Link is also in the description, but since a few people have been asking, here's the link to stream the finished song featured in the video! ampl.ink/E9PvQ
If u want to kill that hiss from your monitors it might help to try and upgrade your power conditioner the ones in the 3k range ive heard it helps you to make better mix decisions and your mixes will sound much better
Came here to say the same. Subscribed. I used to work in a music store as their tech guy, I need to pop in there again and make sure they know about this. Very interesting that if you have many translated plugins in a session that it's less efficient than translating all of Logic. Thanks! I've ordered but am still waiting on an M1 Ultra Studio (48c, 64GB) which is going to be quite the upgrade from my current Mac... which is a 2012 MacBook Pro :)
I bought the same but with 4TB SSD, upgrading from a 2014 MacBook Pro 16gb/1TB SSD and I’m a Logic guy. It’s such a game changer, I’m doing everything “in the box” with UAD plugins, all virtual instruments, and all digital mixing. No more outboard gear. No pre-amps, no more channel strips, no outboard compression, eq or effects. When I leave my studio, I unplug 1 USB-C cable and take everything with me in the M1 Max MacBook. I love it!!!
This was probably the best video I've seen so far on these new MBP's for music production. I have been scouring the internet for as much info as possible and your video was so informative and thorough - really great job! Thank You.
Hey Tano. I'm a huge fan of your music and channel. I was a little surprised at your metrics since you have maxed out spec on your Macbook Pro (except the disk). I am sure it can do a lot better. Here's why... I purchased my Mac Mini M1 with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD in Feb 2021. I mostly create orchestral/Epic/trailer type of music and 98% of my plugins are Kontakt (free and full version) plugins. I usually create each track with an instance of Kontakt with ONLY one instrument loaded inside the Kontakt. I hate all that Kontakt with multi-timbral tracks as it really slows down my workflow. I have projects with 145 tracks where at least 100 of them use Kontakt and I have not had any issues in Rosetta mode. I did try to run Logic Pro X in native and I had the dreaded "audio overload" message pop up many times. But in Rosetta mode, I have not had that. Further more, I usually freeze most of my tracks that I know I probably wont edit again, then I can have over 200 tracks!! And yes I have NEVER heard the fan turn on... ever!!
Damn if I found this a month ago it would’ve helped so much😭I literally had the exact same problem with running plug-ins in fl. Same deal except I didn’t understand why they weren’t working. I figured out the ones that weren’t working were all vst and intel, I then found out you have to run it through Rosetta. Super glad you touched on this tho, will definitely help a lot of ppl. I also agree about everything working flawless through Rosetta
@2.49 you mention the 32-core GPU being great for video editing and after effects animation, would you say it would be enough for someone who wants to stream their music production process? Like using Ableton, while pushing out to multiple displays and capturing 1-2 cameras? I can’t seem to find any reviews or info with streamers/music producers using this machine 😩
I've upgraded to a new generation MPB recently, after only a few months working with a brand new 2019 MBP, maxed out. I was very excited when I got it, to then find out I couldn't record any vocals or acoustic guitars with it because of the loudest fan noise imaginable. So glad the newer MBP are quiet and I'm looking forward to finally recording my own music. :)
Thanks for sharing this informative video. I just got the same spec MacBook Pro and I’m still setting it up. Just got UA Apollo x4 and about to set it up. I am glad that you mentioned ProTools works. I am so glad I saw your video 👍🏻 All the best to you.
I'm really tempted to get these machines, they are wicked fast, though I am still holding on a little bit to see what the M2 Macbook Air/Pro will bring, because M1 Pro is almost outside of my budget, these things cost but I believe they are worth the cost.
I’m just going to say, if you’re deciding on whether this is worth the price, don’t buy it. This computer is for people who straight up need the power. If this is going to be your one computer for 10 years, sure. If this is just because you like it, get the lower end version or a PC. I’m on a PC and I love these new machines, but I find it difficult to imagine a scenario that would push this level of power. The amount of computing you can do with this thing is….wow. Way more power than anyone without a full studio can justify.
@@Skyfalcon12345 I agree, and even the M1 Macbook Air (with 16gb ram) is a really capable computer for audio work. Been using it for 9 months now and really no complaints.
Hey - quick question. I have a similar desk setup, where the 16” MacBook M1 Max is in front of my 4K monitor, and my midi controller keyboard is in a drawer. With the drawer out, it’s a long reach to the MacBook. I see you have another keyboard and mouse, presumably so you don’t have to reach for the MacBook keyboard and track pad. Which keyboard and mouse is it? AND, where do you position the keyboard and mouse when the drawer is out?
@@TanoBrock This is in everything... Ableton 11, Ableton 11.1 (M1 Native), Logic, Luna, etc... I have a M1 Pro but only 16GB RAM. I wonder if that is the issue?
hey Tano! glad to stumble across your video here. I'm here rocking an M1 Macbook Air with 16gb, and i've been amazed at what it can handle (it keeps up with my two year old i9-9900k desktop). I'm curious if you are actually making use of the 64gb, with all those Kontakt instances or other sample-based VIs. Have you kept an eye on the RAM pressure? I haven't been hitting the 16gb really even, but I don't use a lot of VIs, more audio tracks. If I were to go up to a Macbook Pro, I feel like i'd probably go for the M1 Pro with 32gb ram. Curious about your experience here. Also FYI Pro Tools 2021.12 has been certified for Monterey now, with an update to the PT plugins to 2022.3. (Still under Rosetta of course.) It's working great here. Edit: just saw you answered my question in a different comment, but leaving my comment here anyway to say hi
Peter! So great to hear from you! In RUclips comments of all places haha! I think 32GB RAM is plenty for most audio use cases. I haven't monitored RAM pressure super closely, but I've checked it here and there, and it's always in the green when using Logic/Pro Tools. In the M1 native stress test I showed in the video, Logic was using 21GB of RAM. I've noticed more RAM usage when using After Effects, especially in projects with lots of layers. Thanks for the info about Pro Tools! I'll have to update.
Thanks for a great video!! Got a few questions: 1. why does one core almost overload when you play the song in rosetta mode 2. why doesn't it use all the 10 cores? What's your processing threads settings and process buffer range settings? Thanks!
1. It’s because of the limiters on my master bus. The last cpu thread deals with stuff that’s happening last, at the end of the chain before output. As I mentioned I have two limiters with oversampling on there, which is the most cpu intensive thing happening in the session. Still plays smoothly though, even with that thread maxing out! 2. I had the thread settings in Logic on Automatic, which I guess meant using 8 cores. My understanding is that there are 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores, so I guess Logic on automatic just uses the 8 performance cores. I haven't done extensive testing on how it compares with forcing Logic to use all 10...
Super dope! Did you install one plugin at it time? Or did you do a migration from your 2019? Would you recommend installing one plugin at it time or you think we can get away with migration?
If you have plugins in your logic session that aren't compiled for ARM (Apple silicon) and you run Logic in native mode you'll get the kind of performance you've experienced yes. I.e. much worse. Basically all plugins need to native if you want to avoid that kind of performance penalty that you've experienced. Running Logic via Rosetta obviously fixes that but isn't ideal either. What you want is everything compiled for ARM. When that happens you'll get a performance that far eclipses what you get via the Rosetta workaround. Until then your options are kind of limited. Don't run any plugins that aren't compiled for Apple Silicon or use Rosetta. It sucks a little because we're almost two years into this and some of the major vendors like NI or Avid for example still haven't done much to port their large product portfolios to ARM.
The machine you bought is so expensive that your video is irrelevant to 95% of the people interested in getting a mac for music production. So you saved me the time of watching by listing your options up front.
Excellent video. Very helpful. Slightly off topic, but would you care to share what reverb(s) and delays(s) were used on the female lead vocal? That sounded rather lovely. Thanks
Good stuff. I have the same configuration m1 max and will be checking various software (with plug in environments) that I use both in rosetta and native mode to check performance.
I've been looking at Mac reviews on youtube for the past 2 months to help decide which device I will be buying to upgrade my music studio. I can confidently say this is the most helpful video I have seen! You are the man. I'm leaning towards the base Mac studio with 32gb of ram due to some budget constraints. Im really just trying to find the best pure performance value for around $2000. Any thoughts? I run a lot of heavy 3rd party plugins (fab filter/H-reverb/serum) but not as much as the project you had in this vid.
Hey man first time here, great video and really good talking bro. Quick question, as a composer ( kontakt libraries) and not a full time job on music, yet, would you recommend for me getting the M1 pro with 32 ram and 2 TB? My main reason is the money cause I am working at another job right now and planning to upgrade cause I am working on an iMac 2016 and been struggling a lot with my projects.
Hey man! That configuration would be incredible. To be honest, any M1 pro/max machine is going to be an upgrade from your 2016 iMac, so I would just get what you can afford! But yes 32gb Ram and 2TB of storage will be awesome.
Great job again! Thanks for this. One question I’ve always had, and that one of your stress tests reminded me of: Does note density affect CPU performance? A lot, a little, not at all? Sometimes I would get the feeling (on my Trash Can) that if the VI parts I was writing were more “note-y” (lots of nerdy prog stuff, etc), the machine would get bogged down quicker than if the parts were more sparse (emo, new age 😁). Never really had the time or the inclination to do any proper tests., though. Wondering what your take would be on that. Other than that, thanks again for helping us make better buying decisions! Cheers!
Thank you. You answered a lot of questions. For your Pro Tools rig, are. you running HDX? For any of your studio pieces, are you running a PCIe expansion box?
Hello so I’m kind of new at this whole music production things but my boyfriend is a musician and I’m looking for a new computer for him to produce on, he doesn’t produce that much but he records music a lot an mix it, witch Mac do thing will suit the best ?
Really useful video. Has the fan stayed silent after all this time? I’m in a iMac 2013 heavily using plug-ins and have to freeze everything. I’m having trouble deciding between the Mac Studio and mbp M1 Max similar specs as yours.
THIS is probably the config i want in the new m1 max studio since I do design AND produce music. I need the extra GPU oomph and Im running into CPU walls with my music on my current machine.
If your budget will allow, and you want to keep the machine for 5+ years, consider getting the base M1 Ultra chip - you then get 20 CPU cores vs 10 cores, and more GPU cores of course.... it's expensive but you're literally getting double the CPU performance so in the long term that would be pretty great for video workflows etc, you get more media encode engines too. But it is pricey.
@@darwiniandude i don’t do video any more. I used to do a lot of after effects work but now only design so its still frames. Twice could would be great if the programs i use really took advantage. Same with the GPU but as a designer i can only work so fast. As an example im still working on a 13 year old 5,1 mac pro. Lol. Its been totally upgraded with ssd’s.CPU.Gpu and ram. It still works fine for me with design. Its the music and synth requirements im running into problems. Im not in a hurry so i’m still watching. A lot of my music apps still aren’t native yet. Apples pro level machines might be interesting too but a mid level machine might be fine for me.
This is more difficult than it seems originally. If the M1 mini falls short for your workload there's a little chance that the M1 Pro / Max will too , mainly because the CPU core difference is minimal ( 8 CPU core on the mini, vs 10 on the Pro and the Max). The real benefit of M1 Pro and M1 Max over the original M1 is the Ram memory that is put at your disposal. But again, 2000 bucks for memory and a couple of CPU cores.. doesnt add to me. It gets even worse with the base Mac Studio. It is the same M1 Max, with 10 cores only. This puzzles me. I'd love to see a video of someone testing the same project in a m1 vs a m1 pro vs m1 max vs m1 ultra. Seems everyone if focused on video.. unfortunately.
M1 has 4 performance and 4 efficiency cores, whereas m1pro or max have 8 performance and 2 efficiency cores. So multicore cpu bump is in fact significant with twice the performance cores.
Thanks for such an informative video! I was wondering what your experience has been for compatibility between midi controllers/midi keyboards and the new m1 macbooks. I have read online some controllers and keyboards do not work. I am thinking about getting the same specs as your laptop but in a 14" macbook pro. I have an akai mpk mini play that I'd like to keep using when I upgrade my computer, but am fine getting something else in the mean time if that means it will work. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them. Thanks so much for any guidance you can give, and again thanks for the great video! :)
Hi! Glad you enjoyed the video. I have a Novation MIDI keyboard/controller and it works perfectly. Can’t speak for Akai as I don’t have any Akai gear right now.
I was actually torn between getting a Mac book or a Mac Studio for producing music and wanted to go with the studio only because of how quiet it is but if you tell me you can’t hear any fans even with big sessions on mac book pro illl guess I’ll go with that since I’ll get the mobility too .. thanks
What version of pro tools are you using and with what plugins? Just trying to get feedback on what is working and what isn’t before I purchase and install everything. You and I have the same computer. Many thanks!
Now I wonder what you will think of the Mac Studio Ultra?! 😇🧐😅 Cubase , Ableton or Logic Pro? What might be best for a new recording singer and voice actor at home using Audient id 14 mkll?! 😉 amy advice? Thanks!
If you are not familiar with any DAWs, then see which one looks best to you, out of the ones you have mentioned. They pretty much all have the same features. Ableton being geared more towards live performance but with updates, is becoming more like Cubase and Logic. My preference is Logic x, mainly because I use a mac and it does everything I need it to, plus many excellent updates which have all Been free so far. Many people speak positively about Reaper which is one of the cheapest DAWs and Garageband (mac only), alot like Logic and is Free.
“Besides the storage” Bro what? I can’t even come close to using up 256 GB for music making. The base model M1 Air is overkill for music production & most other types of users as well. What are you people talking about?
It really depends on your work flow! I’ve already used up 1TB of storage on this machine. Lots of things in my workflow take up a lot of space: 96k audio files that I receive to mix, 4K video files, photoshop files, after effects animation assets, etc. And in terms of CPU power and RAM, I am definitely using this machine to its fullest capacity, recording and mixing large projects with lots of sample libraries and plugins, animating in after effects, video editing, etc. so it really depends on what you need to do! For the things mentioned above, this machine has been perfect.
only 140 Kontakt Tracks? I saw another reviews where an asian guy with same m1 max specs coul have run 240 Orchester Libraries Tracks. It would be nice to know which Kontakt Instruments did you have load. Kontakt Version 6.7 do support M1 Apple Silicon native now. It would be nice if you can test if there is a big performance Difference between Kontakt rosetta and native mode!
Yeah, it definitely depends on the Kontakt instrument. I was running a Vintage Organs instrument. I don’t have the latest Kontakt yet, but I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know! I will update soon.
The model presented in the video is way over spec'ed and in no way necessary for music production. I recom the 2020 256ssd 8gb Macbook air model. It is pretty capable and you can do basic music production / recording with ease. But you need to discipline yourself in your workflow to make the most out of the limited Ram... for example having a browser open with 20 tabs or watching 4k content or streaming on twitch while recording wont fly. There's also a limit how much sample based instruments the machine can take with only 8gb ram. If you can afford it, I'd go with 16 GB ram. Essentially there's no way to upgrade the machine with more ram later. The 256 GB ssd also requires some focus on music production. But at least you will be able to add an external ssd driver later. So I'd say for recording real instruments or voices and with non samples based VSTs a Mac air 2020 with 8GB/256GB can work. However you will feel the limitation in terms of ram. 16GB ram will be in the Goldilocks zone... and ssd storage wise you can decide later to add external storage if necessary. the Mac Mini is also worth checking out !
@@TJ-hs1qm wow thank you so so much this really was the answer I needed, I will check the mini Mac out and also the air one so thank you for sharing this knowledge 🙏🏽😊
Tano, thank you for the video. I’m in the process of saving for a MacBook Pro. I have an iMac 2015 and using 32gb ram. Even though I’m new and learning everything, my only wish is to carry my laptop with me on the road or places I can go and do music. You are using The Pro and I need help in deciding the features. I would like to have the 16” screen ( my eyesight) and maybe I can do 2tb and 32 ram. Would this be rebirth to last awhile😱? Thank you
hello ! im thinking about swithing from windows to mac my whole recording studio where i also record and edit 4k files. how are you feeling about this jobs? thanks!!!
What is the procedure for opening LPX in the Rosetta mode? I have a standard M1 and I just installed LPX 10.7.3 while I’m updating my macmini intel 2018 to Monterey and the; Then new version of LPX. Thanks!
Tano just wondering I’m not a hardcore music producer but if i wanted to make some amateur stuff would a 16 inch base model 32 GB RAM 2 TB Be enough or do i need a beefier Mac? I want the peak battery preformance hence why Im fine not paying for the M1 Max
Hi, thanks for the video! I tried a Logic project using both Apple and IK plugins mostly, and there were not noticeable differences in the Performance Meter for me. The IK are only on Rosetta. I'm using the 13" MBP M1, 16GB. Maybe it depends on which plugins are used/which combo etc.
As I explain in the video, it's because of all the non-native plugins and virtual instruments. If you're running 100% native components within logic, then yes it is faster to run it in native mode.
@@trmus both, I would like to use the Native version but the only plugins that support it are Kontakt and Spitfire stuff. It has to be VST3 AND have native support to work. It is coming though, this year and in the next few months there’s going to be a lot. That being said the transition from an intel iMac to a Rosetta m1Pro has been zero pain
Yes, it’s because of the limiters on my master bus. The last cpu thread deals with stuff that’s happening last, at the end of the chain before output. As I mentioned I have two limiters with oversampling on there, which is the most cpu intensive thing happening in the session. Still plays smoothly though, even with that thread maxing out!
@@TanoBrock amazing thank you for clarifying. Ive also seen some thoughts that the last cpu is dedicated to input and record channels, so if you are in a session recording midi or audio, this may be reflected in that last cpu thread.
@@henriktala huh interesting, I haven't noticed that. I definitely notice a correlation with the final bus/output stage though. When I bypass those limiter, that CPU thread usage goes down to zero.
@@TanoBrock What if you just turn the oversampling off on those limiters? If that made a big difference you could do all your mixing without oversampling and then kick it in just for the final bouncing out.
I got an idea and im using ur video as a tome stamp… forged elevated rubber “feet” to elivate the bottom off the desk or whatever so if you spill something on the same surface that it will not get into the computer
this is scary for me im a windows user laptop and want to jump to mac and use multiple drum vsts i want the low latency of a thunderbolt inface for realtime drumming, but they are hungry programs and dont know what to do, really doing my nut as im not a tech head, help lol
Link is also in the description, but since a few people have been asking, here's the link to stream the finished song featured in the video! ampl.ink/E9PvQ
What is your session's sample rate?
If u want to kill that hiss from your monitors it might help to try and upgrade your power conditioner the ones in the 3k range ive heard it helps you to make better mix decisions and your mixes will sound much better
Wow really good info regarding the rosetta/native stuff with Logic. No one else is explaining it like you just did!
Thanks!! Glad it was helpful :)
Came here to say the same. Subscribed. I used to work in a music store as their tech guy, I need to pop in there again and make sure they know about this. Very interesting that if you have many translated plugins in a session that it's less efficient than translating all of Logic. Thanks! I've ordered but am still waiting on an M1 Ultra Studio (48c, 64GB) which is going to be quite the upgrade from my current Mac... which is a 2012 MacBook Pro :)
I bought the same but with 4TB SSD, upgrading from a 2014 MacBook Pro 16gb/1TB SSD and I’m a Logic guy. It’s such a game changer, I’m doing everything “in the box” with UAD plugins, all virtual instruments, and all digital mixing. No more outboard gear. No pre-amps, no more channel strips, no outboard compression, eq or effects. When I leave my studio, I unplug 1 USB-C cable and take everything with me in the M1 Max MacBook. I love it!!!
Do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? Unfortunately I only have cracks 😅
The “Rosetta Stone”. Makes sense. You explained it very well
This was probably the best video I've seen so far on these new MBP's for music production. I have been scouring the internet for as much info as possible and your video was so informative and thorough - really great job! Thank You.
The only realistic stress test I’ve seen on RUclips.
I wish you could test the m2 air.
After 2 months of having a problem running my Izotope plug-in. You just solved all my problems!! Thank you.
So glad it helped!!!
Do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ?
thanks for taking the time to review the MBP.
Hey Tano.
I'm a huge fan of your music and channel.
I was a little surprised at your metrics since you have maxed out spec on your Macbook Pro (except the disk). I am sure it can do a lot better.
Here's why...
I purchased my Mac Mini M1 with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD in Feb 2021.
I mostly create orchestral/Epic/trailer type of music and 98% of my plugins are Kontakt (free and full version) plugins.
I usually create each track with an instance of Kontakt with ONLY one instrument loaded inside the Kontakt. I hate all that Kontakt with multi-timbral tracks as it really slows down my workflow.
I have projects with 145 tracks where at least 100 of them use Kontakt and I have not had any issues in Rosetta mode. I did try to run Logic Pro X in native and I had the dreaded "audio overload" message pop up many times. But in Rosetta mode, I have not had that.
Further more, I usually freeze most of my tracks that I know I probably wont edit again, then I can have over 200 tracks!!
And yes I have NEVER heard the fan turn on... ever!!
I've been considering getting an M1 and you've covered all my concerns. Thank you very helpful video!
Awesome! So glad you found it helpful :)
Wow, GREAT INSIGHT on Rosetta mode and plugins! Very useful
Do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ?
Damn if I found this a month ago it would’ve helped so much😭I literally had the exact same problem with running plug-ins in fl. Same deal except I didn’t understand why they weren’t working. I figured out the ones that weren’t working were all vst and intel, I then found out you have to run it through Rosetta. Super glad you touched on this tho, will definitely help a lot of ppl. I also agree about everything working flawless through Rosetta
Even the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? I only have crack 😅
@2.49 you mention the 32-core GPU being great for video editing and after effects animation, would you say it would be enough for someone who wants to stream their music production process? Like using Ableton, while pushing out to multiple displays and capturing 1-2 cameras? I can’t seem to find any reviews or info with streamers/music producers using this machine 😩
I've upgraded to a new generation MPB recently, after only a few months working with a brand new 2019 MBP, maxed out. I was very excited when I got it, to then find out I couldn't record any vocals or acoustic guitars with it because of the loudest fan noise imaginable. So glad the newer MBP are quiet and I'm looking forward to finally recording my own music. :)
Thanks for sharing this informative video. I just got the same spec MacBook Pro and I’m still setting it up. Just got UA Apollo x4 and about to set it up. I am glad that you mentioned ProTools works. I am so glad I saw your video 👍🏻 All the best to you.
Pro Stools will be compatible by the time the M9 chip is out. Great video.
just bought a 2022 MBP.. thank you for your help!
Hey do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? Like Omnisphere, Kontact etc.. Unfortunately I only have cracks 😅
thats what i wanted to hear =D thanks dude, great review!
Awesome! Glad it was helpful :)
I'm really tempted to get these machines, they are wicked fast, though I am still holding on a little bit to see what the M2 Macbook Air/Pro will bring, because M1 Pro is almost outside of my budget, these things cost but I believe they are worth the cost.
I’m just going to say, if you’re deciding on whether this is worth the price, don’t buy it. This computer is for people who straight up need the power. If this is going to be your one computer for 10 years, sure. If this is just because you like it, get the lower end version or a PC. I’m on a PC and I love these new machines, but I find it difficult to imagine a scenario that would push this level of power. The amount of computing you can do with this thing is….wow. Way more power than anyone without a full studio can justify.
In short... M2 will be better than M1 but not better than M1 PRO/MAX.
@@Skyfalcon12345 I agree, and even the M1 Macbook Air (with 16gb ram) is a really capable computer for audio work. Been using it for 9 months now and really no complaints.
@@PeterJaquesMusicis the Apollo solo interface compatible with the m1 MacBook Air?
Went from windows to Mac and never going back. “It’s just works” is real.
Thanks for the video. Was looking for a review like this
Awesome! Glad it was helpful. Make sure to subscribe! Got lots more stuff in the works :)
This is a beautiful tutorial video for m1 users i guessed!
You just help me so much by reminding me that there is Rosette!!!
Thanks my man! I highly appreciate that 👍🏾
Great video brother 🔥🔥🔥
Definitely one of the best videos out there on running Logic on M1s. Thanks!
Hey - quick question. I have a similar desk setup, where the 16” MacBook M1 Max is in front of my 4K monitor, and my midi controller keyboard is in a drawer. With the drawer out, it’s a long reach to the MacBook. I see you have another keyboard and mouse, presumably so you don’t have to reach for the MacBook keyboard and track pad. Which keyboard and mouse is it? AND, where do you position the keyboard and mouse when the drawer is out?
Mine is a 16” M1 Pro and it clicks and pops and hits 100% CPU spikes with Superior Drummer 3 as well as almost every Kontakt library.
Are you running Logic in Rosetta mode? Or native mode?
@@TanoBrock This is in everything... Ableton 11, Ableton 11.1 (M1 Native), Logic, Luna, etc... I have a M1 Pro but only 16GB RAM. I wonder if that is the issue?
It’s a very long term well known bug in logic or core audio.
Great video, especially now that Mac Studios are out. Was wondering what desk you are using. I don't see it listed on your studio gear list.
you did your research. nice! m1 max should involve video work. its too much for audio. enjoy my brother. how are those kali monitors btw?
hey Tano! glad to stumble across your video here. I'm here rocking an M1 Macbook Air with 16gb, and i've been amazed at what it can handle (it keeps up with my two year old i9-9900k desktop). I'm curious if you are actually making use of the 64gb, with all those Kontakt instances or other sample-based VIs. Have you kept an eye on the RAM pressure? I haven't been hitting the 16gb really even, but I don't use a lot of VIs, more audio tracks. If I were to go up to a Macbook Pro, I feel like i'd probably go for the M1 Pro with 32gb ram. Curious about your experience here.
Also FYI Pro Tools 2021.12 has been certified for Monterey now, with an update to the PT plugins to 2022.3. (Still under Rosetta of course.) It's working great here.
Edit: just saw you answered my question in a different comment, but leaving my comment here anyway to say hi
Peter! So great to hear from you! In RUclips comments of all places haha! I think 32GB RAM is plenty for most audio use cases. I haven't monitored RAM pressure super closely, but I've checked it here and there, and it's always in the green when using Logic/Pro Tools. In the M1 native stress test I showed in the video, Logic was using 21GB of RAM. I've noticed more RAM usage when using After Effects, especially in projects with lots of layers.
Thanks for the info about Pro Tools! I'll have to update.
Thanks for a great video!! Got a few questions:
1. why does one core almost overload when you play the song in rosetta mode
2. why doesn't it use all the 10 cores? What's your processing threads settings and process buffer range settings?
Thanks!
I would also like these answers
1. It’s because of the limiters on my master bus. The last cpu thread deals with stuff that’s happening last, at the end of the chain before output. As I mentioned I have two limiters with oversampling on there, which is the most cpu intensive thing happening in the session. Still plays smoothly though, even with that thread maxing out!
2. I had the thread settings in Logic on Automatic, which I guess meant using 8 cores. My understanding is that there are 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores, so I guess Logic on automatic just uses the 8 performance cores. I haven't done extensive testing on how it compares with forcing Logic to use all 10...
Super dope! Did you install one plugin at it time? Or did you do a migration from your 2019? Would you recommend installing one plugin at it time or you think we can get away with migration?
If you have plugins in your logic session that aren't compiled for ARM (Apple silicon) and you run Logic in native mode you'll get the kind of performance you've experienced yes. I.e. much worse. Basically all plugins need to native if you want to avoid that kind of performance penalty that you've experienced. Running Logic via Rosetta obviously fixes that but isn't ideal either. What you want is everything compiled for ARM. When that happens you'll get a performance that far eclipses what you get via the Rosetta workaround. Until then your options are kind of limited. Don't run any plugins that aren't compiled for Apple Silicon or use Rosetta. It sucks a little because we're almost two years into this and some of the major vendors like NI or Avid for example still haven't done much to port their large product portfolios to ARM.
The machine you bought is so expensive that your video is irrelevant to 95% of the people interested in getting a mac for music production. So you saved me the time of watching by listing your options up front.
Excellent video. Very helpful. Slightly off topic, but would you care to share what reverb(s) and delays(s) were used on the female lead vocal? That sounded rather lovely. Thanks
Awesome video, thanks for this real world info!
Thank you!! You’re welcome :)
Do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? Unfortunately I only have cracks 😅
Good stuff. I have the same configuration m1 max and will be checking various software (with plug in environments) that I use both in rosetta and native mode to check performance.
Absolutely Outstanding Apple 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro Video by you Sir......😝😝👻👻👽
Thank you!
love the videos keep up the good work. Do more vids :)
Thank you!!
Nice! Can I ask; did you set up all the software from scratch or did you migrate?
I migrated! And then updated everything that had available updates :)
Great video!!!! My only question is how you got Pro tools working? Is it through rosetta? Thank u!!
Super helpful video, thanks so much!
Of course! Glad it was helpful! Make sure to subscribe if you haven’t already, got lots more comin!!
I've been looking at Mac reviews on youtube for the past 2 months to help decide which device I will be buying to upgrade my music studio. I can confidently say this is the most helpful video I have seen! You are the man. I'm leaning towards the base Mac studio with 32gb of ram due to some budget constraints. Im really just trying to find the best pure performance value for around $2000. Any thoughts? I run a lot of heavy 3rd party plugins (fab filter/H-reverb/serum) but not as much as the project you had in this vid.
32gb ram is plenty with the m1 pro/max. The studio is a great choice. You'll be happy.
Hey man first time here, great video and really good talking bro. Quick question, as a composer ( kontakt libraries) and not a full time job on music, yet, would you recommend for me getting the M1 pro with 32 ram and 2 TB? My main reason is the money cause I am working at another job right now and planning to upgrade cause I am working on an iMac 2016 and been struggling a lot with my projects.
Hey man! That configuration would be incredible. To be honest, any M1 pro/max machine is going to be an upgrade from your 2016 iMac, so I would just get what you can afford! But yes 32gb Ram and 2TB of storage will be awesome.
@@reddope8883 same question here: 16 or 32 gigs for Kontakt and Omnisphere?
Great job again! Thanks for this. One question I’ve always had, and that one of your stress tests reminded me of: Does note density affect CPU performance? A lot, a little, not at all? Sometimes I would get the feeling (on my Trash Can) that if the VI parts I was writing were more “note-y” (lots of nerdy prog stuff, etc), the machine would get bogged down quicker than if the parts were more sparse (emo, new age 😁). Never really had the time or the inclination to do any proper tests., though. Wondering what your take would be on that.
Other than that, thanks again for helping us make better buying decisions! Cheers!
Thank you. You answered a lot of questions. For your Pro Tools rig, are. you running HDX? For any of your studio pieces, are you running a PCIe expansion box?
Hello so I’m kind of new at this whole music production things but my boyfriend is a musician and I’m looking for a new computer for him to produce on, he doesn’t produce that much but he records music a lot an mix it, witch Mac do thing will suit the best ?
What audio interface do you recommend? I got the apogee symphony desktop and it’s crashing . Is their another good one that will work w the m1 max
Really useful video. Has the fan stayed silent after all this time?
I’m in a iMac 2013 heavily using plug-ins and have to freeze everything. I’m having trouble deciding between the Mac Studio and mbp M1 Max similar specs as yours.
THIS is probably the config i want in the new m1 max studio since I do design AND produce music. I need the extra GPU oomph and Im running into CPU walls with my music on my current machine.
If your budget will allow, and you want to keep the machine for 5+ years, consider getting the base M1 Ultra chip - you then get 20 CPU cores vs 10 cores, and more GPU cores of course.... it's expensive but you're literally getting double the CPU performance so in the long term that would be pretty great for video workflows etc, you get more media encode engines too. But it is pricey.
@@darwiniandude i don’t do video any more. I used to do a lot of after effects work but now only design so its still frames. Twice could would be great if the programs i use really took advantage. Same with the GPU but as a designer i can only work so fast. As an example im still working on a 13 year old 5,1 mac pro. Lol. Its been totally upgraded with ssd’s.CPU.Gpu and ram. It still works fine for me with design. Its the music and synth requirements im running into problems. Im not in a hurry so i’m still watching. A lot of my music apps still aren’t native yet. Apples pro level machines might be interesting too but a mid level machine might be fine for me.
This is more difficult than it seems originally. If the M1 mini falls short for your workload there's a little chance that the M1 Pro / Max will too , mainly because the CPU core difference is minimal ( 8 CPU core on the mini, vs 10 on the Pro and the Max). The real benefit of M1 Pro and M1 Max over the original M1 is the Ram memory that is put at your disposal. But again, 2000 bucks for memory and a couple of CPU cores.. doesnt add to me. It gets even worse with the base Mac Studio. It is the same M1 Max, with 10 cores only. This puzzles me. I'd love to see a video of someone testing the same project in a m1 vs a m1 pro vs m1 max vs m1 ultra. Seems everyone if focused on video.. unfortunately.
M1 has 4 performance and 4 efficiency cores, whereas m1pro or max have 8 performance and 2 efficiency cores. So multicore cpu bump is in fact significant with twice the performance cores.
Do you know if also the cracked plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? Unfortunately I only have cracks 😅
I noticed your using 8 core threads. Have you tried your benchmark session with all 10 threads?
FFS cover that man-bunn please. Great video.
Thanks for such an informative video! I was wondering what your experience has been for compatibility between midi controllers/midi keyboards and the new m1 macbooks. I have read online some controllers and keyboards do not work. I am thinking about getting the same specs as your laptop but in a 14" macbook pro. I have an akai mpk mini play that I'd like to keep using when I upgrade my computer, but am fine getting something else in the mean time if that means it will work. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them. Thanks so much for any guidance you can give, and again thanks for the great video! :)
Hi! Glad you enjoyed the video. I have a Novation MIDI keyboard/controller and it works perfectly. Can’t speak for Akai as I don’t have any Akai gear right now.
Awesome video! Just wondering your thoughts on the Kali’s you have? Cheers
Thank you! Glad you liked it. I made a video on the Kali’s a while back, go to my channel to check it out!
@@TanoBrock yeah, sorry, I just went through your channel and found your review! Just subscribed !
Awesome, thank you!!
Hi what camera are you using to film your RUclips videos please. Great quality
I was actually torn between getting a Mac book or a Mac Studio for producing music and wanted to go with the studio only because of how quiet it is but if you tell me you can’t hear any fans even with big sessions on mac book pro illl guess I’ll go with that since I’ll get the mobility too ..
thanks
Nice Kali’s. I got the same pair.
So is this thing even remotely good to connect my roland synth d88 with this imac via the music program Ableton? I can’t find it anywhere
What version of pro tools are you using and with what plugins? Just trying to get feedback on what is working and what isn’t before I purchase and install everything. You and I have the same computer. Many thanks!
I'm using latest pro tools and it's really solid. That's version 2021.12, with PT Plug-ins 2022.3. macOS is also the latest, Monterey 12.3.1.
Now I wonder what you will think of the Mac Studio Ultra?!
😇🧐😅
Cubase , Ableton or Logic Pro? What might be best for a new recording singer and voice actor at home using Audient id 14 mkll?! 😉 amy advice? Thanks!
If you are not familiar with any DAWs, then see which one looks best to you, out of the ones you have mentioned.
They pretty much all have the same features. Ableton being geared more towards live performance but with updates, is becoming more like Cubase and Logic.
My preference is Logic x, mainly because I use a mac and it does everything I need it to, plus many excellent updates which have all Been free so far.
Many people speak positively about Reaper which is one of the cheapest DAWs and Garageband (mac only), alot like Logic and is Free.
“Besides the storage” Bro what? I can’t even come close to using up 256 GB for music making.
The base model M1 Air is overkill for music production & most other types of users as well. What are you people talking about?
It really depends on your work flow! I’ve already used up 1TB of storage on this machine. Lots of things in my workflow take up a lot of space: 96k audio files that I receive to mix, 4K video files, photoshop files, after effects animation assets, etc. And in terms of CPU power and RAM, I am definitely using this machine to its fullest capacity, recording and mixing large projects with lots of sample libraries and plugins, animating in after effects, video editing, etc. so it really depends on what you need to do! For the things mentioned above, this machine has been perfect.
only 140 Kontakt Tracks? I saw another reviews where an asian guy with same m1 max specs coul have run 240 Orchester Libraries Tracks. It would be nice to know which Kontakt Instruments did you have load. Kontakt Version 6.7 do support M1 Apple Silicon native now. It would be nice if you can test if there is a big performance Difference between Kontakt rosetta and native mode!
Yeah, it definitely depends on the Kontakt instrument. I was running a Vintage Organs instrument. I don’t have the latest Kontakt yet, but I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know! I will update soon.
If you aren’t an advanced music producer would the MacBook Air work as well, with 8 GB and the standard stored?
The model presented in the video is way over spec'ed and in no way necessary for music production. I recom the 2020 256ssd 8gb Macbook air model. It is pretty capable and you can do basic music production / recording with ease. But you need to discipline yourself in your workflow to make the most out of the limited Ram... for example having a browser open with 20 tabs or watching 4k content or streaming on twitch while recording wont fly. There's also a limit how much sample based instruments the machine can take with only 8gb ram. If you can afford it, I'd go with 16 GB ram. Essentially there's no way to upgrade the machine with more ram later. The 256 GB ssd also requires some focus on music production. But at least you will be able to add an external ssd driver later. So I'd say for recording real instruments or voices and with non samples based VSTs a Mac air 2020 with 8GB/256GB can work. However you will feel the limitation in terms of ram. 16GB ram will be in the Goldilocks zone... and ssd storage wise you can decide later to add external storage if necessary. the Mac Mini is also worth checking out !
@@TJ-hs1qm wow thank you so so much this really was the answer I needed, I will check the mini Mac out and also the air one so thank you for sharing this knowledge 🙏🏽😊
Can we use crack libraries like omnisphere and plugins like neural dsp in M1 pro after we buy logic?
Tano, thank you for the video. I’m in the process of saving for a MacBook Pro. I have an iMac 2015 and using 32gb ram. Even though I’m new and learning everything, my only wish is to carry my laptop with me on the road or places I can go and do music. You are using The Pro and I need help in deciding the features. I would like to have the 16” screen ( my eyesight) and maybe I can do 2tb and 32 ram. Would this be rebirth to last awhile😱? Thank you
Off topic but did you learn to make acoustic treatment like that from Jesco (Acoustic Insider)? My panels look exactly the same.
hello ! im thinking about swithing from windows to mac my whole recording studio where i also record and edit 4k files. how are you feeling about this jobs? thanks!!!
Hello.
Can you tell me how audible the macbook pro M1 fan is while recording vocals on the microphone in the same room as the macbook?
whats the big monitor you are are using, are you happy with it?
What interface do you use, as Apollo Twin X isn’t supported
I have an Apollo x8. Apollo Twin X is supported
Cool bro thanks 👽
What is the procedure for opening LPX in the Rosetta mode? I have a standard M1 and I just installed LPX 10.7.3 while I’m updating my macmini intel 2018 to Monterey and the; Then new version of LPX. Thanks!
Did you updated to 12.3 and everthing works fine?
I haven’t updated yet! I will let you know when I do
Tano just wondering I’m not a hardcore music producer but if i wanted to make some amateur stuff would a
16 inch base model
32 GB RAM
2 TB
Be enough or do i need a beefier Mac? I want the peak battery preformance hence why Im fine not paying for the M1 Max
Hi, thanks for the video! I tried a Logic project using both Apple and IK plugins mostly, and there were not noticeable differences in the Performance Meter for me. The IK are only on Rosetta. I'm using the 13" MBP M1, 16GB. Maybe it depends on which plugins are used/which combo etc.
good video .. how about fl studio is it working fine?
You only use 8 of 10 cores. In audio preferences, you can set to use all.
Hey Tano, great video! Interested in reviewing our latest TB4 dock?😎
Hey! Yes! Email me at tano@tanobrock.com
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I don’t understand. I thought Logic Pro had native M1 support. So why is it running faster in Rosetta 2?
As I explain in the video, it's because of all the non-native plugins and virtual instruments. If you're running 100% native components within logic, then yes it is faster to run it in native mode.
@@TanoBrock ok sorry for not understanding
@@Funintherain13 Haha all good bro!
I love your studio desk, pls can you send me the site to purchase
🌚Thanks you ( me M1 16”pro 16 gb 2tb only music 🎶How you manage to install at the same time M1 plugins and intel like Kontakt 6.7.1 ?
I am working on m1 air I have to say I am in press 👌🏼
After 10 months, is it still the same? Still depending on Rosetta?
Would really like to hear this finished song...
The link is in the description! ampl.ink/E9PvQ
Where can we see you’re animation?
Now try switching on the High power mode.... It blazes through anything and everything you throw at it....✨✨
Wooo I haven’t even tested high power mode yet. Looking forward to it 🤪
I got the m1Pro 16” for Cubase. Everything you said in this video is true.
It runs natively or only through rosetta? if both, which one do you use mostly?
@@trmus both, I would like to use the Native version but the only plugins that support it are Kontakt and Spitfire stuff. It has to be VST3 AND have native support to work. It is coming though, this year and in the next few months there’s going to be a lot. That being said the transition from an intel iMac to a Rosetta m1Pro has been zero pain
Do you know if also the crack libraries and plugins work through Rosetta on Mac ? Unfortunately I only have cracks 😅
@@emanuelebaccaro3747 lol
Is that a red headless Hohner on the wall?
Yes it is!
@@TanoBrock Cool! I used to have one but in black color 👍
No one needs the M1 Max for purely music workflows. The M1 Pro is the one.
If i use vst intensive production is the m1 max best choice? All songs of mine are Virtual instruments intensive
do you have any thoughts why the last cpu thread is maxing out in rosetta mode compared to all the other threads?
Yes, it’s because of the limiters on my master bus. The last cpu thread deals with stuff that’s happening last, at the end of the chain before output. As I mentioned I have two limiters with oversampling on there, which is the most cpu intensive thing happening in the session. Still plays smoothly though, even with that thread maxing out!
@@TanoBrock amazing thank you for clarifying. Ive also seen some thoughts that the last cpu is dedicated to input and record channels, so if you are in a session recording midi or audio, this may be reflected in that last cpu thread.
@@henriktala huh interesting, I haven't noticed that. I definitely notice a correlation with the final bus/output stage though. When I bypass those limiter, that CPU thread usage goes down to zero.
@@TanoBrock What if you just turn the oversampling off on those limiters? If that made a big difference you could do all your mixing without oversampling and then kick it in just for the final bouncing out.
@@ericfischer5605 Yes, that's exactly what I did, I just kept it on for the sake of the test., to see if this machine could handle it.
How Loong can i get Batterie wen i Use FL Studio?
Hey what secondary monitor are you using?
I’m using a Dell 4K 27” display. The new studio display looks pretty awesome tho…I’m thinking about getting one
Do you have a Video of your studio and what you use???
Not yet! Should I make one?!
I got an idea and im using ur video as a tome stamp… forged elevated rubber “feet” to elivate the bottom off the desk or whatever so if you spill something on the same surface that it will not get into the computer
I'd like to buy your old Macbook Pro
oooh man I totally would but I already sold it :/
@@TanoBrock oh man. tough luck.
this is scary for me im a windows user laptop and want to jump to mac and use multiple drum vsts i want the low latency of a thunderbolt inface for realtime drumming, but they are hungry programs and dont know what to do, really doing my nut as im not a tech head, help lol