Tarp workshop lesson #1. Using stakes, guylines, tie outs with or without hardware
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Note, this is still the original Better Tarp Pitching #1 video, but under a different name to pair with #2 and #3. Improve your tarp and tent technique by learning a quick system for tie outs and guylines, using things like these: amzn.to/31OLjVT and a minimalist system for shaving off even more grams and going ultralight.
Video begins with explanation why you should tension your tarp and not stake it directly into the ground.
From • Tarp workshop lesson #... Quick rigging system, using line locks and guyline runners
From • Tarp workshop lesson #... Simple rigging system that uses only knots, no hardware, for even lighter weight and minimalism.
From • Tarp workshop lesson #... Some handy bonus tricks
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I make sure to return here once a year or so. So many videos out there have 4k-footage, perfect cut and the audio is on point... but there is nothing in them. Unlike yours. I love everything about it!
Best source on the web on flat tarp technique, bar none. Much appreciated.
Thanks a lot, your enthousiasm is also much appreciated. Kind regards Papa hiker
Thank You.An excellent and instructive series.
Great videos once again, very informative.
excellent and very clear demonstration
You are the Master.....!!!! Thanks for taking tarps to the next level.....😮😯😄
Brilliant just starting out using a tarp setup instead of a tent your videos are a fantastic source of information thanks for sharing
Hello Peter, that is good to hear, good luck with the tarp, it is a very fun way to camp. Bye! Papa hiker
Thank you papa Hiker your videos are always apriciated.
Much love from Tahiti🏝
Hey thanks! Papa hiker
Thank you papa hiker!
Good advise, verry helpful!
Thanks Robert!
Really Great video, Thanks!
Thanks cider 999!
Thanks...i definitely learned a few things!
thanks Swift. I was planning to do part 2, ummmm, two years ago :-)
This video is a "broedgebied" of cool tricks and techniques - thanks very much! :o)
Hahaha! The "broedgebied" in the region of Rotterdam, South Holland was quiet at the time of recording (fall), but very busy right now.
Good job!
Thank you!
Thank you! This is a great video! You are inspiring me to get out and camp with a tarp! All the best, Scott
Hello Scott, Great, give it a try! I find it more rewarding than tent camping. With the right pitches and technique it is also as safe, and with a headnet also mosquito-free haha. Kind regards Papa hiker
Great ideas and tips! Thank you!
Papa Hiker, you're the best!
Thanks a lot!
Very good!
Thanks!
You're always the best source :) the thing I took from this is the tarp may be lifted even if a small amount but it's the ground sheet in theory which would keep the wind from whicking heat. It makes total sense to adjust the bottom tie outs, make it all taught and level :)
Hey Cleveland explorer! Yes, that is a great take-away from this video. Also I believe that a little breeze in your shelter is not the enemy. Sure makes it a little colder but also means that you wake up drier.
Kind regards Papa hiker
Toffe video, thanks!
Hey Djoca,
Dankje man!
Thanks Great video!!
Thank you Bill!
Thank you Bill!
Hey papa, I have tarp camp for many years, I've never thought of using carbiners. I simply leave my guy lines tied to the tarp utilizing a slipknot and then adjusters at the stake end. That way I can easily rig my tarp pitched closely to the ground or let it float up higher for ventilation and I can also adjust it from either end of the rope which is handy in a big storm. I have reached from underneath the tarp while it's raining and been able to adjust the slip knot to tighten or lower the tarp. Thank you for sharing
Hey Ghost dog, that sounds like you use the second system I use, the simple system. It is a big plus to not be so dependent on gear.
Have a great time, papa hiker
The trick to the taut line hitch is to set it up so that when you attach the line you want the loop at about the half way point so you have equal lengths of adjustments on each end, just a little practice here goes a long way, have used this method in Gale force winds during a tropical storm with no problems at all, with equal adjustable lengths on both sides of loop cold weather should not be a problem either because any adjustment is just plain easier this way with gloves or without, no need to fight the line near the ground this way, a matter of technique more than anything else.The gripper hitch works well too especially because just by adding an extra wrap or 2 you can add to the security of the grip.
An excellent video! You have a perfect balance of talking & doing & do not over-explain things. Perfect! Have you ever brought your tarps to Scotland?
Thanks Hugh! Sorry for a late reply. Well, I went to Scotland with my familly last easter. A great little cabin in the Cairngorms, but no camping. It was still snowing a little, the rivers were too cold for salmon/trout, but we had a great time and enjoyed the surroundings. Promised ourselves to return! Did take my new dd xl tarp for playing with. I really like that tarp size, will post videos soon. See you, Papa hiker
Papa hiker You really need to come in May/June or September. Easter is too late for the winter & spring had barely begun but the colours explode in May. October can be amazing for autumn colours but the weather is even more hit & miss than the rest of the year.
Awesome video! I find I keep coming back for more inspiration and insight from you. Your videos are a tremendous help to me. A question about the guy lines you use, on average how long are they?
Hey Bud, sorry for the late reply! They are three ft, or 90 cm. Use dyneema core 2 mm cord and it will be durable and hardly even show up on your scale. Kind regards Papa hiker.
Hey Bud, sorry for the late reply! They are three ft, or 90 cm. Use dyneema core 2 mm cord and it will be durable and hardly even show up on your scale. Kind regards Papa hiker.
Papa hiker you’re good! Thanks for the reply! Stay safe my friend
Hey bud! Can you do a video using a hammock tarp with doors? I think a hammock tarp with doors can have a lot of configurations. But your the expert 👍🏼👍🏼
Hey Rafael,
That is best done with a large rectangular tarp. I will see if I can do a video! Kind regards, Papa hiker
Great content Papa hiker, i'm learning a lot with your videos!!. Do you use tyvek as groundsheet ?
Hello Manuel,
Thanks a lot! Yes, I like tyvek a lot as ground sheet, even if it is not fully waterproof. On my next winter camping trip I will also take it for snow camping. Kind regards Papa hiker
How would you anchor on rock bed? Or would you take a free standing tent?
@Papahiker, I'm new to your channel. I was wondering, have done a gear list video? I was interested in your (line locks) I believe that's what you referred to them as, here in the States we have a (snail type) line tensioner. They work great but the line lock you have; has a more compact design. Plus they look cooler, thanks and I appreciate your videos sir!!!
Hello I repair! very sorry to get back to you so late. The line tensioners I use are sometimes sown directly on tarps that are available in the US, but yes, it seems they are hard to find. BUT, I found this set that has a lot of items in it that I like, including the tensioners. It is here (commission link) amzn.to/31OLjVT
and I will also place that link in the video description. have a very nice day!
Papa hiker
Hey Papa Hiker! Thank you so much for all your great, informative videos on tarp setups! I have a question for you if you're able to help with it.......I'm new to this whole tarp camping thing but recently bought a 9x9 silnylon tarp and have gone out a few times - only in fair weather. I haven't tried it in a storm yet. What I'm wondering is...what do you do so that in a serious downpour, the rain doesn't flow through on the ground where you are sleeping? Seems the rain will hit the sides of the tarp, flow down to the ground, then run downhill and, no matter how the tarp is set, it seems it would flow through the sleeping area somehow. What's the very best setup for keeping dry in a downpour and how do you set it up so that no rain flows through the sleeping area?? Thanks again Papa Hiker!
Hi John! The tarp is like the outer shell of a double layer backpacking tent. Underneath you will need something that fits the circumstances. For example a bivvy bag, or a ground sheet. Selecting a smart place to pitch is even more important though. This takes practice and attention. Good luck, papa hiker
Hey papa hiker, complimenten voor je films. Waar bestel je die line locks? Engeland?
hoi Kapiteinkarnok! bij extremtextil in Duitsland, google maar. fijne dingen hoor! groeten papa hiker
Tnx for the tip, grtz
10:46 Larks head knot (loop) - used in fly fishing to attach the leader to the weighted line ⛺️👍
Ha, excellent! And thanks for providing the name
Papa hiker no worries, thanks for making content worth watching😎👍👏👏👏
Do you recommend a square or rectangular tarp. Great videos!
Hi Leparulo, If you really don’t know, start with a 3*3 meter, or 10*10 ft!
Kind regards, Papa hiker
An adjustible grip hitch or taut line hitch would do wonders for those tie-outs so that they could be easily adjusted without moving any stakes or untying any knots.
Hi Matt, yes, you got it. That’s what the quick system and the simple system are for: adjustable tie-outs. If you want to adjust without knots go for the quick system, it beats a taut line hitch. Kind regards Papa hiker
Absolutely. I think an adjustable grip hitch works better than the taut line hitch too. I like your quick system, and just noting that there are other ways to make the quick system without using some of the hardware.
I had to google the adjustable grip hitch :-)But yes, that looks good: you tie them at home and leave them in for the entirety of the trip. Also, if one of the line locks breaks you could do one to replace it. In my video's I try to avoid advanced stuff, to keep the threshold low, but this sure seems worth a try! My earlier comment seems kinda snooty, reading it back. Kind regards, Papa hiker
No worries, I did not interpret it as snooty at all! And you got it...you are taking the guy out rope anyway, so a small amount of work on the front end at home and it eliminates a little bit of hardware. The hardware works, especially if you are trying to keep it simple, but I've learned that the knowledge of the knots never fails when a piece of equipment might. I appreciate that you are trying to keep it simple to make the barrier of entry easier for people getting into tarping. That is actually what attracted me to your videos as I recently made the switch from a tent to a tarp. I watched a bunch of your tarp setup videos and the simplicity with which you presented them ultimately made a big difference to me. I can't believe I never switched earlier--the tarp setups are cheaper, lighter, more versatile, quicker, and larger than tent setups. I hope my comment about the adjustable grip hitch helps those who might be thinking about making a similar switch. All the best!
Hi Papa Hiker - Sorry if you've already answered this along the way... Are you able to tell me what length of cord you recommend to cut for making your tie outs and guy lines that gives you enough rope but not excess weight. Many thanks - Such a useful set of videos. Jon in Australia.
Hi Jon! For the tie-outs I recommend 3 foot or 95 cm, 2mm dyneema core cord. It weighs nothing, works with the line locks and is super strong and durable. For the guylines I like to take pretty long ones, I take 2 of them that are 3 meter or 10 ft long. That is far too long for some applications, but in case you want to tie off to a tree that is just a bit far away, or it is hard to find good ground, that bit of reach is nice.
Good luck! Papa hiker
@@papahiker9014 Thanks very much. I'll make them up at those lengths and see how I go!
Sorry Papa,
I am feeling unsure. I desperately want to use a tarp. I have 3x3 DD.
If you’re expecting stormy weather in the mountains can I use a tarp. Do I then dispense with guys and peg directly to the ground. Am I right in thinking no wind should be getting under the tarp and using it like a sail.
Using guys as in this video should be used in finer weather.
Thanks 🔥
Hey Kenneth, I answered your question in the comments section of my latest video!
Kind regards, papa hiker
What knot do you use on the small length of cord used from the carabiner to the line loc? Thxs!
Hey David G, it is a flat knot. Kind regards, papa hiker
Papa hiker thx you!
Dag papa hiker,
Waar kampeer je met je tarps? Wildkamperen mag toch niet in NL?
Hoi Arjan,
In Nederland en België op paalkampeerplekken. Onze favoriet is Strijbeekse heide, maar er zijn nog veel meer mooie.
Nu bushcraft en wildkamperen in Nederland steeds populairder wordt worden de plekken wel duidelijk drukker.
Google maar! Groeten, Papa hiker
@@papahiker9014 Dankjewel. Interessant, hoor
You are a doctor of tarpology and I must ask you a question, did it ever happen to you that some insect got in to your ear while tarp camping ?
Haha grizzly country that is a funny question. No it never happened to me. I usually sleep with a hoodie over my ears so they can't reach there. In heavy mozzie situation I sleep with a head net. But emmm... you?
@@papahiker9014 No, but I don't have as much experience with tarp camping, as you do.
None of those knots make the guy line immediately adjustable without having the knot untied. So I wonder why you didn't show anything like the taut line hitch? I use them all the time and they have never slipped on me so far, also they're easier to adjust and release than the slippery half hitch plus (if you don't pull the loose end all the way through but leave a loop for quick release).
Hey Freija, thanks for your comment! There are a couple of reasons. The first is I think the taut line hitch is harder to do with cold fingers. Also the taut line hitch is easily adjustable, but the reach is not unlimited. When you tension and reach the end of the guyline and it is still no good, you still need to untie the other end and retie to the correct position. I'm just the kind of klutz that this happens to. :-) The third reason is a matter of taste: my quick system is a little heavier but super easy to use. If I'm not taking that but the simple system, then I want it to be really minimalistic and the finnicky taut line hitch just doesn't feel right. Well... this is just personal opinion of course. Kind regards! Papa hiker
Thank you for your response! All totally valid points. I've also had trouble with it in winter; it was not feasible with thick gloves or mitts, nor with freezing fingers. And I regularly stumble upon the limitations of their reach as well. There is nearly always a solution, but it quickly gets finicky as you say. I guess the taut line hitch is a fine option for some people, in decent weather, and when you can find a good spot for your tarp with the possibility to stake out just about anywhere, but if not, there are so many other options out there. As goes for tarps, the possibilities are really infinite! :)
Instead of LINE LOCKS, why not save weight with a TAUT LINE HITCH? You might lose a line lock, but you can never lose knowledge.
Hey Urban Sherpa, but is’t that what the second part of the video is for? Kind regards papa hiker
Only do this if you really love mosquitos, bugs and especially in the netherlands, slugs (naaktslakken ugh) walking all over you...
Hey Sayuas, ah, a good inducement for explaining that the video's show the pitching of the tarp, that is the outer layer of the system. Just like the outer tent of a double wall backpacking tent. On the inside of the tarp you can choose something to fit the circumstances: only a ground sheet (for example in winter), a bivvy bag, ground sheet combined with a mosquito head net, a full inner or a bug net inner. Or sometimes nothing at all, like on the beach where only a sleeping mat is just fine.I once had a very succesful autumn trip where I used only a ground sheet and the mosquito's didn't bother me, but on one of the nights I sadly pitched in a spider celebration, to wake up in the morning and find slugs in my cooking pot. Blegh.Kind regards Papa hiker
How do you pitch one of these on the beach where there are no trees? Using a hiking pole?
Hey Sayuas, yes, on a beach with no sticks (only in Holland) etc you would pitch with a hiking pole, or paddle if you’re kayaking. And snow pegs or rocks.
Thanks for the interesting video ! But... the always repeating 4 s. long "music" is boring me as hell ! ;)
Hey Klod Petrovic, yeah it is kind of hard to pick good right free music for instructional videos. I have found better options now, but I'm thinking about recording my own... this is no guarantee for quality.