MSFS || Should you upgrade to Windows 11? || Side by Side Performance Tests
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- MSFS Pilots, should you stay on Windows 10 or upgrade to Windows 11? In this video I provide my opinion and show some side by side FPS tests between the two operating systems.
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It might have been better to test with clear weather to compare framerates. I also updated just prior to Christmas and am happy with the results. The only downside (if there is one) is getting used to the interface changes but like everything, in time you get used to it. All the best for the year ahead Mark.
I updated to Win 11 a few months ago and have had no issues. Wow. You have an RTX 4090! I'd guess that cost just as much as all the rest of the components on the PC. It's like buying 2 PC's.
and the new card is about the size of a PC hahahaha
My days of upgrading operating systems are long past me. I used to love doing that stuff but just got tired of all the issues that always popped up. My sim rig is still on Windows 10 and will stay on it. I'll move to WIndows if/when I get a new system (no plans).
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WARNING! I upgraded to Win 11 and started getting random black screens which forced me to do a hard reboot. They happened on average every day. It is maybe related to multiple monitor issues but I could not rectify the problem. So I was forced to uninstall Win 11 and reinstall Win 10. Now my system is stable again. It will be a LONG time till I upgrade.
Interesting. I am using 2 x 32’’ monitors and not issues.
@SimHanger Flight Simulation I have no idea if the multi monitors were the cause of the random crashes. All I knew was that for me Win 11 was an unstable mess.
Stability is exactly what concerns me, NOT FPS, and it's why I have not upgraded to Win 11 yet. So far, I'm seeing too many reports (like this one by 14723ian) to make me comfortable trying the upgrade.
I run 2 monitors no problem with windows 11 but I understand your frustration. Computers can be so finicky. Its probably one little setting buried in your system that would take months to hunt down. looks like windows 10 is your solution. Again I have no problems with windows 11 but there is not much difference anyway. Fly on my friend!
Had a discussion with a colleague who I have discovered has a degree in computer science and is very technical with computer hardware and he thinks my issues are maybe down to me UPGRADING to Win 11 and not doing a fresh install. Not sure if I have the patients to try his theory out. Should I do a fresh install of Win 11....not an upgrade?
Updated September last year, works fine for me. Thanks Mark.
As always, thanks Mark for your informative video.
I just upgraded to Win11. Flying the PMDG 737-700, it is very smooth indeed with near-identical FPS. The most noticeable improvements for me are much improved (significantly crisper) visuals, especially the night lit roads/cities/airports and the night sky. The stars are sharper and dramatically less blotchy (on Win10 the stars and night-lit airports, roads, cities are all more blotchy).
Even the aircraft's lights are much improved in sharpness, colour and brightness. I actually did a "double take," asking myself "Could this be the ubiquitous 'placebo effect' playing tricks on me?"
Well, to answer that question, I went back to my saved screenshots and videos over the same routes, at the same time & season with similar weather - using the same exact settings (mostly ultra).
For your info, I'm using an i9 10900K at stock speed, RTX 3080ti, 32Gb DDR4/3200 RAM. FS2020 is on an M.2 nvme 2Tb SSD and all my addons are on a separate, standard 2Tb nvme SSD. No overclocking here.
The Win11 verdict is that my eyes didn't deceive me!!
Visuals are, without doubt, significantly sharper under Win 11 with near identical FPS and smoothness.
I can't speak for VR as I haven't taken that plunge yet. But at 4K, 2D, I couldn't be happier.
I upgraded my Sim machine to Windows 11 about 6 months ago. I've since done a clean install on my new system. No problems other than getting used to the annoying new Start Menu layout which desperately needs improvement or reversion!
I built a new PC and am running the 12th gen intel series which strongly recommends using Windows11 for the improved thread director. I set it up initially with Windows10 but soon ran into gaming issues that were remedied with the Windows11 upgrade, so I reluctantly reformatted with 11.
I much prefer Windows10 but MSFS runs just as good on both from what I could tell. My issues with parked e-cores under Win10 were totally solved running Win11, so anyone with a 12th gen or higher intel should upgrade for sure.
Thanks for the in-depth look and comparison!
Really interesting test thanks for doing this Mark. I initially wasn't too impressed with Windows 11, especially with some of the issues with the HP Reverb G2 (over sensitivity in tracking and stutters due to the Holo-lense issues). However I'm glad to say these have been resolved with recent updates. So consider me a convert. Thanks again and Happy New year!
I second that and Happy New Year Mark.
In our Discord some users had have some problems with the G2 but solved that.
Personally I am in the Insider Beta since last year and after some hiccups it is now absolutely flawless.
Recommended.
Thank you for your video and take care.
@@4secsharkmr352 Fancy seeing you here Uwe. Sending a wave!
@@4secsharkmr352 happy New Year 🎉
Thanks, all the best for 2023 and beyond 🎉
Thanks, you give me the hype for install w11. I go upgrade my PC.
Only when I am forced to switch; "if it ai'nt broke don't fix it" eh!
😂…fair enough
@@SimHangerFS Of course when I do switch I will seek your thoughts; another concern is how my other Steam sims/games would do with Windows 11
I am betting on the difference being the WX not being the same on both test. Live traffic if active could influence it too.
Thanks for the tests! Very helpful!
I was on the fence Mark but ,tomorrow I will take the plunge and set my mine free. Thank you very much for this content I trust you opinions … wish me luck 👍 plus no more reminders about installing the update after .
Hope it goes as well for you as it did for me. 👍
Just a update… Windows 11 installed flawlessly. The only pain was I needed to google how to shutdown. 😂 … now I know.
I built my machine for windows 11 so i have no benchmark for windows 10 but 11 has been rock solid in triple-monitor and VR (G2) use so far, no issues with peripherals either.
Windows 11 was installed here ages ago. Works fine.
Thank you for this, Mark. I switched to Windows 11 after seeing your update video. All went well and the sim is running fine.
W.10 for me Thank You :) and another Good Video as well.
Hi Mark. Another excellent video from you as always. Thanks so much for this Windows 10 versus 11 comparison. I've been on the fence on upgrading to Windows 11 on my 3 year old Gaming PC (It was a high end PC at the time). I'm hoping to get another 1 year+ before getting a new high end rig possibly. I might just do the Windows 11 upgrade this weekend. Thanks again.
Interesting stuff, cheers for this.
Thank you for this, I have also been waiting for the gremlins to be worked out but after seeing this, I am going to go for it!!!
Win11 user from day 1. I always take the plunge and leap forward. No major issues in the beginning, absolutely none for quite a long time time now.
That was interesting I've been thinking about upgrading to Windows 11 but have worries about problems. I7 and RTX370.
Thanks much Mark - excellent data. I upgraded to 11 when built new flt sim computer last Nov (i9 13900K/4090), agree with your findings. I’m a VR G2 flyer. 😂
I have been using Windows 11 for quite a while now and have never had an issue with it with MSFS or any of my other games and applications. I definitely recommend it.
Is it a Notebook?
@@The-Mimic... Laptops and the desktop that MSFS is on
@@Squirel Thanks!
I'm so on the fence, I guess if it's not broken, don't fix it lol. So I probably stay with 10 for now. Thanks for the video, though
I am using windows 11 for many months now. No issue so far
My jetline systems computer came with windows 11. I have no complaints. Works great for me!
Versions back i use to be on the Microsoft Beta test team till they stopped dealing with our recommend thoughts and did what they wanted, many of us left. Now with windows 11 they have started to introduce linux based work pages or desktops sadly on one single page, but still it's a start. I decided to build a new rig 12 i-9 class so i could try 11. I am a hard core user of FSX box and now steam SE version. With windows 10 nothing but on going issues with the compatibility mode, fsx not responding reported by Windows task manager as well as random issues with C. Those issues are all gone with the upgrade to 11 as well as 2020 is much smoother also. I was like other people waiting to move from 7 to 10 due to security and other issues however for me 11 was worth the move. I think there trying to do better with this one.
I am experiencing less CTD’S after upgrading. Also, there are areas that were previously very jittery and prone to be laggy and now it is much smoother.
I can recommend a parallel use for some time. I got me a new nvme m.2 2TB, installed a clean Windows 11. I started with cleaning out the os as much as possible. Clean Driver install. I have the decision for win 10 and 11 on every boot. I am installing my games and Software on win 11, when i need to. I can reach my files from both windows variants. The moment i reach 2 or maybe 3 months without issues and no fallback to win 10, the old win will be gone.
Our sys is almost identical and im having the same issue like you. GPU only using 45% of the memory .Same tuf 4090 im running on 12900 but same yellow CPU results.
Hallo Mark, I upgraded to Win 11 yesterday without any issues.
WIN 11 and I don't have any problems .. ( 3x screen or VR G2 )
Used W11 before release which was Ok, about to try it now its bedded and stable. Totally forgot i have a G2 as i haven't used it in about a year, although after completing the awesome ''ALYX'', doubt i'll use the G2 again.
Gosh, it's been months since I've upgraded to Windows 11 and have had no issues at all. My new PC build (I9-12900K, 32G DDR5, RTX 4080) will also run Win 11 Pro.
Unless you did a complete clean install of 11 you will see no gains. I did a clean install and gained 4-8 FPS @ 4K These results have been verified by a few other channels. I also feel the overall performance is snappier with the debloat of 11 and the addition to the install of " Spy-Bot Antibeacon" to reduce the resources' being used up by MS telemetry !
I think most people have moved to Windows 11 a very long time ago! At least in my business I moved to windows 11 back in 2021!!!
I don't really have strong feelings against upgrading but I still intend to wait a bit longer so that by the time I get to it, the OS will be more mature and more consistent from update to update. Honestly. I don't really get why some folks still cling to very emotional notions that they should stick with a older OS as a matter of principle.
i upgraded to windows 11 some days ago and cant seem to see any difference regarding msfs whatsoever. to be honest I am pretty happy with win11 until now as it supports the pcore/ecore usage performance ratio thingy for my 13th gen cpu. havent tested VR in win11 yet though....
My hesitation to upgrading to Windows 11 is that I've heard various reports of various peripherals not working with it.
I probably will upgrade when the free upgrade is drawing to a close.
Hi, all my peripherals are working and I have attached a lot😁 no problems with Win11
All mine are working fine 🎉
All might flight sim ones work fine. Although my wireless headphones aren't which I haven't been able to figure out just yet.
Excellent stuff again Mark ...
Im in a conundrum as wether to upgrade or not ...this helps towards my decision 👍😀
Thinking on a "New build" ..13900k ,ddr5
Awesome specs
Hi Mark and thank you for doing this. I'm curious, frame rates are one metric, but did you notice any difference with stuttering (esp. in VR)?
No I didn’t, but this is normally related to DX11 or DX12 and your settings.
The fact that w11 allmost (unless you know how to work around it) forces you to create a ms account and be connected to internet for installing it, speaks for itself.
Well, somewhat academic really as you need a MS account to use MSFS anyway.
@@SimHangerFS An absolutly valid point😂
Thanks for another well done video.
Are you using AMD Mark? I heard a recent security update cause random pauses on some Ryzen based systems.
No, I’m using Nvidia
@@SimHangerFS Sorry, I meant your CPU - apparently December patch Tuesday caused some issues for AMD Ryzen users on Windows 11
I was going to upgrades after watching this video...... but I read some comments about problems with multi screen. I have three 4K 55 inch screens plus two touch screens for instruments.... plus another tablet running via spacedesk. All run well with Windows 10 on my high end system.
I am now a bit nervous about doing the upgrade.
I know I can always revert...... but I worry messing around like that is a risk to breaking what ain’t broke
Hi Alan, I don’t know the answer, all I can say is I am using it with two x 32’’ monitors and no issues. There are people on my discord using win 11 with three monitors.
Thanks for the win11 update Mark. Good to see that win11 now seems to be fine to migrate to for PCVR. Best 2023 cheers.
EDIT; upgraded to win11 today and found a lot of problems with my i9 9900k/rtx3090/32Gb3000 ram PC. I couldn't even enable my Windows Defender Firewall, lol! Tried a bunch of troubleshooting that finally lead me to needing to change a dozen or more registry keys and/or do a full clean win11 install. I gave up and rolled back to win 10, without any problems. Lesson learnt; if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm getting a new PC next week (i9 13900k/rtx4090/32Gb 5200ram) that will come loaded with win11 so this might work better since it will be a clean install. Fingers and toes crossed! Cheers.
Edit#2; Finally got my new win11 rtx4090 rig up and running. While there were a few win11 issues (I came pretty close to doing a clean win10 reinstall, lol!) everything, including PCVR with msfs using my Q2, QPro, and OG Vive Pro (VP1) seems to be working well now. I'd guestimate I'm getting at least a 50% improvement compared to my older rtx3090 rig, so I'm pretty happy. Cheers.
you'd be better off with a new 7900x3d cpu, it will outperform the 13900k for quite a lot in msfs and other simulators.
@@valrond I guess we’ll see actual performance differences when that cpu is released later this month.
@@tomc1380 Well, taking into account that in sims the 5800x3d is very close and even beats the 13900k in some, the 7000x3d will beat anything by a margin
@@valrond Time will tell I guess. Probably all three will work fine. Use whatever cpu rocks your boat imho. I'm not a big AMD fan so I'll probably continue to stick with Intel/Nvidia for PCVR but this is maybe more of a personal preference thing.
@@tomc1380 I'm a fan of getting whatever is the best for my main need. I got a 4090 cause the 7900xtx vr performance is poor. And I got the 5800x3d because it wiped the floor with everything using the more demanding games: simulators. I don't care if I get 10 more fps in CP2077. But those 10 extra fps may be what gets you to 90 and avoid reprojection.
I've noticed that there seems to be a lot running in the background in Windows11, I wish there were a seperate game ,office, etc options, it just seems to make everything run slow on my system, especially gaming. I've a decent system but can't afford a silly priced graphics card.
It’s probably time Mark :)
Windows 11 after well over 12 months of use on my system is sweet as a nut and practically bullet proof performance overall. I too also much prefer the user interface experience compared to Win10.
Great video, once again! Congrats! i just have a doubt... was the windows 11 installation done with formatting the old system, or was it simple upgrade over what windows 10 existing?
Thank you!
I think most of us would just use the win10 windows update, upgrade to win11 option. At least doing it that way you have up to 10 days to roll back without losing everything. If you do a clean install of win11 that option will not be available and you'll lose all your user data/apps. I tried the simple upgrade from windows update and after finding a few problems I ended up rolling back to win 10 and now all is well again, lol!
It was upgrade over the win 10 install. Easy and quick and gives you the option for a limited time to roll back.
@@tomc1380 What problems did you have with Win11?
@@Piotr_Majchrzak I already listed those. Also said that this now appears to be ok.
Thanks for this test
I’ve question linked to VR usage (with HP REVERB G2). When you’re in an A320 cockpit (for example), you can have one hand on the stick but how do you know where is the physical throttle or mouse on you desktop to perform operation ? Or, do you perform all action only using reverb associated hand controllers ?
Question maybe stupid but didn’t find the answer 😉
Muscle memory! I know where the TQ levers are and just reach out and move them. I don’t use the controllers.
@@SimHangerFS
Thanks for this quick answer 😉
If it doesn't improve anything why would I upgrade? As someone says in the comments below "If it ain't broke don't fix it". The only thing that would cause me to upgrade would be if important new features were released in MSFS 2020 (or any other programs that I use) that required Windows 11.
I have a dual boot with win 10 and 11.
I cannot use VR on Win 11 as I suffer from constant stuttering. Even on WMR home or Steam Home, even before getting to any game. It's very noticeable and very annoying.
In win 10 it runs smoothly.
I have a RTX3080 on the Reverb G2 V1.
Nice video Mark . question: is it necessary to re-instal MS flight simulator 2020 after install Win11 ?
No not at all. MSFS will still be there! 👍
I've been on Windows 11 since day one and never regretted it and only felt sorry for all Windows 10 VR peeps living in the past ;-) Rocking cutting, bleeding edge AMD platform when my AMD Ryzen 9 5900X was released and needed to be on the latest Windows 11 to utilize all my cores in the best way. Now MS / Asobo still need to do the same but they are working on it with DX12 but it's taking them pretty long because they still only really use 4 cores and I have 12 :-)
Happy New Year Sparky 🎉
Which GPU do you sport?
Windows 11 with RT3080TI on AMD 5950X has been working for me over the last year.
For me it says "ur computer doesn't meet the requirements so the game can be laggy" or something
I regret having upgraded to 11. Nothing but troubles. Very seriously thinking about going back to 10.
Bit like my bank account, Mark - not a lot in it! However, I have been with W11 for quite some time now, and happy with it. Big question is: how much longer will Microsoft support W10? Best wishes and regards for the New Year 🍻
Win 10 supported through mid 2025.
Greetings dear, can you help me please. I bought a new laptop that came with windows 11, I installed mfs2020 and now it doesn't start.
How could I do, thank you
Could be many different reasons. Join the Simhanger Discord, someone there may be able to assist. Link below most of my videos.
Hi, I have looked throu you videos and can't see to find anything on what your daily setup is. I mean a video about all the equipment you use like yoke peddles and any other. Newbe looking to go into sim vr.
I haven’t done one specifically. Check out my vr essentials playlist on my channel (link in notes below the video) for more info.
@@SimHangerFS Will do. Thanks for the reply, great to have you around for us dummies lol
NEVER TOUCH A RUNNING SYSTEM!
If that was true I’d still be running Win 95 🤣
@@SimHangerFS How about DOS 😅 That's exactly the point - unless you require a new OS feature set(DirectX anyone) that's mandatory or desired for your favorite time sink, stay away updating finely tuned systems.
Feel free to setup in parallel to existing hardware though, to gain knowledge of compatibility and incompatibilities. 🖤
I'm using Windows 10, for a couple years now. BUT, I'd love to go back to Windows 7. I like the 7 interface much much better than 10.
Have you tried Classic Shell?
@@johndunstan3875 No, I hadn't. I just looked it up. Thank you!
@@ButchNackley Enjoy.
I am having a problem, my computer is Ryzen 7 8700x3d plus an Nvidia 4090 and 32 ghz Corsair ddr5, the monitor is gigabyte 32uc 4k but it gives me problems, the image looks cut off, what could it be? I don't know what to try, it's only with fs2020
I currently have Windows 11 but it all started when I changed the monitor the lines are horizontal and how they rotate if you can help me I leave my (PLU 2302)
Check your resolution for your monitor and also in-sim under general options graphics.
Did you do any optimisation of w11 once you’d installed it? eg the guides from ‘Tech YES City’
No what your seeing is after standard install.
+1
I’ve been on Windows 11 for a while now. The only issue I have is Microsoft forcing users to create a Microsoft account to use the OS. There is an easy workaround to bypass this annoying “requirement”. I don’t want a Microsoft account. Other than the Microsoft account issue and the ridiculous TPM requirement which prevents the use of Windows 11 on older hardware, Windows 11 is a nice OS that is very stable. Windows 10 is EOL in 2025.
The MS account isn’t really an issue….note you need a MS account to run and install MSFS anyway. Perhaps it shouldn’t be that way, but that is todays reality.
I'd like to see benchmarks for someone with an older card which isn't compatible with the latest DLSS version. I'll see if I can find one, but that said I'm in no hurry to move to 11. I bought a full Windows 10 Pro licence with the PC I bought just shy of two years ago and it's running fine. Plus the upgrade advisor says my system isn't compatible. I know it's some security feature that isn't switched on in my BIOS but I really don't like that 11 is forcing you to use a Microsoft account, so I'm going to avoid it for as long as possible.
My friend is running on a 3070ti with no problems. The MS account point is not an issue as you have one and are already signed in if using MSFS.
I installed the latest update to windows 11, and now my flightsim 2020 does not load at all. Any suggestions?
?..no idea, suggest log out of your ms account and log back in.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks.
I Upgraded to windows 11 and problems slowly started, and it got worse for every startup. Starting msfs took longer and longer time, at one point it took 45 minutes to start msfs. I tried reinstalling fs but same thing happened again. I finally had to format the HD and reinstall windows 10 and fs. After reinstalling windows 10 everything works as usual, I mean with the usual crash to desktop now and then😂😡
I am curious if you noticed any difference in load times for FS202 between the two OS?
Haven’t made a point of checking, but nothing obvious was noticed, about the same I would estimate
@@SimHangerFS I figured as much, thanks, am Win 10 as well, will stay with it for now.
Does it work on Windows 11 notebook?
My system is less than 5 years old and I'm told that I'm incompatible. My opinion is, it's a ploy for us to have to buy new hardware. What say you?
I say don't go by the front door, use the backdoor to install win11😉
There are multiple back doors to choose from.
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11 what!?!? Potatoes!?!?
Values should always be expressed in units!!!!
I have a pc with gpu nvidia 4090, cpu intel i9 13900k, windows 11. I face a lot of problem. MSFS crash never experimented before. Should I migrate to windows 10?
I’m using Win 11 no problems. Suggest your problems are with an add on in your community folder or perhaps with a peripheral?
just logitech saitek as peripheral. Most of add on purchased on msfs market. Community folder fully clean. Simulator crash after some minutes ( blocked no more chance to do anything) when I move some windows on second monitor. It seems windows 11 not so stable as windows 10. Consider that in my previous machine, not a pc but mac with windows 10 installed through bootcamp, never met any crash problem
I like your test videos..but using live weather instead of static weather preset renders this comparison pointless😢
Short answer - no. Always skip every second version.
I absolutely hate windows 11. Mainly because of the new dumbed down right click context window. They've added in a extra click to be able to do most things there which adds up quickly
Your missing the bigger issue here.. That is microsux changed the privacy and data protocol in the settings in Windows 11. Basically means you cannot untick certain data collection. Shitty Windows 11 nothing more than data mining ones info to sell to advertising companies etc etc.. That alone one should delay upgrade as long as possible.
Your forgetting that for MSFS you need a MS account anyway and need to be signed in for online flight. So your concerns around WIN 11 security are somewhat academic.
@@SimHangerFS rofl you are completely out of your league.. So I'll do myself a favour not waste my time in trying to educate you..
Ms combat flight simulator pacific
Windows 10 never *actually* became a paid update, and it's unlikely Windows 11 will either. Microsoft intentionally left gaping holes in the payware requirements to ensure that anyone who wasn't willing to pay would still use it regardless.
Thanks, I stand corrected 👍
Less that 40 frames with a 4090? Be cheaper to buy an actual plane at this rate..
4090 and ddr4 is not the best setup, you are not getting the best out of the 4090 using ddr4, you certainly should have ddr5 and RAM at least that can gain 4000 mhz; higher can be achieved with a proper setup using ddr5 very successfully.
Also, not sure why you are using Bing, Google is by far with their satellites much better in detail, understanding at FL340 you are not seeing detail, but with a 4090, who cares, you are only using on average 12GB in the video of the GPU on a 24GB card, obviously MSFS is single thread dependent, everyone knows this.
Also, you get better quality frames and higher with DLSS3 on, gives lower latency and higher FPS with better quality, maybe not quite as high as TAA on v. DLSS3, but with beta of DX12 version, it will get better.
DX11 and TAA On gives better results on lower latency and higher FPS than what you are using. That's what the numerous other videos depict, and I concur with my results.
On my channel are numerous videos showing different set ups and setting comparisons, you seem to have missed the point of the video…is Windows 11 a suitable and stable platform for MSFS. Answer…yes.
Lol I done the same I upgraded to 11 . I’ve a 7700k 1080ti so I was hoping for a miracle , alas it looks slightly worse in W11 blurry textures above 3000 feet and can’t cure it not even if I cripple the sim and go ultra . So back to 10 possibly . I’d no issues besides no crashes etc , just the blurry textures , looks shit .
I’m on that same rig except I have a 6800xt. I haven’t noticed and weird texture issues. Sounds like an nvidia driver setting to me
thats a downgrade get linux lol
😂
It is sad that this could be a joke or it could just as likely be serious. Some of the more "passionate" Linux enthusiasts are absolutely insane.
@@startrekmike 100% serious and insane
@@startrekmike rabid is more the term.