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Say, what do you think are the best design elements of each type of fortification/castle that you know? suddenly thought-up video title idea: Building the Ultimate Castle
Interesting. I´m from Austria and we really have a bunch of original old medi-eval "castles" but the thing is in the german languague we distinguish that term castle in general. "castle" (the mansion type) would be translated as "Schloss" (like the Windsor castel for instance...) "castle" (the fortress type most likely on mountains) would be translated as "Burg" although some of them where converted to mansions during the time. And "Schloss Neuschwanstein" is a "Fake-castle" anyway because it was built in the late 19th century and finished 1869 by the "crazy bavarian king Ludwig II" who committed suicide a bit later on. He doesn´t really care about his kingdom Bavaria and was obsessed in medi-eval fairytails..so he got the idea to built a fairytale castle for himself ... but it was so expensive that Bavaria got in bankcrupsy and the Prussians payed his debts and in return Bavaria joined the Prussians as an ally although they were traditionally allies to the Austrians..which was a bit of a game-changer in german history because Austria and Prussia were political enemies fighting for the supremacy in the German regions at those times and Austria lost their advantage because of that....Crazy isn´t it because of a fairytale-castle built by a looney king (Bavaria shares the same culture with Austria which is totally different to the prussian culture of the North of Germany at all - it´s the obvious difference in culture between today´s german North and South - just a sidefact)
It's a wide spectrum; some of it is really fanciful, while other examples of Neo-Gothic architecture show a genuine desire to stay true to the original principles of Gothic. I think a lot of that has to do with the time when Neo-Gothic became popular; a time when society was influenced by the very fanciful excesses of Romanticism on one side, and the no-nonsense mechanical view of the world provided by the Second Industrial Revolution on the other side.
So to summarize: Medieval Caste - combination of a noble residence and a military fort from the medieval period Baronial Style - builds make to look like castles Gothic architecture - an architectural style that heavily uses features like arches and buttresses built around the medieval period Neo-Gothic - originally meant Victorian and more modern buildings with Gothic style features but has become abused to the point that it now includes anything Gothic like and castle like. Shad - someone who gets frustrated at the inability of human beings to come up with consistent ways classifying things and stick to those classifications. P.S. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole try programming. Trying to turn the world into hard logic will force you to learn just how much of stuff we take for granted is completely arbitrary tradition with no actual logic behind it.
The P.S. is epic. Mathematicians solved it by disconnecting their science from the reality. But we poor engineers are connecting both worlds together and it can get sometime really frustrating. Especially when you end the programming session and surface to the real world dealing with non mathematically minded people.
Hello shad. It is true that we Germans have the distinction between ‘burg’ (highly defensive medieval residence) and ‘schloss’ (magnificent noble residence). But it is not completely consistent. Some ‘burgs’ have been rebuild to ‘schlosses’ after the medieval period but still get called 'burg' because they have once been one. I don’t know if there are more inconsistencies with this terminology but that’s the one I know. EDIT: for german grammar enthusiasts: the real german plural of 'Burg' is 'Burgen' and the plural of 'Schloss' is 'Schlösser' you also write them with a capital letter in the beginning because in german all nouns start with upper case. EDIT2: Example: 'Burg Hohenzollern' Coordinates: 48.323624, 8.967374. It has been rebuild in the 19th century and is by definition a 'Schloss' but is still refered to as a Burg because its the name of the Schloss. EDIT3: The term 'Burg'. Yes the term 'burg' at the end of a town name refered to having a 'burg' near by or being fortified themselfs. Also as mentioned correctly by "Blah b" the name for "citizen" in german is similar to 'Burg': 'Bürger'. The term 'Burg' itself in german comes from the german verb 'bergen' "to safe, to protect, to secure" but the meaning shifted in the meantime to "to retrieve, to salvage, to rescue" And to get to the roots of ‘bergen’ it comes from the german word for mountain: ‘Berg’. A mountain provided security and protection. Just like a castle does that’s why in german the spelling of castle and mountain are so close to each other: Burg / Berg Funfact: I grew up in a town called 'Rottenburg'. I get asked a lot by english people, who know the concept of adding -burg to a towns name, if i know what rotten means. And the "shocking" answer is: the term rotten in the towns name rottenburg actually means exactly that. They normally expect it means something else in german. The reson is: it was build on the rotten remains of a roman city. Back then rotten refered more to terms like forfeited, derelict and decayed -> which later became the bridge to its meaning today
Felix Nadler the reason some are still called Burg is the same reason that some burgs still get called Veste in Germany, because the name of the structure was coined before there has been a change in its type. And people just couldn't be bothered to change it. So a Schloss can be called Burg but it is still a Schloss. I hope this makes sense
@PeniskoboldLP i am clearly aware of the german language, but i wanted to make clear for all those who don't speak german that i am tallking in plural.
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if it has pointy towers, is located on a lonely hill, looks dark and is home to a vampire that warmly invites you in for dinner on a stormy evening, it's a gothic castle.
Watching while drunk was not a good idea. I just heard "gothic", "neo gothic" and "castle" a bunch of times and Shad getting angry for some reason. Shad getting angry and frustrated is hilarious by the way ^_^
Rolf Schöpe I'm watching while sleep deprived after some tough exams. Yeah. Something I didn't quite catch is "easily understandable", apparently. I'm letting the words wash over me. May watch again later.
I like it when people get frustrated and you can hear it. Some people don't and say it's childish but they're wrong. Getting frustrated shows a passion for sharing the truth, and a deep love for the topic that's being spoken about. Keep it up Shad!
ReaperCH90 I could imagine "Burg" is somehow linked to "bergen" in the sense of "protect". No idea where "Schloss" is coming from, though. Translated into English you'd end up with "lock" and I am not sure if that makes sense. Close to where I live (Switzerland too) there's even a "Schlossburg". Apparently the name of the village is "Burg" and the castle-like building there is the "Schloss Burg", shortened to "Schlossburg". Doesn't make much sense either, but such things happen.
Thanks for this, I have adapted my plans. Going to build me a Baronial Neo-Gothic castle smart-home in the Colorado Rockies, except will be sure to include MACHICOLATIONS and perhaps one gatehouse just in case.
Thank you for this video. Living in Franconia/Bavaria in the neighbourhood of so many burgs and castles (so to speak under the shadow of Schloß Schwarzenberg), it really opened up my eyes again. I take these buildings too much for granted.
As a German I am glad that you mentioned the distinction we have, because literally half a minute earlier I thought to myself that this video is basically a summary of why we have the distinction
2 out of 3 people fall dead from an aneurysm, shad's enthusiasm and dedication to our further education, enabled him to carry on, and for the aneurysm to resolve, without complication good thing "neo-gothic archetecture" is so convoluted, as to give him the time to recover whilst trying to explain it
At the 11 min mark, I had to turn the subtitles on. LOL Thanks for the very passionate video, if I ever land up with enough money, this is the sort of castle I think I'd like.
6:12 we the students of Shadiverity, hereby request, that conciderations be made in reguards to the construction of a "CATHEDRAL of LEARNING" and expansion of our campus to accommodate said cathedral....
His frustration at sites that are called castles but are painstakingly obviously not castles, combined with the speed at which he's speaking, is somehow very gratifying.
I flippin love it. I eat this stuff up. I don't know if I'm representative of your viewer base as a whole, but I really do love your architecture themed videos. Hell, I love all your videos. Cheers from Virginia Beach, mate
a note on maiden castle: the mapping of britain was largely done by military types (ordnance survey) which was founded in the mid 1700s. what happens when a minor cartography officer in that time sees an ancient hillfort? he slaps the name castle on it regardless of wether it was called that before (which it might have been seeing as the locals weren't that well educated on the bronze/iron ages) TL:DR- a lot of these locations have names that were assigned by 18th century military logic, not by modern archaeological logic.
Basically a more complex version of all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Then you have these places which are influenced by different styles and fusing them together and it's a big convoluted mish mash (though admittedly can be quite beautiful if done right) that is really tough to classify. I don't doubt this episode was tough to do. I can really hear in your voice how tough this was to tackle. We appreciate the work you do though!
I saw the one view and I was like, YES! I'M EARLY FOR ONCE! And then I saw the 373 likes and 154 comments and then this comment and I was like, oh. I'll never be early.
You know what would be interesting to see? A village progression, among the lines of an average yet slightly unfortunate settlement in terms of being attacked, starting from nothing and explaining how the settlement would progress, preferably in 3D (like how you reconstructed castles from movies), in random parts of the past, using that time's tech, to progress and thrive. You can make that into some kind of RPG series, at least after a tutorial showing people how to make a standardized setup so you can patch things together quickly, having multiple people take part into an in-video re-enactment of a medieval strategy game. Like with any other RPG series, you gotta choose what to invest in, while making your settlement, and that includes the kinds of skills that would be welcome there.
Thanks to your channel I started asking questions about our family during medieval times. My mother's side is Hungarian and turns out we are directly related to the Csáky family who where the last private owners of Spiš Castle in Slovakia before it was given to the state. I love your channel and keep up the good work!
I think he's saying the "system" is bolloques. :p The thing with architectural styles is that they tend to be applied after the fact, because no architect but the most vain would name his own style, and even of those that do, very few rise to the level of fame where their personal style becomes a worldwide trend. The names "Gothic" and "Romanesque" were both coined in the Early Modern Period for instance, long after those styles had gone out of fashion in favour of Renaissance architecture. Incidentally, both were also originally meant to be derogative, but fortunately they lost that connotation over the centuries.
Greetings! I randomly found your channel tied to video game and movie castle reviews -- and all I can say is THANK YOU for pointing out so many of the critical details and "Hollywood" flaws that get mashed together into what most people perceive as "castles". This video is wonderful because it's along the exact same lines -- how castles transitioned from a purely functional / military construct to more of a stylized exposition of wealth, power, and style. Hah, and yes, the terminology is maddening. :) Keep up the great work! I eagerly await your next episode.
The frustration in this video has completely made my day. I'm new here. Literally watched video after video after video all morning. I think I'll stay.
Congratulations on your pronunciation of _Neuschwanstein_ , it was inspiring. Fun fact: Neuschwanstein's surroundings are so defensible because Vorder- and Hinterhohenschwangau (Fore- and Hind-Hohenschwangau), two smaller castles, had stood there before.
Found your channel by RUclips recommendation "accident" and i am so glad about that, extremely good content and inemaginable level of quality. Sincerely a new fan from Brazil
Actually I wanted to point out here the German differentiation between Burg and Schloss, but while I tipped you pointed it out in the video, I'm once more impressed. And yes, Neuschwanstein is not a fortified Burg, it's Schloss Neuschwanstein, a pure prestige building.
As a German I have to say your pronunciation of Neuschwanstein has gotten pretty good :D The first time I've ever heard you say that name I honestly had to laugh. I believe it was in your real castle vs. Fantasy video. Sorry about that, but it was a really funny pronunciation xD
German is not easy without some German ancestry or teaching. But some peoples original languages make them worse in speaking German than those from English language. BTW English is spoken first by Anglo-Saxons which were German tribes. ;)
MFlax It depends on your primary language. Learning to pronounce German from knowing Russian was super easy for me at least, since a lot of sounds are similar. English has a different phonetic set, though.
I know people from languages with a similar phonetic set. They are doing great in German. Not even a slight accent. So I know it can be done. But there are other people who will never get rid of their accents. I know a French lady which is very good in English and German but she is still keeping a little accent. It's small but you can still hear it. Maybe just because I know her. And for me? People tell me I'm good in English. But when I ask, they'll have to admit that I still have a German accent to it. Therefore I'll admire anybody who is good in adopting something additional to his mother's tongue. It's no easy task!
Ents I understand, because they are basically walking trees, so there would be much to talk about. But dryads are not the same kind of tree-person as an ent; they're tree nymphs. They're pretty much human.
Your legendary effort on a epic topic is greatly appreciated O mighty and wise castle oracle. Prays to you for such generosity with your knowledge and time.
Shad -- I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. If you ever want to come visit and actually see the Cathedral of Learning, let me know! This area of the United States has plenty of nerdy activities, from intersting architectural sites to historical battles from the US Civil War to board game conventions! I love your videos and have broadly shared some of them with friends, keep it up!
Great "rant" and yes "classifications" don't always make sense in part because no one really gives that much in depth thought when they first make them. You really hit the nail on the head. Your descriptions reminded me of a building I once worked in, the Metropolitan Life North Building, now known as Eleven Madison, in New York City. Technically it is an "Art Deco" skyscraper but because of WWI it was literally cut "short." so it tends to look sort of castle keep like. One thought about crenelations ... if your structure is above the normal range of arrows do you really need any defense against arrows in the first place?
My school is built in the neo-gothic style. Look up Central Catholic High School Pitts. PA Is also down the street from the cathedral of learning and my crew team will go there to run up and down the steps. Its funny, I was just looking at a picture of the cathedral of learning in a magazine and thinking about how it qualifies as neogothic when he brought it up.
In portuguese we use the word "Castelo" (castle) to refer to the fortified medieval structure like you do and we generally use "palace" to refer to neo-gothic and more recent structures. For early 20th century large houses or town houses we say "Casa apalaçada" (palace-like house).
Love this rant about proper use of terminology. Dutch has the words "slot" (surrounded by water), "burcht" (keep), "kasteel" (general term for an impressive building complex: royal, baronial as well as midievil, ) and "vesting" (definitely for military purposes, literally: fortress). Neogothic is just an architectural style which resembles a gothic style.
I am glad to hear of the term Scottish Baronial. I spent a week in the Dumbarton Overtoun House, and was told the government classified it as a Grand Estate and not a castle, the only dividing factor being the creation date post 1850. It would stand to reason that they would not use such a term as Scottish Baronial or Neo-Gothic. The building is extremely beautiful and the adjacent bridge is often found in lists of spooky places to visit
Confused learning is some of my favorite learning, like your video about the differences between short swords, bastard swords, long swords (arming swords), and great swords, despite the terminologies getting all mixed up by historians and media.
I love this channel and it always makes me want to learn more. I would be especially grateful for a litte subtitle now and then with the name of whatever we're looking at so I could research it more myself later (like the building at 8:57, that's a cracking design, I'd love to know where that is) Thanks for always keeping us interested!
Never thought about the difference in definition between 'slot' and 'borg' in Danish, but you're totally right! Same as German, similar words (languages are very related Germanic languages), just never thought about it. Thanks for the eye-opener!
Right, so to sum it up, Castles are the traditional defensive structures, Baronial applies to castle like structures that don't prioritize defense, and Neo-Gothic is a set of design features that can be applied to either. Did I get that right?
That's a bit of an oversimplification on Gothic's part. It's true that Neo-Gothic is a bit of a mess, with a lot of things that look vaguely medieval classified as Neo-Gothic despite often being a ludicrous mess of Gothic, Romanesque, Renaissance and sometimes even Baroque or Rococo styles. However, there's a lot more to genuine Gothic than style; rather the very well-known stylistic features of Gothic are the result of some significant advances in engineering, and it's those that really typify Gothic, which also makes me have some issues with Shad's assertion that cathedrals are Gothic but castles aren't. Anyway, I'm making a response video to this; ought to be up later today.
I don't know about English, but in French Castle is a word that while it originally referred to the defensive complex, came to evolve to designate a living complex built for nobles, then rich families in general. For example, the Castle of Cheverny (famous for being drawn as Marlinspike in Tintin) has no defensive feature and is only called a castle because it was the residence of a noble, as all castle built in the 16th onward were due to the obsolescence of the medieval defensive structures.
i'm honestly just glad we have 2 words for castle in German. schloss and burg. fortifications with actual utility? => burg. residence for good lords and ladies with gothic looks? => schloss (or if it small and almost mansion like => schlösschen) edit: ok nevermind , i shouldn't write comments while watching, i'm actually happy you mentioned this :D
Damn it Shad. Every time I feel like my DnD campaign is realistic enough with it's descriptions of architecture, you come along and make me rethink it all. Curses! But seriously, these neogothic blokes weren't thinking about dragons, were they?
Clark, what do you think about the wide open space in front of the castle at 11:10? Is that space about esthetics or do they need that giant chess board space?
Trevor Cormier I saw that and it immediately reminded me of the old Three Musketeers movie from the 70s. In it, the king had a giant chess board and used humans as the pieces. Funny scene, but illustrated the opulence. I think this could be similar, where an owner is flashing his wealth. Additionally, this can double as a pavilion for parties and gatherings, dances. When you have that much money, why not build a giant chess board? But I do think it served multiple purposes, not only aesthetically, which is also is. It's beautiful.
Makes sense. How do you handle the "no one wants to play human" in your campaigns? Personally, there is always so much temptation to play the most exotic race you can. Which leads to a party of weirdos(when you think about it)
We, in school, called mediaeval castles feudal burgs, while castles (dvorac) appeared during the baroque era. So we call Versailles, Schönbrunn and later structures castles, but earlier mediaeval structures feudal burgs or just burgs.
I remember going to the Cathedral of Learning when I was a teenager. We didn't do much other than see some of the classrooms and walk around the courtyard, but it was neat to see from what I remember.
9:22 same in Hungarian (to my knowledge), "vár" is a castle that defends a point or city etc and that's where the Hungarian word for "city" comes from, "város" (vár) and the other word for castle is " kastély" which is more like a palace or building that looks like a castle (like you pointed out) and in hungarian we have two or more words to describe something that only has one word in english for example, car= "auto"(formal) & "kocsi" which is less formal,or in english you would rather say "smell"(good or bad) even though there "stink" but for us we use both words more commonly depending on context , " illat"(good smell) & " szag" (vad smell),they both mean "smell" but actually the word for "stink" is "büdös". Hungarian is a very contextual language and sorry for dragging this on for so long. Hope you learnt something new :)
considering ''Castle'' comes from Castellum(a fortified tower) which in turn comes from castrum a military fortified area, any building regardless of its resemblance to a an actual castle shouldn't really be called like that if it wasn't build with that purpose
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Thank you very much, Shad! I'm glad you liked the video, and it managed to serve its purpose as well as it clearly has.
Hey shad is jazza really your brother? Just asking you reply would really help
Say, what do you think are the best design elements of each type of fortification/castle that you know?
suddenly thought-up video title idea: Building the Ultimate Castle
Interesting.
I´m from Austria and we really have a bunch of original old medi-eval "castles" but the thing is in the german languague we distinguish that term castle in general.
"castle" (the mansion type) would be translated as "Schloss" (like the Windsor castel for instance...)
"castle" (the fortress type most likely on mountains) would be translated as "Burg" although some of them where converted to mansions during the time.
And "Schloss Neuschwanstein" is a "Fake-castle" anyway because it was built in the late 19th century and finished 1869 by the "crazy bavarian king Ludwig II" who committed suicide a bit later on. He doesn´t really care about his kingdom Bavaria and was obsessed in medi-eval fairytails..so he got the idea to built a fairytale castle for himself ... but it was so expensive that Bavaria got in bankcrupsy and the Prussians payed his debts and in return Bavaria joined the Prussians as an ally although they were traditionally allies to the Austrians..which was a bit of a game-changer in german history because Austria and Prussia were political enemies fighting for the supremacy in the German regions at those times and Austria lost their advantage because of that....Crazy isn´t it because of a fairytale-castle built by a looney king (Bavaria shares the same culture with Austria which is totally different to the prussian culture of the North of Germany at all - it´s the obvious difference in culture between today´s german North and South - just a sidefact)
Would a castle be a good defense against zombies?
WARNING: This video is intended for experienced Shad watchers only.
You’d have to be quite the Shadman, eh?
If it has *crenellations* I call it a castle. If it has *machicolations,* I call it a _true castle._ If I see a Shadiversity vid, I click it.
I like these priorities.
Is ur brother jazza?
Shad: "I condensed a 1 hour video into a quarter of that"
Someone: "You had to cut so much?"
Shad: "I just talked really really fast"
In it's most oversimplfied version, I see Neo-Gothic can be summed up as, "Who cares if it's practical or not doesn't it look amazing?"
It's a wide spectrum; some of it is really fanciful, while other examples of Neo-Gothic architecture show a genuine desire to stay true to the original principles of Gothic. I think a lot of that has to do with the time when Neo-Gothic became popular; a time when society was influenced by the very fanciful excesses of Romanticism on one side, and the no-nonsense mechanical view of the world provided by the Second Industrial Revolution on the other side.
Garibaldi(?) is indeed amazing.
Basically, a Disney castle.
Thats not true at all, read augustus pugins architectural literature
So to summarize:
Medieval Caste - combination of a noble residence and a military fort from the medieval period
Baronial Style - builds make to look like castles
Gothic architecture - an architectural style that heavily uses features like arches and buttresses built around the medieval period
Neo-Gothic - originally meant Victorian and more modern buildings with Gothic style features but has become abused to the point that it now includes anything Gothic like and castle like.
Shad - someone who gets frustrated at the inability of human beings to come up with consistent ways classifying things and stick to those classifications.
P.S. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole try programming. Trying to turn the world into hard logic will force you to learn just how much of stuff we take for granted is completely arbitrary tradition with no actual logic behind it.
Not quite correct on the Gothic there, but I'm making a response video about that...
As promised: ruclips.net/video/NGeXIO4h544/видео.html
The P.S. is epic. Mathematicians solved it by disconnecting their science from the reality. But we poor engineers are connecting both worlds together and it can get sometime really frustrating. Especially when you end the programming session and surface to the real world dealing with non mathematically minded people.
Hello shad. It is true that we Germans have the distinction between ‘burg’ (highly defensive medieval residence) and ‘schloss’ (magnificent noble residence). But it is not completely consistent. Some ‘burgs’ have been rebuild to ‘schlosses’ after the medieval period but still get called 'burg' because they have once been one. I don’t know if there are more inconsistencies with this terminology but that’s the one I know.
EDIT: for german grammar enthusiasts: the real german plural of 'Burg' is 'Burgen' and the plural of 'Schloss' is 'Schlösser' you also write them with a capital letter in the beginning because in german all nouns start with upper case.
EDIT2: Example: 'Burg Hohenzollern' Coordinates: 48.323624, 8.967374. It has been rebuild in the 19th century and is by definition a 'Schloss' but is still refered to as a Burg because its the name of the Schloss.
EDIT3: The term 'Burg'. Yes the term 'burg' at the end of a town name refered to having a 'burg' near by or being fortified themselfs. Also as mentioned correctly by "Blah b" the name for "citizen" in german is similar to 'Burg': 'Bürger'. The term 'Burg' itself in german comes from the german verb 'bergen' "to safe, to protect, to secure" but the meaning shifted in the meantime to "to retrieve, to salvage, to rescue" And to get to the roots of ‘bergen’ it comes from the german word for mountain: ‘Berg’. A mountain provided security and protection. Just like a castle does that’s why in german the spelling of castle and mountain are so close to each other: Burg / Berg
Funfact: I grew up in a town called 'Rottenburg'. I get asked a lot by english people, who know the concept of adding -burg to a towns name, if i know what rotten means. And the "shocking" answer is: the term rotten in the towns name rottenburg actually means exactly that. They normally expect it means something else in german. The reson is: it was build on the rotten remains of a roman city. Back then rotten refered more to terms like forfeited, derelict and decayed -> which later became the bridge to its meaning today
Felix Nadler the reason some are still called Burg is the same reason that some burgs still get called Veste in Germany, because the name of the structure was coined before there has been a change in its type. And people just couldn't be bothered to change it. So a Schloss can be called Burg but it is still a Schloss.
I hope this makes sense
Felix Nadler in Sweden I'm pretty sure that any mansion where Royalty has lived for a time, have a right to be called a castle, or Slott in Swedish
Plural von Burg ist Burgen.
I got you, but -> "So a Schloss can be called Burg but it is still a Schloss" thats the inconsitency i ment ;)
@PeniskoboldLP i am clearly aware of the german language, but i wanted to make clear for all those who don't speak german that i am tallking in plural.
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Dual weild them - one is a makeshift buckler, the other is a not so makeshift bludgeon
Careful to not get sued by PUBG developers, lol
Shad Facts You're thinking of Tiffany Aching, I believe.
today i learned that architecture can be very confusing and that there's this really cool castle-looking place in Russia
*language
Got so confused, at one point I thought I was in the middle of an auction...Sold! I want the one with the pretty spires.
I always thought you could spot a neogothic castle by all its vampires and mood lighting
if it has pointy towers, is located on a lonely hill, looks dark and is home to a vampire that warmly invites you in for dinner on a stormy evening, it's a gothic castle.
Watching while drunk was not a good idea. I just heard "gothic", "neo gothic" and "castle" a bunch of times and Shad getting angry for some reason. Shad getting angry and frustrated is hilarious by the way ^_^
I'm watching this while sober and it doesn't make a big difference.
Rolf Schöpe I'm watching while sleep deprived after some tough exams. Yeah. Something I didn't quite catch is "easily understandable", apparently. I'm letting the words wash over me. May watch again later.
Also, castle!
Anyone else picture Shad making a conspiracy wall map trying to get this video right?
There are few things more pleasing than someone ranting about a subject they are passionate about and, what's more, know a lot about.
I like it when people get frustrated and you can hear it. Some people don't and say it's childish but they're wrong. Getting frustrated shows a passion for sharing the truth, and a deep love for the topic that's being spoken about. Keep it up Shad!
you just made me realize what difference is between a Schloss and a Burg. i knew it, but never articulated it. thx from a german speaking swiss
ReaperCH90 I could imagine "Burg" is somehow linked to "bergen" in the sense of "protect". No idea where "Schloss" is coming from, though. Translated into English you'd end up with "lock" and I am not sure if that makes sense. Close to where I live (Switzerland too) there's even a "Schlossburg". Apparently the name of the village is "Burg" and the castle-like building there is the "Schloss Burg", shortened to "Schlossburg". Doesn't make much sense either, but such things happen.
Thanks for this, I have adapted my plans. Going to build me a Baronial Neo-Gothic castle smart-home in the Colorado Rockies, except will be sure to include MACHICOLATIONS and perhaps one gatehouse just in case.
Thank you for this video. Living in Franconia/Bavaria in the neighbourhood of so many burgs and castles (so to speak under the shadow of Schloß Schwarzenberg), it really opened up my eyes again. I take these buildings too much for granted.
As a German I am glad that you mentioned the distinction we have, because literally half a minute earlier I thought to myself that this video is basically a summary of why we have the distinction
This might be your best work yet. I could almost hear you have an aneurysm.
2 out of 3 people fall dead from an aneurysm,
shad's enthusiasm and dedication to our further education, enabled him to carry on,
and for the aneurysm to resolve, without complication
good thing "neo-gothic archetecture" is so convoluted, as to give him the time to recover whilst trying to explain it
I love your *"LEGENDARY"* intro. Really pumps me up for some GODDAMN HISTORY!
Me: Would you repeat that?
You: What part?
Me: The part after "Greetings, I'm Shad"
At the 11 min mark, I had to turn the subtitles on. LOL
Thanks for the very passionate video, if I ever land up with enough money, this is the sort of castle I think I'd like.
6:12 we the students of Shadiverity, hereby request, that conciderations be made in reguards to
the construction of a "CATHEDRAL of LEARNING" and expansion of our campus to accommodate said cathedral....
At double speed it's even more epic XD
Awsome video but man how many Redbull did you shotgun just before making?
*MACHICOLATIONS*
Fixed that for you.
His frustration at sites that are called castles but are painstakingly obviously not castles, combined with the speed at which he's speaking, is somehow very gratifying.
I flippin love it. I eat this stuff up. I don't know if I'm representative of your viewer base as a whole, but I really do love your architecture themed videos. Hell, I love all your videos. Cheers from Virginia Beach, mate
At least 3 levels of Barbarian needed for that kind of rage :,)
You really upped your game with Neuschwanstein (Sounds good now to a native German)
So many of those buildings you show are gorgeous I almost want a list of them so I could look up more pictures.
a note on maiden castle: the mapping of britain was largely done by military types (ordnance survey) which was founded in the mid 1700s. what happens when a minor cartography officer in that time sees an ancient hillfort? he slaps the name castle on it regardless of wether it was called that before (which it might have been seeing as the locals weren't that well educated on the bronze/iron ages)
TL:DR- a lot of these locations have names that were assigned by 18th century military logic, not by modern archaeological logic.
Basically a more complex version of all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
Then you have these places which are influenced by different styles and fusing them together and it's a big convoluted mish mash (though admittedly can be quite beautiful if done right) that is really tough to classify.
I don't doubt this episode was tough to do. I can really hear in your voice how tough this was to tackle. We appreciate the work you do though!
250 likes 109 comments and only 1 view...
Yep nothing wrong here.
You guys are all me!
I saw the one view and I was like, YES! I'M EARLY FOR ONCE! And then I saw the 373 likes and 154 comments and then this comment and I was like, oh. I'll never be early.
wtf it has been staying on 1 view for a while, youtube's drunk
This. Video. Was. AWESOME!
How does this video have 48 comments, 110 likes, but only one view?
Y'all need to finish watching what Shad put soooo much work into!
I wonder how people have the nerve to unlike this magnificent video
You know what would be interesting to see? A village progression, among the lines of an average yet slightly unfortunate settlement in terms of being attacked, starting from nothing and explaining how the settlement would progress, preferably in 3D (like how you reconstructed castles from movies), in random parts of the past, using that time's tech, to progress and thrive. You can make that into some kind of RPG series, at least after a tutorial showing people how to make a standardized setup so you can patch things together quickly, having multiple people take part into an in-video re-enactment of a medieval strategy game. Like with any other RPG series, you gotta choose what to invest in, while making your settlement, and that includes the kinds of skills that would be welcome there.
Thanks to your channel I started asking questions about our family during medieval times. My mother's side is Hungarian and turns out we are directly related to the Csáky family who where the last private owners of Spiš Castle in Slovakia before it was given to the state. I love your channel and keep up the good work!
So what you're saying is the system of architectural naming conventions is baroque?
I think he's saying the "system" is bolloques. :p The thing with architectural styles is that they tend to be applied after the fact, because no architect but the most vain would name his own style, and even of those that do, very few rise to the level of fame where their personal style becomes a worldwide trend. The names "Gothic" and "Romanesque" were both coined in the Early Modern Period for instance, long after those styles had gone out of fashion in favour of Renaissance architecture. Incidentally, both were also originally meant to be derogative, but fortunately they lost that connotation over the centuries.
I would say it is byzantine.
Greetings!
I randomly found your channel tied to video game and movie castle reviews -- and all I can say is THANK YOU for pointing out so many of the critical details and "Hollywood" flaws that get mashed together into what most people perceive as "castles".
This video is wonderful because it's along the exact same lines -- how castles transitioned from a purely functional / military construct to more of a stylized exposition of wealth, power, and style. Hah, and yes, the terminology is maddening. :)
Keep up the great work! I eagerly await your next episode.
The frustration in this video has completely made my day.
I'm new here. Literally watched video after video after video all morning. I think I'll stay.
Congratulations on your pronunciation of _Neuschwanstein_ , it was inspiring.
Fun fact: Neuschwanstein's surroundings are so defensible because Vorder- and Hinterhohenschwangau (Fore- and Hind-Hohenschwangau), two smaller castles, had stood there before.
This has been one of the best videos I've ever seen on youtube!
i could watch your architecture videos all day.
Found your channel by RUclips recommendation "accident" and i am so glad about that, extremely good content and inemaginable level of quality. Sincerely a new fan from Brazil
Yeay! Moar facts about castles that I do not yet!
In all seriousness, I learn a lot about castle from this chanel. And for this, Shad, I thank you!
Architects need to get together and fix this! Also send more of those hot building pics lol.
I feel like I just watched a 2 hour documentary in 15 mins. Man, Shad you are just a beast when it comes to information dropping.
Some of these structures are breathtaking!
THE KING HAS RETURNED ALL HAIL KING SHADIVERSITY
HAIL!
HAIL!
always fun to watch a video of someone who clearly has passion for his subject.
This isn't confusing at all 🙃
"cAHsuHL"
Actually I wanted to point out here the German differentiation between Burg and Schloss, but while I tipped you pointed it out in the video, I'm once more impressed. And yes, Neuschwanstein is not a fortified Burg, it's Schloss Neuschwanstein, a pure prestige building.
As a German I have to say your pronunciation of Neuschwanstein has gotten pretty good :D The first time I've ever heard you say that name I honestly had to laugh. I believe it was in your real castle vs. Fantasy video. Sorry about that, but it was a really funny pronunciation xD
Bücherdrache I agree I actually just wanted to write the same:)
German is not easy without some German ancestry or teaching. But some peoples original languages make them worse in speaking German than those from English language.
BTW English is spoken first by Anglo-Saxons which were German tribes. ;)
MFlax It depends on your primary language. Learning to pronounce German from knowing Russian was super easy for me at least, since a lot of sounds are similar. English has a different phonetic set, though.
I know people from languages with a similar phonetic set. They are doing great in German. Not even a slight accent. So I know it can be done.
But there are other people who will never get rid of their accents. I know a French lady which is very good in English and German but she is still keeping a little accent. It's small but you can still hear it. Maybe just because I know her.
And for me? People tell me I'm good in English. But when I ask, they'll have to admit that I still have a German accent to it. Therefore I'll admire anybody who is good in adopting something additional to his mother's tongue. It's no easy task!
Your pronounciation of Neuschwanstein has improved quite a bit
A castle video from Shad? I see my birthday has come early this year!
do a fantasy re-armed on dryads/ents :D
Ents I understand, because they are basically walking trees, so there would be much to talk about. But dryads are not the same kind of tree-person as an ent; they're tree nymphs. They're pretty much human.
Your legendary effort on a epic topic is greatly appreciated O mighty and wise castle oracle. Prays to you for such generosity with your knowledge and time.
1 view, 216 likes. RUclips, you're drunk.
They use different systems to poll views and likes .
They should make it so you can't like/dislike a video until it's been watched first.
Ayyyy shad pulled through with this one
Shad -- I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. If you ever want to come visit and actually see the Cathedral of Learning, let me know! This area of the United States has plenty of nerdy activities, from intersting architectural sites to historical battles from the US Civil War to board game conventions!
I love your videos and have broadly shared some of them with friends, keep it up!
Great "rant" and yes "classifications" don't always make sense in part because no one really gives that much in depth thought when they first make them. You really hit the nail on the head. Your descriptions reminded me of a building I once worked in, the Metropolitan Life North Building, now known as Eleven Madison, in New York City. Technically it is an "Art Deco" skyscraper but because of WWI it was literally cut "short." so it tends to look sort of castle keep like. One thought about crenelations ... if your structure is above the normal range of arrows do you really need any defense against arrows in the first place?
Christopher Beattie no
no what?
I do not have words to describe, just... Wow amazing...
I'm gonna take a shot of vodka every time you say "castle" in this video.
I'll be dead by minute 3.
That Pitsburg thingy looks more like a skyscraper, from afar at least
My school is built in the neo-gothic style.
Look up Central Catholic High School Pitts. PA
Is also down the street from the cathedral of learning and my crew team will go there to run up and down the steps.
Its funny, I was just looking at a picture of the cathedral of learning in a magazine and thinking about how it qualifies as neogothic when he brought it up.
Can't honestly say I have a better handle on the classifications now.. but I LOVED seeing all the castles anyway! :-D
In portuguese we use the word "Castelo" (castle) to refer to the fortified medieval structure like you do and we generally use "palace" to refer to neo-gothic and more recent structures. For early 20th century large houses or town houses we say "Casa apalaçada" (palace-like house).
Wow ... that all actually made sense to me. Well done! :)
Love this rant about proper use of terminology. Dutch has the words "slot" (surrounded by water), "burcht" (keep), "kasteel" (general term for an impressive building complex: royal, baronial as well as midievil, ) and "vesting" (definitely for military purposes, literally: fortress). Neogothic is just an architectural style which resembles a gothic style.
I am glad to hear of the term Scottish Baronial. I spent a week in the Dumbarton Overtoun House, and was told the government classified it as a Grand Estate and not a castle, the only dividing factor being the creation date post 1850.
It would stand to reason that they would not use such a term as Scottish Baronial or Neo-Gothic.
The building is extremely beautiful and the adjacent bridge is often found in lists of spooky places to visit
Confused learning is some of my favorite learning, like your video about the differences between short swords, bastard swords, long swords (arming swords), and great swords, despite the terminologies getting all mixed up by historians and media.
I love this channel and it always makes me want to learn more. I would be especially grateful for a litte subtitle now and then with the name of whatever we're looking at so I could research it more myself later (like the building at 8:57, that's a cracking design, I'd love to know where that is) Thanks for always keeping us interested!
Wow, that was confusing but I think I was able to follow along pretty well. I think. lol
Pure awesomeness and quality material... as always!
I may be 3 years late but that’s because I was in a coma for taking a shot every time shad says the word ‘castle’
Wow, you really went all out on this video. This is worth watching again.
1:12 my heart is broken I was so ready for the shout!
..... uhhhh..... I'm going to have to watch this again.... maybe take some notes to get this straight.....
try 0.75 speed, that takes him down to talking normally
+Riesenfriese
At first I thought you were joking, but I actually had to do this, and there were even times when I wanted to go to 0.50...
Garabaldi: I couldn't figure out if that was even real. It's super well manicured. And that place is flipping gorgeous!
I came for the Swords!!! I stayed for the Architecture!!!!
Shad can you do a video showing what would be a really good army in the medieval period ?
Never thought about the difference in definition between 'slot' and 'borg' in Danish, but you're totally right! Same as German, similar words (languages are very related Germanic languages), just never thought about it. Thanks for the eye-opener!
Right, so to sum it up, Castles are the traditional defensive structures, Baronial applies to castle like structures that don't prioritize defense, and Neo-Gothic is a set of design features that can be applied to either. Did I get that right?
YES!
That's a bit of an oversimplification on Gothic's part. It's true that Neo-Gothic is a bit of a mess, with a lot of things that look vaguely medieval classified as Neo-Gothic despite often being a ludicrous mess of Gothic, Romanesque, Renaissance and sometimes even Baroque or Rococo styles. However, there's a lot more to genuine Gothic than style; rather the very well-known stylistic features of Gothic are the result of some significant advances in engineering, and it's those that really typify Gothic, which also makes me have some issues with Shad's assertion that cathedrals are Gothic but castles aren't. Anyway, I'm making a response video to this; ought to be up later today.
Took slightly longer than I'd hoped, but here's the response video I promised: ruclips.net/video/NGeXIO4h544/видео.html
YES! CASTLE VIDEO!
I personally love your commentaries on architecture and castles.
I really love the Biltmore house because of it’s neo-gothic details and architecture. It’s a really beautiful estate and home.
Listening to this at 2x
All im hearing is "castle, jumble of words, castle, castle, more words, castle, building, castle".
Loved the video btw
Love this stuff.
I don't know about English, but in French Castle is a word that while it originally referred to the defensive complex, came to evolve to designate a living complex built for nobles, then rich families in general. For example, the Castle of Cheverny (famous for being drawn as Marlinspike in Tintin) has no defensive feature and is only called a castle because it was the residence of a noble, as all castle built in the 16th onward were due to the obsolescence of the medieval defensive structures.
i'm honestly just glad we have 2 words for castle in German. schloss and burg. fortifications with actual utility? => burg. residence for good lords and ladies with gothic looks? => schloss (or if it small and almost mansion like => schlösschen)
edit: ok nevermind , i shouldn't write comments while watching, i'm actually happy you mentioned this :D
Damn it Shad. Every time I feel like my DnD campaign is realistic enough with it's descriptions of architecture, you come along and make me rethink it all.
Curses!
But seriously, these neogothic blokes weren't thinking about dragons, were they?
Clark, what do you think about the wide open space in front of the castle at 11:10?
Is that space about esthetics or do they need that giant chess board space?
Trevor Cormier I saw that and it immediately reminded me of the old Three Musketeers movie from the 70s. In it, the king had a giant chess board and used humans as the pieces. Funny scene, but illustrated the opulence. I think this could be similar, where an owner is flashing his wealth. Additionally, this can double as a pavilion for parties and gatherings, dances.
When you have that much money, why not build a giant chess board? But I do think it served multiple purposes, not only aesthetically, which is also is. It's beautiful.
Makes sense.
How do you handle the "no one wants to play human" in your campaigns?
Personally, there is always so much temptation to play the most exotic race you can. Which leads to a party of weirdos(when you think about it)
Trevor Cormier I've never had that problem, actually. Usually have a good 50/50 split. So far....
Watch, I just jinxed myself.
Very nice. I found that most players really like the different races. It's tough to get them to play human because they are seen as "vanilla"
We, in school, called mediaeval castles feudal burgs, while castles (dvorac) appeared during the baroque era. So we call Versailles, Schönbrunn and later structures castles, but earlier mediaeval structures feudal burgs or just burgs.
Was afraid my mind would melt halfway into the video, but we're still ok!
I remember going to the Cathedral of Learning when I was a teenager. We didn't do much other than see some of the classrooms and walk around the courtyard, but it was neat to see from what I remember.
9:22 same in Hungarian (to my knowledge), "vár" is a castle that defends a point or city etc and that's where the Hungarian word for "city" comes from, "város" (vár) and the other word for castle is " kastély" which is more like a palace or building that looks like a castle (like you pointed out) and in hungarian we have two or more words to describe something that only has one word in english for example, car= "auto"(formal) & "kocsi" which is less formal,or in english you would rather say "smell"(good or bad) even though there "stink" but for us we use both words more commonly depending on context
, " illat"(good smell) & " szag" (vad smell),they both mean "smell" but actually the word for "stink" is "büdös". Hungarian is a very contextual language and sorry for dragging this on for so long. Hope you learnt something new :)
considering ''Castle'' comes from Castellum(a fortified tower) which in turn comes from castrum a military fortified area, any building regardless of its resemblance to a an actual castle shouldn't really be called like that if it wasn't build with that purpose
Shad casts confusion.
You are confused.