Got to put both wheel on a gear drive to sync it at the right moment for a continuous push ! Kinda like a cam shaft in time with piston and the valve to keep it moving .
Your diagrams drawn on the disc were more likely to have success. Notice your magnet spots you marked with dark tape were angled keeping the opposing pole at the opposite end of each magnet away from your target zone of ideal magnetic propulsion. But when you mounted the magnets you put them all in line with the edge which unfortunately allows the opposite pole (magnetic field) to come in contact with your target zone, causing magnetic braking, robbing you of the propulsion you have between your bigger drive magnet and your smaller repeller magnets. Do you see what I mean.? Put them all at angles keeping the opposing force (attractive force) further in and away. Follow your own example of the dark tape marks on your disc.
INTERESTING. i WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE OPPOSING POLE IN LEAD POSITION, AND MULTIPLE FIXED MAGNETS POSSIBLE ON ANOTHER GEAR (MAYBE ONE THAT CANNOT SPIN AS QUICK)
And then he needs giron to isolate the field on one side of each magnet. And way more magnets on the outside with giron below each magnet.. so when they meet they have sudden push
The positioning of the magnets on the spinning wheel will make a big difference as does your size and dimension of your magnetic propeller. Having that single force more focused would provide the same stream like influence of flowing water
Ie not parallel to the circular edge but rather angled to recieve the directed blow from the single opposing force which needs repositioned also. Might even look into an over tube wrap of magnetic blocking material to focus the magnetic wave.
There is one adjustment that I'd love to see. Remove the magnet on the pedestal, and compare the spin time. That would at least give you a control to see whether the magnets are affecting the rotation. Also, you might try wrapping a string around the shaft connected to a weight through a pulley so you can give every configuration exactly the same amount of energy when you spin it up. If you come up with ANY configuration that is better than free spin with no fixed magnet you will have my attention!
You might try 2 or 3 large repelling magnets and offset them just enough so that when one wants to pull on the wheel the other one will start pushing then add a 3rd to go just about 1/8 behind where the other magnet begins to push. That way there is always one or 2 pushing and over taking the ones pulling.
Magnetic fields don't overlap so pressing them close just warps the field, but remains balanced. You'd need to narrow/warp/eliminate/short circuit/reroute a portion of the field attracting the magnets.
One who knows nature and the universe geometry can unlock this kind of mechanical things that we seem hard to solve. By seeing this you are missing out on using gravity mechanism and the conical spiral mechanism. The gravitational push that made the magnets to rotate was indeed you but the loop that will make the gravitational push constantly rotating will be the conical spiral mechanism. Of course in gravity what goes up must eventually come down but when the conical spiral mechanism is added it will seem that what goes up keeps coming down, it repeats the process.
You need to use curved magnets from auto parts power window or wipers which has larger space are of north and south. Secondary have two of those external stands to push and pull at 120 degree's
Mu-metal would shield the magnetic interference between the magnets which should focus the magnetic field of the opposing magnets a bit better, also the perendev motor uses the same concept but has 3 rows of magnets and each row is a bit offset from the other to give it that push in the spaces where it wants to stop spinning
regular steel or iron shields magnetic field to some degree, the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
One problem is the angle of the magnets on your wheel., they need to be more perpendicular to your stationary magnet. The second problem you have is that you need a “shield” on your stationary magnet ( like the ones they use on audio speakers) to dampen the field around the sides of the stationary magnet. This concept will work and yes you are on the verge of getting it right. Very honest and well made video. Thanks for sharing your experiment.
5:05 just turn on or off the the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 AT THE RIGHT TIME 🤯... The magnet wheel 🛞 should produce just enough ⚡ electrical juice with the 90% spin and then turned on or off the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲... Or just simply INCREASE THE POWER of the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 with an electric ⚡ jolt at the RIGHT TIME to push the magnet wheel 🛞 ... Then repeat 🔁
I had the same idea 20 years ago, except instead of one external magnet, I made a circle of magnets around the wheel. I’m going to build it pretty soon and see the results
@Psi Starcraft it's fun to challange our brains and come up with new ways and try them out some will work some won't. Don't discourage them from trying.
Turn the system 90⁰ and use a circumferential magnetic bearing system as opposed to mechanical bearings. Use permanent magnets throughout the rig. If youre able to use a halbach arrangement while focusing on the negative charged pole for the rotor magnets, perhaps it may yield better results? Perhaps even using a small halbach array focusing on a negative charged pile for the propulsion magnet? (Edit) Also, perhaps instead of using a physical stabilizer as most magnetic bearing systems use, you could incorporate the same magnetically repulsive properties to keep the rotor stable within the magnetic bearing system.
Have you thought of using a longer cylindrical magnet so that the poles are further apart and using some magnetic shielding so that the field doesn't catch the magnet the moment it passes the stationary magnet?
It would make no difference with longer magnets, if he took the stater magnet away completely it would spin a lot longer, magnetic shielding well do absolutely nothing. The force required to repell the magnets is the same as their attracting forces therefore there is zero gain magnetic shielding or not, magnets do not behave like rockets so angling them doesn't do nothing.
I've been playing with a similar idea in my head for years but lack the materials to build it. If you turn the disc vertical and use only one magnet on the disc it would use gravity to pull it down and as it is pulled down with gravity it charges a capacitor that will discharge into a stationary magnet repelling the disc magnet when it reaches the apex of it's return arc.
I was thinking of trying to use magnets to create levitation to try to get rid of the resistance of the bearing but ... I haven't yet tried anything. I will eventually try this because I have a lot of ideas. I need proper angles and a 3d printer for my end result. Though the laws of physics claim the project to be impossible, I still plan to try to get something very close to this working
the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
I don't know a lot about magnets, but is there a kind of shielding you could put along side of the big magnet on the stand so it's field didn't extend sideways and slow down the wheel? So that the field does only extend forwards?
The thing to understand about magnetic fields is you can't cut off part of them. You can guide the field, spread it out, or concentrate it, but it will maintain the same characteristics. In the common visualization of "lines" used to understand the spatial field distribution, a particular line will always be a continuous loop through the magnet through the space around it. All you can do is guide the loop with various materials or other fields.
Cannot. The magnetic field must always be closed in order to show a seeming resistance as a "force". Ergo, this "force" only manifests if there is a closed magnetic field. If there was a mythical mono-polar magnet, it would be possible, even if it would not be clear what it closed with its magnetic field. Fortunately, monopolar magnet does not exist despite the wishes of fantasts. But there is an alternative - a static electric field that actually creates such monopoles against a grounded counterpart. It would be good to examine electrostatic motors. Many people have already verified the malfunction of the magnetic engines ála Perpetuum Mobile, both scientists and fools.
What about using a piece underneath that spins the magnets on the disk that then spins them ever so slightly enough to make them repel and attract at the appropriate times. Or using an electro magnet that pulses right when the magnets pass it instead of constant energy of a permanent magnet?
I agree. I was thinking a cam gear that just redirects the pushing magnet’s force at the appropriate time in the cycle. Like ignition timing on a vehicle.
I've always thought that something like this would be useful in terms of energy generation. But seeing how the fields interact, It makes sense why its not a thing to me now
Though it will need energy to function, the amount it produces exceeds the amount it draws. The batteries it uses are only to start, accelerate and store energy. It will also need high voltage illumination and a cut off switch for overcharging. Then inverters can be added
Very nice video. You bring up a good point about the magnets helping to make it spin longer. To see if they have an effect, you can make a device that would start the spin, then count the rotations with and without the stationary magnet. It would be very interesting to know if the magnets actually effect the number of rotations. The starting device should be consistent. Again, very nice video
@@andreasschmitt2307 I've been playing with a similar toy here at home, the magnets make it spin more than it would otherwise then stop rather abruptly. Remove the external magnet and then spin and it loses momentum much quicker but it doesn't have that abrupt loss of momentum. There's something going on there, not sure what but my little toy will spin for roughly two minutes with an external magnet, I didn't actually time it without but it was a good deal less than two minutes, wasn't even close. Proximity to the magnet makes a huge difference and adding magnets to the spinning device did not help past a point. I figured that even just adding mass would aid in the spinning duration but it did not.
I wonder if it would increase the efficiency to have the stationary magnet an electromagnet that would switch off at the moment of drag and switch back on at the place of push?
Maybe you could add an escapement mechanism similar to the ones in a mechanical clock? The stationary magnet could pivot so it pushes one magnet, then doesn't "catch" the next magnet.
I made one that worked, I made the wheel similar to a car distributor with a cam and points. The outside magnets were spring loaded and fixed outside of the center wheel. As the repel came by the spring aloud it to pass, then come back up and pull.
That's a great thought. I also thought about maybe a counter weight to propel the wheel at the point that it wants to stop. Kind of like a flywheel concept. Just a thought 🤔
@@donpennington4655 what if you left everything the way you have it, only if you could make the single outer magnet on the stand so it moves in and out to push each magnet on the wheel, it pulls the magnet out of the way before it attracts then pushes. You would need something like a cam and a flywheel would help. You could put the single magnet in an aluminum cylinder and have it operate like a piston. I was working on something similar but with four pistons that would have like a circular firing order.
It seems to me that the stationary magnet should be geared to come closer to the moving magnets as they pass by (Moving away from the attracting pole of the moving magnet and moving closer to the opposing poles)
Was thinking the same. This could be achieved by putting gears with appropriate ratios on the axles spinning the magnets (the rotating disk and the stationary).
what happens if you swap the magnets pulling the larger magnetic on the disk and and the smaller one on the stand and i was surprised at how far away you have the one on the stand from teh disc.
Change the Flat Wheel, to a Fan Blade, secure the Wheels Magnets to the Angle of the Fan Blade Tips, place the Stationary Magnet, above the Fan Blades, such that it always sees only N-N or S-S Repulsion. Try that out!
Well thought out, but this too will fail. Any open magnetic system that doesn't employ some type of shielding will always have a net force of zero. Think about when you bring like poles near each other. They repel when directly opposed to each other, but the slightest movement towards a side and they will attract. So as your positive magnet is passing by other positive poles you will get slight attraction - repulsion - slight attraction. The flaw in most magnet motor systems is using magnet on magnet drive systems. I am currently building a magnet motor that utilizes the attractive forces between permanent magnets and steel, and by doing so, eliminating the usual balance of forces and working only with attraction. I'll post a video once it's built.
@@haroldkline4898what about using a halbach array of magnets on the outer magnet pusher to make the north pole larger and the south pole minimal so it catches less? Or maybe sharper geometry angles like triangle orientated instead of a ring/circle? Just some thoughts ^^
Try a steel ball enclosed in a rubber tube on the circumference of the disc. then tip the unit at a 45-degree angle. then adjust the stationary magnet until it barely acts upon it.
For this to work you must use magnetic shielding. It will work once you use magnetic shielding. It’s already done and working prototype exist + evidence in form of measuring strength in a test rig based on stepper motors who slowly rotate the magnets and measuring power live. The magnetic shielding must be half moon shaped both on the rotating magnets and the stationary magnets. Doing it that way you prevent to early push with will push against rotation. Perpendicular motion is already cracked open. We who has made it are just very careful about pushing to much on it. Because if you puck the evil on the nose, sooner or later it will bite back.
What if you created a system where the magnet could be moved back and forth by the rotation at the right timing to “catch” the magnet on its way toward it within the rotation? Then move away to not apply the “pulling” force as it moves away from the magnet in the rotation?
That's a great experiment. Straight cylinders seem to be the hindrance. Curving the unwanted pole towards center and away from the perimeter looks like the answer.
I ALSO HAD THIS IDEA IN A BRAINSTORM BUT FIGURED THAT THE ATTRACTION WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM VS THIS SPINNING FOR EVER WITH LITTLE ENERGY TO START OR A CONSTANT LOW VOLT DC TO IT. MAYBE THIS PAIRED WITH A RHODIN COIL AND 1--300 MLV. ANYWAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD SYMCRONIZE/STABALIZE THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ,AND PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN BEING INPUT.
Try using the big magnet on a moving like a piston part to avoid the attraction and put a bigger distance between the small magnets and change their angle. See of that works
I think the answer lies in the angle of attack. Rather than having the magnets on the disk facing only part way towards the other magnet. You should try gluing the magnets with the apposing side facing completely outward from the center of the disk so less of the attractive side is visible ! Try leaving the large stationary magnet at the same angle and then also try it facing directly at the disk.
Have you try it with a second or a 4th magnet? At the point where it stops make on the oposite side a magnet what push it forward. or as i sayed even a 3rd and 4th...also you could use a material beside the magnet what blocks the magnet field. If you try that please send me a link i would like to know.
I am confused as to why you didnt mount the magnets on the disk anything like the diagram with the attractive pole further away from the edge of the disc...
Im thinking maybe place the outside magnet say 20 degrees and your inside magnets so they oppose in line, decreasing the effect of the attracing end of the inside magnets by distance. Just a thought
Rig the main sending magnet(left) on a gear system so it moves away and back towards the wheels at time where it is only present when opposing a passing magnet on the wheel. This is easier if you only have one magnet on the wheel. This way it misses a magnet when attracted and then realigns just as the opposing are of the magnet on the wheel passes by. Kind of like kicking off the ground while on a scooter. Make contact for a moment of thrust, then back away, then again at the precise moment best for thrust(opposing magnetic force).
that big magnet you had in your hand, did you try to lock one on top and one on the bottom so that will create a magnetic cushin to kind of support the spinning disk? but bring them so close so they feel like pushing into each other
It seems that you need magnets shaped 90°. Have the opposing polarities pointing to the wheel center and the propelling end as you already have them so they get the boost.
Can you disable the same opposite dipoles of these magnetics from a particular position, because according to my observation from you video the magnetic spinning had enough energy to continue until it reach his same dipole, so maybe it would spin continuously if you disable the same dipoles of these magnetics. Because the spinning stopped when it reach his opposite dipole.
Good honest approach - I've heard that some people have got only Magnets (no steel) to work - Howard Johnson's were only Magnet's but were various shapes and types - grades etc - Permanent Magnet Motors are both fascinating and frustrating - I've also read that when they oscillate and bounce around back and forth a bunch of times you are getting close it is like there is some 'force' trying to escape if we can just figure it out
if you have a reed switches on the side of the disk and move slightly the main magnet with an electric actuator, you can do it even mechanically with some modifications, you could move the main magnet when there are the death points between magnets that slow down the wheel ... it should work
What if you put another post setup on the other side. But place it just off center of parallel. For example, 12 and six on a clock face make it 12 and 7.
We can turn off the left side bigger magnetic for some specific intervel at the point where the megnetic locking is happening. If you can try that would be great, with some mechanical lever attached with gears to the circular disk of magnets.
What if you had some sort of piston directly tied to the rotation of the disk that oscillated the "driving" magnet away and back a few mm or so so that it didnt interfere with the incoming magnet? Its not about free energy, its about increasing the efficiency of the input energy.
Replace metal parts with plexiglass, also what if you use 4 small magnets arranged in a cross formation at the direct center of the disk, then on the outer edge of the disk arrange paramagnetic materials....
Give it very smallest energy by earth magnetic field so it's moving forever and provides more output then intake By applying eddy current from earth magnetic field And magnetic potential difference between high magnetic fields and low magnetic field developed by earthing
What if you put a fixed magnet inside like the one outside, but all the other magnets that rotate, so these will be arranged with the magnet outside so that they are repelled, I don't know if I understood, que tal si pones un iman dentro fijo como el q esta afuera, pero todos los demas imanes que giren, asi estos se pondran ordenar con el iman d fuera para q sean repelidos, no se si me di a entender,
cut down middle to make triangle so less north side then this keep going as no push from north side to push back so less slow down you could add small magnet middle draw north in to middle give pull.
I just wonder if another opposing spinning wheel might keep the motion going? So two wheels next to each other. If they spinned at precisely the right position? I could be talking nonsense of course.
This might sound daft but have you tried something like this, imagine you had a sphere, which was all magnetic, super duper strong magnetic, then you had another magnet inside the sphere, super strong also, if you pushed the magnet towards the magnetic ball, it would move right, so would it not lift off the ground if you pushed the magnet toward the ceiling of the magnetic sphere, and if so and the weights was worked out correctly wouldnt that allow it to fly if the magnetic force was strong enough???
5:30 Can you put the counter magnet in the other side. Not precise. Not position it in 0 and 180º. more like 0º and 175º. And try put iron hose around the magnet so you focus the magnetic in a focus point instead of wide field.
Also, I have to remind myself of this quote every now and then: "Still, the inviolability of the laws of physics has not stopped the curious from ignoring them or trying to break them.".....and that's called "Science".
Cover the attracting pole either north or south however you choose in your setup with paper or something that doesn't work with attraction. It will rotate fine
There's a thing called magnetic cogging on display here,it slows down the machine because you can't get rid of the interference from the opposite pole,but I'm sure you all know that,there is an arrangement called the "halbach array" Wich almost cancells out the opposite pole but in turn adds loads of weight,so my question is has any body ever made one with halbach magnets...?
And if there were more stationary magnets (2, 3 or 5) around the wheel shifted slightly with the locking phase? What about more such wheels on single axle stacked and locked together let's say 10 cm above one another (3, 4, 5 wheels with a shifted locking phase)? And for odd number of stator magnets even number of magnets on a wheel, so every locking position would be counteracted by the pull/push force of every other stator magnet - unbalanced wheel?
Obviously, we know about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, but just to add additional passive interplay of forces, you could add a few, or several coils that get energized by moving through a magnetic field/s, and send its energy to another coil/s to repel/attract the magnet in the stator, or even add another stator further up the Z axis of the axle to interact with said coils. Since the universe, or multiverse (if you prefer) exists, and there is plenty of movement, existence itself seems to violate the 2nd law...which happens at the quantum level routinely.
The magnet on the left should be designed to have a on & off switch. As the spinning magnet wheel moves away from the standing magnet, turn the standing magnet off. The spinning magnet will not slow because the standing magnet is not pushing or pulling the spining magnet. Turn the standing magnet back on right before the spinning magnet is parallel to the standing magnet.
If the horseshoe magnet is positioned correctly, it does not affect the other magnetic pole, if it does, it can be deflected with an iron plate.... Half-skin arc magnet Etc
The magnets on the wheel ought to be placed more with the opposite pol directed against the wheel center (but not completely of course) and perhaps with a little longer magnets..!? So the opposite pols is more far away from the solid magnet.
Got to put both wheel on a gear drive to sync it at the right moment for a continuous push ! Kinda like a cam shaft in time with piston and the valve to keep it moving .
Your diagrams drawn on the disc were more likely to have success. Notice your magnet spots you marked with dark tape were angled keeping the opposing pole at the opposite end of each magnet away from your target zone of ideal magnetic propulsion. But when you mounted the magnets you put them all in line with the edge which unfortunately allows the opposite pole (magnetic field) to come in contact with your target zone, causing magnetic braking, robbing you of the propulsion you have between your bigger drive magnet and your smaller repeller magnets. Do you see what I mean.? Put them all at angles keeping the opposing force (attractive force) further in and away. Follow your own example of the dark tape marks on your disc.
INTERESTING. i WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE OPPOSING POLE IN LEAD POSITION, AND MULTIPLE FIXED MAGNETS POSSIBLE ON ANOTHER GEAR (MAYBE ONE THAT CANNOT SPIN AS QUICK)
And then he needs giron to isolate the field on one side of each magnet. And way more magnets on the outside with giron below each magnet.. so when they meet they have sudden push
Wont work xD
The positioning of the magnets on the spinning wheel will make a big difference as does your size and dimension of your magnetic propeller. Having that single force more focused would provide the same stream like influence of flowing water
Ie not parallel to the circular edge but rather angled to recieve the directed blow from the single opposing force which needs repositioned also.
Might even look into an over tube wrap of magnetic blocking material to focus the magnetic wave.
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There is one adjustment that I'd love to see. Remove the magnet on the pedestal, and compare the spin time. That would at least give you a control to see whether the magnets are affecting the rotation. Also, you might try wrapping a string around the shaft connected to a weight through a pulley so you can give every configuration exactly the same amount of energy when you spin it up. If you come up with ANY configuration that is better than free spin with no fixed magnet you will have my attention!
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You might try 2 or 3 large repelling magnets and offset them just enough so that when one wants to pull on the wheel the other one will start pushing then add a 3rd to go just about 1/8 behind where the other magnet begins to push. That way there is always one or 2 pushing and over taking the ones pulling.
they did that what was needed was a bridge in the gap! All we had to do was slow down,
No.
Magnetic fields don't overlap so pressing them close just warps the field, but remains balanced.
You'd need to narrow/warp/eliminate/short circuit/reroute a portion of the field attracting the magnets.
I would try to put some type of insulation on the back side of the magnet spinning on the disc because that's where it seems to be attracting
Then do it.
Hard disks have insulating metals. I have a bunch of them. If you sandwich that metal between 2 neodymium magnets, there is no attraction
Nice build. What if you add a belt between the wheel and the fixed magnet bolt and make it rotate so it gives it a push
One who knows nature and the universe geometry can unlock this kind of mechanical things that we seem hard to solve. By seeing this you are missing out on using gravity mechanism and the conical spiral mechanism. The gravitational push that made the magnets to rotate was indeed you but the loop that will make the gravitational push constantly rotating will be the conical spiral mechanism. Of course in gravity what goes up must eventually come down but when the conical spiral mechanism is added it will seem that what goes up keeps coming down, it repeats the process.
You need to use curved magnets from auto parts power window or wipers which has larger space are of north and south. Secondary have two of those external stands to push and pull at 120 degree's
Mu-metal would shield the magnetic interference between the magnets
which should focus the magnetic field of the opposing magnets a bit better, also the perendev motor uses the same concept but has 3 rows of magnets and each row is a bit offset from the other to give it that push in the spaces where it wants to stop spinning
regular steel or iron shields magnetic field to some degree, the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
He put his magnets on the disk the wrong way.. but I think he was just protecting his life .
Yep
What would have been the right way? Asking for a friend
One problem is the angle of the magnets on your wheel., they need to be more perpendicular to your stationary magnet. The second problem you have is that you need a “shield” on your stationary magnet ( like the ones they use on audio speakers) to dampen the field around the sides of the stationary magnet. This concept will work and yes you are on the verge of getting it right. Very honest and well made video. Thanks for sharing your experiment.
Sir have you done what you say?
Yup, “if you can block (or shield) a magnetic field, you can make a permanent magnet motor.”
5:05 just turn on or off the the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 AT THE RIGHT TIME 🤯... The magnet wheel 🛞 should produce just enough ⚡ electrical juice with the 90% spin and then turned on or off the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲... Or just simply INCREASE THE POWER of the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 with an electric ⚡ jolt at the RIGHT TIME to push the magnet wheel 🛞 ... Then repeat 🔁
You should be Able to unlock 🔓 more energy than put in because of kinetic energy latent in magnet's
Yes that's why you need a bismuth jacket around the magnets
The bismuth acts as a magnetic shield?
Bismuth is useless
I had the same idea 20 years ago, except instead of one external magnet, I made a circle of magnets around the wheel. I’m going to build it pretty soon and see the results
The problem is without using electricity it will always stop at some point
I can tell you the results, it won't work.
@@chrisadmaley Lmfao
@@woozy7405 people are so dumb about magnets they have no idea how they work lol
@Psi Starcraft it's fun to challange our brains and come up with new ways and try them out some will work some won't. Don't discourage them from trying.
Turn the system 90⁰ and use a circumferential magnetic bearing system as opposed to mechanical bearings. Use permanent magnets throughout the rig.
If youre able to use a halbach arrangement while focusing on the negative charged pole for the rotor magnets, perhaps it may yield better results? Perhaps even using a small halbach array focusing on a negative charged pile for the propulsion magnet?
(Edit) Also, perhaps instead of using a physical stabilizer as most magnetic bearing systems use, you could incorporate the same magnetically repulsive properties to keep the rotor stable within the magnetic bearing system.
Make one so we can see 👍
Have you thought of using a longer cylindrical magnet so that the poles are further apart and using some magnetic shielding so that the field doesn't catch the magnet the moment it passes the stationary magnet?
It would make no difference with longer magnets, if he took the stater magnet away completely it would spin a lot longer, magnetic shielding well do absolutely nothing. The force required to repell the magnets is the same as their attracting forces therefore there is zero gain magnetic shielding or not, magnets do not behave like rockets so angling them doesn't do nothing.
easy fix is to cut away the other pole
@@pekvekYou do not understand magnets. If you cut away the other pole you just end up with 2 magnets.
I've been playing with a similar idea in my head for years but lack the materials to build it. If you turn the disc vertical and use only one magnet on the disc it would use gravity to pull it down and as it is pulled down with gravity it charges a capacitor that will discharge into a stationary magnet repelling the disc magnet when it reaches the apex of it's return arc.
This is cool. I got mine to spin for 9 minutes and 10 sec without a bearing using a vertical setup and levitation. I was unaware of the challenge.
😂😂😂 También se puede hacer por mas tiempo y superior a 9 minutos y sin imanes ,una simple peonza en casi levitación y un fuerte giro de manos 💁
I was thinking of trying to use magnets to create levitation to try to get rid of the resistance of the bearing but ... I haven't yet tried anything. I will eventually try this because I have a lot of ideas. I need proper angles and a 3d printer for my end result. Though the laws of physics claim the project to be impossible, I still plan to try to get something very close to this working
You could make it so the driving magnet moves back out of position then swings itself back as the driven magnet comes into position
the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
I don't know a lot about magnets, but is there a kind of shielding you could put along side of the big magnet on the stand so it's field didn't extend sideways and slow down the wheel? So that the field does only extend forwards?
The thing to understand about magnetic fields is you can't cut off part of them. You can guide the field, spread it out, or concentrate it, but it will maintain the same characteristics. In the common visualization of "lines" used to understand the spatial field distribution, a particular line will always be a continuous loop through the magnet through the space around it. All you can do is guide the loop with various materials or other fields.
Cannot. The magnetic field must always be closed in order to show a seeming resistance as a "force". Ergo, this "force" only manifests if there is a closed magnetic field. If there was a mythical mono-polar magnet, it would be possible, even if it would not be clear what it closed with its magnetic field. Fortunately, monopolar magnet does not exist despite the wishes of fantasts. But there is an alternative - a static electric field that actually creates such monopoles against a grounded counterpart. It would be good to examine electrostatic motors. Many people have already verified the malfunction of the magnetic engines ála Perpetuum Mobile, both scientists and fools.
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Have you tried to use electromagnet with rotation switch to cut the field when it pulls. Wrap some copper and power the switch.
What about using a piece underneath that spins the magnets on the disk that then spins them ever so slightly enough to make them repel and attract at the appropriate times. Or using an electro magnet that pulses right when the magnets pass it instead of constant energy of a permanent magnet?
I agree. I was thinking a cam gear that just redirects the pushing magnet’s force at the appropriate time in the cycle. Like ignition timing on a vehicle.
did you think about adding a second fixed magnet on the other side of the disc, with an ofset push to the other fixed magnet
I've always thought that something like this would be useful in terms of energy generation. But seeing how the fields interact, It makes sense why its not a thing to me now
Insulate is the key
It could be done with a system of cam shaft like in engines with pistons, to modify the position of magnets.
Though it will need energy to function, the amount it produces exceeds the amount it draws. The batteries it uses are only to start, accelerate and store energy. It will also need high voltage illumination and a cut off switch for overcharging. Then inverters can be added
Very nice video. You bring up a good point about the magnets helping to make it spin longer. To see if they have an effect, you can make a device that would start the spin, then count the rotations with and without the stationary magnet. It would be very interesting to know if the magnets actually effect the number of rotations. The starting device should be consistent. Again, very nice video
Sure the magnets are affecting the number of rotations. Without the big one this contraption will spin much longer.
@@andreasschmitt2307 dead right.
@@andreasschmitt2307 I've been playing with a similar toy here at home, the magnets make it spin more than it would otherwise then stop rather abruptly.
Remove the external magnet and then spin and it loses momentum much quicker but it doesn't have that abrupt loss of momentum.
There's something going on there, not sure what but my little toy will spin for roughly two minutes with an external magnet, I didn't actually time it without but it was a good deal less than two minutes, wasn't even close.
Proximity to the magnet makes a huge difference and adding magnets to the spinning device did not help past a point. I figured that even just adding mass would aid in the spinning duration but it did not.
Just like the magnetic coupling of the motor and pump, which repells and attract can create a magnetic field for continuous rotating motion detection.
I wonder if it would increase the efficiency to have the stationary magnet an electromagnet that would switch off at the moment of drag and switch back on at the place of push?
What I use a magnet which pushes it instead of attracting it. 🤔
8:03 What about oscilation movement? in sync? or elyptic shape instead of circle. i dont throw it away.
One question why did you not make it like the plans? So that the attractive poll is further away than the opposing poll?
Maybe you could add an escapement mechanism similar to the ones in a mechanical clock? The stationary magnet could pivot so it pushes one magnet, then doesn't "catch" the next magnet.
I made one that worked, I made the wheel similar to a car distributor with a cam and points. The outside magnets were spring loaded and fixed outside of the center wheel. As the repel came by the spring aloud it to pass, then come back up and pull.
That's a great thought. I also thought about maybe a counter weight to propel the wheel at the point that it wants to stop. Kind of like a flywheel concept. Just a thought 🤔
@@donpennington4655 what if you left everything the way you have it, only if you could make the single outer magnet on the stand so it moves in and out to push each magnet on the wheel, it pulls the magnet out of the way before it attracts then pushes. You would need something like a cam and a flywheel would help. You could put the single magnet in an aluminum cylinder and have it operate like a piston. I was working on something similar but with four pistons that would have like a circular firing order.
@@flynnstone3580 great idea 👍
It seems to me that the stationary magnet should be geared to come closer to the moving magnets as they pass by (Moving away from the attracting pole of the moving magnet and moving closer to the opposing poles)
Was thinking the same. This could be achieved by putting gears with appropriate ratios on the axles spinning the magnets (the rotating disk and the stationary).
what happens if you swap the magnets pulling the larger magnetic on the disk and and the smaller one on the stand and i was surprised at how far away you have the one on the stand from teh disc.
Change the Flat Wheel, to a Fan Blade, secure the Wheels Magnets to the Angle of the Fan Blade Tips, place the Stationary Magnet, above the Fan Blades, such that it always sees only N-N or S-S Repulsion. Try that out!
Well thought out, but this too will fail. Any open magnetic system that doesn't employ some type of shielding will always have a net force of zero. Think about when you bring like poles near each other. They repel when directly opposed to each other, but the slightest movement towards a side and they will attract. So as your positive magnet is passing by other positive poles you will get slight attraction - repulsion - slight attraction. The flaw in most magnet motor systems is using magnet on magnet drive systems. I am currently building a magnet motor that utilizes the attractive forces between permanent magnets and steel, and by doing so, eliminating the usual balance of forces and working only with attraction. I'll post a video once it's built.
@@haroldkline4898what about using a halbach array of magnets on the outer magnet pusher to make the north pole larger and the south pole minimal so it catches less? Or maybe sharper geometry angles like triangle orientated instead of a ring/circle? Just some thoughts ^^
is seems that the back end of the magnet is interfering with the front end. what if you isolate that back end with some sort if insulation???
Try a steel ball enclosed in a rubber tube on the circumference of the disc. then tip the unit at a 45-degree angle. then adjust the stationary magnet until it barely acts upon it.
Don't suppose you know the rating of the magnets you're using? Would help alot..
It's called cogging and the laws of thermal dynamics. Probably the first honest video I've seen on this topic
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For this to work you must use magnetic shielding. It will work once you use magnetic shielding. It’s already done and working prototype exist + evidence in form of measuring strength in a test rig based on stepper motors who slowly rotate the magnets and measuring power live.
The magnetic shielding must be half moon shaped both on the rotating magnets and the stationary magnets. Doing it that way you prevent to early push with will push against rotation.
Perpendicular motion is already cracked open. We who has made it are just very careful about pushing to much on it. Because if you puck the evil on the nose, sooner or later it will bite back.
Did you try spining the stable magnet by placing a bearing on it then turning opposite direction?
What about placing magnetic shielding where the resistance points are?
What if you created a system where the magnet could be moved back and forth by the rotation at the right timing to “catch” the magnet on its way toward it within the rotation? Then move away to not apply the “pulling” force as it moves away from the magnet in the rotation?
That's a great experiment. Straight cylinders seem to be the hindrance. Curving the unwanted pole towards center and away from the perimeter looks like the answer.
I ALSO HAD THIS IDEA IN A BRAINSTORM BUT FIGURED THAT THE ATTRACTION WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM VS THIS SPINNING FOR EVER WITH LITTLE ENERGY TO START OR A CONSTANT LOW VOLT DC TO IT. MAYBE THIS PAIRED WITH A RHODIN COIL AND 1--300 MLV. ANYWAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD SYMCRONIZE/STABALIZE THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ,AND PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN BEING INPUT.
what meterials shields a magnetic field? Cause if you can cancel the negative atraction out?
What name for this paper field magnetic? 7:05"
Try using the big magnet on a moving like a piston part to avoid the attraction and put a bigger distance between the small magnets and change their angle. See of that works
I think the answer lies in the angle of attack. Rather than having the magnets on the disk facing only part way towards the other magnet. You should try gluing the magnets with the apposing side facing completely outward from the center of the disk so less of the attractive side is visible ! Try leaving the large stationary magnet at the same angle and then also try it facing directly at the disk.
Doesn't work magnets don't behave like rockets and angling them does nothing.
How about placing a metal strip diffuser on the attracting pole (like metal spokes) to diffuse the attraction that is stopping the wheel from turning
What if the magnets on the disk were staggered on polarity. North, South, to the main?? What does that do to the spin?
Why dont you try an AC electro magnet for the stationary magnet, Maybe two or more pulsing positive/negative.
Have you try it with a second or a 4th magnet? At the point where it stops make on the oposite side a magnet what push it forward. or as i sayed even a 3rd and 4th...also you could use a material beside the magnet what blocks the magnet field. If you try that please send me a link i would like to know.
I am confused as to why you didnt mount the magnets on the disk anything like the diagram with the attractive pole further away from the edge of the disc...
Im thinking maybe place the outside magnet say 20 degrees and your inside magnets so they oppose in line, decreasing the effect of the attracing end of the inside magnets by distance. Just a thought
Rig the main sending magnet(left) on a gear system so it moves away and back towards the wheels at time where it is only present when opposing a passing magnet on the wheel. This is easier if you only have one magnet on the wheel. This way it misses a magnet when attracted and then realigns just as the opposing are of the magnet on the wheel passes by. Kind of like kicking off the ground while on a scooter. Make contact for a moment of thrust, then back away, then again at the precise moment best for thrust(opposing magnetic force).
Put some type of lead plating between like poles to stop an attraction at the same time opposite poles continue to push
Could you put another stationary magnet on the other side and add three evenly on other side of disc and have a perpetual rocking motion
that big magnet you had in your hand, did you try to lock one on top and one on the bottom so that will create a magnetic cushin to kind of support the spinning disk? but bring them so close so they feel like pushing into each other
It seems that you need magnets shaped 90°. Have the opposing polarities pointing to the wheel center and the propelling end as you already have them so they get the boost.
Can you disable the same opposite dipoles of these magnetics from a particular position, because according to my observation from you video the magnetic spinning had enough energy to continue until it reach his same dipole, so maybe it would spin continuously if you disable the same dipoles of these magnetics. Because the spinning stopped when it reach his opposite dipole.
what if the magnet could rotate via a pulley to "time it" correctly, like you would an internal combustion engine?
Hi very intoresting. what wood hapen if if you put a magnetic conduter where the drag hapens ?wood it kill the drag if in the rite place
Alternate magnets positive negative. It will remove the cog effect. As one is pulled another is pushing.
What if you put another magnet 🧲 on the opposite side or maybe a whole ring around the spinning one ?
Good honest approach - I've heard that some people have got only Magnets (no steel) to work - Howard Johnson's were only Magnet's but were various shapes and types - grades etc - Permanent Magnet Motors are both fascinating and frustrating - I've also read that when they oscillate and bounce around back and forth a bunch of times you are getting close it is like there is some 'force' trying to escape if we can just figure it out
what if you had another big magnet but a little smaller or bigger then the other? put them paralell and then their breaking might conteract eachother.
if you have a reed switches on the side of the disk and move slightly the main magnet with an electric actuator, you can do it even mechanically with some modifications, you could move the main magnet when there are the death points between magnets that slow down the wheel ... it should work
Yes, it would become an unconventional electric motor with output power somewhat less than the average power consumed by the electric actuator.
@@drienkm not if you do it mechanically as I did
Thinking about directing the magnetic field, perhaps encasing the opposing pole and sides of all the magnets might yeild a better result.
What if you put another post setup on the other side. But place it just off center of parallel. For example, 12 and six on a clock face make it 12 and 7.
What if you put a spring into the equation to bounce the magnet away for just enough time to allow the magnet to go threw the stopping point??
Is it possible to cancel magnetic field polarization?, If that is possible maybe it can help the magnet to rotate much.
Look up halbach array magnets, you can orientate magnets so one pole is way larger and extends further than the other.
We can turn off the left side bigger magnetic for some specific intervel at the point where the megnetic locking is happening.
If you can try that would be great, with some mechanical lever attached with gears to the circular disk of magnets.
What if you had some sort of piston directly tied to the rotation of the disk that oscillated the "driving" magnet away and back a few mm or so so that it didnt interfere with the incoming magnet? Its not about free energy, its about increasing the efficiency of the input energy.
Replace metal parts with plexiglass, also what if you use 4 small magnets arranged in a cross formation at the direct center of the disk, then on the outer edge of the disk arrange paramagnetic materials....
Maybe you need a cam to lift the arm and let the magnetic pass and then fall to push it again.
What if you bounced the larger magnet after you spun it on like a Teterboro tottering would it bounce enough to keep it going?
Give it very smallest energy by earth magnetic field so it's moving forever and provides more output then intake
By applying eddy current from earth magnetic field
And magnetic potential difference between high magnetic fields and low magnetic field developed by earthing
What if you put a fixed magnet inside like the one outside, but all the other magnets that rotate, so these will be arranged with the magnet outside so that they are repelled, I don't know if I understood,
que tal si pones un iman dentro fijo como el q esta afuera, pero todos los demas imanes que giren, asi estos se pondran ordenar con el iman d fuera para q sean repelidos, no se si me di a entender,
Perhaps a master magnet with a spring arm that changes its direction and returns to its start position that's synchronised to attract the next magnet.
I would say that this would assist a motor in reducing friction if you can calibrate it right.
If the opposite poles are pointed directly away from the outer edge then you might have a constant rotation.
cut down middle to make triangle so less north side then this keep going as no push from north side to push back so less slow down you could add small magnet middle draw north in to middle give pull.
I just wonder if another opposing spinning wheel might keep the motion going? So two wheels next to each other. If they spinned at precisely the right position? I could be talking nonsense of course.
This might sound daft but have you tried something like this, imagine you had a sphere, which was all magnetic, super duper strong magnetic, then you had another magnet inside the sphere, super strong also, if you pushed the magnet towards the magnetic ball, it would move right, so would it not lift off the ground if you pushed the magnet toward the ceiling of the magnetic sphere, and if so and the weights was worked out correctly wouldnt that allow it to fly if the magnetic force was strong enough???
5:30 Can you put the counter magnet in the other side. Not precise. Not position it in 0 and 180º. more like 0º and 175º. And try put iron hose around the magnet so you focus the magnetic in a focus point instead of wide field.
Also, I have to remind myself of this quote every now and then: "Still, the inviolability of the laws of physics has not stopped the curious from ignoring them or trying to break them.".....and that's called "Science".
Hi, thanks very much for the comments and thanks for the great quotation!
I too, love to 'tinker' with ideas and put things to the test!
How would it act if you put more magnets on the outside?
Isn't this kinda the basis of brushless motors
Cover the attracting pole either north or south however you choose in your setup with paper or something that doesn't work with attraction. It will rotate fine
There's a thing called magnetic cogging on display here,it slows down the machine because you can't get rid of the interference from the opposite pole,but I'm sure you all know that,there is an arrangement called the "halbach array" Wich almost cancells out the opposite pole but in turn adds loads of weight,so my question is has any body ever made one with halbach magnets...?
And if there were more stationary magnets (2, 3 or 5) around the wheel shifted slightly with the locking phase?
What about more such wheels on single axle stacked and locked together let's say 10 cm above one another (3, 4, 5 wheels with a shifted locking phase)?
And for odd number of stator magnets even number of magnets on a wheel, so every locking position would be counteracted by the pull/push force of every other stator magnet - unbalanced wheel?
Obviously, we know about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, but just to add additional passive interplay of forces, you could add a few, or several coils that get energized by moving through a magnetic field/s, and send its energy to another coil/s to repel/attract the magnet in the stator, or even add another stator further up the Z axis of the axle to interact with said coils.
Since the universe, or multiverse (if you prefer) exists, and there is plenty of movement, existence itself seems to violate the 2nd law...which happens at the quantum level routinely.
The magnet on the left should be designed to have a on & off switch. As the spinning magnet wheel moves away from the standing magnet, turn the standing magnet off. The spinning magnet will not slow because the standing magnet is not pushing or pulling the spining magnet. Turn the standing magnet back on right before the spinning magnet is parallel to the standing magnet.
Bingo. And you would have a motor (and you would need an energy source)
The energy required to toggle that magnet on and off electrically or mechanicaly is more than what it can generate,
If the horseshoe magnet is positioned correctly, it does not affect the other magnetic pole, if it does, it can be deflected with an iron plate.... Half-skin arc magnet Etc
Lol I'm guessing the last magnet is the one with the most glue!🤣 interesting experiment. Ps I like your choice in Makita drills
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The magnets on the wheel ought to be placed more with the opposite pol directed against the wheel center (but not completely of course) and perhaps with a little longer magnets..!? So the opposite pols is more far away from the solid magnet.