‼️PLEASE READ‼️ Apparently I may have not had my Bigscreen Beyond not setup correctly which may have affected tracking. That could be a factor too 🤔 I just realised one of the scores were doubled up 😭😭😭 Here's all the actual results for those curious imgur.com/a/eijh4r7 I really wanted to play Beat Saber on EVERY actual headset but it became way too hard! My poor Valve Index is broken but figured the Bigscreen Beyond would have similar results (if not better). What's your favorite headset for Beat Saber?
Naysy it’s ok. But I do have a tip for quest 3! There is one mod that allows you when you record a video to make it look like a pc! It’s called replay! It does take a few adjustments tho! But when you’re recording it looks exactly like a pc! If you’re going to use it as your daily driver, you should consider this option! The MR is a bit better with this option. From my testing it does seem to work perfect. You can get all pc graphics! And MR avatar is possible too! Okay that’s it! 🤣
I got a Software-Update for my Quest 3 -Controllers lately and its really horrible now. You can see(!) the sabers disappearing ... and even "hard" is unplayable! Hope they fix this very soon - I miss BeatSaber!!!!
I love how sometimes in beat saber, the harder you consciously try, the worse you actually do😂 then when you let go and let the subconscious take over, you dominate without even thinking about it!
There are definitely many factors and it’s for sure personalized. When I switched from Q1 to Q2 with different grips, my scores went up. I again changed out my lighting and room setup. Scores went up ever more. I would love to try pro controllers tho to see what happens. This was a great experiment and very scientific. Thanks!
Oh, I'm pretty sure they'll go up. They've eliminated a lot of those misses that I swear I hit. They especially cleaned up the left slices out to the far left for me. Those were really consistently failing to register, but now they're connecting every time.
Comparing and contrasting virtual reality headsets on a game that I am familiar with is super helpful to me - I am trying to get several friends into VR. Thank you very much.
You are the only person to have gone to innovative heights to test the tracking on the headsets. I wasn't even aware pro controllers work with Q3 and Q2. This is such an informative video. Subbed.
- They're not the only one, so that's an untrue statement - The second sentence on the Pro Controllers' product page literally says they're compatible, and so many RUclipsrs have said as much since they launched. - Ultimately, nothing was actually learned, and no conclusions were made - and they didn't even test everything in working order, and they didn't control for a bunch of things. Not resting properly between each session is a huge fail, for example. This video was terrible science, nothing was learned, and no new information was communicated. I'm glad I watched it at 2.5x speed, and skipped a lot of the fluff.
as someone currently playing in beatsaber world cup, most of it comes down to controller grip, and tracking. gip obviously changes how well the player can swing, how fast etc, but most controllers have a relatively comfortable grip once you compensate with saber settings. then there is tracking. for tracking, the most accurate is index/ steam vr tracking. that does not necessarily mean it is the best in all cases though. since the tracking is so accurate on the index, the headset does not overcompesate on the swing angle, which means you need to swing much wider and much more controller than lets say the quest 1. once accounting for the heavier controllers, it makes sense why you did the worst with the valve knuckles as it takes a lot more stamina and force than other headsets. then there are headsets like the quest one and pro (at least on release) which both had extremely inaccurate tracking compared to steamvr. this inaccurate tracking actually means that the swings overcompensate a lot and you can add an extra 30%-50% on your swing angle (on faster maps). this makes these headsets better for speed maps and challenge maps. however this also means you will probably have a hard time with accuracy since the sabers arent quite going in the same spot as your hand. in my experience the rift s and quest 2 have similar levels of compensation (quest 2 at 120hz) that is high enough to let players play fast maps without having their arms die within the first minute, while still being consistent enough to be able to compensate for the slight inaccuracies. in conclusion: it really depends. if you are super confident about your strength and stamina, go for the index or anything that can use the valve knuckles. if you don't think you will make it to super high level, but still want to pass fast maps then go for the quest one, quest pro or quest 2(80hz). if you want to get the best all around but only for beatsaber, then go for the original oculus rift, I don't know why but its the highest quality tracking oculus headset but it still has controllers much lighter than the knuckles and with many more options for grips with better centre of balances.
I've been looking around the internet but I didn't find a clear answer but maybe you know: I am playing with the Rift S that I rarely see mentionned anymore, is the tracking rate just lower than the other more modern options? When the slicing patterns start really accelerating around the 6.5/7 notes per second I feel like the tracking just isn't fast enough and I can see the saber refreshrate just moving my wrist up and down in lobbies or in maps, is this normal lol
@@SwainixFPV yes, I played on the rift s for a while and since it only has an 8hz refresh rate, it does also only track at 80hz compared to other headsets reaching 90,120,144 etc.. but I can say that it is still more accurate than the guest 2 or 3 since they have a bit more input delay because of usb compression. Whether thats good or bad is up to you since you do get more precise swings on rift s at the trade off of the wider swing angles on quest 2, plus the overall somewhat jittery-ish look that you get on the rift s. One more way to improve the unaccurate looking swings is to also just have smoother swings like someone like electrostats for example, though that takes a long while and by the time I learned that I had already moved on from my rift s.
@@mathslap Do you mean 8Hz refresh rate for the controllers or was it a typo and you meant 80Hz just like the screen refresh rate? If it was 8Hz it would make a lot of sense, but then surely getting new controllers to work with the headset would make a huge improvement
@@SwainixFPV sorry, was a typo. its the same refresh rate as the headset display hz which is why higher refresh headseats seem to have smoother tracking.
Banana. Thank you! I’ve been playing Beat Saber on Quest 3 for about a month and frustrated at tracking losses of the Quest 3 controllers. I’ve tried different lighting, different ways of holding the controllers, and tried various “fixes”. I finally ordered Quest Pro controllers that are being delivered tomorrow. I’m glad to hear how much you like the Pro controllers and feel both that I’ve made the right choice and frustration that I’m having to spend $250 in addition to the cost of the Quest 3 to get a system where I can play Beat Saber and get reliable tracking.
Ok, i’m hopefully attending a augmented reality meet up at the end of the week and went to do a little extra research and I found this video helpful. So here you are: banana.
Been using the PSVR2 to get back into Beat Saber the last few weeks. I wanted to test a custom song on the Quest 2 randomly and holy heck did it make me realise how poor the PSVR2 was. It felt like I was suddenly playing twice as good, and it was just so much more comfortable and natural.
I was surprised with my scores when I got my Quest 3. I was playing on the Quest version at first and got new high scores. Thinking that was just because it was better then the Q2, I tried it with the Q3 on the Steam version using Virtual Desktop. I would have figured there would be extra latency, but again I got some new high scores. My conclusion was that the lighter controllers had a lot to do with it. Glad you may have had the same thought. Loved the comparison, I've been curious how it would shake out. Thanks
I really wanted to like VD but for some reason it makes beat saber unplayable on my quest 3. My pc is good enough to run beat saber just fine, wired in yields best results but the battery dies so quickly connected to my pc. So I'd use air link and plug it into the wall but it had noticeable latency issues. Then I bought VD to see if that would help and by far that was the worst performance. I've played around with the settings, looked up videos and guides, etc but I couldn't get it to work right. I kept trying for the first two weeks the quest 3 was out and gave up on VD after that
@@lolno98 You can buy powered link cables. You can plug those to both your PC and your wall. Then your Quest discharges a lot slower or even not at all
@@lolno98 You are probably overlooking the most important factor that has nothing to do with your PC and headset which is your network setup. It's critical that you have a good router and cable connection from PC to your router to achieve a good quality wireless connection. Most ISP routers just dont cut it. VD discord has a list of good routers. Wifi is very prone to any interference, besides good router you also need to configure it to use a clean channel. That said, even on best setup you will still have 20-40ms latency on Quest and it's just inherent to Quest PCVR. If you have trouble identifying the bottlenecks use the VD overlay that will show during the game which part of your setup causes issues. For me VD runs much worse than AirLink. but it seems to vary from person to person.
@@lolno98 Link cable is ideal for beat saber, Air Link is just slightly behind. VD is fine for most games but there's slightly higher latency than Air Link which while fine for most games, makes a difference in beat saber.
Great video! Seriously good stuff, I've been waiting on a video like this since the q3 dropped, And I think you did a great job comparing the headsets and trying to keep it level and even. My Quest 3 comes today, any minute cannot wait to try it out! It'll be my daily driver for at least some time.
There's so many factors... stamina, controller settings, tracking optimization, not to mention if you repeatedly do one song, it stands to reason you would improve slightly and then plateau... like I wouldn't be surprised if you just used the same setup for all your takes and came out with similar results. Personally, my ranking in terms of tracker quality for Beat Saber from best to worst: 1. Rift/Rift S - With dedicated sensors for its controllers, it has the most stability and least wobble. The controller itself is lighter than the quest 2/3 not to mention the most well-built. 2. Touch (Quest 2) - very stable, but still has some wobble when compared to the Rift. 3. Quest Pro - decent tracking, but camera based tracking means it has a higher chance of flying off during heated sessions, not to mention it actually occasionally overheats and stops working (literally a notification pops up that says "your controllers are too warm, let them rest for a bit"). 4. Touch Plus (Quest 3) - maybe updates will fix this, but I'm guessing due to the lack of rings like the Q2 controllers, the tracking quality is far less precise. Routinely jumps several inches in random directions, which is terrible for BS. Quest 3 also doesn't have top-facing cameras like the Q2. 5. Knuckles - haven't seriously tested this one yet but lighthouse tracked means it does have good tracking, it's just... heavy and not balanced well, and requires a whole different set of grip settings.
and here I am cutting the cubes in oculus rift, man this video made me realize its more than 10 years old at this point... and it has sensors you need to setup....
This ain't how you make a test. For testing something the variables needs to be independent of eachother, which they clearly aren't, since your going from headset to headset and other stuff can mess with the results like how tired you are or even that you can become a bit better for playing the song more.
How about a Quest 2/3 with SteamVR wireless streaming? I don't notice any lag myself, but it must be there. Surely it should be quantifiable in Beat Saber on such a high difficulty?
I found the tracking in the Quest 3 to be substandard, but after watching your results, maybe it's the difference in the feel and grip of the controllers that is throwing me off. Thx, caused me to re-evaluate.
it might be the refresh rate difference form the bigscreen who is locked at 90hz and the meta standalones at 120hz that make the score down a bit on the bigscreen rather than the meta standalones
Welp..I'm rewriting my christmas list... thank you for this video!! Here I thought I needed a pro..but now I think I just need the flippin controllers! Darn it! Banana!!!
nice video, ironically ive found the psvr 1 move controllers to be the best feel for beat saber, ignoring the basic tracking (but thats about all they were good for)
Absolutely agree - can't understand it either. I love the sense controllers, and enjoy playing beat saber with them, but it feels a little more exhausting than using the much heavier move controllers. The quest 2 controllers were easy enough to use, but I always felt like they were going to fly out of my hands. Maybe it's because they're the controllers that are closest to ligthsaber hilts ;-)
Thanks for this comparison! I was on the fence as to whether or not the Quest Pro controllers would actually be worth picking up for my Quest 3, but I think I might just save my $300 for something else instead...maybe a banana! :D
The controllers are more important for this than the headset in isolation, any headset with good responsiveness and clarity will work fine, the controllers on the other hand, weight, form factor and tracking are so important. I've been a lighthouse tracking guy for a while, but recently got the Quest 3 and have been surprised by how good the tracking is, wouldn't say it's as good as lighthouse, but it's far closer than I expected and the controllers are just so much lighter and easier to move without fatigue, so I'll take a 1-2% reduction in tracking for 80% increase in mobility.
I've only ever had a PSVR 1 and a PSVR 2 and I completely agree with you. The controllers on the PSVR 2 make it much harder to play well, even compared to PSVR 1, which I loved playing on since the controllers were the most like actual Saber hilts.
banana!! but in all seriousness, this video helped me confirm that i do want to buy the quest 3 (along with your other video where you tried th quest 3 out) more than i thought i do.
Banana! Surprising results in the data but I definitely think the conclusion of controller weight makes sense. I'm still northside of I want to upgrade to the bigscreen and lose out on 144hz, but I definitely want that screen.
I think the fact that the Quest 3 is still competitive against its newer sibling is pretty banana. Er, bananas. ;) Much as I’d like to add a Steam VR setup to my kit, I’m still pretty happy with my Quest 2. I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade unless there is a major shift, or I suffer a hardware failure.
I know its really old now but i would be curious to see how the tracking on the Original Oculus Rift CV1 with touch controller compared to all these newer headsets.
@@sansus6922 Yeah, that is what i use at home. I bought extra sensor and a kinect V2 for FBT as well. So i felt like it is still superior to the options shown in this vid since nothing i have tried feels just as good honestly . . . But i wanted to see it in this comparison lol
@@xSS4x as someone who used all kinds of different headsets and tracking methods, I would say the rift tracking is still the best. I could be biased, but i think the base station tracking for the index is just slightly worse. And when it comes to something like camera tracking which the Pico or Quest uses, its somewhat viable for beat saber, though only the quest one. With an insane lead when it comes to worst tracking is the psvr, it feels like your wrists are made out of rubber and cement at the same time, the controllers are literally all over the place with the slightest fast movement. tl;dr: If you use the rift, you are doing everything right
playing beat saber for hours and hours on end.. for science! very interesting results though. So far Quest3 is better for me because the controllers are so much lighter than Q2 which makes a huge difference, it's almost effortless now.
I just wanna say Naysy that your videos are seriously hilarious, incredibly clever, and well-done. I'm not sure if you make these videos on your own, but the effort put into them really shows, and I think I enjoy watching your content more than any other VR channel. Keep the great content coming!
Thank you for this! I’ve been beating my q2 scores with the q3. I still think I need to perfect my controller settings. All in all, it’s a great headset!
Hey Naysy how about some bloopers that you have posted in the past and also do a clip on how to set up for safety to avoid getting hurt or damaging your home. Sorry to be off topic.
Mad theory - what if PC version of the beatsaber has different settings or slight code changes compared to quest's standalone, that leads to different scores
Hello ! I just discovered your channel and wondered if you had a video that would guide anyone that wants to buy a vr headset depending on its prefered way to play or platform (like standalone vr or vr tgrough steam, and if through steam, what's the best option for windows, for linux and maybe for mac, dunno if they support vr through steam on mac). Great rythm tho in the video pacing and overall your channel seems pretty great when we want to dive into VR. +1 sub.
@@Naysy Oh I was just being curious ! Plus I know nothing about VR news but maybe new hardware may be announced later this year, maybe waiting towards the end of the year is indeed a better idea. I was just wondering if you had videos were the platforms or the prefered way to play, I'll chevk others year videos then (as I think I understood you make those kind of videos towards christmas so you already did some) and maybe I could get some interesting infos already !
The reason you scored better on the quest headsets is because of swing bug, where the headset predicts position between frames. This means higher scores. The swing bug is more powerful on low refresh rate headsets. This means you’d probably do even better on the quest 1
Nice and interesting comparison. I still thinking inside out tracking has so many benefits to not needing dedicated playspace, that I'm glad it seems to be improving with the Quest 3. Bananananananana
IMHO, for it to be a truly level playing field the Quests should all have been on PCVR via Link cable. That'd mitigate any "extra forgivingness" baked into the standalone version of Beat Saber.
I just got the pro controllers for my quest 2, and it was immediately obvious they were so much better for beat saber than the regular controllers. Now when I miss, I know it was my fault. There were so many times with the standard controllers where I swear I sliced that block and it just wouldn't give it to me.
As usual, very interesting and informative video! Thanks @Naysy ! Oh, and if I may ask, I've seen your necklace in a couple videos and I'm just curious: what molecule does it represent? Any story behind it?
Hey Naysy, have you changed your in game controller settings for any one these? If not, the default settings for the knuckles are terrible and could explain why you consistently score lower using the bigscreen beyond. The default angle the saber is aligned to the controller is very different in the knuckles vs quest controllers, so quest could have an unexpected advantage 🤔
Weight is a big factor, maily in the faster maps. The energy you must spend to stop the directions you are cutting and reverse it grows exponetially with the speed and weight. So the ligher the controller the better. So if everything else was the same, the index controller would be the worst to play beat saber.
i got the quest 2 and the pro controllers but im better with quest 2 controllers idk why but i really thank u so much for helping people how i got mods on beat saber was beacuse of you keep doing content ur great
Controller weight is probably the big factor here… migrating from psvr1 stick-like controller to heavier psvr2 gun-like controller made a LOT difference on arm fatigue ! Light stick-like controller is definitely the way to go for fast action cutting action ! Also, i would compare serie average and not peak. And it is very probable that the game make it more forgiving for some platform..,
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Apparently I may have not had my Bigscreen Beyond not setup correctly which may have affected tracking. That could be a factor too 🤔
I just realised one of the scores were doubled up 😭😭😭 Here's all the actual results for those curious imgur.com/a/eijh4r7
I really wanted to play Beat Saber on EVERY actual headset but it became way too hard! My poor Valve Index is broken but figured the Bigscreen Beyond would have similar results (if not better).
What's your favorite headset for Beat Saber?
Naysy it’s ok. But I do have a tip for quest 3! There is one mod that allows you when you record a video to make it look like a pc! It’s called replay! It does take a few adjustments tho! But when you’re recording it looks exactly like a pc! If you’re going to use it as your daily driver, you should consider this option! The MR is a bit better with this option. From my testing it does seem to work perfect. You can get all pc graphics! And MR avatar is possible too! Okay that’s it! 🤣
Banana. Oh, and damn you are adorable. 😍
i tried vp2,g2,quest2,3, and vive, and index..
index top them all..
i have psvr2 but never bought beatsaber for it😂
Poor index 😢. I personally couldn't go back to my quest after using my index for 3 months now. Hopefully mine doesn't meet the same fate as yours.
I got a Software-Update for my Quest 3 -Controllers lately and its really horrible now. You can see(!) the sabers disappearing ... and even "hard" is unplayable! Hope they fix this very soon - I miss BeatSaber!!!!
I love how sometimes in beat saber, the harder you consciously try, the worse you actually do😂 then when you let go and let the subconscious take over, you dominate without even thinking about it!
This dont happen only on Beat Saber
Or not play for ages and absolutely smash it on the first play - never to repeat.
Fr! I passed maps just by contemplating my life choices and they’re the best scores I had so far 😂
frr i noticed that too
@@CarlosTheMano no brain all aim 🤣
Would be cool (but also hard) to do a similar test but between Native Quest vs Link cable vs Air link vs Virtual Desktop!
This
As an engineer, i approve this is a successful experiment and she is a certified VR scientist
There are definitely many factors and it’s for sure personalized. When I switched from Q1 to Q2 with different grips, my scores went up. I again changed out my lighting and room setup. Scores went up ever more. I would love to try pro controllers tho to see what happens. This was a great experiment and very scientific. Thanks!
Oh, I'm pretty sure they'll go up. They've eliminated a lot of those misses that I swear I hit. They especially cleaned up the left slices out to the far left for me. Those were really consistently failing to register, but now they're connecting every time.
BRO YOU FORGOT PICO 4
BrO yOu ForGOt pIcO 4 like shut it gtag kid who abuses pico preds
And the quest one and the psvr
And valve index
And the Virtual Boy
Comparing and contrasting virtual reality headsets on a game that I am familiar with is super helpful to me - I am trying to get several friends into VR. Thank you very much.
Every VR headset, should be showing every VR headset. Or atleast also the famous ones. :( Rift S, CV1, Index, Pico and maybe some HTC's.
For me I find best personal performance on PSVR 2, but I also have nearly a thousand hours of beat Saber on Quest 2, and got a quest 3 yesterday
Nice video! meta used beat saber to calibrate their controllers, it's not surprising that it scores really well.
You put in a lot of work in this video. Thanks for helping me with my next purchase. You're the best.
This is an extremely helpful video as we're frustrated with one of our headsets BUT MOREOVER OMG YOUR DRESS at 1:20 is SO forkin cute.
It’s bananas that the thumbnail wasn’t you in the lab coat and glasses.
You are the only person to have gone to innovative heights to test the tracking on the headsets. I wasn't even aware pro controllers work with Q3 and Q2. This is such an informative video. Subbed.
- They're not the only one, so that's an untrue statement
- The second sentence on the Pro Controllers' product page literally says they're compatible, and so many RUclipsrs have said as much since they launched.
- Ultimately, nothing was actually learned, and no conclusions were made - and they didn't even test everything in working order, and they didn't control for a bunch of things. Not resting properly between each session is a huge fail, for example.
This video was terrible science, nothing was learned, and no new information was communicated. I'm glad I watched it at 2.5x speed, and skipped a lot of the fluff.
@@ReclaimerTyphoonHoly shit bro please get laid
as someone currently playing in beatsaber world cup, most of it comes down to controller grip, and tracking. gip obviously changes how well the player can swing, how fast etc, but most controllers have a relatively comfortable grip once you compensate with saber settings. then there is tracking. for tracking, the most accurate is index/ steam vr tracking. that does not necessarily mean it is the best in all cases though. since the tracking is so accurate on the index, the headset does not overcompesate on the swing angle, which means you need to swing much wider and much more controller than lets say the quest 1. once accounting for the heavier controllers, it makes sense why you did the worst with the valve knuckles as it takes a lot more stamina and force than other headsets. then there are headsets like the quest one and pro (at least on release) which both had extremely inaccurate tracking compared to steamvr. this inaccurate tracking actually means that the swings overcompensate a lot and you can add an extra 30%-50% on your swing angle (on faster maps). this makes these headsets better for speed maps and challenge maps. however this also means you will probably have a hard time with accuracy since the sabers arent quite going in the same spot as your hand. in my experience the rift s and quest 2 have similar levels of compensation (quest 2 at 120hz) that is high enough to let players play fast maps without having their arms die within the first minute, while still being consistent enough to be able to compensate for the slight inaccuracies.
in conclusion: it really depends.
if you are super confident about your strength and stamina, go for the index or anything that can use the valve knuckles. if you don't think you will make it to super high level, but still want to pass fast maps then go for the quest one, quest pro or quest 2(80hz). if you want to get the best all around but only for beatsaber, then go for the original oculus rift, I don't know why but its the highest quality tracking oculus headset but it still has controllers much lighter than the knuckles and with many more options for grips with better centre of balances.
I've been looking around the internet but I didn't find a clear answer but maybe you know: I am playing with the Rift S that I rarely see mentionned anymore, is the tracking rate just lower than the other more modern options? When the slicing patterns start really accelerating around the 6.5/7 notes per second I feel like the tracking just isn't fast enough and I can see the saber refreshrate just moving my wrist up and down in lobbies or in maps, is this normal lol
@@SwainixFPV yes, I played on the rift s for a while and since it only has an 8hz refresh rate, it does also only track at 80hz compared to other headsets reaching 90,120,144 etc.. but I can say that it is still more accurate than the guest 2 or 3 since they have a bit more input delay because of usb compression. Whether thats good or bad is up to you since you do get more precise swings on rift s at the trade off of the wider swing angles on quest 2, plus the overall somewhat jittery-ish look that you get on the rift s.
One more way to improve the unaccurate looking swings is to also just have smoother swings like someone like electrostats for example, though that takes a long while and by the time I learned that I had already moved on from my rift s.
@@mathslap Do you mean 8Hz refresh rate for the controllers or was it a typo and you meant 80Hz just like the screen refresh rate? If it was 8Hz it would make a lot of sense, but then surely getting new controllers to work with the headset would make a huge improvement
@@SwainixFPV sorry, was a typo. its the same refresh rate as the headset display hz which is why higher refresh headseats seem to have smoother tracking.
I currently use the vive focus vision and absolutely love it for beat saber! It works amazing in pcvr mode and standalone mode!
Banana. Thank you! I’ve been playing Beat Saber on Quest 3 for about a month and frustrated at tracking losses of the Quest 3 controllers. I’ve tried different lighting, different ways of holding the controllers, and tried various “fixes”. I finally ordered Quest Pro controllers that are being delivered tomorrow. I’m glad to hear how much you like the Pro controllers and feel both that I’ve made the right choice and frustration that I’m having to spend $250 in addition to the cost of the Quest 3 to get a system where I can play Beat Saber and get reliable tracking.
I've had no issues. What level are you playing at?
Ok, i’m hopefully attending a augmented reality meet up at the end of the week and went to do a little extra research and I found this video helpful.
So here you are: banana.
Been using the PSVR2 to get back into Beat Saber the last few weeks. I wanted to test a custom song on the Quest 2 randomly and holy heck did it make me realise how poor the PSVR2 was. It felt like I was suddenly playing twice as good, and it was just so much more comfortable and natural.
I was surprised with my scores when I got my Quest 3. I was playing on the Quest version at first and got new high scores. Thinking that was just because it was better then the Q2, I tried it with the Q3 on the Steam version using Virtual Desktop. I would have figured there would be extra latency, but again I got some new high scores. My conclusion was that the lighter controllers had a lot to do with it. Glad you may have had the same thought. Loved the comparison, I've been curious how it would shake out. Thanks
I really wanted to like VD but for some reason it makes beat saber unplayable on my quest 3. My pc is good enough to run beat saber just fine, wired in yields best results but the battery dies so quickly connected to my pc. So I'd use air link and plug it into the wall but it had noticeable latency issues. Then I bought VD to see if that would help and by far that was the worst performance. I've played around with the settings, looked up videos and guides, etc but I couldn't get it to work right. I kept trying for the first two weeks the quest 3 was out and gave up on VD after that
@@lolno98 You can buy powered link cables. You can plug those to both your PC and your wall. Then your Quest discharges a lot slower or even not at all
@@lolno98 You are probably overlooking the most important factor that has nothing to do with your PC and headset which is your network setup. It's critical that you have a good router and cable connection from PC to your router to achieve a good quality wireless connection. Most ISP routers just dont cut it. VD discord has a list of good routers. Wifi is very prone to any interference, besides good router you also need to configure it to use a clean channel.
That said, even on best setup you will still have 20-40ms latency on Quest and it's just inherent to Quest PCVR. If you have trouble identifying the bottlenecks use the VD overlay that will show during the game which part of your setup causes issues.
For me VD runs much worse than AirLink. but it seems to vary from person to person.
@@lolno98 Link cable is ideal for beat saber, Air Link is just slightly behind. VD is fine for most games but there's slightly higher latency than Air Link which while fine for most games, makes a difference in beat saber.
You have a Kelly O vibe and I love it. I wish I could watch her talk about data 😂
Thank you, been waiting for this!
Great video! Seriously good stuff, I've been waiting on a video like this since the q3 dropped, And I think you did a great job comparing the headsets and trying to keep it level and even.
My Quest 3 comes today, any minute cannot wait to try it out! It'll be my daily driver for at least some time.
There's so many factors... stamina, controller settings, tracking optimization, not to mention if you repeatedly do one song, it stands to reason you would improve slightly and then plateau... like I wouldn't be surprised if you just used the same setup for all your takes and came out with similar results.
Personally, my ranking in terms of tracker quality for Beat Saber from best to worst:
1. Rift/Rift S - With dedicated sensors for its controllers, it has the most stability and least wobble. The controller itself is lighter than the quest 2/3 not to mention the most well-built.
2. Touch (Quest 2) - very stable, but still has some wobble when compared to the Rift.
3. Quest Pro - decent tracking, but camera based tracking means it has a higher chance of flying off during heated sessions, not to mention it actually occasionally overheats and stops working (literally a notification pops up that says "your controllers are too warm, let them rest for a bit").
4. Touch Plus (Quest 3) - maybe updates will fix this, but I'm guessing due to the lack of rings like the Q2 controllers, the tracking quality is far less precise. Routinely jumps several inches in random directions, which is terrible for BS. Quest 3 also doesn't have top-facing cameras like the Q2.
5. Knuckles - haven't seriously tested this one yet but lighthouse tracked means it does have good tracking, it's just... heavy and not balanced well, and requires a whole different set of grip settings.
Still love beat saber on ps4vr. It feels like your holding swords. Also on quest2 i notice frame drops all the time
and here I am cutting the cubes in oculus rift, man this video made me realize its more than 10 years old at this point... and it has sensors you need to setup....
this is the most important video on youtube
This ain't how you make a test. For testing something the variables needs to be independent of eachother, which they clearly aren't, since your going from headset to headset and other stuff can mess with the results like how tired you are or even that you can become a bit better for playing the song more.
I guess it’s content but nothing useful about these results.
@@TheUser808 It's very useful. Just because it doesn't meet the standards of a PhD thesis that doesn't mean it's useless.
@@oliver-nation4377 doesn’t have to be scientific.
Thanks for the very informative video! I love the Mysthbusters Science style! Thanks Naysy! BANANA all day lol
How about a Quest 2/3 with SteamVR wireless streaming? I don't notice any lag myself, but it must be there. Surely it should be quantifiable in Beat Saber on such a high difficulty?
2024, still playing Beat Saber on my PS-VR-1
I really like this video, love the new style 😃
You’re insane at beat saber this should be the topic of the video lmao
I found the tracking in the Quest 3 to be substandard, but after watching your results, maybe it's the difference in the feel and grip of the controllers that is throwing me off. Thx, caused me to re-evaluate.
id be curious to see how you'd do with the 1st gen psvr haha
Yeah same, probably not that bad
it might be the refresh rate difference form the bigscreen who is locked at 90hz and the meta standalones at 120hz that make the score down a bit on the bigscreen rather than the meta standalones
this is what we needed thanks
Where is the pico 4?
Pico 4 does not have beat saber
@@Forgaming415 you can install it on pico4
@@Forgaming415W
In the garbage bin
Welp..I'm rewriting my christmas list... thank you for this video!! Here I thought I needed a pro..but now I think I just need the flippin controllers! Darn it! Banana!!!
nice video, ironically ive found the psvr 1 move controllers to be the best feel for beat saber, ignoring the basic tracking (but thats about all they were good for)
Absolutely agree - can't understand it either. I love the sense controllers, and enjoy playing beat saber with them, but it feels a little more exhausting than using the much heavier move controllers. The quest 2 controllers were easy enough to use, but I always felt like they were going to fly out of my hands. Maybe it's because they're the controllers that are closest to ligthsaber hilts ;-)
S-tier content yet again Professor Naysy!!! 🙌💙
At least I now have an excuse for my PS VR2 Beat Saber scores 😅
The only science I need to know is coke and Mentos
Beautiful and smart! A great combination.
Thanks for this comparison! I was on the fence as to whether or not the Quest Pro controllers would actually be worth picking up for my Quest 3, but I think I might just save my $300 for something else instead...maybe a banana! :D
what? the video made me want them even more! :D
I have a Quest Pro, and the controllers are good, but I like the none rechargeable ones more. save your money.
How well would you do with the psvr1?
Doesnt support
@@dugsssaojwvejyes it does
Banana! You got me wanting to test the pro controller on quest 3 now
The controllers are more important for this than the headset in isolation, any headset with good responsiveness and clarity will work fine, the controllers on the other hand, weight, form factor and tracking are so important. I've been a lighthouse tracking guy for a while, but recently got the Quest 3 and have been surprised by how good the tracking is, wouldn't say it's as good as lighthouse, but it's far closer than I expected and the controllers are just so much lighter and easier to move without fatigue, so I'll take a 1-2% reduction in tracking for 80% increase in mobility.
I've only ever had a PSVR 1 and a PSVR 2 and I completely agree with you. The controllers on the PSVR 2 make it much harder to play well, even compared to PSVR 1, which I loved playing on since the controllers were the most like actual Saber hilts.
Fr, the PSVR1 controllers look like light saber handles 😂😂😂
Maybe your controller offsets with your Index controllers need to be tweaked.
banana!! but in all seriousness, this video helped me confirm that i do want to buy the quest 3 (along with your other video where you tried th quest 3 out) more than i thought i do.
Banana! Surprising results in the data but I definitely think the conclusion of controller weight makes sense. I'm still northside of I want to upgrade to the bigscreen and lose out on 144hz, but I definitely want that screen.
wow, I think I have the same issue with the pro controllers and the quest3,, just thought I was just really bad a beatsaber. will repair and try again
So, pretty much, my quest 3 works great for beat saber. noted.
Actually science > trash tier list. Great work!
I think the fact that the Quest 3 is still competitive against its newer sibling is pretty banana. Er, bananas. ;) Much as I’d like to add a Steam VR setup to my kit, I’m still pretty happy with my Quest 2. I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade unless there is a major shift, or I suffer a hardware failure.
Great! Now I gotta get Quest pro controllers for my Quest 2! 😮🤔💵
I know its really old now but i would be curious to see how the tracking on the Original Oculus Rift CV1 with touch controller compared to all these newer headsets.
I can say with absolute confidence, its better. period
The original Rift is the best Headset for Beat Saber
@@sansus6922 Yeah, that is what i use at home. I bought extra sensor and a kinect V2 for FBT as well.
So i felt like it is still superior to the options shown in this vid since nothing i have tried feels just as good honestly . . .
But i wanted to see it in this comparison lol
@@xSS4x as someone who used all kinds of different headsets and tracking methods, I would say the rift tracking is still the best. I could be biased, but i think the base station tracking for the index is just slightly worse. And when it comes to something like camera tracking which the Pico or Quest uses, its somewhat viable for beat saber, though only the quest one. With an insane lead when it comes to worst tracking is the psvr, it feels like your wrists are made out of rubber and cement at the same time, the controllers are literally all over the place with the slightest fast movement.
tl;dr: If you use the rift, you are doing everything right
@@sansus6922 i totally agree with the PSVR being the worst, i tried playing BS on it at a friends house before and it was horrible.
Banana. Great video! Thank you for your awesome content!
playing beat saber for hours and hours on end.. for science! very interesting results though. So far Quest3 is better for me because the controllers are so much lighter than Q2 which makes a huge difference, it's almost effortless now.
I just wanna say Naysy that your videos are seriously hilarious, incredibly clever, and well-done. I'm not sure if you make these videos on your own, but the effort put into them really shows, and I think I enjoy watching your content more than any other VR channel. Keep the great content coming!
Thank you for this! I’ve been beating my q2 scores with the q3. I still think I need to perfect my controller settings. All in all, it’s a great headset!
Hey Naysy how about some bloopers that you have posted in the past and also do a clip on how to set up for safety to avoid getting hurt or damaging your home. Sorry to be off topic.
Mad theory - what if PC version of the beatsaber has different settings or slight code changes compared to quest's standalone, that leads to different scores
Hello ! I just discovered your channel and wondered if you had a video that would guide anyone that wants to buy a vr headset depending on its prefered way to play or platform (like standalone vr or vr tgrough steam, and if through steam, what's the best option for windows, for linux and maybe for mac, dunno if they support vr through steam on mac).
Great rythm tho in the video pacing and overall your channel seems pretty great when we want to dive into VR.
+1 sub.
I’ll try work on one. I usually make those videos a bit closer to Christmas time
@@Naysy Oh I was just being curious ! Plus I know nothing about VR news but maybe new hardware may be announced later this year, maybe waiting towards the end of the year is indeed a better idea. I was just wondering if you had videos were the platforms or the prefered way to play, I'll chevk others year videos then (as I think I understood you make those kind of videos towards christmas so you already did some) and maybe I could get some interesting infos already !
did you set them all to the same refresh rate ? or did you run the beyond at it's max of 90 Hz and the different Quests at 120 Hz ?
Nice conspiracy hat there, once you're done with it you could probably use it to bake banana bread.
Good idea
The reason you scored better on the quest headsets is because of swing bug, where the headset predicts position between frames. This means higher scores. The swing bug is more powerful on low refresh rate headsets. This means you’d probably do even better on the quest 1
Nice and interesting comparison. I still thinking inside out tracking has so many benefits to not needing dedicated playspace, that I'm glad it seems to be improving with the Quest 3. Bananananananana
Smart glasses review coming up? :)
Thank you Scientist Naysy 🫡
BANANA
Thnx for the thourogh testing, good to know that the tracking is pretty damn good on trhe quest 3 with the right lighting :D
Banana! Loved the vid!
No rift?
Please do a comparison between Pico 4 Ultra and Quest 3
Great, really . Love your science. 😂
BANANA Awesome content as usual! Also, love X8. Very fun and games are fast and polished.
I run a Quest 3 (with Quest 3 controllers). So far this constellation has not given me any trouble :)
IMHO, for it to be a truly level playing field the Quests should all have been on PCVR via Link cable. That'd mitigate any "extra forgivingness" baked into the standalone version of Beat Saber.
I just got the pro controllers for my quest 2, and it was immediately obvious they were so much better for beat saber than the regular controllers. Now when I miss, I know it was my fault. There were so many times with the standard controllers where I swear I sliced that block and it just wouldn't give it to me.
The garsh setup
Banana. Like your method of comparing them. More practice than theory. Could use a rough comparison in an ambiental game, too.
As usual, very interesting and informative video! Thanks @Naysy !
Oh, and if I may ask, I've seen your necklace in a couple videos and I'm just curious: what molecule does it represent? Any story behind it?
It’s caffeine 😊
@@Naysy oh that's awesome!
Hey Naysy, have you changed your in game controller settings for any one these? If not, the default settings for the knuckles are terrible and could explain why you consistently score lower using the bigscreen beyond. The default angle the saber is aligned to the controller is very different in the knuckles vs quest controllers, so quest could have an unexpected advantage 🤔
I’ve never been able to find any offsets I like.😭 But I should try and experiment with it a bit more.
Weight is a big factor, maily in the faster maps. The energy you must spend to stop the directions you are cutting and reverse it grows exponetially with the speed and weight. So the ligher the controller the better. So if everything else was the same, the index controller would be the worst to play beat saber.
Came for the science, stayed for the blanaba.
Banana 🍌
I would love to get some of those Quest Pro Controllers. Ooooohh wee
Bana nananana!!
I love your videos
Where is Valve Index?
Broken
but what's the best for modding
i got the quest 2 and the pro controllers but im better with quest 2 controllers idk why but i really thank u so much for helping people how i got mods on beat saber was beacuse of you keep doing content ur great
No cv1 test? I believe that may still be better. As long as you have your sensors and room set up well. The controllers are still my favourite.
Its because latency on standalone headsets like Quest 3 is lower. Plus the Quest 3 Controllers are lighter and smaller.
Haha Beta I have quest one still. It may crash or just not work sometimes but it's been with me for years!
Valve index is S tier. Change my mind.
Isn't the score system different from Beat Saber Steam Version VS Beat Saber Meta version? I remember I saw something like that
If its about controller weight... Etee's? Lighter than index controllers, still uses lighthouse tracking
Banana 🍌
I love your videos. Very helpful. Thanks
Not a single Pico headset? Great video, but had really hoped to see at least 1 Pico headset on here.
It’s bananas bananas😂😂😂
Controller weight is probably the big factor here… migrating from psvr1 stick-like controller to heavier psvr2 gun-like controller made a LOT difference on arm fatigue !
Light stick-like controller is definitely the way to go for fast action cutting action !
Also, i would compare serie average and not peak.
And it is very probable that the game make it more forgiving for some platform..,