I love how Lynnea pulled the rug out from under this guy. He got owned and he doesn't even realize it. That really was a fun conversation, because I haven't heard anyone dance so fast on the phone in quite a while. Matt has a great style, but I love Lynnea's non-confrontational style that exposes the absurdities of this caller. Bravo!
That was actually Genius. She walked him through the absurdity of his position and it was so clear, he couldn't accept it. The cognitive dissonance is so clear to all the viewers. That was fun.
I agree. I think a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, leave conversations with Matt thinking "that angry atheist didn't listen to me. Typical." Letting people trip over their own shoestrings like this is so much more satisfying to see.
Brilliant. Lynnea Glasser and Russel Glasser made a real team on this call, not sure if Matt would have done as well at drawing the poor man into showing his madness. One can only hope they come back every once in a while to offer up an example of how it can be done.
- Any worldview except for Christianity inevitably ends up in contradiction - What's contradictory about mine? - I don't believe it, show me some evidence. Hypocrisy is truly staggering.
This is definitely an oldie but a goody, and I don't' think anyone has commented on the skewering completely in context: 15:25 SETH: When _I_ reason, I reason from the impossibility of the contrary [i.e. God and revelation are the source of all intelligibility and unless YOU can DISPROVE that CLAIM, I win] 16:10 LYNNEA: I created the universe by traveling back in time, can you disprove that? [i.e. _I_ just accounted for all intelligibility and unless YOU can DISPROVE that, I win] 17:35 RUSSELL: Plus, Lynnea can lie, which makes her even more powerful than your god. 18:32: SETH: I don't believe that because I have common sense! [e.g. I believe in talking donkeys, genital mutilation, angels fathering children on Earth, zombies, slavery, infanticide, genocide, rape, witches, illness coming from demons, a resurrecting messiah who is his own father who has to die to pay off a debt previously paid for by blood sacrifices, etc. ] When you've been indoctrinated to believe that 2+2=5 then spend the rest of your life rationalizing that lie, it doesn't matter how many times someone SHOWS you 1,2,3, 4...4 is the correct answer, you will still answer "5" because you literally start off with an answer before you've even heard the question and sadly it's difficult to admit to yourself that in the end the only one you're lying to is yourself.
I think the real miracle here is how they can continue a conversation with someone being so disingenuous. The condescension of special pleading it both sad and inevitable. I don’t have to prove a thing is the intellectual equivalent of “I am right by din of being enlightened in a way you can’t be”. Ffs.
in the verse the Priests turned their staffs into snakes also but apparently the godly snakes were superior because they devoured the non godly snakes ... sounds more like a video game scenario
It never fails to amuse how seemingly intelligent people like this caller is able to be skeptical towards extraordinary claims for good reasons, but fail to apply the same standards for their own beliefs. Reason will usually lose a fight in our mind when feelings are getting involved.
This is old, In just the last couple of years, modern Egyptology has proven the legend of Moses never happened. The Exodus never happened. He thinks he's a Sye Ten wannabe.
It's weird that he would bring up Moses turning a staff to a snake, because the pharaoh's men were able to do the same. So, they ALSO were able to produce a "miracle", and it all just boiled down to "my snake is bigger than yours".
I would love to ask this caller whether he has experienced anything remotely similar in his own life to the miracles he believes have happened in the Bible
If god is a liar, and then said he couldn't lie, how could you tell that it was lying? Presuppositionalism is seriously the single worst argument for god. It's not the bottom of the barrel, it's the slime beneath the barrel
According to the Bible,god cheats in wrestling matches ( and still loses), so he is probably also a liar. Case in point: Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (spoiler: Adam eats the fruit shortly afterwards) Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
You have to acknowledge 3 fundamental "realities" to accept miracles. The predestined, divine order of things. A natural, causal order where human wills are given some sort of play and an order of exception, the "miracle" where rules of the previous two orders are ignored.
Advocating magic as real, special pleading, and doesn't comprehend his own argument when it's turned against him; that's pretty much all you need to know about presuppositionalists like this nut.
Lol, I saw the "staff to snake"-thing multiple times in Vegas. Nobody can do this on his own? Then those Vegas show magicians must all have a god on their payroll.
It's a pity Lynnea didn't know the full story of the giant snake. It was actually St Patrick - who brought the callers beloved religion to Ireland - who is supposed to have done this at Lough Muskry in County Tipperary, while he was spreading the gospels throughout Ireland. I wonder if the caller had been told that, would he suddenly have been willing to accept it as a miracle?
Q: _Do you know anything to be absolutely true?_ A: *Yes, I know that I do not know everything. For if I did know everything, the knowledge that I do in fact know **_everything_** would by definition be a part of that, and I find that I do not know that I know everything, therefore I know for a fact, I do not know everything.* *Now from that, there are only 2 possible vectors, either A) I am being truthfull about what I know, and indeed the knowledge that I know everything is not a part of my knowledge, and therefore I **_can_** know something to be absolutely true without God, or B) I am lying, and I do know everything, in which case.. I am God? or? what?*
Mmm, tasty tasty circular reasoning ^^ I really feel that this caller felt that he should be able to question other world views JUST BECAUSE they don't fit his, but yet, when his own views are questioned, he starts that nervous laughter of "Omg, how dare you". I hope he's in a better place now :)
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ^^ according to the Bible, god said that Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Numbers 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun. ^^ here god is breaking his promise... in other words, god lied
when the only way for you to define a term is by giving examples it probably means you dont have any idea how to define it.... "if you take any world view and reason it out consistently, it will fall apart into absurdity.... unless is is my absurd world view"....
When Matt is hosting, there's no point to having a co-host. Here Russel and Lynnea made a first class team. I bet they have a really sound marriage. Matt has trouble working with partners.
16:00 Lynnea created the world by the miracle of traveling back in time and created the universe. She is my hero. Ramen. She said it herself so we have first hand witness, much better than the bible.
The Irish people Certainly had a great thirst for mythological tales and were easily persuaded to adopt the equally facetious biblical accounts,i dont mean to be disrespectable, but perhaps poverty,poor nutrition,desperation and drink paved the way for religious conditioning....
Her: I went back in time and created the universe Him: well, I want proof of it Neither host: the universe exists, doesn’t it! That proves it! Me: sadness.
A better line of questioning would be: How do you know that God cannot deceive you? To which Seth would answer because that is Biblically revealed to be the case. The follow-up question is, how do you know that God was not deceiving you when that was revealed to you in the Bible? At that point, Seth going to realize or reveal, possibly both, that his world view, as he describes it, is dependant circular reasoning, and it is therefore nonsensical.
I am amazed how people become Saints by performing miracles after they died, of course the miracle has to be proven to be the work of the dead person, first how do you know it's a miracle, second how do you know the deceased person was involved, Catholics are amazing with stuff like that
There are two kinds of miracles. Lucky miracles and Magic miracles. An example of a lucky miracle is surviving an aeroplane crash or winning the lottery. An example of a magic miracle is walking on water or flying on a winged horse. You probably know that magic miracles only happen in fiction and are not possible in the real world.
That's another thing you can add to the List of Things Religious Apologists Will Try To Talk About to Avoid Facing Their Failure to Prove Any Gods Exist. ;)
It's funny that in the Dutch language a lot of religious words have lost their religious meaning. Probably because people turning athiest was a slower process (and for quite some time now)? Not necessarily to all people, but a word like "miracle" (wonder) has 3 meanings, the version 1) with help from God beyond natural causes (=religious) 2) something extraordinary, unexpected 3) strange. Same goes for "soul" 1) the non-matter part of a human (their being, thought, beliefs, character etc) as opposed to their physical body, 2) the "immortal" part of a human (=religious) 3) a human
Even the biblical story has the Egyptian priests make staff snakes, god's was just "stronger" and ate theirs so was a stronger god. Now there's no archeological evidence of the exodus story, but when has that ever stopped people from believing anything eh? ;)
God has told us he can't lie..... but what if that statement is a lie , believing god can't lie relies on acceptance of what's been stated but as we all know from life experiences acceptance doesn't necessarily mean that thing is true or correct, the fact that it was accepted once that the earth was stationary being an example to demonstrate the point
Seth wants proof Lynnea went back in time and made the universe.... Seth the universe exist. So obviously she went back in time and created it, other wise you wouldn't exist to question the fact Lynnea went back in time to create the universe.
Well that would mean the bible is not true. And we know it's true because apparently it has no inconsistencies, unlike literally every other world view ever conceived. And don't even try to point out inconsistencies in the bible because I'll handwave those away.
Kwyjibo O_o Okay God is all powerful right? If he makes a rock and tries to lift it, two things happen: God fails to lift the rock (Doesn’t have enough strength) or God lifts the rock (fails to make a strong enough rock) No Matter what he does, he fails Also good is all good, why create evil and send us to hell? If he was all knowing and all good and all powerful, he could no matter what he did only create good, but if he can only create good, he isn’t all powerful
@@sad-pt7xd Do you really think our tiny human brains can comprehend the full breadth of God's immense power? It's very presumptuous to assume that our limited understanding of something is enough to make any determinations about its nature.
Kwyjibo O_o it doesn’t matter, If God acts then he doesn’t have enough power. Also calling the human brain “tiny” isn’t a good enough explanation for me, our “tiny” brain created space ships, computers, build houses, modify out genes, domesticate other species and make other organisms evolve in certain ways
@@sad-pt7xd Our brains haven't created a literal universe. We haven't created reality as we know it. So why would you claim to understand anything that could do that?
The only _'validation of revelation'_ is for this god to show up, and NOT by stories of magic acts. ps (edit): and on the limits to data we have; the ONLY reasonable response to that is: _"yes: we don't have that data (yet)"_ and NOT: _"and therefor god"._ How's that for a _"worldview"_ (sic) that is both honest and consistent? Cause, really: how is: _"god spoke everything into existence"_ honest and consistent, when we don't have all the data?
For most people, pure reality gets pretty boring. It's fun to create other realities, like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Anything can happen there, and does. When you invent another universe then try to convince other people it's real, that's a delusion.
I love how Lynnea pulled the rug out from under this guy. He got owned and he doesn't even realize it. That really was a fun conversation, because I haven't heard anyone dance so fast on the phone in quite a while. Matt has a great style, but I love Lynnea's non-confrontational style that exposes the absurdities of this caller. Bravo!
Yeah, he immediately abandoned that line if argument when he saw his destruction sitting right in front if him.
"Brava!" ... just sayin'.
@Enjoy and Travel The World! true dat
That was actually Genius. She walked him through the absurdity of his position and it was so clear, he couldn't accept it. The cognitive dissonance is so clear to all the viewers. That was fun.
I agree. I think a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, leave conversations with Matt thinking "that angry atheist didn't listen to me. Typical." Letting people trip over their own shoestrings like this is so much more satisfying to see.
He demands evidence for their claims, but says evidence isn't required for his.
Welcome to religion
It will be a miracle the moment the caller wakes up out of his paper fairy tales..
It's amazing how much went over this guy's head.
Brilliant. Lynnea Glasser and Russel Glasser made a real team on this call, not sure if Matt would have done as well at drawing the poor man into showing his madness. One can only hope they come back every once in a while to offer up an example of how it can be done.
Lynnea's having fun...
She's great
I believe she traveled back in time and created the universe.
@@SolarisKane trees came from seeds. my eyes came from my mother...hers were brown my dads were hazel.
So when the pharaoh’s priests also had snakes “come alive” from wood, what was behind those miracles?
Lynnea was.
Wadjet of course :)
The profound ability to create illusions and story lines about them
Sorcery, which is evil stuff. (That's seriously what I've heard three pastors say).
@@seandan7873 too fucking funny.
I wish Lynnea would return as a guest again.
.... unless I choose to suspend them. Oh man, that's beautiful.
- Any worldview except for Christianity inevitably ends up in contradiction
- What's contradictory about mine?
- I don't believe it, show me some evidence.
Hypocrisy is truly staggering.
And that's how you get a presup to ask for evidence.
His worldview is too good for things like "evidence". But YOURS REQUIRES IT.
Lynne is as quick and as smart as a whip.
Why hasn't Lynnea been on more?
I think she only filled in a few times when they needed a last-minute replacement.
She was probably playing the eternal throne DLC in SWTOR because her shit I from the alliance against Zakkul
We need both of these guys back on the show.
I LOVE this co-host....
1st time seeing her and she's great.
The absurdity of religion clearly on display. Exposed by Lynnea. Excellent job.
This is definitely an oldie but a goody, and I don't' think anyone has commented on the skewering completely in context:
15:25 SETH: When _I_ reason, I reason from the impossibility of the contrary [i.e. God and revelation are the source of all intelligibility and unless YOU can DISPROVE that CLAIM, I win]
16:10 LYNNEA: I created the universe by traveling back in time, can you disprove that? [i.e. _I_ just accounted for all intelligibility and unless YOU can DISPROVE that, I win]
17:35 RUSSELL: Plus, Lynnea can lie, which makes her even more powerful than your god.
18:32: SETH: I don't believe that because I have common sense! [e.g. I believe in talking donkeys, genital mutilation, angels fathering children on Earth, zombies, slavery, infanticide, genocide, rape, witches, illness coming from demons, a resurrecting messiah who is his own father who has to die to pay off a debt previously paid for by blood sacrifices, etc. ]
When you've been indoctrinated to believe that 2+2=5 then spend the rest of your life rationalizing that lie, it doesn't matter how many times someone SHOWS you 1,2,3, 4...4 is the correct answer, you will still answer "5" because you literally start off with an answer before you've even heard the question and sadly it's difficult to admit to yourself that in the end the only one you're lying to is yourself.
Feakin nailed it, well done
I think the real miracle here is how they can continue a conversation with someone being so disingenuous. The condescension of special pleading it both sad and inevitable. I don’t have to prove a thing is the intellectual equivalent of “I am right by din of being enlightened in a way you can’t be”. Ffs.
Dint. Din is just noise. ;)
J M2064 duly noted! 😂
it will be a miracle when god finally shows up
We atheists will be like "The bible is the literal ravings of a mad God, what the fuck is wrong with you"
He starts with believing the scripture is true. Yeah that's called ''self deception'' and it's a con game. to quote Matt Dillahunty
I love the ending...Checkmate!
Bring Lynnea back!!!!
Seth had a taste of his own medicine and probably didnt even realise it
According to his definiton, “something not produced by nature,” planes, screws, and thumbtacks would all be miracles.
Something something people are part of nature and thus everything they create is made by nature something something
in the verse the Priests turned their staffs into snakes also but apparently the godly snakes were superior because they devoured the non godly snakes ... sounds more like a video game scenario
Biblical pokemon!
@@electricc437 lol, amazing, thank you. I needed that laugh.
Lynnea is an absolute hero.
It never fails to amuse how seemingly intelligent people like this caller is able to be skeptical towards extraordinary claims for good reasons, but fail to apply the same standards for their own beliefs. Reason will usually lose a fight in our mind when feelings are getting involved.
Lynnea is stone cold awesome. She owned this.
“Asking a question is not making a point so I’m going to pause on that one” ouch 😂😂
I looooove lynnea's responses!
He uses the story of Moses turning a stick into a snake a an example of god-given miracle.
But didn’t the Pharaoh’s magicians do the exact same thing?
So, a miracle is a magic trick.
Always amuses when religious folk try to appear smart, and then ask questions of others which they can't answer themselves. "How do you prove it?"
This is old, In just the last couple of years, modern Egyptology has proven the legend of Moses never happened. The Exodus never happened. He thinks he's a Sye Ten wannabe.
You do realise that he does not care? Everything that does not contort to his book he would ignore.
@@KristerAndersson-nc8zo Det är en viktig del af religioner ...............
vilket? Jag är ganska säker på att hinduer skiter i Egypten.
@@KristerAndersson-nc8zo Högst antagligt ..................
@@ralfhaggstrom9862: important to keep the fable going. Modern religion is dying.
That was beautiful, well played time lord well played.
This was genius, I wish they could troll any or all of the infamous presups out there, Sye Ten et al, like this
She’s really good. I’m disappointed they don’t have her on more often.
I love how Don says that Seth is just making assertions, and then Seth almost immediately asserts that the logical worldview is the Christian one. 😂
Presuppositionalism is one of the most, if not the most, irrationnal and arrogant worldview ever.
I searched it bcs I never heard of it, it looks very funny on images
It's a great cure for cogniphobia though!
And we must presuppose that presup is the most annoying, etc...
Because if one existed that was even more insufferable, Sye would be that instead.
That was perfect....preserving his own argument against him. Seth simply refused to admit it.
ok yeah Lynnea is amazing!
It makes more sense that Lynnea traveled back in Time to Create the Universe than that Seth could be honest about his "World-View".
It's weird that he would bring up Moses turning a staff to a snake, because the pharaoh's men were able to do the same. So, they ALSO were able to produce a "miracle", and it all just boiled down to "my snake is bigger than yours".
Sound like a reasonable fellow. He should be an atheist by now.
The problem is that he got so close to seeing he was steeped in shit. He just couldn't go the last yard
"Well the way I think of it is..."
- translation -
"Gimme a minute to reconcile this back to my established religious worldview."
When my wife accepted my proposal of marriage that was a miracle.
I'm actually feeling sorry for Seth. He was twisting himself in knots trying to defend himself and failing.
To be fair, it's the only way you can defend biblical miracles. More commendable would have been for Seth to just admit he was wrong.
I would love to ask this caller whether he has experienced anything remotely similar in his own life to the miracles he believes have happened in the Bible
If god is a liar, and then said he couldn't lie, how could you tell that it was lying? Presuppositionalism is seriously the single worst argument for god. It's not the bottom of the barrel, it's the slime beneath the barrel
According to the Bible,god cheats in wrestling matches ( and still loses), so he is probably also a liar. Case in point:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(spoiler: Adam eats the fruit shortly afterwards)
Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
C Nault can you please show me God cheating on a wrestling match? That sounds like the funniest thing ever
@@sad-pt7xd yeah, did he deliver a kick to the nuts but was then forced to tap out of a Texas cloverleaf? Or was it a figure-four?
I created the universe and I only made 1 mistake. I called it Seth.
You have to acknowledge 3 fundamental "realities" to accept miracles. The predestined, divine order of things. A natural, causal order where human wills are given some sort of play and an order of exception, the "miracle" where rules of the previous two orders are ignored.
It was a miracle wen the call ended..
Thanks Lynnea.
Pharaohs magicians did the same thing. Magic is magic.
Advocating magic as real, special pleading, and doesn't comprehend his own argument when it's turned against him; that's pretty much all you need to know about presuppositionalists like this nut.
That Star Wars analogy did not age well.
Well it is from a long time ago. And a culture far far away.
that was great!
@ 20 minute mark Lynnea gives Russell a look of, "how much longer are we going to let this fool prattle on?"
I can atleast respect him being honest about miracles and not claiming say, winning a lottery as a miracle
Well theists, we have common sense too
Lol, I saw the "staff to snake"-thing multiple times in Vegas. Nobody can do this on his own? Then those Vegas show magicians must all have a god on their payroll.
That is even more confusing then the Trinity!
Booooooom! That was awesome... I love her world view... now i'm a believerrr
It's a pity Lynnea didn't know the full story of the giant snake.
It was actually St Patrick - who brought the callers beloved religion to Ireland - who is supposed to have done this at Lough Muskry in County Tipperary, while he was spreading the gospels throughout Ireland.
I wonder if the caller had been told that, would he suddenly have been willing to accept it as a miracle?
9:21 Damn son, things were looking good for SW back then!
Lmao, I love them. She slaughtered him. And then got the added, “Yeah, and I assume she’s right.”
Q: _Do you know anything to be absolutely true?_
A: *Yes, I know that I do not know everything. For if I did know everything, the knowledge that I do in fact know **_everything_** would by definition be a part of that, and I find that I do not know that I know everything, therefore I know for a fact, I do not know everything.*
*Now from that, there are only 2 possible vectors, either A) I am being truthfull about what I know, and indeed the knowledge that I know everything is not a part of my knowledge, and therefore I **_can_** know something to be absolutely true without God, or B) I am lying, and I do know everything, in which case.. I am God? or? what?*
I recommend watching at x1.5 or x1.75 speed
Mmm, tasty tasty circular reasoning ^^ I really feel that this caller felt that he should be able to question other world views JUST BECAUSE they don't fit his, but yet, when his own views are questioned, he starts that nervous laughter of "Omg, how dare you". I hope he's in a better place now :)
Let's start by saying that star wars is true, then, obviously, darth vader exists! There you go! \o/
all things are predestined people have free will that is definitely not a contradiction
LYNNEA IS THE GOAT! She puts it to 'em! (Also I love the name.)
Where does the Christian god say he can't lie? There's a bible quote where the god character says he'll make people believe a falsehood
Because when god does it, it's not a lie, it's a test.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
^^ according to the Bible, god said that
Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Numbers 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
^^ here god is breaking his promise... in other words, god lied
@@justsomeguy8385 What a liar, a liar for Jebus.
This was a profound and rigorous upturn on presuppositionalism, and they guy simply didnt catch it.
"I have common sense" says the guy who is arguing that miracles are real.
Lynnea is such a cutie patootie. I know Russell's sister and wife have both co-hosted. Is Lynnea his sister or his wife?
when the only way for you to define a term is by giving examples it probably means you dont have any idea how to define it.... "if you take any world view and reason it out consistently, it will fall apart into absurdity.... unless is is my absurd world view"....
I'm sorry but when Matt isn't hosting the show, some of the most productive conversations happen.
When Matt is hosting, there's no point to having a co-host. Here Russel and Lynnea made a first class team. I bet they have a really sound marriage. Matt has trouble working with partners.
@@rcmrcm3370 True. I think it works better if Matt is alone since he likes to talk most of the time.
16:00 Lynnea created the world by the miracle of traveling back in time and created the universe. She is my hero. Ramen. She said it herself so we have first hand witness, much better than the bible.
The Irish people Certainly had a great thirst for mythological tales and were easily persuaded to adopt the equally facetious biblical accounts,i dont mean to be disrespectable, but perhaps poverty,poor nutrition,desperation and drink paved the way for religious conditioning....
Her: I went back in time and created the universe
Him: well, I want proof of it
Neither host: the universe exists, doesn’t it! That proves it!
Me: sadness.
A better line of questioning would be: How do you know that God cannot deceive you? To which Seth would answer because that is Biblically revealed to be the case. The follow-up question is, how do you know that God was not deceiving you when that was revealed to you in the Bible? At that point, Seth going to realize or reveal, possibly both, that his world view, as he describes it, is dependant circular reasoning, and it is therefore nonsensical.
I am amazed how people become Saints by performing miracles after they died, of course the miracle has to be proven to be the work of the dead person, first how do you know it's a miracle, second how do you know the deceased person was involved, Catholics are amazing with stuff like that
There are two kinds of miracles. Lucky miracles and Magic miracles.
An example of a lucky miracle is surviving an aeroplane crash or winning the lottery.
An example of a magic miracle is walking on water or flying on a winged horse.
You probably know that magic miracles only happen in fiction and are not possible in the real world.
Actually it says in either Genesis or Exodus that God lies to man! I will go look up the exact verse and edit in a bit...
That's another thing you can add to the List of Things Religious Apologists Will Try To Talk About to Avoid Facing Their Failure to Prove Any Gods Exist. ;)
Seth: miracles are something miraculous. He found this in the idiots guide to miracles called the BuyBull.
It's funny that in the Dutch language a lot of religious words have lost their religious meaning. Probably because people turning athiest was a slower process (and for quite some time now)?
Not necessarily to all people, but a word like
"miracle" (wonder) has 3 meanings, the version
1) with help from God beyond natural causes (=religious)
2) something extraordinary, unexpected
3) strange.
Same goes for "soul"
1) the non-matter part of a human (their being, thought, beliefs, character etc) as opposed to their physical body,
2) the "immortal" part of a human (=religious)
3) a human
All those exist as the meaning in English as well. It gets confusing and is one of the reasons definitions are so important to lay out at the start.
Selective in miracles this one is ...
😬😩😧
As long as it confirms his views.
😉😁😂🤣
God doesn’t lie.
What about in Genesis when he lied to Adam and Eve?
That’s not an internal inconsistency and isn’t based on my worldview.
If he can’t lie, why does he not answer me when I ask him if he is real?
Even the biblical story has the Egyptian priests make staff snakes, god's was just "stronger" and ate theirs so was a stronger god. Now there's no archeological evidence of the exodus story, but when has that ever stopped people from believing anything eh? ;)
Classic male "snake measuring"
What is the difference between miracle and magic?
Pharaoh's magicians turned their sticks into snakes as well. Does that mean that God was performing miracles through the magicians also?
God has told us he can't lie..... but what if that statement is a lie , believing god can't lie relies on acceptance of what's been stated but as we all know from life experiences acceptance doesn't necessarily mean that thing is true or correct, the fact that it was accepted once that the earth was stationary being an example to demonstrate the point
This guy would have to believe Penn and Teller perform miracles. Too much Booble reading.
Seth wants proof Lynnea went back in time and made the universe....
Seth the universe exist. So obviously she went back in time and created it, other wise you wouldn't exist to question the fact Lynnea went back in time to create the universe.
What if god was lying when he said in scripture that he can't lie?
Well that would mean the bible is not true. And we know it's true because apparently it has no inconsistencies, unlike literally every other world view ever conceived. And don't even try to point out inconsistencies in the bible because I'll handwave those away.
Kwyjibo O_o Okay God is all powerful right? If he makes a rock and tries to lift it, two things happen: God fails to lift the rock (Doesn’t have enough strength) or God lifts the rock (fails to make a strong enough rock)
No Matter what he does, he fails
Also good is all good, why create evil and send us to hell? If he was all knowing and all good and all powerful, he could no matter what he did only create good, but if he can only create good, he isn’t all powerful
@@sad-pt7xd Do you really think our tiny human brains can comprehend the full breadth of God's immense power? It's very presumptuous to assume that our limited understanding of something is enough to make any determinations about its nature.
Kwyjibo O_o it doesn’t matter, If God acts then he doesn’t have enough power.
Also calling the human brain “tiny” isn’t a good enough explanation for me, our “tiny” brain created space ships, computers, build houses, modify out genes, domesticate other species and make other organisms evolve in certain ways
@@sad-pt7xd Our brains haven't created a literal universe. We haven't created reality as we know it. So why would you claim to understand anything that could do that?
The main purpose of miracles in the Bible is to convince people that these amazing things mean a god has to exist. They’re just stories.
The only _'validation of revelation'_ is for this god to show up, and NOT by stories of magic acts.
ps (edit): and on the limits to data we have; the ONLY reasonable response to that is: _"yes: we don't have that data (yet)"_ and NOT: _"and therefor god"._ How's that for a _"worldview"_ (sic) that is both honest and consistent?
Cause, really: how is: _"god spoke everything into existence"_ honest and consistent, when we don't have all the data?
For most people, pure reality gets pretty boring. It's fun to create other realities, like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. Anything can happen there, and does. When you invent another universe then try to convince other people it's real, that's a delusion.