I will be the first to admit that the current sculpts sold as minis by GW are arguably the best they've ever done, but there is something about the old 80s/90s stuff that has been lost over time, and that is character. They just ooze so much character that the modern stuff is almost sterile in comparison. Maybe im just too old and nostalgic
The new sculpts are just TOO perfect. Whereas the traditional sculpts of the 80s, 90s, and early 00s still have that imperfect hand sculpted charm to them. The technical proficiency and technology of today is phenomenal, but it can produce some sterile looking models.
No I agree, not only are the new sculpts often excessively detailed with fiddly bits of very limited value to the model and then everything ends up near perfect if not entirely perfect in symmetry and repeating shape across models - which just makes them less 'real'. Then there is the subject matter - some time in the 2000's maybe into 2010's all the whimsy and fun details go away in the quest for every more dull, repetitive legions. No halfling hotpot etc.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 The keys on the new Bretonnian duke come to mind. Nearly bent mine irreparably when I was putting together the damn Pegasus. I prefer 90s-80s sculpts because they have a few details here and there, but are a dream to paint once you get going.
They're perfect for it. Especially given that Colonel Schaeffer worked with the Inquisition, so they could easily have been made Imperial Agents available to work with any Imperial force (and, y'know, sell more minis). Shame that's probably not on the cards though.
@@Del_S old Games Workshop would have had articles on how to integrate them into Kill Team. Going back through old Citadel Journal and White Dwarf magazines it’s remarkable how soulless GW now is and how little they encourage creativity from the hobby.
@@rrwholloway Yeah. Terrain is a great example. "Here's how we built this cool hive city" versus "here's the kits you buy to build this cool hive city". Like if Blue Peter turned around thirty years later and just put a QR code to buy a Tracey Island playset off Amazon on screen.
Fun Fact: The Warp Spiders are the oldest (Both for the Eldar and Wh40k as a whole) that is still sold today (albeit in the finecast version mentioned)
I know Azrael and Ezekiel came with new metal banners when they were rerelased in the 4th edition, was there a sculpted, unreleased banner for Asmodai as well?
Because the halfling hotpot got a made-to-order a few years ago I'm almost certain it'll be included in the Empire Arcane Journal. War wagon would also be very cool. There's a couple of the WH Quest characters I don't own models for. I'd love to get the wardancer and witch hunter to complete my collection. I have the cards, just not the minis.
1:10 The moment when I realise that the man making this video is probably younger than me. I need a moment. Also, please don't call it 'white metal'. It's pewter. It's always been pewter.
They should re-release all of the old chaos champions; but I'd never be able to afford them since they're selling stuff on the made to order higher than the gouger prices on Ebay for the originals.
The Slaanesh champion is a Jez Goodwin sculpt. I think they'll re-release a number of his chaos champions as made to order. They're iconic, nostalgic, still look good with more modern minis and are still in demand. I can't think of any other chaos minis that are better bets for re-release. Also: LE1 Motley Maniac the Death Jester. Also: Speciality Set 2: Dwarf Kings Court - Corbit Shortstuff, Gnome Jester (a Two Ronnies reference no doubt)...
Bringing back Inquisitor as a single purchase set-box game might not make Space Hulk money, but I think it would survive slightly longer than Imperialis, and probably show up actually being played in game stores more often.
Corbitt Shortstuff, wasn't it? Now that's going back to an age of myth, when your bismuth-rich miniatures looked like they'd been belched from the heart of an eldritch volcano.
In terms of jesters, there is Mordheim fellow with the peg legs and crutches, various in the Carnival of Chaos, and of course Luthor the hunchback has some clown features. One of my free company units has all of them, a few hunchback dregs, various Mordheim mob and a couple of Vespero's duellists. Makes a nice circus troupe with a stagecoach unit filler.
My top 5: - Original 'Necron Raiders', especially the Immortals. - Last Chancers - Original Tanith metal guardsmen - The original "unarmoured" Custodes - Gotrek and Felix (probably their 2nd versions) I have almost all of the above anyway. But they go for so much for newer people, it'd be nice to screw over the scalpers.
Hell yeah, would love to get my hands on the DoW heroes. Got most of the regiments of renown already, but the named heroes are harder to get a hold of.
That was super cool they brought that mini back. I have been loving the trips down memory lane that their MTO has given. I picked up a copy plus some of the other foot knights…most packs even came with 1992 plastic shields in addition to the metal ones. Hope they do bring the elf ranger when high elves come along
If GW actually do this, how many banks would I have to rob? In fact, screw it. I'm breaking into GW next week. Italian job style. I'll replace the 3 mini coopers with land speeders. But remember, your only supposed to plasma cannon the bloody doors off.
Imagine that, actual paying people want the old game back, not this AoS stuff. Even the computer games use the old models and old style formations. Maybe they are starting to see the error in their ways of making Warhammer Fantasy and 40k for the lowest common denominator instead of keeping their most successful rules sets for OVER 25 YEARS. Instead they try to make it more "accessible" by adding twenty-five tons of bleh rules and "Stategems" that no one will ever remember. Good job GW, over-correct by not only making a new game that alienates old players, but is so stupid and complex that new players need 4-5 books to play their own army. All the while referencing online errata.
OMG...the day GW Mail Order called me to ask if I would like a war wagon for * insert ridiculous low sum of money even in 1997/98 * with my current order. Good ol' days. 😂
For fantasy, I just loved the Marienburg landship, I would definitely buy that if it was re released, My 2 favourite ever minis were the first two Terminator Inquisitors, If I ever get good at 3d modelling, they will be the first models I upscale to the new 40k scale.
Who cares about the packaging a reprint would come in? The bit you want is to have that nostalgic fun mini, not a pile of faux-retro packaging to dump into your pile of shame! Edit: Plus if they are going to bring the old world back just bring back the entire lot officially - why no Dark Elves etc. I can accept no boxed starter kits that offer better value for this more niche product (especially as the second hand market and our existing collections mean most of us probably don't want a starter kit anyway). But just reissuing the old mini's is almost free of cost to them, especially if the moulds are still good...
I still a full set of those 1991 Jes Godwin marine sculpts. (primed only) I was never brave enough to try paint them. The 1991 captain with Termie honours is one of my lieutenants.
Models were so much more interesting and artistically pleasing back then. I miss going into the bookstore or hobby/crafts and shopping the warhammer section. Those models were so good. now it's just boring... plastic.
I just love the old 80s and 90s models, maybe because that's when I started. The new ones while more detailed, are more like small painted statues meant for display than play. I think the new Aelves sculpts suffer the most from this, so many small fragile parts that I can barely move them on a shelf without them breaking.
I'd love to see GW re do Man-O-War. I had a really good chaos fleet back in the day and every weekend I'd travel over to another town because we didn't have a GW at the time to play it on their specialy made sea board with islands and coves to block LOS .Those were the days.
I miss Epic games, such a great scale and game - we had some truly epic battles back in the day! The Eldar titans were amazing models, as were the Ork Gargants.
the orc warlord and orc shaman from warhammer quest lair of the orc lord have a proud place in my army. And i love all the other metal models produced for this game
I treated myself to the blue and red back catalogues recently off ebay, both in perfect condition for £30. I noticed there's a green one too but not sure what's in it? Any ideas?! I'm colleting vintage skaven (partly for Advaned Heroquest) and probably going to bankrupt myself by recollecting all the minis I has in early 1990s. I convinced my mum to front a a months plus pocket money for the War Waggon as soon as it came out in W.D. I remember just how fustrating that thing was to attempt to put together - and I failed miserably! The Snotling Pump Waggon was more sucesfull and still want to re-purachace one today when $ allows. Lovely video as always!!
That two headed lord of change was an absolute masterpiece. Most of the choices are, but the lord of change was one of the first minis i ever got as a child. mmmm the nostalgia....
If you're coming down to Salute, be sure to check out Force of Virtue. I'm helping run that booth, and I love your content. It'd be great to see you there!
Started playing with Rogue Trader rules. All 5 of my armies are from late 80's and early 90's. Space Marines, Imperial Guards, Eldar, Ork, and Harliquinn.
No way near enough to be even considered Oldhammer, but what I hope eventually comes back is Grumlock & Gazbag from the Warhammer Online collector's edition. I have one, and I think with The Old World many people might want the model for a unique model for their Greenskins.
I still field a good number of minis from that time. When minis didn't have a 400% markup, no fomo, each codex had new material and art, and WD wasn't just a 15 page ad book.
Those are all nice choices. GW has released some very charming models in their days. My top 10 is probably all made up of the late 80's Chaos champions. I pick some up here and there every now and then and they're still some of the most delightful things that the company has ever made. Not that I would complain about some 80's Greater Daemons, though. I have one original Lord of Change and would happily take more. The pterodactyl head is fun but the twin head and the skeletal heads have their points too.
NGL, my dreams have come true with the Marauder Giant and Wyvern coming back soon. I lost my original ones from the 90's so to have them back is all the hobby keen I need for another 33 years of hobby keen
I fully expected to disagree with everything you were wishlisting, but I have to admit that I had forgotten about the freelance knight. As a fan of Don Quixote de la Mancha, I have always loved this mini and have forgotten about it for nearly 20 years until now. I realized that I need it back in my collection.
Man, I never quite appreciated how tall the Plague Tower actually was. Looks like it got right up there with the Warlord titan in some of those shots, so a modern, 40k scale one would have to be absolutely enormous.
I will be the first to admit that the current sculpts sold as minis by GW are arguably the best they've ever done, but there is something about the old 80s/90s stuff that has been lost over time, and that is character. They just ooze so much character that the modern stuff is almost sterile in comparison. Maybe im just too old and nostalgic
Nah, I feel the same way about the 90s and 80s models
I agree, but a lot of the 80s/90s Fantasy minis are new to me. I think it is more than just nostalgia, as I have none.
The new sculpts are just TOO perfect. Whereas the traditional sculpts of the 80s, 90s, and early 00s still have that imperfect hand sculpted charm to them. The technical proficiency and technology of today is phenomenal, but it can produce some sterile looking models.
No I agree, not only are the new sculpts often excessively detailed with fiddly bits of very limited value to the model and then everything ends up near perfect if not entirely perfect in symmetry and repeating shape across models - which just makes them less 'real'. Then there is the subject matter - some time in the 2000's maybe into 2010's all the whimsy and fun details go away in the quest for every more dull, repetitive legions. No halfling hotpot etc.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 The keys on the new Bretonnian duke come to mind. Nearly bent mine irreparably when I was putting together the damn Pegasus.
I prefer 90s-80s sculpts because they have a few details here and there, but are a dream to paint once you get going.
"Like an MP choosing their favourite dogging spot." 😅
Unbridled sarcasm at its best!
Quote of the year 😂
They need to re-release the full set of the Last Chancers as a Kill Team.
They're perfect for it. Especially given that Colonel Schaeffer worked with the Inquisition, so they could easily have been made Imperial Agents available to work with any Imperial force (and, y'know, sell more minis). Shame that's probably not on the cards though.
@@Del_S old Games Workshop would have had articles on how to integrate them into Kill Team. Going back through old Citadel Journal and White Dwarf magazines it’s remarkable how soulless GW now is and how little they encourage creativity from the hobby.
@@rrwholloway Yeah. Terrain is a great example. "Here's how we built this cool hive city" versus "here's the kits you buy to build this cool hive city". Like if Blue Peter turned around thirty years later and just put a QR code to buy a Tracey Island playset off Amazon on screen.
I'm currently planning a last chancers project. The necromunda hive scum are a great kit for the base troopers
@DMKA94 I'm planning to use them as bases for some Savlar Chemdogs.
Fun Fact: The Warp Spiders are the oldest (Both for the Eldar and Wh40k as a whole) that is still sold today (albeit in the finecast version mentioned)
They used siege towers against the walls of the Imperial Palace. The Plague Tower must be what they were describing.
Or that's what evolved into the first Plague Towers.
Metal asmodai with that obscure metal banner.
I know Azrael and Ezekiel came with new metal banners when they were rerelased in the 4th edition, was there a sculpted, unreleased banner for Asmodai as well?
@@VampyyriSanttu yes. It’s almost impossible to get.
@@VampyyriSanttu www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Asmodai.jpg
Because the halfling hotpot got a made-to-order a few years ago I'm almost certain it'll be included in the Empire Arcane Journal. War wagon would also be very cool.
There's a couple of the WH Quest characters I don't own models for. I'd love to get the wardancer and witch hunter to complete my collection. I have the cards, just not the minis.
Pogo stick touting Blood Bowl star player Scrappa Sorehead also counts as a jester model, to my mind
Both versions...
If GW redid the Realms of Chaos Renegades, it would be a license to empty my bank account!
the fucking warp spider bit aahahahahahaha
Wot, no wood elf wardancers? Ya know, the good Jes Goodwin ones......
I really love those old Noise Marines with the guitar guns instead of the boring and ugly sonic blasters. I hope they come back
Also, an authentic Teclis-in-blister should come with both sword and staff already bent almost to the point of breaking.
1:10 The moment when I realise that the man making this video is probably younger than me.
I need a moment.
Also, please don't call it 'white metal'. It's pewter. It's always been pewter.
Haha, I had the exact same thought! Greybeards unite, eh?
A stunning model is the Bretonnian Questing Knight from Warhammer Quest
They should re-release all of the old chaos champions; but I'd never be able to afford them since they're selling stuff on the made to order higher than the gouger prices on Ebay for the originals.
Mordheim Carnival of Chaos Jester Nurglings is the only thing I can think of
The Slaanesh champion is a Jez Goodwin sculpt. I think they'll re-release a number of his chaos champions as made to order. They're iconic, nostalgic, still look good with more modern minis and are still in demand. I can't think of any other chaos minis that are better bets for re-release.
Also: LE1 Motley Maniac the Death Jester. Also: Speciality Set 2: Dwarf Kings Court - Corbit Shortstuff, Gnome Jester (a Two Ronnies reference no doubt)...
If Older demon and Jordan Sorcery uploading within the same hour isn't the eternal fight between light and dark I don't know what is
I still have my old battered copy of WD188 with the Nurgle plague engines, they were a formative memory!
I want the old Bone Giant with the Carmen Miranda fruit head.
I have recently picked up an old metal warpspider from my local gameshop and it was super fun to paint it
Another thing that’s not very likely would be the 54mm miniatures from the inquisitor game. Would love to complete my collection of those.
Bringing back Inquisitor as a single purchase set-box game might not make Space Hulk money, but I think it would survive slightly longer than Imperialis, and probably show up actually being played in game stores more often.
I’d like to see Blood Bath at Orcs Drift make an appearance some time in the future.
There was a jester in the Dwarf king speciality box also.......
Corbitt Shortstuff, wasn't it? Now that's going back to an age of myth, when your bismuth-rich miniatures looked like they'd been belched from the heart of an eldritch volcano.
2:27 - ...Gosh darnit, the urge to buy a copy of EVERYTHING related to ye olde Warhammer Quest is rising again!
In terms of jesters, there is Mordheim fellow with the peg legs and crutches, various in the Carnival of Chaos, and of course Luthor the hunchback has some clown features.
One of my free company units has all of them, a few hunchback dregs, various Mordheim mob and a couple of Vespero's duellists. Makes a nice circus troupe with a stagecoach unit filler.
My top 5:
- Original 'Necron Raiders', especially the Immortals.
- Last Chancers
- Original Tanith metal guardsmen
- The original "unarmoured" Custodes
- Gotrek and Felix (probably their 2nd versions)
I have almost all of the above anyway. But they go for so much for newer people, it'd be nice to screw over the scalpers.
Pre-normie Warhammer was the GOAT.
You’ve earned my subscription!!! Love the video!!! Keep talking about old hammer!!!
OMG the nostalgia is amazing, thanks so much
They don't use the white boxes anymore. Now it's a generic black box with some faded art of AoS and 40k characters.
That's my old ultramarine captain there! Now a wordbearer.
Dogs of War would make me happy.
Hell yeah, would love to get my hands on the DoW heroes. Got most of the regiments of renown already, but the named heroes are harder to get a hold of.
I remember using the hotpots at a golden daemon games day! Loved them!
There's probably copyright issues involved, but the first WH40K miniature that caught my attention was the "Geordi LaForge" space marine scout...
I’ll take three of each please
the bretonian knight for WHQ came out on made to order, so i think the elf ranger is coming!
That was super cool they brought that mini back. I have been loving the trips down memory lane that their MTO has given. I picked up a copy plus some of the other foot knights…most packs even came with 1992 plastic shields in addition to the metal ones. Hope they do bring the elf ranger when high elves come along
@@Svengar totally agree...i really wanna get the knights of the realm mounted and a lord on royal pegasus
If GW actually do this, how many banks would I have to rob? In fact, screw it. I'm breaking into GW next week. Italian job style. I'll replace the 3 mini coopers with land speeders. But remember, your only supposed to plasma cannon the bloody doors off.
Imagine that, actual paying people want the old game back, not this AoS stuff. Even the computer games use the old models and old style formations. Maybe they are starting to see the error in their ways of making Warhammer Fantasy and 40k for the lowest common denominator instead of keeping their most successful rules sets for OVER 25 YEARS.
Instead they try to make it more "accessible" by adding twenty-five tons of bleh rules and "Stategems" that no one will ever remember. Good job GW, over-correct by not only making a new game that alienates old players, but is so stupid and complex that new players need 4-5 books to play their own army. All the while referencing online errata.
If they remake the original Snotling Pump Wagon I will be getting some. And I don't play Orcs or Goblins.
OMG...the day GW Mail Order called me to ask if I would like a war wagon for * insert ridiculous low sum of money even in 1997/98 * with my current order. Good ol' days. 😂
For fantasy, I just loved the Marienburg landship, I would definitely buy that if it was re released, My 2 favourite ever minis were the first two Terminator Inquisitors, If I ever get good at 3d modelling, they will be the first models I upscale to the new 40k scale.
Who cares about the packaging a reprint would come in? The bit you want is to have that nostalgic fun mini, not a pile of faux-retro packaging to dump into your pile of shame!
Edit: Plus if they are going to bring the old world back just bring back the entire lot officially - why no Dark Elves etc. I can accept no boxed starter kits that offer better value for this more niche product (especially as the second hand market and our existing collections mean most of us probably don't want a starter kit anyway). But just reissuing the old mini's is almost free of cost to them, especially if the moulds are still good...
I'd love them to redo some of the old Mordheim models, like the unique monsters, the Carnival of Chaos cart, and that beautiful Clan Skryre Rat Ogre.
I still a full set of those 1991 Jes Godwin marine sculpts. (primed only) I was never brave enough to try paint them.
The 1991 captain with Termie honours is one of my lieutenants.
Models were so much more interesting and artistically pleasing back then. I miss going into the bookstore or hobby/crafts and shopping the warhammer section. Those models were so good. now it's just boring... plastic.
I’ve got a Hotpot somewhere sans chef; I used him for my Halfling BB team.
I want the Juan Diaz daemon prince re released. I have one but had to do a ton of fixes to it.
Also the old metal Mk8 marines
I just love the old 80s and 90s models, maybe because that's when I started. The new ones while more detailed, are more like small painted statues meant for display than play. I think the new Aelves sculpts suffer the most from this, so many small fragile parts that I can barely move them on a shelf without them breaking.
This is so good I tried to subscribe again!
Leave the snotlings alone! They've got shock attack guns to worry about.
Hot pot is class!
Lots of these old sculpts look just like the citadel miniatures sculpts from Mutant Chronicles
I used to love the old Terminators and the Undead Champion from the Nightmare Legion set.
I'd love to see GW re do Man-O-War. I had a really good chaos fleet back in the day and every weekend I'd travel over to another town because we didn't have a GW at the time to play it on their specialy made sea board with islands and coves to block LOS .Those were the days.
Are they Going top rerelease high elves Form old world? I dient Heard any about IT?
I miss Epic games, such a great scale and game - we had some truly epic battles back in the day! The Eldar titans were amazing models, as were the Ork Gargants.
For me I'd love to see the old metal grave guard, Reiksguard foot knights and all of the classic juan diaz demons return
If you're going to have a list of jesters, you can't leave out the LE1 Death Jester / Motley Maniac.
i have the eldar warp spiders and the exarch unpainted, the champ of Slaanesh was a Jes Goodwin design i think
I want the Juan Diaz Daemonette Models back. They were the best ones.
The old world made to order miniatures have been packed in their own bespoke boxes/blisters.
They should re-release the old Epic Pink Horror to have a Brimstone Horrors more appropriate to the style of the time.
LOL i am so glad i kept all my marines before they changed to plastic.
Definetly do a Blood Angels HQ! Raldoron would be really cool!
the orc warlord and orc shaman from warhammer quest lair of the orc lord have a proud place in my army. And i love all the other metal models produced for this game
Wait what? Warhammer Quest Slayer will be released again? Where the hell did they said that and how could I miss it?
I so bought the space marine captain, my best painted model for ever
I just realized how much I miss the smell of pewter filled blisters.
Bring back the old (round 2nd ed) Eldar War Walker.
Dont have to watch the vid. The answer is simple. Yes! There are 3d printers so we can have this old mini.
I prefer the old models but I'm aghast at the new prices!
as for the jester models, there was a chaos jester in the citadel compendiums
Jess Goodwin laid a golden egg that GW recycled to poop 💩💀
Didn't know they did those old traitors on made to order. These made to order windows are to short.
For me
it's the old genestealer range
bring back the limo
There was a Bad Moon Weirdboy with jester hat, wasn't there?
With the new cities of sigmar range, a modern war wagon can't be far off.
Warp spiders ? What do you mean, eldar units are brand new lol
The Warp Spiders are still the current minis...
But Olden, Sloppity Bilepiper is the best Jester.
I had that thumbnailed SM captain once upon a time. 😢
Is there a way to be notified for new Made to Order rereleases?
Arbal the Undefeated and Aekold Helbrass
I treated myself to the blue and red back catalogues recently off ebay, both in perfect condition for £30. I noticed there's a green one too but not sure what's in it? Any ideas?! I'm colleting vintage skaven (partly for Advaned Heroquest) and probably going to bankrupt myself by recollecting all the minis I has in early 1990s. I convinced my mum to front a a months plus pocket money for the War Waggon as soon as it came out in W.D. I remember just how fustrating that thing was to attempt to put together - and I failed miserably! The Snotling Pump Waggon was more sucesfull and still want to re-purachace one today when $ allows. Lovely video as always!!
There is a black one as well, I’m not sure what they’ve got inside but Stuff Of Legend might have an idea
That two headed lord of change was an absolute masterpiece. Most of the choices are, but the lord of change was one of the first minis i ever got as a child. mmmm the nostalgia....
Still my favorite GW model.
If you're coming down to Salute, be sure to check out Force of Virtue. I'm helping run that booth, and I love your content. It'd be great to see you there!
I’ll pop over
What a trip to the memorylane!
Bishopstoke represent!
5:56 Lego does this on sets that are more hobby dollor effect then anything GW makes... Even on free Gift with purchase and Insider rewards stets.
Re-release the warp spiders?
Started playing with Rogue Trader rules. All 5 of my armies are from late 80's and early 90's.
Space Marines, Imperial Guards, Eldar, Ork, and Harliquinn.
No way near enough to be even considered Oldhammer, but what I hope eventually comes back is Grumlock & Gazbag from the Warhammer Online collector's edition. I have one, and I think with The Old World many people might want the model for a unique model for their Greenskins.
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I still field a good number of minis from that time. When minis didn't have a 400% markup, no fomo, each codex had new material and art, and WD wasn't just a 15 page ad book.
Those are all nice choices. GW has released some very charming models in their days. My top 10 is probably all made up of the late 80's Chaos champions. I pick some up here and there every now and then and they're still some of the most delightful things that the company has ever made.
Not that I would complain about some 80's Greater Daemons, though. I have one original Lord of Change and would happily take more. The pterodactyl head is fun but the twin head and the skeletal heads have their points too.
NGL, my dreams have come true with the Marauder Giant and Wyvern coming back soon. I lost my original ones from the 90's so to have them back is all the hobby keen I need for another 33 years of hobby keen
Another great video! The warhammer quest line had some fantastic sculpts.
I fully expected to disagree with everything you were wishlisting, but I have to admit that I had forgotten about the freelance knight. As a fan of Don Quixote de la Mancha, I have always loved this mini and have forgotten about it for nearly 20 years until now. I realized that I need it back in my collection.
Man, I never quite appreciated how tall the Plague Tower actually was. Looks like it got right up there with the Warlord titan in some of those shots, so a modern, 40k scale one would have to be absolutely enormous.