage, it would kind of defeat the purpose of being a tool for tight reach areas.
@@F0XD1E it could still be just as slim if they use a proper hobbed gear and not a sintered metal one. Haven't gotten to the teardown yet, so not sure on original construction
I was thinking the same
I have the Tite-reach 'professional' model and an old Made-in-USA Bluepoint model. They've been absolutely handy for certain jobs. A definite time time-saver (and money-maker for the professional). I only use them on small fasteners though. Never seen an impact; only a cordless ratchet.
Use a breaker bar/long ratchet to break the fastener loose, then use these tools to conveniently zip them off/on.
If course I find this video 2 days to late I would have loved to have one of these for the upper control arm bolts on the trailblazer I was working on
Thanks, I appreciate your comment.
That’s how I would use it also.
I designed something like this 20 years ago, but couldn't find anyone to build it.
I'd go with the tight reach pro. As an engineer and being my own DIY mechanic, it is rare for me working on a car to need to apply over 50 to 60 left of force in such tight spaces. Wish you could've used a breaker bar to really test the torque figures under constant tension. It is very inefficient impacting one mechanism like this
Same
Same
I agree
Just one thing I noticed is that the chain the Snap On uses is $48 for a 10ft roll, not for the amount that each tool uses. So estimating that each extender uses 24 inches of chain, that's $9.60 worth of chain per unit at retail. Also it's safe to assume that Snap On paid a lower price per foot because they likely bought thousands of feet of chain. While it's true that the Snap On performed the best its comical to pretend like it's fairly priced. I'd guess that those extenders cost them $10-$20 each to manufacture.
Pretty much the case with all Snap-on tools. Good tools but not that good that they justify their ridiculous pricing,
@@slasher9883 depends on how you use them. I still say they are king when it comes to hand tools. Ratchets, sockets, wrenches, hammers are all built to last, warranty is king, and the little things like Flank Drive Plus make it all worth it 👌🏻
Yeah look into the video showing a certain model fap off Jack which is the extract same as the Daytona from hobo freight and they were charging close to 3x as much
@@Wesleystewart78 you mean the one that was copied by HFT which lead to a lawsuit? 🤣
@@matthewolson9704 Public records show that the jack (s) in question were purchased from an overseas production facility by both Snap-on and Harbor Freight. Neither company copied the other as neither one actually produced or designed it. They were just marketed under two different names brands. Additionally, the lawsuit that Snap-on filed was tried and Snap-on lost.
That would be such a fun tool to make the right way; roller bearings, high quality sprockets, a tensioner between sprockets to take up chain slack, straight chain path on driven side of sprockets, etc.
I would make it for 3/4" air impacts 🤣
Roller bearings concentrate stress at single point loads, so those are definitely not the way to go if you want to build this impact tool the right way...
Not sure if you’re thinking of ball bearings…
From google: “roller bearings, with their larger contact area, are ideal for applications with heavy radial loads….”
Seems like a roller bearing is ideal for these tools. What am I missing?
Is a multi direction tool you would be putting load on your tensioning system going one of the ways either fwd or rev depending on how you engineered it
@@RedShiftedDollari believe semi axles use tapered roller bearings correct me if im wrong i think they could handle the power of a impact
Your test earned Mac Tools a sale, was going to go cheaper but your video helped me make a more informed purchase. Thank you!!
I wonder how a chain tensioner on a thumb screw would affect the power transfer. Pre tensioning the chain might allow for better transfer especially as things wear and get sloppy.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not sure if that would help. Theoretically one side of the chain will always be under tension ,and since you can’t push a chain, the tension of the other side doesn’t matter. Right?
@@adamhakimji6461 torque lost is impact torque. Any bit of play within the sprocket and chain will lose power. If you put a 1/8” shank in a 1/4” hole, there’s 1/8” of wiggle room that allows something like an impact to wiggle.
Impact guns will cause the sprocket to move in both directions. The slop in the chain then needs to be taken up on the next impact. Reducing this 'bounce' back and forth would improve transfer. These are already hugely inefficient tools in terms of transfer. I don't think the added friction of a tensioner would be worse than the increased mechanical connection from the tighter chain.
@@toyorover1313 agreed that it would keep the chain slap down between impact blows. When using it with hand tools or a cordless ratchet I think it would matter much less. A small Delrin block with a pair of springs behind it would be all you'd need
Super interesting, good to see you guys testing more than just electric tools, keep up the good work
That was a fantastic video. I’ve been more curious about those more than any tool in the tool world. I’ve seen them used successfully, and myself have had one save my day, but never in a high torque, or heavy corrosion situation. You guys creating reliable measurements was highly informative, and now we all know their true capabilities. Thank you.
I’ve been looking at these and trying to decide which one I want. Putting a transmission back in to it would have been perfect. This video was perfect timing. Thanks for doing what y’all do.
Would love to see a strictly gear driven version. I imagine the flexibility of the chain kills the torque transfer.
The testing I didn’t know I needed but am very happy to have! 😍😍😍
Mac is neat value, snap on is best overall , the other two I would steer clear of.
I’ve had the tite reach ones for about 2 years. I only ever use the 1/2” one. It kills the torque on your impact but they are great for motor mounts on fwd 4 cyl cars. You don’t need to do any twisting. So that bolt you’d have to drop the motor for because you can get a ratchet on but can’t turn, now can be removed. Also the 1/2” tite reach has seen quite a lot of impact use over 2 years and is still holding up. So they do last surprisingly
Impeccable timing, I was just thinking about buying the Mac version of one of these yesterday!
Thanks guys! I was really tempted to buy a Tite-Reach last year but I bought and Milwaukee M12 extended reach ratchet instead. I'm glad I did! If I do buy one in the future, I'd buy the Mac Tools/Facom one as a KMC chain is very easy to source and replace.
In all honesty, I thought those extenders used a gear train to transmit power. I wonder how a gear set extender would compare to chain driven one, if they exist out there.
Given the width of the wrench, you'd be looking at 5 or 6 gears, at least. The lash in the gear chain would transmit but a small fraction of the power from an impact wrench. If you're using it with a torque wrench (which applies a lot more smooth, even torque), it'd probably be OK.
Gear train would less efficient and weaker. A chain is capable of engaging multiple teeth at a time. A gear set only full engages 1 tooth.
Chain is fine, it just needs some sort of tensioner
You would have a severe loss of torque with gears.
A worm gear drive would be the best
Interesting timing. RUclips recommended a "BEST Tools of SEMA" video this morning and it had a stop at the Tite Reach booth.
I had no idea these existed and now need to purchase one. Would have come in real handy for my last water pump replacement on my tribute. Even if I couldn't use it for final torque, it would have saved a lot of time running the long bolts in.
Always worth a watch. Like the spinup sounds on hand drive. Good sense of humor
That's actually In all of his videos it comes up with the like and subscribe self promo thing
You did a great job with these test. Thank you.
The other day I saw some RUclips video on the snap on one , never used it before and was interested in it but instantly thought “ would be cool to see the torque test channel test this tool”
I have both the Macs and still didn’t think they would go as high as you had them. Great video Now I know
As always a very informative and detailed video, thank you for this as i am considering buying the snap on one.
What a great video. I always wondered how good those things are, they would come in handy in my line of work. One thing, I haven’t looked: are there other manufacturers out there that make these things? Maybe some will be geared and not chain driven?? Live confidently and peacefully
Hello again Torque Test Channel
Thank you for another Great Video.
Finished watching the video - all of these 'tools' are going to be hard passes. Thanks for the review.
would be interesting to see those 90 degree adapters for impact drivers get this same treatment, great video
Exactly what I was going to say. I have a non-impact-rated DeWalt that hasn't given up the ghost even after some pretty stuck bolts. And it's been an absolute lifesaver for control arm bolts (I don't live in the rust belt, thank goodness)
dude this is the video i needed thank you!
I'm a new subscriber after I heard AvE mention you guys. Can't believe I just found this channel
You have save me and a lot of other people money by avoiding purchasing that plastic one! Thank you!
Awesome video as always! As a professional auto tech by trade I find it funny watching the ads for these things. Most ads show these being used in areas that absolutely do not need one of these and in my opinion using one would only make the job harder. That said though I’m sure this is likely the case for advertising because if they were being used where they’re really needed you couldn’t see much.
Just bought the 1/2" Mac yesterday and used it to spin off an input shaft nut on a t870 today then the puller for the pulley. I've had to use a 3/4 gun to spin some of these off so I'm pretty impressed with the transfer. Used a IR 2235ptimax
I think I might pick up a Snap-On. The shape of the unit looks like the chain makes a straight path from gear to gear resulting in less friction points to rob the torque and prevent a bunch of wear when spinning at higher speeds like when a bold head breaks off. Thanks again for another great video.
AvE gave you a little shout-out while looking to get into a little torque testing again 👍
The snap-on looks nicest, but at that price, I’ll never own it. The Facom, sorry, Mac one, is more in my price range and also more easily available to me, shame about the warranty though. Hummed and hahhhed over getting one, but this test for science has proven they are capable of withstanding and producing torque (though reduced). Thank you as always, and great to see you all mentioned by AvE, you’ve entered a certain circle (no pun intended), and vouched for, welcome to the family 😂.
You know, this actually seems like something you could make a better version of without an insane amount of work.
Enclosed body made from squaretube like the snapon, using hefty shafts on good bearings, and off-the-shelf motorcycle parts. Even standard 525 chain is rated for 9220lbs tensile strength, almost 4x the snapon's chain rating.
If you wanted to go even further, you could have custom sintered sprockets made with a beefier profile for maximum engagement and minimum drivetrain lash.
Bearings, that's the first thing I thought. That simple Snap-On with some good bearings would be really nice.
“You could make this without an insane amount of work” he says. Then follows that up with “custom sintered sprockets”.
@@alphazuluz Here, you dropped this: "If you wanted to go even further"
This would probably work better with a series of gears rather than a chain and sprockets. Once you take out all the backlash in the gears there is a lot less stretching and lost torque. You could even have some gear reduction by making the output gear slightly larger.
Amazing review !
Enjoyable video. I had no idea these tools existed. My choice? A long handle ratchet end wrench box end wrench. Unless one has to take out lots of bolts only these things can access every day, they just aren't worth it for the torque one can apply. One might use the hobby one with some sticky grease to hold a bolt for starting in an almost impossible situation, use it to rotate it until snug, then get out the afore mentioned hand ratchet wrench to tighten it up.
Thanks for saving me some coin. I’d been considering picking one of these up for a while, but to answer your question, my choice will be my cordless ratchet. If I just have to have one, I’ll build one myself as these don’t seem to show any advantage on some junk I could cook up with spare parts. I do wonder how a transfer case style chain/sprocket would perform in this application.
I have the snap on unit. That little thing has been impressive the few times I've needed.
I had too much money on the snap on truck one day and saw that apparatus and bought it. I call it my "secret weapon" jokingly mostly.. it's good for a few things though.. good to see it doesn't suck comparatively.
cool didn't know these existed. I think I could find a use for one on occasion. Awesome video man. I would but the MAC or Snap On for sure.
Thanks from Texas TTC
I bought the 1/2 Mac. I knew its gonna come with a substantial torque loss and, that chain will break pretty quick for what I planned on using it for (5/8 frame and suspension bolts). The tool has way more torque loss than I expected but, it did not break. My expectations were quite high but my Mac salesman assured me it’ll work. All in all it’s a pretty slick and cost effective tool to substitute a 1/2 electric or pneumatic ratchet if you already own a good impact gun.
You guys got a nice mention from AvE! He seems to approve of your channel! High praise, to be sure
A fantastic comparison. Thank you very much for saving me some money. I will be going with the Snap On in the near future.
A lot of years ago there was a similar tool that had a shaft drive, that was strong and didn't suck. The shaft was tubular steel and was attached to a worm gear at one end and a 3/8 drive at the other. the tool was two feet long. It was slow but it got you out of a jam.
I have had the tite reach version for a couple of years now...granted I don't use impacts on them, I do like them very much. They are great for those once in awhile hard to get at fasteners
Its ironic that you used Eric the Car Guys footage, as his video is where I first seen this tool. And 'till this day I remember Eric saying that the company that sent him the product told him not to take it apart... I have been wanting to see someone on youtube buy one with there own money to take apart ever since 😂
You answered my question. You can use it to start the bolt in hard to reach places plus remove them if you just use just a ratchet after you loosen them with a stronger tool first. I just ordered mine today. Thank you.
Thanks for the good info!
Interesting and helpful video, I’ve seen these things online and was curious to see how much they’d Rob from an impact wrench. Kind of a bummer was hoping something like this would allow me to use my big plug in el-cheapo impact in tighter confines where my 3/8s one doesn’t have enough power. By the time a home gamer like me looks at one of those tool truck tite wrenches it’s cheaper to buy that Milwaukee 3/8s.
Chains on drill tech drill rig I used to own/operate were made for impacting. Air rotary hammer bits, 25k pound casing driver impacts.
I have the Mac tools in 1/2, got it on special probably 4? years ago and I've used it maybe 3 or 4 times. I'm a truck and trailer mechanic, for all sizes and engine types. The mac works when I need it for the applications I've needed it to. I don't like Mac tools (I'm a bit of a snap-on fanboy) but I do like the tool.
I'd like to see one of those made with the car timing chain types that have 4-5 side plates per link. And some UHMW tensioning plates either side to take the slack out, as I guess that's where most of the torque disappears to.
How'd you read my mind, interesting video! I bought xc4.0 from your link, love it, thanks!
I think this sort of extender is meant to be used with a long leverage bar/extender. I think it can transfer the force of that not really a vibrating action you get from an impact wrench.
Was hoping you would include the facom version in your tests, i recently bought the 1/2" version and used it with a 5:1 ratio torque multiplier on some suspension bolts and i would go as far as saying it made very light work of undoing those bolts and worked like a charm, it has a 1-1.7 gear ratio and had no problem holding up to the job in hand, i dont have an impact driver to test it with though.
The Facom is the Mac, same design and both owned by Stanley Black and Decker. Both have the gear ratio advantage inside
I've got the Mac pair, seem ok. It's output is like 1/5 of the gun. I use them when doing rack & pinion swaps. Blue Point used to make one, it was handy to use during radiator swaps. I wore that one out. Now I just grab my flex head impact.
Id be curious to see how/if temperature effects the air impacts. Now that it's getting colder out I have an old cheap air impact that doesn't seem to like the cold but I throw it on the pellet stove for a few minutes and it seems to work better.
This is interesting to me because I had never heard of this tool before and independently a few months back made a rough drawing for one of these after getting annoyed at the limitations of a right angle bit
There should be a shaft drive with bevel gears version that multiplies torque at the fastener end
I wish you would have put this video out a few days ago.. Lol, Before I purchased the tight reach. 🙃 oh well.. Maybe I'll just send them back. Thanks for the info. Love the Channel, Awesome content! Keep up The Great Work!
I was trying to get the crank pulley bolt out of a 16yo Subaru. There wasn't room in front to put an impact on, without removing the radiator and AC condenser; I struggled with it by hand for over an hour and got nowhere. A mechanic buddy loaned me a ridiculous nuclear-powered SnapOn impact (rated I have no idea, but a LOT) and the MAC tight-reach tested here. I drove home, and ten minutes later I was back at his shop, handing him his tools, with the crank bolt in my pocket.
@@johncoops6897 Breaker bar with a pipe on it wouldn't break it loose. I suppose I could have found a longer pipe.
@@johncoops6897 Well if you're so freakin' smart, why didn't you tell me this in July??? 😂 I understand exactly what you're saying, and yes, that very well might have worked. I did try hitting the breaker bar with a hammer, but it wasn't particularly effective, and definitely didn't deliver the kind of direct shock & vibration the bolt needed. Thanks for the tip - TIL.
Super helpful!
Would be cool to see these tested with a breaker bar!
wow always thought those were a gimick but they kinda actually bring the frijoles. very nice work!.
"Hand tool driven action Which coincidently what I refer to my early 20's as a period of."
Awkward teen humor never gets old.
Lmao
I had to scroll through the comments to make sure nobody failed to mention this gem
I had the tight reach back in the day when they were blue and realized how useful they were on certain areas of a Peterbilt where you could get a ratchet but not turn it. This was until they broke. Then I saw the Mac ones in 3/8” and 1/2”. If I had known Snap-on made them I would have bought them instead. They really are an invaluable tool that can save time and your hands. I need to see if either Mac or Snap-on make a 1/4 drive now. Those were handy too.
Mac does M9EPSW
Would love to see you test some of the right angle non impact ratchets, specifically the newest Milwaukee 1/2
They've already said the don't have a good way to test those....
I wish you would have opened them up before and after and compare the wear on them. Great video
Thank you for making this
I have the Mac one and it's awesome. Bailed us out here at the bus garage.
I own the titereach... in practice it works okay. The snapon would be my choice if I was to buy today. That warranty is worth it
Would an air impact do better since it has stronger and slower blows? Since a lot of torque is lost in taking up the slack of the chain each hit I'd think
Would be cool to see an accuracy series with torque wrenches.
dude this is cool, i've never heard of this thing!
Love this video, but yes, I agree - even without watching - I'd have never wasted money on these - I get a lot more use out of extra long handled ratchet wrenches.
But throw a strong cordless ratchet on one of these and you've got a money maker 👌🏻
I wonder how they would perform with a thick half link BMX/Single speed chain installed instead of those relatively standard chains, since most of those appeared to be a standard 1/8" pitch, save for the #35 chain in the snap on. If they wanted to design the best possible version of this, both for torque and long term sprocket life, they would make one or both of the sprockets larger, as the lower your tooth count, the more likely you are to wear the teeth out/stretch the chain faster
Love the video u guys always do a great job. I wouldn't waste money on amy of them.... I would think a redesign is in order with some pinion gears and a shaft could get u much closer to real torque transfer.
Came back to watch see which one i can't live without lol
The only way to make this item stronger is to use gears that are connected from one end to the other. This is really hard to engineer for the space envelope. Peace
How do you animate those graphes? Do you have a sensor hooked up to the trigger of the gun so that when the trigger is disengaged it marks torque readings to disregard or something?
Tight Reach I think is good for that one bolt you can break loose with an wrench or ratchet but will spend too long getting it out with one of them like if you only get a “click” of clearance. But really only for the home user.
These extenders I've seen and always Wondered how they would work. What comes to mind is the top mount bolts for airbags on bulker super b trailers. Cant even see them let alone fit a wrench. The best way usually is to snap the studs out but you can't even fit a stubby impact.
To test the max torque I would get a very long breaker bar, position the extender tool a few degrees to one side of vertical, and put the breaker bar 90 degrees to the opposite side so the leverage is over center. Then apply force downward on it with everything you've got and see where or if it fails. I'd say it's pretty safe bet the Snap On with all steel construction and heavier chain will take the most strain. As far as transmitting power from the impact gun, that is inherently limited by the vibration of all the mechanical clearances in the tool vibrating.
sell a lot of the mac ones and I only fixed one in all the time we have been selling them. hard to get but work and hold up well. mac has a bogo on them also once or twice a year and sells all 3 drives also
When do they tend to run their bogo? Any particular holiday or time of year?
@@meme5887 last time was early 2021. they just came back into stock so maybe first qtr 2022??
it would be nice to have a measurement of the amount of force required to hold the extended in place from the end closest to the tool and still have it work. if you're using one of these it means you can't reach behind the bolt with your hand most times to directly hold it there
Hello TTC, love the channel. One thing I would love to see is the Milwaukee m18 2655B-20 vs the Milwaukee m12 2554-20. I would love to see the difference in torque
Great idea! Make a better more compact version! Same principle as a rear axle, minus center differential and have them at either end!
Wonder if there is a different way other than chain driven to transfer more torque but retain function in tight spaces 🤔
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL...
Would y'all be able to do a comparison of torque multipliers for use in both breaking and tightening?
Still wanna see some heat gun comparisons mainly wanna know if the craftsman and dewalt are the same and would love to know wich brand makes the best heat gun for the money
Would these transfer torque linearly? I'm thinking in the case of electrical switch boards. Some stuff that needs to be torqued to a spec are a nightmare to get to
I didn’t even know these existed till this video.
My life could’ve been so much easier this whole time..
Just finished using one while swapping headers and pulleys, it was soooooo much easier.
I can’t believe I actually worked on a car without an extension lmao.