Episode 103: Mortal or Venial Sin?
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024
- Episode 103: Mortal or Venial Sin?
Join Fr. Gregory Pine and Fr. Patrick Briscoe as they discuss the mystery of sin and how to sort out what's mortal and what's venial.
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I think the key here is “intent”. Do you intend to be a person of good will or bad will. Say for example you go to a party but then unintentionally drink a little too much alcohol and then end up in some kind of bad situation. Your original intention may have been to stop at one drink but perhaps unintentionally you got caught up in the festivities. I think when determining venial vs. mortal sins we need to place it in this kind of context.
3 distinctions that I have a hard time making:
1) when does an impure thought become mortally sinful? I’m engaged to be married and have found the struggle harder since.
2) what “housework” is okay on Sunday, and what isn’t? For example, could I prep for the next week by making lunches and cleaning up? I’ve tried to cut some of this out, but instead it feels like the rest of the week becomes overwhelming and I’m not sure that’s the point. But on the flip side, I fear I shouldn’t even eat chicken my brother made for me on Sunday when I refused to help because it would be complicit in him violating the Lord’s Day.
3) when does sloth become mortal? It is hard for me to tell the degree of this and what factors and lessen culpability. I have OCD with hundreds of intrusive thoughts and often a break from my job feels like a necessity to avoid a sinful thought, but it can so easily then creep into laziness and I realize I’ve selfishly wasted an hour or more a day
Thanks! I am scrupulous and working with a counselor and spiritual director but these are giving me the most trouble right now.
Here are my thoughts/reflections on your three items:
1. Impure thoughts enter most of our minds on a regular basis, they are temptations. Temptations themselves are not sins. Dismiss them immediately and they will leave (but this will happen many times, each time, dismiss them, that is to say "do not start consciously thinking about them"). Once we start to willfully entertain a temptation, our will becomes involved. As you progress in learning to quickly discern a temptation, you will be able to more quickly dismiss them. Sometimes, we actively contemplate a temptation but then seconds later realize it's sinful and then we dismiss them, and whenever we actively contemplate them, we need to confess them, but don't be discouraged. In time with practice and God's grace poured out through the Sacraments (especially Penance and the Holy Eucharist), you will be able to dismiss temptations without actively entertaining them more and more often.
2. You can do what is "necessary" on the Sabbath (Sundays). If you ask yourself "is this thing I want to do really necessary to do today?" (within the context of your own life) and the answer is "yes" then it is permissible. As a simple example, if a person has a profession which is essential (i.e. police, paramedic, fire fighter, ER Doctor etc.) then working on Sunday (if not possible to take the day off) is permissible. To your dilemma, cooking or preparing meals on the Sabbath especially for meals you would consume that day is permissible and necessary. Shopping is also not permissible on Sundays, but again, if it's necessary, then it's permissible. For example, if you were out of milk and had to go to the store to buy some and the milk was essential. The real goal of Sundays is to make it a day of prayer and worship of God and spend time with family and our neighbours, which is more important in spirit than considering and memorizing particular prohibitions (I need to work on this myself!)
3.Sloth, being one of the seven deadly sins is always grave, but not always a mortal sin. This is an important distinction. "Grave sin" is not the same as "Mortal sin". Always remember the 3 conditions for mortal sin: 1. It must be grave matter, 2. You must have full knowledge that it's grave matter and 3. You must have full consent of your will to commit the sin.
Hope these reflections help. :)
Fr. Is gambling a mortal/venial sin
Look up the The Ten Commandments
for the Scrupulous
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Great discussion, thank you!
I have thought about and researched this topic of mortal vs. venial sin for quite a while and there are some points which I still struggle to understand. Firstly, due to the three conditions of a sin being mortal: 1. It must be grave matter, 2. You must have full knowledge that it's grave matter and 3. You must have full consent of your will to commit the sin, it means that even though some sins involve grave matter, they can be venial if at least one of the other conditions for mortal sin aren't present. It's also important to remember that "Grave sin" is not the same as "Mortal sin". As an extreme example, if someone takes the life of another but was not giving full consent, that killing becomes a venial sin (Let's say the person was on drugs that distorted their thinking, severely mentally ill, or even in the throws of extreme anger/passion and they lose control, "full consent" is not present). In those scenarios, the person either didn't know what they were doing or didn't fully understand what they were doing, and/or they did not intend to kill or be able to foresee that their actions or state could result in someone losing their life.
We must *fully* make the choice to seriously turn away from God for it to be a mortal sin. Example: I know what I'm about to do is really bad and really offensive to God, I could choose to not do what I'm about to do, but I am purposely choosing to commit the grave sin anyway. But if "full consent" is not present, it is not a mortal sin. The problem for me is, how do I know for sure that I am giving full consent of my will? How do any of us know? Some say "if the consent of your will is sufficient to be a "personal choice" then it is sufficient consent to satisfy the "full consent" condition of mortal sin". But somehow that doesn't help me. I know this can sound like I'm being scrupulous, but it's actually not.
What are the things that impair "full consent"? Here are some: Being extremely tired, extremely malnourished, extremely angry, mental illness in an active state, severe physical illness/pain, being under serious duress from others, drugs actively affecting our thoughts and will, addictions, compulsions, habit/attachments, and there are more. But many people don't consider these when they consider whether they gave "full consent" or may disagree with my statement that they affect full consent. Now of course, we need to avoid these states as much as possible because they are near occasions of sin, but when these states are present, they can affect our will so as to impair them such that we're not giving full consent.
As to "full knowledge", let's say that someone didn't actually know that not going to Sunday Mass or Mass on a holy day of obligation was grave matter. Then they are not committing mortal sin when they don't go to Mass. On the other hand St. Thomas Aquinas said that if we aren't sure if a sin is grave or not before we commit it, we ought to find out as best we can before we commit it, because if we commit it without trying to find out, we are essentially willing to commit the sin knowing it *could* be grave. The example I've heard is: if you're a hunter hunting deer in the forest and you see something move and you're not sure if it's a deer or perhaps a person, and you shoot your rifle at it anyway, then that itself is a grave sin, even if it turns out it was a deer, because you were willing to take someone's life (you didn't exercise proper prudence).
And then what is "grave matter"? Well we know that any sin against the 10 commandments is grave, the seven deadly sins, Jesus' commandments, but then some sins are subject to parvity of matter, for example, we know "thou shalt not steal", the seventh commandment is grave matter, but stealing one dollar from a billionaire is not as grave as stealing one dollar from a person who only has fifty dollars to their name (the poor). Or stealing food from someone with plenty when you are starving (as mentioned by Fr. Gregory in the video) is not even a sin.
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Thanks Fr., I was doing confession wrong, it was I was proud 5x, envious 3x, and things too general or are just venial sins.
God bless.
An excellent episode. Thank you!
Hey Fathers, good episode. Can you do an episode about what Saint Augustine and Aquinas say about "just war"
Excellent segue ! 😮
Thank you, Fr. Patrick and Fr. Gregory for this episode.
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THANK YOU for doing this, for teaching us. Boy, do I LOVE a good articulate Theologian!! ( The BEST of whom are Dominicans!)! But please do another on this subject. I still have GREAT difficulty distinguishing between mortal and venial. Thus, I pretty much have to confess everything --- in intense anxiety ( and TRY the patience of every confessor who's probably pulling his hair out!)
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I am homeschooling catechism and this is so very helpful for me to keep my words concise. Thank you.
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I respect your office and message. You are great, intelligent persons. The humor is causing too much digression, however. Don't eliminate it, but please don't allow humor to distract from the very important subject. We want to learn about doctrine and matters of condemnation v. salvation. It is more important than life and death. Thank you, guys. A homily too can contain humor, but humor should not cause frequent distraction. Thank you for educating us and for your service. I utterly respect you both.
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I loved the concept or crowding out to root out.
I am a new convert so I struggle a lot with this topic. And I am still a bit confused when it comes to my day to day life
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Mannnnnnnnnnnn I can’t hardly get this ish. This only made me think I’m not as sinful as I thought. Helpful because it makes me less sad
Thank you for this insightful episode. I truly enjoyed listening and feel I got a more clear understanding of the types of sin.
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What is the difference between venial sin and imperfections?
Great episode! Do you guys have a view on or around jus belli justi? There has been increasing discussion about just war theory.
Hi father, I'm discovering i have a problem with scrupulosity. In regards to gossip sometimes i feel that in almost every conversation i gossip. Would you be so kind to clarify gossip and give ideas of how to have a constructive conversation?
I found a solution that works pretty well. When someone at work starts to gossip about another colleague about being lazy let's say, I follow up by saying something like, boy I sure can be lazy too. At home when I should be doing the dishes I just let them sit until morning. I think referring to our own faults kinda of diverts the conversation. It seems to work well in my experience. I struggled with the gossip thing until I decided beginning a sentence with I or we and going from there stops the gossip dead in it's tracks.
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I don't know when I do venal sins need clarifications
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I have noticed when l am going through a hyper, anxiety ridden wrapped around my axle phase l am more vulnerable to sin.
And no l can't ," Snape out of it".
During the age of the mask 😷 l had moments of madness. I would have problems doing an examination of conscious. I would strives to remember sins.
It was as though the world thought about corporate death and not eternal death.
When I was a kid I would confess the usual child's sins. Each sin was committed 3 times, except for lying which I said I did 4 times, just to cover my less than honest confession.
Where does the distinction come from that sins are mortal only if grave & committed knowingly? Since many mortal sins are directly condemned in the scripture.
Does that in turn mean, that sins commited before coming to faith are rather venial sins, because one was not yet aware of their gravity?
As I understand it, mortal sins must go through confession, while venial sins are "dealt with" by the eucharist, is that correct?
Is gluttony a mortal sin or venial? When does gluttony become a mortal sin?
Hi Fathers, loved this episode and think it could be a springboard for a series on the seven deadly sins and the spiritual cures for them? If not, could you do an episode on anger? God bless.
Speaking of the Seven Deadly Sins, a priest friend of mine was commented that the primary characters on Sponge Bob Square Pants represent the seven deadly sins, e.g., Mr Crabs is greed, Gary is gluttony, Patrick is sloth and Sponge Bob is... wait for it.... lust.
is watching tarot readings for guidance a mortal sin?How can I get rid of this addiction? I pray the rosary all mysteries daily
@@MarianaFerreira-l1f It’s great that you are praying the Rosary but the Tarot readings are not good, you should try and pray for Gods assistance to help you to try and stop
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The Catechism is a good place to go for better understanding of venial vs mortal sins.
Perhaps the most common oversight of uncatechized Catholics is that sexual sins are mortal sins. And Christ gives us a much broader definition of adultery than the secular understanding. A thorough explanation of why various sexual sins destroy the spiritual life would be a very helpful topic for a future episode. For example, more Catholics should understand why masturbation is not harmless.
The Church's adoption of St Augustine's standard of Just War helps to illuminate that standard of Aquinas on theft, I think. Soldiers have always been welcomed among Christians because we distinguish between offensive and defensive violence. In self-defense, one kills not because one wants to kill but because in a fallen world it is sometimes necessary to preserve a most fundamental good. Likewise, theft might become necessary not because one's family is merely hungry but because one's family is starving to death. In that scenario (practically non-existent in modern America), the theft is defensive rather than offensive.
But we are all tempted to rationalize excuses for our sins.
I am still without clarity.
Dear Fathers,
If I am not mistaken, St. Thomas says that knowledge can be had in two different ways. One way is "knowledge which lies dormant in the mind so long as it is not actually being used" (like Aquinas says in his Commentary on Aristotle's De Anima 412a22) and another way is knowledge which does not lie dormant in the mind, but is actually used.
Among the conditionas for mortal sin is knowledge. But in what sense is "knowledge" used here?
In this video you spoke about how consent can be diminished by fear or maybe something like addiction. But can knowledge also be diminished in someone who is awake and healthy? For example: I generally know that I should not lie and that this is a grave matter as lying is forbidden in the ten commandments. But it might happen sometimes that I lie, maybe out of habit, without actually thinking to my self prior "If I will lie now, I will commit a sin" and I think that certainly, if I would see things this clearly, I would not decide to sin, but as I am not "actually" aware of the sin I sin - even though I would be able to answer the question "Is it a sin" were someone to ask me and had I the opportunity to reflect on the matter. Would you say that in such a scenario, the relevant sense of "knowledge" was fulfilled and that thus the sin was grave and not merely venial? My question is: Is e.g. lying a mortal sin, if knowledge about the sin is had in one way but not the other, if the knowledge in question is merely "knowledge which lies dormant in the mind so long as it is not actually being used"?
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What does that mean not to pray if the sin is mortal. If some one is in mortal sin you don't pray for them?
Say you're working on stopping using the lords name in vain, you recently confessed this and you really are doing your best not to. Then let's say you slip, but immediately catch yourself and apologize to God. Is that a mortal sin that would prevent the person from receiving Holy Communion, until they can get back to confession? Or since you didn't mean to do it then there wasn't actually consent, so it's venial? You still want to confess it but you can have Holy Communion before the next confession availability?
I think we need to remember the concept of “intent “. For example if you are intending to be malicious towards God then yes the sin would be mortal in nature. However if your intention is to do good and not blaspheme then I suspect the sin in that case would be venial.
@@JasonHattrickI think you got it right here. Same goes for thoughts. Do you actively want to do whatever the thought entails, ie. your intent. And if not then it has no indictment
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Adultery, sodomy, killing the innocent as in abortion (automatic excommunication)Fornication, stealing large amount, anger, sloth, drunkenness, masturbation, lust...to name a few
So basically you don’t know what is and isn’t mortal sin. I’m looking at this through the lens of a doctor. If a patient asks me if their illness is fatal, and it takes me 30 minutes to answer their question, then I don’t know the answer.
I don't expect you to see this after two years, but at the 1:30 mark you started out with the CORRECT grammar by saying "Fr. Jacob Bertrand's and my..." but then you thought you were incorrect and then used INCORRECT grammar by saying, "A book written by Fr. Jacob and I..." Simple rule: whatever you would use on its own is what you would use with someone else in the sentence. For example, "my book" is correct. "I book" is incorrect. So adding Fr. Jacob, you would say "Fr. Jacob's and my book..." So you were correct the first time.:) In another example, saying "A book written by I" is incorrect. "A book written by me" is correct. So to add Fr. Jacob, you would say, "A book written by Fr. Jacob and me..." You would NOT say, "A book written by Fr. Jacob and I," as that is incorrect for the aforementioned reasons. I apologize for being a "nit-pick" and for correcting you in a public forum, but the professional editor and unofficial grammar geek in me just can't help it! It is meant in a genuinely charitable spirit!🙂
God sees sin. He does not see 1 over the other. If a person continues to sin then he may be headed for hell. That is why we ask for forgiveness for all our sins. That is why we repent of those sins. Only humans make one sin worse than another.
The bible says we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, but if we confess our sins, He is faithful to forgive all our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I don't worry about going to hell for my sins. I don't go out of my way to willfully sin, but I know I fall short. I know Jesus has me though.
Mortal sins are main obstacles to grace, knowledge and love of God.
In early Church, apostasy, commit murder ir adultery , on had to join the Order of penitents.
1 john 5;16-18: there is sin that is deadly, a grave sin.
Mortal sin: fatal or lethal spiritual death to grace. Puts one outside of grace. Complete turning from God.
Venual: pardonable. A turning away from God in a lesser way.
Ie car trip: a wreck is a mortal sin, a trip ending.
A venial is a detour from the goal.
Objective to subjective matter.
Grave matter
Knowledge
Consent
---Fear, coercion, addiction
What are things in my conscious i need to bring to confession.?
3 stages of spiritual life:
Purgative:
base level, removing mortal sin
Crowd out sin with thoughts of God
Illuminative: active journey of growth
Unitive: full and robust life in Christ
"We've referenced chicken; milkshakes implied...When we come back from a short break, we'll talk about how to tell the difference between the two." It's a pretty sorry person who can't tell the difference between chicken and a milkshake. 16:10
test
Look up the 7 deadly sins.
How does a lapsed cradle catholic confess millions of mortal sins and start over? I have a web of scandal I comitted on top of this
Go to confession with a list if you need to, try to estimate how many times you've done each. Receive your act of pennance and live a life that God would want you to live. My advice.
Take some time to review your whole life. this may take several hours over many days. Make a list by number and type of sin. Evaluate yourself by the 7 deadly sins and the 10 commandments. Research them using the Catechism of the Catholic Church. count the number of times you’ve committed each sin. If you have trouble, pray to the Holy Spirit to give you an estimated amount. Counting your sins is for your edification - to keep you serious and contrite. When you go to confession take your list. Tell the priest you want to make a confession for your whole life - make an appointment. Make your confession complete, concise and in good conscience. You will be so glad you did. God bless you!
the roman catholic divisions of sin mean nothing. they are man-made constructs. all sins lead to hell, and only one sin, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is unforgivable.
So you’re saying that stealing 10 cents is on the same level as committing adultery or abortion? Prottys🙄
Excellent episode! Thank you so much!