Great video. On the market for a second M11 Body and decided to go with the silver M11P. If I have to part ways with all my cameras and need to stay with only one the M11 P will be the one. Have you got a chance to get a copy of the new Summicron 28mm f2?
I do love your channel and I’m in awe of all the amazing gear you share with us. I am not a pro, but I will be buying an M11 or M11P. Do you think the M11P will maintain a higher resale value? It doesn’t have the coveted red Leica badge on the front, so I don’t know if it will be as sought after,, or not. Thanks!
IMHO, the M11-P will have a higher resale value. Let's have a look at the new prices from Leica Store Miami for each one: M11: $8,995 M11-P: $9,195 The difference is only $200, yet the M11-P has double the internal memory, plus the CAI feature. I think those extra features are worth more than just $200!
Nice camera. I like the P versions (had the Q-P). Congrats. I wonder wether there will be software upgrade/date for the normal M11 to add that authenticity feature. Maybe you could ask your Leica contacts. Thanks for sharing
Thanks RS, will ask and find out. My understanding is that there is software and some chip necessary for this but I might be wrong. Will get the info next weeks.
I just got an M11 in September. The added storage is nice, but I rarely ever exceed 64GB before downloading anyway. Can't wait to see if the LCC trickles down to the M11 or only on new models moving forward. Thanks for this quick overview.
The M11 is probably the best camera for hiking trips, (manual pre-) focussing by focal range scale on the M lenses most convenient focussing ever. With the Summicron-M 2/75 and the Summicron-M 2/28 in combination with the 60 megapixel probably your best friend for landscape and reportage photography. I'm a little bit jealous on the Noctilux-M 1.25/75 ASPH, unfortunately currently out of my financial capabilities 😅. That's pretty hard if you're severely suffering of GAS 🤪.
Love the black paint on brass, but I saw a picture of the Silver and it’s nice. Can you do a review on the 21mm SL? I haven’t seen anything about it. ✌️out
Two years ago, I wrote a post on a forum about image authentication, and how it's a necessary discussion. Almost every reply was negative (those negative replies were probably from the same people who believed that mirrorless would never replace DSLRs). Well, its good to see that Leica is taking this seriously! I have my own ideas about image authentication, so maybe a different manufacturer will approach the problem differently. P.S. So when will Leica cameras have HEIF as an option? They could have offered a 16-bit compressed file format 15 years ago (JPEG 2000).
Indeed - its finally there, content credentials. My personal opinion is aligned with yours, I think we need proof of authenticity, living in an age of AI, ML and deep fakes.
Ich werde das mal ausprobieren. Mein Gefühl sagt mir, dass der Shutter Sound der M11-P etwas diskreter ist. Aber ich kann gerne die beiden Kameras mal nebeneinander halten und dann die Dezibel messen.
Another collector's item! The parts are made in Portugal and the camera is assembled in Wetzlar/Germany! Who provides the 60MP sensor? I guess it is an SONY sensor! 😉
Very interesting initiative this new Content Creator Authenticity, but as long as is a digitized document it can be reproduced by a computer. I mean, it looks like pumped Exif, that is good but at the same time to protect against AI reproduction or misappropriation seems the first step to do but still too easy to hack. Well maybe it will work.
I will try to get more experience with Content Credentials and then come back with a video on the topic, interests me a lot and clearly is the right direction of travel.
Yeah. I was also thinking what happen if someone takes a screenshot of an image or copy and pastes part of the image onto a new PSD document. More examples would be great to understand how this will work in different scenarios.
@@GastonShutterscan be transmitted like a digital negative onto a alternate sensor- content credential removed. A physical negative with hand written by author is best provenance
Thank you for crystal clarity again! Mrs Mathphotographer and her sister are elegant as ever!
I wonder if they will do a black paint version. I love my black paint M10 R
Maybe yes, for sure we also will see some special limited editions in the next couple of years.
Want to sell that bp?
@@D.TriderMaybe someday.
Great video. On the market for a second M11 Body and decided to go with the silver M11P. If I have to part ways with all my cameras and need to stay with only one the M11 P will be the one. Have you got a chance to get a copy of the new Summicron 28mm f2?
Bought mine last week with the 28mm Summilux. Seriously nice camera and images to match!!!
Can you always see the original image with CAI enabled?
As far as I know yes, the original unmodified image. If you enable Content Credentials, of course.
I do love your channel and I’m in awe of all the amazing gear you share with us.
I am not a pro, but I will be buying an M11 or M11P. Do you think the M11P will maintain a higher resale value? It doesn’t have the coveted red Leica badge on the front, so I don’t know if it will be as sought after,, or not. Thanks!
IMHO, the M11-P will have a higher resale value. Let's have a look at the new prices from Leica Store Miami for each one:
M11: $8,995
M11-P: $9,195
The difference is only $200, yet the M11-P has double the internal memory, plus the CAI feature. I think those extra features are worth more than just $200!
I agree and ended up buying the M11p!
Still waiting for front electronic curtain shutter mode.
That would be great!
6:20 Nikon did this (similar function) about 16 years ago. nikon Image Authentication Software (nikon D2x)
Hello😊 so M11-P has the same paint finish as M11 Black ? Or is it same as M11 Monochrom ? This is my deciding factor in purchasing this camera.
Nice camera. I like the P versions (had the Q-P).
Congrats.
I wonder wether there will be software upgrade/date for the normal M11 to add that authenticity feature.
Maybe you could ask your Leica contacts.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks RS, will ask and find out. My understanding is that there is software and some chip necessary for this but I might be wrong. Will get the info next weeks.
@@mathphotographer Seen something where the said added a security chip. I believe Apple does the same thing in some (probably all) of their products.
Hi Math, do they have the same shutter sound?
Would be great to know! The M11 is louder than the m10p/m10r :-(
I believe the shutter sound is a tiny bit more discrete but maybe I hear what I want to hear :)
I just got an M11 in September. The added storage is nice, but I rarely ever exceed 64GB before downloading anyway.
Can't wait to see if the LCC trickles down to the M11 or only on new models moving forward. Thanks for this quick overview.
Good point, its nice to have more storage but generally 64GB is plenty of space on the M11.
The M11 is probably the best camera for hiking trips, (manual pre-) focussing by focal range scale on the M lenses most convenient focussing ever. With the Summicron-M 2/75 and the Summicron-M 2/28 in combination with the 60 megapixel probably your best friend for landscape and reportage photography. I'm a little bit jealous on the Noctilux-M 1.25/75 ASPH, unfortunately currently out of my financial capabilities 😅. That's pretty hard if you're severely suffering of GAS 🤪.
Good comment, fully agree, thanks!
Correct me if Im wrong but didn't Canon have a camera 5D MKIII I think that had the same ability to verify if the picture as authentic?
I honestly don't know, I never owned a Canon 5DIII.
Does this one freeze as well?
I believe they have fixed that - I had two - third one is fine
@@nelsonclub7722 this is the determining factor. No point in buying a camera at that price with that issue.
The freeze issue was fixed some time ago with new firmware, never had any issues since then.
@@nelsonclub7722 YES - its fixed once and for all.
I heard from many people that the new firmware2.0.1 for M11 is causing the camera to freeze up again. Could you test this for us?
I had no issues so far.
Love the black paint on brass, but I saw a picture of the Silver and it’s nice. Can you do a review on the 21mm SL? I haven’t seen anything about it. ✌️out
Top is aluminium
8,000 .for the camera body as Ffords are taking pre orders for it i saw on fb ..
Then what about the choice of Glass ..available ??
Its the usual price tag for a Leica-M camera. I am sure the M11-P will sell very well :)
Thanks Math... M11P or Hassy X2D ?!
Difficult comparison. These are totally different camera systems. I love them both :)
hassy for that phenomenal IBIS
Two years ago, I wrote a post on a forum about image authentication, and how it's a necessary discussion. Almost every reply was negative (those negative replies were probably from the same people who believed that mirrorless would never replace DSLRs). Well, its good to see that Leica is taking this seriously!
I have my own ideas about image authentication, so maybe a different manufacturer will approach the problem differently.
P.S. So when will Leica cameras have HEIF as an option? They could have offered a 16-bit compressed file format 15 years ago (JPEG 2000).
Indeed - its finally there, content credentials. My personal opinion is aligned with yours, I think we need proof of authenticity, living in an age of AI, ML and deep fakes.
@@mathphotographeralways had content authentication with my physical negatives.
Great video! Maybe it Will be my first Leica. Q; why Will buy silver?
I have a TL2, a CL, an SL2, a Q3 and a Q2 Monochrom. Do is need an M11-P? 🤔
Only if you enjoy the true pleasure of manual rangefinder photography, otherwise not :)
@@mathphotographer❤
🥰 dream point and shoot
Niemand thematisiert den Shutter Sound, schade! Ist dieser denn leiser, als bei der M11? Der Unterschied von M10 zu M10-P ist schon sehr markant.
Ich werde das mal ausprobieren. Mein Gefühl sagt mir, dass der Shutter Sound der M11-P etwas diskreter ist. Aber ich kann gerne die beiden Kameras mal nebeneinander halten und dann die Dezibel messen.
Another collector's item! The parts are made in Portugal and the camera is assembled in Wetzlar/Germany! Who provides the 60MP sensor? I guess it is an SONY sensor! 😉
I’m pretty sure z Sony makes almost everyone’s sensors but the companies design their own. Probably helps keeps cost down or profits up!
So I guess the difference is the Red Dot, Top Plate Engraving & storage capacity? $, more, less?
@@thomastuorto9929including the authenticity mechanism …
Most sensors are made by Sony, would not be surprised if this a a modified version of the Sony A7RV sensor.
@@mahdimanesh4221 ??
Nice shots :)))) I just subscribed your channel.:)))
Thanks for the sub! And warm welcome to the channel :)
Why is it more robust compared to m11?
Thank you
Pleasure :)
Very interesting initiative this new Content Creator Authenticity, but as long as is a digitized document it can be reproduced by a computer. I mean, it looks like pumped Exif, that is good but at the same time to protect against AI reproduction or misappropriation seems the first step to do but still too easy to hack. Well maybe it will work.
I will try to get more experience with Content Credentials and then come back with a video on the topic, interests me a lot and clearly is the right direction of travel.
Yeah. I was also thinking what happen if someone takes a screenshot of an image or copy and pastes part of the image onto a new PSD document. More examples would be great to understand how this will work in different scenarios.
@@GastonShutterscan be transmitted like a digital negative onto a alternate sensor- content credential removed.
A physical negative with hand written by author is best provenance
my understanding from Leica this is hardware based and cannot be added to existing cameras through software.
Likely yes - I did not have a lot of information when I got the camera for testing some time back before the announcement.
You have more leica at home than my local leica store xD
Lol - like that comment, thanks :)
Be funny if that was how leicas were packaged!
:)
You probably had this camera for months already
Let's say, I had the camera quite some time before the announcement :)
Yes, but in a special P way 😂
:)
Sucks aluminium