So one of the big things with what you're doing is that there's no hard drive space when you boot like this. Everything you're compiling and installing is going into RAM. So it's very possible that your Firefox install can't actually allocate enough RAM in this situation. I have a feeling it would work if you installed it on the hard drive. Maybe even the temp directory is read only because the file system is on a read-only device. A lot of modern live images have a lot more RAM to work with. Also you don't have any virtual memory. It would be really great if you could install it on a 32-bit machine and see if it works.
That’s correct actually. If it’s a G3 it normally only has 768MBs of RAM unless he has upgraded the RAM in it. Any browser will take up a bunch of memory. And since it’s running from ram, it’ll be harder to run applications like Firefox.
@@tristansewell5986 when I go minimal I usually go openbox + a keyboard launch. Then of course there is ratpoison ( no seriously that's it's name) which might be even lower resources if you want to really try something out of the box.
The name “Adelie Linux” refers to the Adélie penguin, which was first discovered in Adelie Land in Antarctica, which was named Adelie after the then fiancée of Douglas Mawson, the leader of the Australian Antarctic Expedition in 1911-1914.
@@runningat50hz what GPU do you use with it? I've heard you can just put any random (power constraints notwithstanding) GPU in it and it'll work after the Linux kernel takes over. I have a 2.3GHz PCIe G5 and am thinking about potential GPUs to put into it. I'd prefer to use something that could potentially be used in macOS though, as I'd like to *maybe* be able to dual boot...at that point the x1900 GT seems to be my best/only option.
@@archlinuxrussian Within GNU/Linux you can choose any GPU as long as it has drivers, so almost any would do. In OSX your options are pretty limited. There are a couple of Geforce cards and more or less the same with Ati ones (it was still Ati at the time, not AMD). I use a Quadro FX4500, the fastest "official" PowerMac G5 PCIe GPU, but I'm not dual booting at the moment. I made a video about it but it's old and cringe so I won't link it here. There's also some PC GPUs that you can flash a Mac vbios onto to make them work under OSX, but if you're going to do GNU/Linux I'd suggest not bothering with the idea as more modern GPUs will work under Linux, so you could put dual GPUs as long as one of them doesn't need extra power and can run just with the PCIe slot alone.
@@runningat50hz Thank you for the information! :) I appreciate it. If I could ask, in case you are privy to the information, I am under the assumption that GPUs that were "for the PowerMac G5" are mutually inclusive with GPUs that would allow one to interface with OpenFirmware, right? So, if for whatever reason I'm kicked back to OpenFirmware and my install is borked, I'd need to probably swap back to a "Mac-compatible" GPU, no?
To set up the network, it's probably enough to "su -" then "dhcpcd eth0" to start the DHCP client, instead of going through Horizon until you reach the panel that does the same thing. edit: I see you eventually reached the same conclusion.
just to let you know there is a build system called "T2 SDE" that still builds PPC32, and supports a few different kernels (Linux, BSD, Minix, etc). Part of the reason OS's are dropping support for Big Endian is Officially M68K was dropped a couple of years ago (m68k-linux is still current tho), and the fact that ARM v7 allows Little Endian (which is how RPiOS is built) and aarch64/arm64 supports Little Endian by default (these are still build time options in GCC etc). I believe RISC-V is also Little Endian by default. In memory as machine code, Little Endian is easier to extend than Big Endian. IE if you pass a pointer, wheather it is looking for 8bits or 128bits, Little Endian will return the correct number, where you have to adjust the pointer for each Big Endian value at the same place.
As far as I can tell this is based on Alpine Linux, which I'm very happy to see! Been testing it a lot recently and it's the fastest distro I've ever used, so I can see why it's being used as a base for this. It's also one of the last distros to support PPC architectures.
Great seeing you now have the space to bless the internet with more than just your amazing arm flailing! Got to say tho, I’m gunna miss tattooed arm flailing man 😢. Hope you are loving your upgraded RUclips studio! You sure deserve it, and I can’t wait to see what you do in the future! I feel you have some great plans in store for us, and that makes me damn happy! P.S. I’m so glad arm flailing man is still alive and well! Please don’t cut him from show! You have a lovely mug, don’t get me wrong, I just know we would all miss arm flailing man if he were to be cut from the show! Keep up the amazing work! I always know I’m in for a treat when I see your new videos pop up!
I found your channel through the Industrial Disk Module video you just posted, and I'm really digging through some of this Retro Mac stuff you're doing. Repurposing old tech, seeing what runs Linux, and trying to tinker to get the most out of old or slow tech is what first got me into IT and computer stuff, so this scratches an old itch. Keep up the cool content!
Like I said in a previous video, Adélie's LiveCDs aren't really that, but GUI environments to run the installer. You can't run of of those LiveCDs and get a reliable preview of using Adélie
Not really a mac fan but my first computer was my aunt's old Mac plus ! Really love your channel and surprised to see their oldies macs are more upgradable than I thought !!! Keep up the good work buddy !
If I can recall correctly, if you threw in a slightly more modern AGP AMD Radeon card in the PowerMac with the pins taped over, you might be able to hit a Linux desktop (but not be able to see stuff like OpenFirmware/BootPicker) due to there being no Mac ROM. A reason why someone might would wanna do this is because even slightly newer AMD video cards have better support than NVIDIA ones on the open source driver. You could even possibly try one of those adapters to run a PCIE card on an old PCI slot (and they should work with GPUS from at least one video I saw).
Best get my MDD working again with a new GPU and see what Adelie can do for me! Got a couple of iBook G4s too which hopefully will run Adele well enough for testing!
The Algorithm hasn’t floated any of your videos up to me in a while and I gotta say I was wondering who this dude was until I heard your voice. It’s pretty surprising (but nice!) to actually see you fully in front of the camera now.
Hey, this was a great video. Keep it up man. You're making me want to get old tech back and working. There is something to be said about keeping older hardware running.
@ActionRetro you should consider featuring T2 SDE, they have ISOs for almost every CPU architecture, even stuff for SGI Indy, playstation 3, intel itanium, risc v. The developer streams on youtube sometimes, his name is Rene and he's pretty interesting to listen to. He has a soft spot for vintage hardware, and I love it! Always fixing stuff they pulled from the linux kernel for no reason
It Will. Linux doesn't care about the video cards bios and will work using its own drivers. You just won't see anything until X starts and the non Mac card initialize. I used to have a agp Mac and ran it with debian
My first experience with Linux was in 2004. My dad took me to this amish town, and inside one of the stores was a copy of Red Hat of all things. I installed it on my families retired Compaq PC with a K6-2 processor...and my general experience was "HOW DO I DO ANYTHING ON THIS PC!? WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO BUILD SOFTWARE? WHY DID THEY NOT INCLUDE THE SYSTEM PASSWORD????" I'm sure your average 14 year old tech nerd not suffering from severe ADHD would have figured it out, but I had no patience. Then I tried Xubuntu 2 years later, and that experience was 100x better, because the resources available for it were much clearer to understand,
I know this is quite an old video now, but I wanted to say I also love Linux. I've been using Linux for a while now, (only using Windows 11 right now for better performance in some games until I get a better computer). Can't wait to go back to Arch! I always like seeing people using Linux because it really is a great piece of software.
Thank GOD you stopped shaking your hands in from of the camera. I haven't been able to watch your videos for so long and then this popped up and I figured...ok let's see if I can overcome the hands for a good linux video. Yes!!!!! Great video, great quality and information. Thank you so so much. EDIT: oh
The G4 Macs.... ALL OF THEM.... were simply beautiful machines. Still are, imho. There are days when i wish modern PC case manufacturers would put out similarly-designed cases that mimic Apple's G4 Mac line-up......... but with consideration for modern cooling airflow needs..... and optional RGB, of course.
I'll have to give this a shot on my Sawtooth (AGP) G4. I had a 1.2 GHz processor upgrade and 1.5 GB RAM in it...I just have to remember where it is, lol.
Nice work, perhaps Adelie team might offer LXQt or Xfce as alternate desktop alongside KDE (xfce has a mac like dock). Also the Rage 128 was dropped from Mesa open source GPU drivers, the code is archived so someone would have to dig that out and incorporate it into the distro.
The MDD G4 is missing in my collection, but I have the white/blue G3! Still using ElCapitan on an Hackintosh I wanted some Linux advice! What Linux Distribution would be the best option to switch for an old Mac user, who cant´t take the new Mac-Crapp-store world, but wants to keep the familiar mouse cursor feel and touch? Win10 GUI is so bad, it keeps me dying using it.
Last I checked you could still get Gentoo in reasonably modern distros for PPC. It's not generally available in LiveCD-style installers though; you have to go through lots of terminal stuff, in some cases compiling the OS and apps as you go. You could download and cross-compile for PPC (or any other supported arch) on an Intel machine, which I thought was funny. I don't recommend it unless you're really comfortable with the terminal though.
You could probably boot xwindow in framebuffer mode on those older machines (like through vga or svga compatibility). It'll be awfully slow, but it will likely work
Adelie needs access to LibreOffice, GIMP, etc. - the more standard apps in Linux. In one of your videos you state that early G3 Blue and White Macs have video cards that are not supported by Adelie. But you said there is a work-around. I am looking forward to that video! I tried installing OpenBSD with Blackbox desktop and the MacBox add-on. That makes it look a lot like the Mac OS. I assume that would use less RAM than Adelie. However, I was WAY over my head. I can type CLI, but only when somebody guides me as to what to type step-by-step, line-by-line. That would be another good video.
Wait, Adelie still offers 'only' Adelie 1.0 rc2 for PPC, is there a hidden way to get more updated builds? Been having a bear of a time getting Void Linux PPC booted on either of my Powerbooks, so any chance to try random Linux on them is a go from me!
I wouldn't get so excited about compiling Firefox on a dual 2GHz machine, given that Firefox takes so long to compile that Linus Tech Tips compiles it as a benchmark when reviewing high end CPUs.
Personally, I would much rather setup a crossarch build setup in a current computer, and a VM like QEMU to test the builds on first. Once it seems like things are working, THEN you drop the builds into a native PowerPC and see what happens.
Yellow Dog Linux on an CRT iMac you say? :D That was also my first Linux experience! Taught me a ton about computing. :) I still have my old G5 tower sitting in a closet. I should give this a try.
My jaw dropped wondering "How?" so I'm going to get it for my iMac G5. I would love to see how this or one of the other desktop varients would run on the Beige beast! if it is possible?
A computer isn't obsolete unless it doesn't do what you need it to do and there isn't anything on it you couldn't do on something newer. My G4 isn't obsolete for me because it's still powerful enough to do everything I need in a laptop, and I suspect that's true for 80% of people -- and 100% of Chromebook users.
Chromebooks are surprisingly powerful, I'm sure faster than the average Core 2 Duo. Given the G4 is _slightly_ older I doubt it would keep up for modern web browsing. Having said that, a G4 could still do 90% of what people use their computers for.
@@eDoc2020 I've logged into Github from my iBook G4 and it's running Leopard, probably the worst OS to use for web browsing. If you had an MDD FW800 with dual 1.6 7457s, an X800 XT, a 64-bit PCI SATA controller, and a better optimized OS, I'm certain it could absolutely close the gap -- besides Spotify, but that's not a limitation of the hardware, that's just the DRM not supporting the Power Mac. I will keep reposting this comment until RUclips stops deleting it.
If you don’t know how to use CMD the command window he’s using don’t bother messing up your machine do research then do it because you can run into errors if your not that technical. Cheers great product will definitely give t an install on my 2006 MACBook .
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Sean, I think you need to get ahold of a 1.25 GHz eMac… it may be a heavy beast but there are no video walkthrough on getting modern Linux such as Adelie or Debian Ports Sid fully working with external EDID.
There are versions of Linux you could get everything working on with the older machines. You would just need to be a little more "hands on" with installing and compiling things rather than just a click click install type of setup. Also you would be better off using something other than Plasma. KDE is my favorite desktop environment. I use it as a daily driver for nearly 20 years. It is so beautiful when customized and that is the beauty of KDE. How insanely customizable it is. But it also is quite heavy. For a while about 5 years ago KDE had done a ton of work to lighten the load and optimize and it was really light for a while. Booting into a beautiful compositing desktop at around 600 megs. But now it has begun to bloat up again and is pushing 900meg. But even at 600meg that's most if not all the memory in one of those old machines. At least it's not as bloated as that pig Gnome needing over 1.2gig just to get a usable desktop. I would recommend using a window manager only setup and a completely customized selection of software where you can pick and choose the lightest and most optimized applications. It may be a lot of work but if you want to seriously make these old machines usable again it would be worth the effort to learn. If you don't want to take the time to learn a tiling window manager there are some really nice and lightweight floating window managers also. Something like openbox.
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Might I recommend Debian for PPC? they have support for even the MIPS architecture and is highly adaptable
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Ppc is supported by ubuntu isn’t it?
@@jaybrooks1098 it is but only in really old versions which are not supported by canonical
@@jaybrooks1098 not anymore, besides Ubuntu has too many proprietary components.
So one of the big things with what you're doing is that there's no hard drive space when you boot like this. Everything you're compiling and installing is going into RAM. So it's very possible that your Firefox install can't actually allocate enough RAM in this situation. I have a feeling it would work if you installed it on the hard drive. Maybe even the temp directory is read only because the file system is on a read-only device. A lot of modern live images have a lot more RAM to work with. Also you don't have any virtual memory.
It would be really great if you could install it on a 32-bit machine and see if it works.
Also the LXDE version of Adelie would likely run smoother.
That’s correct actually. If it’s a G3 it normally only has 768MBs of RAM unless he has upgraded the RAM in it. Any browser will take up a bunch of memory. And since it’s running from ram, it’ll be harder to run applications like Firefox.
@@tristansewell5986 when I go minimal I usually go openbox + a keyboard launch.
Then of course there is ratpoison ( no seriously that's it's name) which might be even lower resources if you want to really try something out of the box.
Agree…. Please do an install on the titanium G4 …. Should be a good test 👍
@@megan_alnicoI personally go with fvwm3 as my wm
The name “Adelie Linux” refers to the Adélie penguin, which was first discovered in Adelie Land in Antarctica, which was named Adelie after the then fiancée of Douglas Mawson, the leader of the Australian Antarctic Expedition in 1911-1914.
Yes, pronounced a-DELL-ee. At least that's what some french guy says on the interwebs.
I love KDE Plasma!! It’s a huge favorite of mine. Looking forward to seeing it run on even more systems :)
64-bit Big Endian support? My G5 Quad is going to get some new software toys to tinker with!
A *lot* of new software to use. Firefox 95, Shotcut, Blender...
@@somecuntxxx Ye. It's been in the house for 5 or so years I think and it's never failed me :3 Totally maxed out, it's a beast!
@@runningat50hz what GPU do you use with it? I've heard you can just put any random (power constraints notwithstanding) GPU in it and it'll work after the Linux kernel takes over. I have a 2.3GHz PCIe G5 and am thinking about potential GPUs to put into it. I'd prefer to use something that could potentially be used in macOS though, as I'd like to *maybe* be able to dual boot...at that point the x1900 GT seems to be my best/only option.
@@archlinuxrussian Within GNU/Linux you can choose any GPU as long as it has drivers, so almost any would do. In OSX your options are pretty limited. There are a couple of Geforce cards and more or less the same with Ati ones (it was still Ati at the time, not AMD). I use a Quadro FX4500, the fastest "official" PowerMac G5 PCIe GPU, but I'm not dual booting at the moment. I made a video about it but it's old and cringe so I won't link it here.
There's also some PC GPUs that you can flash a Mac vbios onto to make them work under OSX, but if you're going to do GNU/Linux I'd suggest not bothering with the idea as more modern GPUs will work under Linux, so you could put dual GPUs as long as one of them doesn't need extra power and can run just with the PCIe slot alone.
@@runningat50hz Thank you for the information! :) I appreciate it. If I could ask, in case you are privy to the information, I am under the assumption that GPUs that were "for the PowerMac G5" are mutually inclusive with GPUs that would allow one to interface with OpenFirmware, right? So, if for whatever reason I'm kicked back to OpenFirmware and my install is borked, I'd need to probably swap back to a "Mac-compatible" GPU, no?
To set up the network, it's probably enough to "su -" then "dhcpcd eth0" to start the DHCP client, instead of going through Horizon until you reach the panel that does the same thing. edit: I see you eventually reached the same conclusion.
Congrats on having the bravery to step in front of the camera. You're doing great!
I wouldn't think but it does add to the content having a face to go with the voice.
just to let you know there is a build system called "T2 SDE" that still builds PPC32, and supports a few different kernels (Linux, BSD, Minix, etc).
Part of the reason OS's are dropping support for Big Endian is Officially M68K was dropped a couple of years ago (m68k-linux is still current tho), and the fact that ARM v7 allows Little Endian (which is how RPiOS is built) and aarch64/arm64 supports Little Endian by default (these are still build time options in GCC etc). I believe RISC-V is also Little Endian by default. In memory as machine code, Little Endian is easier to extend than Big Endian. IE if you pass a pointer, wheather it is looking for 8bits or 128bits, Little Endian will return the correct number, where you have to adjust the pointer for each Big Endian value at the same place.
As far as I can tell this is based on Alpine Linux, which I'm very happy to see! Been testing it a lot recently and it's the fastest distro I've ever used, so I can see why it's being used as a base for this. It's also one of the last distros to support PPC architectures.
Great seeing you now have the space to bless the internet with more than just your amazing arm flailing! Got to say tho, I’m gunna miss tattooed arm flailing man 😢.
Hope you are loving your upgraded RUclips studio! You sure deserve it, and I can’t wait to see what you do in the future! I feel you have some great plans in store for us, and that makes me damn happy!
P.S. I’m so glad arm flailing man is still alive and well! Please don’t cut him from show! You have a lovely mug, don’t get me wrong, I just know we would all miss arm flailing man if he were to be cut from the show!
Keep up the amazing work! I always know I’m in for a treat when I see your new videos pop up!
I found your channel through the Industrial Disk Module video you just posted, and I'm really digging through some of this Retro Mac stuff you're doing. Repurposing old tech, seeing what runs Linux, and trying to tinker to get the most out of old or slow tech is what first got me into IT and computer stuff, so this scratches an old itch. Keep up the cool content!
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel ❤️
I love the shirt. Tommy Boy was a great movie.
Like I said in a previous video, Adélie's LiveCDs aren't really that, but GUI environments to run the installer. You can't run of of those LiveCDs and get a reliable preview of using Adélie
“It’s not going to work from the start, but there’s a trick!”
-every Linux distro I’ve ever tried
Not really a mac fan but my first computer was my aunt's old Mac plus ! Really love your channel and surprised to see their oldies macs are more upgradable than I thought !!! Keep up the good work buddy !
Man I'd really like to see it running on a top of the line G5.
I'd not like to see the power bill at the end of the month after using a G5 😅
@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 They only draw 230 W at full blast for the whole machine, there's CPUs that exceed that.
If I can recall correctly, if you threw in a slightly more modern AGP AMD Radeon card in the PowerMac with the pins taped over, you might be able to hit a Linux desktop (but not be able to see stuff like OpenFirmware/BootPicker) due to there being no Mac ROM. A reason why someone might would wanna do this is because even slightly newer AMD video cards have better support than NVIDIA ones on the open source driver. You could even possibly try one of those adapters to run a PCIE card on an old PCI slot (and they should work with GPUS from at least one video I saw).
Love the new 2021 format! Also congrats on 30k subs!
I was worried that the hand and arm movements would stop with the new setup, thankfully he still talks with his hands 👆🏻👏
Never! Face AND arms now!
@@ActionRetro
Gabe Newells Steam deck will fit right in your hand.
Best get my MDD working again with a new GPU and see what Adelie can do for me! Got a couple of iBook G4s too which hopefully will run Adele well enough for testing!
Thanks so much for putting this video together! From one ppc fan to another :)
Another great video. Interesting to see what didn't work as well as the outcome on the MDD G4. Pity we didn't get to see it on the G5 iMac though :-)
Love your videos. I wish I still had my G4s and G3s arround.
On older computers xfce is a good desktop choice. Small fast light.
Plasma and lxde are good choices too. KDE plasma actually takes less Ram than xfce
Love your new studio 👍🙂
It's nice to see your face, pleased to meet you!
The Algorithm hasn’t floated any of your videos up to me in a while and I gotta say I was wondering who this dude was until I heard your voice. It’s pretty surprising (but nice!) to actually see you fully in front of the camera now.
Hey, this was a great video. Keep it up man. You're making me want to get old tech back and working. There is something to be said about keeping older hardware running.
@ActionRetro you should consider featuring T2 SDE, they have ISOs for almost every CPU architecture, even stuff for SGI Indy, playstation 3, intel itanium, risc v. The developer streams on youtube sometimes, his name is Rene and he's pretty interesting to listen to. He has a soft spot for vintage hardware, and I love it! Always fixing stuff they pulled from the linux kernel for no reason
That intro with the tux impersonator was awesome ngl
wow you looked much different in my head! But I gotta say, I already like seeing an actual person.
The intro is pure meme material 👌
Nice video as always, been subbed to you since your first encounter with the cursed Mac SE
I'd love to see you attempt running the MDD with a GPU not flashed for Mac to see if it'd work in Adelie.
It Will. Linux doesn't care about the video cards bios and will work using its own drivers. You just won't see anything until X starts and the non Mac card initialize. I used to have a agp Mac and ran it with debian
Super impressive, the only macs I ever want, Running Linux, ESPECIALLY a powerPC one.
Obligatory nitpick: “su” is short for “set user,” not “superuser.” It just happens to default to root.
My first experience with Linux was in 2004. My dad took me to this amish town, and inside one of the stores was a copy of Red Hat of all things. I installed it on my families retired Compaq PC with a K6-2 processor...and my general experience was "HOW DO I DO ANYTHING ON THIS PC!? WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO BUILD SOFTWARE? WHY DID THEY NOT INCLUDE THE SYSTEM PASSWORD????" I'm sure your average 14 year old tech nerd not suffering from severe ADHD would have figured it out, but I had no patience.
Then I tried Xubuntu 2 years later, and that experience was 100x better, because the resources available for it were much clearer to understand,
I know this is quite an old video now, but I wanted to say I also love Linux. I've been using Linux for a while now, (only using Windows 11 right now for better performance in some games until I get a better computer). Can't wait to go back to Arch! I always like seeing people using Linux because it really is a great piece of software.
Thank GOD you stopped shaking your hands in from of the camera. I haven't been able to watch your videos for so long and then this popped up and I figured...ok let's see if I can overcome the hands for a good linux video. Yes!!!!! Great video, great quality and information. Thank you so so much. EDIT: oh
I remember using Yellow Dog Linux on my PS3 back in the day. 256MB of RAM, oh the memories.
I loved Yellow Dog Linux, had it running on a eMac. Missed both of them.
It's your face! There is a new set! You are going places!!!
The G4 Macs.... ALL OF THEM.... were simply beautiful machines. Still are, imho. There are days when i wish modern PC case manufacturers would put out similarly-designed cases that mimic Apple's G4 Mac line-up......... but with consideration for modern cooling airflow needs..... and optional RGB, of course.
Beat video I’ve seen on PowerPC Linux in a long time.
Gotta get some more G5’s to test 64 bit on! Could also breathe some new life into PowerPC Xserves!
I'll have to give this a shot on my Sawtooth (AGP) G4. I had a 1.2 GHz processor upgrade and 1.5 GB RAM in it...I just have to remember where it is, lol.
Awesome. My G5 is running it really well.
Nice work, perhaps Adelie team might offer LXQt or Xfce as alternate desktop alongside KDE (xfce has a mac like dock). Also the Rage 128 was dropped from Mesa open source GPU drivers, the code is archived so someone would have to dig that out and incorporate it into the distro.
I believe they also have CDs set up for LXQt and MATE. I generally use Xfce myself but maybe I should also try other DEs.
Yellow Dog was always my favorite distro.
Totally awesome :) Long live PPC ;)
2022 is the year of Linux on the desktop
In my experience, the MDD can boot USB devices from the boot picker
Cool Video!
The MDD G4 is missing in my collection, but I have the white/blue G3!
Still using ElCapitan on an Hackintosh I wanted some Linux advice!
What Linux Distribution would be the best option to switch for an old Mac user, who cant´t take the new Mac-Crapp-store world, but wants to keep the familiar mouse cursor feel and touch?
Win10 GUI is so bad, it keeps me dying using it.
Him: “We are barely using either processor”
Processor 2: “And I took that personally”
I want to bring my old iMac G4 back to life. I think I know where to start.
Last I checked you could still get Gentoo in reasonably modern distros for PPC. It's not generally available in LiveCD-style installers though; you have to go through lots of terminal stuff, in some cases compiling the OS and apps as you go. You could download and cross-compile for PPC (or any other supported arch) on an Intel machine, which I thought was funny. I don't recommend it unless you're really comfortable with the terminal though.
I tried downloading Gentoo on my iMac G5 and I was pretty damn close to finishing but I couldn't get it to boot so I gave up
This sounds like Linux.
I love it ! Who needs wifi anyway?
Great stuff, thanx! Keep a good work!!!!!
Love the t-shirt!
I have a 1TB SSD coming for my PC soon, so I'll put what's currently in it .25TB in the PPC MDD and install Adelie.
6:11 MJD moment (what always happens in michael mjd vids)
Great shirt!!!
I used to run Yellow Dog Linux on my old G3 and G4... was pretty fun to play with.
You could probably boot xwindow in framebuffer mode on those older machines (like through vga or svga compatibility). It'll be awfully slow, but it will likely work
You deserve more subscribers
I use kubuntu linux as my main os on my mac mini from late 2012 and it works so well I love the plasma on it.
0:04 linux
It is so smooth wow!
Long life at powerpc!
Adelie needs access to LibreOffice, GIMP, etc. - the more standard apps in Linux. In one of your videos you state that early G3 Blue and White Macs have video cards that are not supported by Adelie. But you said there is a work-around. I am looking forward to that video! I tried installing OpenBSD with Blackbox desktop and the MacBox add-on. That makes it look a lot like the Mac OS. I assume that would use less RAM than Adelie. However, I was WAY over my head. I can type CLI, but only when somebody guides me as to what to type step-by-step, line-by-line. That would be another good video.
Love the shirt!
gonna try this on my dual core 2.5 ghz late 2005 G5 :)
Wait, Adelie still offers 'only' Adelie 1.0 rc2 for PPC, is there a hidden way to get more updated builds?
Been having a bear of a time getting Void Linux PPC booted on either of my Powerbooks, so any chance to try random Linux on them is a go from me!
You know I really like your face better than just the wildly gesticulating hands.
Ayy! This is exactly what I asked for!
You have an awesome face and I could definitely do with seeing more of it. You also have impeccable taste in quality auto parts 👌
I'm excited!
hehe awesome shirt man!
PowerPC for the nostalgia and because some of the PPC hardware is still just usable, but keep anot eye on transitioning to RISC-V
Yo Action Retro I love PPC Macs aswell love these vids
Some of MY first Linux experiences were, for better or for worse, on PPC macs!
Digging the Tommy Boy t-shirt! 😃
Closest I got is a 68k Apple: Quadra 800 with A/ UX 3 installed. At some point I want to get MK Linux setup on a old PowerPC Mac.
I have an old Macbook from 2008 and i run Lubuntu on it but browsing the web is a pain in the butt.
I wouldn't get so excited about compiling Firefox on a dual 2GHz machine, given that Firefox takes so long to compile that Linus Tech Tips compiles it as a benchmark when reviewing high end CPUs.
Personally, I would much rather setup a crossarch build setup in a current computer, and a VM like QEMU to test the builds on first. Once it seems like things are working, THEN you drop the builds into a native PowerPC and see what happens.
Yellow Dog Linux on an CRT iMac you say? :D That was also my first Linux experience! Taught me a ton about computing. :) I still have my old G5 tower sitting in a closet. I should give this a try.
My jaw dropped wondering "How?" so I'm going to get it for my iMac G5. I would love to see how this or one of the other desktop varients would run on the Beige beast! if it is possible?
Download in progress... will throw it at my maxed Ali PB g4
AC; you need to brush up on Gentoo Linux; they still have a build process for 32-bit PPC. (and 64b if you have any of those old machines)
A computer isn't obsolete unless it doesn't do what you need it to do and there isn't anything on it you couldn't do on something newer. My G4 isn't obsolete for me because it's still powerful enough to do everything I need in a laptop, and I suspect that's true for 80% of people -- and 100% of Chromebook users.
Chromebooks are surprisingly powerful, I'm sure faster than the average Core 2 Duo. Given the G4 is _slightly_ older I doubt it would keep up for modern web browsing.
Having said that, a G4 could still do 90% of what people use their computers for.
@@eDoc2020 I've logged into Github from my iBook G4 and it's running Leopard, probably the worst OS to use for web browsing. If you had an MDD FW800 with dual 1.6 7457s, an X800 XT, a 64-bit PCI SATA controller, and a better optimized OS, I'm certain it could absolutely close the gap -- besides Spotify, but that's not a limitation of the hardware, that's just the DRM not supporting the Power Mac.
I will keep reposting this comment until RUclips stops deleting it.
Man, I remember long ago putting Yellow Dog Linux on a G3 as well.
If you don’t know how to use CMD the command window he’s using don’t bother messing up your machine do research then do it because you can run into errors if your not that technical. Cheers great product will definitely give t an install on my 2006 MACBook .
I miss YellowDog. Good stuff. Also, windowmaker is best DE for mac linux. And it looks like Adélie doesn't do windowmaker :(
I was running Void on my PowerBook when the 32-bit BE port was dropped. It might be checking getting Adelie soon, hm.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Amusingly specifically Adélie is not GNU/Linux, it uses a BSD-derived userland and musl libc.
Purist! This is just as annoying as Stallman's antics. (True, nevertheless.)
Oh yes!
Sean, I think you need to get ahold of a 1.25 GHz eMac… it may be a heavy beast but there are no video walkthrough on getting modern Linux such as Adelie or Debian Ports Sid fully working with external EDID.
Hello from Ukraine, man!)
That’s very interesting content, thnks)
Also have Power Book g4 17 2004
There are versions of Linux you could get everything working on with the older machines. You would just need to be a little more "hands on" with installing and compiling things rather than just a click click install type of setup. Also you would be better off using something other than Plasma. KDE is my favorite desktop environment. I use it as a daily driver for nearly 20 years. It is so beautiful when customized and that is the beauty of KDE. How insanely customizable it is. But it also is quite heavy. For a while about 5 years ago KDE had done a ton of work to lighten the load and optimize and it was really light for a while. Booting into a beautiful compositing desktop at around 600 megs. But now it has begun to bloat up again and is pushing 900meg. But even at 600meg that's most if not all the memory in one of those old machines. At least it's not as bloated as that pig Gnome needing over 1.2gig just to get a usable desktop. I would recommend using a window manager only setup and a completely customized selection of software where you can pick and choose the lightest and most optimized applications. It may be a lot of work but if you want to seriously make these old machines usable again it would be worth the effort to learn. If you don't want to take the time to learn a tiling window manager there are some really nice and lightweight floating window managers also. Something like openbox.