as someone who doesn't watch streams I think they're just different, if you just sit down and watch it like you watch a movie then yeah it sucks, but the best way to do it is put it on your second monitor and have it there while you're doing something else on your main monitor, that's where the appeal comes from
I love very few podcasts that are packed with content. Jordan Peterson found that people have the attention span for long-form CONVERSATIONS. So it stands to reason that streamers like Josh who can HOLD A CONVERSATION with their audience will do well with safe people.
@@SolDizZo Jordan Peterson can't be realistically quoted for much as an expert on anything at this point. Everything he says is filtered through a narcissistic filter in an attempt to gain notoriety.
For streaming I prefer watching on RUclips over Twitch since Twitch has periodic annoyingly long commercials during the stream and unlike RUclips where we can rewind what we missed, with Twitch you can't rewind what you missed; it's gone forever (unless you rewatch it on a VOD assuming the streamer saves those).
I haven't watched a twitch ad for like 1-2 years now. No idea which adblocker I have that's working but one of them is blocking twitch ads. Sometimes it breaks for a day but it fixes the next day.
This is why I miss Mixer, it was clearly a better engineered platform. I remember I could barely run quality twitch streams on my old PC. Twitch has been coasting for years and it's shameful there's been no competition.
@@pointvector1951nothing is "supposed" to mean anything, things mean what they mean because people think they mean what they mean and those meanings convey meanings that people want to mean.
@@pointvector1951 words have always been vague and have always had different meanings depending on context and situation and all kinds of things if you think words have exact and accurate meanings tell me what the word 'cool' means? which changes from person to person
I think the most expensive army is Skaven with their metal acolytes, some 1500 euro for a 2k points army and I think you could make a Cities army of some 300 euro (includes Gotrek). No idea about 40k.
I've never watched your streams, don't play and have never played OSRS, but I come across your videos every now and again and I love your takes. Seems like a great guy.
I like that you turned the question around and asked "what is good for the audience?". Because too often we're just taken for granted. What's good for the streamers isn't necessarily what's good for the viewers.
Given that streamers literally become millionaires off the hard work and money of their audience Id say Yeah, our needs are nowhere in line with theirs.
@@plebisMaximus I read a really interesting article about how all the biggest sites on the Internet (especially but not exclusively social media) follow the same pattern. First, they're incredibly good to the users - Facebook creates this easy to use platform where all you see is your friends' content, there's few ads, you're just seeing what you want to see - then, when they have a captive user base, they become bad to the users in order to be very good to the business people (businesses or professional content creators) - Facebook starts putting news and video content you didn't ask for in your feed, it pushes all this stuff from content farms so it gets tonnes of views and makes a lot of money for the creators - and then, once the business people are suckered in, the site starts treating both the business people and the users badly in order to maximize profits for themselves - Facebook floods your feed with crap you never asked for or cared about, and it strongly pushes content that's in formats where Facebook will make more money from it rather than the creator, like Facebook native videos, or not promoting news articles that link back to the site the article's from. It's like clockwork, every big site has done the exact same thing over the years, but crucially it starts with making it a place the actual users want to use.
I find as I get older I watch streams live less and less and just consume the content on RUclips. I mean both kick and amazon have their dark aspects and in my mind neither should be the sole place for streams to exist in a utopia. It reminds me of the lesser evil short story in the Witcher universe: The moral behind the story is that sometimes, in a world where evil exists in various forms, it is not always easy to distinguish between right and wrong. Geralt is confronted with the idea that choosing the lesser evil may still result in someone suffering. The story emphasizes the complexity of morality and the consequences of our actions, highlighting that even the seemingly right choice can lead to unintended negative outcomes. At the end of the day, you will be where you feel comfiest and safest (I hope) but I think I am more comfortable on RUclips.
Your case might not be about safety at all but about time. The videos on RUclips are edited and condensed, you only get the good bits, no technical problems or when the streamer has to take a toilet brake.
Streams monopolise your time and even your life. They are intentionally inconvenient to drive streams as an "unmissable event". The reality they are just live recordings of life and should be mostly ignored outside of the highlights. Streams also feed off of loneliness, so much is people simulating socialising instead of actually being social with people around them.
Great points! Given that the whole, buy streamers with lots of money strategy, did not pan out for Mixer, I'd say that Kick's goal is not to be bigger than Twitch. Kick's goal is to maintain and grow the gambling business. They don't need to be anywhere near Twitch's size to do that very profitably. So I'd say your take is not just hot, but On Fire!
I used to be almost exclusively on Twitch up until 2019 ish. It has just become a cesspool of absolute garbage. RUclips is far from perfect but it's waaaaaay better here as a consumer/viewer
funnily enough as ex-gambling addict (now living with family because i have huge debts as a result), i will never move to kick no matter if people i enjoy watching do
Out of curiosity I went and looked at Kick and Twitch during this video. Compared games and their listings, etc. It's striking how Kick really is, in many cases verbatim, just a copy of Twitch. It's literally a case of "Copy my homework, just change it a bit so we don't get caught." But they barely changed it.
@@DeosPraetorian No the don't it is part of the service they bought called AWS IVS I dont remember the stream, but it was a streamer interviewing the twitch CEO who also asked that question, and he basically admitted yeah AWS also has the right to sell it to others
Yup it's AWS. Realistically though what would you want to see differently? Kick just wants to be Twitch with less restrictions, at least that's what it seems like to me is their goal. Twitch's UI works pretty well so if it aint broke don't fix it.
from a streamer pov, you are selling out your audience into gamba addiction with kick, while you arent selling them into slavery in amazon warehouses by streaming on twitch
Twitch is ground zero for e-girls. Some people lose their family or are homeless because of twitch e-girls. It's kinda hypocrite to speak about the gambling problems that can maybe happen, without speaking about the enormous problem twitch have with the whole e-girls stuff.
The other thing about the revenue split is that they're losing money on every payment under like 15/20 bucks depending on their payment processor. Given that Kick is also part of a gambling company they also probably have a terrible rate from their payment processor as a "high risk". The whole business is about getting gambling adverts in front of the guys who spend 10000 on FIFA Ultimate Team every year, or 500 bucks a month on Genshin banners. IMO, it's morally reprehensible. Edit, addition edition: I looked it up and they're going through Stripe. I can tell you from *first hand experience* Stripe charges a higher processing rate to online gambling companies, They're running the whole damn platform at a loss.
They are subscribing to the "you have to spend money to make money" philosophy. They are hoping for a return on investment. And pandering to the "free speech! don't let a private company I've signed a ToS with censor me!!!11!1" type.
You said it yourself they charge higher rates for gambling companies, kick is not a gambling company. Kick is created by a guy who has a casino, yes, that is correct. But that doesn't mean that the Kick therefore is a gambling company too. I may be wrong, that is imho.
@@喜陽虚_0x912 yet there kick is, hard coding their website to highlight gambling streams on the front page. Trying to act as if kick isn't designed to push gambling, is rather naive
Josh: "think we can agree uncontrolled gambling definitely has a negative effect on peoples whose lives it tends you knoe sink it filthy addictive claws into and ruin people" "Jagex: yeah gambling is horrible! ~Continues shoving as much Fear of missing out/Gacha/Loophole systems to avoid calling it gambling~ mental health promo anyone?"
Streming platforms have enjoyed a golden era of low regulation. Im almost certain this is about to end, especially in the EU as more countries want to dismantle tech giants and try to tackle online gambling. Kick will only make the glaring issues with streaming more visible to very powerfull institutions.
Yep here in Belgium, they made all ads for gambling illegal everywhere, even for sports. It happened just a week ago. So I guess Kick will be blocked in Belgium eventually
With the people that have gone to Kick so far, I'll definitely stick with Twitch and RUclips. Not to mention that I still don't trust the entire operation considering that Stake is not just any gambling website, but a largely unregulated crypto casino in Curacao. To me, Kick just seems like a business venture to launder their crypto money while at the same time attracting more people to gambling. As bad as Amazon is with their anti-union campaigns and terrible working conditions, at least they offer something of a useful service. Stake just abuses addiction to print money without creating anything aside from debt.
@@Lislio umm just don't get addicted? Weak-willed losers always try to shift accountability. You aren't forced to gamble. It's just there, but it's there either way, one click away. Stop blaming others for your own bad decisions.
It will be interesting to see how regulatory agencies handle Kick. Their big deals have made absolute WAVES in the news cycle which is a double-edged sword. It's put them on the map almost overnight which means all kinds of organizations are going to be looking at it. If the orgs like the record labels come after it too soon, they're not gonna have the ability to implement safe harbor systems in time like Twitch did. Furthermore, implementing those systems will directly decimate the type of audience they want to capture. There's a reason why Kick was set up in Australia, but at the end of the day so much server hosting and internet control is still retained by the U.S. so... if big corpos push the feds into strong-arming AWS, etc. in shutting down access to Kick... well yeah it'll be interesting.
Very true. Tho I’m not sure Amazon would even consider axing kick regardless of how popular it gets. It would set a terrible precedent where a providing company can deny you service if you compete with a subsidiary of said company. That would create a worse outcome for Amazon than kick totally killing off twitch. If that could happen of course. We will see though! We will see.
@@bigman7856 Amazon would 100% comply if the feds came knocking and said "shut them down". Which has happened in the past. Otherwise yeah, you're right.
Kick having no ads that play when watching a stream is a huge + for me. Every single time I want to watch a new streamer on twitch, I have to sit through 3-6 ads. I would rather just click and watch without being subjected to a minute of ads
The ads will come if it gets popular. It's the business model of every new start up for the past 20 years to make the experience convenient at first. The squeeze comes later.
@@Talagul depends on the type of ads as well. Twitch has in video ads as well as banner ads. If kick implements ads that aren’t as obnoxious as twitch, it’ll still be a more convenient viewing experience.
@@desOOOm they will come to Kick eventually, specially as small audience streamer numbers - that generate more stress in their infrastructure than they can pay for in audience to Stake - increase.
Adds always come down the road. Kick is still trying to grow and audience. When they feel they managed that goal, then the heavy monetization will start. Don't be naïve. They are losing hundreds of millions right now, they are a business, in the end they will need to make profit.
Fifa ultimate team generated $1.6Billion in net revenue in 2021 alone. If I were an executive in the gaming industry I'd want to appeal to that kind of guy too.
I think as long as kick starts getting better moderation which over time it will give those options to streamers I think that given time kick will become less edgy. In the end I personally think that Kick being a competitor is great because this will make twitch have to make better decisions even if you dont agree with Stake it will indirectly pressure twitch.
yea, i'm more interested in what improvements in moderation and TOS they'll put in, which they seem to be doing quickly. here is the thing, yes its made by a gambling site and some very questionable people are involved in the company; but also...twitch is owned by amazon a company that has a whole other set of problems with questionable business practices and human rights issues with warehouse workers, etc etc. so in the end they're both shady companies; which ones have more to off you as the streamer?
Thank you for having a reasonable take on this With the ethics involved, not wanting to be on a platform that enables bigotry, Kick having worse discoverability, tags, and functionality than Twitch, and the gambling and crypto stuff, I will never own a Kick account. It just feels like the next Mixer or Facebook Gaming in terms of where it's headed. I would rather foster and be a part of safer and more inclusive communities, and frankly just use a site that has a better viewing experience. I understand that Twitch is owned by Amazon, and that they take 50% of streamer revenue and have ramped up ads and made a lot of bad decisions lately, but that's not near as bad as Kick to me. Twitch is by far the better and smarter choice.
I prefer watching on Twitch and all but I really don't get this ethics argument. Amazon is as bad as Stake, just look up their history of scandals regarding workplace environment among many other things, its really disgusting. I understand your other points I just don't get taking any side in the Amazon vs Stake thing, its like comparing filth to filth, you'd rather not have to prefer either. I'd also argue Kick has a better viewing 'experience' with less ads and all that. The amount of advertising on Twitch has really been insane lately..
Glad that Josh has, once again, voiced the same thing I'm aalways telling people: it's not just the revenue split, it's the culture. I personally don't like/understand Twitch culture. The chat is nonsense and jibberish to me. I watch almost exclusively RUclips streamers now, and i dont see myself navigating to a separate site to check for people that i like
I like watching streams often after the fact, sometimes much later. Twitch sucks at that, doubt Kick would be better. RUclips allows me to see what I've watched already, how far in I got, and the vids stay up even if I watch them like a month later. While live Twitch is generally a bit better, the drop function and link to Amazon Prime are neat. I like competition though, Twitch has lots of favoritism, some really bizarre bans, strong political leanings etc. I welcome Kick as a valid competitor. People should go where they prefer, both content creators and viewers. I'll stick mainly with RUclips for now though.
There is so much disingenuous going on right now...people saying "oh, Amazon is bad too". I'm honestly disgusted seeing that take. The levels of oversight between amazon and stake aren't even comparable. Stake literally cannot be touched. At least Amazon has some accountability within the country they operate in. I'm so socked people like Asmon are defending them, seems very out of character, like trying to prepare people for his eventual deal
i'm not sure where you got the statistic that toxic behavior or misogyny are predictors of gambling addiction. the most common risk factors for addictive behavior are anxiety, depression, or existing substance abuse/addiction. there is certainly correlation between toxic behavior and gambling addiction, but the relationship is most likely in the reverse, where the addiction causes the outwardly destructive behavior
I watched Dougdougs stream last week. It's rare you see a streamer go out of their way to get their entire stream copyright claimed because of music on purpose!
@@DousedInPiss I know right? It's only immature 14 year olds who falsely assume that there is ever such a thing as "being able to say whatever you want without being punished for it." Disagree? Go yell "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater then get back to the rest of us. You'll figure out how irrational your ideas are.
@@brandonrathbone3690 Funny you say in the other thread that I couldn't address the point (despite actually doing that) then right here you don't actually what I say. As usual, you folks are incapable of not being hypocrites.
I'm definitely more comfortable as a viewer on youtube for a variety of reasons. I never feel like youtube is trying to steal my money, which I appreciate. I also find content creators on youtube put more time in effort into their content simply by nature and I appreciate that fact. It's much easier to search and find the content I'm looking for. Live streams can be entertaining, but I find the twitch communities to often be just the lowest common denominator of people. For that reason, I fully support Kick pulling people to that platform that I would rather not associate with.
Using a very bad analogy with Albion or maybe Ultima Online, Twitch is the player that normally does PVE and ocassional PVP in groups, while Kick is the Gank Squad in a grief zone.
10:28 I'm not saying Josh should advertise any particular brand but I shelled out for an adjustable desk frame and it's been life-changing for my home-office days. So I'm all for advertising standing desks in general.
Twitch bans people like Ice Poseidon and Adin Ross who do/say edgy shit and also banned gambling sites that aren't licensed in the US from what I understand. That's pretty much the only difference content wise, both have gambling and bikini streamers.
@@th3w0wnub I did enjoy when aiden Ross was edgy enough to sniff the seat of Andrew Tate after Tate left the room. It was like he was snorting a line of cocaine
I’m all in on RUclips even though I don’t particularly like Google’s ethics. I feel RUclips is already not super well moderated but it’s miles better than most social media/video/streaming platforms out there. It’s a huge fear for me that RUclips might eventually follow the lead of Twitter and Kick and decide they can make more money by doing minimal moderation and letting it turn into a hostile environment. For me, RUclips is probably the best thing about the internet, and it’s scary to see it as fragile, especially when there’s no viable alternative to RUclips
there are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of illegal videos with a few views that are not deleted. A french youtube made a series of video on it it stunned me
Thank you for this 100%! This is a nuanced opinion in a sea of bad takes from many content creators. I have no issues with people choosing an option that is financially beneficial to them and helps them pay their bills. What I do have an issue with is people pretending that Amazon and Kick are morally equivalent - therefore the choice doesn't matter. Yes, Amazon is a horrible corporation - but Kick is a front for a degenerate, unregulated gambling organization that quite literally profits off of addiction and destructive behavior. Just be upfront about your motivations. Don't try to have your cake and eat it too by rationalizing your choice as both ethically sound and financially advantageous.
Amazon and therefore twitch have deals with sports betting which has ruined generations of people all of which are realistically unregulated as the sports betting companies own the regulatory bodies. They are not equivalent it's true as amazon and twitch are spreading sports betting more children than kick could ever hope too.
I couldn't go to kick because streamers, and online gambling makes for a huge scam one way or another. Either the streamers is using funny money, then not win earnings and/or the games are rigged in their favor to market to the people at home. If RUclips got better emote channel abilities I would prefer that, but until then Twitch is preferred.
I am definitely anti-snowflake, but kick goes beyond anti-snowflake and boarders into anti-viewer practices favoring pro-streamer practices. There are lines that kick crosses that I disagree with, but with any website, I can just choose not to visit it, I feel like the responsibility of content censorship falling on the website is wrong and if the viewer or person clicking on the website should be held more responsible for just not clicking on sketchy websites or to just not watch Content they dislike, parents should also be responsible for protecting their children not the website
I'm not in that position so I'll never have to worry about the dilemma of being offered $10 million, all of which has been extracted from people who may or may not suffer from mental illness which predisposes them to gambling addiction
i bet you buy groceries and food from people that suffer from poor worker conditions......get off your high horse and listen to his words in the vids. its not about the executives its about competition so twitch isnt a monopoly
@@derigel7662 then support platforms that DONT try to hook people into gambling like kick is. This isn't a binary. It's not "twitch of kick." You have choices. That is, if your goal is actually to support other platforms to reduce a monopoly, and not to simply air grievances about the platform twitch
I'd be happy with youtube if they made a better streaming UI and a better chat, but kick is probably the very last streaming website i'd want to visit. They're way too out there with their gambling connections, and i don't see them moving away from those ideas at any point in time. Twitch is mostly comfy for me, I'm not the biggest fan of the audiences of most streamers i watch but at least the chat is entertaining. Most things that twitch has done "bad" have little to no effect on the people watching/the audience, I really couldn't care less about pay cuts for streamers, I just want to watch the content i enjoy. The only thing that's bothersome is the amount of ads and well, there's twitch turbo that seems to be a decent deal. They've honestly improved the platform a lot with things like mod tools, some chat additions like channel point betting; I don't see any other streaming service putting that much effort into audience interaction, and that's mostly why i'll stick with Twitch until some other company can come up with a better viewing experience.
Whats the issue with RUclips chat ? I am geniuntly asking ! I have tried both and i just coudnt vibe with twitch at all , some people use emotes that dont appear in chat , too many ads , makes me open up twitch and suggests me irrelevant people . Meanwhile RUclips for me i can just randomly catch one of the people im subbed to during a stream . Doe i guess twitch is useful for twitch drops ( which i just mute and put in the background ) .
Thank you, Josh. For your integrity and content in general, but for this video in particular. I was about to make an account on Kick, just to secure my nickname, but then read up on the company and people behind it and immediately stumbled upon the connection to the red-pill alpha male and gambling culture. I decided not to make an account and was astonished no one I know of had talked about any of this yet.
“You’d take the kick deal if you were offered 10million for it”, but under what context? Why would kick want to spend that much money? It’s because the person their offering the money to already has a popularity base large enough to be notable to the platform. At that point, the streamer is already making well over enough money to support themselves. ‘You would take the 10million’, no, no I wouldn’t. With context taken into consideration, that amount of wealth is only for the
Heya, fellow furries and otakus! This is your Ice Wolf pal, Kiba Snowpaw, with a winter storm of thoughts, opinions, and some wild witticisms for you all. Having been around the digital block a time or two (since the '80s, if you can believe it), I've seen my fair share of gaming revolutions, anime clashes, and manga masterpieces. But today, I'm here to talk about a virtual face-off of an entirely different kind. I'm talking about none other than the 'Kick vs Twitch' video by Josh Strife Says, a thunderous clash of streaming titans that's had me on the edge of my snowy seat. This video is a sleek and stealthy leopard, balancing between gaming chatter, streaming dilemmas, and dashes of good humor that sneak up and surprise you when you least expect it. To start with, let's appreciate the question Josh brings up: "What is good for the audience?" It's a refreshing perspective that often gets lost in the race to the top. Like a lone wolf stepping up for its pack, he stands up for the overlooked - us, the viewers. His unique insight makes me feel as included as a wolf in a full moon howling spree. And now, to address the ice dragon in the room, the rivalry between Kick and Twitch. It's like watching two alphas in a turf war, both different yet sharing a common goal. Twitch is like the older, experienced leader of the pack, whereas Kick seems to be the young, ambitious wolf challenging the status quo. And just when you think things are getting too heated, Josh whips out lines like, "I could at least afford 2 Warhammer armies," and the tension dissolves faster than a snowflake on a hot stove. With quips as sharp as icicles, Josh makes sure there's never a dull moment. But even amidst the humor, the video doesn't shy away from tackling serious issues. The mention of Kick's 'edginess' and the potential for better moderation is reminiscent of our own struggles in the furry community. It's like having to choose between two packs, each with its strengths and weaknesses. On a lighter note, I couldn't help but chuckle at the hilarious prediction of "bikini blackjack streams on Kick. In a hot tub." That's a future sight funnier than a fox with a keyboard! All in all, Josh's video serves up a hearty dish of gaming culture, streaming politics, and pop humor - all in a single package. It's like the perfect combo in a boss fight or a well-placed punchline in a comedy anime. In the spirit of Kiba Snowpaw, I give this video an enthusiastic howl of approval. So, tune in to Josh Strife's video for a good laugh, a fair bit of enlightenment, and a whole lot of insights about the world of streaming. Trust this old Ice Wolf; it's worth the watch. As I always say, "May your games never lag, and your streams be ever smooth!" This is Kiba Snowpaw, signing off for now. Howl you later!
At the end of the day, the vast majority (if not all) of the people in this comment section bemaoning the fostering and creation of a safe community on twitch, simply arent part of the groups being othered by the toxic or dangerous corners of twitch. They arent in any danger of their groups attacking or targeting them. And that dictates their desire to see twitch not take strides to foster and create a safe community.
Wrong. The whole "safe space" thing is idiotic and only breeds weakness. Everyone is responsible for their own response to something. If someone is unable to maturely deal with negative stimulus then that's on them.
Yeah but I don't give a shit about those people and actually see them as a problem. The world is getting increasingly censored and sensitive for the sake of these "targeted" groups. Before 2012 or so I was tolerant, maybe even accepting, of these groups. I let them into my spaces, my life, and welcomed them, then they started telling me what I can and can't say, that my words were X/Y/Z bad things, that I was an X-ist because I made an edgy joke. These people can fuck off, if they don't feel "safe" (aka can't censor others) and thus don't join a platform that's great for me.
@@TheClintonio no, that's an example of RUclips trying to foster content they can monetize with ads. What do you think happens when advertisers don't think the content on a website they are advertising on, appeals to people?
Allowing offensive havens to exist perpetuates an acceptance of offence in RL. Current politics proves this well. We need to wake up to the damage a relaxed atitude to cruelty is causing.
The idea of "safety" in an inherently parasocial relationship is absurd. If you need a safe space anywhere online, you should probably go outside and touch grass and disconnect for a while.
0:00 "Give me the meat and give it to me raw!" Oy! Microwaves can melt high-melting metals, did you know? Watch explosions&fire or extractions&ire (whichever it is). There was a recent (as of June 2023) video he made about microwaving niobium. So don't underestimate microwave ovens.
Ah, the discussion that got the reddit post posted... I'm only here to see which way YT CC says Doug Doug, or Dog Dog... or is it Duck Duck. Thanks YT, All three got used and I'm... oh when he talked fast we didn't get dougdougdoug, we just get doug dog. OK YT NO GOOD!
Normal streamer: Boys, I think I've got a hot take Josh: I've got a hot take. Actually, a warm take. More like a microwaved take, but you haven't stored it, so the middle is still kind of cold, it's ice if anything but the outside boiling when you mix it all together and you know everything it's probably a warm take it's like a low energy take i'm not gonna say hot take i don't want to excite you too much
As an audience member I stick with RUclips. I don't get streaming, 90% of it is boring or dead air. I'll stick with the highlights
I just don't have the time to watch hour long streams on end. (and honestly, I don't want to, either).
Yup, same here
as someone who doesn't watch streams I think they're just different, if you just sit down and watch it like you watch a movie then yeah it sucks, but the best way to do it is put it on your second monitor and have it there while you're doing something else on your main monitor, that's where the appeal comes from
I love very few podcasts that are packed with content.
Jordan Peterson found that people have the attention span for long-form CONVERSATIONS.
So it stands to reason that streamers like Josh who can HOLD A CONVERSATION with their audience will do well with safe people.
@@SolDizZo Jordan Peterson can't be realistically quoted for much as an expert on anything at this point. Everything he says is filtered through a narcissistic filter in an attempt to gain notoriety.
For streaming I prefer watching on RUclips over Twitch since Twitch has periodic annoyingly long commercials during the stream and unlike RUclips where we can rewind what we missed, with Twitch you can't rewind what you missed; it's gone forever (unless you rewatch it on a VOD assuming the streamer saves those).
VOD also stay on RUclips indefinitely
RUclips is the best, twitch is a toxic cesspool
This! I have a young son w/ disabilities, & miss stuff all the time when watching videos. Being able to rewind is almost a necessity.
I haven't watched a twitch ad for like 1-2 years now. No idea which adblocker I have that's working but one of them is blocking twitch ads. Sometimes it breaks for a day but it fixes the next day.
This is why I miss Mixer, it was clearly a better engineered platform. I remember I could barely run quality twitch streams on my old PC. Twitch has been coasting for years and it's shameful there's been no competition.
The fact it's called "Kick" always makes me think
"Huh? Kik? The messaging app? That's doing streaming?"
yeah i thought that too. why cant these companies come up with more unique names it's annoying LOL
Dosent help that the colour choices are similar lmao.
As a german I always think. "KiK the store chain now has a streaming service?"
@@Selnathorn Same, I was already confused whenever people talked about the messenger before
Ye know, the name "Kick" feels fitting if it wants to push people to try gambling
Josh: where do you feel more safe?
Chat: Onlyfans
I mean it's the truth
@@pointvector1951nothing is "supposed" to mean anything, things mean what they mean because people think they mean what they mean and those meanings convey meanings that people want to mean.
@@pointvector1951 words have always been vague and have always had different meanings depending on context and situation and all kinds of things
if you think words have exact and accurate meanings tell me what the word 'cool' means? which changes from person to person
people who actually pay to view porn on onlyfans are very sad little individuals and need to get their head checked lmfao that shits pathetic.
@@pointvector1951 I didn't even realized the usage of it changed, so you have me beat.
"I could at least afford 2 warhammer armies" - JSH 2023. The words of a man with a dream
I think the most expensive army is Skaven with their metal acolytes, some 1500 euro for a 2k points army and I think you could make a Cities army of some 300 euro (includes Gotrek). No idea about 40k.
@@mycatistypingthis5450 Genestealers.
I've never watched your streams, don't play and have never played OSRS, but I come across your videos every now and again and I love your takes. Seems like a great guy.
I like that you turned the question around and asked "what is good for the audience?". Because too often we're just taken for granted. What's good for the streamers isn't necessarily what's good for the viewers.
Given that streamers literally become millionaires off the hard work and money of their audience Id say Yeah, our needs are nowhere in line with theirs.
and yet no site is worth shit without the viewers. We should be the priority on every platform.
@@plebisMaximus I read a really interesting article about how all the biggest sites on the Internet (especially but not exclusively social media) follow the same pattern. First, they're incredibly good to the users - Facebook creates this easy to use platform where all you see is your friends' content, there's few ads, you're just seeing what you want to see - then, when they have a captive user base, they become bad to the users in order to be very good to the business people (businesses or professional content creators) - Facebook starts putting news and video content you didn't ask for in your feed, it pushes all this stuff from content farms so it gets tonnes of views and makes a lot of money for the creators - and then, once the business people are suckered in, the site starts treating both the business people and the users badly in order to maximize profits for themselves - Facebook floods your feed with crap you never asked for or cared about, and it strongly pushes content that's in formats where Facebook will make more money from it rather than the creator, like Facebook native videos, or not promoting news articles that link back to the site the article's from.
It's like clockwork, every big site has done the exact same thing over the years, but crucially it starts with making it a place the actual users want to use.
The means of entertainment must be collectivised to liberate the viewing class
There is no ads on kick let alone for gambling.
So 10 years from now, instead of hot tub streams on Twitch, we'll have bikini blackjack streams on Kick. In a hot tub. Progress.
Kick said "Gonna make my own streaming site with blackjack and hookers!"
sounds like less of a scam tbh
I find as I get older I watch streams live less and less and just consume the content on RUclips. I mean both kick and amazon have their dark aspects and in my mind neither should be the sole place for streams to exist in a utopia. It reminds me of the lesser evil short story in the Witcher universe:
The moral behind the story is that sometimes, in a world where evil exists in various forms, it is not always easy to distinguish between right and wrong. Geralt is confronted with the idea that choosing the lesser evil may still result in someone suffering. The story emphasizes the complexity of morality and the consequences of our actions, highlighting that even the seemingly right choice can lead to unintended negative outcomes.
At the end of the day, you will be where you feel comfiest and safest (I hope) but I think I am more comfortable on RUclips.
There was an entire show about this lol.
Your case might not be about safety at all but about time. The videos on RUclips are edited and condensed, you only get the good bits, no technical problems or when the streamer has to take a toilet brake.
Streams monopolise your time and even your life. They are intentionally inconvenient to drive streams as an "unmissable event". The reality they are just live recordings of life and should be mostly ignored outside of the highlights. Streams also feed off of loneliness, so much is people simulating socialising instead of actually being social with people around them.
“I don’t want to set the bar too high” mate you put the bar on the ground years ago
Josh gonna go crazy when he hears about the lake in an island on a lake for his boat on a pool on a bigger boat.
Great points! Given that the whole, buy streamers with lots of money strategy, did not pan out for Mixer, I'd say that Kick's goal is not to be bigger than Twitch. Kick's goal is to maintain and grow the gambling business. They don't need to be anywhere near Twitch's size to do that very profitably. So I'd say your take is not just hot, but On Fire!
Josh Based Hayes strikes again.
13:18 to end is a gold moment of Josh. This is why i m here. I need those life lessons.
I used to be almost exclusively on Twitch up until 2019 ish. It has just become a cesspool of absolute garbage. RUclips is far from perfect but it's waaaaaay better here as a consumer/viewer
funnily enough as ex-gambling addict (now living with family because i have huge debts as a result), i will never move to kick no matter if people i enjoy watching do
Look at me commenting before I watched the video, I am cool certified.
How can I become as cool as you?
@@abdullahelnaas4473 Impossible
Too much coolness to handle D:
wish i could be as cool :c
What a silly doodly you are, so riskay
Out of curiosity I went and looked at Kick and Twitch during this video. Compared games and their listings, etc. It's striking how Kick really is, in many cases verbatim, just a copy of Twitch. It's literally a case of "Copy my homework, just change it a bit so we don't get caught." But they barely changed it.
Because it's all an attempt to pull people away from twitch. Like truth social was an attempt to pull ppl away from Twitter.
they used a leaked twitch sourcecode to make it
@@DeosPraetorian No the don't it is part of the service they bought called AWS IVS
I dont remember the stream, but it was a streamer interviewing the twitch CEO who also asked that question, and he basically admitted yeah AWS also has the right to sell it to others
Yup it's AWS. Realistically though what would you want to see differently? Kick just wants to be Twitch with less restrictions, at least that's what it seems like to me is their goal. Twitch's UI works pretty well so if it aint broke don't fix it.
from a streamer pov, you are selling out your audience into gamba addiction with kick, while you arent selling them into slavery in amazon warehouses by streaming on twitch
Only of course if you actually promote the gambling on there. Which many streamers don't.
@@DousedInPiss no, it's still selling out your audience as every time they visit the site, gambling streams are hard coded to be highlighted.
Twitch is ground zero for e-girls. Some people lose their family or are homeless because of twitch e-girls. It's kinda hypocrite to speak about the gambling problems that can maybe happen, without speaking about the enormous problem twitch have with the whole e-girls stuff.
this reminds me of when discord blew up in late 2015 and everyone began dropping skype for discord
I'd love to watch streams live, but youtube's on demand content is just unbeatable.
The other thing about the revenue split is that they're losing money on every payment under like 15/20 bucks depending on their payment processor. Given that Kick is also part of a gambling company they also probably have a terrible rate from their payment processor as a "high risk". The whole business is about getting gambling adverts in front of the guys who spend 10000 on FIFA Ultimate Team every year, or 500 bucks a month on Genshin banners.
IMO, it's morally reprehensible.
Edit, addition edition: I looked it up and they're going through Stripe. I can tell you from *first hand experience* Stripe charges a higher processing rate to online gambling companies, They're running the whole damn platform at a loss.
They are subscribing to the "you have to spend money to make money" philosophy. They are hoping for a return on investment. And pandering to the "free speech! don't let a private company I've signed a ToS with censor me!!!11!1" type.
You said it yourself they charge higher rates for gambling companies, kick is not a gambling company. Kick is created by a guy who has a casino, yes, that is correct. But that doesn't mean that the Kick therefore is a gambling company too.
I may be wrong, that is imho.
@@喜陽虚_0x912 yet there kick is, hard coding their website to highlight gambling streams on the front page.
Trying to act as if kick isn't designed to push gambling, is rather naive
@@brandonrathbone3690 That was not the argument that I was replying to or saying something against
@@喜陽虚_0x912 so your argument was a semantic "they aren't LITERALLY a gambling company, they are just OWNED BY and DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM kick"?
Josh: "think we can agree uncontrolled gambling definitely has a negative effect on peoples whose lives it tends you knoe sink it filthy addictive claws into and ruin people"
"Jagex: yeah gambling is horrible! ~Continues shoving as much Fear of missing out/Gacha/Loophole systems to avoid calling it gambling~ mental health promo anyone?"
'' A Bigger boat ''.
Streming platforms have enjoyed a golden era of low regulation. Im almost certain this is about to end, especially in the EU as more countries want to dismantle tech giants and try to tackle online gambling. Kick will only make the glaring issues with streaming more visible to very powerfull institutions.
Yep here in Belgium, they made all ads for gambling illegal everywhere, even for sports. It happened just a week ago. So I guess Kick will be blocked in Belgium eventually
More like Wild West, it's inevitable as popularity grows and advertisers see the crazy stuff that goes down, it has to become more civilised.
With the people that have gone to Kick so far, I'll definitely stick with Twitch and RUclips. Not to mention that I still don't trust the entire operation considering that Stake is not just any gambling website, but a largely unregulated crypto casino in Curacao. To me, Kick just seems like a business venture to launder their crypto money while at the same time attracting more people to gambling. As bad as Amazon is with their anti-union campaigns and terrible working conditions, at least they offer something of a useful service. Stake just abuses addiction to print money without creating anything aside from debt.
And viewers don't get stuck in amazon warehouses by watching twitch, but they do suffer gambling addictions from kick
What about the hopeless cases of egirl addiction
@@Lislio umm just don't get addicted? Weak-willed losers always try to shift accountability. You aren't forced to gamble. It's just there, but it's there either way, one click away. Stop blaming others for your own bad decisions.
@@Josith13 Just say no (who are we kidding, we need professional help)
@@cattysplat "We" :) ? lol ok I can't say my ledger is entirely clean. Let's just say I've never paid for just a "Thank you :D" though...
Love the rants keep them coming!!
just your explanation of hot take had me in fits haha.
It will be interesting to see how regulatory agencies handle Kick. Their big deals have made absolute WAVES in the news cycle which is a double-edged sword. It's put them on the map almost overnight which means all kinds of organizations are going to be looking at it. If the orgs like the record labels come after it too soon, they're not gonna have the ability to implement safe harbor systems in time like Twitch did. Furthermore, implementing those systems will directly decimate the type of audience they want to capture.
There's a reason why Kick was set up in Australia, but at the end of the day so much server hosting and internet control is still retained by the U.S. so... if big corpos push the feds into strong-arming AWS, etc. in shutting down access to Kick... well yeah it'll be interesting.
Very true. Tho I’m not sure Amazon would even consider axing kick regardless of how popular it gets. It would set a terrible precedent where a providing company can deny you service if you compete with a subsidiary of said company. That would create a worse outcome for Amazon than kick totally killing off twitch. If that could happen of course. We will see though! We will see.
@@bigman7856 Amazon would 100% comply if the feds came knocking and said "shut them down". Which has happened in the past. Otherwise yeah, you're right.
Kick having no ads that play when watching a stream is a huge + for me.
Every single time I want to watch a new streamer on twitch, I have to sit through 3-6 ads. I would rather just click and watch without being subjected to a minute of ads
Same here!
I avoid Twitch because of that. I just want to discover new streamers that I can chill out to.
The ads will come if it gets popular. It's the business model of every new start up for the past 20 years to make the experience convenient at first. The squeeze comes later.
@@Talagul depends on the type of ads as well. Twitch has in video ads as well as banner ads. If kick implements ads that aren’t as obnoxious as twitch, it’ll still be a more convenient viewing experience.
@@desOOOm they will come to Kick eventually, specially as small audience streamer numbers - that generate more stress in their infrastructure than they can pay for in audience to Stake - increase.
Adds always come down the road. Kick is still trying to grow and audience. When they feel they managed that goal, then the heavy monetization will start. Don't be naïve. They are losing hundreds of millions right now, they are a business, in the end they will need to make profit.
What is my preference? Well I'm here aren't I?
Kick wants to appeal to the kind of guy who would drop money on Fifa Ultimate Team.
don't you have to spend money to play fut?
Fifa ultimate team generated $1.6Billion in net revenue in 2021 alone. If I were an executive in the gaming industry I'd want to appeal to that kind of guy too.
You might not be big and important to Kick, but you are big and important to me.
I think as long as kick starts getting better moderation which over time it will give those options to streamers I think that given time kick will become less edgy. In the end I personally think that Kick being a competitor is great because this will make twitch have to make better decisions even if you dont agree with Stake it will indirectly pressure twitch.
yea, i'm more interested in what improvements in moderation and TOS they'll put in, which they seem to be doing quickly. here is the thing, yes its made by a gambling site and some very questionable people are involved in the company; but also...twitch is owned by amazon a company that has a whole other set of problems with questionable business practices and human rights issues with warehouse workers, etc etc. so in the end they're both shady companies; which ones have more to off you as the streamer?
Thank you for having a reasonable take on this
With the ethics involved, not wanting to be on a platform that enables bigotry, Kick having worse discoverability, tags, and functionality than Twitch, and the gambling and crypto stuff, I will never own a Kick account. It just feels like the next Mixer or Facebook Gaming in terms of where it's headed. I would rather foster and be a part of safer and more inclusive communities, and frankly just use a site that has a better viewing experience.
I understand that Twitch is owned by Amazon, and that they take 50% of streamer revenue and have ramped up ads and made a lot of bad decisions lately, but that's not near as bad as Kick to me. Twitch is by far the better and smarter choice.
I prefer watching on Twitch and all but I really don't get this ethics argument. Amazon is as bad as Stake, just look up their history of scandals regarding workplace environment among many other things, its really disgusting.
I understand your other points I just don't get taking any side in the Amazon vs Stake thing, its like comparing filth to filth, you'd rather not have to prefer either.
I'd also argue Kick has a better viewing 'experience' with less ads and all that. The amount of advertising on Twitch has really been insane lately..
Glad that Josh has, once again, voiced the same thing I'm aalways telling people: it's not just the revenue split, it's the culture. I personally don't like/understand Twitch culture. The chat is nonsense and jibberish to me. I watch almost exclusively RUclips streamers now, and i dont see myself navigating to a separate site to check for people that i like
You can avoid much of that on smaller streamers. Chat sticks to speaking in clear language instead of emotes and reactionary.
I like watching streams often after the fact, sometimes much later. Twitch sucks at that, doubt Kick would be better. RUclips allows me to see what I've watched already, how far in I got, and the vids stay up even if I watch them like a month later. While live Twitch is generally a bit better, the drop function and link to Amazon Prime are neat. I like competition though, Twitch has lots of favoritism, some really bizarre bans, strong political leanings etc. I welcome Kick as a valid competitor. People should go where they prefer, both content creators and viewers. I'll stick mainly with RUclips for now though.
I wonder if Kick will make Twitch a nicer place to hang out.
I'm hoping you can find the money for 2 warhammer armies. That sounds really cool
There is so much disingenuous going on right now...people saying "oh, Amazon is bad too". I'm honestly disgusted seeing that take. The levels of oversight between amazon and stake aren't even comparable. Stake literally cannot be touched. At least Amazon has some accountability within the country they operate in. I'm so socked people like Asmon are defending them, seems very out of character, like trying to prepare people for his eventual deal
i'm not sure where you got the statistic that toxic behavior or misogyny are predictors of gambling addiction. the most common risk factors for addictive behavior are anxiety, depression, or existing substance abuse/addiction. there is certainly correlation between toxic behavior and gambling addiction, but the relationship is most likely in the reverse, where the addiction causes the outwardly destructive behavior
This.
I watched Dougdougs stream last week. It's rare you see a streamer go out of their way to get their entire stream copyright claimed because of music on purpose!
Kick is more of a "free space" rather than "safe space". People can say whatever they want, good or bad.
good.
@@hdgevin and when does it ever stop with "saying whatever they want"? Also, recount exactly who gets targeted.
@@brandonrathbone3690Hopefully, never.
@@brandonrathbone3690 "who gets targeted"
Everyone. I don't buy into your social stack.
It’s the edgelord space for people to say and behave how they want mostly free of consequences
Sounds great.
@@DousedInPiss says the edgelords who never matured passed 14
@@brandonrathbone3690 I Know right? It's only 14 year old edgelords who value being able to speak your mind without being punished for it.
@@DousedInPiss I know right? It's only immature 14 year olds who falsely assume that there is ever such a thing as "being able to say whatever you want without being punished for it."
Disagree? Go yell "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater then get back to the rest of us. You'll figure out how irrational your ideas are.
@@brandonrathbone3690 Funny you say in the other thread that I couldn't address the point (despite actually doing that) then right here you don't actually what I say.
As usual, you folks are incapable of not being hypocrites.
0:38 stop looking at me like that im getting BRICKED UP
Honestly this comment section is about what you would expect from an MMO channel. Don't know why i thought it'd be different.
Kick executives: He's out of line but he's right
"where do you feel safe?"
The correct answer: Where ever the RuneScape Lan Party with Josh is
Dude, the intro to this video is fucking Spinal Tap turned up to 11. Beautiful man.
they offered me 90m and im not about that life. Love it
If everyone was like Josh, the world might not be on fire.
literally the only + of twitch for me is floating window on phone
Someone give this man £10 million right now so we can get streams on a small yacht
We need gold plated waistcoats with jewelled pocket watch and top hat.
"You can't say no. You're not allowed to."
"Yes Daddy."
I'm definitely more comfortable as a viewer on youtube for a variety of reasons. I never feel like youtube is trying to steal my money, which I appreciate. I also find content creators on youtube put more time in effort into their content simply by nature and I appreciate that fact. It's much easier to search and find the content I'm looking for. Live streams can be entertaining, but I find the twitch communities to often be just the lowest common denominator of people. For that reason, I fully support Kick pulling people to that platform that I would rather not associate with.
12:45 that's the hot take... You could buy a combat patrol at max, on sale of course
You can only kick with your leg and twitch with whatever body part you want to. Don't tell me that the video is about something else! 🤡
poo poo stinky fart
This is exactly what the video is about
Why does this sound grandpa wholesome and equally sexually unwholesome.
Shout out to my addiction OSRS and its also because of Josh I even tried the game....
Using a very bad analogy with Albion or maybe Ultima Online, Twitch is the player that normally does PVE and ocassional PVP in groups, while Kick is the Gank Squad in a grief zone.
Looks like I should give Kick a try
10:28 I'm not saying Josh should advertise any particular brand but I shelled out for an adjustable desk frame and it's been life-changing for my home-office days.
So I'm all for advertising standing desks in general.
I guess it depends what do you fancy. Soft pronography or gambling.
Josh goes under soft pornography, of course, such a handsome man.
Twitch bans people like Ice Poseidon and Adin Ross who do/say edgy shit and also banned gambling sites that aren't licensed in the US from what I understand. That's pretty much the only difference content wise, both have gambling and bikini streamers.
@@th3w0wnub I did enjoy when aiden Ross was edgy enough to sniff the seat of Andrew Tate after Tate left the room. It was like he was snorting a line of cocaine
yeah i can never decide whether to masturbate like a normal person or rob my family and take 5000% interest loans just to give it all to scammers
This… is a very good look at how a community’s leader sets the tone.
My only response to someone offering me 10 million pounds is asking what I was getting 10 million pounds of because I'm American and very confused.
"Kick, the OTHER streaming website" ......
RUclips: "Pardon, what?"
"Save spaces" come with a heavy price tag. But this really made me think. Kudos.
I’m all in on RUclips even though I don’t particularly like Google’s ethics. I feel RUclips is already not super well moderated but it’s miles better than most social media/video/streaming platforms out there. It’s a huge fear for me that RUclips might eventually follow the lead of Twitter and Kick and decide they can make more money by doing minimal moderation and letting it turn into a hostile environment. For me, RUclips is probably the best thing about the internet, and it’s scary to see it as fragile, especially when there’s no viable alternative to RUclips
RUclipss automation will forever hold it back is my guess
It’s terribly moderated but it’s insanely over regulated
there are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of illegal videos with a few views that are not deleted. A french youtube made a series of video on it it stunned me
He failed to end it with "An ocean....of Smart water"
Damn! I thought you said you had some hot cakes, and I was looking forward to breakfast!
Josh sounds like hes selling monster energy drinks
Dang viza is gonna be eating good tonight with this clip.
Thank you for this 100%! This is a nuanced opinion in a sea of bad takes from many content creators. I have no issues with people choosing an option that is financially beneficial to them and helps them pay their bills. What I do have an issue with is people pretending that Amazon and Kick are morally equivalent - therefore the choice doesn't matter. Yes, Amazon is a horrible corporation - but Kick is a front for a degenerate, unregulated gambling organization that quite literally profits off of addiction and destructive behavior. Just be upfront about your motivations. Don't try to have your cake and eat it too by rationalizing your choice as both ethically sound and financially advantageous.
Amazon and therefore twitch have deals with sports betting which has ruined generations of people all of which are realistically unregulated as the sports betting companies own the regulatory bodies.
They are not equivalent it's true as amazon and twitch are spreading sports betting more children than kick could ever hope too.
An ad came at the perfect time to make it seem like josh said “what I make sure they GET is - Mr. Clean magic erasers”
I couldn't go to kick because streamers, and online gambling makes for a huge scam one way or another. Either the streamers is using funny money, then not win earnings and/or the games are rigged in their favor to market to the people at home. If RUclips got better emote channel abilities I would prefer that, but until then Twitch is preferred.
I am definitely anti-snowflake, but kick goes beyond anti-snowflake and boarders into anti-viewer practices favoring pro-streamer practices. There are lines that kick crosses that I disagree with, but with any website, I can just choose not to visit it, I feel like the responsibility of content censorship falling on the website is wrong and if the viewer or person clicking on the website should be held more responsible for just not clicking on sketchy websites or to just not watch Content they dislike, parents should also be responsible for protecting their children not the website
I'm not in that position so I'll never have to worry about the dilemma of being offered $10 million, all of which has been extracted from people who may or may not suffer from mental illness which predisposes them to gambling addiction
i bet you buy groceries and food from people that suffer from poor worker conditions......get off your high horse and listen to his words in the vids. its not about the executives its about competition so twitch isnt a monopoly
@@derigel7662 How's that in any way related, are you stupid?
@@derigel7662 then support platforms that DONT try to hook people into gambling like kick is. This isn't a binary. It's not "twitch of kick." You have choices. That is, if your goal is actually to support other platforms to reduce a monopoly, and not to simply air grievances about the platform twitch
@@derigel7662here are all these kick simping schizophrenic's coming from lmao
I'd be happy with youtube if they made a better streaming UI and a better chat, but kick is probably the very last streaming website i'd want to visit. They're way too out there with their gambling connections, and i don't see them moving away from those ideas at any point in time. Twitch is mostly comfy for me, I'm not the biggest fan of the audiences of most streamers i watch but at least the chat is entertaining. Most things that twitch has done "bad" have little to no effect on the people watching/the audience, I really couldn't care less about pay cuts for streamers, I just want to watch the content i enjoy. The only thing that's bothersome is the amount of ads and well, there's twitch turbo that seems to be a decent deal. They've honestly improved the platform a lot with things like mod tools, some chat additions like channel point betting; I don't see any other streaming service putting that much effort into audience interaction, and that's mostly why i'll stick with Twitch until some other company can come up with a better viewing experience.
Whats the issue with RUclips chat ? I am geniuntly asking ! I have tried both and i just coudnt vibe with twitch at all , some people use emotes that dont appear in chat , too many ads , makes me open up twitch and suggests me irrelevant people . Meanwhile RUclips for me i can just randomly catch one of the people im subbed to during a stream . Doe i guess twitch is useful for twitch drops ( which i just mute and put in the background ) .
Thank you, Josh. For your integrity and content in general, but for this video in particular. I was about to make an account on Kick, just to secure my nickname, but then read up on the company and people behind it and immediately stumbled upon the connection to the red-pill alpha male and gambling culture. I decided not to make an account and was astonished no one I know of had talked about any of this yet.
replace "gambler" with "simp" and "kick" with "twitch"
I only ever feel safe in Josh Strife Hays firm and powerful arms
RUclips > RUclips > Kick > Twitch
I use twitch for drops, kick doesn't have em. The end.
That wish at the end will go for a tad more than 10 million quid mate
“You’d take the kick deal if you were offered 10million for it”, but under what context? Why would kick want to spend that much money? It’s because the person their offering the money to already has a popularity base large enough to be notable to the platform. At that point, the streamer is already making well over enough money to support themselves. ‘You would take the 10million’, no, no I wouldn’t. With context taken into consideration, that amount of wealth is only for the
"I've got thoughts, I've got opinions." Ooo that's controversial, Josh.
"I'm not a patreon because i don't get anything" - "that's fine, but I tend to make sure people 'get' is *ad plays*" nice touch.
Heya, fellow furries and otakus! This is your Ice Wolf pal, Kiba Snowpaw, with a winter storm of thoughts, opinions, and some wild witticisms for you all. Having been around the digital block a time or two (since the '80s, if you can believe it), I've seen my fair share of gaming revolutions, anime clashes, and manga masterpieces. But today, I'm here to talk about a virtual face-off of an entirely different kind.
I'm talking about none other than the 'Kick vs Twitch' video by Josh Strife Says, a thunderous clash of streaming titans that's had me on the edge of my snowy seat. This video is a sleek and stealthy leopard, balancing between gaming chatter, streaming dilemmas, and dashes of good humor that sneak up and surprise you when you least expect it.
To start with, let's appreciate the question Josh brings up: "What is good for the audience?" It's a refreshing perspective that often gets lost in the race to the top. Like a lone wolf stepping up for its pack, he stands up for the overlooked - us, the viewers. His unique insight makes me feel as included as a wolf in a full moon howling spree.
And now, to address the ice dragon in the room, the rivalry between Kick and Twitch. It's like watching two alphas in a turf war, both different yet sharing a common goal. Twitch is like the older, experienced leader of the pack, whereas Kick seems to be the young, ambitious wolf challenging the status quo.
And just when you think things are getting too heated, Josh whips out lines like, "I could at least afford 2 Warhammer armies," and the tension dissolves faster than a snowflake on a hot stove. With quips as sharp as icicles, Josh makes sure there's never a dull moment.
But even amidst the humor, the video doesn't shy away from tackling serious issues. The mention of Kick's 'edginess' and the potential for better moderation is reminiscent of our own struggles in the furry community. It's like having to choose between two packs, each with its strengths and weaknesses.
On a lighter note, I couldn't help but chuckle at the hilarious prediction of "bikini blackjack streams on Kick. In a hot tub." That's a future sight funnier than a fox with a keyboard!
All in all, Josh's video serves up a hearty dish of gaming culture, streaming politics, and pop humor - all in a single package. It's like the perfect combo in a boss fight or a well-placed punchline in a comedy anime.
In the spirit of Kiba Snowpaw, I give this video an enthusiastic howl of approval. So, tune in to Josh Strife's video for a good laugh, a fair bit of enlightenment, and a whole lot of insights about the world of streaming. Trust this old Ice Wolf; it's worth the watch.
As I always say, "May your games never lag, and your streams be ever smooth!" This is Kiba Snowpaw, signing off for now. Howl you later!
I could listen to this guy talk for hours
At the end of the day, the vast majority (if not all) of the people in this comment section bemaoning the fostering and creation of a safe community on twitch, simply arent part of the groups being othered by the toxic or dangerous corners of twitch. They arent in any danger of their groups attacking or targeting them. And that dictates their desire to see twitch not take strides to foster and create a safe community.
100% this
Wrong. The whole "safe space" thing is idiotic and only breeds weakness. Everyone is responsible for their own response to something. If someone is unable to maturely deal with negative stimulus then that's on them.
Yeah but I don't give a shit about those people and actually see them as a problem. The world is getting increasingly censored and sensitive for the sake of these "targeted" groups. Before 2012 or so I was tolerant, maybe even accepting, of these groups. I let them into my spaces, my life, and welcomed them, then they started telling me what I can and can't say, that my words were X/Y/Z bad things, that I was an X-ist because I made an edgy joke. These people can fuck off, if they don't feel "safe" (aka can't censor others) and thus don't join a platform that's great for me.
RUclips told my content would be "disliked" by people, another example of this tone policing.
@@TheClintonio no, that's an example of RUclips trying to foster content they can monetize with ads. What do you think happens when advertisers don't think the content on a website they are advertising on, appeals to people?
safety =\= quality and enjoyment.
Allowing offensive havens to exist perpetuates an acceptance of offence in RL.
Current politics proves this well.
We need to wake up to the damage a relaxed atitude to cruelty is causing.
uh oh! we can't have anyone saying anything offensive!
Muh hate speech!!
crimson chin over here wishes happy grooming upon everyone
@@DousedInPiss so you can't actually address that point?
@@hdgevin you should stop trying to groom kids.
"Where do you feel more secure?"
~Not that I feel more secure, but I do like YT more because well... it's YT...
My preference? RUclips. Everyone hass a YouTuube account almost whoevevr uses the internet in generall and sstreaming there is also easy.
Only difference between kick and twitch in my eyes is i won't get droned striked for playing 2 seconds of music i like lmao
The idea of "safety" in an inherently parasocial relationship is absurd. If you need a safe space anywhere online, you should probably go outside and touch grass and disconnect for a while.
0:00 "Give me the meat and give it to me raw!"
Oy! Microwaves can melt high-melting metals, did you know? Watch explosions&fire or extractions&ire (whichever it is). There was a recent (as of June 2023) video he made about microwaving niobium. So don't underestimate microwave ovens.
"At least 2 warhammer armies" I'm dead. XD
Very interesting perspective and true... gambling be damned...
Ah, the discussion that got the reddit post posted... I'm only here to see which way YT CC says Doug Doug, or Dog Dog... or is it Duck Duck. Thanks YT, All three got used and I'm... oh when he talked fast we didn't get dougdougdoug, we just get doug dog. OK YT NO GOOD!
I'd rather have my own tube than to get kicked until i twitch all day.
Normal streamer: Boys, I think I've got a hot take
Josh: I've got a hot take. Actually, a warm take. More like a microwaved take, but you haven't stored it, so the middle is still kind of cold, it's ice if anything but the outside boiling when you mix it all together and you know everything it's probably a warm take it's like a low energy take i'm not gonna say hot take i don't want to excite you too much
Man that integrated add was point perfect ... U were talking about patron and at the moment " what i get you" came the add for purina catfood 😂😂😂😂😂😂