1000% as a musician myself, I could've stayed at home cried myself to death how music wouldn't have paid the bills. Instead I went out and learned a trade; learned something that people would actually pay for. People need to grow the fuck up.
i was personally a bit skeptical about the chuggaaconroy thing because of the inconsistencies and lack of context, but at least people had a reason to be upset about that. THIS, however? this is just a bunch of blue-hair, chronically-online, mentally-challenged teenage artists throwing a hissy fit because they feel like ai will affect their $40 commissions that look like a literal monkey drew them
The issue isn't with AI's being used for art. The issue is that it's not AI it's machine learning. And the images used to teach the program is copyrighted. But artists do not get compensation for a program using their artwork to learn. If you write a song and another person reinterprets it they have to PAY you for it. So why isn't it the same for artists? There are multile lawsuites right now in the US lead primarily by the Times about exactly this copyright infringement. If you want to use something to teach your program then fucking pay a licensing fee.
Do THOSE Artist "compensate" all the Artists They Looked/Learned at through their Lives that allowed them to then from that develop their styles of Art? NO well then...
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Oh man ...... if you teach someone the fundamentals of art they will improve regardless if they take inspiration from other artist or not ( provided they actually work for it) do other artists influence an artists art style, sure they do but you do not need a constant supply of fresh art to get better. Till Ai can learn from itself and learn from Ai produced work its just a shitty grift.
"Artist opinions don't matter." In a sense they don't. People will either pay you for your art or they won't. No one cares about your opinion only the product you provide. Especially gamers. We don't care about the small stuff. We want a good game. If AI generates it, why should I care? As an artist you need to step up your game. Create things that AI can't.
The ethical issue here is that where the AI art is coming from. Ai learns of the work of others, copies it, and adapts it. So the ethical argument comes in wherr AI art is taking work of artists manipulating it, reproducing it, and then taking the work without any kickback going to the artist that the AI is copying.... I have no idea where I fall on the issue, but wanted to provide a deeper context behind the ethical arguments and issues that are being addressed
@@Chaosmech I partly agree with you, I think if the model was trained solely on a single artist's style they definitely should pay the artist. However if the model was trained on random images all over the internet for a specific topic then no.
@@kosenshin7990 You know that out of random images all over the internet you can easily reproduce single artist's artstyle by simply using his name in prompt? You know that there are thousands and thousands paid models based on single artist's work and people(like Asmon) don't care? Pandora box has been already opened
I am an artist. AI will not impact us as bad as many think. Yes, it will harm the voncrpt artists for a major game studio. But people who commission me do so for the human element. And those who dont who will use AI will never comission me. My business is going up, not down. Never mind this is all pointless. You cant stop it, its open source. The only way yo stem it is if every nation agrees and civilians dont pursue it or companies. This isnt possible on any of those levels. The genie is out the bottle.
What is controversial? it comes down to money and rich people wanting to make money will absolutely use A.I. and not just for art. That is why those in the field have described it as akin to the nuclear bomb in its impact.
AI is inevitable and people need to realize that. If you refuse to use AI, you're going to be left in the dust, and if you rely solely on AI, you're going to be on the same level as anyone else. The best artists (or any other profession being taken over by AI) are going to be the ones who use AI to streamline their processes and then go in and revise it to be better.
Blue, you're right. The issue is most of us artist charge too much for our product. And some products arent worth 10 bucks. It's that simple. A good artist will always find clientele. Too many bas artists and not enough lovers of that "style."
Im drawing for over 15 years, there is no chance in hell we can keep up with AI. Its infinitely faster than me, and its insanely hard to grow as artist in any platform. Quantity over quality, nobody gives a shit if you only finish a drawing once a month, you are better off for settling with a simpler art style but post daily or weekly, thats how you grow. I did a drawing marathon where i posted dayli for a month, my last illustration gave me almost the same follower numbers as page 1-15 combined, its exponential growth. If you grind, you will get there. And yes, you have to learn the basics like everyone else and that takes a ton of time, actively drawing... staring at a page does not count as actively drawing. It takes a few 1000 pages of practice to get good. How is it that so many people are so out of touch... Now this will hurt some people but... just because you can draw like a 5 year old doesnt mean its considered good art. and the vast majority of artists that i have met over the years, have some sort of issue that is holding them back, like holding onto ugly styles, unable to learn and/ or grow, unable to learn a different style and so on. I was able to guide some people, but most people have huge egos and cant take criticism, or lack the will to grow. They rather spend time mindlessly drawing raindrops then to learn a new skill or grow a skill.
Totally agreed, AI hurts but also could be a tool, I'm an artist too and like you said, I found lot of ppl complaining about AI comparing with their own work, here as you said they aren't trying to improve, they have been drawing like a 5yo and still don't try to improve more cause they are depressed, I found my own style and took me lot of time, because of that, ppl consumes my art. But yes being an artist is not easy is really hard. What I don't like about lot of artist is that they asked me "how do you get to many commission you are new" "how you can draw like this in few time" tons of those questions, and i asked them "how long do you stay drawing when you start a pic? What do you do to keep drawing?" And they usually say "i draw for about 1h and then i play videogames" KAPPA... AI will be over tons of artist, and if you dont do the things well, if you don't attract ppl to then with the art their are developing, so that doesn't matter cause no one will pay for a shitty art... Cruel truth... I wanted to say, when i met the AI i got lot of stress and disappointed of being an artist, but then i changed my mind, i said "AI can make a masterpiece in seconds, so i would do a masterpiece AI cant replicate it" that moved me forward to get my style and thanks god it looks pretty good, it's not the best, but at least ppl can recognize is a original design, they love it, and they pay for it. So yes artist opinion doesn't matter if no one will buy you a shit... Hurts yes but that's the truth... At the end the costumers will pay for what they really want, not because you are begging to feed your kids. Have a nice day my favorite bald man! Keep up!
i think the main reason the artists opinion on ai doesnt matter is simply becouse ai, is not an artist , its just a tool that can potentialy make great art, it wont matter what anyone says, if its good people will like it, its allready good enough that i see it all over social media even my mom sends me stuff that is probably ai generated and she doesnt even know, its one of those things where people refuse to accept it and in 1-2 generations later its the normal nobody will think about
99% of complains about AI is not about AI itself, but about datasets with copyright art and model training. Digital artists opinion doesn't matter because it's easier to target small creator than big music producer - yes, ai music is not here because of copyright laws. Models could be easily created based on opt-in, public domain, voluntary art, but as you said - artists opinion on ai doesnt matter
The labor theory of value is silly. I'm not a good baker, but I can follow a recipe (somebody else's recipe) and make a decent cookie. Somebody who's actually skilled, who's actually good at baking, can take the same ingredients, the same time, and make something that's way better tasting, more artful, etc. Just because I put the same time into it as the master baker, doesn't mean it's worth the same.
I am sure it will matter when we have AI content creators. Whatever your next statement is going to be, remember what artist were saying a few years ago.
We already do and he makes 10 weeks worth of videos complaining about their massive platforms and the kind of misinformation and harm that comes from them. this is just weird cope from people who cant draw and want thumbnails without paying for commissions.
One of my favorite scp youtubers made a video complaining about the onset of ai generated scp channels. i didnt care and i figured he was just scared of competition. that was until those ai channels started serving hot slop every couple hours, terrible videos with terrible quality and terrible writing. at some point these people will be affected and the petty benefits they are reaping wont be worth it. then theyll care. until then, you cannot Beg people to care about something other than themselves.
I think both Asmon and Blue missed the point of why artists hate AI-generated art: It's based on stolen property. The art itself is good, but it only got so good because it essentially plagiarized a huge dataset of existing art from artists - and the kicker; without their consent. So, now the machine is putting not just BAD artists out of business, but the EXCELLENT ones as well, due to the high quality and low effort/time. Of course, many artists and activists are not actually making this point. They hate everything AI-art, because in their eyes "the robots took our jooobs", which is not true for a vast majority of those spewing hatred towards Asmon. Those iditos were never going to live off of it. But people like Artgerm (whose work is very easily spotted in ai art), is losing massively on this trend. But there is definitely a point missed there. Both of you are right that the subjective value is the bottom-line. But I think you're missing the broader point of the art production of these generative AI's, are essentially stolen property, used to kill the original creators livelihood by stealing their work and essentially being able to reproduce it quicker. This point doesn't really come across on Twitter, because so many mouthbreathers on there can't produce a comprehensive sentence for their life, and only knows how to hurl insults. I don't do any real art. But as a aspiring programmer, I can totally understand the sentiment, as the same is essentially being done to our field. But imo, pandora's box has been opened, there is no going back. Accept it and adapt. It sucks, but it might bring new opportunities. Fighting it is a lost cause, so go with the flow on this one.
Everything based on something, nowdays math is based on 20th century math, so what? Artists learn on other works too, and nobody complain about that. They use the same colors. Without strict law it's all nonsense.
Genuinely curious. Do artists not learn from huge datasets of other artists work without their consent? These artists gain inspiration and are influenced even if subconsciously by their work and yet no credit nor money is sent to the artists whos features or techniques they "stole" from. Kind of seems like an invalid or irrelevant point imo. Also if some artists basically trace or copy other artists for their living (which has happened obviously). Sure there can be community backlash if/when found out but nothing changes the fact they can still be heavily inspired by another artist and make money off of it. If humans use the same uncredited or unpaid datasets as well as directly trace other artists' in come cases, what is the big deal if AI does it too? are we concerned that thief's(artists tracing or copying a style 1 to 1) are not making a living?
@@frenchgucho I heard this before and yes I agree with you but the point is after a couple years artist developed his own idea and style. when you copy another artist's work/s as a copyright rule you should mention the name of that artist but when you steal it from that artist he will sue you. For an AI-generated version, you can not do the same thing cause AI uses your work tweaks it a little bit, and sell it. Just imagine the story of the lord of the Rings and the names and facial faces of the all characters change but the story is the same, could they do it? the answer is yes, should they do it??? The point is who could stop them from doing these sorts of things?
You Realize that ALL ART is also "Stolen"..nobody who is an Artist today grew up Alone on an Island with No TV, Radio, Books, school, and or Internet. WE all grow up watching and listening to Thousands if not Millions of Outside pre existing images and sounds that we then Take Mishmash and make out own stuff with but NONE of it is actually 1 of a Kind ART ( In other words there is nothing else in the world that is similar to it). That All these Ai do is look at thousands/Millions of images and then mix and match them up into what they have learned is "ART".
we need more AI art imo. It's so randomly beautiful, but has far more meaning to me than a fucking can of soup by Andy Warhol or some splashes of paint on a canvas by some other "renowned" artist.
AI art still need to feed datasets with new (stolen or not) images from artists. If you care about AI art future then you should care about the foundation
@@anagram4042I hate to be a doomer, but this kid doesn't give an F. They just want their cool shit right now and don't care how much of a dystopia awaits them.
At a macroeconomic level these technological developments, from AI art to automatic burger makers, increase the productive output of society. The important long-term effect of this is that these increases in total economic output should increase the quality of living for the average person in that society. The end result of automation should not be to leave people out of work, but rather make it easier for every member of society to meet their basic needs more easily, and to have more time to pursue meaningful activities of interest, like grinding in circles. As a side note, there is also an ethical difference between AI mass-generating art without replicating an individual artist's specific style to impersonate them (which happens, but clearly isn't what Asmongold is talking about), and the suggestion to have AI generated content specifically impersonate Asmongold to subvert his particular style of content, as the twitter commenter proposes.
"Women are much better as creative thinkers". I think men excel at single role tasks, women tend to want greater work/life balance and that is part genetic as they are designed to give birth and it doesn't suit that function to be a single task kind of person. It is far more common for a man to throw everything into one task or role, like being a CEO, it is harder for women as they have other priorities. Take chess for an example, the highest ranked female player, Hou Yifan, is the second highest ranked female chess player of all time is currently ranked 128 in the world when you combine genders. She has been interviewed numerous times about why there is such a huge gap between female and male chess players despite it not being a physical sport and she gives a very nuanced take on it and genetics does play a part in everything we do, be it a physical sport, being creative, etc. It doesn't make men better, biologically speaking men are more disposable than women and better suited to performing certain functions at the expense of everything else.
In reality, he's right, artists can scream and shout all we want but exactly what is that going to change? Some people will use it some people won't, you have the option to support artists or turn to AI. Everyone has a choice and you absolutely can't control what people do. Hell, what was that union for actors and scriptwriters that had that strike? AG-something (?), after all that noise they made, they turned to AI. It says a lot doesn't it? People are stuck WISHING that the world will bend to their ideals when in reality, it moves for none. But anyway, the Palword drama isn't really about 'alleged' AI usage
While it’s true the screen actors and writers strike did indeed end with the adaptation of AI into the industry. The big difference is they fought to make sure everyone gets compensated for use of their likeness and downright shut it down in the writing aspect of it all. Another important factor to include is the fact that without the unions, the big movie companies would have cut them all out and gone exclusively AI. I personally feel that this just bought these people more time to transition out of the industry, but that’s just me.
@@cryptidian3530Yes. I think if anything, it should be an incentive to strive for improvement. If some very very talented artists can still be in demand, it means that it isn't an impossible situation.
This is also the same when you call yourself "I'm a Good Person". But is it really? What does people think about you? Do you really think other people think that you're a "Good Person"?
He's right but there's a way to say imply it without belittling other people. It doesnt matter if its an artist or not but it never feels good to hear that your opinions doesn't matter especially if its in a work environment.
im not fanboying at all but you cannot cancel asmon because he literally doesnt give a single fuck. he will make another 40 minute video out of this whole tweet thread, films himself laughing his ass off and moves on.
"it doesn't matter" - it depends on what you mean by "matter". it probably doesn't really affect the bottom line financially, yeah. but the author's opinion is an interesting opinion. and yes, many people buy "worse" artists' art. people often buy things from specific artists because they care about their story. the quality of the product isn't the only metric. or another way to look at it is that the art itself isn't the only product that can be sold. hence why people give a shit about mediocre streamers with middling takes, like asmondgold. parasocial relationships are actually extremely important to culture. it isn't always "pity bucks". they actually give a shit about that particular artist. let's not succumb fully to the capitalist definition of what has value. let's not succumb fully to the abstraction of people who appreciate art being a "consumer". it's a model that has some predictive power, but that doesn't make it the full truth. culture determines value, and money isn't a perfect metric of that.
I'm an artist. If you don't put in the time to create better or more inspired art, you don't deserve to be paid more than an artist or AI that creates more polished products. Yes, it can take money out of people's pockets but no AI can generate what hasn't been created enough times for it to have assimilated that data. AI is entirely locked behind what we create first - if you don't deserve someone's money in their eyes, you won't get their fucking money. Get over it.
Asmon should of made an analogy with “steamers” instead of the marvel director. It would make him seem more understanding because it’s his industry. It could have helped the haters understand his point more. ** I typed that before getting to 4:00 mins but wanted to keep because you literally did that 😂😂 hope it makes someone laugh.
I am a 3D Artist and what he said is a Truth. Asmond is a bit harsh but not FALSE. Most of us are angry at Corpos who used or stole our works. most of us don't have a problem with AI cause it speeds up the workflow but steal artwork from an Artist who spends hours to create and a little tweak with AI and sells it to you as a consumer to reduce the cost and more profit This is the problem we have. at the end AI will replace all of us not just the artist but artists would be the first race who disappear from the face of the earth just like the horse replaced by the car. consumer makes the rule. Hope no one gets angry at me ;) we have a phrase that says "Truth hurts"
No they didn't. Go to Asmongold TV, there's an Enshrouded video posted a day ago and a nearly-three-hour Enshouded video uploaded two hours prior to my comment.
The market decides value, no one else. There are moralist spenders who like to give money to artists so they can feel good in return but this is an extreme minority
It's all just capitalism and it's flawed systems converging on an incredibly lazy video game. Kinda impressive neither of you addressed that. Consumerism isn't the only law to the universe. I can imagine framing everything in the context of money is easier. But man, just more lazy takes.
Easiest way Blue all companies begg for u to leave a nice review so others will want to buy product because no matter how good they think it is if consumer doesn't it doesn't matter ..Simple
as an artist I absolutely agree with Asmon's words. no one will buy your product if it's bad and even if you ask them (lol wat) so I'm agree with you, guys! btw, your video was some kind a motivation for me as well, thank you 💖
The funny thing is that asmon literally talked about how his editors will just use his ai to make him say shit he never did and upload the video and he doesn't really care
if you are an "artist" and ai can make better stuff than you maybe, just maybe it means you gotta work more on your skills. It's the same argument of paper vs digital with "real artists" saying with a pc it's easier... no it means you are worse than the competition. Look at music Ed Sheeran had to bring to a judge a list of 500 songs with the same chords to get out. If it's a person doing it it's called inspiration but if a computer does it it's stealing. If you can't make it as an artist yet it means you have to work harder not that someone/something stole your job.
I'm shocked that a bunch of artists (a demographic well-known for their Star Trek Vulcan-esque emotional control) got mad. Oh wait. That was sarcasm. The outrage over "AI Gonna Steal our Jerbs!" is so sad. It is the buggy whip parable all over again. Throughout human history, the "starving artist" has always been a thing. Because no matter how much of their soul they put into their work, that doesn't mean other people think it is worth it. That's why the people who sponsored artists were usually religious organizations, government, and wealthy merchants with money to burn. Is it culturally important? sure. But that doesn't mean most people are willing to pay for it. On the AI deepfake Asmongold... people have done it. He thought it was hilarious.
In terms of how AI will take the jobs of artists fully if not partially, I have felt very jaded with modern video games so here's the way I see it. They haven't given us a single reason to care about their problems. If AI can get the job done cheaper and better then an artist can then them's the brakes. I don't feel like it is my responsibility to care and listen to people bitch and moan about having their jobs replaced when currently they can't even do their jobs effectively.
100% good take. Asmon is right, and your response was spot on, Blue. I think some people are also misinterpreting "artists opinions dont matter." to mean that if youre an artist then your opinion on anything doesnt matter and youre a lesser person because of it. In reality, he is only talking about their opinion of their own product and not their opinion on anything and everything, but based on some peoples reaction they are taking it that way. However, he isnt wrong. As an artist you shouldnt have an opinion on your own art, at least not a forward facing opinion. A humble artist will create their work and strive for continuous self improvement. If they think they create amazing art and anyone who doesnt agree with their opinion of their own art is wrong, then they are only exposing themselves as being entitled, narcissistic and prideful. So anyone that is calling out Asmon for this is essentially defending this kind of behavior and they are the ones that have no ethics or morals.
tbf to Asmond, artists' opinions don't matter. It doesn't matter if, in your opinion, you can only draw 20 frames a day. The studio will still demand 250 per day.
Funny thing, there is no tool AI our not that can make 3D models for you. Even if you see it, its fake. As someone that worked in games and 3D when i see people thinking its AI shows me they know shit about it..
Though I enjoy Asmons content. He does speak with such convictions on things he has no idea about, but that’s not the case in this scenario. People just don’t want to stomach the sad truth of it all.
and mind you, most modern artistry borrows from centuries old styles and theories and none of those people in the ground are crying for credit on new designs/concepts that clearly exhibit those same art styles. Hot hot take, nobody wants to get a real job. Nobody is honest. And because honesty comes with the risk of offending somebody, these "artists" are robbed from the brutal truth that they have work that really isn't all that good and they SHOULD pursue an alternative career.
@@cic3000That's not an apt comparison. Machines are much better at calculations and learning, while people have to study those styles for possibly years and still won't produce the EXACT same style, instead most will develop their own styles alongside of a study of various styles while machines can get very close to the same result in much less time.Tracing though is different matter. But yes, art is not a sustainable job because it's a luxury much like entertainment, to be able to buy commissions means you can afford that luxury. Many so called artists produce work that is labelled fancily, take 'abstract', by painting random shapes with random colors and call it their art. That being said, some are very talented such as the guy who did Magic: the gathering cards for Wotc for so many years, but given the amazing work he does, even he is confident that he would not be short of work. These 'artists' as you say, will be
@@crypterion_moonit is an apt comparison. Because any time technology advances in any field of work, people in those related fields lose their jobs like clockwork because there simply isn't a need for their continued services. And this is no different.
@@cic3000 You were comparing people having to study old art styles to develop their skills to machines learning them as if they were the same thing. So no, that is not, an apt comparison
It's not necessarily visually "better" than some artist it's just wayyy cheaper. Like a 400 dollar commission for 1 drawing vs 10 dollar ai generator with 1000s of pics
This is just such an obvious truth everyone should have learned by 8th grade. How his take is even controversial is truly mind-boggling. If the internet manifested itself into physical form, it would be a thirsty 12 year old male cry bully.
1000% as a musician myself, I could've stayed at home cried myself to death how music wouldn't have paid the bills. Instead I went out and learned a trade; learned something that people would actually pay for. People need to grow the fuck up.
i was personally a bit skeptical about the chuggaaconroy thing because of the inconsistencies and lack of context, but at least people had a reason to be upset about that.
THIS, however? this is just a bunch of blue-hair, chronically-online, mentally-challenged teenage artists throwing a hissy fit because they feel like ai will affect their $40 commissions that look like a literal monkey drew them
The issue isn't with AI's being used for art. The issue is that it's not AI it's machine learning. And the images used to teach the program is copyrighted. But artists do not get compensation for a program using their artwork to learn. If you write a song and another person reinterprets it they have to PAY you for it. So why isn't it the same for artists? There are multile lawsuites right now in the US lead primarily by the Times about exactly this copyright infringement. If you want to use something to teach your program then fucking pay a licensing fee.
Do THOSE Artist "compensate" all the Artists They Looked/Learned at through their Lives that allowed them to then from that develop their styles of Art? NO well then...
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Oh man ...... if you teach someone the fundamentals of art they will improve regardless if they take inspiration from other artist or not ( provided they actually work for it) do other artists influence an artists art style, sure they do but you do not need a constant supply of fresh art to get better. Till Ai can learn from itself and learn from Ai produced work its just a shitty grift.
I just love how this guy openly admitted that he said artists work were so bad he didnt care about their family
Thats like saying horse draw cart makers' opinions matter when they say the automobile is bad.
"Artist opinions don't matter." In a sense they don't. People will either pay you for your art or they won't. No one cares about your opinion only the product you provide. Especially gamers. We don't care about the small stuff. We want a good game. If AI generates it, why should I care? As an artist you need to step up your game. Create things that AI can't.
The ethical issue here is that where the AI art is coming from. Ai learns of the work of others, copies it, and adapts it. So the ethical argument comes in wherr AI art is taking work of artists manipulating it, reproducing it, and then taking the work without any kickback going to the artist that the AI is copying.... I have no idea where I fall on the issue, but wanted to provide a deeper context behind the ethical arguments and issues that are being addressed
I think if AI art is producing money, the art used to train it should get a small percentage of it.
@@Chaosmech I partly agree with you, I think if the model was trained solely on a single artist's style they definitely should pay the artist.
However if the model was trained on random images all over the internet for a specific topic then no.
@@kosenshin7990 You know that out of random images all over the internet you can easily reproduce single artist's artstyle by simply using his name in prompt? You know that there are thousands and thousands paid models based on single artist's work and people(like Asmon) don't care? Pandora box has been already opened
And when other artists are "inspired" by someone else's art....how do you call that?
I am an artist. AI will not impact us as bad as many think. Yes, it will harm the voncrpt artists for a major game studio. But people who commission me do so for the human element. And those who dont who will use AI will never comission me. My business is going up, not down. Never mind this is all pointless. You cant stop it, its open source. The only way yo stem it is if every nation agrees and civilians dont pursue it or companies. This isnt possible on any of those levels. The genie is out the bottle.
He was so right about this point that I totally missed the controversy part of this
What is controversial? it comes down to money and rich people wanting to make money will absolutely use A.I. and not just for art. That is why those in the field have described it as akin to the nuclear bomb in its impact.
AI is inevitable and people need to realize that. If you refuse to use AI, you're going to be left in the dust, and if you rely solely on AI, you're going to be on the same level as anyone else. The best artists (or any other profession being taken over by AI) are going to be the ones who use AI to streamline their processes and then go in and revise it to be better.
Blue, you're right. The issue is most of us artist charge too much for our product. And some products arent worth 10 bucks. It's that simple. A good artist will always find clientele. Too many bas artists and not enough lovers of that "style."
Im drawing for over 15 years, there is no chance in hell we can keep up with AI. Its infinitely faster than me, and its insanely hard to grow as artist in any platform. Quantity over quality, nobody gives a shit if you only finish a drawing once a month, you are better off for settling with a simpler art style but post daily or weekly, thats how you grow.
I did a drawing marathon where i posted dayli for a month, my last illustration gave me almost the same follower numbers as page 1-15 combined, its exponential growth. If you grind, you will get there.
And yes, you have to learn the basics like everyone else and that takes a ton of time, actively drawing... staring at a page does not count as actively drawing. It takes a few 1000 pages of practice to get good. How is it that so many people are so out of touch...
Now this will hurt some people but... just because you can draw like a 5 year old doesnt mean its considered good art. and the vast majority of artists that i have met over the years, have some sort of issue that is holding them back, like holding onto ugly styles, unable to learn and/ or grow, unable to learn a different style and so on.
I was able to guide some people, but most people have huge egos and cant take criticism, or lack the will to grow. They rather spend time mindlessly drawing raindrops then to learn a new skill or grow a skill.
Totally agreed, AI hurts but also could be a tool, I'm an artist too and like you said, I found lot of ppl complaining about AI comparing with their own work, here as you said they aren't trying to improve, they have been drawing like a 5yo and still don't try to improve more cause they are depressed, I found my own style and took me lot of time, because of that, ppl consumes my art. But yes being an artist is not easy is really hard.
What I don't like about lot of artist is that they asked me "how do you get to many commission you are new" "how you can draw like this in few time" tons of those questions, and i asked them "how long do you stay drawing when you start a pic? What do you do to keep drawing?" And they usually say "i draw for about 1h and then i play videogames" KAPPA...
AI will be over tons of artist, and if you dont do the things well, if you don't attract ppl to then with the art their are developing, so that doesn't matter cause no one will pay for a shitty art... Cruel truth...
I wanted to say, when i met the AI i got lot of stress and disappointed of being an artist, but then i changed my mind, i said "AI can make a masterpiece in seconds, so i would do a masterpiece AI cant replicate it" that moved me forward to get my style and thanks god it looks pretty good, it's not the best, but at least ppl can recognize is a original design, they love it, and they pay for it. So yes artist opinion doesn't matter if no one will buy you a shit... Hurts yes but that's the truth... At the end the costumers will pay for what they really want, not because you are begging to feed your kids.
Have a nice day my favorite bald man! Keep up!
i think the main reason the artists opinion on ai doesnt matter is simply becouse ai, is not an artist , its just a tool that can potentialy make great art, it wont matter what anyone says, if its good people will like it, its allready good enough that i see it all over social media even my mom sends me stuff that is probably ai generated and she doesnt even know, its one of those things where people refuse to accept it and in 1-2 generations later its the normal nobody will think about
99% of complains about AI is not about AI itself, but about datasets with copyright art and model training. Digital artists opinion doesn't matter because it's easier to target small creator than big music producer - yes, ai music is not here because of copyright laws. Models could be easily created based on opt-in, public domain, voluntary art, but as you said - artists opinion on ai doesnt matter
@@anagram4042 its just a tool in the end, artists will use it as well, they already are, i think photoshop has some ai stuff in it
The labor theory of value is silly. I'm not a good baker, but I can follow a recipe (somebody else's recipe) and make a decent cookie. Somebody who's actually skilled, who's actually good at baking, can take the same ingredients, the same time, and make something that's way better tasting, more artful, etc. Just because I put the same time into it as the master baker, doesn't mean it's worth the same.
I always felt that AI drawings are like a dj remixing different songs together.
ALL ART is Derivative , it all comes from multiple outside sources that then get mishmashed by a human Artist...which is what the Ai is doing anyways!
I am sure it will matter when we have AI content creators. Whatever your next statement is going to be, remember what artist were saying a few years ago.
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We already do and he makes 10 weeks worth of videos complaining about their massive platforms and the kind of misinformation and harm that comes from them. this is just weird cope from people who cant draw and want thumbnails without paying for commissions.
One of my favorite scp youtubers made a video complaining about the onset of ai generated scp channels. i didnt care and i figured he was just scared of competition. that was until those ai channels started serving hot slop every couple hours, terrible videos with terrible quality and terrible writing. at some point these people will be affected and the petty benefits they are reaping wont be worth it. then theyll care. until then, you cannot Beg people to care about something other than themselves.
Asmon is an idiot.
When are you people going to understand Twitter is not a real place?
This video motivates me to get better at drawing bald people
I think both Asmon and Blue missed the point of why artists hate AI-generated art: It's based on stolen property.
The art itself is good, but it only got so good because it essentially plagiarized a huge dataset of existing art from artists - and the kicker; without their consent.
So, now the machine is putting not just BAD artists out of business, but the EXCELLENT ones as well, due to the high quality and low effort/time.
Of course, many artists and activists are not actually making this point. They hate everything AI-art, because in their eyes "the robots took our jooobs", which is not true for a vast majority of those spewing hatred towards Asmon. Those iditos were never going to live off of it. But people like Artgerm (whose work is very easily spotted in ai art), is losing massively on this trend.
But there is definitely a point missed there. Both of you are right that the subjective value is the bottom-line. But I think you're missing the broader point of the art production of these generative AI's, are essentially stolen property, used to kill the original creators livelihood by stealing their work and essentially being able to reproduce it quicker. This point doesn't really come across on Twitter, because so many mouthbreathers on there can't produce a comprehensive sentence for their life, and only knows how to hurl insults.
I don't do any real art. But as a aspiring programmer, I can totally understand the sentiment, as the same is essentially being done to our field. But imo, pandora's box has been opened, there is no going back. Accept it and adapt. It sucks, but it might bring new opportunities. Fighting it is a lost cause, so go with the flow on this one.
Everything based on something, nowdays math is based on 20th century math, so what? Artists learn on other works too, and nobody complain about that. They use the same colors. Without strict law it's all nonsense.
Exactly. you said it right man.
Genuinely curious.
Do artists not learn from huge datasets of other artists work without their consent? These artists gain inspiration and are influenced even if subconsciously by their work and yet no credit nor money is sent to the artists whos features or techniques they "stole" from. Kind of seems like an invalid or irrelevant point imo. Also if some artists basically trace or copy other artists for their living (which has happened obviously). Sure there can be community backlash if/when found out but nothing changes the fact they can still be heavily inspired by another artist and make money off of it. If humans use the same uncredited or unpaid datasets as well as directly trace other artists' in come cases, what is the big deal if AI does it too? are we concerned that thief's(artists tracing or copying a style 1 to 1) are not making a living?
@@frenchgucho I heard this before and yes I agree with you but the point is after a couple years artist developed his own idea and style. when you copy another artist's work/s as a copyright rule you should mention the name of that artist but when you steal it from that artist he will sue you. For an AI-generated version, you can not do the same thing cause AI uses your work tweaks it a little bit, and sell it. Just imagine the story of the lord of the Rings and the names and facial faces of the all characters change but the story is the same, could they do it? the answer is yes, should they do it??? The point is who could stop them from doing these sorts of things?
You Realize that ALL ART is also "Stolen"..nobody who is an Artist today grew up Alone on an Island with No TV, Radio, Books, school, and or Internet. WE all grow up watching and listening to Thousands if not Millions of Outside pre existing images and sounds that we then Take Mishmash and make out own stuff with but NONE of it is actually 1 of a Kind ART ( In other words there is nothing else in the world that is similar to it). That All these Ai do is look at thousands/Millions of images and then mix and match them up into what they have learned is "ART".
lmao he did not lie I don't give one solitary fuck about how artists feel about AI art
we need more AI art imo. It's so randomly beautiful, but has far more meaning to me than a fucking can of soup by Andy Warhol or some splashes of paint on a canvas by some other "renowned" artist.
AI art still need to feed datasets with new (stolen or not) images from artists. If you care about AI art future then you should care about the foundation
Lol and I'm sure they don't give a solitary fuck about your opinion either. Not like you've ever bought art anyway.
@@anagram4042I hate to be a doomer, but this kid doesn't give an F. They just want their cool shit right now and don't care how much of a dystopia awaits them.
At a macroeconomic level these technological developments, from AI art to automatic burger makers, increase the productive output of society. The important long-term effect of this is that these increases in total economic output should increase the quality of living for the average person in that society. The end result of automation should not be to leave people out of work, but rather make it easier for every member of society to meet their basic needs more easily, and to have more time to pursue meaningful activities of interest, like grinding in circles.
As a side note, there is also an ethical difference between AI mass-generating art without replicating an individual artist's specific style to impersonate them (which happens, but clearly isn't what Asmongold is talking about), and the suggestion to have AI generated content specifically impersonate Asmongold to subvert his particular style of content, as the twitter commenter proposes.
"Women are much better as creative thinkers". I think men excel at single role tasks, women tend to want greater work/life balance and that is part genetic as they are designed to give birth and it doesn't suit that function to be a single task kind of person. It is far more common for a man to throw everything into one task or role, like being a CEO, it is harder for women as they have other priorities.
Take chess for an example, the highest ranked female player, Hou Yifan, is the second highest ranked female chess player of all time is currently ranked 128 in the world when you combine genders. She has been interviewed numerous times about why there is such a huge gap between female and male chess players despite it not being a physical sport and she gives a very nuanced take on it and genetics does play a part in everything we do, be it a physical sport, being creative, etc. It doesn't make men better, biologically speaking men are more disposable than women and better suited to performing certain functions at the expense of everything else.
In reality, he's right, artists can scream and shout all we want but exactly what is that going to change? Some people will use it some people won't, you have the option to support artists or turn to AI. Everyone has a choice and you absolutely can't control what people do. Hell, what was that union for actors and scriptwriters that had that strike? AG-something (?), after all that noise they made, they turned to AI. It says a lot doesn't it? People are stuck WISHING that the world will bend to their ideals when in reality, it moves for none.
But anyway, the Palword drama isn't really about 'alleged' AI usage
While it’s true the screen actors and writers strike did indeed end with the adaptation of AI into the industry. The big difference is they fought to make sure everyone gets compensated for use of their likeness and downright shut it down in the writing aspect of it all. Another important factor to include is the fact that without the unions, the big movie companies would have cut them all out and gone exclusively AI. I personally feel that this just bought these people more time to transition out of the industry, but that’s just me.
Yeah, all artists can do is market themselves better and make their art desirable.
@@cryptidian3530Yes. I think if anything, it should be an incentive to strive for improvement. If some very very talented artists can still be in demand, it means that it isn't an impossible situation.
This is also the same when you call yourself "I'm a Good Person".
But is it really? What does people think about you? Do you really think other people think that you're a "Good Person"?
He's right but there's a way to say imply it without belittling other people. It doesnt matter if its an artist or not but it never feels good to hear that your opinions doesn't matter especially if its in a work environment.
That doesn't sound like its his problem... It's a you problem
@@marcioabreu1150 never said it was, my point is that he's right but the way he said it wasn't.
"Canceled" is kind of a Joke when it comes to Asmon , he thrives on this stuff and makes content out of it.
im not fanboying at all but you cannot cancel asmon because he literally doesnt give a single fuck. he will make another 40 minute video out of this whole tweet thread, films himself laughing his ass off and moves on.
"it doesn't matter" - it depends on what you mean by "matter".
it probably doesn't really affect the bottom line financially, yeah. but the author's opinion is an interesting opinion.
and yes, many people buy "worse" artists' art. people often buy things from specific artists because they care about their story. the quality of the product isn't the only metric. or another way to look at it is that the art itself isn't the only product that can be sold. hence why people give a shit about mediocre streamers with middling takes, like asmondgold. parasocial relationships are actually extremely important to culture. it isn't always "pity bucks". they actually give a shit about that particular artist.
let's not succumb fully to the capitalist definition of what has value. let's not succumb fully to the abstraction of people who appreciate art being a "consumer". it's a model that has some predictive power, but that doesn't make it the full truth. culture determines value, and money isn't a perfect metric of that.
I'm an artist. If you don't put in the time to create better or more inspired art, you don't deserve to be paid more than an artist or AI that creates more polished products. Yes, it can take money out of people's pockets but no AI can generate what hasn't been created enough times for it to have assimilated that data. AI is entirely locked behind what we create first - if you don't deserve someone's money in their eyes, you won't get their fucking money. Get over it.
Asmon should of made an analogy with “steamers” instead of the marvel director. It would make him seem more understanding because it’s his industry. It could have helped the haters understand his point more.
** I typed that before getting to 4:00 mins but wanted to keep because you literally did that 😂😂 hope it makes someone laugh.
thank you for bringing up the Artists constantly messaging cringey stuff on twitter LMAO. I couldn't believe the severity of it.
I was worried you were going to react to the 2 hours video of Asmongold arguing with chat for a minute.
I was worried Blue would do 15 minute long reaction to a 1 minute clip.... Oh wait.
I am a 3D Artist and what he said is a Truth. Asmond is a bit harsh but not FALSE. Most of us are angry at Corpos who used or stole our works. most of us don't have a problem with AI cause it speeds up the workflow but steal artwork from an Artist who spends hours to create and a little tweak with AI and sells it to you as a consumer to reduce the cost and more profit This is the problem we have. at the end AI will replace all of us not just the artist but artists would be the first race who disappear from the face of the earth just like the horse replaced by the car. consumer makes the rule. Hope no one gets angry at me ;) we have a phrase that says "Truth hurts"
Asmon speaks the hard truth and getting canceled lmfao
‘People didn’t like my take I’m being cANcELlLEd’
This shit is even more tiresome than the idiots on twitter.
The only reason you think that is because you are an idiot on twitter. Also i want to let you know that its 2024, nobody writes ''lIkE tHiS'' anymore.
btw RUclips just took down his latest vid about enshrouded down lol .. youtube facisim at its best.
No they didn't. Go to Asmongold TV, there's an Enshrouded video posted a day ago and a nearly-three-hour Enshouded video uploaded two hours prior to my comment.
@@channingtaintum it was taken down 5 hours ago
@@channingtaintum it was one who was uploaded today, around a hour before my comment.
You don't need to pause every 10s and word salad the same things over and over again.
Asmon is on a roll with cancelleds from all these literal who coattail riders
The market decides value, no one else. There are moralist spenders who like to give money to artists so they can feel good in return but this is an extreme minority
omg ty for not caving to the woke mob!!! these ppl dont live in reality!
It's all just capitalism and it's flawed systems converging on an incredibly lazy video game. Kinda impressive neither of you addressed that.
Consumerism isn't the only law to the universe. I can imagine framing everything in the context of money is easier. But man, just more lazy takes.
Most people are just to soft for others opinions
Easiest way Blue all companies begg for u to leave a nice review so others will want to buy product because no matter how good they think it is if consumer doesn't it doesn't matter ..Simple
as an artist I absolutely agree with Asmon's words. no one will buy your product if it's bad and even if you ask them (lol wat)
so I'm agree with you, guys! btw, your video was some kind a motivation for me as well, thank you 💖
The funny thing is that asmon literally talked about how his editors will just use his ai to make him say shit he never did and upload the video and he doesn't really care
Lol they deleted their twitter
if you are an "artist" and ai can make better stuff than you maybe, just maybe it means you gotta work more on your skills. It's the same argument of paper vs digital with "real artists" saying with a pc it's easier... no it means you are worse than the competition. Look at music Ed Sheeran had to bring to a judge a list of 500 songs with the same chords to get out. If it's a person doing it it's called inspiration but if a computer does it it's stealing. If you can't make it as an artist yet it means you have to work harder not that someone/something stole your job.
I'm shocked that a bunch of artists (a demographic well-known for their Star Trek Vulcan-esque emotional control) got mad. Oh wait. That was sarcasm.
The outrage over "AI Gonna Steal our Jerbs!" is so sad. It is the buggy whip parable all over again.
Throughout human history, the "starving artist" has always been a thing. Because no matter how much of their soul they put into their work, that doesn't mean other people think it is worth it. That's why the people who sponsored artists were usually religious organizations, government, and wealthy merchants with money to burn.
Is it culturally important? sure. But that doesn't mean most people are willing to pay for it.
On the AI deepfake Asmongold... people have done it. He thought it was hilarious.
Athenes had conversations with AI mimicing streamers. It was super hilarious. It was sooooo close to the real asmond
Asmongold is not relevant ☝️
Truth hurts
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it's really nice to hear an opinion where s1 isn't afraid to speak up about certain subject, no matter how controversial it is. subbed!
In terms of how AI will take the jobs of artists fully if not partially, I have felt very jaded with modern video games so here's the way I see it. They haven't given us a single reason to care about their problems. If AI can get the job done cheaper and better then an artist can then them's the brakes. I don't feel like it is my responsibility to care and listen to people bitch and moan about having their jobs replaced when currently they can't even do their jobs effectively.
100% good take. Asmon is right, and your response was spot on, Blue. I think some people are also misinterpreting "artists opinions dont matter." to mean that if youre an artist then your opinion on anything doesnt matter and youre a lesser person because of it. In reality, he is only talking about their opinion of their own product and not their opinion on anything and everything, but based on some peoples reaction they are taking it that way. However, he isnt wrong. As an artist you shouldnt have an opinion on your own art, at least not a forward facing opinion. A humble artist will create their work and strive for continuous self improvement.
If they think they create amazing art and anyone who doesnt agree with their opinion of their own art is wrong, then they are only exposing themselves as being entitled, narcissistic and prideful. So anyone that is calling out Asmon for this is essentially defending this kind of behavior and they are the ones that have no ethics or morals.
tbf to Asmond, artists' opinions don't matter. It doesn't matter if, in your opinion, you can only draw 20 frames a day. The studio will still demand 250 per day.
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i might not like Asmongold, but i agree with this one.
Truth hurts,have a nice weekend all
Funny thing, there is no tool AI our not that can make 3D models for you. Even if you see it, its fake. As someone that worked in games and 3D when i see people thinking its AI shows me they know shit about it..
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Though I enjoy Asmons content. He does speak with such convictions on things he has no idea about, but that’s not the case in this scenario. People just don’t want to stomach the sad truth of it all.
wtf truth are you referring to? Asmon was spot on.
@@cic3000 , read again and get back to me. Comprehension is important for civil discourse to occur.
Looks like asmon did not continue her Black desert account again and quit for the second time because the game is not skill tab 😂
Was your comment written by AI, or can you not form sentences
@@trignite someone is offended 😂
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imo. artists need to git guud. It's not the AI's fault it is making better content than anything else on the market. Period
and mind you, most modern artistry borrows from centuries old styles and theories and none of those people in the ground are crying for credit on new designs/concepts that clearly exhibit those same art styles.
Hot hot take, nobody wants to get a real job. Nobody is honest. And because honesty comes with the risk of offending somebody, these "artists" are robbed from the brutal truth that they have work that really isn't all that good and they SHOULD pursue an alternative career.
@@cic3000That's not an apt comparison. Machines are much better at calculations and learning, while people have to study those styles for possibly years and still won't produce the EXACT same style, instead most will develop their own styles alongside of a study of various styles while machines can get very close to the same result in much less time.Tracing though is different matter.
But yes, art is not a sustainable job because it's a luxury much like entertainment, to be able to buy commissions means you can afford that luxury. Many so called artists produce work that is labelled fancily, take 'abstract', by painting random shapes with random colors and call it their art.
That being said, some are very talented such as the guy who did Magic: the gathering cards for Wotc for so many years, but given the amazing work he does, even he is confident that he would not be short of work. These 'artists' as you say, will be
@@crypterion_moonit is an apt comparison. Because any time technology advances in any field of work, people in those related fields lose their jobs like clockwork because there simply isn't a need for their continued services. And this is no different.
@@cic3000 You were comparing people having to study old art styles to develop their skills to machines learning them as if they were the same thing. So no, that is not, an apt comparison
It's not necessarily visually "better" than some artist it's just wayyy cheaper. Like a 400 dollar commission for 1 drawing vs 10 dollar ai generator with 1000s of pics
This is just such an obvious truth everyone should have learned by 8th grade. How his take is even controversial is truly mind-boggling. If the internet manifested itself into physical form, it would be a thirsty 12 year old male cry bully.
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