YouTubes New Update Destroys Twitch Affiliate!
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Twitch Sub splits are solved.... by moving to RUclips! RUclips just announced amazing updates and changes that make it so every Small Streamer has the chance to finally get monetized.
The update has made major improvements that allow for Small RUclipsrs and particular streamers to unlock and start using fan funding earlier, this means Memberships, superchats, and more all at a better creator split than other platforms.
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Why Is Twitch Discovery Not Good for Small Streamers
Twitch sorts their categories by most viewers, which means it is what we call a Kingmaker system, essentially when one Streamer gets lots of viewers, they rise to the top of the category or get more recommendations causing them to get more viewers who come browsing Twitch.
So beginners or small streamers often sit right down at the bottom of the categories and never get any clicks, because nobody scrolls down 20,000 streamers to find them, and nobody uses the filters over here to check by recommended or smallest despite what you might hope.
In reality, very few even check categories, most Viewers actually go straight to their Follower List or Favourite streamer meaning discovery on Twitch is relatively slow to start out.
Think about it, when you type twitch.tv into your bar, it usually auto-completes to your favourite streamers channel, not to a specific category or the homepage.
This kingmaker system has led to A LOT of outcry from smaller creators asking Twitch to do more for them and their discovery and in turn the same reason why educators such as myself or harris often push you guys to diversify across other platforms with algorithms such as TikTok or RUclips… even if you hate that advice with all your heart.
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0:00 Why Streamers Stay On Twitch
0:36 Sponsor Segment!
1:10 How To Reach Monetisation On RUclips
2:15 The Problem With RUclips Streaming Monetisation
2:35 Why It Was So Difficult To Monetise On RUclips
3:10 How RUclips Is Making It Easier For Streamers
4:35 The Most Important Part Of Fan Funding
5:17 How Fast I Monetised My RUclips Channel
6:21 Should You Move To RUclips Streaming?
6:52 Why I Wouldn't Recommend Kick Streaming
What Is The New RUclips Update?
Channel page updates are rolling out right now slowly and should be rolled out for everyone by the end of the year, this means now Videos, Shorts, and Live Streams will have their own tabs on the channel, if you’ve uploaded each of them…
no more unlisting Live streams, and of course that means, no more losing watch hours, but more importantly, uploading shorts without making your channel page look terrible and harder to locate your main videos.
Quickly as well, they are experimenting with a new recommendation tool on channel pages so the subs who visit get videos or content on your channel recommended to them based on what they enjoy most, so if someone subscribed to you for shorts, they’ll see shorts rather than videos when they come to your channel.
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I know you might think Its a "Hot-Take" at the end, but I am being genuine, tell me why I should waste my time on a platform that is missing every single thing that matters to small creators, while harming those creators long term credibility, sustainability, and more?
Bonus update: One of the heads of Kick has openly admitted today that view counts have been inflated, and they were hardcoding gambling streams to be pushed to viewers.
And because of people like myself, who are openly critical of the platform and its failing, they've taken steps to improve this by lowering (not removing) the amount of hardcoded gambling recommendations, and also making it so view counts aren't being AS inflated.
So, back to my original point, rather than defend and make excuses for a platform you want to succeed, be critical, be constructive, point out where they are wrong and what they're failing at.
I hope Kick continues to listen to us and improves, both for the entire industries sake AND for the people commenting I am wrong despite now having Kick themselves admit and back up several of my points.
Not just genuine but also correct
Absolutely not a hot-take, long overdue that someone actually says it, honestly you should do a complete video on why kick is not an alternative.
While I'm not an advocate for Kick, I do want to correct a fact. Kick DOES NOT pay for their service, AWS is NOT OWNED by twitch, and that is the service used by both. Verified live by the twitch CEO himself. Yes, they are similar, but kick DOES NOT pay twitch for anything. They are their own separate service paid for by STAKE, which is a gambling and casino company. Also, they DO NOT promote gambling and/or casino anything on their site unless you are specifically in that category, which is still a problem but not as bad as people say it is. I'm still pro RUclips with minimal like for twitch. Personal opinions at the end indeed.
@@Powerlip11 well the whole reason the service was made is so people can stream gambling on stake, also imo putting a lot of gambling streams in the recommended feed is considered promoting gambling, tho you're definitely right that aws is not owned by twitch, like obviously, like youtube also doesn't own Google, really don't get how people fuck that up, like pokimane also made a fool of herself for assuming that xD
@@Powerlip11 He said that Kick pays "Twitch's dad," which is correct. He does say it wrong at first, but corrects himself.
This is a huge change for the better. I'm relieved to hear your thoughts on Kick. I was exploring it & even set up an account, but was still on the fence about actually streaming there. There is some really questionable content over there, from just the small amount of browsing through the channels I've done. I run a family-friendly stream and it just doesn't seem like a good fit. I already have a RUclips channel where I post a little of my gaming content, so it seems like a no brainer to give it a shot.
Hey EJ, your videos helped me get started years ago. I switched to YT right before these changes and bc I have better content on here. This has been good news, thanks for all the great vids.
I've not used Twitch, I use RUclips. I like some of the tools that Twitch provides from a viewer standpoint. I think RUclips offer a much more holistic tool set that helps discoverability beyond just streams. You can stream, VOD, long form edited videos, shorts, community posts, clips .. so many ways to get discovered. BUT RUclips is harder because you need to niche down more for discoverability until you're large. As a Minecraft creator, if I suddenly started adding other games it would most likely be harder to be discovered because it 's now a variety channel. Twitch SEEMS more friendly to that sort of mentality, even if general discoverability is challenging.
That said - I'll never go to Kick. Or Trovo. Steam. Facebook. Whatever .. because they have no audience. There is no point. At all. And with Kicks shaky and relatively nonexistent policies that would be the worst thing for your brand.
Just made my move slowly from twitch to youtube as a main platform during the last two week to prepare bots and clean up the content i'd do here. Got motivated by your own video on making that move. While I know I still could use the platform better, I gotta say that you've been a good part of the last trigger motivating that scary change. The 1% of the community that were the most there came with me and that is, I believe, on the long term, the right decision. Thanks a ton for the guidance!
Thanks for doing these videos. Really appreciate them and am glad I found you. I've taken a long hiatus from any streaming because of life and work, but definitely going to get back into it and try both platforms this time. Thanks for giving me lots of ideas too.
I love this ❤ I think I got lucky with one video meeting the old requirements so quickly and I could understand how this will help people enter the program so much more easily, and that is wonderful for the community. Thank goodness for steps in the right direction.
This is exactly why I've begun focusing a lot more on my RUclips channel, and streaming once a week there. Also, based take on Kick. Another great vid Eljay.
I'm getting ready to start streaming again, and your vids are so helpful! Thanks!
I've been thinking about making the switch to YT for a while and I think this sold me for good! I love the community feel on twitch, but YT is just so much better to their creators, and being able to stream AND publish videos gives me more creativity options!!
That's why I'm switching its THE creator hub. Community post, shorts, videos, live streams with vods that never go away. I still have question like does live watch hours count toward the 3k goal but hey I'll be goin live on the 2nd/3rd haha
@@Br4vado pretty sure the live hours do count!
@@Br4vado Live watch hours count unless you delete the vod later, if you delete it any point those live watch hours will go away too.
I want to use YT more as well, but I def get more hate on my shorts then any other platform. It consistanty makes me feel like I can't grow, as for twitch/tiktok I get more love in my chats . Some communities just have better vibes
Thanks for the replies and honestly as far as negativity that's just part of being on the internet I constantly get slammed on reddit for my content but that's part of my current niche where I can advertise it. Just gotta roll through it and keep on keeping on. I know u can set to hold comments but I either delete them, which I know will turn people off the channel. But if they r that negative I don't want them around anyway. But other than a comment or two saying my content is mediocre and a occasional dislike I know it's the best spot for me to grow currently. And I would take the criticism and opinions to make my next piece better... if they were actual critics haha but I know I need to work on my presentation and consistency. But I struggle with the ol I'd rather it be out than perfect but I also want it.to be perfect and my organization is a mess haha eitherway I can take criticism if it were actual criticism and not just "your bad, this sucks, please stop" aha
As a viewer, I find the experience of watching a stream on RUclips significantly inferior to Twitch. Twitch uses the screen space a lot better, for one thing and there are more features for the chat panel which is also a lot bigger on Twitch. RUclips also hasn't yet grasped that I want to be able to put the chat panel beside a livestream, but the comments panel below an uploaded video.
I spent my first 15 months streaming to Twitch, RUclips, and Facebook Gaming. I think every single person who is considering streaming consistently should do the multi-platform thing. The discoverability on Facebook and RUclips is largely why I have a following. However, I'm on Twitch exclusively, for now -- the audience I had built, I consolidated to there, and it has been great. I really do want to stream on RUclips, but there are a few things holding me back, and the biggest is the user experience. However, I've been thinking about going more towards long-form content, and streaming less, so, RUclips will likely be where I head next.
Also, the lack of viewers on Kick is the reason I'm not considering the platform. Right now, Kick, is a place where a lot of streamers go to check out streams, but not viewers... and it shows. Streamers have brought their communities over, but those communities aren't exactly browsing other streams, they go back to Twitch to browse.
A few viewers once told me, "I go to RUclips to watch videos, and Twitch to watch streams." (when I asked about streaming on RUclips)
It's important to remember RUclips has billions of users, and they're slowly becoming stream watchers, the difference is sending them to twitch is a link click to leave the platform, to a place they might not have an account.
Just being live in front of them, well that's the power of RUclips and the system they're using for growing streams.
ABSOLUTLY AN AMAZING VIDEO!! Thank you for keeping me from going to Kick! commented this before seeing the end lol
For those who want to work as a streamer, don't. get a job that pays the bills immediately and build up your socials and community as a hobby.
If you do find yourself lucky to stream full time then still don't...give it some time and think about it seriously, if you think it will provide a level of STABLE income (not fully stable but stable enough) then do it.
Otherwise keep it as a hobby and you should just enjoy the ride and have fun!
^ this and more this. I dont think people realize when your self employed, insurance for example. its stupid expensive if your paying it all on ya own, add in the fact you gotta pay ya own taxes. unemployment tax in the US for example is 15%, most states take another 15% off the top, so 30% of ya income gone right there. Oh and if you make enough money you gotta file those taxes quarterly, not at the end of the year, and if you mess it up, the IRS is going to make you wish you never tried to be self employed. The scariest part of being self employed [aka a streamer] hope you dont have a natural disaster, a major part break in ya pc, or a medical emergency, cause unless you got big enough that ya evergreen content like YT ad rev can support you, if you depend on sub/membership rev and your not providing new content cause your flat on ya back recovering from whatever. You're in deep doodoo with zero safety net. I've watched a few small streamers who felt like they were making enough to go 'full time' fall on their face sooooo hard because they ignored all of the above.
I've echo'd the idea of making sure your stable with a full-time job before shifting a lot, it's just not a stable career. :)
@@StreamScheme the sad reality is that despite you as a streamer, video producer, script writer etc saying this truth, a lot of people see your successes and think that you're somehow lying to them and they want/choose to ignore reality and the absolute hardships that comes with streaming, script writing and overall content creating.
Just sadly a fact that people ignore the hard work and only want to see an easy way to fame/riches/whatever it may be.
Awesome news, thank you for doing a video on this!
Yeah I love the new changes to RUclips, was thinking of jumping across to it once I got some stuff sorted with OBS and stuff and have the time to do both
Thats a great update, though looking into it it isn't here in Australia yet. Hopefully when it does I am up to those requirements, or even better, at the higher requirements.
Fire tips bro thank you so much this is so helpful for my channels
I am happy someone as experienced as you in the content creating scene mentioned kick! I am also happy you brought up a lot of issues with kick! I have been streaming on it last couple months with my colleagues, and it was so many genuine people I experienced! I believe it is in a tight situation with the back and forth but as you said, in a short matter of months it will be a true competition! btw I am also small and growing just to give a different perspective, keep up the good work with streaming updates 💜🔥
Thanks you for the very informative videos. I hope to create content someday and will be prepared to do so because of your videos ❤
The new tier on RUclips is fantastic news, I don't do streaming myself but I've been struggling to get going on YT, so 1k seemed so so far away, it was demoralizing thinking about it. 500 subs still requires you to work hard to grow but you can reach a reward for your hard work much sooner. I love that YT did this.
Where can you find information of this new lower tier? When im looking on youtube studio all i find is the "old" requirements. Im far from reaching it but would be nice to see if the new page is faster on updateing the Valid public watch hours :)
Links in description :)
@@StreamScheme Thanks a lot man, too bad its not implemented in Sweden yet :(
These are all positive developments especially for micro channels, also thanks for addressing the "Kick" problem
Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking this is RUclips Affiliate. It's harder to reach than on twitch if you're only streaming but if you can make content in short form and long form from those streams, you're set.
Edit: On the topic of kick, I checked out it and they're missing a key component to their strategy. Discovery. Just like you said, discovery is more important than any other part of the service. You could provide 8k streaming for free with 1ms of lag and it won't matter (not that they're doing that, its just an example). As far as the racism and homophobia accusations, I haven't heard anything about that. I tend to take those with a grain of salt because 99% of the time those things get thrown around, they're not true to the extent people claim. It's not like kick doesn't let people who aren't white or straight use their site or stream there.
so based on these changes and twitch's constant pressure of making sure we don't ever get enough money. As a starting streamer (I stream on another channel as a joint stream with me and my fiance), do you think it would be worth it to just swap over to youtube while we are still in the beginning phases of our streaming journey?
I know that the numbers for youtube live aren't nearly as good as twitch viewers but given that most of the people watching twitch are usually watching the top 1 percent, I can see why people would consider switching.
What's your opinion on the matter?
I'm preparing to jump into streaming myself, and for me, Twitch is a better option right now because I'm not restricted from earning money due to what country I live in (Barbados), like I am with RUclips.
RUclips's list of countries where a user can earn money from Adsense doesn't apply to mine and while I could indeed make money from sponsorships, that'll take a long time to achieve.
I really liked your points here! Also I spotted myself in the chat on your one clip!!😅 I have only streamed to RUclips once, but have continued to grow my youtube channel to reach Partner! I wish RUclips would add Raids like Twitch has!!
Solid advice. I wanna try youtube now for sure.
I wanna make the switch to YT but I'm so nervous ;-; I don't know how to make shorts, do I use just bits from my streams? Idk
Starting out just take small interesting bits from your streams to make shorts till you get the hang of it. Once you know how to make shorts its a lot easier to make content specifically for shorts.
Thanks for the vid. Do you have a source link for your bonus update?
In the description
Thanks for info, youre really nice content creator inspiring for moreeee
Would you recommend any of your advice/content for someone who is trying to revive their channel that once had a decent following? Or would you recommend starting from scratch?
Doesn't change anything, its about making good content, new channel, old channel, the goal is picking an audience and creating valuable satisfying content for them.
I have seen some questionable things on Kick but at the same time when some other platforms started there was questionable things. I hope going forward that it does change. I will see when I'm able to stream again.
Hello I'm having trouble with my camera on twitch it keeps on doing this other multi layer thing does anyone know how to fix it
I think this change is great for small channels 😀
Is there a bot that can be used to simulate channel/loyalty points for YT or other steaming sites that isn't streamelements or am I incorrect for not wanting to use them?
if there is one, I havnt found it uet. Its why I havnt made the switch to YT. a huge potion of my bits income comes from people throwing crap at me, There is a OBS plug in called Twitch integrated throwing system, and I have it set to the first can of soda I get beamed in the head with is free [channel points] but after that it cost bits, and chat loves to use it. That plug in as much as the devs have tried, has zero compatibility on YT.
Yeah, Truffle but it’s currently invite only still until they can get larger :)
Hi! But RUclips exposure is non existing when streaming right? Thanks
Nope, RUclips’s discovery for streams is incredibly powerful when done right.
I never would go to Kick either. I am loving my experience on Twitch. A bit scared of moving to RUclips. It still seems a difficult platform to crack into. Maybe in the future I will give it a go.
Love your content.
I have started to upload content on my youtube channel after a few years away, how do i get more viewers? how do i make shorts? i will apretiated your help or some other person too.
I completely agree! Kick has way to many issues with way to many subjects to even think about touching it anytime soon, and such a great point about the brands who are willing to work with kick as well!
Your video's are always great and insightful but I'm always left feeling like there less helpful for people doing content creation in their spar time I work 40 hours a week and it was a chore to hit affiliate on twitch. I try to upload let's plays and other videos on RUclips but with limited time after working my full time job and streaming 4 nights a week it doesn't leave much time for me to push out quality youtube content.
I mod for a streamer who pretty much does it most days of the week, he finds it extremely challenging to create videos on YT as his content is focussed on community support for the game he plays. If you manage to find time for 1 video a week or fortnight for your let's plays that could work well. I do occasionally edit vods to help my bro. Whatever pace that is flexible for you I think is All that matters 😉
@cootason I appreciate the help, and I'm not going to pretend there isn't more I can be doing. I just find it challenging to put in the time, and what I have been doing is showing very slow growth on RUclips.
I'm in the same boat, it's definitely more challenging with a 40 hour per week job. I'm too small to pay anyone to help me and I'm a team of 1. I'm always hoping for some advice for creators like us.
Hey! I've covered this a few times.
To clarify, I worked 3 Jobs for the first year or so as a creator, alongside trying to be a creator.
I worked 9-5, 7 days a week.
Streamed from 7:15 to late 5 nights a week, and after 6 -7 months when I was 50 - 80 average I started doing weekly videos on SSN.
I didn't quit my other jobs until I was earning 3x a month from content, than what I did in my 3 jobs.
I've talked about it a lot in videos, how it was tiring, and meant I had no time or energy for anything outside of content creation, it paid off, but I can't recommend it weirdly.
If I could start again, I'd purely just work on RUclips until that was big enough, as it would allow a more sustainable work life balance until I was large enough to move over and focus on content solely.
@@StreamScheme Thanks for sharing that. I must have just missed it before. That's a grind, good to hear your perspective having done that.
I like that RUclips does that! But it is just in a couple of countrys available. I hope they make it soon public for everyone :)
there is also a 4th reason there copyright and demonetization rules i do a lot of different things on stream when i was streaming on yt i got banned for just reacting to videos
I don't think RUclips is ready for streaming. I've watched countless large content creators stream on RUclips while their stream was lagging, cutting out, etc...
There are many reasons why that could be the case, it can be your internet, the streamers internet, the streamers pc can't handle the workload, the streamer could be using a high bit-rate that causes buffering for viewers with slower internet....the list goes on. I wouldn't say it's always a RUclips issue.
RUclips can be a bit buggy at times but I've personally had far more bad experiences with Twitch streams as a viewer. Like, Twitch will just refuse to load certain streams for me on desktop but will work fine on mobile or vice versa. Very annoying when it happens
Never had issues like these on RUclips streams ?
I've never had any issues with RUclips quality other than learning about the chat delay and how to set the stream so that chat delay is low. If their internet is bad or whatever that isn't RUclips's fault.
I started twitch 3 months ago and have grow to 112 in that time frame. So my question here, Does having a new channel help, rather then an old account I have had for years? I am in for the marathon not the race! I just need to find my people! I have 17k on tiktok but getting people to come to my YT or Twitch has been a struggle.
I’ve been recommended lately some gaming channels that have started from 0 subs and have over 1000 subs within them being on here for like 4 months. I’ve seen some twitch streamers make partner over on RUclips first because they’re consistent with their content. It really depends on how bad you want it and finding your niche honestly.
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Dam and I was about to download kick as well not doing it now lol
I streamed on both platforms. Started on youtube, then switched to Twitch. There are pro's and con's for both platforms. RUclips pays better and automatically keeps all your streams as vods without time limit and has better discoverability in general. But on Twitch the time delay between streamer and viewer is significantly lower than on RUclips and it offers alot more ways for the streams to be interactive (and interactivity is one of the main selling points for live-streams). Setting up streams on RUclips also takes more time. For one thing you'd want to make new thumbnails before each stream, or live with reusing the same thumbnail numerous times. There's also much less options for integration with other software and plugins with RUclips than there is for Twitch. And then there's RUclips's content ID system which get's abused all the time, even on small channels. I speak from experience. On Twitch there's less of a risk of getting an invalid strike from what I understand. So far I have a better experience streaming on Twitch and I think its better to use my RUclips channel only for uploading my music, and not to confuse the algorithm by also streaming on it. When I did that it hurt my channel as probably the algorithm had trouble knowing who to recommend my video's to. So I think in my case it's best to keep it all separated. That's also what alot of the pro's do: keep a separate vod channel next to their main channel.
You mention diversifying by streaming both on twitch and youtube. I would be worried about people supporting monetarily on one platform, and then feeling annoyed if they watched on another platform and didn't get to reap those benefits. What thoughts do you have about this?
It’s not something you should worry about to be honest, especially because RUclips should be focused on shorts and videos first.
Would you be willing to talk about starting a youtube channel and finding your "voice" or "audience." Been watching you a while and I find myself thinking a lot about my own streaming experience and such and would like your opinion. I find you are 100% right about the need to diversify and out of several platforms I'm on, I feel like despite watching youtube since the early days, it's changed so much that I am lost about making my own channel from scratch.
I’ve covered RUclips growth several times on the channel :)
Does RUclips have an extension like quiz kit?
Quizzes are built in to community posts, but there are polls and Q&A’s built into stream
Still waiting for this update for my channel. I have the watch hours just over 600subs and average 5000 views per video. It would be nice to get some monetisation features now but I guess YT isnt giving these options out to everyone.
Thanks for confirming all my thoughts about KICK
My personal thought was "It's just emulating twitch, but worse."
youtube will still cut your stream off at a slight hint of copyrighted music which is a big deal for rhythm gamers the "don't play copyrighted music lol" argument won't work for rhythm games
with twitch atleast after you finished streaming they just mute out the parts with copyrighted music on the vod
And that’s okay? I don’t know what the point of this is though as I say in this video I’m not telling everyone to leave or move.
I specifically say use the platforms for you, and diversify so you can find the best place for you.
I've never experienced this. I've had situations like someone played copyright music over voice chat and I had to hurry up and mute the person. After the stream was over the video would get demonetized but all I had to do was mute the portion of the video with the copyrighted music and they monetized the live stream again.
so i have made the switch from twitch to kick 9 days ago lets be honest the tools deff suck my stream quality feels worse (like i strema in 1080p and i get vods in 720p aka unusable for shorts content) but there is some positives nr.1 the small streamers like to support each other (i got raided on the first day by one a bit bigger then me) and the avg viewership is higher than twitch in my cathegory (apex legends spesifically streams with time delay of about 3 minutes) there is downlides to it to which is the interaction.... its literally 0 so its a win loose situation atm and i am seriously considering moving to yt aswell
I don't like watching streams on other platforms because I miss my twitch emotes
I guess that one of the things twitch has over youtube is the prime sub. People are more willing to throw that at you than spending actual money
A video about youtube let’s go 🥳🥳🥳
“I would have been monetized in a month.”
Me- flailing in the waters for three years at this point with only 292 subs: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.
I dont know if I will ever switch to RUclips, especially not for streams. My main reason is that most if not all of the people I interact with on Twitch use Twitch as a streaming site and RUclips to upload their highlights and long form edited content. Its a system that works quite well but I simply dont have the time to keep up with, i have another job next to streaming to pay the bills and combined with still trying to stream 3-4 times a week I just dont have the time to also do videos AND then shortform content.
How do you guys even do this without dying of exhaustion in a month (thats what happened to me when I tried it).
I love streaming and love creating but the volatile landscape of the sites confuses me every day and my standard reaction is to just stick to what I know and I've finally come to a point where I somewhat understand Twitch's UI and dont wanna start having to learn RUclipss one.
To be honest, the reason most people can stream full-time is because they're actually RUclipsrs full-time first.
Videos live forever, and bring in ad revenue or fan funding long term, they get you viewers, and those viewers watch streams.
Most people who try only Stream struggle for the very reasons you mentioned.
@@StreamScheme that makes sense thanks, I'm working towards getting my first longer form edited video essay out as something to experiment with. Who knows what will happen with that but for now it's fun to try out
Kick is glitchy but they are a new platform like truvo and the good this now there are four platforms to grown on so stream on the platform that works for you and remember happy streaming 🤩
Right. But, as a chat you can't try to sabotage the streamer from messing up. Like playing a sound that just have a scream sound out of no where.
Yes you can?
@@StreamScheme YOU CAN? :O Does it require channel points or money to do the sabotages though? :O
You can use points based bots like streamelements and Streamlabs, nightbot, for everything or use crowd control to use money to literally interact directly with games, spawning enemies, etc
I think the evaluation of kick is a bit off. Now I havent really used it much, but you see the toxic stuff on both Twitch and youtube. Yes you might see it more frequent on Kick, but its easy just to not watch those streams, just like it is on twitch. You are in control of your own channel. AS far as copyright goes I'm not really sure but Iknow I can search for almost any song on youtube and listen to it on dozen of channels that don't own the copyright. Amazon owning them is a moot point imo. People say they could pull the plug anytime? You know bad the optics would look on that. I say its at least worth trying or making an account to lock up your name at least. It on the ground floor so it might be the place someone needs to get seen. Yes they have a lot of work to do on features but over time that could happen. Twitch started the same way. I'll stay on Twitch for now but I have done one kick stream and it did ok for the circumstances. only 4 followers there but averaged 10 ish viewers
Two major shareholders, and the influencer faces of Twitch spend most of their time spreading racism, transphobia, and homophobia.
This is not the same as seeing it on both platforms.
The optics wouldn't look bad, because Kick has actively broken AWS Terms of service several times already, and they have every right to take action if they wanted. 3 years I've listened to, " Amazon is going to shut twitch down for breaking AWS terms of service" and not people keep saying they wouldn't do it to Kick.
The foot traffic and viewership on the site is tiny, and it has no algorithm so I don't see the logic in trying to be on the ground floor, when it is going to be the same discovery system you use on Twitch... aka make Tiktoks and youtube videos.
I just don't understand why people say to invest time on something when a better option exists in every way and has for over a year, RUclips.
Context and tonal indication because text: Not annoyed tone, just conversational, and chatting.
@@StreamScheme Thanks for nice response. I take everything into consideration with all aspects and life. Im not one to watch big names on any platform but I get there are people that do. Im only here and there for fun at the moment.
Either way it was a good video and worth a discussion. I don't have a dog in the race in any platform.
@@StreamScheme twitch/amazon supports child labor terrible workplace practice's long hours without breaks. And google loves your data.
kick supports encorages muilt streaming, Has and massive 90-5 spilt. And has a vtuber topic. Also at for now the dev team in looking from streamers on how improve. Also kick has no ad's is a benefit itself, but whats import is you can stream on kick and youtube at the same time and very little to no disadavange. Also just a side note people still break copyright on twitch all the time no I don't agree with it but it happens.
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You're using a strawman argument to compare Amazon/Twitch and Kick.
Consumerism and Amazons treatment of workers is a different can of worms than pushing an addictive habit on the level of drugs that is life ruining as well. This is a straw man argument because we both know someone going live to 30,000+ people and promoting slots is different to an evil corporation fighting against unionisation.
Which I obviously don't agree with either.
The idea of comparing Amazon, and Kick is apples and carrots.
Kick is founded because Twitch took a stance against sponsored gambling, they needed to keep converting viewers into their life ruining addiction, so kick was born.
That is its main function.
Bringing up Amazon and its issues, while an important discussion, is a strawman argument when brought up in response to Kick.
It's like if I was talking about how Nestle are stealing water, leaving thousands to die, and someone said, "Yeah, but you have an iPhone"
It's like, "Yeah, I agree, Apple need to be better as well, but in this world I sadly am forced to participate in the system while fighting the system"
A sub split is meaningless when the site has less traffic, and discovery than any other platform.
Kick has no ads because Advertisers DO NOT want to work with them, so instead they hardcore Sponsored gambling streams in as their main way of making revenue, which is a far worse ad.
And yes people break copyright on Twitch, but Kick and their influencer heads openly pushed people to Kick under the idea of it being safer to break copyright.
with new channel and learning skills you mean...
starting from your current level + equipment ?
because it seems rather unlikely for most people to reach that in such a short amount of time imho
I don't think I am saying EVERYONE will reach it in a month? I am just sharing my strategy, and how fast it was.
@@StreamScheme nah all fine, i was just wondering it sounded to me like this.
then ofc you would reach it faster then others to due the learning and equipüment process is way further.
sorry if i made a weird interaction 😀
also "Gee Eljay, you've lost weight!" 👍🏻
Welp that seals the deal for me. I am going to start slowly moving everything over to YT. Even though I only have less than 100 subs, I dont need the twitch subs for an income, its just a hobby for me. YT seems to be just knocking it out of the park, while twitch seems to be just focused only on money coming in.
The biggest reason Kick will fail is because brands/advertisers don't want to be a part of it. They could have as good or better tech than YT/Twitch but until they clean up their community it's destined to fail.
The last 90 seconds of this video is incredibly based.
I don't see this 500 sub requirements anywhere on RUclips studio 🙄
Updates take time to roll out
For me, YT was and is a "free" platform. I don't see people paying a sub on YT, are there any infos or statistics about it? On twitch you still have the chance to get prime subs from people.
I've not had that issue, I've never pushed for paid members on this channel, but have loads.
People just want to support creators.
Quick note i have an avg of 3 viewers on my stream and get 165 hours watch hours in a month streaming 4 times a week 4 times a month for... 4 hours i think you can kinda see a theme wwhat in a year is around 1980 hours watched not counting the possible viewers i could get in that whole journey so affiliate is just a little more difficult than twitch and then obv more easier than kick
As I mentioned in this video, I don’t recommend solely streaming and I think you’d see far more hours watched if you had shorts or videos bringing in traffic as well.
I went from 0-80 average in 5 streams thanks to shorts.
@@StreamScheme shorts don't count towards the watch time requirements and from my experience shorts can actually hurt your channel. @ShinzoShi I got to RUclips partner when the requirement was 4k watch hours with live streaming. Once you reach 5 to 10 average viewers the watch time adds up pretty quick. Things like having a consistent schedule, good thumbnails, titles and descriptions go a long way. I would also recommend learning how to schedule your streams in advance on RUclips.
A saw a video on how easy it is to add bot viewers to your live Kick stream. There’s your growth 😆. But in all honesty a few people I know that joined kick are doing decent but it is very much twitch jr. Personally I’m loving RUclips live streams but everyone has to find there way.
RUclips and Kick are just beating twitch while they are already down on the floor lmao.
Kick isn’t really beating Twitch. Kick is where all the Twitch rejects are going because it’s backed by Saudi Oil Barons and promotes gambling addictions.
The streamers Kick has bought over (yes, bought, not brought) are some of the scummiest streamers out there.
@@dyldonious_5586 Kick doesn’t promote gambling, you don’t get anything from stake unless your already in the gambling catergory. and that means Ninja, XqC, and Cloakzy are twitch rejects???
😂😂😂
I came for the RUclips advice, and now I'm staying for that complete demolishment of Kick. in fact, I'm clipping it and sharing the clip among my VTuber friends.
I think you do an excellent job demystifying the streaming landscape. I watch pretty much all your videos. This is from a professional standpoint (I'm an entertainment analyst by trade covering the creator economy), but also as someone who is a small streamer at a very basic level. While I agree with most of the arguments you make around the benefits of RUclips over Twitch, I do think you down play some of Twitch's strengths over RUclips. The live streaming culture on Twitch is superior to RUclips. Put simply, Twitch has livestreaming at its heart. Viewers who watch on Twitch understand livestreaming culture, the in jokes and the mechanisms. On RUclips you are trying to encourage a VOD audience to be a livestreaming audience as well. There is a big overlap in those behaviours, but I still think they are different. Also, much of the livestreaming features on RUclips only exist because they were innovations that began life on Twitch. I believe Twitch is the only platform which is trying to push what is possible for livestreaming because it is core to their business. RUclips operates like a magpie, waiting to see what Twitch does successfully and then yoinking it. Why does that matter? Well, if you are creator who is a livestreamer at heart, I think sticking with Twitch will give you better engagement tools at your disposal in the long run. I actually think the feature that allows you to easily publish Twitch clips as RUclips Shorts is very good. Plus with simulcasting now a possibility, you can nurture a RUclips audience with a Twitch stream, without having to fully migrate. In other words, the gap between a Twitch streamer's Twitch community and their RUclips audience is narrowing fast. This will go some way to addressing Twitch's discovery problem. I actually think a healthy Twitch, and a healthy RUclips, which encourage cross-audience migration is a real benefit to both. I don't see these platforms competing with each other like they used to, which makes me think more collaboration could be down the line. Therefore, is it really beneficial to fully migrate from one platform to another? I found it very interesting when you talked in a separate video about how much money you made on Twitch compared to RUclips. Thanks for being so candid. It was a great video that spoke a lot about some of the plus points of Twitch streaming, especially if you are able to commit to building a successful community. I guess my point here is that there is more to making money as a livestreaming creator than the value of the sub split. I would like to add that I think you are very fair with your advice, and you give a rounded perspective. Thanks for the videos: They are fantastic resource.
When i watch your vids i take 50% of what you say couse you can't follow someone's word to 100% that just not good, But you saying NO to kick, i give you a lot of respect for that couse anyone that think that is a good platform has a very bad ground morals. that show me a lot what character you have : )
Every things a risk or your just a skeleton with no guts 🧟RRRRRRR
RUclips > Twitch imo because I’m on it more 😂.
I don't want to be a partner or monetize. RUclips seems like a pretty crap place unless you want to make money off it. Twitch is low barrier to entry and gives even new streamers a chance to build a community without making money off them. Addons like BTTV allow small and hobby streamers who don't want to deal with money and taxes while pursuing a hobby to still have their own emotes. YT seems designed to make people (and therefore YT itself) money and nothing else. I did my first YT stream the other night, and it was horrible compared to Twitch. I was super jazzed to finally take the plunge and try YT, and the whole experience top to bottom was more annoying and more frustrating that popping open OBS, changing a title, and clicking "start streaming".
If you want to build a career channel and stream also, go YT for sure. If you want to socialize and stream as a hobby, go Twitch for sure.
The only thing that makes kick seem more appealing is the super high split that they give creators atm. Something like 95%
The issue is a split means nothing with less discovery and less foot traffic.
Mad I have all the gear to get started just feel I have nowhere to set up properly due to bad lighting
lighting can be fixed with gear....
I literally just became twitch Affiliate 😭😂😭
when is youtube applying this??
Still rolling out region by region :) Check description for links
Still struggling to hit 500 subs. The hours don't seem to be an issue atm. RUclips is not being kind to me yet
RUclipss job isn't to be kind, its to promote content viewers will enjoy.
Remember, its a meritocracy, make good content, and you'll be rewarded.
I don't think yt will ever be a streaming platform. Not in a serious way like twitch and even kick. yt just isn't geared up for it. Kick is just throwing money at everything in the hope of someone sticking around. Twitch is on its last legs. Could this be the end of mainstream streaming? Am I going to have to learn to edit better? (that was a rhetorical question)
You're underestimating RUclips, and the billions of monthly users who will slowly learn streams are a thing.
The reason Twitch and Kick struggle is because they don't have a way for new streamers to be discovered.
RUclips is a meritocracy, if you make good content people like to watch, RUclips pushes it.
I think what's nice about Kick is that it doesn't have to be "Kick or RUclips". They both encourage simulcasting while Twitch is banning it.
Twitch has had its share of scanadals, toxicity, copyright abuse, and poor treatment of creators.
Kick does NOT pay Twitch money, it pays Amazon, and that is an important distinction.
Twitch also has gambling categories, and people are responsible for what they watch and click on.
Kick is simply where Twitch was a few years ago, but seems to be learning from mistakes Twitch has made.
Ultimately, I think more competition is better than less, and Twitch has been without serious competition for entirely too long.
I'm pretty happy with using Restream to simulcast on RUclips, Kick, Trovo and (until they officially ban it) Twitch. People watch me where they watch me for me, not because of the platform I'm on.
Well the difference is that twitch allows gambling, and kick was made to promote gambling, like literally, right after stake was banned on twitch they created kick, so it's not that comparable imo, as kick definitely promotes way more gambling streams on the recommended than twitch, for obvious reasons, but yeah doesn't make twitch less shady, I also don't really like twitch overall, but it's still the best streaming platform for small streamers sadly.
@megadubstepxd9462 It wouldn't surprise me to see kick drift away from the promotion of gambling, so.ewhat.
@@Mr_Dancy_Pants why would they, its the whole purpose.
@megadubstepxd9462 Because platforms change as they mature. Twitch, RUclips, OnlyFans, MySpace; all of them are dramatically different now from when they started.
@@Mr_Dancy_Pants well yes ofc, but what I'm saying is, the only reason kick functions is because it helps promote gambling. If it didn't they couldn't do a 95/5 split.
4000 hrs of streaming in a year... the 40 hr/week worker in the U.S only works about 2000 a year.... so twitch is actually asking for 80 hrs per week to become partner?? I think I could make partner at a law firm for less effort.
4000 hours of people watching your content not 4000 hours of streaming, if you have 100 persons watching 40 hours of your content in a year you pass and watching vods also count so it doesn't have to be live hours.
no 4000 hrs of views, thats different. if you streamed for a total of 100 hrs in a year. and for example every single person watched all 100 hrs. youd need 40 people
4000 Hours of watch time, isn't 4000 hours a year streaming.
Otherwise how would I, as I mention in the video, "reach that in a month"
Let's leave one bad platform or another bad platform. there has to be another way
Only reason i dont go to RUclips streaming is cause you cant play music 🤣🤣
Nahh fr fr
Ha ha ur paying ur daddy to exist!! 😂
I would love to stream on RUclips but you need like 500 subs to start 😳
No you don’t? You just need to verify?
First! 🎉
Kick has one major advantage against Twitch: no ads. No prerolls, no midrolls, nothing.
Because no one wants to sponsor it, that's not a good thing long term. Twitch doesn't have ads either if you pay the creators you're watching (I don't know about YT livestreams but I'm assuming it's the same).
Both Twitch and RUclips (currently but this might change soon) don't object to you using ad-blocks either. Also from what I can find the claim that having an adblocker stops the creators from getting the ad-revenue is completely unproven.
@@GalarianGuy Oh, they very much object to you using adblocks.
RUclips gives you full control of ads as well, and even lets you have skippables to meet in the middle.
And advertisers actually want to be involved.
You guys should all complain to RUclips about not caring about short form content creators and it’s obvious by our requirements to join the partner program. If they counted watch hours I’d have over 1/4th the watch time. But they are bias because we are new.
its so disturbing to me that people still use kik for ANYTHING, much less for content creation???? please, i can't do this anymore, someone say sike
I have been creating mostly consistent content for the last year still no subs or viable views. The Indians just dont wanna see Zelda or Animal Crossing.
sorry still not moving
I didn’t ask you too? Did you watch the video? I specifically answer whether to move?
@@StreamScheme ah ok yea i did watch the full video im just scared to move even with good thumbanils and all the things i know i should do i just cant get anyone to watch my streams but with twitch i have never had that issue i just want to move to youtube for better value of money but rn it dosent seem worth it i wish ik how i could be more better at youtube its just hard sorry i forgot i sent that yesterday its just its hard for me to think if i wanna move or not sorry if that sounded harsh im just lost as a streamer
I just discovered another one, the trash codec :(
You had me up until you spoke on Kick.
I understand why people don’t want to stream on kick, but from my experience:
I’ve had more growth on kick.
The sub split is 95/5. The CEO has vowed to never change that because he feels it wrong to take a big cut from crowd funding.
I’m seeing more viewership on kick than I ever have on twitch. Not sure on how discoverbility works on kick, but I’m seeing more viewers there.
No ads for the viewer, period.
How is Kick getting around copyright? It has the same DMCA policies as Twitch, RUclips, and everyone else does since it’s a federal law. Let’s not pretend Twitch streamers aren’t playing copyrighted music.
“Spread racism, homophobia” I’m not going to say it doesn’t happen, but it hasn’t happened to me there yet.
It has happened to me on twitch, and on Trovo. Just because your not experiencing racism and homophobia doesn’t mean it’s not happening on your platform of choice.
How is kick pushing illegal crypto gambling to its user? Yes, the top categories on kick is casinos and slots, however, from my experience, Kick is not shoving it in your face at all anywhere on the site. Remember, no ads.
“Has no tools.” It been out for 6 months. Twitch didn’t have a bunch tools we have and love now from when it started. RUclips is still missing a few tools.
Yes, Kick pays AWS, a separate entity of Amazon. 1.45 million users also use AWS. This includes Twitch, Apple, Netflix, Disney and parts of the US government. So, not sure why that’s a point. The Twitch CEO also stated that kick isn’t making Twitch money.
I can understand sponsors not wanting to touch kick, but what about the viewer’s perspective? Maybe they don’t want to see 7 ads or deal with sponsored content. The 95/5 split sure helps with not needing sponsors.
In conclusion, it absolutely sounds like I’m defending Kick, maybe I am, but only because you brought up points that every other person has and provided no proof on how Kick does these things.
I’m totally open to hearing more about why Kick shouldn’t be recommended. I absolutely want my mind to be changed, but until that happens, I multi stream on Kick and RUclips.
Spot on, dude. This is the first time I can say Eljay is wrong.
agreed
A few really important things to note,
Most people are seeing higher viewership, but not higher engagement due to Kick taking counting almost anything as a Viewer.
I find the sub split fairly pointless as at the end of the day Kick is still a Kingmaker system, but worse than Twitch's because the recommended slots on the side bar don't recommend just the big streamers, but also a hardcoded to recommend gambling streamers.
Otherwise categories you'll continue to be at the bottom as a Small Creator.
There aren't any Ads because advertisers see it as a brand risk to be involved, and the entire site pushing specific stake gambling streams to me is a "subtle" ad thats far worse.
Kicks major influencer faces actively pushed Kick as a place to do whatever you want, especially subvert copyright, we can't pretend that wasn't a huge part of their marketing, xQc went over there and instantly watched movies and tv, people say they're moving to play whatever music they want, etc.
As for the "racism" and "homophobia", again the two major faces of the platform, and also shareholders have used their platform to spread some of the most vile hate I have seen out of influencers lately.
And on the point of viewers, you're talking about it from an ads perspective but do you know why everyone says to make TikToks and RUclips videos to grow on Twitch?
It's to get around the Kingmaker system, to use an actual algorithm to get viewers to find you, while you're offline, sleeping, or of course online, and send them to your other platform that lacks discovery.
As I said above, Kick doesn't have discovery, it's the same kingmaker system, but with bigger flaws.
I appreciate it is new competition, and that's great, but at the end of the day, Kick has every single problem Twitch has but worse in my eyes.
If I have to make RUclips videos and TikToks then send people over, I'd rather just do it on RUclips, make revenue, use all the features and tools of an established platform, no brand risks, and my content/VoDs will be up forever.
Bonus update: One of the heads of Kick has openly admitted today that view counts have been inflated, and they were hardcoding gambling streams to be pushed to viewers.
And because of people like myself, who are openly critical of the platform and its failing, they've taken steps to improve this by lowering (not removing) the amount of hardcoded gambling recommendations, and also making it so view counts aren't being AS inflated.
So, back to my original point, rather than defend and make excuses for a platform you want to succeed, be critical, be constructive, point out where they are wrong and what they're failing at.
I hope Kick continues to listen to us and improves, both for the entire industries sake AND for the people commenting I am wrong despite now having Kick themselves admit and back up several of my points.
Alright, you make a fair point. Maybe we didn't see the big picture that you did. I agree Kick has some really shady business practices and gambling is a problem. I really don't want my viewers to fall victim to gambling. It's just, a few of my small streamer friends moved to Kick and they seemed happier, more free - like a huge burden was removed from the chest.
You convinced me to give RUclips streaming a try. I haven't started to stream on Kick yet, so hopefully no damage was done. It's just that, when your videos get 100-200 views, you can't see yourself as a successful RUclipsr, and you assume you'll get zero viewers on your RUclips Lives. Maybe that's just a loser mentality, but I assume most of us small streamers are like me - we don't want to be influencers of huge brands, we don't want to get involved with ads, we want to just stream and make content - and Kick is (or was) the tiny little glimmer of home that we can do just that with the 95-5 sub split. After seeing that, even RUclips's 70-30 seems wrong, and Twitch taking half of our money and even more from bits seem just wrong. I can never go back to Twitch after Kick.
If not Kick, then what about Rumble? Do you see it as competitor? Are there any risks involved? Is it brand safe? Is there any discoverability there? I heard it's like a mix of RUclips and Kick - you get 100% sub revenue, which is even better then Kick, and you can make videos like on RUclips. But where's the catch?
you kinda make kick being on aws (amazon servers) as a bad thing. Other then additional cost on their part wich could mean less cash for you and kick, it is probably better then if they tried to run everything on their own. Not defending kick but thats a weird point to bring up at that time.
I think it is important to talk about, because AWS has a terms of service that is quite specific, and Kick has openly already broken those terms.
It's a really interesting dynamic that should be remembered.
For the last 3 years, every single Twitch hater has openly said "Amazon will shut twtich down!"
But suddenly, they all want to pretend like Amazon won't do that to a service.
kinda weird, but still makes sense if you look at it from a history of the internet perspective. If the backbone of how ya service works, depends on playing in someone elses yard [AWS] and you do something, or your users are doing something that constantly violates the fine print of a contract, its how you see massive service disruptions and or getting kicked out and having to scramble to figure a way to exist again. Parlor vs Apple playstore and whatever the android version is. They got yeeted outta the mobile sector overnight for bad press on what the users were doing. Then as a result of that and more eyes being on them, they started having to play musical hosting services until they ran outta options and had to close shop for a long while till they could re-open and by then they had lost a huge chunk of their users. So from that perspective, I could see why he would bring it up. Not saying he did think of that, but its what comes to my mind whenever I think about why I'm still on the fence about kick.
I will switch to RUclips if they add channel points😊